Submitted by Crusoe (as a comment on the Haiti We Are Sorry blog
You list some good ideas for the structural retransformation of Haiti [Responding to Commenter Dictionary on the Haiti We Are Sorry blog]. Each in of themselves they do not depend on improved education but do depend on improved technical training (farming etc). However, for all, the long-term success of those initiatives individually and collectively leading to a successful Haiti will certainly also depend on improved education, if as we have been informed, the literacy level is so low.
This has two implications.
Firstly, immediately after initial search, rescue, medical, temporary (short and medium term) and security issues have been addressed as priority, the early reformation must include an immediate education programme, for adult and youth, such that the transformation of Haiti can begin with the active participation of her people, not as ‘serfs’ but as active individuals and communities with an understanding of the reasoning behind the methods and the aim of the methods.
I must add, that ‘transformation’ in this context is not meant to refer to bringing Haiti to the same philosophical outlook as anyone other specific group. In this context it is meant to refer to bringing Haiti to a level of self-capability and self-determination. Now, to expect say a three or four year ‘crash course’ in education and technical skills may seem either impossible or unrealistic, but unfortunately, if this is not done as one of the foundations of the rebuilding (in the context of not only structural, but as a nation of people), than all else may eventually prove futile.
This is obviously along the lines of the old phrase of teaching a man to fish instead of giving him the fish. Merely putting up structures, farms etc may certainly alleviate some misery, but while in the short term foreign contractors etc may gain much from the aid given for this purpose, the long-term goal should be to have Haitians and not only elite, but the everyday Haitian, benefit from money flows and thus create an independent people and a vibrant economy.
It is my view therefore Caricom leaders, should address the education of Haiti, as a priority, as much a priority as any other redevelopment effort.
To reinforce a point, the initial effort must not only be to set up an improved schooling system, but implement as an interim measure, an ’emergency education programme’, with the help of international authorities and the Haitian authorities. If one wants a long-term Haiti, this is essential.
We must give thanks yet again, that Errol Barrow saw the necessity of education as a developmental tool. And, we must forever resist ANY attempts to take free education from Barbadians. Indeed, those of us who wish for an improved world, must seek the furtherance of a sound even if basic education, for all peoples, as a necessity for development.
1,421 responses to “The Reconstruction And Transformation Of Haiti: A Global-Moral Imperative”
ZOE,
So, Indonesia was punished because the majority religion is Muslim?
That is just silly.
This is exactly why the politicians can pretend that wars are religion based, rather than power, because each member of the various ‘deeply religious’ sections, believe that they alone are right and all else is bollocks.
As for California, no.
It will happen, because California is on a fault line.
If you drivc your car at eighty miles per hour rather than fifty, every day, does the probability not rise, that you will have an accident?
Of course, Barbados’s catstrophe, may be hurricane rather than quake, or not.
We all have our issues, but that is nature.
”atan’s strongholds, just a matter of time, like all the rest of nations!
Zoe, you note, ”NO, Crusoe, our souls after death do not just, “…move on into the next level of existence, what ever that is” and ‘I realize that this does not accord with your Worldview, but, that is the way it is!”
a) Yes they do.
We can agree to disagree.
b) No it is not.
We can agree to disagree.
I have no problem with you believing what you believe, it works for you.
What I believe, maybe even ‘know’, works for me.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/202238-The-Terror-Card-Fear-is-the-Key-to-Obedience
“You are WRONG to tell the TRUTH! QUOTING SCRIPTURE IS ILLEGAL ON BU AND IN BARBADOS NOW.”
Does it help? Except to demonise people and try to drive unnecessary fear in their hearts? It equates to mental and psychological terrorism. Take a hint from freewilly above. This is what christians practice; fearmongering to try to control people to make them do what you “believe” is right. It has no logical, no fact or no practical base. Let me paste in the salient part:
Fear is the key to obedience
Man’s self-awareness is the progenitor of his alienation, fear, egocentrism, and anxiety; therefore, the unexamined life is worth living for the human herds, because it gives them a sense of false security and pseudo-belonging. Fear is the ulcer of the masses that cripples their psyche and vanquishes their freedom.
Biblically speaking, fear was always used by the clergies to ensure that people would obey the rules that were allegedly bestowed by God upon humanity to avoid burning in hell. These rules were actually written by men to control the masses and to perpetuate the power of the religious leaders. As a result, telling the truth and challenging the establishment will only lead to ridicule, crucifixion, and death.
Unfortunately, fear is the driving force and the main psychological component of terror. Fear incapacitates people and renders them impotent. Fear is conducive to regressive behaviors by responsible adults, where people become dependent on an illusory parent figure like the government or a corporation per example, in order to protect them from the evildoers. So they become willing to relinquish their most intimate and sacred rights in order to feel safe.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/202238-The-Terror-Card-Fear-is-the-Key-to-Obedience
“I will deal tomorrow morning with Mormonism in detail.”
More lies and deceit. Fearmonger. Believe in Zoe’s form of christianity or else. How egotistical can you get with a mere belief?
Zoe said:-“I will deal tomorrow morning with Mormonism in detail.”
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Zoe, my friend, you can choose to”deal” with or not “deal” with, that’s a matter entirely left to you, However, unless you want your immortal soul to be utterly tormented, I would suggest you leave well enough alone!! Your choice. Do not interfere with the Lord’s work! A word to the wise should be enough. I hope you will be wise enough to accept this!!
the Hood
Are you a mormon?
You wrote the following
” However, unless you want your immortal soul to be utterly tormented, I would suggest you leave well enough alone!! Your choice. Do not interfere with the Lord’s work! A word to the wise should be enough. I hope you will be wise enough to accept this!!”
Is this a threat?
Is this not fear mongering too?
@Technician
Next week Catholics?
Then Anglicans?
Why not? Its a lot of fun!
Then you and Rok and Hopi can rant and rave, and now you have the hood to join you.
Exciting times a head. If kikki can post and everyone else can post thier opinions about this, that and the other, I think that Zoe should be allowed to post too. LOL This is my humble opinion.
More lies and deceit. Fearmonger. Believe in Zoe’s form of christianity or else. How egotistical can you get with a mere belief?
Dont believe in Zoe’s form of christianity and you are WRONG! And you can say anything you like about his opinions.
How egotistical can you get with a mere belief?
Is your opinion not also a belief- your belief?
Why is everyone entitled to thier belief but Zoe is not entitled to his?
Is this a democracy? LOL
@the hood, Yes, man, the Mormons, like other ‘Cults’ JWs, Christian Science, SDA, and other false religions are here to STAY, until the Lord’s Judgment falls on ALL of them!!!
Isn’t it interesting that the Mormons, Joseph Smith Jr; Jehovah’s Witnesses, Charles T. Russell, and Judge J.F. Rutherford; and Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, the SDS, Ellen G. White; modern day ‘Cults’ ALL claim to have received some ‘distinct’ NEW revelation from God for this End Time era, EACH one contradicting the OTHER, and EACH one, claiming to BE the only true end time revelation!
