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The educational system of Barbados was placed under the microscope by erudite BU family member Bush tea, when he submitted a thought provoking analysis rebutting the call by Peter Wickham et al to abolish the 11 plus examination on May 15, 2008. We are sure that the elevated discussion which ensued would have benefited readers and commenters alike. Although we had to tolerate the chest thumping behaviour by the HC, Lodge and Combermere graduates, we remind BU family members that whether in the United kingdom or United States most countries have developed educational systems which identify and stream children which demonstrate superior abilities. Attempts to dumb down our current educational system to appease the misuse of egalitarian ideals espoused by Peter Wickham et al should be viewed with suspicion.

Whenever Barbadians are driven to discuss reform in our educational system the focus can be predicted to fall on the secondary school system. In the BU household it is our opinion that our primary school system requires equal scrutiny. For some of us who have operated within the educational system, there is the common knowledge that the primary schools which extract the best 11-plus results rely on the strategies of teachers on site. Most Barbadians can list the public primary schools which are known to promote high standards and more importantly a high level of sweat equity from the teachers.

It comes as no surprise to us that former Prime Minister Owen Arthur’s family had a huge comfort level sending his daughter to West Terrace primary school.

The teaching staff at West Terrace has developed a reputation for developing a scheme which is responsive to the needs of ALL their children. Their willingness to go the extra mile which is provoked by their passion to make that environment receptive to learning is fast developing a national reputation.

Another island worth looking at is Barbados, which shows that the type of achievements made in Cuba are not restricted by communism, but by visionary leaders with the right strategies and passion. I guess the key word here, which you rightly mentioned, is ‘passion’. I’ve often wondered what our prospects could’ve been, if even half of the billions being sent down the drains annually to keep Air Jamaica flying were invested instead in education and even health care.

Source: Jamaican Gleaner

The quote above should cause Barbadians to feel good about what we have accomplished in education as a small island in our post independence period. However the reality is that we live in a dynamic environment, as a people we have to rely on relevant strategies within the education arena to equip our youth at every level to be productive citizens of the world. Against this requirement we must continue to critique our current educational system to determine relevance.

Since the Bush tea article we have received several notes which have highlighted anomalies in our primary education system. We have been able to verify some of those anomalies and we hope that the BU family would comment on what are some serious characterizations:

  • Many primary school children who have been identified as ‘special needs’ within the primary school sometimes have to wait for more than a school year to gain the required transfer to other institutions to match their requirements. There is one case where the evaluating results of a primary school student was available only after the child had been placed into the secondary school system
  • There is the case where some primary school children have been able to reach Class 1 and II who cannot read or write their names
  • The most gut wrenching story received is that of two students who got zero marks in the 11 plus examination. The travesty is not that the children would have participated in the primary system and yielded such a disappointing result, but the lack of an immediate response from our educational system
  • One of the notes received was highly critical of the ‘Criterion Test’ which is presided over by the Ministry of Education. As we understand it, it is a test given to all primary students at the Infants B through to the Class 2 standard irrespective of what levels of understanding the students have attained. As if this is not bad enough the results to the Criterion Tests are often returned months and years later after completion. The obvious problem with this scenario is that the lag caused by the late availability of the results of the test negates a solution oriented approach
  • Last but not least is the over sized classrooms within our primary school set-up, sometime 30+ which means that those children who require remedial care are doomed even before they start the journey of fulfilling their right to be correctly educated. The future of Barbados and the world depends on the readiness of the generation in waiting to build on foundations laid.

It is not our intention to be negative. It is our intention to provide simple analysis of our primary education system which needs to be improved.


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117 responses to “Primary Comes Before Secondary ~ Educational System Failing Our Infants”


  1. vision, determination and money are needed….like most things


  2. In the Daily Nation, pg 10, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, there is a letter over the name of one Michael Griffith – entitled Lets Face It – 11-Plus here to stay.

    The writer of this piece of mangled foolishness must be told in no uncertain terms that one of the first major acts of a future PDC Government will be to start the process of the Abolition of the Common Entrance Examination (CEE) in Barbados.

    So, the writer must properly get it in his head that this colonial, elitist, unfair, archaic and deficient sytem of testing and transfering pupils from primary level to secondary level WILL IN FACT be Abolished by a future PDC Government.

    So full of mishmash nonsensical argumentation is this letter that we hope that the writer really did NOT attend the Combermere School. Thus, it is total ignorance of the highest order for this writer to be reported as so stupidly stating that “the breeding ground (sic) of elitism is cultivated during the process of selection of the best and brightest children for the top schools, such as Combermere, Harrison College, The Lodge School, Queen’s College and so on”.

    That is among the most foolish and insensate public statements we in PDC have observed for the year!! How could one get the breeding ground of anything is cultivated?? Sheer cacaphonous foolishness!!
    The point also is that the breeding ground of elitism is certainly NOT, NOT EVER located in or developed by the CEE, however terrible it is. Pure blinkered codswallop to state otherwise!! Rather such is found within the social, poitical, material and financial value, learning and role systems inside and outside out aBarbados.

