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Submitted by Ironside

In part I of this discourse, I indicated that there is room for a third party in the psyche of the current Barbadian society. I also set forth the contours of a basic strategic communications approach that a “third party” can adopt.

May I digress here and rebut the commentators who say that we should not talk about a third party? That position is based on the notion that the DLP is dead, principally because of its 30-0 defeat at the polls.

Realistically, that idea, predicated as it is on the current state of the DLP, is at best sensationalist; at worst, dangerous to aspiring third parties. It is also foolhardy because in the FPPS (first-past-the-post system) system, technically all it takes to win is one more vote than the opponent. The implication is that analysis of the 2018 polling results will show that DLP still has strong residual support and therefore, will not die from its wounds.

Whether we want the party dead or not is irrelevant. That is just not how things of this nature work in Barbados. There is reason why we are often described as a nation of diehards! Moreover, we prune plants and they produce more, cut down trees and they grow back. So those who wish the DLP dead are engaging in wishful thinking. If you feel like calling me a DLP supporter for saying that, go right ahead…knock yourself out! Cold!

Not Without a Vision
So, a serious third party cannot take that foolhardy position. The strategic goal of a third party or coalition of such parties, as I envisage it, is to be in one of the following positions at the end of the 2023 election, in order of descending preference:

1. Have a majority of seats and therefore, form the government.
2. Have sufficient seats to make it infeasible for any other party to have a majority without the third party’s seats.
3. Have sufficient seats to form mathematically, at least, the official opposition

I leave my fellow hyper-nerdic bloggers to do the maths in their comments, as I am sure they will.

Whatever the statistical analysis, when (not “if”) either of these situations occurs, it will be an exciting time in Barbados; history will be made. It will bring out the best and the worst in Barbadians. There will be jumping and shouting, wining and dining, bitching and cursing, fuming and fretting, wailing and gnashing of teeth!

In many ways, it will be a Phartful Emancipation Day!

Then, as we always do, even if painfully slowly, we will settle down to a new reality and get on with the business of managing the country for the good of all Barbadians. That is the bottom line, pun intended.

So the 64 million dollar question is: how do we get from here to there?

Strategic Focus
The first and most critical thing is to challenge the incumbent party with proposals at which it will balk to implement but which will find great favour with the masses of Barbadians. There are two such proposals. I will disclose only one at this time. I am not trying to hide anything; I simply want to leave something in reserve for the third party when elections draw near.

My proposal is this: challenge the government to pass legislation NOW to initiate a proportional representation electoral system. I know, you heard me talk about PR before. True. But notice the approach…issuing it as a challenge to the incumbents.

Of course, the third party must make it a major plank of its campaign and convince the public, that if elected, it WILL pass such legislation. If they win and pass the legislation, they virtually guarantee themselves seats in the 2028 election, because of the proportional representation system in effect, ceteris paribus, of course. It would then be virtually impossible for there to be a repeat of the May 2018, 30-0 “bloodbath”.

Now, I can envisage how the BLP and a revived DLP will react to this proposal but in order to keep this article short I am going to leave room for my fellow commentators to help elicit some of these possible reactions.

‘Pieceful’ Concurrence
In the meantime, I wish to recognize some similar and collateral tactics put forward by fellow commentator “Piece the Legend”. His ideas are founded on the same strategic plank: challenge and pester the incumbents with proposals that are high value to the masses but which the incumbents will be hard pressed to implement. In strategic marketing, we call it a “harassment strategy”. Below is a relevant excerpt from Piece but you can read the original at the hyperlink that follows:
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What the PdP has to do is reach out to these entities with invitations and then ask the government for assistance for example with leasing the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford venue for the function. The BLP will refuse it, IN WRITING, and the PdP will just announce this.

It’s important for the PdP to deliver things WHILE THEY ARE IN THE OPPOSITION, and for those things the need financial assistance with reach out to the BLP and if you get the resources ITS YOYR DELIVERABLES but if you dont, broadcast that too. It costs the PdP nothing to orchestrate these outreaches WHICH, IF THE BLP REFUSE TO PAY FOR, OVERTIME, SHOWN THEM TO BE PETTY AND FEARFUL.

https://barbadosunderground.net/2019/11/05/the-phartford-files-agenda-for-a-third-party-part-i/comment-page-2/#comment-1262164
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Looking Forward
A break up of the two-party system looks more and more feasible but we have to stay on point. Whether it is one third party or a coalition of third parties fighting the 2023 election is irrelevant. The important thing is to break the two-party system domination. Therefore, there are three things we have to do from here on: 1. Focus! 2. Focus! 3.Focus!


