Submitted by Crusoe (as a comment on the Haiti We Are Sorry blog
You list some good ideas for the structural retransformation of Haiti [Responding to Commenter Dictionary on the Haiti We Are Sorry blog]. Each in of themselves they do not depend on improved education but do depend on improved technical training (farming etc). However, for all, the long-term success of those initiatives individually and collectively leading to a successful Haiti will certainly also depend on improved education, if as we have been informed, the literacy level is so low.
This has two implications.
Firstly, immediately after initial search, rescue, medical, temporary (short and medium term) and security issues have been addressed as priority, the early reformation must include an immediate education programme, for adult and youth, such that the transformation of Haiti can begin with the active participation of her people, not as ‘serfs’ but as active individuals and communities with an understanding of the reasoning behind the methods and the aim of the methods.
I must add, that ‘transformation’ in this context is not meant to refer to bringing Haiti to the same philosophical outlook as anyone other specific group. In this context it is meant to refer to bringing Haiti to a level of self-capability and self-determination. Now, to expect say a three or four year ‘crash course’ in education and technical skills may seem either impossible or unrealistic, but unfortunately, if this is not done as one of the foundations of the rebuilding (in the context of not only structural, but as a nation of people), than all else may eventually prove futile.
This is obviously along the lines of the old phrase of teaching a man to fish instead of giving him the fish. Merely putting up structures, farms etc may certainly alleviate some misery, but while in the short term foreign contractors etc may gain much from the aid given for this purpose, the long-term goal should be to have Haitians and not only elite, but the everyday Haitian, benefit from money flows and thus create an independent people and a vibrant economy.
It is my view therefore Caricom leaders, should address the education of Haiti, as a priority, as much a priority as any other redevelopment effort.
To reinforce a point, the initial effort must not only be to set up an improved schooling system, but implement as an interim measure, an ’emergency education programme’, with the help of international authorities and the Haitian authorities. If one wants a long-term Haiti, this is essential.
We must give thanks yet again, that Errol Barrow saw the necessity of education as a developmental tool. And, we must forever resist ANY attempts to take free education from Barbadians. Indeed, those of us who wish for an improved world, must seek the furtherance of a sound even if basic education, for all peoples, as a necessity for development.
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i see that you back with some rocking logic i guess you would call dat rock-et science.
since iborn i hear that the rain does fall pun the righteous and the unrighteous
in one parable the lord say let the wheat and the tares grow till he ready to reap
i not interested in numbers of mormons
you missing my point which is
if you say you following bible only then yur religious leader or founder cant add to the bible and ask his sheeple to accept his revelations as equal wid de bible
it makessense to me dat if you say that the bible is the gold standard that anything that deviates from the bible is substandard
i not any body side kick or supoorter
i just got plain old time common sense
if a prson got to hosse the mormons cause they increasing in numbers one could as well stay as a catholic or anglican
maybe people are getting off topic (haiti)
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@ Anon.
Quote………..”if a prson got to hosse the mormons cause they increasing in numbers one could as well stay as a catholic or anglican”
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I certainly don’t recall (but my memory might be failing) anyone telling you or anyone else to change from being a RC or an Anglican!! It is entirely a personal choice for you or anyone else what organisation with which they wish to associate themselves.
All I recall saying is that some peeps here take what other peeps write & post on the internet as Gospel. And, nothing could be further from the truth.
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why would a mormon go on the internet and post lies about the mormons?
there are mormon websites that state what the mormons teach
those boys in the white shirts distribute the book of mormon i saw my brother wid one once
there are sda sites that say what the sda’s teach
there are websites that post the baptist distinctives etc etc
there are text books out there used in bible schools and seminaries dat teach about the cults
are all these sources false? or zoe just meking up things
there is a body of knowledge archived about mormons is this not so?
there are also books by ex catholics, ex sda’s ex mormons ex lodge people etc, ex-atheists, ex agnostics etc and even books by apostates
people who are interested and who read or study can know if they so desire
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“people who are interested and who read or study can know if they so desire”
The thing about study is that it is subject to interpretation. It also means that some evidence may or may not be discounted in an attempt to come up with a clear unambiguous interpretation based on what is observable.
Take for example, the evidence presented as the basis for saying that the earth is round was discounted by those who thought it was flat and that if you went far enough, you will drop off the earth.
