The following was posted by Peter Lawrence Thompson to another blog. Given the many unknowns about the COVID 19 virus the blogmaster thought it useful to repost. Obviously the target is the medical community – David, Blogmaster

 


This has a lot of medical jargon, but if you read it carefully it gives a picture of what front line medical staff are faced with. I was written by an Emergency MD in a New Orleans hospital – Peter Lawrence Thompson

“I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

Clinical course is predictable.
2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.

Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT’s of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

Diagnostic
CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95%
CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated.
Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.

Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

Disposition
I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won’t make it back.

We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the “lockdown”, our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

Treatment
Supportive

worldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn’t appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil’s potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

Do not give these patient’s standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps.

Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14 and you may go up to 25 if needed.

Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn’t often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.”

170 responses to “Open Note to Doctors – COVID 19 Notes”


  1. Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak [UPDATES] | Tech News | Startups News.

    https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-699-coronavirus-patients-100-success-using-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-zinc-z-pak-update/?fbclid=IwAR20aaqoQB5AnjdboT47aNbUBJtBbu8lfksTWALFpUCoJhrH9NL1mdtm6FQ

    Dr Didier Raoult, French top flight Infectious Disease Specialist, in Marseille, did a limited 80 infected study, peer reviewed. Results are 78 better 1 in ICU and 1 died.
    Found that Hydoxychloroquine and Azithromicin works, accepted by Stanford ID professor, Dr Stephen Smith ID specialist on East Coast, most Docs at Presbytarian Hospitals in NY and many others.

    Man in FLA actually told family goodbye, expected to die, and took this and better in a couple days.

    Dr GP please comment.


  2. @MoneyBrain

    This conflicts with what Dr. Fauci said at the press briefing only yesterday.


  3. Dr Fauci was also incharge of the original Test Kits sent to Wash State that had a high error rate. I am not a Doc of Medicine, but it is posssiblr Dr Fauci knows there are limited supplies so does not want to hype it. WHO et al are telling people that masks dont work, why? Then they say that Medics are short of masks? I am certain that there is massive amounts of disinformation.


  4. MB I believe you , but it seems that this drug is tied to trump, people are willing to downplay positive results for a political end. Yesterday on fox they said DR,s were prescribing it to themselves as a prophylactic that should tell us something.


  5. @lawson

    Do not spout nonsense or turn this blog into an anti Trump affair. At yesterday’s press conference even Trump admitted that there is no conclusive evidence that FDA approved drugs are working, too soon.


  6. and you believe anything on FAUX NEWS. man get outta here. so now Dr Fauci is the problem? what nonsense unnuh does spout tho?


  7. @David,

    showing some balls there David. you beat me to it lol


  8. Please be awre that the Chinese are controlling the WHO. Bruce Alwyard, a Canadian in a seniorWHO positon was aked by an ASian journalist what the WHO was doing to help Taiwan, he pretended he could not hear although everything appeared perfect. Then when recontacted and asked about Taiwan he said that All of China is good. WHY? China pushed for the President of WHO to get the job???????


  9. @MoneyBrain

    What does this comment have to do with the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquineas it pertains to treating COVID 19?


  10. Whether anyone here cares to accept it or not this whole COVID19 situation has gargantuan political overtones. BUT lets see how we can ensure Bajans survive.


  11. @Moneybrain

    Please enlighten us. Conspiracy theories or not are not unfamiliar to BU.


  12. No Greene and David read the NYT from march 24 about DR”s and hydrxchloriquine, Greene please refrain licking Davids balls, covid is everywhere on the rock any solution should be explored and not after you cant get it.


  13. David, my first comment or info is key so please prove that wrong BUT make sure the info is from the very best Infectious Disease Specialists that want to save lives right now. Any knowledgeable person is aware that at least 2 phases and Double Blind studies etc are the norm but this is not mormal this is a crisis of epic proportions, supposedly. Crises and Wars demand action.


