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Artist Impression Of The Proposed Flyover At A Roundabout In Barbados

Do the light poles look any different now from those on any section of the highway?

(BAPE said the lightpole bases “looked small” 😉

Does the island in the Belle still look too far out in the road now the road is completed?

(Another BAPE point)

Now that the wells that were planned uphill from the Haggatt Hall area are in place, is there still water “sheeting” across the road?

(BAPE jumped to a wonderful evaluation on an incomplete project)

Now that we STILL have backups at the roundabouts is BAPE willing to admit that flyovers just MAY be warranted?

Its beginning to look more and more like the Barbados Association of Professional Engineers was either

(1) playing politics itself,

(2) being used to further others political ends or

(3) just didn’t know what they were talking about!

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449 responses to “Barbados Association Of Professional Engineers And The ABC Highway”

  1. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @nftm: “However i still would take issue with saying flyover do not help. Not EITHER/OR but AND.

    But at what COST??? I keep coming back to this…

    If they didn’t cost anything, then obviously flyovers wouldn’t hurt. (They (IM (and others’) HO) won’t help much, either…)

    But since they do cost (a great deal), are they the optimal solution?

    Fundamentally, this is not an engineering problem as much as an economic one. Why don’t we try working with the (possible) inexpensive solutions first?

  2. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    Chris.

    Like I said. We disagree on how much they will help.

    M.

  3. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @nfth…

    Do you disagree on how much they will cost? (A lot.)

    Do you disagree on how many they will help? (A very small percentage of the population.)

    Do you actually disagree that perhaps the other proposed options might be worth trying first???

    Do please tell…

  4. The Scout Avatar
    The Scout

    The argument about whether or not “FLYOVERS”is similar to the one made on the Highway originally. Four lanes was too expensive, so it was claimed. Now we’re added the extra lanes at a cost way gtreater than the original highway itself. I don’t see the NOW alternative helping much even now farless twenty years from now. Are then to leave it to a then government to spend millions of extra money that we , because of stupid politics refuse to spend? This whole thing looks immature

  5. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @The Scout: “This whole thing looks immature

    Now *this* I can agree with!!!

    I have no problems with spending money.

    I have problems with spending money without *knowing* that the spending is likely to bring benefits. (Read: what are the curves… Where do they cross?)

    How does one know? It’s called peer-reviewed modelling and analysis…

    Politics? Shouldn’t even be a variable in the equations…

  6. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    “Do you disagree on how many they will help? (A very small percentage of the population.)”

    Actually yes I do disagree on this point.

    A very large part of the population transits the highway on a daily basis, and will benefit from the use of the flyovers.

    One of the things that I have noted in discussions about traffic in Barbados is that people (perhaps understandably) view their experience as being everyone’s experience.

    Hence when the major stop in Hothersal Turning was switched recently, there was a chorus of complaints from people who never had to wait before that now had to wait. However a far greater number of people benefited, and a source of backup on to the highway on afternoons was reduced. I suspect alot of the supporters of the argument that “flyovers only help a small percentage of the population” are those who cross the highway on a morning and afternoon.

    I repeat…

    A very large amount of traffic goes along the highway and would benefit from flyovers.

    With a nod to Scout.

    It is interesting that when the original highway was built, one of the arguments against it (ironically by Errol Barrow who’s name is now on the same highway) was that the highway’s main benefit was was only to get tourists from the airport to the west coast. In effect that it would only benefit “a very small part of the population”.

    It would seem that the more things change the more they remain the same.

    Marginal

  7. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @notesfromthemargin: “Actually yes I do disagree on this point. A very large part of the population transits the highway on a daily basis, and will benefit from the use of the flyovers.

    But exactly what percentage? How much time is saved on an aggregate basis for the overall travel? What is the economic value of this benefit? What are the costs?

    @nfth… I have to admit that I’ve been enjoying your input into this debate.

    However, I stand by my above positions, and argue that the available solution spaces (when taking into considerations the economics of same) have not been fully explored.

    BTW, what ever happened to ru4real?

  8. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    Like I said ..

    I don’t think I’m going to win you over and I continue to disagree with you 🙂

    I also have enjoyed this.

    M.