While this may have been the majority belief, the facts confirmed that the minority observation that the earth is round. So the basis of a majority belief as truth is irrelevant to the facts. Just as your belief in christ, even though popular, is no proof of truth.
Therefore, the many interpretations which exist as denominations of christianity has nothing on each other. You have your understanding of it while others have theirs. For when each of the denominations arrive at each fork of ambiguity, you have taken different roads.
Which is the correct road? Can both roads be correct? Even if you get the correct road at the first fork, how can you be sure of the correct road at the next fork and the next, and the next?
When looking at the probabilities that an interpreter will choose the right fork each time, (provided that there are wrong roads at each or even some forks) this will obviously be 50:50 if there are only two roads at each fork.
Given then that the probability that any one denominations would have travelled all the right roads is virtually zero, each of you should have respect for the other because all of you would have some wrong roads in there.
Therefore, what Zoe is doing, is not only intellectually dishonest, but perpetrating divide and rule tactics using fear-mongering, persecution and terrorism.
Everybody has a right to hold their beliefs without persecution, but Zoe would like to hold his/hers while persecuting others for theirs. It will never work that way and he/she will be forever at war with the world over his/her personally accepted belief. This is the devil.
I forgot to mention that if there are no wrongs roads at each fork, then all of you are correct. This is even greater reason why you should all respect one another without this persecution.
Therefore, Zoe has a right to hold their beliefs without persecution also.NO?
Why is Zoe intellectually dishonest
how is he perpetrating divide and rule tactics using fear-mongering, persecution and terrorism?
the man just sharing information that is readily available for anyone interested in his aea of study.
Everybody has a right to hold their beliefs without persecution, according to you
Therefore, Zoe has a right to hold their beliefs without persecution also.NO?
no buts?
who are you to set the rules here man?
Why you didnt set the rulesat the rate hering too? ha ha
where has Zoe persecuted anyone for their beliefs? he only illuminated and informed me about a few cults.
Man Zoe give me some more cult facts do!
Let this moron rant and rave as he like but dont let him stop you from sharing what you want to share, man.
the devil is those who decide what shuld be shared by anybody
i dont think zzzzoe at war wid a soul
seems you at war cause may be th word of god pricking your heart if ya still got one. ha ha ha ha ha ja ja
s. It will never work that way and he/she will be forever at war with the world over his/her personally accepted belief. This is the devil.
Cause game recognize game scheisty ass
the world is a ghetto
Five hundred negroes died in guerilla warfare
In a village in africa, but didn’t nobody care
They just called up the goddamn gravedigga
And said come get these muthafarkin negroes
Just like they do in the 5th ward
In the south park and the bronx and the watts
You know they got crooked cops
The suffering continues in Haiti 23 days later.
You really think those guys care or give a damn about the Haitians David?…..really now!!
But Techie millions and millions of dollars has been raised by the world. Why is a double amputee giving birth in the tent city without any help of relevant food and medical supplies? Isn’t time the Haitian government start to question why despite the global effort its people continue to suffer?
Sorry, here’s the ‘clean’ version :
They just put them in a box nothing crucial
And it was Business As Usual
What i would like to know and am trying to find out though David, is how much of an interest those 5 rich families have in all this.
Like you said, millions of dollars and 3 weeks later, no (major) change in the conditions of the Haitian people.
I was discussing this with an ex marine yesterday and we pondered on this, maybe the real plan is to drive the people to riot, maybe even the death of a marine, then we will really see the true picture.