    Furthermore, the writer is totally confusing social elitism (a social belief and praxis system), which the Common Entrance Examination and, by extension, the Barbados educational system have been designed to help reinforce and reproduce as much as possible, consistent with a long established essentially elitist Barbadian social, political, material and financial system, with the academic brilliance and excellence of various school children of any social, class, racial, religious and other backgrounds.

    Whereas, the majority of the masses and middle classes in Barbados must surely denounce social elitism and do as much as possible to see it replaced in Barbados, by greater egalitarian and socially just principles, they must however accept that there will always be the brightest and the best in whatever areas of human life, and therefore that they individually or collectively must strive for – or naturally produce – such excellence and brilliance.

    The writer must surely be a peddlar of a very toxic brand of neo-Grecian mythology when he is reported as stating that “such a method enables these selected brightest groups from the 11-plus results to continue through life as marked products of the best of Barbados’ education (sic). Fortunately, thousands upon thousands of Barbadians already know that it is NOT SO MUCH the schools you go to BUT MORE SO how committed or NOT students are to the various formal/semi-formal learning processes in the country and getting good certified results that will mainly get you as far as being educated ( and as far as being called an educated jackass ) NOT THROUGH life, getting greater wealth and power, getting greater spitiritual comfort per se. What a trash writer!!

    Nevertheless, the fact is that Common Entrance Examination has for years been failing many of our school children, in so many ways. In one way, it does NOT cater to the proper development of the latent talents and abilities of a greater cross-section of pupils at the primary school level.

    In another way, it is illogically based on a single Exam divided into three parts – Math, Use of English and English Composition, and therefore very deliberately does NOT cater to the widest possible extensive and intensive, well scrutinized assessment of the intellectual, technical and physical strengths and weaknesses of primary school pupils.

    And, finally, in another way (out of so many other ways) it does NOT properly allocate pupils to the secondary school level based on reasonable concerns that particular secondary schools may well be too far from the communities in which particular pupils reside or from where parents or guardians work, that the circumstances involving getting to and the milieu surrounding particular secondary schools may totally adversely affect the academic and non-academic outlook of some tranferred pupils.

    Therefore, a future PDC Government shall surely seek to Abolish the CEE and to put in its place a national system of Continuous Assessment involving primary and secondary levels. And shall move towards the implementation of Full Zoning of Schools barring a few cases that will surely NOT be amenable to such.

    PDC


  3. I never read the PDC posts! They are simply far to long. I would suspect most pass right over them.


  4. The writer of this piece of mangled foolishness must be told in no uncertain terms that one of the first major acts of a future PDC Government will be to start the process of the Abolition of the Common Entrance Examination (CEE) in Barbados.
    ……………………………………………………………………..
    He is right when he stated the CEE will never be abolished. Why, we will never have a PDC government.


  5. If you check in May’s entries of my BR, like the 2nd, you’d see there’s a lecture from Dr George Lamming – he cites primary school teachers must have best tools to educate children and have most incentives to stay and guide this country’s future


  6. I am unsure as to what should be done about the 11 plus. I might suggest that we keep it and parallel it with continuous assessment.

  7. A True Believer Avatar
    A True Believer

    continus asessmnet is bare crap. The rich people children will have all the advantages and the teachers will favor there friends. The 11plus is the fairest way at least the boy that call me uncle could get in combermere. When he get projects at school i got to come to work to use the computer and help he during my lunch. you could imagine what trouble he would be in if he had to do this in primary school?


  8. How come Japan and France do not use an 11-plus method and yet they have better standards of education?

    Indeed – are there any other countries which use an 11-plus method? It is bare stress for the child! I have never forgotten and would not want that for a child of my own…

  9. Bajan overseas Avatar
    Bajan overseas

    I want to come home with my five yr old son and put him in a good school. When I ask family and friends about good schools the main thing they focus on is 11-plus exam results! What happens at school between the ages of 5 and 11? Further, besides language arts and math, what else is going to contribute to the educational development of my child? No one has told me that a school is good because of the safety of the children, school size, reasonable class sizes, good behaviour of the students, good relationship between parents and teachers, good extracurricular activities, information technology, art, on-site facilities, maintainance of the school compound, etc. Right now, I am very happy with the preschool he is attending here, as I had carefully chosen it based on my criterion of a good preschool. I am still hoping to be able to make a decision as to where to send my child based on more than just the school’s performance on one standardized test.

  10. Gabriel the Horn Blower Avatar
    Gabriel the Horn Blower

    Ian Bourne,

    Japan does not have an 11+ but they have an “18+”. It is the incredibly hard and competitive entrance exams for university. Some Japanese students have committed suicide after failing these exams. As for France you could not want a more elitist system (in all the negative contexts) than that of their Grand Ecoles! Entry to these institutions is often based on family background and social class as much as merit and having gone to one them almost ensures the graduate of a leading position in France.