No wonder that The Lord Jesus Christ said to His disciples in response to their their question:
“And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying. Tell us when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of thy coming, and the END of the world”
“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take HEED that NO MAN *deceive* you…And MANY FALSE prophets shall arise, and shall DECEIVE many.” (Matt. 24: 3, 4, 11) emphasis added.
The Canon of Almighty God’s Word, the Bible was sealed with the completion of the Book of Revelation.
Almighty God GAVE three stern, emphatic WARNINGS, in His Word, the Bible, NOT to ADD, or TAKE AWAY from His historic divine Revelation.
The first warning is found in the early part of the Old Testament:
“Ye shall NOT ADD UNTO the word which I command you, NEITHER shall ye diminish ought from it” (Deut. 4:2a) emphasis added.
The second serious warning is found in the middle of Scripture:
“Add NOT unto His word, lest He reprove thee and thou be FOUND A LIAR” (Prov. 30:6) emphasis added.
And, the third and final warning is found in the Book of Revelation 22: 18-19.
ALL of these ‘cult’ leaders, from Joseph Smith, (Mormons), C.T. Russell and Judge Rutherford ( JWs), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), Ellen G. White (SDA), and others, have ALL violated this imperative from God’s Word, the Bible, claiming some NEW revelation, entirely outside of the Canon of God’s Word, vehemently CONTRADICTING, by either ADDING to, or TAKING AWAY from, the central doctrinal *content* and essence of Scripture, the Bible, which we are commanded to:
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you, and EXHORT you that ye should EARNESTLY *contend* for the *faith* (body of doctrinal TRUTH) which was *ONCE* delivered unto the saints. For certain men crept in unwares, who were before of old ordained to this CONDEMNATION, ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 1: 3,4) emphasis added.
The word ‘ONCE delivered unto the saints.” (v.3b) . ONCE is from the Greek word ‘hapax’ numerical concept, meaning the DOCTRINAL content of the *FAITH* was given ONCE, in the sealed Canon of God’s Word, the Bible; hence, the WARNING, not to ADD, or TAKE away from it.
This IS exactly what Joseph Smith Jr, et al, have DONE, they were all terribly deceived by Satan, WHO has always sought to ADD or take AWAY from God’s Word, as he did with Eve in the very beginning in Genesis, decieving mankind throughout the ages, and AFTER 1,800 YEARS, the Devil comes within the last 180 years or so, with his same TRICKS, to ADD or take AWAY from God’s Word, and Joseph Smith, (Mormons) is just another ‘Cult’ masquerading under the banner of Christianity, through whom the devil has sought to twist, pervert, and malign God’s Word!
If you DON’T know the Truth, you’ll be deceived!
The structure of justification, in defending ANY propositional TRUTH claim, IS coherence, coherence IS our sole criterion for TRUTH.
Jesus Christ and His Word, contained in the Bible, IS absolute TRUTH; not the extrabiblical writings of Joseph Smith (Mormon) or any other Cultist.
Now, Mormonism, is a very complex, complicated ‘Cult’ using the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to mislead and decieve many.
Let us hear from Dr. Walter Martin, as he describes the deceit of Joseph Smith.
“I return now to the central character of our survey, Joseph Smith, Jr. The year 1820 proved to be the real beginning of the prophet’s call, for in that year he was allegedly the recipient of a marvelous vision in which God the Father and God the Son materialized and spoke to young Smith as he piously prayed in a neighboring wood. The prophet records the incident in great detail in his book, ‘The Pearl of Great Price’ (Joseph Smith – History 1:1-25), wherein he reveals that two ‘personages’ took a rather dim view of the Christian church, and for that matter of the world at large, and announced that a restoration of true Christianity was needed, and that he Joseph Smith, Jr, had been chosen to launch the new dispensation.” (Ibid., p. 170).
“Joseph Smith, Jr, in 1820, claimed a heavenly vision which, he said, singled him out as the Lord’s anointed prophet for this dispensation, though it was not until 1823, with the appearance of the angel Moroni at the quaking Smith’s bedside, that Joe began his relationship to the fabulous “golden plates” or what was to become the ‘Book of Mormon.”
“According to Smith’s account of this extradionary revelation, which is recorded in the ‘Pearl of Great Price’ (Joseph Smith- History 1:29-54), the angel Moroni, the glorified son of one Mormon, the man for whom the famous book of the same name is entitled, appeared beside Joseph’s bedside and thrice repeated his commission to the alledgedly awe-struck treasure hunter. Smith did not write this account down until some years later, but even that fails to excuse the blunder he made in transmitting the angelic proclamation. This confusion appears chiefly in the earlier edition of the ‘Pearl of Great Price’ wherein the former Moroni is named as messenger, yet in the latter, Joseph, with equal prophetic authority, identifies the messenger as Nephi, an entirely different character found in the Book of Mormon! This unfortunate crossing up of the divine communication system was later remedied by thoughtful Mormon scribes who have exercised great care to ferret out all the historical and factual blunders not readily explainable in the writings of Smith, Young and other early Mormon writers. In current editions, therefore, both the ‘revelations’ agree by identifying Moroni as the midnight visitor. However, whether Nephi or Moroni carried the message to Smith apparently makes little difference to the faithful”
“In 1827 Smith claimed to receive the golden plates upon which the ‘Book of Mormon’ is alleged to have been written. Shortly after this historic find, unearthed in the hill Cumorah near Palmyra, New York, Smith began to ‘translate’ the ‘reformed Egyptian” hieroglyphics inscribed thereupon by means of the ‘Urim and Thummim,” a type of miraculous spectacles which the always thoughtful angel Moroni had the foresight to provide for the budding seer. The account of how Smith went about “translating” the plates and the attendant difficulties with one Martin Harris, his wife, and Professor Charles Anthon, a noted scholar, will be dealt with more fully later in this chapter. However, the plot is obvious to anyone who is even basically informed concerning the real character of Joseph Smith; so we will continue with the prophets’s history.” (Ibid., p. 172).
This is just a glimmer at the character Joseph Smith, Jr, and his deluded deception in the so-called ‘Book of Mormon.
Satan’s methods of deceiving people, is amazingly varied, as he has a plaster for every ignorant man or woman, who DON’T know the absolute Truth of God’s Word, and are extremely susceptible to his devices of ‘visions’ always bringing some new revelation, to either ADD or TAKE AWAY, from God’s Word, the Bible.
Stay tuned for more of this deadly deception of the ‘Book of Mormon.
@ Anon…
@Technician
Next week Catholics?
Then Anglicans?
Why not? Its a lot of fun!
Then you and Rok and Hopi can rant and rave, and now you have the hood to join you.
You really must be a Johnnie-come-lately fa trute.
