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Douglas Trotman Died Owed Millions by Government

The blogmaster extends sympathy to the family of Douglas “Slanty” Trotman who died today. You know the poor and unconnected black man has to work 3 times as hard as the white man in the white man’s land but 6 times as hard as the white man in his own land. From March 3rd.. persistent…

The blogmaster extends sympathy to the family of Douglas “Slanty” Trotman who died today.

You know the poor and unconnected black man has to work 3 times as hard as the white man in the white man’s land but 6 times as hard as the white man in his own land. From March 3rd.. persistent delay in giving a date.Nov 18th .. will see the outcome”

(Douglas Trotman November 2021)

It is unfortunate Trotman died before securing legal fees earned from the compulsory Acquisition of property known as Sam Lords Castle. The blogmaster understands the transaction was frustrated by the Mottley government.

The documents filed with the Barbados detail the sorry tale.

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238 responses to “Douglas Trotman Died Owed Millions by Government”

  1. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, this info on Sam Lords Castle and Mr Trotman is really quite intriguing… and then to see a blogger who has actually completed years of difficult and very contentious litigation here in Bim ‘interrogate’ the lawyer’s bona fides as he does is quite ‘revelatory’!

    First up, lost in this ‘mundane’ debate of payment of fees are the atrocious ORIGINAL claims of alleged fraud, conflict of interest and possible criminality on 1)Why the NIS (govt) really brought the action against Grant Holdings which initiated the bankruptcy proceedings and essentially forced a sale; 2) the ‘pirate’ style ‘stealing treasure’ compadres consortium of a former PM, high court Judge, QC lawyer who represented the NIS and one other who were ALL partners of that holding company which owned the Harford Chambers property; and of course CLICO… which then purports involvement of ANOTHER PM or three and even more backroom nefariousness.

    So when the blogger who KNOWS well the arcane world of the legal mazes faced can so glibly opine that “[t]he end result of the mess is that the GOB owns Sam Lord’s Hotel without paying for it, typical outcome in a fascist regime where the means of production wind up under the control of a central Government” I can only laugh deeply and wonder what strange disinformation strategy is he pulling this time.

    So Mr. Blogmaster, THIS tale (as Trotman has noted previously) is really a thread that ravels (or could unravel) a quite horrendous ball of incestuous relationships that border on gross criminality. It is not a chapter but like that written by ‘Lumpy’ the once famed senior partner of cricket admin renown, could be an entire book of WTF!

    The bloggers who like to play around the edges are smart and obviously know a cesspool when it smells as badly as this does… so they play around the edges only.

    I gone.

    Peace. (And again wha become of Piece…?)

  2. David Avatar
    David

    Per usual some of us squeeze issues inyo narroe agendas. There has always been a culture of government delaying payments especially those cooked in the politics of the day. This transaction is no different to Miss Ram if the blogmaster wishes to be provocative. It is all about fair settlement.

  3. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Northern, your old school ‘buddy’ is playing his ‘games’.

    There is a case that can be made that his intent is to sow discord and temper these debates with sensitive tropes to simply generate ‘tangents’ to hot air (or hot water, really)!

    Afterall, he is a scholarly mathematician cum scientist and can play game theory scenarios way above (my) most of our dicernment!

    Ah well.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    Yes Dee Word that is the plan, a pity some of are lured by it. Any reason to degrade the discussion.

  5. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    Sometimes we inadvertently blame slaves for being enslaved; we blame the wrong for being wronged.
    We sometimes act very strange: we give the slave masters our highest honor and call it Freedom.
    Nobody is perfect but……..,….,,
    Peace

  6. GP Avatar
    GP

    RE Afterall, he is a scholarly mathematician cum scientist and can play game theory scenarios way above (my) dicernment!
    THAT IS REALLY NOT TOO HARD IS IT? YOUR LACK OF DISCERNMENT HAS BEEN EVIDENT TO ME FROM YOUR VERY FIRST POST HERE.

    RE his intent is to sow discord and temper these debates with sensitive tropes to simply generate ‘tangents’ to hot air
    AGAIN THAT IS REALLY NOT TOO HARD IS IT?
    HOW DOES ONE generate ‘tangents’ to hot air WHEN HOT AIR IS USUALLY ALREADY PRESENT?
    IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT YOU SEEK TO DERIDE BY YOUR MORONIC MOUTHINGS, NOT LIKE YOU JUST SEEKING TO JOIN IN THE DISCUSSION, NOT EVER KNOWING HOW EXPRESSING HIS VIEW MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

  7. John Avatar
    John

    de pedantic DribblerDecember 8, 2021 10:16 AM

    @David, this info on Sam Lords Castle and Mr Trotman is really quite intriguing… and then to see a blogger who has actually completed years of difficult and very contentious litigation here in Bim ‘interrogate’ the lawyer’s bona fides as he does is quite ‘revelatory’!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe CLICO and the GOB are involved in the KEL matter as well!!