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Haiti’s Oligarchy:
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The families – Acra, Nadal, Coles, Baussan, Vital, Vorbes, Madsen, Mevs, Brandt, Kouri, Sada, Loukas, Boulos, Bigio and others including the various lesser bourgeoisie wannabees, all also referred to by HLLN as Category Zero: the subcontracted Haitians, work in tandem with foreign government agents, foreign embassies in Haiti, foreign financial institutions – USAID/IDB/IRI/NED/WB/IMF, et al, their subcontracted entities and other such corporate looting entities, defined as foreign “aid” and “investments,” foreign NGOs, militaries, paramilitaries, and foreign “charities” who lay the ground for foreign domination, dependency, endless debt (financial colonialsim) and Haiti’s perpetual underdevelopment and containment-in-poverty under the guise of “altruism,” “free trade” and “development”. (See, Bourgeoisie Freedom;The Families: Lekòl Lage; La Bourgeoisie Haitienne: Une Bourgeoisie Mediocre (Photos); Une bourgeoisie déracinée!; La DGI présente les 150 plus grandes entreprises d’Haïti, October 20, 2007 and HLLN Campaign Five)
These families: Acra, Nadal, Coles, Baussan, Vital, Vorbes, Madsen, Mevs, Brandt, Kouri, Sada, Loukas, Boulos, Bigio and others, work, in the shadows, plotting with foreigner transnational interests to keep Haitian society polarized the better to bring coup d’etat anarchy and neoliberalism death projects that benefit their wealth at the expense of the country’s productive development; and the better to exploit and contain the Haitian majority in poverty. Privatizing everything in Haiti through privatizing the Haitian government (using dictatorship, occupation, paid-off military, police and civilian attaches); privatizing all assets, including Haitian ports as indicated below. These multi-passported “Haitian” families benefit every which way with duty free imports and duty free exports for the foreign companies they work for as subcontractors, repatriating all profits, all capital tax free and exported out of Haiti without capital restrictions. They sow seeds of division, financing civilian attaches to massacre dissenters, suppress dissatisfied workers, slaughter, terrorize the civilian population; creating chaos with complete impunity, the net result of which is they pay little or no taxes, maximize the uses of Haiti for their wealth, foreign interests and political controls. This keeps the country re-starting from coup-d’etat-ground-zero over and over again which serves to insure these economic elites are NEVER subjected to any domestic Haitian laws or constraints…(See Forwarded Mail below – “Et revient la question. Et ceux dont les pères sont en Afrique, ils n’auront donc rien “).
Good curiosity Technician.
In other words how sustainable is any reconstruction or transformation effort if the influence of these families in Haiti remain entrenched?
@David
I goes further. These families stand to benefit tremendously from reconstruction… and imagine, these families have sufficient wealth that they could underwrite the cost of recovery. Question: How much are they helping now?
“Why is Zoe intellectually dishonest…”
You mean, after explaining that he has one interpretation; and that each denomination represents a different interpretation; and that each interpretation will have errors; and that each interpretation deserves some respect because they all have their validity and base in the bible; therefore he has nothing on them, you mean you still ask that question?
I think you need to ask that question of somebody else. I see Zoe talking about pinheads all the time, but I did not realise he was referring to you.
Looka dis here johhny now going to butt in…
The thing is, all religions, cults whatever, lead to one thing.
Central control, but the few.
Control may be subtle, thus a cult does not have to remain in a specific location and acreage.
Mind control is just as effective.
Therefore, the important issue is that one must be able to discern and think for oneself.
The issue then becomes, how does one react with the society in which one operates.
Then, we follow laws as agreed by the society, as being reasonable and protecting us and others, from actions of each.
Then again, laws are about protection, but also, in some countries…about control…..
So, one must think for oneself and act in a manner that protects oneself……..
@ Anon // February 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM
You asked :- “how is he perpetrating divide and rule tactics using fear-mongering, persecution and terrorism?”
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I want you to know that there was once a man just like “Mr.” Zoe. He persecuted the saints something terrible. He was responsible for many of them being condemned to death and those so condemned suffered excruciating deaths.
He thought he knew it all and that anyone else of other beliefs were wrong. He thought that he was God’s mouthpiece against all these other people. Until, yes until, our Lord Jesus Christ sorted him out as he was yet on his way to persecute even more souls for their beliefs. It happened on the road to Damascus when Jesus Christ appeared to him and he was converted to those very same beliefs that he was having other people persecuted for and eventually put to death. His name was Saul of Tarsus, a Pharisee, (or religious leader) who became known as Paul the Apostle.
So, “Mr.” Anon, go read your scriptures with understanding and with the help of the Holy Spirit and while you are at it see if you can influence you “partner in crime” ( or should I say partner in blasphemy), and a modern day persecutor of believers, to also do the same.
I do not understand how some folks can cut & paste utter bovine excrement from other people’s writings, eg one “Dr.” Martin, an obviously biased (and that is putting it VERY mildly) man, and expect that to be taken as truth!! Anyone can take a line from one page and then another line from another page, put them together, like this man Martin, and show a completely different meaning to what was really intended. In other words, take words and lines out of context and twist them around to come up with a completely different meaning when compared with what was actually intended. I think it was Dr. GP who said “when you take something out of context it then becomes a PRETEXT!! Or words to that effect.