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127 responses to “The Phartford Files: Agenda for a Third Party Part 2”

  1. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    Do we need a third party to oppose the incumbent party that forms the GoB? What is its function?

    How will that differ from the present two party system,pejoratively called on this Blog the duopoly?
    Should alternative parties not have contrasting philosophies such as Liberal, Capitalist, Socialist?.
    From the rants that we get on this Blog everyday what jumps out at you?

    The criticisms seem to be against the personal characters of party members not an ideology.
    Surely we cannot take seriously a party that is based on vague ideas? Political parties have to stand for something.
    We have defaulted back to the old syndrome DLP founded out of dissenting BLP:NDP formed out of dissenting DLP: UPP out of dissenting BLP. and round and around the Mulberry Bush we do go.

    I have already suggested to these so called dissidents that it makes more sense joining the Duopoly and reform the parties from within . It seems to be a matter of personal ambition rather than any burning desire to serve the citizens of this country or differences in ideologies.


  2. Good comment Vincent. Ir there is no defining philosophy we are back to a default position. Along with awakening the awareness of the population there is the hop that people/leaders will emerge with a game plan that takes an alternative rout and at thw same time resonate with the people.

  3. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    What is the vision? Agitation? How does that differ from the other current social disruptions? Some youth angry and cannot get in touch with themselves. They cannot communicate their feelings except through violence. And we think the solution is to have more parties( including the ones at which we wind our waists) or make more readily available opioids to the youth.

    We making mock sport.


  4. @ Vincent.

    I agree with you 103% (the 3 %is to cover inflation).

    We don’t even have an active 2nd party and we taking about a 3rd one. I would support a strong coalition second party before other voices are encouraged to form and cry in the wilderness.

    We have to understand if we fail to do this, we will end up with a one party state. After all isn’t that what we have already in real terms?


  5. Agree with the slant of your comments John A and Vincent. However you should note the agitation for a third party movement maybe the disruption that acts as a precursor of that disruption.


  6. what is the association of “Some youth angry and cannot get in touch with themselves. They cannot communicate their feelings except through violence” and
    we think the solution is to have more parties( including the ones at which we wind our waists) or make more readily available opioids to the youth?
    CLEAR LIKE A WORD SALAD AND NON SEQUITUR TO ME .

  7. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 12 :32 PM

    One of the limitations of micro states, like Barbados, is the scarcity of talents….. including political talent. There are not enough leadership skills in a population of 300k to produce leaders of the quality of the Adams, Barrow and Arthur in each generation.


  8. @David.

    From how I see it the 3rd parties do nothing but strengthen the ruling parties chance at elections. They spread the opposition vote over a larger number of hopefuls, hence reducing the chance of an opposition being formed.

    They need to focus on winning a few seats as a united front first. Instead what do we have but a bunch of individual egos seeing who could shout the hardest from their own soap boxes, instead of coming together and doing what is best for the country.


  9. @John A

    Not to preempt Vincent but this is a process, it will evolve to what is required. Never underestimate the will of any people to try for better.


  10. @ Vincent.

    Yes that is very noticeable especially when you listen to the poor level of debate and the subsequent lack of public enlightenment that follows.

    Are we not though as a public just as guilty for accepting it?


  11. @ David.

    Time is something we do not have. The threat of a one party state is here today not 5 years off.

  12. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ GP

    I am just trying to make sure you do not get fat or constipated. Please eat up the word salad. It is good for you. Trust me.


  13. Agreed with Vincent


  14. THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION OF ANGRY YOUTHS AND HAVING MORE POLITICAL PARTIES
    THE TWO DO NOT COMPUTE

    YOUR ARGUMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBESITY OR GITRACT IRREGULARITIES EITHER

  15. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 12:55 PM

    I agree with you on the effect of multiple parties in a small polity. Sometimes I am tempted to conclude that this is done to frustrate the democratic process i.e to cut votes. The meager support they get from the electorate would suggest that the electorate have not taken them seriously.

