Barbados Murder Statistics July 2019

July 2019 saw at least two murders taking place in Barbados (32 for the year so far). Both of them took place in in St. Michael. The victims were male and died as a result of gun and knife related violence. The data was collected and compiled based on available media reports at the time. See below charts for additional details and analysis.

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  • @ David
    you seem surprised at the death toll. Anyone following trends would not be. Barbados is a de-facto trans-shipment point for drugs. Throw into the mix a corrupt elite, and to mix add a seemly incompetent judiciary and a high degree of unemployment among young men, the out come is obvious. The unemployed need to live like others and therefore drug peddling is a means of making a living with all of its consequences.

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  • Reading the stats the last 3 months have settled to compare with first 3 months. Do we know the reason? The COP publicly voiced his men have wrestled the problem to submission.

    We will see. We tend to focus on enforcement at the expense of the preventative.

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @David

    These are parish counts of where the victims(s) died or were killed I suppose. What would be an interesting statistic or fact would be where the person resided or lived before being killed. That number can also be overlaid to show how homicides are distributed.

    Losing a loved one to murder/homicide is not something anyone who is rational or sane will put on their to-do-list. However, for 32 families and their associated friends’ network, it is something they have had to deal with.

    We know that there are mental and physical trauma associated when a person is involved in an accident. The family and friend network get impacted. In the back of our minds, we know that persons die. Just look in the Sunday Sun and you will be reminded at least once a week that death is a part of being human. However, even when the old person in the family dies; we may say well she/he had a long life, but dealing with the finality of death is still hard for many.

    Now take all of the above and impose that on the family & friends network of a murder victim. A victim that by averages had a good number of years remaining on the planet. All I am saying is that with these high and maybe increasing homicide numbers occurring, we are going to have many members of our society suffering from the emotional and mental impacts for years to come; and that fact will be measurable at some point in the future, and it will not be a positive statistic.

    The blowback will be silent, persons often suffer in silence. The impact of society will be measured in a small way but across many persons. The more person we kill the larger the impact on the society. We need to be careful; all involved, the medical, social media; those now yet impacted and law enforcement need to understand that we need to reverse this homicide trend. Consequently also reduce the suffering of the silent few(for now) that we know little about, and seriously hope/pray not to join their ranks as either a family member or friend of a victim.

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  • David your rhetoric implies a sense in comfort to what u states as a”settled”
    Your reasoning of “settled”is somewhat baffling when the reasons for these crimes are left not fully address

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  • Crime or not, that is not what is and will continue to kill the economy.

    What is killing the economy is the total lack of efficiency and speedy work in both public and private sectors.

    Anyone who has dealt with the local legal and registry system here, or the private financial institutions here, has been through the wringer. It is terrible.

    LACK OF SERVICE is what is killing business and hence the economy. A total, xxxxpoor lack of service.

    Between the corruption and the lack of service, strange as it may sound, the crime takes a distant backseat to killing the economy. Sadly, it is killing people, but not the economy, as the first two are doing.

    Barbados needs new financial institutions, a new model for business service.

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  • @SirFuzzy

    Good critique, Amit is following and is willing to build on his info gathering once available.

    @Amit

    One imagines to collate the additional data will mean visiting multiple sources where the primary data is scattered?

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  • Age, gender, cause of death, employment and educational status, marital status and circumstances surrounding death (ie argument, drive by shooting, gang-related, etc) , type of area (residential, commercial, work place, Heights, Terraces, etc), previous involvement with crime – and the population of the parish. A good study in the epidemiology of crime.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    So now you are into Data Mining. Just a reminder that Data do not speak for themselves. What is your hypothesis? Could it be the rising temperatures due to Global warming? How about widespread dissatisfaction with things as they are?

    Good start all the same.

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  • @Vincent

    Not data mining, data design.

    Understanding the environment we have to exist is a never ending undertaking.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    You were hoping that the data you posted would yield a pattern that would clue you into what are the causes of the apparent upsurge in homicides. That is Data Mining .

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  • St. Michael has the largest population by far.

    In addition, it is the centre of all cultural activities.

    That less than half the reports of murder are from St. Michael is therefore unremarkable in itself.

    That 26 are reported in the St. Michael – Christ Church – St. Phillip crescent may be more statistically significant.

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  • @Vincent

    The article posted is from fellow blogger caribbeansignal.com, you do realize?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 9 :32 AM

    Thanks for bringing the source of the article to our attention. We assume that any article posted on BU has your endorsement. We will be more careful going forward. We tend to pay more attention to the head of the submission where it states by David. Are they a subsidiary of another Analytica corporation?

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  • @Vincent Codrington

    If by “they” you mean caribbeansignal.com, the answer is no, it is not a subsidiary of Cambridge Analytics (or any other firm for that matter).