  8. John Avatar
    John

    … maybe also working together for some obscene purpose!!!.

  9. John Avatar
    John

    … and don’t worry, there are indeed some folk who are not of the same skin colour as Mr. Trotman involved as well, just that your discernment is lacking as you have suddenly realised.

  10. GP Avatar
    GP

    THE SAME ONE WITH THE DEFICIENT DISCERNMENT USED TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT FROM 2OI5-2O20 HERE ON BU DERIDING DONALD TRUMP AND THEN HIS ADMINISTRATION. I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING AND MOST NOTEWORTHY THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENLIGHTENED BY THE RESULTS OF HIS DISCERNMENT WITH BRANDON’S MOST STELLAR PERFORMANCES IN 202I.

  11. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    This information curculating may answer some questions for John and Northern who is apparently on the right track re payment in bonds.

    [“: I read the short bill and my comments are as follows. First, the use of bonds to settle financial obligations of the government has been a deliberate policy of the Mottley administration. After the legislated debt restructuring/exchange programme of the government in late 2018 Barbadians need to be very wary of accepting bonds from the Mottley administrstion. Second, this bill legalises the Mottley administration’s deliberate policy of not paying government debts when the obligations fall due, that is at the definite date or worst yet during the current time period. It is a very dangerous policy since some individuals (in the case of gratuities, income tax payments, compensation for unfair dismissal, injury claims) and businesses (in the case of VAT refunds, payment for goods and services) cannot afford for their payments to be deferred via the use of bonds by the government. Third, i note with serious concern that the proposed Series J bond has an interest rate of zero. This is a joke. Any individual or company accepting a bond with this feature will have to be mad, a beggar, a staunch supporter or yardfowl of the government, or have an incestuous relationship with the government which allows for the interest payment not included in the bond to be obtained otherwise. Fourth, it is interesting that the government is covering itself through the inclusion of the Natural Disaster clause. This has to be considered carefully since the triggering of this clause delays payment by the government further into the future. The mechanics of the Natural Disaster clause admit for payment of interest on deferred payments. Yet interest on the series J bond is zero. Thus, the mention of and determination of the interest rate in the Natural Disaster clause need to be explained. Finally, was this legislation discussed with any party, for example the NUPW or Social Partnership before being taken to Parliament. I suspect not.
    [12/8, 9:49 AM] Alex M2: Yet again this government is less than transparent with us. A few weeks ago government said that it was addressing the issue of outstanding payments for lands acquired via the issuance of bonds. On the face of it, very laudable measure. Imagine my surprise therefore on a quick reading of the ” Debt Settlement Arrears bill” to find that this bill can be applied to any debt owed by government including personal injuries. Indeed my friends if you are waiting for your gratuity or thinking of early retirement and have plans for your monies HOLD. Its quite possible that if this bill becomes law you will be given bonds.

    I known that I missed the bill in the lower house. Did we all miss this bill. Did Toni Moore not see it? Did our trade unionist and social activists not see this?

    Barbadians continue to be distracted by international beauty parades by the Prime Minister whilst Rome is burning.”

  12. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    John….how does 239 million dollars in bonds sound…..if the government had to pay anything to that estate.

  13. John Avatar
    John

    WURA-War-on-UDecember 8, 2021 3:25 PM

    John….how does 239 million dollars in bonds sound…..if the government had to pay anything to that estate.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    First I am hearing of this!!

    Doesn’t the GOB get paid in US$$ for anything?

  14. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    No one can pay debts in bonds, goes without saying…and there is not a lawyer alive who will take fees in bonds..

    talk about being BONDED..

  15. David Avatar
    David

    How many times must NO et al explain the government has to manage cash flow in the same way it has to be done at the household level? This is during a time revenue is declining.

  16. John Avatar
    John

    More than one way to skin a cat.

  17. David Avatar
    David

    Meaning what in this case? You have money to settle payables or you do not.

    Why is government printing money again?

  18. GP Avatar
    GP

    SHOULD BE
    THESE BONDS ARE NOT BINDING….THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE BOUNDING ….i.e constipating

    Q. Why is government printing money again?
    A CAUSE THEY CAN. PAPER IS STILL RELATIVELY CHEAP AND AVAILABLE

  19. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @WW&C
    I drinking a rum and feeling sweet. The guvment brek.
    So you owe a debt for umpteen years, but you en got nah cash. So you issue WARU Bonds to mature in 5 years and send them as payment. The debt has been paid? But the folks ain’t got a cent yet, just nuff fancy looking paper. In fact, you got 5 years to find the money.
    And if you cannot? Then roll this bond into another? Perpetual financing. For this you need a slew of experts. But doan mind me, I needs another rum.