Technician dont need any team or partners…I speak what is on my mind and I ask questions to find answers.
I just dont see what pulling down others religions will prove when everyone of them is about faith/belief in its self. I still searching to find which is the true one.
….In future ,,,johnnie-come-lately people like you should pick a number and get in line.
Technician
I also speak what is on my mind. ha ha
and i dont need to pick a number and get in line, at all ha ha .
you say that you just dont see what pulling down others religions will prove when everyone of them is about faith/belief in its self.
even if it is only an academic exercise Zoe’s posts are most informative to me.
i am searching too just like you
but i was taught that we protestants are all following the Holy Bible
what Zoe seems to be doing as far as I can see (while I wait in line having picked my number) is comparing the “beliefs” of the “cults” with what the Bible says.
if he is interpreting the Bible correctly it seems to a johny come lately like me that the “cults” have deviated from the Bible.
if he is indeed correct as a seeker you should want to sift through what he says if it is indeed true that you are still searching to find which is the true one.
does this make any sense?
@ the hood, Man, let me make it abundantly clear to you, I FEAR no Cult, or for that matter any other man, or false religion, why not?
“For I am persuaded, that neither DEATH, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nothings things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any creature, shall be able to SEPARATE us (Me) from the Love of God, which IS IN Christ Jesus our Lord.” ( Romans 8: 37-39) emphasis added.
The utter *BALONEY* that the Demonic false angel *Moroni* deceived that false prophet Joseph Smith, Jr, with, a LIE from the pit-of-hell, does not move me one way or the other, as my immortal soul, rest in my Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, NOT some spurious FALSE DOCTRINE, from the Book of Mormons!
Joseph Smith, Jr, WAS a deluded, deceived false prophet and LIAR!
Here is one such documented account of his fradulent ways, dealt with by Dr, Walter Martin, in ‘Kingdom of The Cults.’
“The purpose of the Book of Mormons and its mission generally eludes Christian theologians, archeologists, and students of Anthroplogy because of the many difficulties which the book introduces in the light of already established FACTS.”
“For the Mormons, then, the Bible predicts the Book of Mormons; the Book of Mormons interprets the Old Testament prophecy and it claims to be part of the new covenant to Israel. It is also supposed to be “another witness” to the truth of the Christian Gospel. It is unfortunate for the Mormons that this witness IS SO often found in conflict with the Biblical revelation, as we shall see. It is at the very least a gross asumption UNJUSTIFIED by any of the internal evidence of the book or the testimony of science and history, that the ‘Book of Mormons’ should be considered “part of the new covenant” in any sense.” (Ibid., pp.179,180) emphasis added throughout.
Scientific Evidence Against the Book of Mormon.
“In an attempt to validate and justify the claims of the Book of Mormon, the highest authority in Mormonisn, Joseph Smith, Jr, the Mormon prophet, realted an event which, if true, would add significant weight to some of the Mormon claims for their Bible. Fortunately, it IS A FACT on which a good deal of evidence can be brought to bear.”
“Smith put forth a claim in the book, ‘Pearl of Great Price’, (Joseph Smith – History 1:62-64, 1982 edition), and it is worthwhile to examine it:”
Hear Joseph Smith:
“…I commenced copying the characters off the plates. I copied a considerable number of them, and by means of the Urim and Thummim I translated some of them…Mr. Martin Harris came to our place, got the characters which I had drawn off the plates, and started with them to the city of New York. For what took place relative to him and the characters, I refer to his own account, which is as follows: “I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation WAS CORRECT, more so than ANY OTHER he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which WERE NOT yet translated, and HE SAID that they were EGYPTIAN, Chaldiac, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters” (Section 2, verse 62, 63, 64)” (Ibid., pp.180, 181)
What a LIAR!!!
“According to Joseph Smith then, Martin Harris, his colleague, obtained from the learned Professor Charles Anthon of Columbia University, a validation of Smith’s translation of the reformed EGYPTIAN hieroglyphic characters found on the plates which MORONI made available to him. The difficulty with Smith’s statement is that Professor Anthon NEVER SAID any such thing, and fortunately he went on RECORD in a lengthy letter to Mr. E.D. Howe, a contemporary of Joseph Smith who did one of the most thorough jobs of research on the Mormon prophet and the origins of Mormonisn extant. Howe has NEVER been refuted, and because of this he IS feared and HATED by Mormon historians and not a few contemporary Mormons.”
“Upon learing of Smith’s CLAIM concerning Professor Anthon, Mr. Howe wrote him at Columbia. Professor Anthon’s letter reproduced here from Howe’s own collection IS A CLASSIC piece of EVIDENCE the Mormons would like very much to see forgotten.”
Here is Professor Anthon’s letter to Mr. Howe, proving Joseph Smith a liar!
New York, N.Y., Feb. 17, 1834
Mr. E.D. Howe
Painseville, Ohio.
Dear Sir:
“I received this morning your favor of the 9th instant, and LOSE no time in making a reply. The whole story about my having pronounced the MORMONITE inscription to be “reformed Edyptian hieroglyphics” IS PERFECTLY FALSE. Some years ago, a plain, and apparently simplehearted farmer, called upon me with a note from Dr. Mitchell of our city, now deceased, requesting me to decipher, if possible, a paper, which the farmer would hand me, and which Dr. Mitchell confessed he had been unable to understand. Upon examining the paper in question, I soon came to the conclusion that IT WAS ALL A TRICK, perhaps a HOAX. When I asked the person, who brought it, how he obtained the writing, he gave me, as far as I can now recollect, the following account: ‘A “gold book,” consisting of a number of plates of gold, fastened together in the shape of a book by wires of the same metal, had been dug up in the nothern part of the state of New York, and along with the book an enormous PAIR of “gold spectacles” These spectacles were so LARGE, that, if a person attempted to look through them, his two eyes would have to be turned towards one of the glasses merely, the spectacles in question being altogether too large for the breadth of the human face. Whoever examined the plates through the spectacles, was enabled not only to read them, but fully to understand their meaning. All this knowledge, however, was confirmed at the time to a young man, who had the trunk containing the book and spectacles in his sole possession. This young man was placed behind a curtain, in the garret of a farm house, and, being thus concealed from view, put on the spectacles, or, rather, looked through one of the glasses, deciphered the characters in the book, and, having committed some of them to paper, handed copies from behind the curtain, to those who stood on the outside. Not a word, however, was said about the plates having been deciphered “by the gift of God.” Everything, in this way, was effected by the large pair of spectacles. The farmer added, that he had been requested to contribute a sum of money towards the publication of the “golden book.” the contents of which would, as he had been assured, produce an entire change in the world and save it from ruin. So urgent had been the solicitatons, that he intended selling his farm and handing over the amount received to those who wished to publish the plates. As a last precautionary step, however, he had resolved to come to New York, and obtain the opinion of the learned about the meaning of the paper which he brought with him, and which had been given him as a part of the contents of the book, although NO translation had been furnished at the time by the young man with the spectacles. On hearing this ODD story, I changed my opinion about the paper, and, instead of viewing it any longer as a hoax upon the learned, I began to regard it as a part of a SCHEME to CHEAT the farmer of his money, and I communicated my suspicions to him, warning him to beware of ROGUES.