So, wheel and come again, “Mr.” Anon, I think it was Abe Lincoln who said,
” you can fool SOME of the people SOME of the time but you can’t fool ALL of the people ALL of the time!! As I said before better than you & “Mr.” Zoe have been trying for years & years to refute the LDS church and have not done so. Why? Because the Lord will not allow it! Because it is His work that is being done here on earth in these the final days of this dispensation.
God’s blessings be upon you. May you and yours enjoy this blessed day, the Lord’s Day.
BTW, I hope you are going to church today. You are most welcome to visit any of our 4 services @ 10:00 every Sunday.
Then again, there are those societies where religious law and societal laws are either one and the same or similar.
E.g. Sharia Law.
Should this be so?
If the significant majority of the society so sees fit, then is would seem so.
But then, according to ‘modern standards’ and international conventions, surely this is discriminatory to minorities?
Are international conventions to apply to all, or only to those who are willing to follow international conventions?
If following of international conventions is effectively voluntary, does this weaken the mandate of the UN etc, in that perceived human rights rules are not enforceable?
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Because one tends to judge others by what one would do, in the same circumstance.
Which is why we sometimes walk away completely shocked at the actions of some in life, when we cannot comprehend their thinking, because ours is so different.
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@Crusoe
“Then again, laws are about protection, but also, in some countries…about control…”
You making some good and correct points. There is only one thing I would like to point out. In terms of the principles of good governance, democracy, and liberalism, laws are about regulation, not control.
Liberalism can be described within the understanding of a free market. One A. Smith spoke about an invisible hand, but this most describes the sum effect of human activity (the market) given all else equal (which it is usually not).
By extension, the law recognises that man should be free to pursue life and a good quality of life can be better attained where people are working interdependently.
One of the boasts about English Law, especially when challenged for the lack of a constitution (English law, society or government did not start with a constitution) is that English law was developed by people working and living together in a society. Hence the idea of Common Law; practices “common” to the people. When a magistrate came to a district to adjudicate law, he first had to investigate and find out what were the common practices of the district before he could decide on cases set for hearing.
The idea that law is meant to control as under the monarchy, was dismissed by the extraction of the Magna Carta, establishing that individuals had rights which ought to be respected by those who govern. This control by the monarchy was further eroded over time, as more and more it was realised that people should be left as much as possible to make decisions that affect their lives.
Therefore, there are some basic assumptions about law which I shall try to recall from memory after all these years. Assumptions that:
1. The law must be certain and this allows the individual to contemplate action that is within the law. The certainty of the laws are established by procedures; when they are passed by Parliament and assent is given.
2. That the law is not arbitrary in its application. In other words, you cannot back date laws in order to convict a person of a crime for which there was no law or which no law addressed at the time of the commission of the crime. This also applies to things such as taxes, rights, procedures, rules, conventions and other matters involving the state.
3. The law will be equally applied to all citizens (flowing from the above).
4. In its interpretation, the law is not intended (Parliament did not intend) to unfairly or unreasonably deprive anyone of their property or liberty, rights, etc.
5. The law must be clear and unambiguous.
Apart from these (may have left out some) there are certain rules of interpretation, for example that:
1. Ordinary meanings should the given to words.
2. The law should not lead to absurdity so if the ordinary meanings of words when applied lead to absurdity, the court must seek to interpret the words; and there are several rules applied here as it relates to gender, jargon and other technical meaning applied to words when interpreted on their own or together.
Sorry to take so long to make the point, but just wanted to demonstrate that the law is about “regulation” rather than control and that is where all roads lead. This means that we should be vigilant not to allow Parliament to pass any laws that are meant to control.
Of course there is more. Several cases were won on this matter of regulation. One famous Caribbean precedent was a case against the Town Planning Department of T&T, where the Town Planner ordered the demolition of a building for which the owner did not apply for Town Planning permission but he had complied with all the laws related to building and construction.
It was held by the court that the owner complied with all the laws and that the Town Planner was a mere “regulator” to ensure that the laws were complied with. Town Planning lost the case… but don’t try that today because what the fellas have done in trying to plug this gap, is to make it illegal not to apply to Town Planning; so it does not matter whether you are within the construction laws anymore because the fact that you did not apply and proceeded to build, is illegal.