    @ David BU at 12:57 PM

    I agree with you that it is part of the evolution of the political process. Except it is behaving like a cycle. I remember when there were several small political parties in the 1930’s,1940s and the 1950s in Barbados. In T&T it was worse in the period before Eric Williams. The Governor of that colony had a hard time forming a government.
    I hope we are not taking a step backwards and what recently took place is just a blip on the screen of the political monitor.


  16. Is there any danger of the country finding itself in a similar position to that of Israel? Or Britain? Or Canada? Either with a very weak government or a constant return to the polls in order to arrive at a clear cut decision by the electorate?

  17. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ GP

    You are putting them in the wrong appliance. Try an appliance other than your computer.

    If I recall correctly you introduced the salad imagery.


  18. @Vincent

    Your legitimate concern is noted the process must be influenced. HOWEVER, although it will evolve as part of a natural progression, it cannot be left to happenstance.


  19. @ Vincent.

    The question that will arise if no opposition arises is this.

    Will government’s claim of having a mandate based on a 30 to 0 victory hold true only because there is no active opposition to question policy?

    When this happens then in true terms of governance we will have a one party state.

    Wait hold on we ain’t there already come to think of it?

  20. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Fear Play at 1:39 PM

    The proportional system of representation tends to result in instability of administrations that you referenced above.
    First past the poll system, such as ours, leads to a very high probability of being able to form a stable government. Occasionally It can lead to an elected dictatorship. But that depends on the vigour of other checks and balances in the system.

  21. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 1 :48 PM

    A one party HoA is not a “one party state”. The Constitution preempted such an occasion beautifully. And Rev Atherly answered the call/ facilitated the process.

    The nominated Senate / Upper House also provides an apparatus for dissenting voices to be heard.

    Then there is the GG with some very subtle reservational tools of advice that gives the GoB and opportunity to reassess and take a second look.

    And the Fourth Estate, in which I am reliably informed, BU plays an important part.

    Again it depends on the seriousness with which these bodies carry out their responsibilities.


  22. @ Vincent.

    I make my statement based exactly on how the same entities you listed have performed recently. Hence my one party state conclusion was drawn.

  23. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ironside “it will be an exciting time in Barbados; history will be made.”

    I HATE exciting, history making times.

  24. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    The evolutionary process includes all its elements in physical science and in political and economic science.’ They are agents and reagents.


  25. @Vincent

    You should be careful not to be lured to the academic perspective.The system of government we practice was meant to be practiced in a framework which accommodates a robust dissenting voice delivered in a structured way. What you offer is a tenuous alternative to be generous.

  26. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ironside “The first and most critical thing is to challenge the incumbent party with proposals at which it will balk to implement but which will find great favour with the masses of Barbadians….My proposal is this: challenge the government to pass legislation NOW to initiate a proportional representation electoral system.”

    Where did you ever get the idea that proportional representation “will find great favour with the masses of Barbadians.” Whether it is the rejuvenated DLP or a third party, suggesting proportional representation when it has never been proposed before, seems to make the proposers seem self serving in the extreme.

    People hate self serving people.

    People will see right through you.

    Simple Simon
    Neither B nor D
    But looking forward tov oting for the DLP again, but NOT because they propose Proportional Representation

  27. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ironside “ceteris paribus”

    And cut out de Latin ya hear. Nobody under the age of 60 ain’t study no RH Latin at school.

    In 2023 most of the electorate will never have studied Latin, and will not be impressed by those old fogies who seek to impress by spouting Latin.

    Free PR=Public Relations advice: Speaking or writing in Latin will only tell the youthful electorate that you are an old has-been.

  28. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ironside “proposals that are high value to the masses”

    And you know that proportional representation is of high value to the masses. How? How? How?

    Are the masses vying for a seat in Parliament with a tax funded salary and gold plated pension?

    NO.

    Are political wannabees vying for a seat in Parliament with a tax funded salary and a gold plated pension?

    YES.


  29. @Simple Simon

    Do not be overbearing. The term is used by economists more than being seen a Latin.

  30. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Vincent Codrington “reform the parties from within . It seems to be a matter of personal ambition rather than any burning desire to serve the citizens of this country or differences in ideologies.”