He requested an opinion from me in writing, which of course I declined giving, and he then took his leave carrying the paper with him. This paper was in fact a singular scrawl. It consisted of all kinds of crooked characters disposed in columns, and had evidently been prepared by some person who had before him at the time a book containing various alphabets, Greek, and Hebrew letters, crosses and flourishes, Roman letters inverted or placed sideways, were arranged in perpendicular columns, and the whole ended in a rude delineation of a circle, divided into various compartments, decked with various strange marks, and evidently copied after the Mexican Calender given by Humboldt, but copied in such a way as NOT to betray the source whence it was derived. I am thus particular as to the contents of the paper, inasmuch as I have frequently conversed with my friends on the subject, since the Mormonite excitement began, and well, remember that the paper contained anything else but “Egyptian Hieroglyphics.” Some time after, the same farmer paid me a second visit. He brought with him the golden book in print, and offered it to me for sale. I declined purchasing. He then asked permission to leave the book with me for examination. I declined receiving it, although his manner was strangely urgent. I adverted once more to the ROGUERY which had been in my opinion practiced upon him, and asked him what had become of the gold plates. He informed me that they were in a trunk with a large pair of spectacles. I advised him to go to a magistrate and have the trunk examined. He said the “curse” of God would come upon him should he do this. On my pressing him, however, to pursue the course which I recommended, he told me that he would open the trunk, if I would take the “curse” of God upon myself. I replied that I would do so with the greatest willingness, and would incur everyb risk of that matter, provided I could only extricate him from the grasp of the ROGUES. He then left me.”
“I Have thus given you a FULL statement of ALL that I know respecting the origin of Mormonism, and must BEG you, as a personal favor, to publish this letter immediately, should you find my name mentioned again by the WRETCHED FANATICS.”
Yours respectfully,
Charles Anthon, LL.D.
Columbia University.”
(Ibid., pp. 181, 182)
This is just scratching the surface of the fraud and false prophet, that Joseph Smith, Jr, was!!!
Remember Jesus’ warning to His disciples:
“…Take HEED that NO MAN deceive you.” (Matthew 24: 4b)
Hood, my boy, you have being ‘Hoodwinked’ duped, BIG-TIME!!!
BU et al…………………
It seems to me that only Zoe is right about whatever he posts here. As far as he is concerned any other belief other than his own is the spawn of satan.
Well if all the other denominations apart from Zoe’s own are Satan’s followers, I wonder what Zoe is following going by his prolific fanatical spouting here on BU. From Zoe’s examples here week after week I would much rather go worship a tree or the moon or anything else than what he suggests!
Zoe you are in for some terrible times if you continue to blaspheme the way you are doing here or anywhere else. But, you know, the Lord has a way of always allowing a man enough rope with which he can hang himself. So go right ahead, my friend, the choice is yours.
@ Anon…
i am searching too just like you
but i was taught that we protestants are all following the Holy Bible
No Anon..not like me!
You have started your search with premeditated thoughts, opinions and positions.
the hood
are you a mormon man ?
As an “onlooker” You are totally wrong! Zoe is not the one who is right about whatever he posts here, because he is always contradicted by you, Technician, Rok, Hopi, CH and others.
The above named are the ones who is right about whatever they post on BU.
Zoe has the right to believe what he wishes and to think as he likes. Just as you and all the others who criticize him think.
Every body has the right to say what they like on BU except Zoe
As an “onlooker” it seems to me that Zoe compares the beliefs or known teachings of cults to what the Bible teaches, or his interpretation of the bible What is wrong with that? If the Mormons say that they following the bible but adding and subtracting from it then the man right to say what he said.
The man produce information that is supposedly available in well known books by folk in his discipline. None of you guys have produced anything.
There is no need to wonder what Zoe is following going by his prolific fanatical spouting here on BU. He says that he is following the Bible. And he quotes it consistently and give examples and evidence of some degree of scholarship that I don’t see in any other poster here on BU. Why do you call the man a fanatic because he believes and defends his belief in the Bible.
I have never heard you called kiki for the irrelevant things it posts on only religious blogs. I have never heard you call Rok or Hopi fanatics about their obvious hatred for chrisianity, the bible or the god of the bible.
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I cant see how you think that it is better to go worship a tree or the moon or anything else than what he suggests, just because you think that Zoe is a fanatic.
Can you explain or define the word blaspheme and show how Zoe is guilty of blaspheming .
I agree with you though that the Lord has a way of always allowing a man enough rope with which he can hang himself. You think that he will only deal with Zoe for blaspheming or you think that he will also deal with others who might really be blaspheming on BU or who blaspheme just like Zoe does.
Hood , tell me though you ever hear about the unforgiveable sin?
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@ Anon // February 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM
You asked:- “Hood , tell me though you ever hear about the unforgiveable sin?”
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Seems as if you could now be on the right track if you can tell me what you know about this “unforgivable sin”.
As an “onlooker” You are totally wrong! Zoe is not the one who is right about whatever he posts here, because he is always contradicted by you, Technician, Rok, Hopi, CH and others.
Man look Anon, you trying to pick a noise?
Tek ma name out ya mout man!!
Where do I try to contradict Zoe in terms of his religious beliefs?
I have always said that Zoe, GP, and Dictionary are brilliant, well read, educated men….HOWEVER…. what I dont like about Zoe and D, is their (IMHO) condescending and arrogant ATTITUDE as Christians.
Like I said you are a johnnie-come-lately, who looking to stir up the pot to make a name.
@Anon // February 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM
“it seems to me that Zoe compares the beliefs or known teachings of cults to what the Bible teaches, or his interpretation of the bible…..”
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Anon,
What you don’t realise is that Zoe and all of his ilk put THEIR spin on what they THINK are the beliefs of others. Also, they go by THEIR interpretations of the scriptures (intellectual,man-inspiried interpretations) and not by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
You following the gist??
People like Zoe et al would like to tell Mormons and others what they THINK that these other denominations believe!
@ Anon…
Reread your post to “the hood”and tell me in all fairness if you are searching with an open mind or if, as I have pointed out before, premeditated thoughts and opinions.
Just look at how quick you are to dismiss the hood’s belief…and you say you searching too, man you know you done find what you were looking for…ROFLMAO!!
What you don’t realise is that Zoe and all of his ilk put THEIR spin on what they THINK are the beliefs of others.
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Why would they do that, when there are testimonies of many persons and several books written by ex followers of the cults that are available for a person like Zoe or others to read and study and come to their own conclusions.
Also, they go by THEIR interpretations of the scriptures (intellectual,man-inspiried interpretations)
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Do you have proof of this?
