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Submitted by Terence Blackett

In the book of Isaiah 60: 6, 7 the prophet says:

“The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah: all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense: and they shall forth the praises of the Lord.. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance upon mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.”

To first of all understand these two verses, we must first be able to explain and understand what or who is Midian, Ephah, Sheba, Kedar and Nebaioth based on Biblical history.

In Genesis 25, we discover something very unique in the Word of God. Many well-meaning theologians, pastors and teachers ignore the Scriptures or simply are blind sided by prejudice as to what God is trying to say and show.

Most Christians today understand and are taught that Abraham had 2 lines of posterity. In actual fact, Abraham had 3 lines.

Let us start with Midian. As you read Gen. 25:1-2, the Bible says:

“Now Abraham married again, Keturah was his new wife and she bore him several children: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. And Jokshan had two sons Sheba and Dedan… The sons of Midian were Ephah and Epher…all these were the children of Keturah…”


It is important to note that Abraham’s [3] lines of descendants are pivotal to the plan of salvation, although heretical teachings to the contrary would have us believe that because Abraham bequeathed all that he had to Isaac the child of promise that it meant that Abraham’s seed (which according to Almighty God) would be like the sands upon the sea shore – we must conclude that the Abrahamic promised blessings also included all of his posterity.

What was distinctive about Isaac’s line or future genealogy would be that God choose this line to bring Messiah Yeshua into the world. However we must understand that this line would be interspersed and intermarried over the next 2000 years right up to the coming of Mary who was to be the one who would bear the Holy Child Jesus.

Abraham’s first wife Hagar bore him Ishmael; Sarah bore Isaac and Keturah bore him Midian. These lines are crucial to our understanding of Bible prophecy and how God is working out the plan of salvation through Abraham’s seed –  heirs of a promise made by God to all those who believe – whether Jew or Gentile, rich or poor, bond or free…

So we have established that Abraham’s posterity based on Isaiah rendition of the sacred history shows that his [3] sons and grandsons from their respective mothers – we now come to Ishmael’s first born – Nebaioth and Kedar his brother.

We have been taught for most of our Christian lives of the line of Sarah from which Isaac came and the resulting historical record of the Jewish people. The ignorance of allowing the other [2] lines of Abraham to exist in virtual obscurity without paying the necessary attention to the part that they play in the prophetic scheme of things is the reason why God is now allowing the eyes of those who are seeking revelation, light and present truth from the Word of God to bring this knowledge to the forefront of the minds of men.

Jesus Christ cannot return to earth until there is unity amongst the children of Abraham based on the covenant God made with him. The fulfilment of that covenant extend to every man, woman and child of Abraham who will come into the promise by faith in Jesus Christ regardless of religious persuasion, race or creed.

In Isaiah 60: 7, the 2nd son of Ishmael – Kedar came first and then Nebaioth the firstborn came second according to word from the prophet. Why is this?

In a similar twist of fate, we see Isaac beget two sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn – but sells his birthright to his brother Jacob. So Jacob becomes first and Esau becomes second. Have you noticed the parallels? Is God doing something interesting here? Whether you or I want to believe it, He sure is doing something or is allowing something to teach us a poignant lesson.

Jesus reminds us that the “first shall be last – and the last shall be first”. What does this means? And how can we apply this within the context of our understanding of religious matters today in our world?

It is important to note that the [3] lines of Abraham actually became [2]. Sarah’s line through Isaac became the [12] tribes of Israel and the children of Hagar & Keturah became the people of the EAST as they dwelt together… This is a very important distinction!

Whenever God refers to the people of the EAST, He is earmarking the sons and daughters of Abraham – not a separate and distinct group (though in essence, they were) but as a nation of people who had not been relegated to the side lines or had been forgotten.

It is important to open up from the Word of God and show decisively and distinctly who the ARAB people are – the sons of Ishmael, Midian and the others.

This is probably going to be the most controversial exegetical exposition of divine Biblical revelation ever seen from the Word of God and there are some who will be offended by this Scriptural discourse as it belies their inherent prejudices concerning the Bible.

We know from the record that Israel was founded on the basis of its [12] tribes. Is there anywhere else in Scripture where God speaks of tribes of peoples?

In Gen: 25 verses 13 through 16, we see clearly from the record that there are also [12] princes (tribes) based on the peoples of the EAST. Is this some freak of nature or some fluke of history that Isaac has [2] sons and the first becomes last and the last becomes first? Ishmael has [2] sons – Nebaioth and Kedar; the first become last and the last becomes first. Jacob has [12] sons who become the [12] tribes of Israel and Ishmael’s [12] sons become the princes from which the [12] tribes of the EAST arise.

Is this coincidence or is God doing something? YOU DECIDE!

Many within the Christian world do not accept that God alone is the only purveyor of absolute truth. He alone has the right to speak to whomever he wants and in whatever way He so chooses.

False teachings have made us callous in our understand and have shut us into a vacuum of exclusivity where we believe that God can only speak to a specific kind of person while dismissing the others because of whatever reasons. We forget that Christ came to save all. So God will speak to the Chinese, the Indian, the Muslim, the Buddhist – whoever He wants to reach, He will extend a hand to lead and guide men into the truth.

In the story of Joseph, he was sold into Egypt by his brothers. His brothers wanted initially to kill him but they decided to sell him to the Ishmaelites. The Bible says that a band of Midianite traders came by and so they pulled him out the pit and sold him. Is the Bible creating some confusion here in this context?

From this historical frame, we can see clearly where both the children of Hagar and the children of Keturah were living together – as the traders in spices, silks and other forms of merchandize, they are the ones who took Joseph from his brothers in lieu of the fact that down in Egypt, they could fetch a handsome price for him because of his physical stature. Joseph was not ill-treated by his distant cousins but was so well-fed and watered that on arrival in Egypt, Potiphar took him into his house because of his physical beauty and stature.

In a similar story, Moses’ brethren were fighting amongst themselves and he intervened and was asked if he wanted to kill them the same way he had killed the Egyptian earlier.

There is a line that seems to run through Scripture where brother wants to kill brother. This started in Eden. Clearly Moses’ brothers hated him and wanted him killed. The Pharaoh loved Moses as his own son because he was the son of his daughter. But when the news reached the Pharaoh of what had happened Moses ran off into Midian because his brethren brought bad news (false witness/gossip) into the royal court.

So for the next 40 years Moses lived in the land of Midian. Jethro – the priest of Midian became Moses’ father in law.

Many religious writers and scholars wrote books on Jethro claiming that he was an idol worshipper. But the Bible does not say that, neither does it infer it. Actually, Moses learns about the “TRUE” God from his father-in-law Jethro. For while, the children of Israel had lost their spiritual identity after 400 years in Egypt and where no priesthood existed, Jethro was a priest on to God, worshipping Him according to what had be laid down in ages past by the Spirit that had spoken through Abraham and his posterity.

When the Israelites were without the knowledge of the One True God, the children of Midian (the people of the EAST) were keeping the Sabbaths, carrying out the functions of the priesthood and worshipping the One True God.

When the Bible speaks of Ishmael being a wild donkey, it is speaking of the freedoms which the peoples of the EAST enjoyed unlike the children of Israel who were in captivity for 400 years.

There is an interesting paradox in the Word of God where Jethro – the priest of Midian relates to Moses a story of a man called Job. Nowhere in the Bible is anyone person so clearly detailed as to their possessions in the way that Job was. It was almost an accounting ledger of his assets down to the last minutiae.

Job chapter 1 verse 1- 3 says that this man was perfect and upright before God and stayed away from evil. The Bible says that this man was the greatest of all the men of the EAST. Was Job an Israelite? Clearly the answer is a resounding – NO!

He was a descendant from the line of either Ishmael or of the sons of Keturah. The story of Job was a popular story amongst those who lived in the EAST. The wealth of Job plus his righteous acts was common knowledge amongst the [12] tribes of the EAST.

So God used Jethro in the 40 years Moses lived with him to bring him into a knowledge of who God was and it became preparation for his Burning Bush experience; the deliverance and salvation of the Israelite tribes and the experiences for another [40] years wandering around the wilderness in search of the land that God would ultimately bring them into.

This line we have been discussing regarding how the Israelite people always wanted to kill or killed their own brothers. From Joseph who became the saviour of the nation in a time of unbelievable famine, to Moses their deliverer who was kept, taught and sheltered by his brethren in the EAST, to all the prophets who were killed from Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah to John the Baptist.

Then came Jesus – The Son of Man, the son of Mary and they took him too and murdered Him on a cross because He claimed to be the Son of God.

When we look at the genesis of the Christian church in the Acts of the Apostles, we see on the day of Pentecost that the ARABS* were the ones who received the Word of God spoken by Peter and the Apostles. They heard about Jesus in their own languages (the Libyans, Ethiopians, Africans, the Persians were all there) and their heart were pricked as they accepted Him as Lord and Saviour. This was to be the beginning of the knowledge of Jesus Christ to the people of EAST because the Scriptures shows that even the Ethiopian eunuch who was Queen Candice’s treasurer took the Gospel of Jesus Christ back to his homeland anointed by the fires of the Holy Spirit. Can you imagine the unwritten history of these men and their exploits for God in their own nations?

When the Jews had rejected the message of Jesus – the Arab people and those from the East accepted with open arms the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In Matt: 2:1, the Bible says:

“Now Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, in the days of Herod the king, and behold there came wise men from the EAST to Jerusalem. Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the EAST and have come to worship Him.”

How ironic that wise men who were worshippers of the One True God and who had studied the sacred text and knew of the prophetic times were able to discern from their deep study of the stars that Jesus Christ had been born while the Jews were oblivious to the knowledge of His presence far less the time of His visitation.

Just as the children of the EAST were worshipping the One True God in the days of Israel’s captivity and they were in darkness to who Jehovah God really was – so it was at the birth of Christ that the men of EAST were the first to announce the Saviour’s coming and be the ones to come and offer worship, adoration and precious gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

So again, just as in Acts of the Apostles, where 3000 for whom were Arabs, Africans and others from the Eastern lands heard the Word gladly and received Jesus – so it is again with the Wise Men who travelled a great distance just to worship the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Jesus The Christ.

So 500 years before the coming of Jesus Christ, the prophet Isaiah in chapter 60 verse 6 prophesied that wise men will come on camels (not on donkeys, not in chariots); men from the lands of Midian (Jethro’s countrymen), Ephah and Sheba (The Eastern Lands) would come bearing gold and incense.

Many refuse to accept the Bible story. Many would rather accept the Christian story. We refuse to accept that the Christian story has been unadulterated by Greek mythology and Roman paganism. Christianity has been plagued by one-sided religious dogma which pits brother against brother. The Bible story is two-sided because it includes both sides of the coin.

Before Jesus Christ can return, the prophet says that “the flocks of Kedar must be gathered together to the Lord…the rams of Nebaioth (the sons of Ishmael – the Muslim nations) must minister to the Lord Jesus…they must come fully assured of salvation offering an offering of righteousness to the Lord…only then will the glory of the House of God be at its fullest..”

So the wealth – both physical and spiritually of the Muslim nations will be brought into the endtime church of Jesus Christ as a sign as did the Wise Men in His first Advent. Their ardour and ferverence in prayer will be magnified ten fold as they come into the knowledge of Christ and are baptized with the Latter Rain as the 3000 who were baptized with the Former Rain at Pentecost.

May we pray for the deliverance of all of the sons of Abraham…


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281 responses to “What Does The Bible Really Say About The Sons Of Abraham – And What Will It Take For This Dysfunctional Family To Become As One?”