  9. The Scout Avatar
    The Scout

    Let commonsense prevail. The problem with round-abouts is not necessary the round-about itself but its use. The traffic on the right is always right but this is taken to the extreme. If the traffic in front of the vehicle that has the right-of-way is blocked, why then come into the round-about and block the other vehicles path? The answer, because if you give way to the other vehicles, even when your path is clear the other vehicles don’t want to stop and give away to you. Therefore it is a dog eat dog at the round-abouts. What will happen with the expansion, three lane into the round-about is utter chaos. I see numerous accidents occuring and maybe some road rage. This is the perfect recipe for such.

  10. The Scout Avatar
    The Scout

    With the “flyovers” it would allow direct travel for the vehicles going straight, yet those who don’t want to use them, can continue as usual unto the round-about. It doesn’t take a rocket scientic to realise the benefits of the “flyovers” even though they can look a bit ugly unless landscaped properly. Let us back twenty years and see what the traffic was like, then look ahead and imagine what it would or could be, then we would see how inadequate the ideal now is. I maintain, it’s all politics and my grands and greatgrand are going to have to pay for our arrogance. Just imagine what the price to construct them then would cost. I would like the powers that be to wake up and stop being childish.

  11. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    I have to agree that the PM should have left some room to wriggle. In thinking though this debate, it occurred to me that vehicles trying to get from one side of the island to the next, should have options other than going through town or the suburbs.

    Maybe the problem is that all roads lead to Bridgetown. Therefore, if all those cars trying to get through the traffic that is going to Bridgetown could be removed, it would lighten the load to Bridgetown.

    The second thing is that at rush hour, the lane going in the opposite direction is usually light. How can this space be utilised? It becomes the opposite in the evening when everybody is getting out of Bridgetown.

    Take the example of coming out of St. George. All those cars that come down Constant and meet those coming from Glebe, etc. at the fork with Haggatt Hall. The question is, where are all of these cars going?

    First is that not all of these cars going into Bridgetown but have to get into a lane with those going to Bridgetown until they reach their turnoff. From that point on, they will probably ride in light traffic.

    It would seem to me that a few flyovers or access links at strategic points could work in order to cross the grid of those going to or coming from Bridgetown. Provide linkages to destinations such as Community College, schools, etc.

  12. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    IMHO private car usage will decrease dramatically in the next ten years, due to the massive fuel increases necessary with the scarcity of refined oil products.

    Mass transit allied to feeder PSVs are the way to invest in our future.

    One only has to look at the new price of oil, US$55, we think it is a bargain after the massive increases earlier this year.

    But wait how much was it three years ago US$17, and we are welcoming the new levels, a three fold increase – Hallelujah the petrogods have saved us.

    Triple the price and then bring it down to quell the screaming masses.
    They happy now?…is it accepted?

    Well lets triple it again. It works fine.

    Check out gas prices for the last ten years, and then extrapolate the increases for the next ten, frightening isn’t it?

    You think it won’t happen?
    You’re definitely living in La-La land.

  13. permres Avatar
    permres

    I quite agree, Straight talk, the private motor car will be a thing of extravagant luxury in the near future, a bit like a private helicopter is at the present time. That should solve a few of these arguments!

  14. The Scout Avatar
    The Scout

    RDK
    Flyovers though ugly and a proper road directional plan plus some flexy work hours would solve the problem. When the school is on summer holiday, it is a joy to drive on the roads. My wife and I used to take a Sunday afternoon drive sometimes but even that became problematic and we stopped.

  15. David Avatar
    David

    We agree with Chris that in the absence of empirical evidence our argument maybe getting circular. We raised the issue of a possible denigration of our landscape by building flyovers. We should not forget that tourists visit Barbados because of an ‘island’ appeal. Has the change to the perception the visitor may have been factored? We had this argument when discussing West Coast development some years ago and now where are we?

  16. Banqueo Avatar
    Banqueo

    Tell me why

    Why don’t you listen to what NFTM is saying you just keep harping on , bringing in red herrings . Methinks you do protest too much!
    The flyovers are obviously the best idea so dragging in every other road problem you can think off just shows you have no justifiable argument at all.

  17. Banqueo Avatar
    Banqueo

    David tourists are more put off by ugly great condominiums that block off the beaches than the roads that get them there.

  18. Learnee driver Avatar
    Learnee driver

    ru4real morphed into Banqueo et al.

    Tourists are turned off by constant traffic jams. ABC is often a long grid lock.

    Couple strategic fly overs would help tourists get to beaches, places of interest quicker , hassle free.

    What of pedestrians crossing highway? Where are overhead walkovers?