    Thanks Vincent.

    I couldn’t have said it so well.

  31. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Vincent CodringtonNovember 9, 2019 12:49 PM. “There are not enough leadership skills in a population of 300k to produce leaders of the quality of the Adams, Barrow and Arthur in each generation.:

    Here I disagree sharply with you.

    A population of just under 300,000 is capable of producing decent leaders. However some of our old fogies stick around for much too long. They know political partisanship and little else. They seem to think that if they dye their hair we will believe that they are young.

    Ask Ironside and his mentors to talk to my Little Susie who is a 25 year old creative, and can sit on any part of the planet solicit, create and deliver paid work. There are thousands like Susie. Ask Ironside to talk to them.

    Don’t talk to me. I may well be dead as a door-nail before May 2023.

    Talk to Little Susie.

  32. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 2:20 PM

    In Portfolio Management and in Econometrics we have to remind our selves that past performance is not often a good indicator of future performance. The past need not be deterministic. David BU believes in the power of disruptive elements to bring about change. We must each play our part . You are both in my opinion doing o.k.

  33. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @DavidNovember 9, 2019 2:41 PM “Simple Simon, Do not be overbearing. The term is used by economists more than being seen a Latin.”

    Methinks that the Latin speakers are the overbearing ones.

    We the electorate are not Latin speakers or readers or writers, neither are we economists. We are not interested in esoteric economic terms. Speak to us in plain English or plain Bajan. Cut out the Latin. Trust me NOBODY under the age of 60 is impressed by the Latinate terms. And a good number of the over 60’2 will be gone by May 2023. Talk to the youth.

    They are highly interested in good interesting work in return for good pay.

    Talk about work. Show the young people how you will do better than anybody else to ensure good work for good wages so that the young people can raise their families.


  34. @Simple

    You and the others should consider stepping up. Why should others dumb down a way of communicating?


  35. @ Vincent.

    Thank you. I still feel we as a people must take much of the blame. If we accept mediocrity without demanding better that is exactly what we will get. A recent example of course being the ” debate” over the foreign debt restructuring! Remember where $ 500 million. Was restructured and yielded a $4billion saving and not a man asked ” oh how?”


  36. My problem is when grand pie in the sky statements like the $4B saving goes unchallenged and the unions ask for a 10 percent wage increase what you going tell them? You going say ” fellows I did only talking for the voters wunna tek we serious?”

    This is where BS then snowballs and creates problems for all of us. Maybe a party should form with a motto of ” PURE UNFILTERED TRUTH ONLY”

    Then again they might lie to get my X! Lol

  37. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 2: 27 PM

    Please do not feel compelled to be generous.
    Show the evidence to the contrary and the logical flaws in my arguments. We are all products of academia. Most things are conceived and interpreted in the mind. There is no dichotomy in my profession. Our system of governance is applied political science. Do you think it is coincidence that the many modern and successful leaders studied Social sciences?

  38. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @John ANovember 9, 2019 3:06 PM “Remember where $ 500 million. Was restructured and yielded a $4billion saving and not a man asked ” oh how?””

    it is clear that nobody told you that Professor La-Ha is on our team.

    Professor La-Ha= a 1960’s era magician who entertained Bajan school children. My favourite was when he made one of the boys “lay an egg” and when he “urned lumps of coal into sweeties”, specifically those delicious golden yellow nut crisps made by CCC.

    Men like Professor La-Ha can save $4 billion out of $500 million, easy so.

    Lol!


  39. @Simple

    You too bad! Lol


  40. re November 9, 2019 1:40 PM

    @ GP

    You are putting them in the wrong appliance. Try an appliance other than your computer.

    If I recall correctly you introduced the salad imagery.
    YOU SHOULD HAVE NOTICED THAT WHEN I DID SO, THAT I INTRODUCED IT CORRECTLY IN CONTEXT


  41. I know we had a MOF that make real money disappear now Simple telling me we got an “advisor” that can make it reappear!

    Lord Vegas here we come with the Bajan Magicians Chris & Lala😂

  42. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A

    You , I and all other electors who voted have one vote each. We exercise our responsibilities. We come on BU and we apply our professional skills to societal issues hoping to shed a little light. There is nothing else we can do but lead by example and show the way the best we can.