  1. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Terence M. Blackett // June 8, 2010 at 7:25 PM

    @ GP Brother teacher – you continue to flex as if this is a gymnastics class or a nouvelle discipline in the HIGH JUMP*…It is neither my dear brother!!! A coin has two sides…

    I AM PUTTING THE BIBLICAL SIDE SIR

    We must be FREE* to show each side and let those who want to weigh in decide for themselves… AM I NOT FREE TOO SIR? I JUST ASKING YOU FOR SOME SCRIPTURES AND TEACHING SO THAT I CAN BE A TEACHER LIKE YOU OK . So raise the bar some more Sir. LOL


  2. I subscribe to the school of thought that says labeling humans is ignorant bollocks. In fact ‘they’ had to introduce a brand new box to tick on their ethnicity and religion group questionnaire forms because of me

    e.g.
    Q1. what is your ethnicity
    Q2. what is your religion

    ☞ prefer not to answer ✓

    People are People all over the whole world .
    Kid’s don’t know racism ✜ Adults teach them

    You can kiss me on my POO POO LA LA


  3. @ GP, Excellent, you got brother Terence bobbing and weaving, ducking all bout the place, so typical of SDA adherents, false, erroneous hermeneutics, he can’t even begin to seriously answer your potent, extremely relevant questions, hiding behind all of his intellectual nonsense, jumping all over the place, like a ‘butterfly’ in season! Shame on you Terence!

    The Seventh-day Adventist, have written the Nation of Israel entirely OUT of the Bible, God’s Word, re New Testament Biblical eschatology, which supports and confirms all that the OT Prophets said, re their restoration, as *Unconditionally* proclaimed by Almighty God; hence all of the vicious, diabolical diatribe that Terence writes about Israel. There is NO cogent, coherent, balance in anything that he says in this regard.

    I’ll be with you tomorrow morning GP, right now I’m hungry and tired, and we’ll let the Word of God, ‘rightly divided’ speak for itself, as IT exposes the unbiblical nonsense and folly of the SDA, et al, whose hermeneutics are DEAD wrong re Israel and the End Time scenario.

  4. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    TB

    I know that you dont like the concept of dispensations but how can one rightly divide the Word of Truth with out this particular “division”.

    It is the major reason you are at sea concerning the next dispensation..

    Here is a note to help those of your ilk Sir.

    A NOTE ON THE DISPENSATIONS

    First dispensation –
    Name: Innocence
    Duration: Creation to Fall of Adam and Eve
    Man’s Condition: Gen. 1:26-29, 32; 2:7,8,15,25
    God’s Requirements: Gen. 2:16-17
    Man’s Conduct: Gen. 3:6
    God’s Retribution: Gen. 2:17 3:6,8,10,16,19,23-24

    Second dispensation
    Name: Conscience
    Duration: The Fall to the flood
    Man’s Condition: Gen. 3:7-19
    God’s Requirements: Gen. 3:21, 4:4, 8:20 Heb. 11:4
    Man’s Conduct: Gen. 4:3,8. 4:17,22. 6:5,11-13
    God’s Retribution: Gen. 6:13,17. 7:4,10-12,17-24

    Third dispensation
    Name: Human Government
    Duration: Flood to Babel
    Man’s Conduct: Gen. 11:2-4
    God’s Retribution: Gen. 11:7-9

    Fourth Dispensation
    Name: Promise
    Duration: Abraham to the Law
    Man’s Condition: Gen. 12:1-3,7.d 13:14-17. 15:4,5,18. 17:6-8. 18:18. 22:15-18. 26:3. 28:13,14
    God’s Requirements: Gen. 17:9-13
    Man’s Conduct: Genesis 12 to Exodus 19God’s Retribution: Exodus 1-19

    Fifth Dispensation
    Name: Law
    Duration: Giving of the Law to Pentecost
    Man’s Condition: Ex. 2:23,25. 19:4
    God’s Requirements: Ex. 19:5-8. 20:1-17,22-26. 24:1-8,9. Deut. 6:16-25. 27:26
    Man’s Conduct: Ex. 32:1-4 II Kings 17:7-17 Math. 21:33-40 Acts 2:22,23. 7:51,52
    God’s Retribution: 2 Kings 17:1-6,18. 24:11-16. 25:1-21

    Sixth dispensation
    Name: Grace
    Duration: Pentecost to Second Coming
    Man’s Condition: Rom. 3:9-19,23 John 3:16,18. 5:24 Matt. 18:11
    God’s Requirements: John 1:12.d 3:16,18,36. 5:24. 6:29 Acts 16:31. 10:43 Rom. 4:5 10:9-10
    Man’s Conduct: Matt. 7:13,14 Luke 19:12-14,26,27. 18:8 John 3:19 I Tim. 4:1-3 I Tim. 3:1-5
    God’s Retribution: Matt. 24:37-41. 24:31-46 Luke 17:26-37 II Thes. 1:7,8. 2:3-11 Jude 14,15 Rev. 6:17 Rev. 4-19

    Seventh dispensation

    Name: Kingdom
    Duration: Second Coming to Great White Throne
    Man’s Condition: Is. 2:2-4 Amos 9:11-15 Micah 4:1-5 Micah 4:1-5 Acts 15:16-17 Rev. 20:1-6
    God’s Requirements: Ps. 72:5,9-11 Is. 26:9. 60:12 Jer. 23:5
    Man’s Conduct: Rev. 20:7-9 Is. 26:9-11
    God’s Retribution: Rev. 20:9

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    Georgie Porgie

    What is the Abrahamic Covenant?
    How does the Abrahamic Covenant relate to the Christian?

    According to Scofield, ” The Abrahamic as Covenant as formed (Gen.12:1-4) and confirmed (Gen.13: 14-17: 15:1-7, 18-21: 17: 7:1-8) is in three aspects:

    1) The promise of a great nation: “I will make of thee a great nation” (Gen.12:2). This had primary reference to Israel, the descendants of Jacob, to whom the everlasting possession of the land is promised (Gen.17:8), to whom the everlasting covenant is given (Gen.17:7), and to whom He said, “I will be their
    God” (Gen.17:8). Abraham was also promised that he would father other nations (cp. Gen. 17:6,20), principally fulfilled through Ishmael and Esau.

    2) Four personal promises are given to Abraham:

    (a) to be the father of numerous descendants ( Gen.17:1 6).
    (b) To receive personal blessing, “I will bless thee,” fulfilled in two ways: temporally (Gen.13:14-15,17; 15:18; 24:34-35); and spiritually (Gen.l5:6; Jn.8:56). (c)

    c) To receive personal honor, “and make thy name great” (Gen. 12:2), fulfilled in recognition by all who honor the Bible.

    And (d) to be the channel of blessing, “And thou shalt be a blessing” (Gen.12:2), fulfilled: in blessings to others through his seed, Israel, who became the instruments of divine revelation; through Abraham as an
    example of pious faith (Rom.4:1-22); and preeminently through Christ, Abraham’s Seed (Gal.3:16).
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    3) Promises to the Gentiles. (a) “I will bless them that bless thee” (Gen.12:3). Those who honor Abraham will be blessed. (b) “And curse him that curseth thee” (Gen.12:3). This was a warning literally fulfilled in the history of Israel’s persecutions.

    It has invariably fared ill with the people who have
    persecuted the Jew -well with those who have protected them. For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement.

    The future will still more remarkably prove this principle ( Dt 30:7; Isa.14:1-2; Joel 3:1-8; Mic 5:7-9; Hag 2:22; Zech 14:1-3; Mt 25:40,45.

    (c) “In thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed ( Gen 12:3).

    This is the great evangelic promise fulfilled in Abraham’s Seed, Christ, and in all the spiritual seed of
    Abraham, who like Abraham are justified by faith (Rom 4:3; Gal 3:6-9,16,29; cp Jn 8:56-58).

    It gives added revelation and confirmation of the promise of the Adamic covenant concerning the seed of the woman. (Gen.3:15) .

    The Abrahamic covenant reveals the sovereign purpose of God to fulfill through Abraham his
    program for Israel and to provide in Christ the Saviour for all who believe the ultimate fulfillment is made to rest upon the divine promises and the power of
    God rather upon human faithfulness.” P 20 21 C.I. Scofield , Scofield Reference Bible.

    God first predicted personal blessings for Abraham, then for others. “The blessing on him may be construed as involving an heir, spiritual enjoyment and
    material provision. His name would be glorified by being known as father of the faithful and the father of a new race of people. Abraham’s blessings to others
    would occur in his own day as he acted as preservative salt (e.g., rescuing the people of the plain, Gen 14; and Lot , Gen 19) and would extend to subsequent
    generations through Christ or other descendants.

    He was to be the father of “a great nation”. But the covenant went beyond his posterity to include ” all
    families of the earth.” That could be fulfilled only through the ministry of Christ and the Scriptures ( produced through his descendants).

    Further God announced that treatment of Abram’s descendants would be the basis for blessing or judging the nations ( v.3). Again and again this principle is
    operative in the prophets as they pronounce judgement on the nations surrounding Israel for the treatment of his chosen people.

    The requirements of Abram’s call and covenant were faith and obedience; faith to believe that God would do as He promised and obedience to the command to leave his home and kindred and go to a land of God’s chosing as evidence of his faith. He fully met the requirements (Heb 11:8)

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    Georgie Porgie

    The importance of the Abrahamic covenant

    In Genesis, chapter twelve, God tells Abram that he would make of him and his seed a great nation.

    In chapters fifteen and seventeen, we can read the full
    presentation of this covenant, which is full of promises to Abraham and his seed, promising an inheritance of many things, most notably an everlasting possession of land, abundant prosperity, and numerous posterity.

    If we are going to understand the rest of the Word of God, especially who Jesus Christ is, we must understand what this covenant is, and its significance.

    To study this issue in the Bible, however, we must acknowledge the unity of the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, we can see how that God, from the time of the curse in the Garden of Eden, promised that there would come a Saviour for His people (Gen 3:15). I

    In Genesis 12:3, this same promise is given to Abraham, couched in the terms, “In thee shall all families of the earth be blessed” (Gen. 12:3) This was the declaration that through the line of Abraham
    would come the Messiah, who we know was revealed in the New Testament (Gal. 3:8).

    This is confirmed, and the greater importance of this covenant shown, as we are told in Galatians 3:8, 16-18 that this covenant was more than just a promise… It was the gospel of Christ foretold.

    Contained within the account of Moses going before the Lord prior to the giving of the law, God mentions a previous covenant (Ex. 19:5). It reads, “Now,
    therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant…” To which covenant was God referring? We know that, since this was prior to the giving of
    the Siniatic Law, as well as the Mosaic ceremonial covenant (Deut. 29:1, it cannot be referring to any ‘Mosaic covenant”.

    In Exodus 2:23, in reference to the people of Israel being in bondage, we learn that “God heard their groaning, and remembered his covenant” Which covenant did God remember? Certainly not one
    that had not been made yet! This teaches that God did not make an entirely new covenant at Sinai, but, rather, that he remembered the previous covenant- that
    which was made with Abraham.

    Hebrews 4:2 confirms the fact that the words which
    were “preached” to the children of Israel were actually the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    In Exodus 6:2-8, God confirms that His working through Moses was in reference to the original gospel covenant. In fact, Galatians chapter three, in
    addressing whether the ceremonial Law (which was the Mosaic substitute of the initial Abrahamic covenant- Deut. 29:1) was superior to the Abrahamic covenant,
    reads, “Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made… And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which
    was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more
    of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise” (vv. 16-19).

    This clearly identifies the covenant as being before the giving of the Law, with the ceremonial law being added later because of transgression (Exodus 32:9-10; v.
    19).

    Therefore, the Old Testament is that covenant between God and Abraham and his seed, who we are told, in Galatians 3:16, is not the children of Israel
    after the flesh, but Christ alone.

    This promise made to Abraham was the same
    promise made to Eve, that Christ would destroy the authority of the devil, even though He would be bruised in the process.

