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It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored … ye are a factious crew, and enemies to good government. … Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. … I commend ye, therefore, … to depart immediately out of this place; get you out! Make haste. Go! … In the name of God, Go!

-Oliver Cromwell’s stinging dismissal of the members of the Rump Parliament

As a nation, we must face facts. The failure of the Integrity in Public Life Bill (2020) was not an isolated incident. Rather, it is the latest, and thus far, most heinous, episode in a two-year saga, designed by renegade ‘opposition’ forces to systematically destroy our democracy and destabilize our country.

Integrity in public life is not a fanciful expression. It is about giving shape to the hopes and aspirations of successive generations of Barbadians, who want honesty and financial probity to be the hallmark of their country’s governance; about restoring faith in apathetic young and middle-aged people who see the ‘system’ as being broken; and about securing the social and political bonds which bind together our nation, without which social cohesion collapses and soon the state. 

In examining the threat posed by the renegades, it is useful to understand their tactics, deceit being the most favoured.

How could persons demand the inclusion of judicial officers in the Bill when all know that they are a peculiar species of public officer, always treated to separately?

How can the inclusion of civil servants be inappropriate? Are politicians the only persons with the facility for corruption or can corruption take place in both high and low places, from S1 to Z23? Why would a nation, ostensibly serious about corruption, wish only to ensure that some are not corrupt while others may do as they like?

Is it enough to take issue with the Bill for being too “intrusive” without understanding that by necessity, it must be so to close a well-known loophole, where relatives are used to hide ill-gotten gains. That is the price we have to pay for truly comprehensive and effective legislation.

Some assert that the Bill has not received sufficient ‘consultation’. How is that possible when nearly all are aware of its existence and when the previous version languished for a time on the Order Paper there was much ado about that delay? Now, two years on, some would like to delay the process even further!

Their last resort is the most tragic, for it is the hallmark of illiberal populists across the world: engendering a loss of trust for institutions. Indeed, since the unfortunate incident, epitomizing integrity, Senator Lisa Cummins apologized, with elegance and grace, not because she was a definite health risk, but because it could have been more appropriate for her to stay away. 

Clearly, if some Senators feared for their safety, for whatever reason, they have a right to express that. However, what is grievous is the vituperative attacks on this country’s most senior medical doctor, under the cover of parliamentary privilege. At a time when this nation faces a pandemic, why would ‘public figures’ seek to maliciously discredit health professionals, whom the public must trust and listen to so that we can continue to wrestle with COVID? At a time when we face massive economic fallout, requiring a Herculean united effort to rebuild, who benefits from the sowing of needless division? 

In the United States, when public figures discredit health professionals and spread falsehoods, many in the populace refuse to wear masks or follow other guidelines because of the irresponsible rhetoric of those in leadership. By seeking to destroy faith in institutions during a pandemic, these renegades sought to score cheap, political points at the expense of the health and welfare of citizens.

The actions in the Senate can have real consequences because it did not take place in a vacuum. The country was watching; young people were watching. How many will follow the dastardly example set, like has happened in the States?

Where is the integrity in these persons who wish to pass judgement on the integrity legislation? 

Thankfully, government proceeded with a vote on the Bill so that the people of this country could finally recognize the existential threat posed by these renegades. We must protect our democracy which is under threat, not from genuine or useful opposition, but from individuals who are solely interested in destabilization. 

All Barbadians must stand up and say to them: please, in the name of God, go!


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99 responses to “In the Name of God, Go!”

  1. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ KK
    This is one of your worse pieces to date. Why have you chosen this topic which has been discussed ad nauseam. You are going to get the same arguments that were already put forward in a similar blog on BU.The fact that it was not passed is a testament to the fact that our democratic system of Governance is working. Our checks and balances kicked in. The Senate is the penultimate check point that allows us to take a second look at what we are doing. The final check point, as you know, will be the GG.
    All the events point towards that gnawing feeling that this bill is not the most effective way of uprooting the perceived high level of corruption in the Public Service. Nor that perpetrators would reap their due reward if it is enforced. So there is a lack of trust. That is where we must start. Why do the citizens not trust the system? What do we need to do and put in place to restore the trust in the Justice system beside passing unenforced and unenforceable legislation?


