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Binyamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel
Binyamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel

A United Nation inquiry has made the claim that Israel engaged in:

…a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorise a civilian population in Gaza.

It further asserted that some individuals should face:

individual criminal responsibility and both Hamas and the Israeli committed war crimes and possible crimes against humanity

Although the inquiry subjected Hamas to censure it was not as severe as that on Israel. The conflict Dec 2008 – Jan 2009 – debated on BU ( Barbados Underground)  – was as a result of tunnels built by Hamas to circumvent the Israeli blockade being bombed by Israel.  Hamas intensified their belligerence and fired rockets into Southern Israel in retaliation, causing panic in the civilian population.  In the resultant war when the Israeli Military crossed into Gaza, in excess of 1,300 Palestinians were killed including 320 children, official figures gave the Israeli death toll as 20.

Due to the high number of Palestinians who lost their lives and the disproportionate force used by Israel with consequent civilian damage in Gaza, pressure was put on the UN to conduct an inquiry. The UN chose the  experienced and respected South African Judge Richard Goldstein, he came with a background  suited to the task.  “He was the Chief Prosecutor for the United Nations International Criminal Tribunals for the Yugoslavia and Rwanda from 15 August 1994 to September 1996. He was a member of the International Panel of the Commission of Enquiry into the Activities of Nazism in Argentina ( CEANA ) established in 1997 to identify Nazi war criminals who had emigrated to Argentina.”

The UN inquiry has called for an independent investigation, if this is not done the matter should be referred to the International Criminal Court.

Israel has been robust in their defence of the military action taken in Gaza.  Saying their accusers are against Israel, this is not surprising as the allegations against Israel are serious indeed: the inquiry noted  “Grave breaches” of the fourth Geneva Convention and of a war crime for using Palestinians as human shields.”

It is difficult to understand the reasoning behind Israel’s claim that the accusers are against Israel.  Richard Goldstein – chairman of the UN inquiry – is Jewish and a very experienced Judge, with close ties to Israel.

Mark Regev the Israeli government spokesman has said:…”the Israeli Government is conducting its own investigation into the conflict”.  However, Judge Goldstein responded that ” the Israeli investigations are being conducted behind closed doors and as such are not to an “acceptable standard”.

Israel’s Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu condemned the report as a “kangaroo court”, a charge which does not carry much credence because the Israeli Government refused to participate in the UN investigations…thus having no  input.

Judge Richard Goldstein’s daughter with less hyperbolic language is reported to have said:

“My father is a Zionist who loves Israel.”

“I know better than anyone else that he thought however hard it was to accept it, he was doing the best thing for everyone, including Israel,…”He is honest, tells things how he sees them and wants to uncover the truth.”


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530 responses to “UN Inquiry Accuses Israel Of War Crimes In Gaza”


  1. In Malachi 3 17 we read that God says this about the Jews after Armageddon “ And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

    The mockers and scoffers can like it or lump it. I am just a messenger friends.

  2. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar

    Zoe // September 19, 2009 at 8:10 PM

    That was only part of what I wanted to say, there was glitch with the Submission.

    This is what I really wanted to say.

    “ because Jesus Himself taught that He came to give Himself as a RANSOM for mankind.”

    There is not a Jew in the World who believes that Jesus is the Massiah, the son of God or the ransom of mankind.

    So don’t try to fool sesible people on this blog.

  3. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar

    The first people God will judge will be the Jews.

    For all their wickedness. They have a lot to answer for.


  4. @GP……”But when they acknowledge God after the glorious appearing of Christ vs 12 all nations shall call them blessed”

    When Christ appears, isn’t he coming for those who had already accepted him and done his will?

    How de hell did this group get to be so special that Jesus will allow them to do as they please on earth, cast ill-repute upon his name, shed blood………and then, its only when He comes that they will cast aside they evil ways and accept him? Where is the faith that everyone else needs to believe and accept Him as your Saviour? These beings don’t need to have such faith? How is it that they always get a free ride? I thought that you had to be prepared before He got here. Or does that only apply to everyone else and not them?

    Check their play on words the “And they [the jew] shall be my jewels.” Isn’t it funny how they all have names like goldstein, silverstein, rubeinstein and diamond? Oh Lordee! Look the imposters!
    And they tell me to give my heart to this “God.”

    GP, they wrote that Book man and BTW how does one get to be a messenger? Can anyone who confess Christ with his tongue be a messenger?


  5. @GP…….Another thing. ROK worship? Aren’t you a tad bit too saved and ready for your Saviour to be green-eyed of ROKKY?


  6. @ Zoe and Gp

    Here we are supposed to be discussing the UN report on war crimes perpetrated by the Israelis against the Palestinians and you two come with your bible to justify these acts and want to convince us that your discussion is objective.

    Who do you suppose wrote the bible? Heavens below, it is a book of Jewish history, folk tales and myths all mixed together. God wrote nothing. That is not gods word. It is the word of the Hebrews and Europeans crafters.