    This understanding explains the nature of Old Testament salvation. Many teach that it was through the works of the ceremonial law, but the Bible clearly
    teaches otherwise.

    Galatians chapter three, specifically, gives the answer,
    showing that all, including Abraham, are not saved by works, but by faith. This applies today to Jews and Gentiles alike. Verse 11 teaches us that “no man is
    justified by the law”. Instead, we see that one was saved through the same means as in the New Testament.

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    Georgie Porgie

    Hebrews 11:1 tells us that “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it, the elders obtained a good report.” They
    obtained a good report (i.e. salvation) by faith. This must be so, because verse six tells us that “without faith it is impossible to please (God).”

    So we know that only through faith is one saved, and verse 13 tells us that the Old Testament saints died in faith… but faith in what? The answer to this question
    is found in verse 39, which shows that these people obtained a good report through faith, but even so, they received not the promise.

    This promise is what they had faith in, and it was that faith that brought them a good report- eternal life, the salvation of the soul. But what was the promise, and how does it apply to the Old Covenant?

    Galatians 3:16 teaches us that, “to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” The promise was given to Abraham and his seed, who is Christ Jesus.

    Acts 13:23 tells us that, “Of this man’s (David’s) seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour.” So, therefore, the promise referred
    to was that the Saviour would be raised to redeem to his people from their sins. It was faith in the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ, that brought a good report to
    the people.

    This applies to the Old Testament, in that the Abrahamic Covenant was a promise made to Jesus Christ, the seed of Abraham, that he would be made great, the father of many nations, and that in him would all nations of the earth be blessed, with curses falling upon those that cursed Him.

    This is why Galatians 3:8 called the ‘Abrahamic’ covenant ‘the gospel’. The true Old Testament/ Covenant was always a covenant of promise… for salvation through Jesus Christ to those of faith.

    The confusion come as a result of misunderstanding as to the substitued covenant, which was built upon inferior
    promises (Heb. 8:6) than those shown to Abraham and Moses, as well as any others of faith (Ex. 19:5,6; fulfilled in Christ always, 1 Peter 2:9).

    Old Testament salvation, therefore was the same as New Testament salvation… faith in Jesus Christ. The only difference is that the Old Testament saints died
    in faith before they were given the righteousness of Christ; the New Covenant saint receives this righteousness upon calling upon the name of the Lord.

    Therefore, The Old Testament was a Covenant of Promise… For The New.the Abrahamic Covenant has a threefold provision to the descendants of Abraham.
    God promised to Abraham (and to his physical posterity); Land, Seed (i.e. A great Nation), and that through his seed, there will be a BLESSING to all the
    nations of the world.

    Each of these three aspects of the Abrahamic Covenant are later amplified in the other three unconditional covenants. The Land promised in
    the context of the Abrahamic Covenant is amplified in the Palestinean Covenant.

    The “Seed” (i.e. great Nation) aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant is amplified in the Davidic Covenant, and lastly the “Blessing” aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant
    is amplified in the New Covenant.

    The phrase “I WILL” occurs seven times in the
    wording of the Abrahamic Covenant , twelve times in the Palestinian Covenant, seven in the Davidic Covenant , and seven times in the New Covenant. This
    clearly marks them as Unconditional Covenants, and therefore does not make their fulfillment conditional on human faithfulness.


  8. Isaac was the child of promise not his brothers, when the angel appeared to Abram and Sarah, it was to prophesy of their child of their union, not abram’s children of another union. Jesus got his royal lineage through Joseph his step father,(read Mathew, Joseph descended from David), showing God fully recognized the importance of adoption, which is seen from the beginning to the end of the bible. Christians do not discount Abraham’s other children but Isaac was God’s choice. the others still count but not for the purpose for which God had for Isaac. Jesus had other brothers and sisters too but only he was God’s chosen and for a special reason. it does not change the fact that the siblings all came from Mary, what is different is that Jesus was and still is God’s child of promise.


  9. @BU SME’s (Subject Matter Experts)

    I really hate y’all Know It All’s

    Tony Tuff – Mista Know It All

    Back To Back – Tony Tuff
    VOLCANO 1983

    Separate tags with commas.
    X Dancehall X Disco X DJ X Reggae Music


  10. @ ZOE & GP

    I am much more DIGNIFIED* than you give me credit for…

    Again I need to remind ZOE* that I am not easily moved or swayed by innuendo or unnecessary macabre gesticulations of a personal nature – i.e symptomoly of BAJAN* mentality and the ruminations of the “gutter” politics (religiously & otherwise) we see in our Houses of PARLIAMENT*, rumshops and place of angst and mayhem…

    It is the childish egotistical machinations we see being inspired by “pin-heads” like JACK BOWMAN* who challenges CHRIS HALSALL to a show-down at “HIGH-NOON” on the Garrison Savannah (reminiscent of the sociology of the (WILDWEST) ridiculously pushing this kindergarden type, bully-in-the-playground psyche…

    Jesus could have fought his adversaries with sticks and stones but chose to WIN* through LOVE*…

    What is glaringly dangerous are people who believe that because they hang [2] words together that they have poetic license to treat others less fortunate in any manner they choose and still claim the rite* to represent GOD*…

    How deceived are we???

    This is not a “show-down” at the OK Corral between you guys and I…

    This is not some facetious contestation to prove who has the biggest GONADS*…

    This is not an ARAB-jewery feud where nobody wins!!!

    If as individuals we understand (WITH ALL DUE RESPECT) what admiration and value for other people giftings entails – then our appreciation for eachother would be FREE* from what some called diatribe…

    I am a TRUE JEW* ( both anthropologically and spiritually) which give me the “right” to critique the historical traditions from my foreparents and I have emerged… We did not choose our parents or our geographical station in this life – neither did we choose all the battles we would find ourselves in…

    God is the ONE* responsible for that process – for there are “FORCES” outside our comprehension!!!

    If those who have been grafted in by CHRIST* take the position to advance, protect and prop up a posthumous edifice which no longer has relevance – then that’s on them…

    Good LUCK* to you guys!!!

    I know better and so does millions of others…

    The only ones who hold “MOST FAVORED NATION STATUS WITH GOD – ARE THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED THE LORD JESUS CHRIST”!!!

    If you guys want to argue needlessly – I am not the one who has decided that abovementioned position – IT IS CHRIST WHO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, not your humble servant!!!


  11. @ ZOE

    You keep using this “broken harp” of my position as a S.D.A follower without all the FACTS* in an almost sinister device to undermine my intellectual as well as spiritual creditability…

    But that’s fine my dear brother, I AM IN GREAT COMPANY!!!

    Maybe (and that’s a “BIG” if), the following privileged info which I am about to divulge from our University here in the UK should give you an idea of how hard we as S.D.A are working to (AT LEAST) to find some common ground with our MUSLIM* brothers who “seem” to have another form of belief…

    Here we go:

    1. Do you think Islam is a religion of the “Antichrist”?
    2. Is Islam a true revealed religion?
    3. Is Islam a monotheistic religion? And what does monotheism really mean? The belief in one God? But is Islam a monotheistic religion but non-saving?
    4. Is Islam not your concern?

    Many would argue that it is not their concern but something happen on September 11, 2001 that changed all that forever…

    Just as 9-11 changed the world forever – so did 7 / 7 in London; the bombings in Madrid, Spain and terrorists attacks in Lebanon, Kenya, Mumbai, Pakistan, Iraq and wherever Al Queda and its affiliates choose to strike in any part of the world…

    With all the images that are being fed to us by the news media, the question must be asked – what is Islam?

    The word “Islam” comes from the root word “Salem” which means surrender.

    The word in the Hebrew also means “peace”… So if Islam is a religion of peace and one who practices Islam is called a Muslim – one who has surrendered to the will of God – many would ask – where is the peace in Islam?

    But IN ALL HONESTY* the same question could be asked of Christianity and the history of its long and bloodied march over the last 2000 years.

    Many keep asking where can we find the love in Christianity – if Jesus is meant to be the EPITOME* of LOVE?

    When did Islam emerge?

    Some 600- 700 years after Christ Islam emerged as a dominant religion.

    Research reveal that 1 out of every 5 persons in the world TODAY* is a Muslim.

    In the UK, 1 out of every 30 persons is a Muslim.

    By the year 2050, 1 out every 2 persons born into the world will be Muslim…

    Interesting…

    The question is – how will God bridge the gap between Muslim & Christians?

    What is God’s plan of cooperation for the saving of mankind before the coming of Jesus Christ?

    Five Iranian religious scholars solicited an audience with Professors at Newbold College in the UK regarding the “Coming of Jesus Christ” because they wanted to have some specific questions answered…

    One pivotal question was – (based on the soon coming of Jesus Christ), how does this affect your hearts as Christians?

    The second question was equally poignant.

    With the knowledge that Jesus Christ is coming again and the world will go through a dramatic change – how does your community relations change?

    The third question asked was (and this was the “curve ball”) – how does your social and political standing in the society change given the soon coming of Jesus?

    These were serious questions and how do we answer those who recognize that as Seventh Day Adventists we have in our hands something far in excess of any nuclear bomb in terms of its impact on the world and what the coming of Jesus will mean to a world that is currently running on borrowed time…

    Just imagine for a moment – Iranian professors with a PhDs (and in some cases 2 & 3 ) some specializing in the “2nd Coming of Jesus Christ” wanting to discuss the finer points of eschatology and the writing and teaching of the S.D.A Church especially given what the servant of the Lord E.G. White had to say – given that there was no profound defense, far less offence of the truth as given by those esteemed gentlemen who sat in the round table discussion forum at Newbold College in the summer of 2008…

    Christians are not trained to talk to Muslims especially those who are extremely learned (no wonder we can’t reach Minister Farrakhan)…

    We either do not have the tools because of a lack of training or we are on the other extreme because we are conditioned to say judgmental things to them – reinterpreting Scripture out of its proper context…

    These Muslim professors concluded that if the 2nd coming of Jesus will bring about such changes in our world, then we must tell the whole world about it…

    Try to get some so-called Christian folks to evangelize far less proselytize!!!

    Here is a Muslim is admonishing S.D.A to go out and tell the whole world about the coming of Jesus Christ…(what an oxymoron – go figure)

    They suggested that the internet should be flooded with this information.

    But here was the clincher!!!

    They asked – how many websites on the internet do you think you’ll find on the 2nd coming of Jesus?

    Thousands possibly?

    No, they said…

    There’s ONLY ONE!!!

    Is the website Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Pentecostal, Adventist or any other of the 261 Christian religion?

    No they said!!!

    The only website on the internet is a MUSLIM* site dedicated to the coming of Jesus –

    http://www.jesuswillreturn.com

    Most Christian websites will have as part of their belief systems a small section on their site devoted to the 2nd coming to Jesus but this Muslim website in total is dedicated almost exclusively to the 2nd Coming of Jesus…

    This website shows [138] signs which will precede the coming of Jesus out of which a [120] have already been fulfilled.

    So why is proselytizing the coming of Christ left to a Muslim website when the message is one for Christians?

    A fair question…

    So how do we take “THE MESSAGE OF JESUS” to the Muslim and how do we bring an understanding of “THE MUSLIM AND THE QU’RAN” to the Christian so as to bridge this increasing massive divide?

    The answer is none less than the message JESUS gave –

    We must teach the Muslim to love Jesus as we are to teach the Christian to love the Muslim.

    In the Qu’ran chapter 3 vs. 36, 55 it says:

    “O Jesus, I will make those who follow you, **SUPERIOR** to all others who reject faith until the day of resurrection”…

    So what the Qu’ran is saying is that from the 1st century until the resurrection, no religion will be higher than the one who believes in Jesus…. (PLAIN & SIMPLE)…

    Most Muslims who are intellectually honest (and they are many) are truly children of God will have this longing for truth deep in their heart and will recognize from a deep study of the Qu’ran that no one is as worthy as Jesus – The Christ…

    To reach out to our Muslim brothers and sisters – for if we are led by the “Spirit of God” we will be able by way of discernment to know who is searching because they will possess kingdom attributes…

    We must meet them on a level playing field of trust and equality – not on some religious pretense which distinguishes us from them because of our so-called faith in Christ.