  2. Rather, it is the latest, and thus far, most heinous, episode in a two-year saga, designed by renegade ‘opposition’ forces to systematically destroy our democracy and destabilize our country.
    ++++++++++++++
    Cue the melodrama, Edward Bulwer- Lytton is alive

    Meanwhile VC hangs up his cheerleading outfit and retires his pom- poms.


  3. Khaleel is permitted to quibble about this that and the other why the Bill was not passed in the Senate (although it was have died anyway with prorogation), however, the real issue is that the leader of government business failed to gather consensus for the Bill. Wednesday highlights this failure.

  4. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    Mr Kothdiwala
    You are right to show those who thought that you were too young to be flogged on BU that you are just as combative as the “elders”.
    I warned them about Napoleon and the pups on Animal Farm.
    Show them what emerges from the puppy kennels in Roebuck and George Streets…….
    Let them renegades know wuh coming Fuh dem !

  5. Piece the Prophet Avatar
    Piece the Prophet

    De ole man notices that Koochie Koo is still being relied on by the other jackases to hoist the flags of defeat.

    Among the accustomed effluent he released the manchile said

    “…Indeed, since the unfortunate incident, epitomizing integrity, Senator Lisa Cummins apologized, with elegance and grace, not because she was a definite health risk, but because it could have been more appropriate for her to stay away…”

    Not because she was a health risk?

    Is not de Ghanian nurses testing Covid positive several days after testing negative AND AT VARIANCE TO ALL THE NORMS STATED BY THE “ACTING” CMO?

    Emphasis on acting!

    So why is the manchile allowed to make these untrue statements?

    Oh Piece the Prophet has discerned the truth of the matter

    Blog counts, this platform is to serve as De Manchile’s spring board so.

    Nothing new here so de ole man will move onto other matters


  6. Dr. Doolittle


  7. @Whoever “How could persons demand the inclusion of judicial officers in the Bill when all know that they are a peculiar species of public officer, always treated to separately?”

    Don’t bring no foolish argument about “peculiar species of public officer, always treated to separately?”

    When slavery needed to be abolished self serving people brought the “this is a peculiar institution” foolish argument.

    When universities refused to admit women there were foolish arguments about women being peculiarly unsuited for higher education

    When Ignaz Semmelweis proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital’s First Obstetrical Clinic, where DOCTOR’S WARDS HAD THREE TIMES THE MORTALITY of midwives’ wards.there were foolish arguments about doctor’s being gentlemen, and everybody knows that gentlemen do not have nasty hands so why should they need to wash etc.

    They were ALL wrong.

    Judges are special, but they int that special. They are human, and between one human being and the other there is very little difference. We are ALL subject to temptation.Judges should be included in the legislation

  8. William Skinner Avatar

    @ Cuhdear Bajan
    We are missing the point. We have all heard about how young children are taken away from their parents and indoctrinated. Don’t forget that we were also indoctrinated to believe that doctors, lawyers and judges were above us all. We now realise that they all have human frailties and bouts of temptation. Quite frankly judges are some of the most corrupt to be found anywhere.
    Political parties try to counter this truth by propaganda and indoctrination. It’s all to serve their narrow interest at any given time.
    Napoleon and the pups.
    Now we are hearing about a women’s grassroots organization to deal with parenting. Note it’s about parenting but it’s going be with women only.
    “Things get curiouser and curiouser.”
    Alice in Wonderland.


  9. It’s IRRELEVANT that the bill did not PASS. Barbados has always shown it’s a country of RULES & REGULATIONS without ENFORCEMENT. Bill was ONLY latest WALK THE TAKE government PHOTO OP & FLUFF endeavour.


  10. @Wily

    Some see the glass as half full, others always see it as half empty. Barbados has achieved nothing. Barbados is a shitehole country.

    #steuspe


  11. Kodiwala “renegades” dun a numbuh pun wunna. Dem musse so proud to see wunna come wid de same ole recycled nonsense. I heard him pun Brasstacks yesterday. As usual he mek a brilliant point. Wunna so like to talk bout youth engagement but when dey do dey indoctrinated by political parties. Why he cahn just be a sensible person who see reality and wunna indoctrinated in hatred. Look Kotdiwala need to include wunna in he article. Wunna “odious” too. A gud ting bajans see tru wunna slaves uh hatred and wunna renegade masters. In de name uh God, get tuh rh out. Carry on smartly Kotdiwala.