Are the interpretations of the scriptures done by cult founders not also intellectual,man-inspiried interpretations?
and not by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
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So you are saying that the SDA’s and the Mormons are acting under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and Zoe is not? Can you prove this? Or give examples to indicate that he is not acting under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that the cult founders were?
have you carefully examined what he has written, man?
You following the gist??
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NO I DONT.
People like Zoe et al would like to tell Mormons and others what they THINK that these other denominations believe!
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What the Mormons and other denominations believe can easily be found in libraries or on the net.
The book of Mormon that the mormons distrbute can also be compared with the Bible is this not so?
Technician
i am perhaps further on in my search than you are
how can you say that i am not in all fairness searching with an open mind
how do you know that i am not wavering and tossed about by every wind of teaching?
i am always searching man
searching the internet
searching books
listening to men on tv
See why I still searching and still sifting through things before I make or come to any conclusions?..lol
As Zoe and GP has said before, truth always wins out, just need to know what is the truth.
@ Anon,
Go for it man. Like Technician has already said to you………” you seem to have already found what you are looking for”, so go for it!!
Lef me outa da. I have said what I have said and that’s it! QED! (Quod Erat Demonstratum)
Man what wavering what?!?
You think I now come town?
You are correct when you say you are further along than I am because you ready to tear to shreds other beliefs, I dont care who prays to what, if a man feel good with a tree as his God, so be it for him but who am I to condemn anyone’s beliefs?
The fact that you are even quoting the Bible should tell where you searching had led. So you are right …you real further ahead than I am…..lol.
the hood
Lef me outa da. I have said what I have said and that’s it! QED! (Quod Erat Demonstratum)
All you have proved is that having met up with a road block in the form of my logical challenge of your opinion that you chose to opt out. You can not answer one of the fair an reasonable and logical questions that I asked you. Admittedly that is better than talking more shit as the Dean of shit talking on BU does.
But if you and everyone else on BU are entitled to have and state your/thier beliefs, so should Zoe. I think that is only fair.
@All, wait until tomorrow morning, when I’ll expose Joseph Smith, Jr, a bit more for the fraud and false prophet he was, and we’ll see who BLASPHEMED the Holy Spirit of God, WHO Inspired the Word of God, the Bible; NOT the fraudlent, perversions of the ‘Book of Mormon.’!!!
http://www.infowars.com/whats-quaking-whats-shaking/
@ Zoe
Go, man, go!! Is fire and brimstone from you tomorrow!
If that is what gets your rocks off by all means go right ahead and have your fun. But be warned, I have lived to see better and greater than you fall by the wayside after trying to interfere with the work of the Lord!
@ Zoe
I can just picture you now………….clothes all askew, jacket flapping as fast as your hands are flinging, hair all in disarray, with spittle flying from your mouth as you stand on your soap box on some corner somewhere or other as you fanatically try to refute an organisation that has stood the test of time with all and sundry trying for over more than 180 years trying to do what you are now doing. But rest assured, the Lord has began His final pruning as well as His final reaping of His vineyard in this the last dispensation and you, and no one like you, will be able to prevent His work & Doctrine being poured out amongst His children in these the latter days by the hands of His servants, namely, those of
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints! Get used to it, Bro. Zoe or whomsoever you may be! And this, I hope, is my final say on this matter.
the hood
You picture Zoe as if he is crazy lol
clothes all askew,
jacket flapping as fast as your hands are flinging,
hair all in disarray,
with spittle flying from your mouth as you stand on your soap box on some corner somewhere or other as you fanatically try to refute an organisation that has stood the test of time with all and sundry trying for over more than 180 years trying to do what you are now doing.
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hood
do you realize that you are sounding more like a fanatic than Zoe
The Mormons have been around for 180 years and if its teachings does not line up with the bible then it has been wrong for 180 years?
Wait isnt this a white man religion from Utah USA. That makes it better than a european religion right? LOL
what does standing the test of time mean man. The SADA’ and JW’s have stood the test of time too, but if their teaching is different to the the bible teaching should we not independent investigators point this out?
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But rest assured, the Lord has began His final pruning as well as His final reaping of His vineyard in this the last dispensation
how do you know this? can you prove this? you say final reaping of his vineyard ; has he reaped before? when? where? why? how?
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and you, and no one like you, will be able to prevent His work & Doctrine being poured out amongst His children in these the latter days by the hands of His servants, namely, those of
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints! Get used to it, Bro. Zoe or whomsoever you may be! And this, I hope, is my final say on this matter.
man hood you come out amd admit that you are a mormon LOL
you ranting and ranting worse than Zoe man.
so the The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints pouring out doctrine, and Zoe cant pour out doctrine too? wuh ya telling me at all man.
seems that you is a mormon fanatic.
so tell us why the mormons only come out 180 years ago? what was happening all the time before that?you mean to say the Lord was not pouring out any doctrine then?
where is Rok to sort you out man? if it was Zoe he woulda been riding he back long time ha ha
@ Anon
A jolly good night to you, Sir. I’m off to try and get some shuteye so as to be fresh and ready to face another beautiful day tomorrow if it be so granted me by the powers that be.
What marvelous blessings I have to be grateful for that Heavenly Father showers on me daily! So g’night and may you and Zoe and all others continue to have a Godly walk.
What about that Field Hospital Thompson?
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Imagine, our wait-and-see Prime Minister wanted to land in Haiti but could not.
He had a grand scheme to set up a medical hospital in Haiti, despite the known shortage of money, nurses, and pharmaceuticals in Barbados.
But why is our wait-and-see PM now so silent on Haiti, especially given that his incompetent DLP – is the only government in CARICOM, which has not contributed funds to the Haiti relief Effort from it Treasury.
Here is what the Jamaican Gleaner is reporting:
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“FACED WITH a ballooning price tag, and with promised financial assistance slow in coming, the Government has decided to pull the plug on elements of its relief efforts in Haiti.
Less than 72 hours after The Gleaner first reported that financial challenges could force Jamaica to withdraw its soldiers, medical team and firefighters from Haiti, Information Minister Daryl Vaz used yesterday’s post-Cabinet media briefing to announce that the pull back has started.
“I think we recall that the minister of national security (Dwight Nelson) indicated that there would be a need to withdraw the troops out of Haiti based on the cost of approximately $773,000 per day and the fact that, up until now, we have not been able to get any funding to carry this operation,” Vaz said as he pointed to a story carried by The Gleaner on Monday.
According to Vaz, the Government has already racked up a bill of approximately $40 million, with only token contribution from other regional states.”
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20100204/lead/lead1.html
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Mr. Wait-And_See Prime Minister Thompson, what about the field hospital you promised Haitians.
Is this yet another in your incompetent Government’s, never-ending-series of broken promises?