    I would believe that Shakespeare was inspired by God, the Creator, before I believe that the Hebrew god is a god to worship.

    Furthermore I agree with CC that the Jews will be the first to be judged if the Creator does come to clean us the mess caused by the same Hebrews and their acolytes.


  7. Carson C. Cadogan at September 19, 2009 at 10:32 PM opines that “
    The first people God will judge will be the Jews.”

    CCC
    I have been saying this all day and showing you from OT scripture after OT scripture that this is what the Bible predicts. The Jews will be judged during the Tribulation period, according to the Scriptures.

    The Jews don’t have any more to answer for than you or I. They like us have ALL SINNED. The Scripture teaches that ALL WILL BE JUDGED. Some (the believers) at the bema or judgement seat of Christ, and others the unbelievers at the great white throne judgement!

    CCC
    IT IS FALSE to say that “There is not a Jew in the World who believes that Jesus is the Messiah, the son of God or the ransom of mankind.” THERE ARE ORTHODOX JEWS and THERE ARE JEWS WHO HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO CRISTIANITY. This has been true since the ties of the early church, and down through the ages.

    Note that the early church was essentially composed of Jews.

    Sensible folk like you should be able to discern that from reading the book of Acts man.


  8. Hopi
    @GP……”But when they acknowledge God after the glorious appearing of Christ vs 12 all nations shall call them blessed”
    When Christ appears, isn’t he coming for those who had already accepted him and done his will?

    Good question Hopi. Most believers believe that there are two aspects of the second coming of Christ. In the first phase Christ comes for the Church and meets them in the air at the RAPTURE. In the second phase he comes again to earth at the glorious appearing.

    Hopi you do err in that you wrest the Scriptures. I can not change your subjective opinion about the Jews. I can not in a few minutes get you to see that the Jews will be subjected to such horrible punishment in the imminent tribulation period that many Jews will repent and turn to Christ after Armageddon, and that they will do so by faith along with folk from the other nations at that time.
    I can not in a few minutes get you to see that you have a dispensational issue to clarify here.

    Re Where is the faith that everyone else needs to believe and accept Him as your Saviour? These beings don’t need to have such faith? Of course they do. There is no scripture that says otherwise.

    Re How is it that they always get a free ride? Of course they don’t get a free ride. They will be judged severely during the tribulation period as predicted throughout the OT. I have been saying that all day. You obviously choose to see and highlight what you see and wish to highlight.

    Re I thought that you had to be prepared before He got here. Sure you do. Everyone living I this dispensation must be prepared.

    Re Or does that only apply to everyone else and not them? This applies to those JEWS who live in this dispensation also.

    The Malachi passage refers not to Jews in this dispensation (which was unknown to the OT prophets) but to Jews in Daniel’s 7Oth week and thereafter, as clearly taught in the OT.

    Re how does one get to be a messenger? Can anyone who confess Christ with his tongue be a messenger? Yes Hopi that is clearly taught in the NT

    Re …….Another thing. ROK worship? Aren’t you a tad bit too saved and ready for your Saviour to be green-eyed of ROKKY?

    I envy no man. I am contented in my state. And I am ready for my Savior. I also think that I have an excellent command of the language and I declare that quid dixi scripsique, dixi scripsique.


  9. Pat

    I don’t think that we are justifying any acts of the Jews. Read my posts carefully. I have repeatedly said that I am interested in what the Bible says about the Jews and the eschaton. You might not know it but “UN report on war crimes perpetrated by the Israelis against the Palestinians” actually has to do with Jews and the eschaton. My posts are more relevant than much of the drivel that I read on BU daily on most topics.

    Yardbroom made his point. CCC then pointed out that the Jews were evil. And I started by pointing out that the Bible predicts the bias that the heathen or the nations or the UN will perpetrate against the Jews, because I does. And there are several reports that point out the obvious bias and ante-semitism that exists. It all depends on the sources of your information. But I am not interested in going down that line, because in the final analysis it is not what the UN or the press says or thinks BUT WHAT SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS.

    Clearly there are in this discussion those of you who do NOT believe the Bible, and that it is God’s word, or that the Jews are God’s chosen people or that God promised the land to Israel. You are entitled to believe that and to say so, if that is what you think.

    There are those of us (even though we are in the minority) who are of a different opinion. And we too ought to be allowed to say our piece. Are you saying that we must be denied the right to share our view point? Do all posters agree on the political and other issues aired on BU? NO! And they don’t have to agree with me either, on this matter. But I will be damned if you think you can stop me from saying what I believe.

    Here it is that you believe in the authenticity of Shakespeare, and are prepared to even say his works are inspired by God, the Creator, and debunk the Bible for which there are more extant manuscripts than there are for Shakespeare. The authenticity of the Word of God is more clearly proven than that of Shakespeare FYI.