  12. Cuhdear BajanAugust 10, 2020 1:11 AM

    Judges are special, but they int that special.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve walked the walk and have first hand experience.

    You are right!!

    I see the Chief Judge is resigning!!!!!!!!!@!!!!!!!!!


  13. Silversleeves, I do not hate anybody.

    But truly I AM NOT LOYAL TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY, but if Mia or Verla, of Joseph or Grenville or Mark, or Khaleel needed a blood donation today any of them can have it from me. They are all the same to me, the children of our one creator God.

    i work hard, raise my children well, looked after my elders in their declining years, do volunteer work pay my taxes, go to church sometimes, although not since February. I have promised myself that I will voluntarily return on January 1, 2023, unless the kids carry me in a box before then. Lolll!!!

    And sweep the road in front of my home. Lolll!!!

    Yup, judges should be included. Judges are special, but not that special.


  14. @David

    “Some see the glass as half full”

    Yes others that are NOT steuspe are more REALISTIC and do not believe in the TOOTH FAIRY & SANTA CLAUSE. Was it just coincidence that members of the upper house were conveniently not able to vote or was it PLANNED that way, once again Wily’s leaning to the glass half empty philosphy. It’s only been 65+ years in the planning this INTEGRITY BILL, still have all of 21st century left to get it to a vote, hmmmm.


  15. @Wily

    It was a beautiful day in Barbados today.


  16. @ K2 PERSONALLY

    After Tron has already railed against the hypocritical opposition in the Senate, I am very pleased that neutral youth like K2 are joining my campaign.

    K2 is right on all counts. I would like to add that, with the outrageous behaviour of some Barbadian senators, Barbados is now a third-class banana republic. The government is completely blameless for this development – of course. I pray for our great leader Mia Mottley and her faithful Attorney General that justice will prevail in the end.

    Many people hold against K2 and me, that in Barbados there are many laws on paper, but nobody enforces them. That is my response: Doesn’t the population also obey the Corona rules in an excellent fashion (unlike many white tourists from the USA and UK)? So Barbadians are very well able to behave according to the rules. I am sure that the new integrity bill will soon be applied.

    But I want to go one step further than K2: Let’s protest in front of the Senate day and night. If the police has to take the rebellious senators into protective custody because they are afraid of the just wrath of the people, we have achieved our goal.


  17. Senator Caswell was criticized by a few today for referring to Khaleel as a boy on the Sunday talk show.


  18. @ Piece the Prophet August 9, 2020 10:54 PM

    Oh you Great Prophet!

    You should read the latest scientific papers. Wearing proper masks reduces the risk of infection to almost zero.

    The way the outspoken senator treated Commings, his peers treat HIV infected people and same-sex couples.

    How would the outspoken senator react if the USA, UK and EU would refuse him entry in the future, because the risk of crime, the risk of HIV and other diseases is much higher among his peers than among people in the North? The senator would be the first to shout out “racism” here.

    You cannot remain credible if you apply double standards.


  19. Senator Caswell was criticized by a few today for referring to Khaleel as a boy on the Sunday talk show.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    @ Caswell WAS 100% CORRECT WHEN HE CALLED KK A BOY AND WHO HAS I WILL ADD DRUNK THE BLP JIM JONES KOOLAID.

    ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD A 16 or 17 YEAR OLD MALE IS A BOY.

    ONLY IN 2×3 BARBADOS WHERE HE IS BEING USED LIKE A BLIND TOOL WOULD OTHERS RUSH TO DEFEND WHAT IS NONSENSE BUT DEFLECT FROM THE TRUTH.

    A CESSPOOL OF BACKWARD THINKING INDIVIDUALS WHO DON’T LIKE TO DEAL WITH REALITY.

    NO WONDER THE ISLAND HAS FALLEN SO LOW TO BE IN THE HANDS OF THE WHITE MAN IMF CLAWS


  20. ANOTHER BLP KOOLAID DRINKER SEEMED TO HAVE FOUND THEMSELF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAW:

    In court over Facebook posts

    Well known social commentator Patrick King appeared in the District “A” Magistrates’ Court yesterday accused of sending annoying Facebook messages to Starcom Network’s Station Manager David Ellis and another man.