Further to my post yesterday re Professor Anthon’s letter exposing the ‘fraud’ that Joseph Smith, Jr, WAS, and his ‘Book of Mormon’ Dr. Martin has these pertinent comments:
“Professor Anthon’s letter IS both revealing and DEVASTATING where Smith’s and Harris’ veracity are concerned. We might also raise the question as to how Professor Anthon could say that the *characters* shown to him by Martin Harris and authorized by Joseph Smith AS part of the material copied from the revelation of the Book of Mormon were *EGYPTIAN, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic* when the Book of Mormon ITSELF declares that the characters WERE “reformed Egyptian,” the language of the Nephites. Since the language of the Book of Mormons was kmown to ‘NONE OTHER PEOPLE.” how would it be conceivably POSSIBLE for Professor Anthon to have testified as to the accuracy of Smith’s translation? To this DATE, NO ONE has EVER been able to find even the SLIGHTEST trace of the language known as *reformed Egyptian*, and ALL reputable linguists who examined the EVIDENCE put forth by the Mormons have REJECTED THEM AS MYTHICAL.” (Kingdom of The Cults, pp.182,183) emphasis added.
Hood, the “Book of Mormon” IS A FRADULENT document, a big LIE!!!
Just like Mormonism, other CULTS, are apparently prospering and florishing, this IS absolutely NO indication that they ARE of the Lord, for ALL of them, just like Mormonisn, HAVE vitiated, maligned, and convoluted, the WORD OF GOD, the Bible, their JUDGMENT lies ahead, for deceiving so many!
Hear Dr. Martin as his meticulous research on the Book of Mormon, once again reveal its fradulent origin.
Anachronisms and Contradictions.
“Not only does the Book of Mormon *plagairize* heavily from the King James Bible, BUT it betrays a great lack of information and background on the subject of world history and the history of the Jewish people. The Jaredites apparently enjoyed glass windows in the miraculous barges in which they crossed the ocean; and “steel” and a “compass” were known to Nephi despite the FACT that NEITHER had been INVENTED, demonstrating ONCE again that Joseph Smith was a poor student of history and of Hebrew customs.”
“Laban, one of the characters of the Book of Mormon ( 1 Nephi 4:9), makes use of a steel sword; and Nephi himself claims to have had a steel bow ( the Mormons justify this by quoting Psalm 18:34 as a footnote in the Book of Mormon), but modern translations of the Scripture indicate that the word translated ‘steel’ in the Old Testament (since steel was nonexistent) is more properly rendered bronze.”
“Mormons sometimes attempt to defend Nephi’s possession of a compass (not in existence in his time) by the fact that Acts 28: 13 states: “And from thence we fetched a compass.” Modern translations of the Scripture, however, refute this subterfuge by correctly rendering the passage: “And from there, we made a circle.”
“Added to the the preceding anachronisms IS the FACT that the Book of Mormon not only CONTRADICT the Bible, but contradicts other revelation purporting to come from the same God who inspired the Book of Mormon. The Bible declares that the Messiah of Israel was to be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), and the gospel of Matthew (chapter 2, verse 1) records the fulfillment of this prophecy. BUT the Book of Mormon (Alma 7:9, 10) states: “…the son of God cometh upon the face of the earth. And behold he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem, which is the land of our forefathers…”
“The Book of Mormon describes Jerusalem as a city ( 1 Nephi 1:4) as was Bethlehem, so the contradiction is irreconcilable.”
“There are also a number of instances where God did not agree with Himself, if indeed it is supposed that He had anything to do with the inspiration of the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrine and Covenants, OR other recorded utterances of Joseph Smith.”
“In the Book of Mormon, for instance, (3 Nephi 12:2 and Moroni 8:11) the remission of sins is the result of baptism: “Yea, blessed are they who shall…be baptized, for they shall…receive the remission of their sin…Behold baptism is unto us repentance to the fulfilling of the commandments unto the remission of sin.”
“But in the Doctrine and Covnants (Secitin 20, verse 37), the direct opposite is stated: “All who humble themselves…and truly manifest by their works that they have received of the spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins, shall receive by baptism into his church.”
“This particular message from the heavenlies almost provoked a RIOT in the Mormon Church, and Mormon theologians conspicuously omit any serious discussion of the contradiction.”
“Joseph Smith did not limit his contradictions to baptism; indeed polygamy IS a classic example of some of his maneuvers.”
“God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people…Go ye therefore, and do the works of Abraham; enter ye into my LAW and ye shall be saved” (Doctrine and Covenants, 132: 34, 32).
“The Book of Mormon, on the other hand, categorically states: “Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old…for there shall not any among you have save it be ONE wife; and concubines he shall have none: for I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of woman” (Jacob 2: 26-28).
“It appears that Joseph could manufacture *revelations* at will, depending upon his desires. In the last instance, his reputation and subsequent actions indicate that sex was the motivating factor.”
“A final example of the confusion generated between the Book of Mormon and other “inspired” revelations IS found in this conflict between two works in the Pearl of Great Price: the Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham.”
“I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things; yea, in the beginning I created the heaven and the earth upon which thou standest” (Moses 2:1).
“The Book of Abraham, on the other hand, repudiates this monotheistic view and states: “And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth” (Abraham 4:1).
“Just how it is possible to reconcile these two allegedly equal pronouncements from Mormon revelation escapes this author, and the Mormons themselves appear reluctant to furnish any concrete explanation.”
“The question of FALSE PROPHECIES in Mormonism has been handled adequately in a number of excellent volumes, but it should be pointed out that Joseph Smith drew heavily upon published articles BOTH in newspapers and magazines. In fact, one of his famous prophecies concerning the Civil War is drawn chiefly from material published in New York State at the time. Smith declared in Doctrine and Covenants, Section 87:”
“…At the rebellion of South Carolina…the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britian…and then war shall be poured out upon all nations…And…slaves shall rise up against their masters…and that the remmants…shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.”
“Though the Civil War did break out some years after Smith’s death (1844), England did NOT become involved in war as prophesied. The slaves did not rise up against “their masters,” and the “remmants” who were Indians were themselves vexed by the Gentiles, being defeated in war and confined to reservations.”
“Prophet Smith was an extremely INEFFECTIVE prophet here, as he WAS when in Doctrine and Covenants 124:22, 23, 59, he also prophesied that he would possess the house he built at Nauvoo “for ever and ever.”
“The fact of the matter is that neither Joseph nor his seed “after him” ,lived from “generation to generation” in Nauvoo house, which was destroyed after Smith’s death, and the Mormons moved to Utah.”
“These, and other instances, indicate that Smith was not only a poor scribe, but a FALSE PROPHET, and his prophecy concerning the restoration of Israel to Palestine clearly reveals that he anticipated the millennium in his own lifetime, whereas in reality the prophecy of Ezekiel 37 began to be fulfilled in 1948, more than a hundred years after Smith’s death.”