  14. @Lawson,

    right wing conspiracy theory nonsense is quite tiring, FAUX NEWS is sickening and you sycophants are exhausting. so bye


  15. @lawson and MoneyBrain

    The simple point is that at yesterday’s press briefing BOTH Fauci and Trump admitted testing of the drug has not yielded conclusive results, too soon.


  16. Whether anyone here cares to accept it or not this whole COVID19 situation has gargantuan political overtones. BUT lets see how we can ensure Bajans survive

    100% correct. I’ve had to monitor this situation since mid-December long before most were even aware of what was going on. In late December the Chinese were downplaying the virus and incorrectly stating that human to human transmission was not possible. The WHO went along. When spread started the Chinese said that it was limited to a small area and a few cases and under control. The WHO went along. When the outbreak spread rapidly in China, the WHO were tardy in drawing international attention to the unfolding crisis. After that the WHO were tardy in declaring a pandemic even though it clear to anyone following events.

    Luckily those in Taiwan, Hong Kong and South Korea were aware of the Chinese shenanigans what was going on and were among the first to adopt robust controls.

    This is not conspiracy. These are all facts.


  17. Here is a document prepared by academia for those with the medical literacy.

    Not for conspiracy theorists!

    Contrary to media promoted statistics, this study reveals COVID-19 has an infection rate 19.4 times faster than SARS, and is already four times deadlier two months into the spread of this disease (December 8, 2019-February 8, 2020). Authorities in China and the United States are both claiming that COVID-19 came about in a natural way implying it was definitely not the result of an accidental or intentional containment breech at Wuhan Virology Institute or a more sophisticated biological weapon attack.

    https://www.academia.edu/42018477/Probability_Model_of_the_Genesis_of_COVID-19_in_Wuhan_China


  18. Here is a document prepared by academia for those with the medical literacy.
    Not for conspiracy theorists!

    Hey, have you read this or even understand what it is saying? Do you know what a probability model means?


  19. @Dullard

    The blogmaster is appallingly ignorant, educate him if you must.

    Certainly, correlation does not prove causation and the USA cannot possibly be responsible for every leaf that falls from the tree of life. Simultaneously it is also true that in a room full of smoking guns and dead bodies, some kind of crime probably occurred. And, when it occurs that there is a chorus on the sidelines laughing merrily, cheering the whole thing on and profiting from the slaughter, it is not unreasonable to wonder if some members of that chorus might possibly have had something to with that crime. It is presumed that virologists studying COVID-19 are already aware there is at least a 50% probability this virus did not occur naturally, as they are not naïve, and probably also realize that the Chinese government would have to keep the possibility of a containment breech or biological attack secret in order to maintain public order. Were the Chinese public to be fully aware of the potential or probable American complicity in the COVID-2019 epidemic, Americans might not be safe in China. Surviving victim family members of those who died of COVID-19 would have a lot of justifiable anger and unfortunately
    mobs can form in an instant, anywhere in the world. This kind of thing would “fit” perfectly into
    a hypothetical American game-plan for further isolating and defaming China. Thus, logically, the Chinese government has no choice but to continue to assert the origin of COVID-19 is of natural causes and hope the next American president is not so virulently anti-China as is the present American administration. American foreign policy always capitalizes on radicalizing target populations in order to provoke responses used as justification for even greater aggression by the US DoD directed towards those target populations


  20. @Dullard
    Do you expect me to believe that the US with its vast network of intelligence sources weren’t aware of what was going on in Wuhan? Were they relying on China to provide accurate info? There is a move afoot to blame what is going on in the US to blame everyone but the current Administration, from Obama (remember he didn’t leave us with enough supplies) to Democrats to WHO. This is a President who rely on Fox TV for information and it was downplaying the epidemic plus he is surrounded by yes men who are just glad to have a “pick” so they don’t dare say anything that would annoy him.

    I expect to hear echoes of this blame on WHO as it goes along, Rand Paul wants to open an investigation of WHO in the US Senate.