    King, 52, a marketing representative, of Campaign Land, Martindales Road, St Michael, denied that between July 17 and 18, 2019, he used a computer to send an electronic communication that was menacing in character, and that he intended to cause or was reckless as to whether he caused annoyance, inconvenience, distress or anxiety to Ellis.

    He was also charged, in Holetown’s jurisdiction, that he used a computer to send electronic communications, on July 10, 11 and 12 this year, that were menacing in nature, and that he intended to cause or was reckless as to whether he caused annoyance, inconvenience, distress or anxiety to any of the people to whom he intended.

    Those alleged messages were promised exposés posted on his Facebook relating to John Fleming

    https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/247175/court-facebook-posts


  21. @ Baje

    You are right. Treating a boy not yet old enough to take his A levels or even to vote as a fount of wisdom speaks to the ‘maturity’ of the BU rumshop. Just look at how some of the older supposedly well-educated people behave.
    However ‘intelligent’, there are two ways of gaining knowledge – through study or through experience. By debating such immaturity one treating it as an afternoon theatre show, good for cheap laughs. My suggestion is to ignore him, as Caswell has done.


  22. As usual the comments coming from you first thing in the morning can be tossed into the vituperative bucket. The boy ‘Khaleel” is obviously a student of politics, he is reading which is more than can be said for many who frequent the blog. He is free like anyone here to follow the politics he wants. Attack his message and leave your imbecilic references at the door. You are not a politician, Senator Caswell is in that role now, context.


  23. @Hal,

    there is only one source of actual knowledge and that is experience. doctus cum libro is not real knowledge . a 16 year who has never made a woman orgasm, never paid a bill should know his bloody place. there is reason war recruiters like youngsters around that age; they know nothing and their minds can be manipulated easily to whatever idealistic rendering. that is why i dont even acknowledge the koolaid kid. yes he has a place but it should be among his peers arguing these same points or with his mentor whomever that may be. his time will come. Caswell is right. as Caswell rightly asserted and which i have adopted- aquila non capit muscas


  24. @Greene

    No surprise coming from you given your political stripe. Why do political parties have youth arms and engage in political activity? How did the Thompsons, Husbands, Sealys et al become known in Barbados as politcal aspirants? By taking on the giants in debates as teenages. If as old hardback men you want to usurp your roles by all means but allow the youth their place at the table. There is a reason why history shows that the youth are the ones to lead change. Study it!

    >


  25. @ Greene

    You Bajan Brits are so rude. I was trying to be polite to the boy. Where I come from some will tell him harsher words thatn what Caswell said.
    Have you noticed the biggest buffoon on the blog came out fighting. I try not to respond to him because it is not good for my blood pressure. But he is so stupid. Ignore the kid, let him go and play with his school mates or entertain @David of BU, the digital King Dyal..
    Have you noticed how all the Barbadian publications queue to run his silly, immature articles? In the meantime, keep your eyes on the president.
    She still has unfinished business, such as finding a good seat for the senator with an MSc in something called political sociology from the LSE, worked in a top job for the UK Treasury and is a cryptocurrency expert. She wants to find him a safe seat.


  26. @ “K” to the Second Power (“²”):

    (Quote):
    The actions in the Senate can have real consequences because it did not take place in a vacuum. The country was watching; young people were watching. How many will follow the dastardly example set, like has happened in the States?

    Where is the integrity in these persons who wish to pass judgement on the integrity legislation? (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Section 36 (4) of the Constitution of Barbados:
    “Seven Senators shall be appointed by the Governor-General, acting in his discretion, by instrument under the Public Seal, to represent religious, economic or social interests or such other interests as the Governor-General considers ought to be represented: Provided that before appointing any person under this subsection the Governor-General shall consult such persons as, in his discretion, he considers can speak for those interests and ought to be consulted.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You make it ‘sound’ as if only the two “Opposition” senators were the ones responsible for the failure of the Bill to be passed in the Upper Chamber.

    Unless you employing your own brand of partisan political arithmetic in which a majority of members can be produced from a ‘total’ of 1 we fail to see how two members can make up a minority needed to defeat a two-thirds majority of 14 out of a total of 21.

    If you are looking for a scapegoat please don’t point your fingers at the LoO’s appointed sheep.

    Why not point your fingers at those appointed to represent the ‘broader’ interests of Society as manifested in the overarching ‘wisdom’ of the GG as delegated by Her Majesty?