    You can not decide how or what slant that I will take when post posit on this topic. If you don’t like to read my pieces on the Bible, scroll past them, but they will resume after my various commitments tomorrow, whether you or the devil likes it or not. As long as there is breath in my body and the opportunity exists for me to post, I WILL BE posting about this issue from a Biblical viewpoint, because it is relevant to me, and an area where I will bring sound doctrine that CAN NOT BE REFUTED, and in a systematic way!


  10. I was really trying to stay out of this because nothing constructive can be had from applying biblical worship to this discussion. It has degenerated to the extent that the actions of the Israelis are being justified.

    Any right thinking person with a sense of justice cannot in all seriousness condone what is happening and enjoy bliss at the thought of the destruction of mankind. You are a sadist.

    I keep telling you all Christians that when your god comes back, it shall rain on the righteous and the wicked alike. All those who have spent their life serving that folly will find that they are no better off than the so-called sinner.

    You better check back your own biblical accounts. Your god showed no mercy and if it was not for Moses, there would be no jews today. The motive of your god is not about righteousness but about control by using fear. That is what all those stories are about.

    You would think that a sensible god would try to show himself in good light but this goes to show that there is nothing righteous about Christianity or god, it is all a scam.

    Why do you think that vengeance is his alone? Control… and he can’t have his slaves killing one another. Any primary school child would ask why was god so contrary? The answer you put down their throats is to tell them that god knows what he is doing and that god could do anything. That is the same status of the Massa. Ignorance in the highest.

    I really can’t understand the ROK worship???? You thought I was rivaling your god? Well you saying that tells a lot about you. You talk about a senseless battle between BU and BFP? So BFP is to defame me and get away with it? I here fighting for justice and you talking foolishness? What kind of god you serve?

    The most wicked and dastardly acts against humanity in these times are being committed against the people of Palestine. You reveling in its continuation because of some fundamentalist position. Pure psychos the lot of you are. Not only are you a disgrace to the human race, each one of you should be tried for treason against mankind… but I know your god ain’t in no hurry to come back ’cause he know that he will hold some licks before he could win the battle, if he, the male chauvanist pig, does win. Mark my words.

    One thing I know, your god ain’t the Creator and another thing I know is that the Creator has installed in us a defense mechanism to survive and you can be sure that a lot more than the jews will survive, that is, if he still has interest in them. He may very well discard them because this god has no allegiance to any people in particular.

    Obama needs to pull his troops out of Afghanistan and send them to Israel to disarm them and bring peace to that region. This talk about armegeddon and rapture is pure foolishness to say the least and only serves to perpetrate evil.


  11. “Clearly there are in this discussion those of you who do NOT believe the Bible”

    Why do we have to believe? Are we so decrepit that we can’t stand the truth? The facts? Why all the lies and deciet which you have obviously swallowed and gloating in.

    My problem is not that you believe but that you walking around spreading the deceit and lies to innocent people… and furthermore forcing it down their throats. You know why you have to force it down people’s throats? Because it is not palatable. Reminds of the days of taking epsoms salts and shark. Pure folly.


  12. “You are misquoting Scripture like a fool.”

    I can’t believe that we going down this road again. You cannot say anything to these people unless you are dubbed a fool or an idiot and be exposed to a whole heap of insults. You people are not human beings.

  13. Should know better Avatar
    Should know better

    Rok you’re not any different when people disagree with you.


  14. You should know better

    “Rok you’re not any different when people disagree with you.”

    I beg to differ. I may argue my points strongly but I do not resort to calling people idiots and fools.

    I did call him a psycho and a traitor and I consider that fair comment because any man that walk about preaching peace but yet reveling in war, genocide and destruction, saying that his god coming and he looking forward to the destruction in pure bliss, has to be a psycho.

    Secondly, anybody who preaches the above to other human beings is a traitor to the human race.


  15. (Battle Axe)

    Small Axe
    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/small-axe/

    These are the words
    Of my master, keep on tellin me
    No weak heart
    Shall prosper
    And whosoever diggeth a pit
    Shall fall in it, fall in it
    And whosoever diggeth a pit
    Shall fall in it (… fall in it)

    If you are the big tree, let me tell you that
    We are the small axe, sharp and ready
    Ready to cut you down (well sharp)
    To cut you down

    (to cut you down)

    (to cut you down)


  16. If a scientific study could be done it would probably find that Jews are no more evil than anybody else. The fact is that homo sapiens IS an evil creature, by nature, and only the holy doctrines of the lord prevent us from falling into total anarchy. Just look at the non-christianity faiths!!


  17. If you are the big tree, let me tell you that
    We are the small axe, sharp and ready
    Ready to cut you down.

    **************

    kiki, that’s the problem with the black race, u c! We’re now in desperate need of helping to build each other up, instead of cutting us down!