    John Boyce we cant believe you going with people walking across four lanes of speeding traffic.

    We are looking at a disaster in the making.

  19. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @All… On the subject of empirical evidence…

    We *know* that MPT collect empirical data as to traffic on specific roads. This is done by way of two pneumatic tubes crossing the road; one only passes have way. These are connected to a box with a solar panel, which count the number of vehicles crossing that particular road.

    However, this only gives a measure of the traffic at that particular point — it does not tell MPT where the vehicles travelling at that particular point came from, or where they’re going to.

    Let me please present that there is a way of collecting a more complete dataset as to where vehicles are travelling from, and to. When correlated with the above road-crossing data, in gives a very effective empirical picture of where we find ourselves.

    And it’s almost free.

    Cellular towers… The MPT could request from the two cellular providers here in Barbados data as to cellular phone movement.

    Despite what some think, this information does not let the providers know exactly where you are (it is not a GPS reading). However, it does let the providers know which of their transimition points you’re currently using, and therefore approximately (within a km or two) where you are.

    This information could be provided in a completely anonymous fashion — thus no “privacy” issues would arise.

    Using, for example, the phone number of the cell phone being tracked, the phone number could be passed through the standard MD5 function, to result in a unique, but unreversible ID.

    To demonstrate, in the Geek:

    $ echo 2461234567 | md5sum
    Result: 9dcd32db30e2efab92133ab4f59eb438
    $ echo 2461234568 | md5sum
    Result: cc5e65987eaf3d3ac18a36ab4f7e6ecb

    One might hope and expect that those advising the Leaders of the People would leverage efficiently on the available technology to do their jobs in the most expedite and cost effect manner possible.

    Just putting that out there….

  20. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    @ Banqueo

    Methinks you do protect wastage of public funds without a comprehensive assessment.
    I am saying it for the last time, FLYOVERS will not solve our grid problems. First, we have to deal with the core of the matter – Bridgetown. We have to deal with one way traffic and stop the many feeder roads that abound to main roads and make some of them one way roads. We have to make some drastic changes with our roads to make them work. Deal with these issues first before wasting money on flyovers. Awaiting rebuttals from RU4REAL and NFTM.

  21. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    Maybe the flyovers should take the traffic into and out of Bridgetown. Perhaps they are pointing the wrong way.
    ……………………………………………………….
    John made this submission back in August 24, 2008. I wholeheartedly agree with him.

    We could have one massive flyover starting from the Pine East West road and travelling behind the Water Authority and MTW passing over the grass land and skipping the road on traveling infront the People’s Cathedral. The old home once used by the Bishop of Barbados can be demolished and the flyover can traversed the stretch of road just below the hospital and using the old canal right up to the Globe Cinema. The empty space below the Globe can be used leading onto the Bank Hall area.

    What will be needed are entrance and exit points for this flyover within the city area. This is what you call a flyover, what RU4REAL and NFTM are simply RAMPS that will not solve our problems. This is the fundamental problem that Chris and myself are trying to get into your hard heads. We have to plan before wasting monies.

  22. Banqueo Avatar
    Banqueo

    Tell me why you are RAMPaging on like a RAMPant idiot what the **** does it matter what they are called .

  23. permres Avatar
    permres

    “We want flyovers because developed countries (and Trinidad) have flyovers.” It makes us look good!

    What about the idea that tourists would like to get away from flyovers?Why do they come here? Surely not to see flyovers?

    Concerning their desire to reach a beach of their choice, most of them who know Barbados book in close to their preferred beach.

    No-one needs flyovers, except those who can make a quick lining of their pockets, because it is capital expenditure which is the most openly available to kick-backs.

  24. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    Tell me why you are RAMPaging on like a RAMPant idiot what the **** does it matter what they are called .
    ……………………………………………………….
    Remember idiots can change intellectual nonsense that you are espousing. You are promoting Flyovers, where are the data and remedies my friend. Selling someone a piece of equipment without instructions can be a disaster.

  25. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    No-one needs flyovers, except those who can make a quick lining of their pockets, because it is capital expenditure which is the most openly available to kick-backs.
    ……………………………………………………….
    This says it all. Thanks ‘permes’.

  26. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    Sigh….

    TMW I look at some of your suggestions and marvel that you complain about the costs of the flyovers on the highway. I’m not going to touch the elevated roadway suggestion it would probably cost more than the flyovers.