Now this is a law that needs challenging on the grounds that it seeks to control rather than regulate. It places excessive power in the hands of the Town Planner when ordinarily interpreted.
However, a long shot defense may be that even though this is so worded, given the assumption not to deprive unduly, and the principles of discretion (that no authority should have absolute power), one may very well succeed in arguing the point that the Town Planner is a mere regulator and that reasonably interpreted, the law did not intend to give the Town Planner absolute power to deprive persons of their property where they complied with the law.
There is only one caveat here, the inspections; maybe Town Planning can claim that in terms of building code, construction without the inspections done by Town Planning at stages of construction will not allow the Department to ascertain that the code was complied with because once the building is complete, compliance cannot be ascertained. How would you be able to ascertain compliance if the structure is completed? Is this a reasonable cause to demolish the building?
Point taken on regulation vs control.
Although, legislation such as the Patriot Act etc, do these only regulate.
How about laws in the Middle East, where applicable, that ensure citizens obey religious codes.
Are we certain that these are regulation or are these actually about control?
@ ROK, You are a FOOL, a blockhead, you don’t even understand what ‘intellectual dishonesty’ means, if you HAD any more brains, you would be a complete IDIOT!
@the hood, You are another kind of IDIOT, *hoodwinked* an hornswoggle *fool*.
I would challenge YOU, if you had the intellectual capacity, BUT you DON’T , to show or prove the baloney, HOGWASK, you wrote about the assiduous, careful, penetrating scholarship, of the late Dr. Walter Martin in the way he EXPOSED Mormonism, try, IF YOU CAN, and prove where he, once, took anything documented FACTS about Mormonism, out of CONTEXT?
Neither Rok-HEAD, nor YOU, HOOD-winked, have the intellectual ability, to cogently, with any objective coherence, or logic, to evaluate facts, evidence, and truth, re the matters you have sought to engage in with me!
All BOTH of YOU do, is resort to blatant Redherrings, Stawmen-like twisting of the facts, and rhetorical slander, IGNORANCE demonstrated to its height!
If the light that be in YOU, is DARKNESS, Oh, how GREAT is that DARKNESS!!!
@Crusoe
“How about laws in the Middle East, where applicable, that ensure citizens obey religious codes. Are we certain that these are regulation or are these actually about control?”
I really am not able to comment on these laws. My comments were about Barbados and where we should be headed in terms of legislation.
What I would say though is that legislation based on religious dogma will not be liberal, democratic or based on good governance, because of religious limits.
@Zoe
“@ ROK, You are a FOOL, a blockhead, you don’t even understand what ‘intellectual dishonesty’ means, if you HAD any more brains, you would be a complete IDIOT!”
“@the hood, You are another kind of IDIOT, *hoodwinked* an hornswoggle *fool*.”
Well, I don’t think you have anything on us, and if you did it would be that you have more ignorance and foolishness.
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Mr. Zoe, “your mightyness”, I take leave to bid you best wishes and allow you to continue to wallow in the filth with which you have filled your mind. Please understand, that having tried to convince you of the error of your ways re the LDS church and having absolutely no intention of accommodating the wishes of that master of deception, Satan, whom you seem to want to bend to, I will leave you to you own devices. I have been taught that contention is of the Devil and I do not wish to be so influenced as you seem so inclined to be, as portrayed by your most recent post on the topic.
I quote some of your words here :- “@the hood, You are another kind of IDIOT, *hoodwinked* an hornswoggle *fool*.”
I refer you to Matt. 5:22…….”and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” Go figure! I anticipate your response that I am not your brother, but like I said, go figure. I strongly suggest you earnestly seek the influence of the Holy Spirit as opposed to your “hermeneutics” or more of those (your words) “assiduous, careful, penetrating scholarship” writers. A good night to you ,Sir!
Onlookers (And David et al):
I primarily came by to give notice on a post on bamboo bahareque construction and related techniques as a technology for rebuilding in Haiti and for introducing more sustainable construction technologies in the wider region. (I assume Caribbean people and agencies will play a role in the rebuilding in Haiti. I have already been in touch with DfID, who just happen to be my next door neighbours.)