  20. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    This payment in bonds is nothing more than an IOU.

    This is a very big deal and should not be allowed to be passed off as anything less.

    You cannot expect to do these things without a serious and frank conversation with the nation.

    Some people cannot afford to accept bonds. Some people cannot survive without their money.

    No government should attempt to slip this under the radar.

  21. David Avatar
    David

    How is it different to the elders who have to wait 15 years to cash their bonds?

  22. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Not different at all!

  23. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    @Donna,
    “This is a very big deal and should not be allowed to be passed off as anything less.

    You cannot expect to do these things without a serious and frank conversation with the nation.”

    Not your standard reply…

  24. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    But honest.

  25. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    “How is it different to the elders who have to wait 15 years to cash their bonds?”

    David u are being sarcastic I must presume.

    I have not followed this bond saga closely and thus refrained from comment on any details thereof as I did NOT know the facts.

    That Saud, however, simply at the level of basic ‘natural justice’ what u are suggesting is simply NOT acceptable nor could it be the same of elders awaiting a return of an INVESTMENT they made ‘eyes wide open’.

    As u know a bond is an investment or should I say a instrument used to finance ‘operations’. Govt bonds in particular are generally excellent instuments principally defray taxes, hedge inflation/economic risk. In sum they are bought by players to satisfy their financing objectives.

    As I read this unsavory tale it seems that a debtor’s is being ‘forced’ to accept govt paper in lieu of cash … govt paper from the SAME GOVT which just recently defaulted and gave other bond holders a major haircut on their payment expectations.

    Why on earth therefore would anyone want to readily accept this paper from this govt, NOW.

    Again I repeat that I have NOT studied this matter in detail but despite that the prima facie arguments above are just pure financial MADNESS!!

    I gotta be missing something.

    Ah well, my discernment has already been shown to be mightily deficient so you guys are way ahead on this too.

    I gone, hear.

  26. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Re “THE SAME ONE WITH THE DEFICIENT DISCERNMENT USED TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT FROM 2OI5-2O20 HERE ON BU DERIDING DONALD TRUMP AND THEN HIS ADMINISTRATION. I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING AND MOST NOTEWORTHY THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENLIGHTENED BY THE RESULTS OF HIS DISCERNMENT WITH BRANDON’S MOST STELLAR PERFORMANCES IN 202I.”

    Due to David’s stellar operational change there will be only several hours of more palaver on this … so no longterm side show with this response to the above. (Phew!)🙈😇🤣

    So let me say that if your right wing media starts running a legitimate ‘lie-o-meter’ and show Biden in blatant lies as WE all caught Mr Pathological, then I would post on this president as I did the other one.

    (10 months into his presidency, #45 had compiled about 6,000 fabrications)

    If China had been shown to help Biden win, or Biden had INVITED China to get involved in the presidential contest to help him, then had glad handed Xi at the recent UK conference and boasted that he believed the Chinese intel services propaganda (as told to him by Xi) … then definitely I would be here lambasting Biden.

    And the list goes on.

    So be my guest and continue with the petty insults to this president … your man is large and formidable so ‘your’ party will be better with him surely…. as you folks love that lying, egomaniac. Who am I to question that.

    Enjoy.

  27. GP Avatar
    GP

    IT IS WRITTEN IN Numbers 32:23 THUS
    . But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the Lord: and be sure your sin will find you out.
    BE SURE YOUR SIN WILL FIND YOU OUT

  28. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    The IMF and the consultants are coming up with all kinds of sophisticated methods to justify flawed economic policy.
    Now we are hearing the Governor of the Central bank saying that the economy will grow by nine per cent! In the meantime , Dr. Mascoll says that we are back to 1997.
    The government wants to pay its bills by giving citizens bonds. I read in the papers where a poor black man cannot get paid for land compulsorily acquired over thirty years ago. The land at that time was valued at $155 000. It is now valued in the millions.
    So, they would probably pay him in bonds.
    It’s robbery anyhow we look at it. Citizens being robbed in broad daylight by the Duopoly.
    And the apologists will find a way to justify it like they are justifying every thing daily on BU and elsewhere.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    @William

    This government is broke. It is as simple as that.

  30. David Avatar
    David

    How many more deserving of an apology?