    If you are looking for a whipping boy to assign culpability for the crucifixion of the ‘holy’ Bill of Integrity why not highlight the incompetence of the leader of the Government’s business in that ‘august’ chamber?

    BTW, you are no ‘boy’ David trying to slay the ‘lawyering’ goliath Caswell.

    You were forced to cede on previous occasions when you came up against the more ‘mature’ jurisprudential intellect of the Senator.

    And you will continue to lose in any impartial debate of national import until you stop being just another ‘brown’ jumped-up spring chicken strutting around the red-painted barn in order to become a politically-mature cock able to see ‘bright’ right from ‘red’ wrong.

    “A righteous man will always own up to his faults.
    That’s the difference between a man and a boy.”


  27. @David,

    i would be surprise if you said something differently. i was at school in the debating society when Thompson was at school. and Caswell, and Bostic, and Dale. MAM and Donville debated for their schools.

    Thompson mostly debated at school. i remember one legendary end of term face off between Thompson and Brathwaite- i believe he was in the army and is now at the airport. it was brilliant. yes. Thomspon was part of the youth arm of the DLP and i believe that he did submit some articles and spoke nationally a few times but by that time Thompson was in 6th form. not that that makes any difference. and if Thompson or anyone contributed articles of this frequency and nature as the Kid i would have said the same. and at the time some did. others were enthralled,

    mind you i am not trying to put a damper on the Kid. he could do the same in other places like i said above but neophytes must know their place- that simple.


  28. @Miller

    This blaming of the opposition is nonsense. This was not a numbers game. The responsibility rested with government read leader of government business to build consensus for the Bill.


  29. @ David August 11, 2020 8:18 AM

    Who is blaming the “Opposition” other than those looking for scapegoats for the abject failure of the passing of the Bill in the Upper Chamber?

    Why is the Integrity of the other senators being brought into disrepute?

    Any finger-pointing or allusions to political shenanigans on the part of Senator Franklyn is pure political poppycock.

    BTW are you calling for the reshuffling of the ‘small cabinet’ in the Upper Room?


  30. @Miller

    We have discussed this so many times. At the root of our problem is that our independent senators are not so independent based on the selection process.


  31. @ David August 11, 2020 8:43 AM

    At least there will be a ray of hope when the transformation / transmutation to a republic is announced in the up-coming ‘Throne’ speech to make that Upper Chamber fit for purpose in a 21st Century Barbados.

    The current administration ought to be proactive to accommodate the upcoming changing of the guard in Buckingham palace.

  32. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Mr Blogmaster, it’s rather amusing – deeply sarcastic sense – to read bloggers and politicians “dismiss’ this young man as a ‘boy’ …. the irony of that puerile attack is also a good laugh.

    As you note the boy Thompson debated well an experienced man … an attorney no less – who one must presume had already discovered how to make “a woman orgasm” and had “paid a bill” or two…. and BESTED him in the eyes of many!

    THAT was a seminal moment for all who were into debating and in 6th forms of that era…

    On other occasions the then girls like Liz Thompson or the now PM Mottley performed well in arguments against adults on national issues .. so let’s call this as it is: a nonsensical trope re this gentleman’s age.

    Just recently we were reminded of the tremendous public messaging and argumentation of a 21 year old John Lewis amidst and among deeply experienced elders at the height of the Civil Rights struggle … he had been working tirelessly , debating and displaying his boyish intellect for YEARS leading up to that moment…

    What of the youth who went on to be those vibrant voices of the 50s and 60s here in Bim or the Elombe’s, Commissiong’s etc… all vocal as teenagers and beyond.

    We don’t have to like their politics but how in hell do we DISMISS youthful exuberance when it’s so damn ‘inconvenient’ to us…

    Blatant Bajanesque HYPOCRISY.

    Looka I like the Senator but his remark was jyst that…hypocritical… is this the SAME man who as a BOY himself was so vocal on issues… of leadership, authority etc … the same man who allegedly gave up a military commission ostensibly due to ‘youthful exuberance’. .. were folks lambasting him as a BOY then.. because of a difference of opinions!! The Senator should indeed be DOUBLY criticized… the only BOYS (or girls) are those who think that age offers a special allowance to be disrespectful.