“The question quite naturally arises in summing up the background of the Book of Mormon – Where DID THIS book come from, since it obviously DID NOT come from God? The answer to this had been propounded at great length by numerous students of Mormonisn, particularly by E.D. Howe, Pomeroy Tucker and William A. Linn.”
“All concur that the Book of Mormon is probably an expansion upon the writings of Solomon Spaulding, a retired minister who was known to have written a numbe of “romances” with Biblical backgrounds similar to those of the Book of Mormon. The Mormons delight to point out that that one of Spaulding’s manuscripts, entitled “Manuscript Story,” was discovered in Hawaii more than 100 years ago, and it differed in many respects from the Book of Mormon.”
(Ibid., pp. 189-191) emphasis added.
I’ll take an intermission here, and return in a little while to give Dr. James D. Bales observations in his excellent volume (the Book of Mormon).
Quite interesting Zoe
I can see why the hood would not want you to post these “revelations”.
Now I see these “revelations” as information which is I understand readily available in books and on the internet. But others on BU see it as bashing.
I wonder if they really care about anything except bashing the messenger Zoe.
But Zoe I find that you bring interesting information to BU. Others just ridicule and talk shite.
Watch them now. Here they go…..
Book of Mormom!
Let us hear from Dr. James D. Bales, in his excellent volume (The Book of Mormon) as quoted by Dr. Walter Martin in his ‘Kingdom of the Cults.’
“It has long been contended that there is a connection bewteen the Book of Mormon and one Solomon Spaulding’s historical romance. The Latter-day Saints, of course, deny such a connection.”
“What if the Latter Day Saints are right and there is no relationship between the Book of Mormon and Spaulding’s writings? It simply means that those who so contend are wrong, but it proves nothing, with reference to the question as to whether or not the Book of Mormon is of divine origin. One could be wrong as to what a man, or men, wrote the Book of Mormon, and still know that it was NOT written by men inspired of God. One can easily prove that the Book of Mormon IS of human origin. And, after all, this IS the main issue. The fundamental issue IS not what man or men wrote it, BUT whether it was written by men who were guided by God. We know that men wrote it, and that these men, whoever they were, DID NOT have God’s guidance.”
“That may be illustrated by Science and Health With Key to the Scriptures- textbook of Christian Science churches. Mrs. Eddy claims to have been its author, under God’s direction. There are others who claim she reworked and enlarged a manuscrip of Mr. Quimby and the evidence seems to prove that such is the case. But what if those who so maintained failed to prove their case? Would that prove that it was inspired of God? Not at all, it would prove only that Quimby’s manuscript had nothing to do with it. But it would not prove that some other uninspired being did not write it. Regardless of what human being or beings wrote Science and Health, it is of human, NOT divine origin. Just so the Book of Mormon IS of human origin and UNINSPIRED, even though it were impossible to prove what particular man wrote it.”
“It has not been maintained that all the Book of Mormon was written by Spaulding. Thus, it has not been claimed that the theological portions were put in by him. Those portions bear the imprint of Smith, Cowdery and Sidney Rigdon (see the proof offered in Shook’s The True Origin of the Book of Mormon, pp. 126-). It is maintained, however, that some things, including a great deal of scripture, were added to one of Spaulding’s manuscripts and that his work was thus transfered into the Book of Mormon (see the testimony John Spaulding, Solomon’s brother; Martha Spaulding, John’s wife): They maintained that the historical portion was Spaulding’s. (E.D. Howe, Mormonisn Unveiled, 1834, pp. 278-; Shook, The True Origin of the Book of Mormon, pp. 94-).”
“The Mormons contend that the discovery of one of Spaulding’s manuscripts demonstrate that it was not the basis of the Book of Mormon.”
“I will here state that the Spaulding manuscript was discovered in 1844, and is at present in the library of Oberlin College, Ohio. On examination it was found to bear no resemblance whatever to the Book of Mormon. The theory that Solomon Spaulding was the author of the Book of Mormon should never be mentioned again – outside a museum.” (William A. Morton, op.cit., p.6)
“There are three errors in the above paragraph: viz, that Spaulding wrote but one manuscript; that the manuscript discovered in 1844 is the one which non-Mormons have claimed constituted the basis of the Book of Mormon ; that the manuscript in Oberlin bears no resemblance whatever to the Book of Mormon.”
“(a) Spaulding wrote more than one manuscript. This was maintained by D. P. Harlburt and Clark Braden before the Honolulu manscript was found (Charles A, Shook, op. cit., p.77). Spaulding’s daughter also testified that her father had written “other romances,” (Elder George Reynolds, The Myth of the “Manuscript Found,” Utah, 1833, p. 104). The present manuscript story looks like a rough, unfinished, first draft.”
“(b) The manuscript found in Honolulu was called a “Manuscript Story” and not the “Manuscript Found.” this Honolulu manuscript, The Manuscript Story, was in the hands of anti-Mormons in 1834. However, they did not claim that it was the manuscript which was the basis of the Book of Mormon. It was claimed that another manuscript of Spaulding was the basis of the Book of Mormon, (Charles A. Shook, op. cit., pp. 77, 15, 185. The’Manuscript Found or Manuscript Story” of the late Rev. Solomon Spaulding, Lamoni, Iowa: Printed and Oublished by the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1885, p. 10).
“(c) Although the Manuscript Story has not been regarded as the Manuscript Found, which constituted the basis of the Book of Mormon, there IS a great deal of resemblance between the Manuscript and the Book of Mormon. These points of similarity can be accounted for upon the basis that the Manuscript Story was the first, and rough draft of one of Spaulding’s works which he reworked into the Manuscript Found.”
“Howe, in 1884, published a fair synopsis of the Oberlin manuscript now at Oberlin (Howe’s Mormonisn Unveiled, p. 288) and submitted the original to the witnesses who testified to the many points of identity between Spaulding’s Manuscript Found AND the Book of Mormon. These witnesses then (in 1834) recognized the manuscript secured by Harlburt and now at Oberlin, as being one of Spaulding’s, but not the one which they asserted was similar to the Book of Mormon. They further said that Spaulding had told them that he had altered his original plan by going farther back with his dates and writing in the old scripture style, in order that his story might appear more ancient” (Howe’s Mormonisn Unveiled, p. 288; Theodore Schroeder, The Origin of the Book of Mormon, Re-Examined in Its Relation to Spaulding’s “Manuscript Found,” p.5)
“This testimony is borne out by the FACT that there are many prints of similarity between the manuscript in Oberlin College AND the Book of Mormon.”
Dr. Martin then goes on to correctly asseert:
“It is then fairly well established, historically, that the Mormons have attempted to use a manuscript admittedly not the one from which Smith later copied and amplified the text of what is now known as the Book of Mormon as the basis for DENYING what eye witnesses have affirmed, namely that it was another Spaulding Manuscript (Manuscript Found) WHICH Smith drew upon to FABRICATE the Mormon Bible.”