  11. Amazing that we critique the primary system and the discussion comes back to the 11plus. What is it about the 11 plus! 🙂

  12. Gabriel the Horn Blower Avatar
    Gabriel the Horn Blower

    Sorry I was merely responding to Ian Bourne’s post. I have always maintained that concern with the 11+ is overdone.


  13. To my colleague Ian Bourne:

    I could not help but jump in this one…having lived in both Japan and Brazil…let me share this…
    All countries have some sort of screening system…it’s just that we start ours a tad early…
    I suspect that using the 80-20 principle…we would see similar results even if we widened the testing criteria and subject areas or did a similar test at 14 yrs or 18 yrs…
    The simple law of nature (the 80-20 principle) is that the top 20% will always rise to the top…
    Should Barbados be proud of an institution like HC? Absolutely…
    Here’s a real example of what happened to a country that abolished the 11plus equivalent…Brazil…
    Those with deep pockets will send their children to the best private schools and/or have private lessons/tutors and will be the ones to benefit most at the secondary and tertiary levels…
    Abolishing the 11plus will actually undermine the elitism of the secondary system…then we will see a resurgence of expensive private schools that will lock out the poor…and only the privileged graduates from these private schools will end up at tertiary institutions. This is what took place in Brazil…
    Some research has also shown the the ideal education would be PRIMARY in Japan (which is very similar to ours in terms of methodolgy), SECONDARY in Europe (France, Germany, Spain) and UNIVERSITY level and postgrad in the USA…of course this is very basic but it gives an idea about the methodologies that are employed according to the age group…
    So our primary system, though flawed, has some merit…
    The 11+ though flawed…is the lesser of the two evils…
    What we need urgently are magnet schools…where students can be identified after the 11plus and channeled into special schools …the evidence of a “one-curriculum-for- all” shows that it’s obviously not working…and we have failed thousands of people with true potential because of a unified curriculum…
    So we have to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water but at the same time we should not fear reform to match modern day needs…
    One area of serious reform is the student – teacher ratio…which should not really exceed 15:1, and new methodologies for teaching MATH…the UK used these methods since the 70s when they realized that too many students were failing MATH…and we are not going to achieve full development without more graduates in science and applied technologies…and this hinges upon a good grasp of MATH…
    (I will email you a paper on a magnet school for the arts)

  14. Birdpickmango Avatar

    As I read PDC blogs the theme of abolition is ever present. I am therefore led to conclude that the title People Abolitionist Party is perhaps more appropriate for their cause. Not so long ago PDC would abolish taxes and exchange levies. Now it is the 11 plus exam and elitism even though some of its membership completed very successful tenures at HC.
    While it is everyone right to have an opinion, there are some matters that I would not dare comment on. At times I wish that others would do the same. Linking the 11+ exam with privillege and elitism make good political fodder, but does not do justice to a complex issue -the issue of transition of students – that has been long a thorny issue in many parts of the world. In New York at this very moment, the City is breaking up large schools – (ages 10 – 14 and 14 -19 ) and replacing them with schools for ages 10 – 19 schools in order to avoid all the issues related to transition. It has been well documented that the most of the brain is developed by age 13. This places the quality of our primary education above the turnstile. What is the point of having a continuous assessment and a superb transfer system when the primary system is deteriorating. It is also clear that the smaller the society the greater the need for it to have an elite education. It is a tradegy that people deliberately or otherwise confuse snobbery – false sense of worth and importance – with creating a crop of quality thinkers. The record will show that Harrison College, Queens College, Lodge and others in the sixties for example, produced graduates who took with them at least two years of University content. Some of them did their homework with the help of a street lamp. Others could scarcely pay school fees. Still other had one or two school uniforms that had to be washed during the week. The record would further show that there were many primary school graduates of that same period who spoke Latin and Spanish fluently and who were able to continue their studies in UK and USA up to University level, with minimal effort. It is time we stop these negative general statements about a past that will sooner rather than later direct our future.

  15. Birdpickmango Avatar

    Ian Walcott – re pupil teacher ratio

    During the eighties ( don’t know if policy has changed ) we faced this issue. Since many of the countries that lend money for capital development purposes have higher pupil teacher ratios that we have, those persons who process loans considered it not fair to agree to any program that would reduce our pupil teacher ratio.
    I favor the restructuring of our educational plant that would create a partnership with business for a number of schools for the purpose of developing skills based elective programs at a limited number of schools . Starting with pilot projects the students of these schools – geographically dispersed across the island and falling under the polytechnic responsibility- would graduate with skills that would even allow them to start their own business. If we accept that full employment is a desirable goal we must stop the train that keeps students in school until after twenty five ( UWI) with raised expectations in non skilled areas. There is no reason why some of these programs could not interact with the public just like the hotel school.

  16. politically incorrect Avatar
    politically incorrect

    Seems to me that a certain School that was forced to close its doors voiced all those concerns to the Ministry of Education and The Honourable Prime Minister and Former Prime Minister to no avail.