    The boys and girls today who make the most ‘ intellectual noise are of course the men and women of tomorrow who gain the experience and keep more noise… alas a lot of the later noise turns that clarity of youth on its head!

    With experience comes greater ‘corruption’ too… along with ‘well we can’t do it that way’ deferral. YOUTH has its ‘why can’t it be that way’ benefits (and concerns)!

    Or said otherwise, learning to pay bills and learning to give your loved one orgasmic bliss can bring with it PYD: Post Youthful Depression… or the more envious .. that lil pipsqueak isn’t better than I was.

    Alas!



  33. @Greene
    a 16 year who has never made a woman orgasm
    +++++++++++++++
    That is grounds for banning right there and then, I’m appealing to the blog master to take action against you. Yuh notice that many of the men here are not so bold as to tackle that subject? I wonder if some of the wimin here will say yuh can turn that around and say neither has a 61 year old.

    Looka don’t discount 16 year olds but but the offerings on the internet these days will provide a 16 year old with the knowledge as to which buttons to push (so I have been told).

    Anyway, I dun wid this, over to you Mr blogmaster.

  34. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    BTW … simply for memory of history righteousness 😎

    @Greene your remark that “Thompson was at school. and Caswell, and Bostic, and Dale.”… is very, very loose

    As far as I know the Caswell above as in Sen Frankly is older than all others cited and was not in the same class form cohort… similarly the Dale as in AG Marshall is younger and he too was not in same class cohort.

    Whether they encountered each other in debates at school is possible surely.


  35. i remember when i was around 16 -17 i told my father he could not tell me anything about life becos i was in lower 6th and i knew a lot. I had plenty of CXCs and O levels. he said son you know nothing until you have lived. i shrugged that off as nonsense from an old man.

    when i was 26 i apologised to him. it was then after working and having a few girlfriends (looking back i am sure that perhaps one orgasmed and not from my doing) that i understood i actually knew nothing. he laughed, said he had the same issues with his dad and knew i would come back at some point and talk about it if not apologise which he was not expecting. i set out then to learn life so to speak.

    it is from this back drop that i suggest to the Koolaid Kid go and learn life then come back and talk. in the meantime hone the rhetorical skills you exhibit and stick in your own lane until then.

  36. William Skinner Avatar

    Why is there so much concern because Caswell call a fully grown political pit bull from the kennels of Roebuck and George Street a pup.
    I think Caswell got it all wrong. It’s obvious that the gentleman has already built up a rather large following.
    That’s why the comparisons with Thompson are being made. Quite frankly I am hoping for more young and fully grown political pitbulls to emerge.
    To put it simply: Mr. Kothdiwala has clearly demonstrated he is no “boy”. I may disagree with 90 % of his positions but I think he is more than ready to pursue a political career.
    Sometimes the “ elders” just think too much of themselves.


  37. yes Caswell was older (perhaps Mascoll’s age if not younger) and an officer Cadet until the Byer issue. Bostic was around the same age if not younger and an officer Cadet too. Thompson was perhaps a year younger than Bostic but i stand to be corrected. Marshall was a year or two below Bostic. i dont remember Thompson or Marshall in the Cadets. i remember Caswell as he is now.

    of that lot only Thompson was in the debating society as i recalled. and Grenville was a year above me and a year below Marshall.


  38. @ Greene

    It was part of the rite de passage. Ignore the usual BU background noise. We all went through that experience, of thinking we were the cleverest person alive. In the old, pre-digital days, we used to have scholarships to the First and Second grade schools. Scholarship boys and girls were celebrated.
    In the 1970s, the Greater London Council held a conference on police and black youth (it has ever been thus) and I was invited to speak.
    I cannot remember all of what I said, but I ended by saying that young black people should not listen to anyone over the age of 30 on race and crime. One of the delegates was a Barbadian, Ashton Gibson.
    After that conference, every time Ashton met me the first thing he would ask was how old was I; he later returned to Barbados and when in the country I would visit him. He kept asking me that question until shortly before his death. It mystified my wife until I explained to her why he asked the question.
    We must encourage bright young boys and girls, but pretending they are smarter than they really are is doing them a disservice. Many sensible people only realise how little they know about a subject after attending university and qualifying in that very subject. The more you know, the more you realise you do not know.
    I will give another story. You must have heard of Easy Boy, the character; he had a younger brother, David, who went to the Modern High School (in the years before @William). David passed three O levels before developing mental problems.
    The people in the Ivy were so concerned that David had studied too much that they warned their children about over studying. I recently reminded my elderly aunt about this and she is still convinced that David studied too much.
    You will be familiar with the annual GCSE results in England in which ten and eleven year old boys and girls pass their GCSEs, usually in maths. There is a reason for that. When the results come out next week note how the papers will go crazy about kids passing their exams. Google Ruth Lawrence.
    On BU we like going over the top. Here is a challenge for the president. If 16/17 yr olds are so clever, why not reduce the age of majority from 18, where it has been since 1963, to 16? Younger people tend to be more radical in their voting than their parents.