“Let us NOT forget that the Manuscript Story itself contains at least 75 similarities to what is NOW the Book of Mormon, and this IS NOT easily explained away.”
“Finally, students of Mormonisn must, in the last analysis, measure its contents by THAT of Scripture, and when this is done, it WILL be found that IT DOES NOT “speak accourding to the law and the trstimony” (Isaiah 8:20) and it IS to be REJECTED as a *counterfeit* revelation doubly CONDEMNED by God Himself (Galatians 1: 8,9).” (Ibid., pp. 191-193) emphasis added.
Hood, you NEED to study the Word of God, the Bible, THEN, maybe, you’ll be able to discern and SEE the glaring fraud that the Book of Mormon IS!!!
@ Zoe
How rather interesting, Sir!! But not worth even the price of the electricity that it took you to write and even worse the cost of electricity it cost me to read it.
Are you done getting your rocks off now? Well maybe you ought to go wash your hand off now!!
@ Anon // February 4, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Ok, Sir, I bow to your Greatness. Now how about you & I setting up our very own “church” under the direction of Mr. Zoe?
Do you think we could become rich (money-wise) in a short space of time?
I really could do with some quick funds in de a/c!
Oh and Mr. Zoe, just a little reminder…….to let you know that Satan could quote scripture even faster and better than you! He knows the scriptures backwards, from cover to cover!
@ the hood
Zoe has indeed given us more interesting information about the mormons, Sir!
Man it really worth the price of the electricity that it took to write and the cost of electricity it cost me to read it.
Why do you think that he got his rocks off in bringing these “revelations” to BU?
And why must he wash his hands?
Can you refute anything that he said?
Can you show where he has made any false claims?
Can you show where his article contradicts the bible?
And I am not great at all. I am just a very poor black man that wants to be educated about these matters. So I can be able to discuss the issues with those pairs of young lads in white shirts and ties that knock at my door periodically.
Tell me hood, do these young men get their rocks off in this way?
Do you go doing door to door proselyting too hood?
Do you get your rocks off in this way?
No I don’t think I can get rich doing door to door proselyting hood.
And I don’t plan to get rich by preaching religion or proselyting hood.
I just want to encourage Zoe to inform me and educate me about religion. I went and borrowed that book from the library to read it for myself.
It seems to me that Zoe should be able to set up a good bible teaching church. I don’t know if he would make money fast nor do I know if that is his intention.
But if hedid he could call it the rocking revelations about the cults church of prophecy inc.
Yes I hear that Satan could quote scripture even faster and better than Zoe or anyone else. I hear that he knows the scriptures backwards, from cover to cover. But I don’t know that for sure cause I never met him.
Are you saying that Zoe is a devil who quotes scripture? Or are you saying that the founder of the JW’s SDA’s and the mormons cults were devils who quoted scripture?
I thought that with your threats that Zoe would have been struck dead by now.
@ Anon // February 4, 2010 at 3:57 PM
So, it has now come down to you interpreting a “neighborly” warning as threats.Why should that surprise me, knowing just whom I am dealing with here!
Well, Sir, I don’t recall ever using threats against anyone on BU. I recall doing what the scriptures say one should do. I recall reading scripture that tells me that when I have been warned that I should turn and warn my neighbor (neighbour). Ah Lie??
Seems to me that Zoe is doing the same on BU ……………..doing what the scriptures say one should do by warning his neighbors (neighbour). Ah Lie?? ha ha ha
how come you dont quote the scriptures and show that he is wrong
i my self cant refute anything he says since I am now trying to understand the stuff in this library book ………looks like it is an older version too..
@ Anon // February 4, 2010 at 3:57 PM
You claim :- “Zoe has indeed given us more interesting information about the mormons, Sir!”
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What you really mean is that you THINK that Mr.Zoe has given you information that he THINKS is factual but I want you to know that better than Mr. Zoe has tried over & over through the years to denigrate something of God and they have not succeeded.
What I can tell you is that the LDS Church is growing phenomenally by the day around the world. I guess something (or some Holy power) must be working for them! Last count was somewhere between 13-14 million and growing every day!
Best thing you would ever do in your whole life……………..Listen to those “young men in white shirts and ties” with the LDS badge on their pockets.
@Anon // February 4, 2010 at 4:19 PM
You asked:-…”how come you dont quote the scriptures and show that he is wrong…”
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Let me see if I can answer that reasonably enough that you may understand or try to understand. I say “try to understand” because I sense a certain amount of “animosity” (?) emanating from you. Ah Lie??
So here goes………… It is my personal opinion that I could quote scriptures here until I am “blue” in the face or, in other words, until “de cows come home” and it would make absolutely no difference to you or anyone else who is not interested. This is why the Lord warned us about ” not throwing pearls before swine”! You follow me?
@ Anon
Check Matt 7:6
I have heard a saying in church once that goes like this
If it is NEW it is probably not TRUE.
I wonder what those “young men in white shirts and ties” with the LDS badge on their pockets can teach me, more than the folk I am listening to on radio and tv, or in the books I am reading.
My granny always used to tell me not to follow the multitude to do evil so I am not impressed with your growth statistics.
I listen to the Mormon Tabernacle sing though and I watch the music programs on t from BYU but I tune out the bull shit the fellas talk lol
it has always sound stupid and sinister to me ha ha
I Think that Zoe is on the ball !
Why havent you gone to Utah and become polygamous…….or they dont do that again? ha ha
@ Anon
By your immediate response to me above you have proven my point exactly that I made above @ 4:40 pm. So a good day to you, Sir, it has been entertaining (to me at least) having this intercourse (verbal ie) with you.
May you continue to have your Godly search. All to you and Zoe now, I hope you are successful in “saving” the world!
Interesting communication!
Wait because I asking questions for clarification you sense a certain amount of “animosity” emanating from me. So I can’t ask questions now?
OK let me see if I understand correctly the mormons does teach that if anybody ask questions or don’t grabble up wuh dey teaching it means that that is why the Lord warned us about ” not throwing pearls before swine”?
You say Check Matt 7:6 So now you calling me a dog! And indicating that you are casting pearls before pigs ! So now you calling me a pig too, just because I don’t agree wid you?
Now if Zoe or Gp or Dick had said that on BU, all their dissenters would be barking and braying loud man..
I ask a simple question are the mormons still polygamous? They either are or they aint!
Yes I will continue to have my Godly search, but I fraid for the mormons bosie. And I real glad that Zoe show me the light about them. I hope that he will keep [posting information to enlighten me further.
How can me and Zoe be successful in “saving” the world? I thought you gave statistics to indicate that the mormons were doing that already? Ah Lie??
@Anon, wait until tomorrow morning, when you see what these Mormons believe about God!
Hint…would you believe that they believe, that Almighty God, WAS a child, just like we were? Wait till you hear the full story from these Mormon ProFITS!!!
Awake sheeple…awake…
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