    You didn’t want to believe what the owners had to say then. Claimed that the letter they sent was purported to have been sent.

    What goes around comes around.

    You all could talk till the “cows come home” you will not, I repeat not see any change.

    There is an agenda regarding the “dumbing down” of children that is far bigger than any of you.


  17. politically incorrect we have not time for semantics. From where we sit if we have one side of a story using words like purported and alleged makes just good sense. Why not praise BU for publishing the letter? We would have love to have known about the issue with that school before a decision was taken to close but what can we say.

    We agree that Barbadians need to evenly align its focus on the educational system. The status driven nature of the Barbados society and the attendant snobbery associated with the secondary school system is making the problem a hard one to solve.


  18. Let us repeat: WHENEVER A FUTURE PDC GOVERNMENT IS ELECTED IN THIS COUNTRY, WE WILL START, AND SURELY END, THE PROCESS OF THE ABOLITION OF THE COMMON ENTRANCE EXAMINATION (CEE) IN BARBADOS.

    We are ABSOLTELY SURE of this intention, primarily because we have long studied the very deleterious effects upon the majority of the masses, middle and elite classes of people of Barbados, of this colonial, elitist, unfair, archaic and deficient system.

    And, yes, these wonderful people of the masses and middle classes – the vast majority of whom carry the burden of worst effects of this system – and indeed their most noble and greatest social, political, material, financial and spiritual aspirations, MUST NOT THEREFORE, IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE, CONTINUE to be helped tremendously thwarted – as is the case now -in their attempts to progress and develop further in this Barbadian social system – by such backward and odious system.

    Surely, we are NOT the DLP and BLP that have long been apparently playing mind games with, particularly, the majority of the masses and middle classes of people of this country, on the subject of the ABOLITION OR NOT OF THIS CEE.

    Also, we have long been promugating – since 2002 – that we WILL ABOLISH the CEE in our meetings – both in-house and open air/public. Just read our 2006 Pre-election Manifesto and it will be seen that NOT ONLY are we going to ABOLISH the CEE whenever we become at the helm of the government of this country, BUT ALSO that we are going to establish a University of Barbados from out of the University of the West Indies; that we are going to introduce a system of Specialized Schools for Barbados – whereby ONLY five schools shall exist, with the possibility of one or two more at later points in time:

    1) The Barbados Natural Sciences Academy, which shall include the present Harrison College, the existing Christ Church Foundation, Ellerslie Secondary and Lester Vaughn Secondary Schools,

    2) The Barbados Languages Academy, which shall include the present Queen’s College, the extant Alexandra Secondary, St. James Secondary, and the St. George Secondary Schools,

    3) The Barbados Technical and Vocational Academy, which shall include the present Lodge School, the present Alleyne, Parkinson Memorial, and Deighton Griffith Memorial Schools,

    4) The Barbados Social Sciences Academy which shall include the present Combermere School, the present St. Michael’s, the St. Lucy Secondary, and Grantley Adams Memorial Secondary Schools,

    5) The Barbados Technological Academy, which will include the existing Coleridge and Parry Secondary School, (previously the Louis Lynch Memorial Secondary School), the existing Springer Memorial Secondary, and Princess Margaret Secondary Schools.

    Some of these branches/schools shall retain their names, and ALL shall maintain their present locations, with these structures as much as possible being on par with one another in each of these academies. Each student in each academy, at the age of 13 and more, shall, with their combined parents or guardians and the academies and business establishment’s approval, have the option of serving for at least ten hrs per week at any APPROVED BUSINESS or other RELEVANT ESTABLISHMENT corresponding to what the academy teaches. As for all of these Academies, these shall be run by properly constituted Boards of Management that shall be responsible for developing strong relationships with the Boards of Managements of Primary Schools across the country.

    Also, in this Pre-election Manifesto, there is reference to the fact that a future PDC Government shall implement a National Continuous Assessment Program, whereby such a Program shall, et al, be level-based as that each pupil/student shall be required to perform to particular academic, technical, vocational, linguistic levels/standards etc., but based on that pupil/student being assessed by independent assessors, experts and scientists (NOT their own teachers), for HIS/HER own academic, technical, vocational, linguistic, physical abilities, potentials, strengths and weaknesses etc, before moving onto a higher level; and whereby in this said Program NO grades and marks shall be awarded to the pupils/students; and whereby NO schools/teachers shall be allowed to label or otherwise represent pupils/students as PASSES OR FAILURES.

    Also, finally, in this Manifesto reference is made to the fact that such a Program shall introduce FULL zoning of primary and secondary schools, whereby a pupil or student shall be TRANSFERRED based entirely on NON-ACADEMIC CRITERIA; and reference made to the fact that such a government shall establish two Rastasfari Schools for Rastafari and non-Rastafari in Barbados and elsewhere, and reference made to the fact that a PDC regime shall establish two schools for Pan-Africanists and non-Pan-Africanist in Barbados and elsewhere.