  18. Bim
    positive
    a United States of Africa
    no tribalism
    no war
    education for all children
    within one generation


  19. Thanks to GP and Zoe we have read how they have divided the word as recorded in the bible regarding this matter. For those who may want to apply a political read of the situation it shakes out to the following:

    A small nuclear armed Jewish country (Israel) located in a geography where it is completely surrounded by hostile Arab countries. Its conflict with the Palestinian people who are Arab which involves surrendering lands which all agree compromises Israel’s national security makes this an issue which will not be solved soon.


  20. David,

    Sadly, the outcome is inevitable, because each ‘section’ sees themselves as being ‘right’.

    If you and I are at a bar drinking and are ‘both right’, how will it end?

    Question is, is Barbados prepared for the strife that will follow?

    Do we have a stockpile of fuel, guaranteed and sustained source of food etc?

    How will we ‘lockdown’?

    It will be a tough time indeed.

    IF, this generation survives.

    Peace


  21. By the way, don’t you see that India, arguably the most peaceful country in that hemisphere, is being brought into the fray with the last terrorist attack and now apparently another threat looming?

    This is why the struggle for control of Pakistan is so crucial.

    Pakistan has nukes, so does India. If the Al Quaida / Taliban get control of Pakistan, guaranteed the confrontation will be very shortly thereafter.

    Certainly, we can go into all sorts of philosophical debates on who started what, West, etc etc.

    But I am a simpleton, who focuses on pragmatics.

    And that means that:

    1) Current Pakistan Gov’t maintains control = war delayed, if not stopped

    2) Taliban backed Gov’t take control = war impending

    3) Without war = we survive and ‘work’ on differences over time

    4) With war = we are all dead or ‘worse’??????

    Which am I going to choose, irrespective of debates on who is backing who etc?

    But then, as I said, I am a just an average man seeing things through simple ways.

    Peace


  22. do the holy books mean god’s chosen people
    or god’s favourite people?

    1) more reggae
    aba-shanti-i
    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/aba-shanti-i/

    2) Roots Gone International
    You should know we don’t partial
    Because we have the credentials
    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/roots-gone-international/

    3) Every Step I make
    Are jah jah way
    Every move I make
    Are the father way
    I give thanks and praise
    Every day
    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/every-step/

    4) won’t give up the fight
    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/wont-give-up-the-fight/

  23. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar

    I am of the opinion that the nation of Israel should have been set up in Germany after the second world war.

    After all it was the Germans who killed two million of them or so they claim. The Palestinians had nothing to do with it.


  24. @ David
    “A small nuclear armed Jewish country (Israel) located in a geography where it is completely surrounded by hostile Arab countries.”
    ***************************************
    The fact that a particular set of people may have been selected as “God’s chosen people” does not bestow any sinister meanings.

    It just means that their whole existence and history is used as a textbook for the rest of us and that their lives are like goldfish.

    Israel has been living for the last 5 decades under the protection of the USA with its nuclear arsenal. Their dominance of their neighbors is by USA bestowed military might, not by the protection of God.

    Their ‘protector’ is very close to needing protection itself now, and they have no idea of how to turn back to the protection of the God who chose them to be goldfish.

    …the result is quite predictable.

    …If you live by the sword, and accumulate decades of hate and resentment, what do you expect to happen when you are no longer able to wield your mighty sword….?


  25. @Bush Tea

    Your point is taken but according to the information out there and despite the financial woes of the USA the aid continues. This means there is probably not a short term solution.


  26. @David

    “despite the financial woes of the USA the aid continues…”

    aid is only a question of the USA printing money. It cost them nothing but the ink and the paper.


  27. Carson C. Cadogan at // September 20, 2009 at 8:10 AM declares his anti Semitic stance by stating “ After all it was the Germans who killed two million of them or so they claim.”

    Did the Germans kill a large number of Jews or not. Is this a historical fact or not.

    It is interesting that as so called proud black people, we are not discussing the events in Zimbabwe or Kenya or where blacks are causing suffering to other blacks. Where are the UN reports about these issues? Is it because many of the folk at the UN come from Arab oil rich nations Muslim controlled states?.

    It is alright for you to believe what you wish, but wrong for me to comment on what the Bible predicts would happen in the end times. You guys make me laugh real hard and real long.

    Rumplestilskin your comments are germane to the discussion, and what is happening in that area of the world

    David points out that “A small nuclear armed Jewish country (Israel) located in a geography where it is completely surrounded by hostile Arab countries. Its conflict with the Palestinian people who are Arab which involves surrendering lands which all agree compromises Israel’s national security makes this an issue which will not be solved soon.”

    This is a pertinent summary because it encapsulates what the Bible predicted about current events in Ezekiel especially, but also in the Psalms and other prophetic books.