    Reducing the number of feeder roads I think would help with the traffic flow on the roads into Bridgetown. However we would have to effectively find a way for the people living on those roads to have access.

    Perhaps no right turns out of feeder roads? It would help. You would need to provide roundabouts where people who want to go right could make a u-turn. Otherwise people will ignore the rule. Not cheap but doable.

    If we make main roads into town one ways we would have to find a way for people who live on the “wrong way” road. (say one that goes out of town) to easily get to one that goes in. Not impossible but once again not cheap.

    The difficulty is that this all takes place in an area where the population density is one of the highest in the WORLD. None of the above are impossible but will require land acquisitions, major expenditure and considerable disruption, and still the issue of traffic on the highway will not be solved.

    And one final point, what is the cost of doing nothing? How many man hours are lost every day to traffic? What is the cost of that?

    There are no easy or cheap answers to this question. I once again reiterate that flyovers/ramps/bridges (whatever you wish to call them) are PART of the solution. It is not a matter of either/or but AND.

    Marginal

  27. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    @ Notesfromthemargin.

    I have the problem with the building of the proposed flyovers and still not solving the fundamental problem of gridlocks into the city. My comprehensive suggestion is not a short term recipe,but a long term remedy that will call for serious planning, serious assessment and serious town hall meetings that could affect communities. This remedy will be called the City roundabout flyovers. The height will not affect vehicles traversing below and the exit points will merged with existing roads. That why I say we have two types of Flyovers. (a) The Ramp – which take you over a road and merge back onto the highway. (b) A flyover that will by pass problem areas with entrance and exit points.

    Barbados is small and motorist can travel a few yards to get on any proposed one-way street. In Canada and the States motorists travels for miles to get on a special highway. We have to adjust to modernised word systems or we will be complaining until the cows come home.

  28. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    There are no easy or cheap answers to this question. I once again reiterate that flyovers/ramps/bridges (whatever you wish to call them) are PART of the solution.
    ……………………………………………………….
    Flyovers to where………
    Will these solved Gridlocks……………….
    Will it be money well spent……………..

    We need answers.

  29. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @nftm: “I once again reiterate that flyovers/ramps/bridges (whatever you wish to call them) are PART of the solution. It is not a matter of either/or but AND.

    Sigh….

    How do you know this? How do *we* know this?

    Where is the raw empirical data???

    Where are the analyses working from the above data supporting this argument? (Please note the plural form.)

  30. Banqueo Avatar
    Banqueo

    Sigh….

    TMW I look at some of your suggestions and marvel that you complain about the costs of the flyovers on the highway. I’m not going to touch the elevated roadway suggestion it would probably cost more than the flyovers.

    ~~~

    I look at his suggestions and wonder which part of outer space he came from.
    It would be hard to invent a more idiotic idea.

  31. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    I look at his suggestions and wonder which part of outer space he came from.
    It would be hard to invent a more idiotic idea.
    ……………………………………………………….
    The reason that you cannot envisage such is based on your virgin brain being unable to see infrastructural planning down the road.

    You are so caught up in defending a failed decision that you refused to accept alternatives.

    It is either we build a real flyover passing through the city area OR major traffic changes in the city encompassing one-way traffic in and out of the city and making the majority of feeder roads into one-way traffic. This is the heart of our grid lock.
    Banqueo aka RU4REAL, In future, I will not respond to you unless you bring positive alternatives to alleviate our grid lock systems. Merry Christmas AG.

  32. Banqueo Avatar
    Banqueo

    AG

    Real flyover/virgin brains?

    A flyover is the term used to describe the intersection of two roads at which one is carried over the other by a bridge.
    Alternatively
    A fat gentleman garbed in red driving suspect horses at low altitude in the sky may also be described as a flyover

    A case of mistaken identity in more ways than one,too much Christmas cheer?

    Merry Christmas

  33. Brutus Avatar
    Brutus

    (Maybe and Johnson in the news – From Caribbean360.com)

    KINGSTON, Jamaica, December 12, 2008 – Jamaica’s State Minister in the Transport Ministry, Joseph Hibbert is expected to be interviewed by officials at the United Kingdom’s Serious Fraud Office (SFO) sometime in the New Year.

    Mr Hibbert’s residence and the home of businessman Deryck Gibson were searched on Wednesday in an international fraud investigation initiated by the SFO. The government official went in to be questioned the following day by the British officers who are in Jamaica, but his attorneys reportedly asked for more time after they reviewed documents presented by the officers.