    PDC


  19. David, where is our very last contribution under this thread. We have NOT seen it here at one of our centres!!

    PDC


  20. I have always believed that schools teach too much irrelevant information, and some of the courses taught are not taught well. Five years learning a language and students still cannot function in a native speakers environment. Eleven years leaning English and many students at 16 cannot write a business letter or converse using correct grammar.

    Half of the focus of schools should be to teach life skills, parenting skills, entrepreneurship, business skills, volunteerism, spirituality and humanism.


  21. Bajanboy // June 5, 2008 at 8:34 am

    I have always believed that schools teach too much irrelevant information, and some of the courses taught are not taught well. Five years learning a language and students still cannot function in a native speakers environment.
    ================================

    ….Indeed. Then you have to create irrelevant jobs for these recipients of irrelevant degrees. I was just over at BFP reading about an Art exhibition by one Ingrid Persaud who BFP termed as the Barbados Museum’s ARTIST IN RESIDENCE. Why does the Museum need such a person is clearly understood by me, but is clear so far is that this lady needs or maybe is entitle to a job and bet you she has an irrelevant degree to prove it. 😀 Of course i could be plain wrong on all of this. Somebody put muh in muh place nuh?


  22. I ENJOYED THE 11+

    I enjoyed primary school. I really enjoyed the 11+. I honestly thought that 11+ day was great FUN. On 11+ day I had the opportunity to go the big children’s school, this was exciting, I got to take a packed lunch (fried flying fish in a salt bread and a small red frute, in a fancy lunch bag) instead of going home to eat lunch with my mother and siblings, I got a little sweetie money for after the exam. I got a new pencil, a new eraser and a new ruler; and I got some fresh sweet smelling foolscap paper on which to write my test. I wrote the test, no stress, no problem. After the exam I got the opportunity to lime in Speightstown with my sister and to while away the afternoon looking inthe store windows. Then I eagerly anticipated the exam results.

    Many years later my children also eagerly anticipated 11+ day.

    My nephew wrote the 11+ this year and all of us are looking forward to the results.

    I expect that most children enjoy the 11+ as much as I did. I think however that some of us look back on our childhood with the wisdom of our adult years and see our childhood selves as failures. On 11+ day children do not see it like that. On 11+ day the children are enjoying themselves.

    What is the matter with some of us “old” folks that we want to take all the pleasure out of childhood?

    Leave the 11+ alone do.


  23. Nothing wrong with being an artist in residence. George Lamming is writer in residence at UWI. Nothing wrong with that either.


  24. Cant believe we are back on this subject.

    So somebody please explain to me-what happens when you take the top 11 plus passers and put them all in the same school , give them all the help and then call them bright –BUT
    you ignore the others , give them no help and call them failures.

    just like in calypso—you give plastic bag and gabby all the help: winning crowns even thouigh songs might not be up to scratch; repeated appearances at various shows thus helping them to improve their craftmanship and providing ready sponsorship and all the airplay. you ignore the others and then say that bag and gabby is the best.

    something is wrong
    are we developing the nation
    somebody talk to me !

  25. Micro-Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro-Mock Engineer

    Cuh dear… Bush tea, why you doan put dem writing skills to good use an pen a song fuh Asiba dis year?

  26. Birdpickmango Avatar

    Asiba-

    Believe me, ongoing discussion on education be the 11+, adult education, co-education, work skills, excellence or purpose driven schools is a absolute necessary for any small society.

    There are many myths about the 11+ test that are left opened ended because of : the political that is intrinsic in it, a perceived inequality amongst schools, and, in some cases an unwillingness to investigate the broader implication of the exam.
    When the press carries a headline: 10 scholarships for the Community College, or Only one scholarship for HC this year, it sells papers but does not paint a true picture. The Community College is a feeder school and offers Community College electives that are not on the curriculum of the traditional grammar school. Further examination of the result may show that 7 of the 10 CC winners spent 7 years at HC and 2 years at CC. So where’s the Beef? On the other side of the coin, it is the parents who, choose up or down for a school after the results are known. There have also been cases where some students will deliberately do poorly in order to go to school with their friends.
    It is not true to say that students who go the newer secondary schools receive less help -instruction – than HC say. I can guarantee you that the”placebo” effect is also at work. History will show that there has been several students after transfer to an older school works harder and gets improved results not because of “better teaching or facilities. The change comes about because of the power of expectation.
    The most significant impact of the11+plus exam has nothing to do with matters you have raised. It has been a reality in many parts of the world that females (ages 10-12 ) generally do better on attainment tests than males. Consequently there has been a significant shift in the distribution of the male population, even though some quota system had to be established in order to prevent the schools of first choice from becoming all females. Some argue that this is why the interest and performance of our males in sports has declined.
    I don’t know how well you know Gabby or RPB. I can assure you that both of them understand their craft. In the case of RPB don’t let his demeanour fool you. Over the years he has developed a well organized machine that has for at least twenty five years, consistently produced quality albums and attracted persons interested in research.