    All that the Bible has predicted is being gradually fulfilled. All that I have done is cited relevant Scripture that points to this. Israel is having a hard time and will continue to have a hard time, and be hated by all the nations and will have no help or sympathy from the nations (whether you called them united or not—because truly there is nothing united about the UN …..yet!) But the one world Government led by antichrist is coming. It is around the corner!

    No other book predicts the fate of Israel at the end times as the Bible does. You can believe it or not. You can accept it or not, but that will not change the facts.

    It is interesting to me that the events occurring in Israel and the Fertile Crescent dominate World News. The impending attack by Iran on Israel will occur, as foretold.


  28. kiki, ur beyond being a dreamer. U gave me Patra so I’m unable to criticise u too, severely!!


  29. @ROK
    “aid is only a question of the USA printing money. It cost them nothing but the ink and the paper.”
    ***************************************
    Not quite true. It cost them quite a lot, but they have no options at this point.
    Worst yet, it is also costing China, Japan and all those other countries that essentially bankroll the USA’s standard of living.

    You would be shocked to know how quickly the status quo will change when these bank rollers stop funding Uncle Sam (by deciding on another currency as the currency of international trade).

    …by the way, is tomorrow the international day of peace?


  30. @GP
    “It is alright for you to believe what you wish, but wrong for me to comment on what the Bible predicts would happen in the end times.”

    Of course you speaking about yourself.

    “You guys make me laugh real hard and real long.”

    Hope you had a real hearty laugh as hearty, long and hard as mine.

    “You can accept it or not, but that will not change the facts.”

    There are no facts in the bible, only lies and deceit. Facts are things that have happened and the only facts are that Israel is committing genocide. There is nothing factual about prophesy.

    Nobody is preventing you from having your beliefs. That is your choice but not every time there is a discussion on genocide that Israel committing, you coming with these lies calling it prophesy; trying to say it must happen. You coming across like a madman with all these quotes and preaching hell, brimstone and fire.

    Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s. That is your guiding light. Right now is Caesar’s time.


  31. @ROK

    Agree with Bush Tea. Yes the USA can print money but managing FIAT money and the importance of a sound monetary policy goes hand in hand.


  32. @ David
    Point taken about the continued aid.

    However, have you noticed that the USA have been incapable of winning any decisive military victories recently – indeed for some time now? (since Grenada LOL) …..DESPITE all their weapons and technology?

    Vietnam, Mogadishu, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

    ….what does this say? If the protector cannot protect his own interest – can he be depended on to protect Israel’s?

    The illogic of military technology is that it is INEVITABLE that your enemy will one day (too soon) have access to the ‘new’ weapons that you invent.

    …what happens when Bin Laden gets one of those fancy remote control drones….? …. or suitcase nuclear weapons?

  33. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar

    Georgie

    “his anti Semitic stance”

    I was waiting to see how long it was going to be before that statement was thrown into the ling.

    You have not disappointed me. Disagree with anything Israel and you are automatically ” his anti Semitic stance”.

    Right on cue.

    You are very predictable.


  34. @BT

    Tomorrow is “Peace One Day”. All fighting/warring factions are suppose to lay down arms for one day. Here is the founder of that day explaining it.


  35. @BT

    “However, have you noticed that the USA have been incapable of winning any decisive military victories recently…”

    Actually, this ploy of fighting wars and not winning seemed to have started with Vietnam. Personally, I think that these wars were not started so a winner could be declared but so that armed conflict and the production of arms can create wealth as well as confiscation of the wealth from those countries who are the targets of war.

    If Grenada had wealth/resources that war would still be going on until the wealth was drained.


  36. @ ROK & GP

    You two would do well to stop arguing. You are both wrong anyway, and both too dogmatic….

    Israel ARE chosen people. Chosen to be models of what the REAL purpose of life is and what living on this earth should and could be like.

    The fact that they have failed miserably does not detract from their status as ‘chosen’.

    Israel has opted to trust in the power of weapons and technology to protect themselves.
    Through ingenuity and resourcefulness they have ‘succeeded’ to some extent over the last 50 years or so. HOWEVER, in the process, they have killed, maimed, lied, bribed and done all of the things (including genocide) that our natural instincts lead us to do – …..they did these things well.

    What they were SUPPOSED to do as God’s chosen was to trust in the natural laws of God, to LOVE all their neighbors -even though they were hated. To use their (obvious) talents to develop the whole region (for example – their technology, agriculture etc)… and to DEMONSTRATE to the rest of the world that by putting GOD first and loving your neighbor as yourself, the fruits of the spirit HAVE to naturally follow.

    As GP says, the consequences for Israel will be inevitable and dire, but ONLY because in their ‘wisdom’ they trusted in their god of technology instead of the God of love.

    Had they taken the other path, the results would have been phenomenal. ..and the world would now have been amazed at the levels of respect, admiration and love for that country in the region and beyond….

    The fact is that all of us have generally made the same choice as Israel in our own ways. So too, we will ALL suffer appropriate consequences of our individual choices.