    We must see them as fellow believers who too are on a spiritual journey…

    As TRUE* Christians, there is clarity about our distinctions – but it is NOT* a deterrent but rather a cause for celebration and exploration as we seek to know the truth better and to live for JESUS!!!

    And so for almost 18 centuries, Christianity meandered from one degree of apostasy to another – now GOD* is raising up a Movement* of people (saints) with the truth for an end-time generation that would cater to Muslim*, Hindu*, Buddhist* and every other religious entity on the face of the earth – bring the love and CHRIST to lost world…

    SO MAYBE YOU BOYS COULD SINK YOUR TEETH IN THOSE CHOPS!!!

  12. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    • Ms anon
    You correctly opine that “Isaac was the child of promise not his brothers, when the angel appeared to Abram and Sarah, it was to prophesy of their child of their union, not abram’s children of another union.”

    However. You are incorrect that Jesus got his royal lineage through Joseph his step father,(read Mathew, Joseph descended from David), showing God fully recognized the importance of adoption, which is seen from the beginning to the end of the bible.

    Mary was also descended from David via another line . David had several sons eh?
    Note that in both Matt 1 and Luke 3 it is nowhere said that Joseph begat Jesus, or this would contradict the prediction of the prote evangelium in Genesis 3:15 or the promise of the virgin who would conceive in Isaiah 7:14 or the seminal truth presented by Paul on the Headship of Christ vs the Headship of Adam in Romans 5

  13. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Mr Blackett Sir,
    As a man who is supposed to be a PhD and a scholar and an author and a researcher and God knows not…………..including a man who has “raised the bar” by posting a stupid article on BU which you confess to have plagiarised from the internet….Greeting!

    One wonders why you rant in rokoid or rokesque fashion, Sir.

    YOU came with some junk on Isaiah 60, and it was debunked! Since then you have been running around in circles like a chicken whose neck has been cut off.

    You talk about dignity, and you a PhD and a scholar and an author and a researcher plagiarizing junk?

    I posted an extract from a essay I wrote ten years ago for the course DISPENSATIONS & COVENANTS which was part of my MDiv. Not only did I present my work but I presented the relevant references from Scripture.

    You a PhD and a scholar and an author and a researcher, and a man who has “raised the bar” brought plagiarized junk to BU. Now in your dignity you go off again on a tangent?

    How did innuendo or unnecessary macabre gesticulations of a personal nature, ruminations of the “gutter” politics we see in our Houses of PARLIAMENT*, rumshops and place of angst and mayhem… get into this discussion Oh most dignified “raiser of bars on BU?

    How is JACK BOWMAN vs CHRIS HALSALL at “HIGH-NOON” on the Garrison Savannah relevant to this discussion, Oh dignified scholar and “raiser of the bar”?

    It is true that Jesus could have fought his adversaries with sticks and stones but chose to WIN* through LOVE*. And here I lovingly presented part of my own work on DISPENSATIONS & COVENANTS, and you liken it to a “show-down” at the OK Corral?

    You say “ What is glaringly dangerous are people who believe that because they hang [2] words together that they have poetic license to treat others less fortunate in any manner they choose and still claim the rite* to represent GOD*…

    That is not very loving Oh dignified self confessed plagiariser!

    Are you telling us that Terrence Blackett is also glaringly dangerous when he hangs two words together? Is that not a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
    .
    TB ma boy I don’t have poetic license, but I have searched and studied the Scripture systematically and soundly so I can present what the Word really says. Ah lie?

    Why do you have your knickers all in a twist Sir. And certainly you are not less fortunate in any manner they choose and still claim the rite* to represent GOD*…

    We are not decieved Sir. But can you tell us how much more of the articles you gave presented on BU that was plagiarized?

    TB I am glad that you have converted from being a Muslim to being a TRUE JEW* ( both anthropologically and spiritually) , and accept that this gives you the right to critique the historical traditions from which you and your foreparents have emerged

    So do I as a person struggling Paul records in Romans 7 to live the Christian life also have the right to present the truths of the Scriptures as I, and many understand them?

    Are you saying that your junk should not be debunked?

    Can you bring a relevant references to support this statement below Sir

    “The only ones who hold “MOST FAVORED NATION STATUS WITH GOD – ARE THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED THE LORD JESUS CHRIST”!!!”

    Can you indeed “ raise the bar?”

  14. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    The following “chain” of scriptures will demonstrate the magnitude of the importance of the Abrahamic Covenant as seen in the thinking of the Jewish
    People over a period of two thousand years.

    The Abrahamic Covenant was confirmed
    to:

    (1) ISAAC, GENESIS 26:1-4
    (2) JACOB, GENESIS 28:12-14
    (3) MOSES, LEVITICUS 26:42-45, DEUTERONOMY 1:8, 6:10, 9:5
    (4) JOSHUA, JOSHUA 1:6
    (5) ISRAEL, BEFORE THE CAPTIVITY 11 KINGS 13:23
    (6) ISRAEL, AFTER THE CAPTIVITY 1CHRONICLES 16:13-16
    (7) KING DAVID, PSALM 105:1-11 It was still anticipated 2,000 years later by:
    (8) MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS, LUKE 1:46-55
    (9) ZECHARIAS, THE FATHER OF JOHN THE BAPTIST, LUKE 1:67-73

    The importance of the Abrahamic Covenant just cannot be emphaized enough.

    Failure to realize that this Covenant forms the blueprint for the rest of Divine Revelation will cause the Student of the Word of God to miss the “key” to the
    flow of the remainder of the Scripture narrative.

    According to George Peters the Abrahamic Covenant contained the formative principles, the nucleus of the Plan of Redemption; and that all future revelations is an unveiling, a developing, a preparation for the ultimate
    fulfilment of that covenant, and of the Kingdom incorporated in the predictions and promises relating to that covenant…”

    All prophecy must be understood in the light of the Covenants with Israel, or else it will lead to all types of
    fanciful, fanatical and subjective interpretations.

    .

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    As pointed out above the Abrahamic covenant was presented or reaffirmed many times.

    One of these is given in Genesis 15 where God cut the contract with himself as recvealed also in Hebrews 6:19 et secq

    Genesis 15 is account of the covenant meal which was part of the ritual of “cutting a contract” or berith in that day.

    God had previously promised Abraham a land that would forever belong to his posterity. And now God was promising it again. This time Abraham responded;

    “God said to Abram, “I am the LORD who led you out of Ur of Babylonia so that I could give you this land to own.” But Abram said, “Lord GOD, how can I be sure
    that I will own this land?” Genesis 15:7-8

    God told Abraham to gather five different animals, a cow, a goat, a she-goat, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.

    This all had to do with the solemn nature of the Covenant which God was about to establish with Abraham. In those ancient days, when two parties made a meaningful agreement about something, an animal was sacrificed, split open down the middle, and the two parties would walk hand in hand, up and down the path between the sacrificed animal.

    This covenant which God was about to make with
    Abraham had such far-reaching ramifications into the flow and development of human history, that five animals were called for (Five, throughout the Scripture
    is ALWAYS used to signify the number of Grace.)

    To further emphasize the unconditional nature of this covenant, and to demonstrate that the basis of the fulfillment of the promises was completely dependent on God alone, the Lord put Abram into a deep sleep. This way God arranged that He alone would pass through the carcasses of those slain sacrifices.

    Note the record: “As the sun was going down, Abram fell into a deep sleep. While he was asleep, a very terrible darkness came.” Geneses 15:12 And
    then comes the “strange” description of God which we spoke above.

    It is a description of “GOD” passing between the pieces of the sacrifices but what a strange description it is. Note it well; “After the sun went down, it was very
    dark. Suddenly a smoking firepot and a blazing torch passed between the halves of the dead animals.” Genesis 15:17

    “FIREPOT”, is from the Hebrew, “Tannur” and literally means “a baking oven”. “SMOKING”, comes from a word which is usually used figuratively to describe the
    vapor coming from the nostrils of enraged animals. It is therefore figuratively used when describing ANGER.

    The “smoking furnace” speaks of the Lord’s burning Anger, which was not, to any significant degree, expressed during His First Advent. Oh, but
    read those dreaded words which describe The Wrath of the Lamb at His second Advent. “And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
    revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, IN FLAMING FIRE taking VENGEANCE on
    them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Thessolians” 1:7,8

    Listen to John, as he provides us with a description of
    the Wrath of our Lord as He deals with His enemies in that time of awful Tribulation; “And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
    and every mountain and island w re moved out of their places.

    And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that forever sits on the throne, and FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB: FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?” Revelation 6:14-17.

    John goes on; “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with FIRE and BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT will ascend up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor
    night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever will receive the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11

    Those passages which speak of the Divine Wrath of the Lamb, at His second Advent certainly illustrate the “Smoking furnace”.

    But what about the “Flaming Lamp”? As the former metaphor spoke of the second Advent of Christ, so this “Flaming Lamp” metaphor describes our Lord in His FIRST Advent. The word “Lamp” is “Lappidh”, and means a “Torch”. It corresponds to the figure used by Christ Himself that He was “the Light of the
    World” “John 9:5.

    “People who believe in God’s Son are not judged guilty. Those who do not believe have already been judged guilty, because they have not believed in God’s one and only Son. They are judged by this fact: The Light has come into the world, but they did not want light. They wanted darkness, because they were doing evil things.” John 3:19-21.

    Therefore, the description of God as a burning LIGHT pictures Him coming to sinful man, as the LIGHT of the world, reaching out to the human family in Mercy.

    We wonder if two more seemingly contradictory images could be used to describe that One who passed through the slain pieces of those Sacrificial animals. BUT “RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THOSE SACRIFICES”, IS THE KEY.

    Those sacrificial animals, all of which pointed to different aspects of the sacrificial death of Christ was
    the only Divinely appointed place where those (seeming) conflicting attributes of God could CO-exist together.

    It was there they walked together, as though in
    fellowship, between that bloody path between the slain carcasses of those five sacrifices.. The “smoking furnace” which visualizes the perfect righteousness of
    God, and His expressed outrage against sin, in His Divine Wrath!

    The “burning lamp” speaks of the Mercy and the Truth of God expressed in His wondrous Grace. How could those attributes ever exist side by side and be satisfied! How could God’s perfect righteousness (which demands death to the erring sinner) and His
    Mercy CO-exist? How can God ever love the sinner, and truly hate sin

    This was THE “supposed” dilemma which Paul answered in Roman 3. If God ever forgave a sinner, then His righteousness would be compromised, His holiness would be diminished, for sin, before a HOLY God, must be punished, His holiness demands it.

    Listen to Paul’s words. “Whom God hath set forth (i.e. Jesus) to be a propitiation (literally, a Mercy Seat, where the covering of blood was sprinkled yearly) through faith in his blood, TO DECLARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS for the remission of sins that are past, (i.e. the O.T.) through the forbearance of
    God; TO DECLARE, I say, AT THIS TIME HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT HE MIGHT BE JUST,
    AND THE JUSTIFIER OF HIM WHICH BELIEVETH IN JESUS. (Romans 3:25b,26)

    It took something drastic for all those attributes to compliment each other, but God PLANNED a way. Nowhere, in all of Holy writ, is this more dramatically and beautifully illustrated than in the following words. “Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other. Psalm 85:10

    Just note some detailed observations on Psalm 85:10. “Mercy”- There are five Hebrew words which are translated “Mercy” in our English versions. This one is “chesed”, “That Mercy which is abundant, extraordinary, or UNCOMMON.”