  39. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Skinner, absolutely ‘Sometimes the “ elders” just think too much of themselves.”

    … But it’s also absolutely natural for them (us) to think that way… were those elders not youthful pit-bulls themselves who aspired to political notoriety!

    It can’t be very enjoyable to look back at one’s time and see how your deepest ambitions faltered and then see another whip-sharp character aiming to reach those same ambitious heights to which you failed.

    And in the political public glare the sniping gets quite caustic for all to see.

    Didn’t many Black pols resent the boyish Obama who suoerceded them so completely… at times Jesse Jackson looked totally angry ‘it was not him’.

    The young AOC was derisively referred to as “a bright shiny new object” by an elderly and wise US Senator …

    Before ‘them’ they were “us” is the collective cry of every political elder who frowns, bad talks or disrespects the latest glow in the dark attraction!

    I called it Bajanesque hypocrisy above but that was poetic license for emphasis…. its just standard human hypocrisy on which Bajans absolutely have no dibs!


  40. This is unadulterated nonsense. Part of the maturation process for young minds is for the opportunity for the environment to accommodate young and old. Nobody should be summarily dismissed because of their age. This is backward and obsolete thinking.

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  41. The young and beautiful should be on night duty working as prostitutes to gain more experience, have the oldies here who claim sexual knowledge ever made a woman squirt and how do they still get it up, they must be juicing.

  42. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    David Blogmaster, there is such a seamless symmetry to life that we inevitably miss the threads that are woven therein.

    I mean no DISRESPECT in saying this (but it’s too OBVIOUS not to be said)
    … BOTH Greene and AUSTIN readily admit that they thought themselves too big for their britches in THEIR YOUTH… therefore is it any wonder that both the gents are so vociferous in lambasting current youthful vigour !

    Look this is not psych 100 intro to human thinking but how on earth can we as sensible youth (then) presume that we should not take guidance or advice from those currently running the society (with a modicum of success) into which we were born.. Yes we all have youthful knowitallism but that is hubris most egregious displayed!

    Anyhow I dun wid dat.. the logical progressions are too glaringly damning to need more palaver.

    Now @Greene this is 40 plus years later so truly superfluous but what the hell….

    You said:
    1“yes Caswell was older (perhaps Mascoll’s age if not younger) and an officer Cadet until the Byer issue. “

    You have interesting recall memory … I do not recall this Byer issue BUT Col Bostic and Sen Franklyn are NOT around the same age unless the Col sat his common entrance late for some unknown reasons . . he IS younger.

    2.Thompson of course was never a cadet nor was Marshall actually. One made his ‘bones’ in organizing a school club and the fore mentioned Debate Society… the other as an original member of Key Club which exposed him internationally even then and set his path to politics.

    Bostic was of course a stellar Cadet Drum Major, musician and top TT player.

    Caswell preceded them all and as u said was a Mascoll contemporary … the former was a top cadet as you noted and the latter an all-round sportsman (cricket, soccer, TT) who went on to supremely hone his academic skills.

    ALL THAT to say… they were ALL sharp, exuberant young men who displayed great maturity as teenager leaders of their peers… it is RIDICULOUS for any of them or any of us to denigrate today’s youthful leaders in any way, shape or fashion.

    Criticize their views vigorously of course but its simply RIDICULOUS to denigrate or dismiss today’s youth leaders … or perhaps they should just dismiss us over 30 years as old-farts too full of our glory days… as u guys did to those then!!

    Around and around the donks tree we go!

    I gone , hear.