  37. @ROK
    Thanks for the ‘Day of peace’ information.

    Bush Tea always begin to sweat when the whole world decides to cry ‘…peace peace….’


  38. @David

    You hold a lot of faith in thinking that anything about the USA or for that matter the illuminati is transparent.

    Right now, it seems that the USA is playing parasite; holding on to what is theirs and using what belongs to others. The idea is for every country to collapse around the USA, so they borrowing much more that they can ever pay back.

    My question is, how could a debt ridden country like the US still stand above the water, if it did not have something going for it that the eyes of the world cannot see?

    How could so much aid be given to Israel, plus war here and war there, along with the size of its domestic bill, not to mention aid to various other countries and the fact that it is debt ridden, amount to sound monetary or fiscal policies?


  39. aba shanti-i jah lighting and thunder [playing
    mental slavery]
    mon25aug 08 notting hill carnival

    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/mental-slavery/


  40. @BT

    You aware that the Israelis curse Jesus Christ? I mean disown him? What chosen people what? That is a convenience to perpetrate evil. Remember that if god can do what he wants, so can the chosen people whom he gave the earth to.

    It means that we do not even have the status of tenant, but live at the pleasure of the chosen people. What is the difference between them and the fact that the white man also thinks the earth and the riches in it is all his? As a matter of fact, the white man overshadowed them and eventually set them up.

    Of course the Jews live by the principles of the most evil book on earth; the Talmud.


  41. @ Carson Cadogan, “That was only part of what I wanted to say, there was a GLITCH with the Submission. This is what I really wanted to say.’

    “Because Jesus Himself taught that He came to give Himself as a RANSOM for mankind.”

    What GLITCH Cadogan? That is exactly what you already SAID earlier @ 6:19 PM.

    The GLITCH is in your HEAD, man, not the submission!

    @ Rok, “I beg to differ. I may argue my points strongly, (NO! Ignorantly!) but I do not resort to calling people idiots and fools…I did call him a psycho and a a traitor and I consider that a fair comment…”

    Well, I also consider calling those of your ilk, ‘Idiots and fools’ as that is also a fair comment, in light of the incoherent, irrational, unfounded nonsense that comes from your lack of understanding what is cogent, historical facts, which you are utterly unable to make any sense of.

    Any rational discussion requires logical absolutes, in order to arrive at reasonable conclusions.

    The FACTS, historically, regarding Israel, that they have been relentlesly attacked by their hostile Arab neighbours, 24 hours after their declared Statehood, 1948, again in 1956, then the ALL out war against them in 1967, a literal miracle that Israel not only survived, but came out of this vicious attack to annihilate them from the face of the earth, in tack, then from 2000 when they voluntarily withdrew from Gaza completely, and Hamas, that deadly, demonic Terrorist organization, repeadly launched over 8,000 rockets into Jewish civilian areas, with Israel asking them to stop this, after eight years of this vile hostility from Hamas, whose sole intent, as openly stated in its Chater, that Israel must NOT exist as a nation, could any reasonable, fair minded person, with the FACTS, expect Israel not to, at some pint in time to defend itself. Billions of $$ were given to develop Gaza, and what did the Hamas Terrorist do with this money, instead of building this area up for its citizens, relently sought to build up its military strenght, at the expense of denying the Palestinian people at decent life, to constantly fire rockets in Israel, Israel could no longer take this, and defended her right to retailate.

    The cowards Hamas, then used innocent Palestinian, children included, as human shields, placing their military equipment right NEXT to schools, and in Hospital basements, all documented as FACTS, Israel did every thing humanly possible to minimize civilian casuality, by telling the civilian population to come away and out from those areas were Hamas purposely stored military arsenal, what the Hell do you expect Israel to do, she did every thing possible, BUT, Arab propaganda, ‘Turnspeak’ twisted, perverted, and convolted the FACTS, as has been done for 60 years, to make Israel appear as the aggresso, NO! NO! NO!, Israel has been the victim,patiently taking all of these attacks on her soveriegn land, and only using a literal fraction of its military strength to DEFEND its RIGHT to exist as a Nation, in its Own land.

    As GP has assidiously pointed out from God’s Word, the facts, why this has to happen, the historic facts right up to this point in time, logically, cogently, and objectively affirm and confirm the Biblcal account of what has transpired through the ages, and continues right now, only an idiot, without any rational sense could deny this reality, playing out exactly has divinely recorded in God’s Word, the Bible.

    One CANNOT understand Israel and the Middle East crisis, without deep, prolong studies, both Biblically and historically, obviously what many have not done, hence the utter ignorance coming forth from the comments of many.

    Truth, by definition IS absolute, regardless of who denies it. Facts must be investigated, with logical absolutes, otherwise NO rational conclusion can be made.

    Therefore, “To say of what IS, that it IS, or of what IS NOT, that IT IS NOT, is true.” Aristotle.