    “MET” is one of eight Hebrew words translated “met” in our English versions. This word is “POGASH” which means, “…to meet, as one meets another on the road, AND IN A HOSTILE MANNER.” (cp. Genesis 32:17, Exodus 4:24, Proverbs 7:10-15, 11:12, 22:2,
    29:13)

    It was at Calvary, where all those OT sacrifices pointed, where Mercy and Truth “MET” (in a hostile way) together. “HOSTILE” because our SIN and His Holiness
    “MET” and the dear Lamb of God was slain in our behalf.

    For the first time in human history “Righteousness and Peace”, (two attributes of God which could never be simultaneously expressed to sinful man), KISSED each other.

    This is the Theological and Philosophical reason why God can indeed JUSTIFY a sinner, and still remain Just. Any other way would sully the reputation of God, and blemish His character.

    Thank God for the Illustration of the “Flaming Torch”, and the “Smoking Furnace”, two totally different descriptions of (what appears to us to be contradictory attributes of God in the Human experience).

    Those five slain animals pointed to Calvary, and so does the Spirit of the Lord throughout this age proclaim the wondrous message to all who will listen. “Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the World.”

    This explanation of Genesis 15 modified from Peters writings of a century or two ago clearly explains the relationship of the Abrahamic Covenant to all
    Christians.

  16. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Blackett, the “bar raiser” writes
    1 The question is – how will God bridge the gap between Muslim & Christians?

    MY QUESTION IS DOES GOD HAVE TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN MUSLIM AND CHRISTIANS?

    Kindly cite the references for this Sir?

    Surely the Bible teaches that the gap to be bridged is between the INDIVIDUAL AND GOD. Ah lie?

    2 What is God’s plan of cooperation for the saving of mankind before the coming of Jesus Christ?

    ANSWER GOD HAS ALREADY REVEALED HIS SALVATION PLAN FOR SAVING MANKIND IN HIS WORD starting at Genesis 3:15-19 with the prote eveangelium. WE DO NOT NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. DO WE?

    Blackett, the “bar raiser” writes

    These Muslim professors concluded that if the 2nd coming of Jesus will bring about such changes in our world, then we must tell the whole world about it… Try to get some so-called Christian folks to evangelize far less proselytize!!!

    CHRISTIAN FOLK HAVE BEEN EVANGELIZING FOR CENTURIES BLACKETT….. WHICH YOU KNOW PERFECTLY WELL!

    Re The only website on the internet is a MUSLIM* site dedicated to the coming of Jesus
    http://www.jesuswillreturn.com

    THIS IS A BIG LIE BLACKETT WHERE DID YOU PLAGIARIZE THAT FROM?

    FOR A START TRY RAPTURE READY SIR http://www.raptureready.com/

    Then there is Hal Lindsay and Jack Van Impe who every week relate current world events to Bible Prophesy

    Mr BLACKETT ARE YOU EVER ACCURATE ABOUT ANYTHING?
    DO YOU THINK THROUGH ANYTHING THOROUGHLY?
    ARE YOU INDEED CAPABLE?

    I have been hard on Rok here on BU but he NEVER claims to be a researcher or a scholar or an author or a bar raiser. He is genuinely who he is, BUT YOU ARE A LIAR AND AN IMPOSTOR AND A SELF CONFESSED PLAGIARISER, inter alia!

    Now come on friend RAISE THE BAR, man.


  17. @Terence, “I am much more DIGNIFIED than you give me credit for…”

    I’m sure you are, Terence, BUT, your dignity, STATUS, cachet, standing, etc, etc., most certainly does not exempt you from the *ignorance* you so willingly display in your harangue on the Jews and Israel, and this IS obviously so, from the Seventh-day-Adventist perspective that the ‘Church’ has replaced ‘Israel’ which you so aptly display on June 8, 2010, @5:34PM, “…and God had in mind the restoration of the humane race through Messiah and HIS* throne over into the Kingdom of God – THE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    I say this to you, Terence, in all seriousness and sincerity, that your eschatological position in dismissing ‘Israel’ as having been replaced by the ‘Church’ is a very dangerous position to assume, as you are for all intent and purpose, *cursing* Israel, away from its God-given right, to that Land, so emphatically annouced and proclaimed, time and time again, throughout the Old Testament, and assiduously reaffirmed by the Apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans.

    I will quote from “A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, The Millennial Kingdom” by Professor John F. Walvoord, Chancellor of Dallas Theological Seminary.

    This subject matter is an extremely deep and intense theological matter, terribly misunderstood by many, but, ably explained and presented by Walvoord.

    The following is just the Preface of this great book.

    “The Apostle Paul, in expressing the Biblical hope of resurrection, delivered the dramatic pronouncement: “If we have only hope in Christ, in this life we are of all men most pitiable.” (1Cor. 15:19). What is true of the hope of resurrection is true of Christian hope in general. Faith without hope is just as dead as faith without works. The study of prophecy embracing as it does the TOTALITY of God’s purpose and plan as revealed in the Scriptures is therefore neither trival nor unimportant, but the vital heart of ALL that is included in Christian faith. Though it is to be expected that the interpretation of prophecy should encounter difficulties, it is nevertheless the supreme goal of Biblical theology to determine what is the ordered and detailed program of future events prophesied in the Word of God.”

    “The interpretation of the prophetic Scriptures require certain essential presuppositions without which the study of prophecy becomes empty speculation. It must be assumed, first, that the Bible speakd with the same inspiration, accuracy, and authority in matters of prophecy as can be observed in its historical and theological sections. The study of prophecy is an impossibility for an intelligent liberal who denies the inspiration of the Bible for him there can be no certain prophetic Word. Though liberals have attempted to debate subjects relating to prophetic truth, their writings are usually only learned statements of unbelief and incredulity and reveal an essential agnosticism as far as revelation of the future is concerned.”

    “Even among those who accept the inspiration of the Bible and do not question its verbal accuracy, serious division has arisen on the proper method of interpreting prophecy. The question is whether prophecy should be interpreted literally or not. This issue was raised in the writings of early church fathers and was brought to a head in the third century in the Alexandrian school of theology, which attempted to give ALL Scripture an ALLEGORICAL or nonliteral meaning. Among the orhodox fahers Augustine countered the Alexandrian heresy by suggesting a two-fold principle of interpretation of Scripture, namely, a literal interpretation of Scripture as a whole, but a spiritual or nonliteral interpretation of prophetic Scripture. With this presupposition he was able to DENY a future millennium, and became the principle source of amillennialism as it is taught today.”

    “It is this literal interpretation of Scripture which is the CRUX of the whole argument between amillenarian who denies a future millennial reign of Christ, and the premillenarian who affirm it.”

    “There is a growing consciousness within the church that premillennialism IS more than a dispute on the twentieth chapter of Revelation and that instead it involves a system of interpretation of the ENTIRE Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation. The doctrine of a future millennium on earth affects the interpretation of the *Abrahamic covenant* with its promises to Israel of inheriting the LAND promised to Abraham their forefather. It is by careful distinction of the promises made to Abraham, the promises made to Abraham’s physical SEED, and the promises made to Abraham’s *spiritual* seed as contained in both the Old and New Testaments, that a full premillennial explanation is given to the Abrahamic covenant.”

    “Even more specific is its relation to premillennialism is God’s covenant with David in which Davis IS promised that his descendants would RULE over the house of Israel FOREVER. This covenant is reiterated several times in the Old Testament, and is specifically repeated to Mary in connection with the birth of Christ. If interpreted literally it leads inevitably to the doctrine of a future reign of Christ on earth to fulfill these promises.”

    “Premillennialism is also related to the literal fulfillment of the new covenant revealed in Jeremiah and Ezekiel. this covenant pictures a period in humane history when God would replace the Mosaic covenant with a new covenant which He would write upon their hearts. It would be fulfilled in the period when Israel would no longer need to teach every man his neighbour and proclaim the truth of Jehovah, for as the prophet wrote: “They shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah.” (Jer. 31:31). The promises to Abraham, the promises to David, the promises to Israel of future POSSESSION of the Land, and the promises to Jeremiah that Israel would CONTINUE as long as the sun and moon endure (Jer. 31:35-36) combine to provide a symphony of prophetic truth which IS the grand prelude to the millennial reign of Christ.”

    “To the Old Testament picture the New Testament adds its continuing revelation of future things. Of prime importance to the premillennial interpretation of Scripture, is the DISTINCTION provided in the New Testament between God’s present purpose for the church, and His purpose for the nation of Israel. Individuals who are descendants of Jacob in this present age have equal privilege with Gentiles in putting their trust in Christ and forming the body of Christ the church. The New Testament as well as the Old, however, makes clear that the Nation of Israel as such has ITS promises fulfilled ultimately in the future reign of Christ over them. At the time Israel will be His people and God will be their God. The New Testament makes plain according to the premillennial interpretation that God’s present purpose is not the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old Testament of the kingdom reign on earth during which Satan will be bound and all nations will come to worship at the feet of the King of Kings, Jesus Christ. The present age, according to premillennial interpretation, IS the fulfillment of God’s plan and purpose, revealed in the New Testament, to call out a people from Jew and Gentile alike to form a new body of saints. It is only when this purpose is completed that God can bring to pass the tragic judgments which precede the millennial reign of Christ and inaugurate the righteousness and peace which characterize the millennial Kingdom.” (pp. 5-8) emphasis added.

    More on this later!

  18. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Zoe

    You could not have quoted a better source.
    But TB has stated earlier in the year his abhorrence of DTS.

    But main line theological thought rate Walvoord and Ryrie and Chaffer et al


  19. @ ZOE

    “I say this to you, Terence, in all seriousness and sincerity, that your eschatological position in dismissing ‘Israel’ as having been replaced by the ‘Church’ is a very dangerous position to assume..”

    My dear brother, THAT’S “YOUR” OPINION (PLAIN & SIMPLE)…

    I couldn’t even tell that to my 4 year old grandson – he’d laugh at me and ask me if I am GOD*…


  20. @ GP

    Maybe you should join JACK BOWMAN & CH on the GARRISON Savannah –

    Your tactics becomes you and like spoiled children who throw tantrums you are well placed in the scrum to grovel with BOWMAN and his ilk…

    And on that note – have a blessed day and I will not be doing tete a tete with you or anyone else in a vainglorious attempt at egomania and time space distanciation…


  21. This foolishness about the jews being god’s chosen people, is absurd. It is more disgusting, to echo those sentiments, if you’re a black, asian or hispanic person. Let me tell you why, do any of you pseudo intellectuals believe, that any european on this planet can conceive, that god is black? Then why the hell, would you brainwashed negroes, think that the thing in which you most believe, takes on the characteristic of a european? Negro please! There’s a saying in the white establishment of the USA, “All you have to do ,is give a negro a title and a set of keys, and they will do whatever you want.” Don’t most of you get tired, constructing foolish thoughts, and meaningless soliloquy? Why are we as a people not able to establish an Afri(k)an centered environment to teach our children and grandchildren, thus leaving a legacy of non-european centered exploitation for them. Please permit me to say to you, the people who I so dearly love, europeans care less for us now, than at any time in our lifetime. Look, ten percent of the inhabitants of this world, control ninety percent of the world’s people and resources. Why brothers and sisters, are they able to have this control? It is because they have mastered mis-information, manipulation and deceit. Europeans don’t believe that they are “Superior to us, they believe that we’re inferior to them.” Inferior in how we think, behave and ultimately control our resources, both financial, social and spiritual. They have devised religion to keep us under control, and to seperate us when necessary. If you must believe in something or someone, I’m not suggesting that we all not believe in a diety, or supreme architect of this grand universe, but we should start by believing in ourselves. My beautiful brothers and sisters, we’re like “Lambs, led to the slaughter.” Often times because we are the most giving and trusting people on the planet, we’re taken advantage of, mistreated and manipulated. It is only due to our immense ability to survive, that we have not become extinct. European religion, something that europeans don’t believe in themselves, has cannibalized our Island nations, and even enslaved most of us mentally. If we don’t wake up from the misery of our past, tell me when will we rise, oh mighty people? This blog offers a tremendous insight into “We the people” however, to spend an inordinate amount of time on the King James version of hyprocrisy, is a waste of time. Afri(k)a needs our help, Afri(k)ans need our prayers. When I say Afri(K)a I mean black people all over the world. In case you did not notice, or were not paying attention, white folks have already screwed up this planet enough.