But also, i must observe: the predominant pattern above is sad, after 442 comments in a thread bearing the title: The Reconstruction And Transformation Of Haiti: A Global-Moral Imperative
In short, we see just how sadly effective is the usual radical secularist- Saul Alinsky advocacy strategy . . .
and the associated trifecta fallacy of breaking down civility and constructive discussion through distractive red herrings led away to strawmen soaked in slanderous ad hominems and ignited to cloud, confuse, polarise and choke the atmosphere.
(I do note to Zoe, that — never mind that much of what you said is in fact well established — you should not let ROK, Hood et al goad you into anger, per 2 Tim 2:23 – 26. Anon, thanks for a breath of fresh air dose of common sense. It is sad that that stands out by such sharp contrast with far too much of what is going on in the thread.)
On some serious further suggestions on rebuilding Haiti, I have this morning put up a blog post on some of the evidently transformational possibilities of Bahareque construction to move not only Haitian but wider Caribbean construction to a sustainable base, especially if we are willing to move to the use of Vegetable Steel bamboo — especially the Guadua angustifolia species. (BTW its formidable thorns will make a good self-protection against praedial larceny!)
As to the felt need for educational transformation of Haiti per an appreciated reproduction of a petition, I draw attention to earlier proposals along that line that I put up here and in my own blog (here from step by step point 28 on), starting with the implications of moderate constructivism and the possibilities of the One Laptop Per Child initiative. (BTW, I note too that there has been a breakthrough with plastic batteries, which would open up possibilities for that envisioned hoped for US$ 75 slate XO-3. BTW, this would immediately extend across the whole region, not just Haiti! Ialso advocate for a comprehensive regional distance educaiton initiative at secondary completion, associate and targetted first and second degree levels, using technologies such as Moodle, which is open source. An “adult” version of the OLPC XO-1, and later on the XO-3 would fit this niche very well. I would love to see a flexible, plastic letter-size of so tablet PC that becmes the key tool for students and educators across the region, making instantly available to every child and student and educator, a universal reference source, library and toolbox with all sorts of things including sophisticated calculators. Within five years I think this one is very feasible.)
This thread, in the end, is deeply revealing on the gaps in our capacity as a region; gaps which we need to recognise and face if we are to fix them and have hope for a better C21 than we have had a C20.
[Which gaps in turn have a lot to do with persistent poverty, persistent tendencies to make development strategy blunders, and the tendency to operate like crabs in a barrel pulling one another down into the lot heading for the boiling pot. Instead, why not cooperate to form a living rope by joining claw to claw, which would rapidly pull everybody out of the soon to be hot water pot! Then we can head back to our mangrove swamp and make sure we build a solid community there, and protect it so no more hunters will dare come to fetch us into another boiling pot.]
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PS: David et al, kindly note — again [I recognise that key insights that do not fit the template we bring to the situation need repetition to soak in . . . ] — that one of the key characteristics of a disaster is that it has overwhelming impact, so it is going to overload and swamp out local and even brought-in response capacity, especially at the front end. (And here we are dealing with the energetic equivalent of a nuclear attack on a city;this disaster is on an unprecedented scale for the Caribbean, and is worse than the Katrina disaster that hit New Orleans; which overwhelmed the US’ capacity even with no need for sea lift to reach the area.) That overwhelming characteristic is why triage is forced on early responders [who need understanding and support not harsh second guessing and criticism — there is time enough for “lessons learned” later on . . . ], and it is why moving on from First Response and Crisis Management to Stabilisation is a major phase transition of disaster management. The Rebuilding and Redevelopment phase is beyond that.
PPS: Onlookers who care for the truth, should note that slanders in recent BU threads insisted on in the teeth of correction by ROK and others that the Christian church teaches a blond, blue eyed white man’s god, and associated false and ill-founded (and corrected — and correction is not arrogance, Technician, nor is insistence on avoiding vulgar disrespect in terms of address — i.e suggestive and disrespectful name twisting as occurred above is improper) but insisted on assertions that the message of the Bible was a plagiarisation of Egyptian pagan thought helped enable and set up the climate for Hopi’s call to burn down churches — i.e. for arson. This issued in a warning by Zoe that he was going to communicate to the police, which I hope he has now done, as there are already instances of mass murder attacks on church services in the Caribbean.