  21. Sarge, do I have to remind U that the same sources said there were WMDs in Iraq?haha


  22. The biggest economy in the world, on purchasing power parity, is China. Yet, officially, it is still rated as a developing nation, along with South Korea. Canada, the 11th biggest economy, is a member of the G7. Why?
    What does that tell you.


  23. Model from Imperial College in London predicted ridiculous number of deaths and much more that is way out of line.


  24. @ Blogmaster @ Sarge

    Apologies. I think you misunderstand me. All I am saying is that
    1) The Chinese are/ were not forthcoming
    2) The WHO is being and/ or has been manipulated or influenced unduly by China
    3)As stated above, “COVID19 situation has gargantuan political overtones”

    As to whether COVID was started in a lab or came from Mars that is not my main concern and matters not at this stage.


  25. @ Dullard

    You have tried. There is a point when you give up and allow people to wallow in their own mess. The one thing I have learned in my working life is never trust the state. There are always gullible people willing to go native when it comes to official sources.
    As American journalists like to tell us, ‘a source told them…..’ …..what they often mean is the press officer. It is mostly PR. The role of a good journalist is to be always sceptical.


  26. @Dullard

    No problem.


  27. @ Sarge
    ”Do you expect me to believe that the US with its vast network of intelligence sources weren’t aware of what was going on in Wuhan? Were they relying on China to provide accurate info**

    As mighty as the US intelligence complex is, the data coming out of China is extremely valuable from medical and epidemiological perspectives. What data do you think was used to calibrate all the models that initially informed decisions like social distancing, lock downs, etc?


  28. Journalism in the USA has been DEAD for years. Few appreciate real investigative journalism


  29. 60 Minutes Australia Expose.


  30. @ Moneybrain

    What they call investigative journalism often is just getting reports etc from an insider or whistleblower. Nothing ‘investigative’ about that.


  31. this is turning into FAUX news, right wing conspiracy nonsense. cant understand how grown ass men could tolerate such crap day in day out. MAN!!!


  32. Yeap it is all Trump fault serving up his own medical opinion from making outrageous comments earlier while downplaying the dangers of the virus
    Even on occasion said “oh it is nothing more than the flu and would be finished by May
    Instead of talking Presidential and bringing facts to the nation excluding his gut feelings

  33. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
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    @MoneyBrain
    You are so full of shite that I don’t know where to start. If this is the brain that you use to manage money then it is no mystery why you are still working your ass off for a second rate brokerage.

    To begin with, when the naturally occuring survival rate is 98.6% according to current research then for Dr Didier Raoult to brag about a drug assisted survival rate of 98.7% in a small sample with no control group like you would have in a proper study makes it seem to me that we should hold off on popping the champagne corks.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30257-7/fulltext

    Come on man, even though you are only used to playing with money, not lives, you should have the math skills to tell that small samples in uncontrolled trials tell us nothing of value.


  34. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @MoneyBrain April 1, 2020 9:55 AM
    “Model from Imperial College in London predicted ridiculous number of deaths…”
    +++++++++++++++
    Did you actually read the reports from Imperial College London? Or did you just lap up what Fox News said about them? Here is the link, go and try to educate yourself: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/

    The reports stated their assumptions clearly and projected what would happen if the UK government did not take action. The reports then pointed the way to what actions would reduce the death toll. The UK government then took these actions and, lo and behold, the death toll has been reduced.

    But ignorant (and igrunt) people like you now seek to slander the experts who were instrumental in saving many thousands of lives so far by criticising what you clearly do not comprehend.

    You are a disappointment.


  35. Bajans please note that Diabetes is the number 1 medical condition that predisposes to serious effects.


  36. Lil Pete, you really think your contribution is more professional? I have presented several different professionals and U post one unknown Doc—really lame Peter. I am NOT at all surprised by this BUT had hoped we could maintain a focused approach regarding solutions. Only U know everything the rest of humanity should be subserviant except me of course! I will take medical professionals on the front lines seriously. Heard a Doc coming out of hospital say that he is using the Hydroxychloroquine as prophylatic but U know better.