  22. The ABRAHAMIC Covenant?

    Was it unconditional?

    Absolutely NOT!!!

    Genesis 17:11 – “And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and IT SHALL BE A TOKEN of the covenant betwixt me and you….”

    v.13, “He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant…

    v.14m “And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people;he hath broken my covenant”.. (KJV).

    We all AGREE* that circumcision was then the outward token of the Covenant, BUT NOT THE COVENANT.

    God had already found Abraham worthy and he had already been saved and imputed righteous while he was uncircumcised and while he was still a Gentile (Genesis 26:5).

    Abraham, Isaac,and Jacob were all Semetic by racial stock at this time historically and NOT* some modern JEWISH social construction we find prevalent in our world!!!

    GEN 15:6 says “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness…”

    Jer.6:10 says, “To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it…”

    Jer. 9:26, Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon and Moab and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart….” (OMG)

    Eze. 44:9 “Thus saith the Lord GOD; no stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel…”

    ACTS 7:51, “Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye…”

    ISA.24:5, “The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant…” [religious faith that circumcision was the token of].

    Jer.11:10, “They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant [which circumcision was a token of] which I made with their fathers…”

    GAL 6:13, “For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh…”

    COL 2:11, “In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Messiah…”

    ROM 2:25, “For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision…”

    v.26, “Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?”

    v.27, “And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature,if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?”

    v.28, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: v.29, But ****HE IS A JEW****, which is one ****INWARDLY****; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    WELL, THAT’S THE WORD OF GOD!!!

    I choose like millions of others to believe the THE WORD!!!

    Verse 29 as PAUL so simply puts it, is vividly clear – “A TRUE JEW IS ONE WHOSE HEART IS RIGHT WITH CHRIST”!!!

    Seeing GOD* is the ONE* who reads the intents of the heart – it is FAIR* to assume that HE* is the only ONE* who really knows who is a JEW and who is NOT!!!


  23. THE NEW COVENANT WITH ISRAEL.

    A bit more from Professor Walvoord.

    “Among the Biblical covenats of the Old Testament, the new covenant with ISRAEL takes its place in importance with the Abrahamic and the Davidic covenants as determining the course and destiny of the Nation of Israel. In the study of premillennialism it is another important evidence for a future millennial kingdom in which its promises can find literal fulfillment.”

    The Promises of The New Covenant with Israel.

    “The promises of the new covenant with Israel are among the most specific of the Scriptures. The major passage is found in Jeremiah 31: 31-34:

    “Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of ISRAEL, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, saith Jehovah: i will put My law in their inward parts, and in their hearts will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall ALL know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their inquity, and their sin will I remember no more.” (Jer. 31:31-34).

    The Provisions of The New Covenant.

    According to Jeremiah 31: 31-34 previouslu quoted, at least seven (7) aspects are found contained in the new covenant with Israel.

    (1) It is specifically a covenant with “the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.” This was certainly understood by the Jews living in the Old Testament period as referring to Israel.

    (2) The new covenant is contrasted to the Mosaic covenant, which was made with Israel only.

    (3) The covenant promised fulfillment after the days of Israel’s trouble (Jer. 30:7) or the great tribulation which Christ predicted (Matt. 24: 21). It is further synchronized with the time of Israel’s regathering which is regarded as a preparation for fulfillment of the covenant (cf. Jer 31: 1-30) and constitutes the immediate context of the revelation of the new covenant.

    (4) The new covenant is designed to supplant and be superior to the Mosaic covenant in that it will be written “in their heart” instead of tables of stone.

    (5) The new covenant will bring in great spiritual blessing in that God and Israel will be publicly identified and Israel will be God’s people.

    (6) The new covenant will be fulfilled in a period of universal knowledge of the Lord in that it will not be necessary to instruct one’s neighbor concerning the Lord for “they shall all know me…” It is obviously the same time referred to by Isaiah when “the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9). This is a strong contrast to the prevailing ignorance of the Lord in the present age and the contemporary failure of missionary effort to reach everyone even in Christian countries. Only a millennial kingdom in which Christ is visible and gloriously present could provide such context for the fulfillment of this covenant.

    (7) The new covenant involves forgiveness of sins, specifically the sins mentioned in the preceding context as having merited God’s judgment upon Israel. It is therefore a gracious covenant.

    “It should be obvious to every candid expositor of this passage, that only the premillennial interpretation provides possibility of a literal fulfillment of all these provisions. To ‘spiritualize’ the passage to the extent of making ISRAEL mean the CHURCH, and to restrict the passage to a ‘spiritualized’ fulfillment of the details of the covenant robs the covenant of its essential features, The facts are not only stated closely in Jeremiah 31 and intended to be taken literally, but similar passages elsewhere have the same features.”

    “Isaiah 61: 8-9 declares that the covenant is EVERLASTING and especially designed to reveal to ALL observers that God HAS blessed the SEED of Israel. the context is the same as in Jeremiah – the covenant WILL be FULFILLED following a period of trial and judgment, and preceded by the REGATHERING of Israel. Jeremiah repeats the same promises 32: 37-40 where again the EVERLASTING character of the covenant and its relation to Israel’s regathering are reiterated.”

    “|Ezekiel 37: 21-28 adds further confirmation: (1) Israel to be regathered; (2) Israel to be one nation, ruled by one King; (3) Israel no longer idolatrous, to be cleansed, forgiven; (4) Israel to dwell “FOREVER” in the land after regathering; (5) the covenant of peace with them to be everlasting; (6) God’s tabernacle to be with them, i.e., He will be present with them in a visible way; (7) Israel to be known among Gentiles as a nation blessed of God. All of these promises are implicit in the basis passage of Jeremiah, but they confirm, enrich, and enlarge the covenant.” (A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, The Millennial Kingdom, pp. 208-212) emphasis added.

    One of the most dangerous methods of interpretation, IS the allegorizing, or spiritualizing of text, which the SDA et al have erroneously done, thus, leading Terence, who is not a theologian, nor, most certainly not aquainted with the proper principles of Biblical Hermeneutics, contextual analysis, and linguistic exegesis, without which, ALL of these heretical doctrines emanate.


  24. @Anonymous

    Your points are well taken…

    On your point of Jewery and its vertiginous absurdity as MOST FAVORED NATION STATUS – I ABSOLUTELY concur…

    Frankly after all the teeter-tottering, I want to lay down…

    LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


  25. What is dangerous is – “THE MUDDIED STATE OF POSTMODERN BIBLICAL STUDIES”
    Robert L. Thomas, Evangelical Hermeneutics: The New Versus the Old (Grand Rapids: Kregel, 2002) 508.

    “We have surveyed how every person is doing right in his/her own eyes in the postmodern world of evangelical hermeneutics. In sampling recent criticisms of the Princeton scholars and nineteenth-century dispensationalism, we saw the postmodern blurring of the rationality and precision of Scripture. We then took a look at how the postmodern blur is generating a middle-ground mania among evangelicals. Next, we took two samples of how postmodernism has sought to obliterate propositional truth in the realm of Bible prophecy…”

    “In our postmodern culture, evangelicals may still call their hermeneutics by the familiar “grammatical-historical” terminology, they have endowed familiar expression with an entirely different meaning…”


  26. This is a great video presentation by Bill Moyers on FAITH & REASON –

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/faithandreason/watch_rushdie.html


  27. TB,
    Most people on this planet don’t want to go where you will take them. They’re scared at what might be revealed about their innermost thoughts. People want, even possibly need to be spoon fed. Most of us have spent years, mastering miseducation, without diligent search for the facts. To unlearn some of the garbage taught in some, if not all of these major academic institutions, will take an entire lifetime. If one assumes that education is expensive, “Try being ignorant.” Ignorance conversely is knowing that something is wrong, and still maintaining its existence. How on earth can any world power, defend Israel’s right to exist, and promote the destruction of the palestinian people? More profound a question would be, how can we promote religion, to destroy, rape and pillage an entire region, when before 1948, the nation of Israel did not exist. There are those of us who cannot, will not, look truth in its eyes. To those people, I offer my sincere hope that you will set aside your bibles, and torahs, and think of humanity just for a minute. Don’t tell me about the people that Moses led from bondage, history shows that this nation of sojourners, called Israel, are not even remotely, historical linked to the lineage of the “Moses led Hebrews.” Any contributor to this blog, I dare you to disprove me, showing a clear historical analysis to my assertion. Any university professor, historian, bible toting christian, anyone, period. I am supremely confident, that I can crack holes in you beliefs, with historical evidence, more that you can disprove, that Israel is not a farce. These inhabitants of Israel, who call themselves jews, are nomads, former cave dwellers, who sojourned across the Euro-Asian steps in the last ice age, in order to find fertile lands, on which to exist. In fact, their religion was born out of the Metu Neter, and the pharaohnic experience. You, who have been led falsely by your bible toting european enslavers, need to understand, that it was Afri(k)a that offered this world monotheism, in the highest order. In order to understand this, permit me to point out you to (1) Sheik Anta Diop, (2)Chancellor Williams. Once you’ve read Diop’s and Williams’ articulate narrations of Afri(k)a, you cannot if you’re in your right minds, believe in the foolishness of our oppressors. History is important, depending on who tells it, if it’s told by those whose concept is to relegate our ancestral experience to nothingness, why would we even entertain their ideologies. Europeans always had plans wherever they’ve gone. Believe you me, nowhere where a european has set his feet, has ever been the same. Whether Barbados, Jamaica or Africa, the indigenous people will forever have borne the brunt of the european invader.


  28. @Terence, Man, you are not only in terrible spiritual ‘deception’ but, you are grossly intellectual dishonest, re Israel and Almighty God’s UNCONDITIONAL, IRREVOCABLE Covenant with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, Jews, the Nation of Israel.

    Hear God’s Word, not the spurious writings on men.

    “NOW, the Lord said to Abram: get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, To a LAND that I WILL show you. I WILL MAKE YOU A GREAT NATION. I will bless you and make your name great; And you shall be a blessing, I will BLESS those who BLESS YOU, and I WILL CURSE him who curses you. And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” (Gen. 12: 1-3) emphasis added.

    Terence, when you, or anyone else curses ‘Israel’ as you have so clearly done, by vehemently denying the absolute, UNCONDITIONAL, IRREVOCABLE Covenant that God established with them, YOU, are in effect, ‘Cursing’ Abraham, and his descendants, the Jewish people, the nation of Israel, and God has declared, ” I WILL BLESS those who bless you. And I WILL CURSE him who CURSES YOU.”

    Terence, you are treading on dangerous ground, be warned my friend!

    God’s plan from the beginning of redemptive history has been global. God’s work in Abraham’s life will be so evident throughout the Old Testament history, individuals, and nations who BLESSED Abraham’s descendants (Jews/Israelis) were blessed of God, those who persecuted them, God CUESED.

    The Biblical and historical evidence for this solemn, sovereign, unconditional and IRREVOCABLE Covenant, made and declared by Almighty God to Abraham and his descendants, (the Jews) from that moment in history (Gen. 12: 1-3), and to this day, no matter how much it is scoffed at, rediculed, mocked and called preposterous, can only be denied against the hard facts by those who are blatantly, Scripturally, historically and intellectually dishonest.