PPPS: Finally, for those who seemingly cannot resist the opportunity to put their antisemitism on display, and for those who want a bit of balance, I strongly recommend here; it might be useful to stop off at the section, references, and look up Myths and Facts as a start.
@Dictionary
“Christian church teaches a blond, blue eyed white man’s god, and associated false and ill-founded…”
It is plain to see in every church, every bible with graphics, christian post cards, etc. What you trying to convince onlookers about? It is a fact. Stark staring fact and if you could deny this, then what else would you not deny?
What else have you come here with viewed by that same eye that glosses over the painting of christ? For you to deny the obvious, unhidden, for every eye to see, paintings and images of white, blue eyed christ is certainly a dent in your integrity.
@ Dictionary…..
I try not to respond to your posts but I must this time!
You can kiss Technician’s black arse!!
You think too much of yourself and I said that plain and simple, if you dont like it ..lump it.
I really dont know what you call my name for.
You only came back to lambaste people under the guise of bamboo construction for Haiti but in fact, as usual, you give Zoe a slap on the wrist and give kudos to Anon, who, as it can be seen even by this dumb dog, hijacked this thread.
Zoe berates others but yet still others are slanderous. I guess as long as you aint on your side, you must be evil…what a hypocrite you are….stupse!!
To hell with you Gordon Mullings !!
(I do note to Zoe, that — never mind that much of what you said is in fact well established — you should not let ROK, Hood et al goad you into anger, per 2 Tim 2:23 – 26.
As a Christian, he leaves a lot to be desired as well. this is a blog and you answers are typed and reread before posting, dont tell me that Zoe in his infinite wisdom dont know this!
How can you be goaded to anger on a blog?…You have lots of time to count to 10, just shows that Zoe is no different even though he tries hard to prove otherwise…..damn hypocrites!!
@the hood, As the most gifted anointed Apostle, Paul, said to the Galatians, so say I to you, and other LDS of your ilk:
“O FOOLISH Galatians, (LDS, et al) who hath BEWITCHED YOU, that ye (LDS, et al) should NOT OBEY THE TRUTH…Are ye (LDS, et al) so FOOLLISH…” (Gal. 3: 1a, 3a) emphasis added.
Again, as Paul said to the Corinthians, so say I to you LDS, et al:
“If anyman think himself to be a prophet, (i.e., Joseph Smith, et al) or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are commandments OF THE LORD ( NOT Joseph Smith et al)…BUT if any man be IGNORANT (LDS et al) let him (them) be IGNORANT.” (1 Cor. 14:37, 38) emphasis added.
Tell me, Hood-winked, you expect to *become* a god some day, as the LDS perverted, unbiblical teaching indicates, yes!
“Gods exist, and we had better strive to be prepared to be one with them'(gods!) (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.238).
“As man IS, God once WAS; as God IS, man may become” (Prophet Lorenzo Snow, quoted in Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, pp. 105, 106).
This quote from Mormonism, re (‘The Gospel Through the Ages, pp. 105, 106) is ANOTHER (heteros, FALSE) gospel, which we ARE WARNED to reject from God’s Word, the Bible.
Hear again from God’s WORD, the Bible, NOT the FALSE gospel of Mormonism:
“I marvel that ye (LDS, et al) are so soon removed from Him, that called you into the grace of Christ, unto ANOTHER gospel”
“Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you and would PERVERT the gospel (LDS et al) of Christ.” (Gal. 1: 6, 7) emphasis added.
Exegesis:
” Ye are so quickly removing (houtos tacheos metatithesthe). The present middle indicative of ‘metatitemi’, to change places, to transfer. “You are transferring yourselves” and doing it “so quickly” either from the time when the Judaizers came, (and the LDS et al) and tempted them. So easily some of them (like the LDS et al) are FALLING victims to these *perverters* of the Gospel. That is a continuous amazement (thaumazo) to Paul and men today that some many (LDS, JWs, SDA, et al) are SO SILLY and so GULLIBLE to modern as to ancient charlatans, ( LDS, JWs, SDA et al). “Unto a different gospel” ( eis heteron euaggelion). See on II Cor. 11″4 for distinction between ‘allo’ and ‘heteron’ as here. It is NOT here or there a mere difference in emphasis or spirit as in Phil. 1:8 so long as Christ is preached. These men (i.e., LDS, JWs, et al) as in II Cor. 11:4 preach “ANOTHER JESUS” and a “DIFFERENT GOSPEL” and SO have fallen away from grace and have done away with Christ (Gal. 5:4). Hence the vehemence of Paul’s words.”