  43. ………therefore is it any wonder that both the gents are so vociferous in lambasting current youthful vigour…..(Quote)

    ??????????????????!


  44. I cannot believe the nonsense displayed by small minded senior intellects who instead of enlightening the public of things political, prefer to denigrate a bright and knowledgeable political future of a 16-year old prodigy who is smarter, fluent with a brain of his own that speak without a piece of paper like certain so-called politicians or political fowls of the yard.
    Whilst at Combermere, David Thompson a bright and articulate teenager was focusing on becoming a politician just like same young gentleman. He eventually became Prime Minister of Barbados. He was focused, he ignored the naysayers, he pressed forward with his ideologies with economic sense and a love of people without decrying those who discredited him when he was fighting to get his message across.
    Stop blaming the youngster and blame the educational system who focused far away countries instead of Barbados and Caribbean countries.
    I was listening to Sunday talk show when I was disappointed to hear a prominent politician calling an intellectual human being “a boy” and how he “drank BLP liquid”. That’s nonsense, if you cannot respond intelligently to an issue, regarding if the person is your 5-year old grandson or a University graduate or a 16-year old, don’t go on the “Low Road” instead of embarrassing the youngster, you are lowering your standards Others will be seeing a bunch of political old timers who refuse to acknowledge up and coming youngsters who are ready to carry the political mantle for Barbados.
    I cannot believe a so-called political commentator would make such a statement “a 16 year who has never made a woman orgasm”. I can see you are actually expressing your gutter feelings. Maybe, the youngster is more man than you.
    Probably, you were accused of the same.
    I cannot believe big men would prefer being in the gutter. Simply pathetic.


  45. Greene Hal and udders who might feel so

    If Kothdiwal is such a pesky nuisance and deserves to be ignored as he should stick in he “lane”, why do both uh yu consistently deride him and he right to speak? All de time? Who yu trying to convince? DPD might be on to sumtin. Nuttin worse den unfulfilled ambition I guess. But wuh I know?


  46. @Silversleeves

    Plse do not include me in nonsense. Where have I consistently derided him. I have never taken part in any of his conversation and today is the first time, in reply to @Greene, I have even taken serious note of him. I ignore him as I do a number of people on BU.
    In case you have not read what I have previously said. I am not a teacher; I have no interest in teaching; nor am I in a popularity contest. I have read more books over the last fifty years alone than a 17 yr old has lived days. I am not prepared to be a nurse maid.
    I have spent years trying to educate myself, longer than I care to remember, and am not in the game of taking part in discussions just to be polite. If I think something is crap, I say that. If it is nonsense, I ignore it.
    The guy is not of interest to me; his juvenile politics do not appeal to me; one idiot even said I was vociferous in my condemnation. That is typical BU.Nor am I interested in backward, prehistoric Barbadian party politics and the incompetents who put themselves forward to be politicians.
    My interest is in ordinary black Barbadian working class people and assisting them to understand the kind of society they live under. I do not debate with whites, Asians, Chinese nor any others nor do I seek their validation. . But good luck to them.
    If you do not understand what I mean, plse ask.


  47. Hal Austin July 13, 2020 9:31 AM
    https://barbadosunderground.net/2020/07/12/the-other/#comment-1394979
    “If you engage this juvenile in debate then you are playing the game. Even critiquing his teenage essay is part of the game, since it implies an intellectual levelling. Just ignore him.“

    “Intellectual leveling”, “teenage essay”, “I have read more books over the last 50 years alone than a 17 year old has lived days”.

    Who are yu trying to convince dat yu are better den de youngster? And why yuh trying suh hard?

    As David would say yuh petticoat showing.


  48. @ Silver

    Let me repeat in simple language: I do not debate outside my lane, and my lane is black working class Barbadians. Statement of fact: I have read more books during my adult life than a 17 yr old has lived days.
    For your info: Let me say again. I am not trying to convince anyone; I am not looking for a job or reward; I am not looking for friends nor to be popular. I have had a full and satisfying working life. I say again: If I think something is crap, I call it out. If you and others think the kid is a genius, fine. I do not nor do I care.
    You are free to interpret that how you like. I am out of here.


  49. @ de pedantic Dribbler
    I am impress with your writing regarding the attack by others on the 16 year old. We have to listen to the youth. Embedded, you will find alternative ideas that our hard heads failed to implement.

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