  37. Lil Pete, if U get it real sick with COVID19, REFUSE the protocols that I presented because they have not gone through every normal stage of Trials and Double Blind. Where did I say that anything is statistically proven?

  38. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @MoneyBrain April 1, 2020 11:00 AM
    Correction, you posted clickbait anecdotes that have not been peer reviewed… I posted (a) peer reviewed published research it one of the top three global medical journals, and (b) research reports that you yourself referenced but clearly have not read. If you cannot see the difference you are beyond hope.


  39. Lil Pete, I was very finacially defensive before COVID and will be picking up nufty plenty Stock bargains in the period ahead. hahaha

  40. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @MoneyBrain April 1, 2020 11:04 AM
    Will I trust my health to clickbait anecdotal interventions scraped off the internet that brag about a 98.7% survival rate when the statistically established survival rate without such interventions is 98.6%. Well no I’m not and I’m entirely comfortable with that.

  41. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, you said otherwise that “[I] should read the top blog to appreciate how important mask handling is.”…. I presume it is this to which you referred.

    I am fully invested in the importance of mask handling… and I stated my clear objections re WHO’s dissembling on wide spread use… the needs by professionals and use by general public are NOT two mutually impossible results… in spite or despite the current supply issues!

    WHO cannot fill their narrative with basic BS …. it must speak frankly about the pressing needs and cut the BS…otherwise as the narrative changes – as it will – then more like @MoneyB fill the space with calling it a political lackey… not a good look!

  42. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @MoneyBrain April 1, 2020 11:00 AM
    Meanwhile, of course, people like you are creating dangerous shortages of the medication for patients with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis who really need it.


  43. Lil Pete, dont go oevrboard using BS stats to confuse yourself and others. If U had a brain U would have seen that I asked GP for his comments NOT U. Shortages of medication because qualified Docs are now using it heavily, NOTHING to do with me. Are U also fully upto date on the war between the Oxford U and Imperial College, check that out.

  44. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    “Journalism in the USA has been DEAD for years. Few appreciate real investigative journalism”

    This is high end comedy or simply a foolish non point! I’ll go with the former.

    Despite, the comic relief one should note that annually a number of journalists in US are nominated for investigative reporting excellence and one or a team are awarded as a winner… the most well known likely the Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.

    Besides that and again despite the serious ad and money issues which has forced the closure of various media houses there are still deep dive media hounds at places like The Atlantic, Just Security, The LawFareBlog and Vox to name those few.

    We may not like what some journalists/commentators say, nor like their ideological spin or even like to read past 140 words but there are still several very credible and balanced journos and commentators (quasi journalists) out there who do very impressive investigations and write extensive pieces to inform our views…

    The recently deceased former Ambassador Joe Wilson was a commentator who certainly did a deep, deep dive in the Iraq WMD and “the yellowcake in Niger”, as an example.

    Let’s be fair and note when we are striking up the comedy hour band!

  45. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    MoneyBrain April 1, 2020 11:43 AM
    Sorry to have confused you… the difference between a 98.6 survival rate and a 98.7% survival rate in a sample size of 78 with one case yet to resolve is not what we math literate people call “statistically significant.”


  46. @ David April 1, 2020 9:03 AM

    Seems to be some truth to the allegations. Do some research and you get the gist of things.


  47. “Do not spout nonsense or turn this blog into an anti Trump affair.”

    Lawson will never do that to Prince Donald, never.

    “Dr GP please comment.”

    that’s the doctor with all the inside info now in hiding, we gotta flush him out..


  48. Lil Pete, where did I state it was statistically significant? I am fully aware that the Left and people like U are praying for America to fail so that Trump will not be re-elected. Important that everyone reading this understands your motivation.

The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.

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