    The searches and interview surround an investigation into UK-based bridge building firm Mabey and Johnson, which is accused of bribing public officials in a number of countries, including Jamaica.

    The company did work in Jamaica during Mr Hibbert’s tenure as Chief Technical Director in the Public Works Department (now the National Works Agency). In May 2003, the government secured a loan agreement for more than £22 million (US$32.8 million) for Mabey and Johnson to supply and construct 45 bridges across the island.

    Mr Gibson’s company – Deryck A. Gibson Ltd which supplies industrial machinery and equipment – also did contracts for the company. He is yet to be interviewed by police.

    Although Mr Hibbert has made no public statement on the matter, both Prime Minister Bruce Golding and the ruling Jamaica Labour Party have backed him in the matter.

    Mr Golding told parliament that the MP for East Rural St Andrew had denied any unlawful activity.

    “I have spoken personally with the member who has denied any knowledge of, or involvement in, any wrongdoing or illegal acts that might have led to these investigations,” the Prime Minister said.

    A statement released by the JLP indicated that after having discussions with Mr Hibbert, the party believed he had committed no impropriety.

  34. Brutus Avatar
    Brutus

    Sorry, Mabey.

    (From go-jamaica.com.)

    The Junior Minister for Transport and Works, Joseph Hibbert is to be officially interviewed as part of an international criminal probe early next year.

    Mr Hibbert and his lawyers, Ernie Smith and George Soutar met with local police today and the UK Serious Fraud Office disclosed documents to them.

    Businessman Deryck A. Gibson is also a part of the probe.

    The police say they are still waiting to set a time and date for his official interview.

    Yesterday, local detectives working with the UK based Serious Fraud office searched the St Andrew home of Mr Hibbert.

    The home of Mr Gibson was also searched.

    It’s understood that the probe is aimed at finding out whether the UK based Bridge Company Mabey and Johnson, engaged in bribery in Jamaica.

    In the meantime, Mabey and Johnson has filed a claim to recover damages for fraud and conspiracy.

    Deryk A Gibson, his company, Deryk A Gibson Limited, Jonathan Danos and a Mr Joyce are named as the defendants.

    Court documents filed in the UK say the alleged fraud involves conspiracy to inflate commission for bridgework between Mr Gibson, Mr Danos and Mr Joyce.

    Two weeks ago Mr Gibson told The Gleaner that a case against his company has been settled. That settlement was 75,000 British pounds

    Documents from a UK High Court confirm that Mabey and Johnson is in fact staying the action against Deryk A Gibson Limited

  35. Isambard Avatar
    Isambard

    Who cares what happens in Jamaica
    PES or Clico have now taken over the ABC highway .

  36. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    That was on the cards from the moment David Thompson won the election.
    Its payback time buddies and thats the real reason why 3S were sacked.
    Had to make room for the new guys on the block and their mates.
    So it causes a few delays – its 7 months now and a whole shed load more money.
    BU must be pleased with the development if the rest of the road using public isnt.

  37. Galli Cantu Avatar
    Galli Cantu

    And we are hearing even as the ABC highway is still under construction, that further work is to be carried out expanding certain roundabouts, that were probably completed during the present improvement work. Looks like it will never end. The Minister of Transport, a Professional Engineer, doesn’t seem to have as much say and ideas as when the other side was in control.

  38. Galli Cantu Avatar
    Galli Cantu

    Some of the changes made to the ABC highway design, ensures that we will need some sort of flyover or overpass at some roundabouts /junctions. Take for instance, the BET or Lime junction. Coming from Carter and Company and wishing to turn onto the highway to proceed toward the Gary Sobers junction, one is being asked to merge with traffic on your left, American style,coming down BET hill at a great rate of speed.. This is not easy for those of us with RHD vehicles. This junction, sad to say, is slated to become an Accident Blackspot.

  39. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    Redds // August 23, 2008 at 11:04 am

    ru4real don’t let these idiots dicourage you, the flyovers will come and it will cost the people of bim even more than before, with thompson bossom buddy Leroy CLICO Parris leading.
    ——————————————
    Redds you certainly have the gift of prophecy it appears now that the flyovers are going ahead but with guess who doing the building?
    Yup gotit right first go.
    The deafening silence from BAPE – no nonsense about tenders etc now signifies that they knew all along that this was on the cards.
    The smear campaign against 3S was solely to get than out and ClICO in.
    Sure its cost Bajans more moolah and disruption but what the ****
    BTW Can you tell me which numbers I can use for the lottery ?