    Truth is relentless, NO matteer how many devious LIES may attack it. TRUTH, will alwaya survive, and win!


  42. @zoe

    “Truth is relentless, NO matter how many devious LIES may attack it. TRUTH, will alwaya survive, and win!”

    Left to be seen bro. Been saying the same about the bible where not one single prophesy has come to pass. Even Nostradamus better that.


  43. @David
    “Is there any perceptible change in President Obama’s Middle East policy?”

    From the behind scenes diplomacy – the PREZ* has left his side-dish of international relations to Messrs. George Mitchell & Hilary Clinton et al to get on with it…

    The word to Ben* is – “walk softly for now but carry a big stick”…

    On the other hand, Ahmadinejad want to see the return of the Mahdi and knows that this is NOT* possibly without a correct interpretation of the Hadiths of the Prophet (MPBUH) in this matter…

    So the world await the first shot across the starboard bow!!!

    The JEWS run the world!!!

    It is a “Synagogue of Satan” (Jesus Himself said it)… They think they are JEWS* according to YESHUA* – but they are not!!!

    They have had 4000 years of history to mold the world into whatever (to use DAVID’s words) iconoclastic mould they choose.

    Now the final revealing of the “PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION” is about manifest and if we aren’t blind to the facts – we don’t need DAN BROWN to open our eyes or be making multi-millions off of people’s ignorance…

    The said Jewish Rabbi JESUS* will “JUDGE” and “AVENGE” in the end…

    And “yes” time will tell!!!


  44. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Everywhere a conspiracy.

    http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=14258768

    “In his book “Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History”, David Aaronovitch argues that conspiratorial fantasy can have dangerous real-world consequences. Hitler read and believed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a bogus account of a global Jewish conspiracy. So did the founders of Hamas. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with a bomb in Oklahoma in 1995 because he thought the federal government was hatching various dastardly plots. “


  45. @Nostradamus
    “Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Everywhere a conspiracy…”

    Is this the same David Aaronovitch who said in my local Guardian Newspaper and I quote:

    “If nothing is eventually found, I – as a supporter of the war – will never believe another thing that I am told by our government, or that of the US ever again.” (the same guy that George Galloway MP said that needed to shave his beard because the hairs were tickling Tony Blair up the posterior (to use decent language)…

    This was the same guy who sanctioned Tony Blair’s conspiracy to invade IRAQ based on the spurious lies (sorry mate, conspiracies) that there were WMD’s in Iraq…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,945381,00.html

    Is this the same fella’ who received the Orwell Prize for Journalism in 2001?

    http://www.theorwellprize.co.uk/the-award/winners-books/winnerslist.aspx

    Well, what more can I say to that….

    What’s wrong with VOODOO HISTORIES?

    I quote from Robin Ramsay’s review of the book… this is what he says:

    “What is wrong with most conspiracy theorists is not what they think but the way they think. The basic premise of conspiracy theorists is the bastards are lying to us. This is not only demonstrably true sometimes, since 1945 and the wartime experience of disinforming the Germans, lying to the population became an official policy of this state, as well as the normal behaviour of the British ruling class and its civil servants who had been in power for most of the preceding centuries….. Aaronovitch’s ‘plausibility threshold’ is set too high and does not correspond with reality. Because his knowledge of recent history is limited, his ‘plausibility threshold’ falsely categories events as beyond plausibility – ‘conspiracy theories’. There’s no mystery here: he hasn’t read the evidence. Nor, as a mainstream journalist and broadcaster, can he afford to do so. And so his account of the Kennedy assassination (and other assassinations) here is inadequate; as is his account of the Israeli assault on the USS Liberty in 1967, as is his account of America’s entry into World War 2, as is…. I can’t be bothered going through the whole thing in that kind of detail…”

    David Coady’s book – “Are Conspiracy Theorists Irrational? Episteme: A Journal of Social Epistemology – Volume 4, Issue 2, 2007, pp. 193-204, Edinburgh University Press suggest that “It is widely believed that to be a conspiracy theorist is to suffer from a form of irrationality. After considering the merits and defects of a variety of accounts of what it is to be a conspiracy theorist, I draw three conclusions. One, on the best definitions of what it is to be a conspiracy theorist, conspiracy theorists do not deserve their reputation for irrationality. Two, there may be occasions on which we should settle for an inferior definition which entails that conspiracy theorists are after all irrational. Three, if and when we do this, we should recognize that conspiracy theorists so understood are at one end of a spectrum, and the really worrying form of irrationality is at the other end…”

    So, one man conspiracy is another man truth!!!


  46. Terrence M. Blackett, “It is a ‘Synagogue of Satan” (Jesus Himself said it)…They think they are *JEWS* according to YESHUA- but they are not!!!”

    This reference to a “Synagogue of Satan” is only found in Revelation 2:9, and 3:9, and has no bearing at all to the implied context you make, presumably Israel.