    In light of their (Jews) regathering to their ancient home land, after 2000 years of dispersion throughout the nations of the world, expressly foretold by God’s divinely inspired prophets in the Old Testament.

    The re-birth of the nation of Israel occurred in 1948, and IS one of the twin miracles of the 20th Century. That the Abrahamic Covenant IS *Unconditional* IS based on God’s declaration of FOUR direct and THREE *Irrevocable* ‘I WIIL’s’

    The first UNCONDITIONAL promise made by God to Abraham, was: “I WILL make you a GREAT NATION” (Gen 12:2). Implicit in this promise is a son (Isaac) through whom this NATION (Israel) would be created. Also, implicit IS the LAND promised (Canaan), since you CANNOT have a *Nation* without a LAND. God also promised very personal blessings to Abaham.

    Promises That Anticipated Anti-Semitism.

    Almighty God in His Omniscience KNEW the vile, sordid, ugly hated that would develop for the Jews, beginning way back in the patriarchal era, and therefore, in HIS, ‘I WILL’S’ clearly anticipated the Satanic malevolence that would be specifically directed at Abraham and his descendants, the Jews, through whom God’s mission of redemption to the world would come, and would logically, therefore, be singled OUT as prime targets by the father of ALL ‘LIES’ and evil, the Devil. That Anti-Semitism has been a relentless facts of history, simply cannot be denied.

    Therefore, God, in His Covenantal declaration with Abraham, said: “I WILL bless those who bless you, And I WILL curse him who curses you…(v.3a) Abraham and his divinely chosen line of descendants through Isaac and Jacob, have been consistently persecuted. There is a mystical quality behind the intesity of the HATRED toward the Israelites.

    The Jews have been singledf out for special hated since they were driven into global exile after the destruction of Israel in 70 A.D. The name ‘Jew’ has come to be indiscriminately applied to the survivors of all twelve tribes of Israelites in recent centuries.

    None of this diabolical, inhuma hatred, can be understood nor grasped, unless and until one understands the ‘one’ who the Word of God calls, ‘the god of this age’, none other than Satan himself, who is behind the annihilation of the Jews, and their God given State, Israel. Any objective study of the irrational outbreaks of hatred all over the world toward the Israelites; their mindless slaughter in every country, will reveal that there IS a malevolent spiritual force behind it all.

    The re-birth of the Nation/state of Israel on May 14th, 1948, is the apex of the fulfillment and final consummation of biblical prophecy, that will usher in the Second Advent of the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lord, Jesus Christ.

    .

  29. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Before I continue to share my essay on the Abrahamic Covenant

    In answer to the question is the Abrahamic Covenant unconditional read Hebrews 6: 13 et secq . This passage is a commentary on Genesis 15 relates the Abrahamic covenant to believers through Christ

    13. For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14. Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

    15. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

    16. For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

    17. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
    18. That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

    19. Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20. Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

    Who is our HOPE?
    WHO IS THE ANCHOR OF THE SOUL?
    WHO ENTERED THE VEIL?
    WHO IS THE FORERUNNER?
    WHO IS THE HIGH PRIEST AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISIDEK?

    Anyone who can read on reading all the covenants you will find that in all except the Abrahamic covenant, they were things for both parties in the covenant to uphold. In other words they were conditions//At Sinai there were all the rules of the law to be kept.

    Both Genesis 15 and Hebrews 6 indicate that in the Abrahamic covenant God swore to himself. He made the promise to him self with him self.

    I aint got no PhD nor do I meet with any professors from here or there or up in the air or in the UK, but I can read. You all decide. LOL.

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    What we are discussing here is what the Bible teaches.

    We are not talking about what Israel has or is doing. It is clear that for most of their existence that Israel has rebelled and rejected God- except for a remnant. There has always been a faithfiul remnant, throughout the ages. There is a gaithful remnant now, and there will be a faithful remnant in the millenium.

    It is ONLY in the millennium that Jews will accept Christ as they should. They rejected him in “Holy Week” when he offered himself as king in accordance to Zechariah’s prediction.

    For that they have been scattered for a second time as predicted by Moses in Exodus.

    Today Israel are in the state predicted by Hosea in Hosea 3: 4. For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:

    BUT NOTE
    5. Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

    In other wards in the Millenium.

    When this prophesy was given there was NO church. If verse 4 refers to Jews then so does verse 5. Only someone who is brainwashed or illogical or incoherent cant see this. LOL

    The bar raiser would have as believe that the condition of being a Jew is circumcision. Hey folk (Gentiles) were practicing circumcision before Abraham believed God, and they have been practicing it since. Ah lie? Circumcision does not make any one a Jew ijnwardly as clearly taught in Romans.

    I aint no scholar I never raise any bars anywhere. Nor am I talented. But I have a grasp of the Word.

  31. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Re
    What is dangerous is – “THE MUDDIED STATE OF POSTMODERN BIBLICAL STUDIES”
    Robert L. Thomas, Evangelical Hermeneutics: The New Versus the Old (Grand Rapids: Kregel, 2002) 508.

    “We have surveyed how every person is doing right in his/her own eyes in the postmodern world of evangelical hermeneutics. In sampling recent criticisms of the Princeton scholars and nineteenth-century dispensationalism, we saw the postmodern blurring of the rationality and precision of Scripture. We then took a look at how the postmodern blur is generating a middle-ground mania among evangelicals. Next, we took two samples of how postmodernism has sought to obliterate propositional truth in the realm of Bible prophecy…”

    “In our postmodern culture, evangelicals may still call their hermeneutics by the familiar “grammatical-historical” terminology, they have endowed familiar expression with an entirely different meaning…”
    ====================================

    Huh? What has this to do with the price of cheese , oh raiser of the bar Sir?

    Whoi is talking about “the postmodern world of evangelical hermeneutics, Sir? We talking about the ancient Scriptures man We talking about “what does the Bible really says about the sons of Abraham.” Sir
    .

    Sir bar raiser Sir? We are not discussing any ” sampling (of) recent criticisms of the Princeton scholars and nineteenth-century dispensationalism,” nor are we looking at “the postmodern blurring of the rationality and precision of Scripture.”

    We are discussing rightly dividing the Word of Truth about what does “the Bible really says about the sons of Abraham.”

    MR Teacher Sir. You dont seem to be able to acurately respond to my posts, but I will respond to what ever you say Sir. We need to “raise the bar” Sir in this discussion, man.

    I quote you again Sir bar raiser.

    We then took a look at how the postmodern blur is generating a middle-ground mania among evangelicals.

    AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS NO BLUR IN OUR MINDS ABOUT WHAT THE TEXT SAYS OR WHAT IT MEANS nor is there any mania here Sir. In a test match youexpect to face probing fast bowlers.

    I am not a postmodernism Sir Bar raiser Sir
    and I am not seeking to bliterate propositional truth in the realm of Bible prophecy…” I READ THE TEXT THEN I TRY TO ASCERTAIN WHAT THE TEXT SAYS
    THEN I TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE TEXT MEANS as tyaught in the ancient book of Nehemiah Chapter 8 verse 8 thus

    8. So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

    THEY READ
    THEY GAVE THE SENSE
    THEY UNDERSTOOD THE READING

    That is PREmodernist Sir. In fact very ancient Sir. Ah lie

    “In our postmodern culture, evangelicals may still call their hermeneutics by the familiar “grammatical-historical” terminology, they have endowed familiar expression with an entirely different meaning…”

    Sir Bar Raiser Sir iin this last quote YOU ARE SPEAKING OF YOUR SELF AND DONT EVEN REALIZE IT LOL

    In our postmodern culture, evangelicals may still call their hermeneutics by the familiar “grammatical-historical” terminology, they have endowed familiar expression with an entirely different meaning…”

    Ah lie?
    Ah gone ya hear…………for now.

    and stop trying to play to the gallery man. YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED!


  32. @ Anonymous

    “Most people on this planet don’t want to go where you will take them…”

    TO BE FRANK BRUV* – I REALLY DO NOT* CARE TOO MUCH TO TAKE ANYONE, ANYWHERE THEY DON’T WANT TO GO!!!

    This is a DEMOCRACY (whatever that means) –

    Unlike the dictatorial theocratic musings being pushed down our throats by some who claim to represent the copyrighted patent on God!!!

    Joshua said “AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE”…

    AND THAT’S MY FEELING EXACTLY!!!

    For those who have made the most impact in the life are usually the ONES* who get ridiculed, railed on, abused, censured, maligned, ostracized, demonized and ultimately persecuted for righteousness sake – in the case of those who possess the GIFT* of prophecy – they pay the price of MARTYRDOM!!!

    This has been case with every prophet, seer, sage or holy man down through time…

    “Ole’ pirates…”

    In recent modern history, we were given MARTIN* and they murdered him for “resisting the system”…

    And so it is, what it is my beloved brother!!!


  33. @ ZOE

    Again my dear brother what is truly dangerous is your warnings of “DANGER”…

    Yea though I walk through the valley – I have NEVER* feared NOTHING!!!

    I fear (LOVE BORNE OUT OF AWE) God… PERIOD!!!

    The rest is mere semantics!!!

    I have never danced to the beat of anyone’s drum and I am too old, too wise and have too many experiences under my belt to start reinventing the wheel NOW…

    I appreciate your rite* to share what you believe – but regrettably I AM UNCONVINCED!!!

    I tell you what I tell my Ashkenazi brethren – GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF ANY PERSON!!!

    If you guys have another slant on things – GOOD LUCK TO YA’…

    As the saying goes, “HAVE A NICE DAY!!!”

    You defend your epistemology…

    I stand my ground!!!

    I think that’s pretty simple… pretty uncomplicated don’t you think?


  34. What covenant! Blasted politics money and greed is the driving force behind the War in the middleeast and for sure God has no part of that for God is the author of PEACE ! LOVE ! and unity .
    Today the United States saying they are giving the Palestinians $400hundred million dollars in relief aid.
    Now what the hell is that to do with bible prophecy. The american Jews only care about Profitecy. However they will endorse The christian interpretation of God’s promise to them as far as having the land , They know that force and change come in numbers . But don’t tell them about Jesus . How hypocritical.!

    @Tmb

    Preach on brother. Those who have ears to hear let them HEAR!
    The egomaniacs have lost control of this thread and now they bare on the attack.
    First SDA. now palgairism. What would they think of next! Iam listening.


  35. @TMB: “This is a DEMOCRACY (whatever that means)

    I assume you have realized that Democracy can be used to confuse, constrain and inhibit.

    I assume you have read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

    …particularly the last section: “Popular rule as a facade

    IMHO, Democracy is being touted as an “touch stone” without it having been demonstratively proven to solve all problems.

    Just because “the people” choose “their leaders” every few years, does this ensure that “the people’s” issues will be managed appropriately?


  36. Accuse me of being a MODERATE* but ya’ gotta’ LOVE Bill Moyers…


  37. @ ac

    Cheers matey!!!

    You’d think there is a PAYCHECK* involved in all this!!!

    I guess “TALK” ain’t that cheap after all…

    Oh well, ask OPRAH***

    LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


  38. Revelation all right! For God shall revealed those things he wants us to know .Thank God for the internet. For those who were blind can surely see .Gone are the days when only those with so called superiour intelligence told us how to think.


  39. @ CH

    “I assume you have realized that Democracy can be used to confuse, constrain and inhibit…”

    ABSOLUTELY…

    Let’s call it the tyranny of democratic freedoms…

    OFF MESSAGE FOR A MO’ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    How was the show down at HIGH NOON with the self-acclaimed “DOC HOLIDAY” at the Garrison Sav???

    Did Jack “the twinkle-toes” Bowman show or was it a wind-up?

    I really get a good laugh off you guys…

    Pure stand up!!!