    Govt needs to address land issue

    FOR MOST BARBADIANS that tomorrow is the 73rd anniversary of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights means absolutely nothing.
    The upholding of human rights is unfortunately only a lofty ideal rather than an everyday mainstay. The persistent violations and breaches that occur in every region of the world speak of systemic injustice.
    Last week the WEEKEND NATION highlighted a case of gross infringement of human rights in this country by the state against one of its ordinary citizens.
    The compulsory acquisition of ten acres of land over three decades ago and no compensation to this day rightly was front-page news.
    The victim, Charles Ellis despite seeking legal counsel to have the wrong done to him rectified must wonder why as a law-abiding citizen he has been so grossly ill-treated and left to suffer.
    It also shows both a lack of care and consideration for an individual’s personal property. The treatment meted out to Ellis is wrong and he deserves a public apology plus his compensation.
    From the newspaper’s account Ellis is a man who worked hard and by the sweat of his brow made sacrifices to buy the land and start his agricultural business only to end up a victim of state bullying and wrongdoing.
    This situation has highlighted a very serious problem that is public knowledge of Governments in this country over the years taking up people’s property and being extremely tardy in awarding compensation. For the incumbent Mia Amor Mottley administration it needs to address this very public issue. It must tell the public exactly how many people are owed for their property and in cases where they are being paid by bonds if these instruments will carry a fair interest rate so that they are not further disadvantaged.
    The Compulsory Land Acquisition
    legislation, and the much-touted Tenantries Freehold Purchase Act,
    are two pieces of legislation that the Law Reform Commission should urgently consider.
    While they were enacted to bring benefits to the wider community there needs to be careful evaluation as to whether these two bits of laws are not abrogating individuals’ rights.
    This is a cause that needs vocal public support which is why the silence of the political and social activists is most unfortunate as Ellis and perhaps others in a similar situation sit and suffer.
    This is why we hope the Member of Parliament for St Andrew, George Payne, a former Minister of Housing and an experienced attorney at law gives the legislature and the public his knowledge about the practical application of these laws and any weaknesses.
    Attorney General Dale Marshall also needs to address the matter since it is important for the country’s reputation.
    We cannot boast of being guided by the rule of law and fair play but plagued by such human rights violations.
    The treatment meted out to
    Charles Ellis is wrong and he deserves a public apology plus his compensation.

    Source: Nation

  31. David Avatar
    David

    Greenidge: Pay in cash, not bonds

    BARBADIANS WHO HAD their lands acquired by the Government and have not been paid after a protracted waiting period should be paid in cash and not bonds, the Deputy President of the Senate advised yesterday.
    Former Government minister Rudolph “Cappy” Greenidge said too many Barbadians had been left without being compensated by different administrations over the past few decades and should not be subjected to such long waiting periods before getting what is legally due to them.
    He was speaking in the Upper House yesterday after Leader of Government Business in the Senate, The Most Honourable Jerome Walcott, had tabled the first reading of a resolution aimed at acquiring two parcels of land in Sergeant’s Village, Christ Church, for the Government to build two housing developments.
    Greenidge referred to a story in the last edition of the WEEKEND NATION,
    which reported that pensioner Charles Ellis had his land compulsorily acquired back in 1995, but had yet to receive compensation from the Government. He is due $155 000 for the acquisition, plus interest.
    “I hope people would be paid in a more timely manner,” Greenidge said while confirming he supported any acquisition of land that would see more Barbadians getting housing opportunities.
    But he added that individuals whose lands were acquired
    should not be made to suffer.
    “That is totally unacceptable,” he said about the years many people have been forced to wait for payment after their lands were acquired.
    “And I believe those people should be paid in cash. They should be paid if their land has been acquired. They shouldn’t be paid with bonds,” the former Minister of Sports suggested. (BA)

    Source; Nation

  32. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    DPD,

    Ssssssh! Ain’t nobody bothering to respond to the Brandon shit.

    Not seriously anyway.

  33. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    Before I go, let me add (tongue in cheek).

    Where these naysayers come from. I am quite certain that separating people from their properties happens elsewhere. It looks as if The Nation has hired disgruntled BU’s contributors from the Diaspora.

    Good morning to all. Have a great day.

    ——xx—–
    If the internet in Barbados is as horrible as where I am, then PLT’s pet project will soon die. Offline, online …

    Sometimes I think that we overlap an alternate universe. Very much like ours, but where basic things fall apart.

  34. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @WURA-War-on-U December 6, 2021 3:24 AM

    Isn’t Winston Clarke the person with more than a dozen criminal convictions, including one for a capital offence?