    @ Simple Simon

    I am beginning to think we all need time out. I come here to learn. There is no way that learning common Latin phrases will not aid your comprehension. I even use my lingua franca ( Bajan ) when it best expresses my thoughts and feelings. You must be younger than fifty if you have not read”ceteris paribus” in Julius Caesar’s acconts of his military exploits.If you were in the medical field you must have used many Latin words, So take it easy.

    Other things being equal ,I hope we will all make a difference.


  43. Ironside:

    If you propose proportional representation, then you should propose how it may work.

    Currently, we vote for individual representatives, and they secure their seat in Parliament. Are you advocating that the voters can only vote for political parties, rather than individual candidates?

    Are you advocating that the number of votes cast be used to determine the number of seats that are available to each party? Are you proposing that once the number of seats allocated to each party is known, then party then selects the individuals who will represent them in Parliament?


  44. @ Vincent.

    Yes you are correct all we can do is share our views based on our background and hope that based on the exchanges something positive occurs.


  45. @ John A November 9, 2019 3:40 PM
    “I know we had a MOF that make real money disappear now Simple telling me we got an “advisor” that can make it reappear!
    Lord Vegas here we come with the Bajan Magicians Chris & Lala…’’
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    Big man John, if you and the little miller can see right through this blind of bullshit why can’t the man in Opposition see out of this ‘red’ veil of B S or has he been knighted with the ‘blind’ national pride of Opagueness?

    How can a ‘princely’ sum of $500 million (or even $5 billion) give rise to a savings of $5 billion over 5 years?

    At least the ‘damned’ idiot in a dog collar could have asked for the spreadsheets which supported the MoF’s verbal sleight of hand for verification of the numbers.

  46. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ Mr Vincent Codrington

    I will respond to what you said first as opposed to commenting on what “my fellow employee in the PDP” has said

    Please note that quoted remark came from Bedroom Policeman aka Grenville Phillips whose mouthing are …. non repeatable badwords.

    But you said and I quote

    “…I have already suggested to these so called dissidents that it makes more sense joining the Duopoly and reform the parties from within .

    It seems to be a matter of personal ambition rather than any burning desire to serve the citizens of this country or differences in ideologies….”

    I am inclined to see your rationale about ambition and ideological values being the driving factor for many of these Third Party Movements globally.

    But why I CANNOT AGREE WITH YOUR PROPOSAL ABOUT CHANGING A PARTY FROM WITHIN lies in what I would refer to as THE MARIA AGARD SYNDROME.

    Simply put THE EXISTING DUOPOLY WILL KILL ANY SUCH CHANGE BEFORE IT WILL GROW

    Imagine the uphill trudge that Leron Gibbs will have to replace Mugabe, Teets, Hats, Toppin, Pain, Thorne, Hinkson etc. Al.

    That change WILL NEVER HAPPEN FROM WITHIN not in our lifetimes combined.

    This must be AS CLEAN A BREAK AS POSSIBLE, notwithstanding the purported complicity of Reverend Atherley

    Your model SIMPLY WILL NOT WORK, mr Codrington

    For there to be at least a fighting chance, THE THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT MUST BE A STANDALONE ENTITY.

  47. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for Mr Vincent Codrington thanks


  48. @ Miller

    You remember when people said Tom Adams would go into debate with a blank sheet of paper and pretend to pull numbers off it? Well even if the pastor man had a sheet with numbers on it, I doubt he would of known how to pull them off.

    Tom was a masterful statistician and the other gentleman is a preacher. What more can I say?

    That is why I maintain more parties is not the answer if that is the quality of opposition they will bring. Our energy should be focused on bringing together one strong party, with some in it trained in fiance and it’s application. Going forward we will have some complex financial situations especially as 2029 approaches, we need men that can discuss and educate the public on those issues.

    I mean don’t get me wrong praying on them might help too!


  49. @Simple Simon
    Re: “Ceteris paribus”
    Ceteris paribus, verbal diarrhoea is verbal diarrhoea!

    P.S. Hope you don’t mind the UK spelling!
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    Re: Talk to Little Susie.
    Does she do portraits?


  50. @John A

    We should be worried about the quality of the opposition, even more worried about citizen debate in the various fora.

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