    It was to the church in Smyrna, that Jesus said, ‘I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, but thou art rich and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” (v.9).

    Perhaps Jews and pagans had pillaged their property (Heb. 10:34), poor as they already were. Blasphemy ( blasphemain). Reviling believers in Christ. The precise charge by the Jews is not indicated. These are actual Jews and only Jews, not Christians. ‘And they are not (kai ouk eisin) Another parenthesis like this in 2:2. These are Jews in name only, not spiritual Jews (Gal. 6:15f., Rom. 2:28). “A synagogue of Satan (sunagoge tou Satana). In 3:9 again and note 2:13, 24, serving the devil (John 8:44) instead of the Lord (Num. 16:3; 20:4).

    Although more Gentiles, disobedient to the teaching of Christ, have harmed Jews than vice versa, the believers in Smyrna were receiving persecution even from the Jews. The death of Polycarp, A.D. 155, was due in a major part to the demands
    of the Jews of Smyrna.

    Similarly, in Rev. 3:9, Jesus said to the church in Philadelphia, “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not…”

    In Romans 2: 28-29, Paul’s summation concerning what constitutes a true Jew. A ‘true Jew’ was a true follower of God, and thus those who rejected their Messiah were in reality not truly Jews at all. Christ promises that those Jewish parties who were disturbing the Philadelphians would be humbled, and they would be made to know that it was the Christians at Philadelphia who were the true followers of God.

    Yes, there are many Jews in Israel, who will feel the warth of Almighty God, just like Gentiles who reject His Son, Jesus Christ.

    But, the central point re the State of Israel, and all that has, and is presently unfolding, IS, God’s sovereign covenant established with Abraham, and his descendants, of which the rebuke in Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 has no bearing whatsoever!

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  48. @Nostradamus

    “David Aaronovitch argues that conspiratorial fantasy can have dangerous real-world consequences.”

    Agreed. That is why Christians destroyed so much knowledge and killed so many people over the years because they felt that the rest of the world was conspiring against them. The bible is a most heinous book, not necessarily for its content but for the fanatics, dictators and despots it has created. The same book reveals, “Ye shall know them by their fruit.” So what is the fruit of Christianity?

    Let me give an example. This Barbados is said to be a Christian society and what are its fruits:
    Racism
    Stigmatisation
    jealousy
    poverty
    hatred
    anger
    greed for money
    violence
    Crime
    animosity
    insults
    persecution

    Outside of Barbados you can add
    genocide
    war
    paranoia
    other crimes against humanity

    Take a look at Christians. After they engender all these societal problems, they never take leadership and never take responsibility for their actions; like the devil by the wayside; the snake in the grass. Constantly stirring up trouble in subtle ways and like cowards, run to their sanctum sanctorum when the trouble mushrooms to play that they more righteous and holy than anybody else and seek neutrality to escape the effects of the evil seeds that they sowed.


  49. I just got word that Zoe said the following

    “You have truly confirmed your depth of ignorance man! You are also likely then, to believe that the earth is flat, and the moon is made of green cheeze! What a deceived fool you are!”

    Yeah Zoe… me ignorant and I accept that. You however be Christian and I pity you man.


  50. @GP…………..”Most believers believe?” So what happens to the other believers who don’t believe? All along we were taught that this final coming would have been his second coming. Now there’s a 3rd coming as well? Is it possible that someone like Hopi who does not be live in this Jesus[but might repent and confess him as saviour] will get a 2nd chance to be also caught up with those unbelieving ‘jews’when he comes around that 2nd time?

    @ROK………True. Wars are not fought to be won. Wars are all concocted on a big damn lie and we have witnessed that today in our lifetime. Both WWsI & II were driven by lies and so was that other bogus “Civil War” in the US. Behind the scenes you will always find the zionist-jew, the Vatican and the Jesuits as the master-manipulators. As Smedley Butler said “War is a racket.” Wars are fought mainly for control, power and dominance and as a means of significantly REDUCING the human population. And this is no mystery. The blood-letting in Palestine will continue because Israhell was not set up to be some reliegious state, but to be just another major Redshield & Rockenfelder nerve centre. Just ask Bernie Madoff were his billions are presently sitting! Israhell was propagated on a big lie and that same lie will bring it DOWN!

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    To All Konscious BLACK people don’t fall for the bull shit that ‘jews’ are chosen by God because they are special. Go and do a good history on them and see exactly where they came from, who they were and who gave them a God-Konsciousness which they have obviously rejected. They did a patchwork on that Bible and have the minds of many in a dream world believing that they are special. They moved into Canaan and usurped the BLACKS who lived and stole our history.

    Black people learn your own history. Stop feeding at the trough of these LIARS!

    This planet is getting ready to purge itself from these lying blood-suckers so stay vigilant, nourish and cherish your MELANIN!

    Hotep!

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