  35. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Not my standard response because that is how I see it. This is not something that has been blown out of proportion.

    Persons have been deprived of their property. One can do everything right financially, work hard, invest smartly and have the rug pulled out from under one’s feet.

    How can this be acceptable?

    This is not a recently acquired habit and spans administrations.

    It is unconscionable.

    I don’t know why people have sat silent and still for this for so long. It allows the government to forget about it.

    “The squeaky wheel gets the grease.”

    There was absolutely NO GOOD REASON why these people were not paid before.

    Now we brek and issuing IOUs!

    THEY FIND MONEY TO PAY CONSULTANTS. THEY FIND MONEY TO PROP UP CERTAIN BUSINESSMEN. THEY FIND MONEY TO PAY LAWYERS.

    They should pay the longest outstanding bill and move through the list systematically.

    AND THEY SHOULD ACQUIRE NO MORE PROPERTY UNTIL THIS IS DONE.

  36. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @Pachamama December 6, 2021 5:34 AM “David. We suspect that 57 year old man to be Douglas.”

    Not so according to local social media, which has said the the 50 something male was a port worker, not a lawyer.

  37. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Cuddear…been hearing things here and there, but don’t pay attention…i would be more concerned with the criminal fake elites, criminal minorities and all their criminal friends robbing the country, the people of their land and money, and every generation of children of their future, haven’t heard that he did any of that….he don’t have that type of power..

  38. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @David December 6, 2021 5:38 AM “There is a report in today’s press that many people are presenting too late, to be expected that the unvaccinated have a point to prove. TWENTY-EIGHT PEOPLE with COVID-19 have died in the Queen Elizabeth > Hospital’s (QEH) Accident & Emergency (A& E) Department in the past three > months.”

    David: This is the thing which I find most difficult to understand.
    Are these people who don’t believe Covid-19 is real?
    Are these people who don’t believe in the Covis-19 vaccination?
    Are these people who don’t believe in doctors, nurses, lab technicians?
    If so why do they present to the QEH at all?
    Do they believe that doctors can raise the dead?

  39. David Avatar
    David

    @Simple Simon

    You are incorrect.

  40. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Those who were silent on the land issue for decades now see themselves as BEING NEXT…there is only so much land they can pick up/TIEF for decades, since the mid-60s that can be remembered, on a 2×3 island BEFORE they reach those who thought it could not happen to them…so now we will see a REAL PUSH BACK from the population..because everything has just gotten TOO real for those with much to lose in these very difficult times, before, and for years, it was just bloggers exposing but now it’s HELL NO THAT AIN’T HAPPENING TO ME….without a fight back.

  41. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    David,

    Do you know for what purpose Mr. Ellis’ land was acquired?

    I don’t just want a list with dates acquired and amount due. I want to know the circumstances of the acquisition and who actually received some benefit besides the general public.

  42. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    @Donna,
    It is quite possible that things are seen in a similar light.

    However, adding a ‘proportion’ scale to what a comment should be, often gave rise to a completely different response to the same event.

    Oh, no! I see some capitalization in your text …

  43. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    And no, the internet is not that bad in Barbados.

  44. David Avatar
    David

    @Donna

    His story was featured in the Nation of 3rd December. His land was acquired by government to build the Courtney Browne pavilion.

  45. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    “My experience at Grantley Adams International Airport on Saturday 23, 2021 by Douglas Trotman “Landed in Barbados around 9:30 am from St.Kitts and Nevis…Today Sunday 24th I will address the issue of discrimination against the unvaccinated travellers as reflected in the new travel protocol. I am unvaccinated.”

    According to Barbados Today Douglas Trotman died on December 5, 2021.

  46. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    John…just got hold of the full 7 page scoop. This cannot be allowed to continue or restart.

    “Barbados is a small island nation that has a population of less than 300,000 but has the 15th
    highest population density in the world. With such a small island and high population density,
    land is particularly valuable. The subject of the Miami trial, Kingsland Estates, is comprised
    of over 1,000 acres of prime Barbados lands, including ultra-valuable beachfront properties.”

  47. David Avatar
    David

    @Simple Simon

    Trotman died as a result of covid complications. The end.

  48. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @WURA-War-on-U December 8, 2021 9:04 AM “…they are orphans…”

    Adults cannot properly be described as orphans, otherwise 70 year old me can call myself an orphan. I am NOT an orphan.

  49. Cuhdear Bajan Avatar
    Cuhdear Bajan

    @David December 9, 2021 6:25 AM

    Sorry to hear of his passing. Condolences to his family.

  50. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Cuddear…Douglas’ oldest child is around 21 years old, the last is around 8 years old, these are children.

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