  27. Good news for BCC students Avatar
    Good news for BCC students

    In 2006, the Ministry of Education reviewed the criteria for the Barbados Scholarship. It was decided then, that from this year (2008), students of the BCC would be required to attain a 4.0 GPA in order to recieve the B’dos Scholarship also repeats of exams would not be considered.

    Last month, the Ministry issued a notice that these regulations would NOT be implemented this year but will come into effect in 2009. No reason has been given for the change but rumour has it that no student at the BCC has a 4.0 GPA and so no students would have been eligible for scholarships this year.

    So for 2008 the requirements for a scholarship remain a 3.8 GPA for BCC students. However students at sixth form schools must still get 8 grade ones at CAPE (which translates into a 4.0 GPA).


  28. When I scroll through these responses and come across anything written by the PDC, I skip to the next respondent without blinking an eye. PDC aholes need to learn brevity. You guys are in the same league as the commie sung group. PDC what!


  29. Man MME,

    I can’t help Asiba… he needs more that a good song. He need to pass the 11 plus for a good Arts school where they teach singing skills….

    … but he does blog real sweet though…


  30. That Anonymous is me MME -sorry


  31. The writer has obviously never sent a child to West Terrace primary. While there are those exceptional teachers who do go that extra mile, there are those who should retire. West Terrace Primary is one of those glaring examples why the 11+ should not be abolished. To much favourtism.


  32. I can’t help Asiba… he needs more that a good song. He need to pass the 11 plus for a good Arts school where they teach singing skills….

    ———————————–>
    never had a problem there buddy -never had a problem with singing , writing , playing instruments or any such thing.

    I often speak on behalf of other persons when I do speak.
    -not a personal thing at any time with me.

    I hardly have a personal axe to grind
    please don’t mis-interpret my sentiments re gabby , bag. -that was just to emphasize that people do need help never mind how good they are perceived to be.

    neither am I complaining


  33. The Common Entrance Exam is the most democratizing feature of our educational system. You know why? Because it allows both the boy from the Great House tenantry and the boy from the Great House the opportunity to attend Harrison College.
    If not for it the boy from the Great House will go to the top private or public school beacuse of who he is.
    Bajans behave as though only the children of elites go to the “top” schools. The fact is the child of the doctor and the groundman can sit in the same classroom once they have the same ability.
    At the primary level there is no entrance exams, yet we know the “top” primary schools: Erdiston, Charles F. Broome etc. If you check it many of the students at the schhols don’t come from the surrounding district. How do they get there? They know somebody. If we abolish the CEE “top” secondary schools will still emerge and the people who “know someone” will be sending their children there.
    The merit system of the CEE will be over replaced by the more insidious class sytem which obtains in BIM.
    I know of a vendor who sold outside the hospital while her son worked as a doctor inside. She had the opportunity to have her son schooled among the brightest and best. Without the CEE the outsome might have been different. But at least the CEE still allows working class people with “bright ” children to have that aspiration .


  34. know of a vendor who sold outside the hospital while her son worked as a doctor inside. She had the opportunity to have her son schooled among the brightest and best. Without the CEE the outsome might have been different. But at least the CEE still allows working class people with “bright ” children to have that aspiration
    ———————————–
    HOW SO ??????


  35. I feel the 11+ should be abolished because I find not everyone could work well under pressure. For example the “brightest” girl in my primary school class for all her years at primary passed for one of the new schools, while children that werent as bright but did their work passed for the older secondary school.

    That is another thing, getting to that older school was hard but having to remain in there is another.

    Bajans have this mind set that passing for Harrison’s u are better off than a person going Princes Margaret but these two students can come out with the same grades, and that is something I see alot.


  36. I feel the 11+ should be abolished because I find not everyone could work well under pressure. For example the “brightest” girl in my primary school class for all her years at primary passed for one of the new schools, while children that werent as bright but did their work passed for the older secondary school.

    That is another thing, getting to that older school was hard but having to remain in there is another.

    Bajans have this mind set that passing for a school like Harrison’s u are brighter than a student attending Princes Margaret but these two students can come out with the same grades, and that is something I see alot.


  37. RE: Response to http://www.nationnews.com/story/350885160148589.php

    It now seems to me that being an elected official automatically gives one the right to talk down to the citizenry and belittle our collective intelligence as a people. This is in response to a most asinine and stupid comments made last week by the Minister of Education, Ronald Jones.

    It’s unfortunate that there are still those amongst us who would wish to tear down long standing institutions that have placed this country on the map. The so-called Minister is quoted as saying “Harrison College is 375 years old. Combermere; Lodge; Queen’s College; Alleyne; Foundation; they all have a history of hundreds of years but society cannot tie itself to what began around slavery. It has to change and make provisions for its people.”

    What nonsense are you talking Mr. Minister? Isn’t the parliament that you sit in an institution that began in slavery? What hypocrisy. Rather than tell the citizenry that it is acceptable to aspire to greatness you go off on an anti-establishment tirade. This sounds like sour grapes to me.