  40. fairplay Avatar
    fairplay

    Redds
    This is very interesting does it mean the whole scenario will be repeated with different players.
    The more things change….

  41. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    ru4real // September 4, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Wow
    I see that new zebra crossings have been painted on the highway .
    (pedestrian bridges were the origin ideal)

    This is an accident just waiting to happen.
    ———————————–
    well whatyda know 4 months after I mentioned this Eric Lewis in the Advocate has noticed this too.
    Funny hes saying they need a walkover
    He must have been looking over the plans ( 3S plans) that included a pedestrian overpass here.
    MPTs decision to put a Zebra crossing there is madness.
    Bape – so concerned with road safely – once again nothing to say – too busy measuring the lamp posts.
    Like I said in September – its accident waiting to happen.

  42. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    ru4real // January 10, 2009 at 1:05 am

    ru4real // September 4, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Wow
    I see that new zebra crossings have been painted on the highway .
    (pedestrian bridges were the origin ideal)

    This is an accident just waiting to happen.
    ———————————–
    well whatyda know 4 months after I mentioned this Eric Lewis in the Advocate has noticed this too.
    Funny hes saying they need a walkover
    He must have been looking over the plans ( 3S plans) that included a pedestrian overpass here.
    MPTs decision to put a Zebra crossing there is madness.
    Bape – so concerned with road safely – once again nothing to say – too busy measuring the lamp posts.
    Like I said in September – its accident waiting to happen.
    ————————————–
    Aint no one concerned thats for sure.
    BAPE where are you ?
    Aint you got no comment?
    You are are SO concerned about the ‘safety’ of the ABC gone all quiet all of a sudden .
    Well since July anyhow.

  43. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    Aint no one concerned thats for sure.
    BAPE where are you ?
    Aint you got no comment?
    You are are SO concerned about the ’safety’ of the ABC gone all quiet all of a sudden .
    Well since July anyhow.

  44. Fairplay Avatar
    Fairplay

    4real no one seems bothered about it .
    Very quiet.

  45. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    From the Advocate.
    The PM has appointed Mr Abdul Pandor to ‘investigate’ the supposed ‘cost over runs’ on the ABC highway.
    At the same time Mr Pandor ‘s company is completing or more aptly not completing the road project .
    See BFP – How much did Abdul Pandor invoice the Government for work on the ABC…………

  46. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    Any Bape people out there?

    From The nation
    Date February 03, 2009
    MY OPINION of our new double lane highway is that it was a waste of the taxpayers’ money.

    It has not made any improvement to the traffic congestion on our roads.

    Cancelling the buildingof the flyovers was a major short-sighted mistake.

    The whole idea of the Barbados Labour Party was to have a complete highway from Top Rock to Warrens that was drivable with no stops or unnecessary diversions, like the traffic flow around the Wildey area that takes you off the highway to go around a block of buildings and then back onto the highway.

    Please, someone explain the point of this? The Warrens area is in desperate need of over passes and the junction at Upton and BET hill is a death trap, where three sets of traffic have to all merge into four lanes.

    Fast moving traffic

    Having a pedestrian crossing over four lanes of fast moving traffic is a crazy idea. How many people will have to be knocked down before someone decides that the sensible thing to do is build a walk-over?

    Barbadian drivers also need to be taught how to use a double lane road. The lane to be driving in is not determined by which direction you are turning at the roundabout.

    You should drive in the left lane and overtake in the right lane only; when you are finished overtaking, you move back into the left lane. Then when you approach the roundabout you change lanes according to which way you want to turn.

    This way, if you have two cars driving side by side at 40 kilometres it does not cause a build-up behind them and drivers will not be tempted to zig zag in and out of the traffic to get ahead of slow moving drivers.

    I know the road is not completed, but I don’t see how it can possibly be an improvement when the traffic is just as bad, if not worse than before!

    – NIGEL RICHINGS

  47. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    No one is interested in Mr Richings letter obviously – we have after all heard it all before.
    But we didnt take any notice of it too busy slagging off the contractors who tried to tell us how it would be but the cabal at MPW know better.
    And the nit pickers of BAPE were too busy nursing their own hurt feelings.
    Incidentally now that Clico who own Rayside appear to be going down the pan is the road EVER going to get finished?

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