“Which IS NOT another (ho ouk estin allo). It is NO “gospel” (good news) at ALL, but a yoke of BONDAGE (i.e., the LDS, JWs et al, ) to the law that is of grace, NOT WORKS. The relative ‘ho’ (which) refers to ‘heteron euaggelion’ ( a different gospel, i.e., LDS, et al) “taken as a single term, and designating the ERRONEOUS teachings of the Judaizers ( LDS, et al). Literally, “except,” that is, “Except in this sense,” in that IT IS an attempt to *pervert* the One True Gospel.” (Lightfoot). ‘Who disturb you ( hoi tarassontes). The disturbers. This very verb ‘tarasso’ is used in Acts 17:8 of the Jews in Thessalonica who “disturbed” the politarchs and the people about Paul. “Would pervert” ( thelontes metastrepsai). “Wish to turn about,” change completely as in Acts 2:20; James 4:9. The very existence of the Gospel of Christ was at stake.” (Word Pictures in The New Testament, Vol. IV, The Epistles of Paul, pp. 276, 277) emphasis added.
Now, let us hear as Paul in his righteous indignation, (anger) vehemently goes on to WARN the Galatians, about those who would PERVERT the Only True Gospel of Christ, as found only in God’s Word the Bible, NOT the extrabiblical, FALSE gospels as found in the Latter Day Saints of Mormonism, et al.
“But through we OR and angel (Moroni, LDS, et al) from heaven, preach any OTHER gospel unto you than THAT which we have preached unto you, LET him (LDS, et a) be ACCURSED.”
“As we said BEFORE, so say I now AGAIN, If any man (LDS et al) preach any OTHER gospel unto you, than that ye have received, let him (LDS et al) BE ACCURSED.” ( Gal. 1: 8, 9) emphasis added.
Exegesis:
“If we’ (ean hemeis). Condition of third class ( ‘ean’ and aorist middle subjunctive ‘euaggelisetai). Suppose I (literally plural) should turn renegade and preach “other than” (par ho), “contrary to that which we preached, ( as LDS et all have done). Preachers have turned AWAY from Christ, alas, and preached “humanism” or some other new-fangled notion (LDS, et al). The Jews termed Paul a renegade for leaving Judaism for Christianity. But, it was before Paul had seen Christ that he clung to the law. Paul IS dogmatic and positive here, FOR he KNOWS that he is standing upon solid ground, the fact of Christ dying for US and RISING again. He had seen the Risen Jesus Christ. NO angel (Moroni, et al) can change Paul now. “Let him be anathema” (anathema esto). See on I Cor. 12: 3 for this word.
“So say I now again” ( kai arti palin lego). Paul KNOWS that he has just made what some will consider an extreme statement. BUT, it is a deliberate one and not mere excitement. He will STAND by it to the end. He calls down a CURSE on ANY ONE (LDS, et al) who proclaims a gospel to them contrary to that which they had received from him.” (Ibid., p. 277) emphasis added.
Hood, the so-called Latter-day Saints of Mormonism, like other ‘Cults’ JWs, etc, have DONE exactly what the Apostle Paul, whom Almighty God, through the anointing of the Holy Spirit, WARNED the early Apostolic Church, in Galatians, to be on guard against, AND the Biblical imperative, injuction from God’s Word, the Bible, IS that ALL men/women, WHO would pervert the Only True Gospel of Christ, as SEALED in the Canon of New Testament Scripture, as the LDS and others have DONE, “…let him BE ACCURSED.” (Gal. 1: 9b).
You are in a terrible, deceived, state, with this Mormon FALSE, erroneous gospel, wrapped around you mind!
Imagine this egotistical jackass talking about strawmen!
The biggest strawman here is the one brought in by Zoe, who in his fanatical and overzealous style turned a thread about Haiti’s reconstruction into a crusade against the beliefs of Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists.
Call me what you like Dick, the floor is yours again.
Onlookers… (lmao)
See what I mean?
What has Zoe posted with any value to the reconstruction of Haiti?
Or maybe his dream is the destruction of Haiti…….ya never know!
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