    Ya’ gotta’ love Barbados Underground (so aptly titled)…

    David probably sits in the wings having a real good belly laugh himself!!!


  40. @TMB

    PAYBACK ! maybe


  41. @TMB: “Did Jack “the twinkle-toes” Bowman show or was it a wind-up?

    No, he didn’t show up, even though I was there with witnesses.

    But then it was raining hard, and it has been claimed that Bajans melt in the rain…

    Keep doing what you’re doing. I’ll keep doing what I’m doing…

    …and, perhaps, someday, we Humans will reach a state of stability.


  42. @ ac

    “Gone are the days when only those with so called superior intelligence told us how to think…”

    There is (permit me to use the “word” seeing that it has been swash-buckled about all day long) a “DANGER” within the so-called intelligentsia in Barbados who believe that liberty of conscience is an arcane virtue…

    The concept of “THEIR” way or the “HIGHWAY” stifles growth, creativity and mental expansion amongst a people who have been blessed with superior abilities – but there is a “CHORUS” of voices who seem hellbent on muzzling popular opinion, debate, discourse or the “right” to free emotional or spiritual expression…

    This “AC” is DANGEROUS* stuff!!!

    It is endemic within our politics, our religion and etched within the socioeconomic fabric of BAJAN society…

    My greatest fear (and I am not the son of a prophet) but I believe this holds serious connotations for our small 166 sq. mile plot of land out in the Caribbean Sea…

    If certain demagogues are allowed to have their own way – we will see a rehash of the “dark ages” which Europe experienced for 1260 years (538AD to 1798) where the POPES & PRIESTS told us we were too ignorant to understand the Scriptures and that we were basically “SCUM” while they were “THE CHOSEN & THE BELOVED” of God…

    We have to shun those folks like the Bubonic plague – they are terminally infectious and a danger to themselves and to the “hive”…


  43. @ CHRIS

    “But then it was raining hard, and it has been claimed that Bajans melt in the rain…”

    Man, I can’t stop laughing…

    I am about to piss myself!!!

    This is good stuff!!

    Jack (“BE NIMBLE, JACK BE QUICK, JACK JUMP OVER THE CANDLE STICK”) Bowman was a NO-SHOW for the “gun-fight” of his life…

    Go figure…. Unbelievable!!!

    Well Chris, forgive my crass allusory grasp of the “FRENCH” language – but it seems you have the “biggest” balls on the block…

    You really can’t script this stuff!!!


  44. @TMB
    Not to mention those with “Closedminds”. There are the ones the Bible talk about as being self righteous. Don’t confuse them with the facts.Their is no Highway with t
    hem, ONEWAY only.
    However please don’t let me detour you. Continue with your teaching.


  45. @TMB: “Man, I can’t stop laughing…

    Please stop laughing…

    I left my home and my family today not knowing if I would be alive three hours later.

    My girlfriend, my mother and two friends pleaded with me not to do this.

    I argued that my life was worth a point. As has been argued and demonstrated before.

    Let us, *PLEASE*, make the most of this….

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Mr Blackett

    Re I have never danced to the beat of anyone’s drum and I am too old, too wise and have too many experiences under my belt to start reinventing the wheel NOW…
    I appreciate your rite* to share what you believe – but regrettably I AM UNCONVINCED!!!

    May we say the same too Sir?

    Yes I will defend not any epistemology… but what the Bible teaches
    You stand your ground and so do we. But in your exegesis you are confusing and contradicting yourself. I think that’s pretty simple… pretty uncomplicated don’t you think?

    Re “Gone are the days when only those with so called superior intelligence told us how to think…”

    That’s exactly correct. TMB the Bar raiser came, chose a text started a discussion on a topic using an article which HE HIMSELF CONFESSED THAT HE PLAGIARISED, but he has been unable to defend his thesis. He continues to waffle, divert attention away from the fact that he can not defend his position. Any discussion of the sons of Abraham from the Bible must of necessity involve the Abrahamic covenant, which will come to full fruition in the Millennial kingdom , as most of the unfulfilled prophesies of the Scriptures will attest. must

    This is not about the “The concept of “THEIR” way or the “HIGHWAY” stifles growth, creativity and mental expansion amongst a people who have been blessed with superior abilities – “ This is about presenting ANOTHER VIEW IF YOU PLEASE. You came expecting to get your way and say what you like to quote the BU crowd “unchallenged?

    Re but there is a “CHORUS” of voices who seem hellbent on muzzling popular opinion, debate, discourse or the “right” to free emotional or spiritual expression This “AC” is DANGEROUS* stuff!!!”

    We are discussing what the Bible teaches Sir. Not muzzling popular opinion. Howmany Bajans know or care about the Abrahamic covenant. You came with your stolen or copied article BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.

    NO one is “muzzling debate, discourse or the “right” to free emotional or spiritual expression, Sir Bar Raiser. We are engaging in “debate, discourse or the “right” to free emotional or spiritual expression debate.” And you do not like it! You have your PhD and we have our doctorates in Theology.

    You are again playing to the gallery when you wriote “ If certain demagogues are allowed to have their own way – we will see a rehash of the “dark ages” which Europe experienced for 1260 years (538AD to 1798) where the POPES & PRIESTS told us we were too ignorant to understand the Scriptures and that we were basically “SCUM” while they were “THE CHOSEN & THE BELOVED” of God…
    We have to shun those folks like the Bubonic plague – they are terminally infectious and a danger to themselves and to the “hive”…”

    If we are dangerous show from the Scriptures that we are incorrect. Isnt that fair?

    Both Zoe and I who might be scum on BU have supported our position by scripture, as ought to be done in a fair “debate or discourse” where folk have the “right” to free emotional or spiritual expression debate.” Ah lie? You think you dealing with illiterate morons!

    You seem to be the one seeking your own way here on BU with your SELF CONFESSED plagiarized article. Ah lie?

  47. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Let us now examine the Abrahamic Covenant again and see exactly in what way what was promised in that covenant and how those promises relate to the Nation
    of Israel and believers today.

    Genesis 12:1-3 records the first promise to
    Abraham.

    Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be
    blessed. Gen 12:1-3

    God initiated and imposed a covenant. Gen. 12:1-3
    Abraham represented himself and his descendants. Gen. 12:2; 17:7-8

    God and Abraham pledged loyalty. Gen. 15:1, 6
    God would protect Abraham in all circumstances. (Gen. 12:3, 17; 14:14-16, 18-20; chapter 20

    God initiated blood sacrifice and the sign of circumcision (cutting of the representative’s flesh). (Gen. 15:8-21; 17:9-14)

    God ate a covenant meal with Abraham. Gen. 18:8
    Abram had his name changed to Abraham, and God was known as the “God of Abraham.” (Gen. 17:4, 5; 32:9)

    The specific things in this text that are of major importance in our study are the promises concerning a “great nation,” the “land,” and “in thee shall all of
    the families of the earth be blessed.” We have already established that the last thing mentioned is the gospel promise of Christ Himself.

    This particular promise cannot possibly refer to physical Israel except as she is the vehicle
    through which the Messiah is brought into the world.

    What is most important to note about this first meeting of God and Abraham, is that God has kept the three-fold promise which he made to Abraham at this time;
    giving us today every reason to believe that He will keep all of the promises He has since made and those that pertain to us today.

    God promised that he would make Abraham’s name great and bless him; and he did so.

    God promised that he would make him a blessing to all mankind; and he did so by establishing the
    nation of Israel, who as a people have endured longer than any other nation on earth today.

    The giving to the world the Bible through them has been a blessing to all who have read only a few pages with the right spirit. We know that in some parts, the Bible is so much a blessing that the few available are cut into portions that are distributed and thus loaned so that all could get a chance to benefit therefrom.

    The untold blessings of the Word of God by educating man about the grace of God which has appeared unto men cannot be properly or accurately reported.

    In addition God has allowed Israel to enter the promised land on three separate occasions. The fact that they could not retain it on two previous occasions, and that even now they are struggling to do so is a function of their disobedience, rather than God’s inability to keep this promise.

    We know that one day He will himself make good this promise by His personal appearance and rule. The plan of God in this first meeting of God and Abraham is clearly seen.

    I will be back. Those who want to know what the Abrahamic covenant is a bout can learn

    But in a discussion about what the Bible says about the Sons of Abraham it is relevant.


  48. @CH / TMB,

    You guys have eased my mind, as just after noon, apparently there were both a Police car and an ambulance racing in the general vicinity of the garrison, to my horror.

    I wondered at that point if indeed these pages would be used in court.

    Thankfully, obviously the goodly Mr.Bowman’s balls fuel his mouth or words rather than his actions.

    Then again, CH is rather recknless to meet a total stranger at high noon.

    That said, CH I hope you had someone scouring the outskirts, I wonder if Bowman was indeed watching to see if you turned up?


  49. @Crusoe: “That said, CH I hope you had someone scouring the outskirts

    Let’s just say I was comfortable in the situation.


  50. THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT.

    The Abrahamic Covenant is the Covenant God made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, It was made after the tower of Babel and the scattering of the descendants of noah. It involves National Israel, the Seed Messiah, and all believers of all nations. It IS the most COMPREHENSIVE of all the Old Testament Covenants.

    When God made promises and CONFIRMED them with an OATH, He bound Himself to their FULFILLMENT, making the covenant *IRREVOCABLE*. Such is seen in the Noahic Covenant (Isaiah 54: 9), the Abrahamic Covenant (Hebrews 6: 16-17), and the Davidic Covenant (Psalms 89:3, 35; 132: 11), which consummates inh the New Covenant with Christ after the order of Melchisedek (Acts 2:30; Psalms 110; Hebrews 7: 20,21,23). God’s OATH to His PROMISES is a confirmation and an end of all strife and unbelief on the part of man.

    What is the Relationship of the Mosaic Covenant and the Abrahamic Covenant?

    In the early Church there was much confusion concerning the relationship of three great covenants: the Abrahamic, the Mosaic and the New Covenants. Paul gave the solution by pinpointing the relationship of the Mosaic Covenant to the Abrahamic Covenant. The five parts to this answer that are given in the Epistle are listed below:

    a. The Mosaic Covenant did NOT annul NOR replace the promises of the Abrahamic Covenant. The Abrahamic Covenant had been made IRREVOCABLE by its PROMISES being CONFIRMED with an *OATH* (Galatians 3: 8,9,14-18; Hebrews 6: 13-20),

    b. The mosaic Covenant was *added( to or “placed alongside” the Abrahamic Covenant, because of Israel’s transgressions (Galatians 3:19).

    c. The Mosaic Covenant once instituted was to ‘run parallel’ or co-exist with the Abrahamic Covenant. For this reason the prophets spoke of the covenants co-existing in their day (Galatians 3: 15-19; Ezekiel 16: 59-63). The Mosaic Covenant and the Abrahamic Covenant both flow into the Cross; their ceremonial elements being fulfilled and ABOLISHED and their spiritual and eternal elements being fulfilled in the New Covenant.

    d. The Mosaic Covenant was imposed or “laid upon” Israel to prefigure the Person and work of christ (Hebrews 9:9,10).

    e. The Mosaic Covenant was ‘temporal’, given UNTIL Christ the SEED of Abraham would come and UNTIL the time of reformation which would be brought about by the New Covenant (Galatians 3:19; Heb. 9:10).

    NOTE: The Abrahamic Covenant, which was EVERLASTING and *IRREVOCABLE* was NOT annulled by the Mosaic Covenant, which WAS temporally imposed upon Israel UNTIL the time when the New Covenant would fulfil the Abrahamic Covenant, and abolish the Mosaic Covenant. Thus, the Abrahamic Covenant was the transcending, ETERNAL Covenant, while the Mosaic Covenant was the temporary additional Covenant. (The Covenants, pp. 14, 27, 43,) emphasis added.

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