    Every Barbadian ought to be proud of Harrison College and its achievements. It’s a cradle of Caribbean leadership and undeniably so! Why would a Minister of Education, of all ministries, seek to pull down such a great institution? This is pure madness. He goes on to state that “Ninety per cent of you did not go to Harrison College or Queen’s College but still you fill your children’s heads with foolishness.”

    If I am part to the 90% you are speaking of then you are seriously out of place Who do you think you are talking to like that Ronald Jones?.

    The fact that 90% of Barbadians wish their children to go to these institutions is because they recognize that these are the best secondary schools in the Caribbean. What the hell is wrong with that? Do you think that people are so stupid that they do not know that everyone cannot enter one of these schools? This does not mean that they cannot have dreams and aspirations. This is part of what makes Barbados a successful nation. So the next time you speak, you should think before you open your trap since you sound more stupid than the very parents you are criticizing.

    And we have a message for you Mr. Minister. Don’t meddle with our education system!

    Ian Walcott


  38. Get over it, Harrison College and Queen’s College are just other secondary schools. They are not anything special. Nothing is done there that is not done at other schools. It expected that they should get the best cxc exam results since the most academically inclined students go there to start with.

    Don’t worry about Ronald Jones. It is the principal and teachers at those schools who from all reports are the ones pulling down the “standards” at those schools.

    I think the government should abolish Harrison college so we would stop making all this fuss every year.


  39. Would you suggest getting rid of Harvard, Standford, Oxford and Cambridge too?
    While you are at it…why not abolish the parliament…I think the Zimbabwe model is a good one to follow…what do you think?
    LOL


  40. Harvard or Cambridge = Harrison College ??!!

    talk about delusions of grandeur LOL. HC is just an ordinary secondary school and by world standards a second or third rate school at best (and falling fast).

    Abolish parliament – not a bad idea. About 6 0r 7 years ago, Trinidad had a hung parliament (even number of seats between the two main parties), there was no parliamentary activity for a year. The country went along fine, in fact people said it was the best period of governance in living memory.


  41. Oh dear Ian you are being so hard on Minister Jones. Cuh dear. In fact many people do not seem to realize that sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and so it is with Harrison College and Queen’s College. Those schools do not only get better results because they get better students to begin with. Better students yes, more committed parents yes, good teachers yes and something else indefinable accounts for the good results.
    And indeed I do not agree with the Minister if he is discouraging parents for wanting excellence for and from their children. I am sure that for example the Minister’s parents were not Cabinet Ministers, yet that did not prevent the Minister from desiring and attaining that high office.

    Truth is that many people and just jealous, plain and simple jealous because neither they nor their children went to HC or QC. And some are jealous because their parents went to HC or QC and neither they nor their children have been able to go there.

    A lot of people would like to abolish those schools.

    A lot of people would like to go back to the old days where students entered HC and QC because of colour, class or income.

    A lot of people with money would like total zoning so that people with money could gentrify the areas around HC and QC and only those who rich enough to live near those schools could go there.

    A lot of people would like to keep the children from Silver Hill, Orange Hill, Josey Hill, and Lonesome Hill out of HC and QC.

    A lot of peope are confused about the difference between meritocracy and elitism.

    A lot of people would like to manipulate the 11+ to keep those children whose daddies do not belong to the right lodges (or any lodge at all) out of HC and QC.

    A lot of people would like to keep those children who don’t know their daddies out of HC and QC.

    A lot of people are vexed because neither their money, nor colour nor social status, nor alumni status, can buy their children a place in HC nor QC.

    A lot of people would like to abolish that d*** 11+ so that we can go back to the good old days where people knew their place and the places at HC and QC were only for “certain” people’s children.

    But it ain’t happening ’bout hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. Devils advocate Avatar
    Devils advocate

    All schools are good schools. I am a chest thumping Combermerian BUT I do not group us with HC or QC when it comes to ‘elitism’. The one thing I noticed after leaving secondary school was that my colleagues at BCC were from all the other schools and some did better at some courses than I did. Ability changes as children age. We, the parents are the ones who put value judgements based on where or children go to school and some of our children absorb this perception of inferiority and end up underacheiving. My mother did not want me to go to combermere, she was a teacher and believed that I should have gone to QC or HC. I would have been completely miserable at either school.

  43. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    J

    You have hit the nail on the head!— and very hard!

    A lot of people would like to abolish HC & QC .

    because

    they would like to go back to the old days when students entered HC and QC because of colour, class or income.

    they would like to keep the children from Silver Hill, Orange Hill, Josey Hill, and Lonesome Hill out of HC and QC.

    they are confused about the difference between meritocracy and elitism.

    they would like to manipulate the 11+ to keep those children whose daddies do not belong to the right lodges (or any lodge at all) out of HC and QC.

    they would like to keep those children who don’t know their daddies out of HC and QC.

    they are vexed because neither their money, nor colour nor social status, nor alumni status, can buy their children a place in HC nor QC.

    they would like to abolish the 11+ so that we can go back to the good old days where people knew their place and the places at HC and QC were only for “certain” people’s children.

    YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
    THAT IS THE TOTALITY OF THE SITUATION

  44. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    No Worry

    Harvard or Cambridge is not = Harrison College but it is an example of the elite. Just as Harvard or Cambridge are elite Universities, Harrison College is an elite grammar school and has been so for a long time.

    HC is NOT just an ordinary secondary school and by world standards it is still up ion the top tier with ETON & HARROW

    To suggest that HC is a second or third rate school at best is a measure of your envy because you failed to get into HC.

    In the medical schools that I have taught abroad, I have longed for some HC caliber students! And if you know me, I mark hard and am a tough judge.

    What delusions of grandeur what? What do you know about delusions of grandeur you betzpaenic imbecile!


  45. … well Devil’s Advocate I real glad you went to Cawmere yuh… ’cause I would hate to see you more miserable than you is now.. LOL

    What ‘all schools are good schools’ what!?!

    Too many schools are NOT good schools.
    A good school is one which caters to the specific needs of its students. One that identifies the talents that arrive at age 11 and which then molds that talent into the best citizen that that child could become.

    HC and QC are good schools because everyone KNOWS that these are given talented academics and they have perfected the development of this type of child.

    Where other schools fall down is in NOT even identifying where their students are talented and definitely not seeking to respond to the students needs for success.
    We all know that they all blindly try to emulate HC and QC – and actually expect to see similar results….

    St Helen’s Secondary would be an excellent school if, having been assigned children from the lowest scoring range of the 11 plus, they then held another series of tests to determine where their students were talented.
    Next, they would configure programs, curricula and interest areas to specially develop these talents… can you imagine the outputs?

    In three years, St Helen’s would be as desirable a school as is HC.

    …….as you know, Cawmere is in a different class altogether.
    There, it was always a case of ‘lives being in the making; and hearts in the waking…’ …we din care a pang about scholarships… just to be the best Bajans that we could be….

    …no wonder you got the pick as the Devil’s Advocate…I bet you was one of that notorious 4c group…


  46. Georgie Porgie & J…you guys are bang on…I cannot for the life of me understand why a Minister would come out and talk such nonsense…
    Whether or not you are a Harrisonian…every Barbadian should be proud of this institution…
    I’m trying to locate Sir Courtney Blackman’s recent speech on the achievements of this great institution.
    HC is a feeder institution for the top universities in the world…
    By the way…can someone say which secondary school that dumb ass for a Minister attended?
    IPSO FACTO…I thought so…SOUR @_&(%#*^@GRAPES…
    He tink bajans stupid or wha? It’s hypocrites like them that want the best for their children…and then go around stuffing people’s heads with nonsense using the emotive argument of slavery…yet he fights to be in Parliament…to call him a total jack ass would be a compliment…
    Do I seem vex?
    It’s because I am…dammit…

  47. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    We should respect all of our academic institutions.

    I dont know how things are now, but when I went to school, all of our secondary schools were blessed with teachers who generally after leaving school taught at thier secondary schoool until they retired (except for those who took a few years to get thier degrees overseas.)

    The three Jones’ at the Foundation schools are an example. Such contunity of tenure ensured that traditions prevailed.

    It is the ministry of Education that screws up things.

    They screwed up St Leonards in the nineties by sending that idiot Jackson dow there. He was ineffective to lead the quality of staff he had. Every evening students from every school assembled at St Leonards for lessons from teacher’s of what was supposed to be the worse school.

    Year after year this so called school was getting the highest percentage pass rate in Spanish.

    The Community College is an other instutution we ought to be proud of. This institution could be even better if part time teachers were paid properly so that the wealth of professional experience that lies dormant in many retired persons could be passed on. The current pay scheme at present makes it unattractive.


  48. “HC is a feeder institution for the top universities in the world” – Just how many Harrisonians have been attending these “top” universities in the last 20 years? 10 – 20 – 50?

    Give me a break. HC is an ordinary school and that is the problem. We take so called bright children and put them through the same thing every other school is doing. I can say with absolute certainty that while HC and QC are adequate schools (they may even be the best that Barbados has to offer), they are NOT in the category of “elite”.

    HC is living on past glories. Oh Georgie your emotionalism has caused you to forgo the very basis of the scientific method and proceed without collecting the evidence. BTW while Eton and Harrow are prestigious on account of their history, financial endowment and the class background of their students,but these are not the academic powerhouses (i.e. top of the league tables in the UK).

    For what is an elite school check the following;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuyvesant_High_School

    As for Cawmere, what is so great about a school that also receives good students and then 3 years later nearly a quarter of them are repeating?


  49. Georgie Porgie wrote “I dont know how things are now…” and I believe him!


  50. Ian man you putting too many lashes in the poor Honourable Minister.

    One man shouldn’t have to take so many licks!!!!

    And by the way I went to neither HC nor QC.

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