    I am the sole owner of the domain and the blog. The murder stats I compile are just one area of my independent research interests. The reports also satisfy my general interest in data collection, analysis, identifying patterns (if any), et cetera.

    I’ve also collected, compiled and published data, via the blog, on the following:

    1) Retail fuel price data for Barbados (circa 5 years worth). Useful for some consumers and businesses.

    2) Gender diversity across board of director’s for certain Caribbean companies.

    3) Full details on Barbados 2018 election results as well as data analysis on past elections for same.

    Cheers,
    Amit.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Amit at 10 :36 AM

    Thanks very much for the assurance. Good use of your time. I wish you many years enjoyment in the field of Data Collection and Analysis. We are into the Era of severe disruptions and I am wary of using past data to understand the present and project the future.

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  • @Vincent

    All the more reason why historical data collection and analysis of that data is important read regression analysis?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu

    Not too useful when there is disruptive change. It is precisely for this reason that there is a greater concentration on Probability Statistics a la Bayes. Many of us try to keep ahead of the curve but not too far ahead.

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  • @Vincent

    Understand at best it represents a baseline amid the uncertainty.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 11:04 AM

    I agree it is a good place to start. It has didactic value.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    Even armed with the best data and technology predicting crime trend is not a complex exercise. Criminal behavior in general is a local phenomenon with all its cultural nuances. You can have two countries that suffer from the same crime-inducing factors (eg. high unemployment, corruption, weak institutions, high poverty rate etc) yet the outcome is totally different. One is relatively peaceful and the other one becomes a violent nation.

    Why is Indonesia( the largest muslim contry in the world) murder statistic is so low compare to Brasil or even the USA?

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  • fortyacresandamule

    correction. predicting crime trend is a complex exercise.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Vincent, your remarks on data are a bit confusing !

    We always have to look at data to make sensible interpretations of life before us. Yes of course, analysers can and deliberately make very misguided extrapolations but how or why can the careful study of life’s data NOT be reviewed or mined for possible correlations/links!

    These murder stats say no more than what is presented: how many people died of violent, criminal causes (murder) and where those deaths occurred.

    Realistically NO useful hypotheses can be derived from that raw data but with added inputs some hypothesis can be formed and expanded to inform actions!

    A friend was telling me recently of the continued exploding murder rate in TnT (now some 300 she said)…this comes in the wake of over 500 murders there in 2018. Surely they have been analyzing and mining their stats for years now and just as surely have FAILED to resolve the root causes they identified.

    Is that the fault of the analysis/mining or as you noted a problem of badly “…using past data to understand the present and project the future”!

    My concern with your thrust focuses on our critical need to collect and mine data AS best as we can…it will not be the cure to the issue or provide all the details needed but it MUST be accepted as very helpful…

    …thus the way climate change data is manipulated on BOTH sides is ridiculous: Its maddening to have ignorant sounding ideological naysayers dismiss all science just as it’s incredulous that believers dismiss the natural aspects of change that are not directly related to over-use of fossil fuels!

    We have to carefullly and often laboriously mine data to find correlations…(remind the FBI of that pre 9-11) and we must properly treat the results before make grand presumptions!

    I gone.

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  • What a disgrace. As soon as the government has once again successfully solved a problem, the opposition comes out of some holes and recycles the old issue of murder rates.

    Believe me, Barbados is safe as long as you don’t live in the slums around Bridgetown. I’ve never heard of anyone breaking into a Sandy Lane villa.

    How about praising the government? For the rand debt cut, for example, or the dismantling of the civil service?

    Tron
    – fair and balanced –

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  • @Tron

    The factors driving crime in a country is multi fanged. Leave your argument to the political zombies.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Forty senor that sounds like a very false equivalent …re: “Why is Indonesia( the largest muslim contry in the world) murder statistic is so low compare to Brasil or even the USA?”

    Your bracketed comment (which you quite properly provided) has the absolutely most critical reasoning to answer your query. THAT variable creates the false equivalency…

    … if you cite two heavily orthodox Muslim nations with vastly differing crime stats given the same underlying factors noted then there is a debate or on other hand two non-theocratic governing nations !

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  • fortyacresandamule

    The caribbean high murder rate statistic is a paradox when you compare the socio-economic data of the region with other less develop regions of the world. Just look at Trinidad and The Bahamas. two of the weathiest countries, outside of Canada and the USA, in the hemisphere. Yet, they happened to have a relatively high per capita murder rate. However, we know that it more than just socio-economic factors that are at work here.

    I remember the days when New York City (NYC) was the murder capital of the USA. 2000 murders per year was the norm for the city. Then gradually, starting from the mid 90s,…. the NYC MIRACLE happened. Now NYC is the safest big city in the USA and among the safest in the world.

    The past two years, NYC has recorded less than 300 murder for a city of 8 million people. IMPRESSIVE! This give me hope for our people in region…our own caribbean crime miracle.

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  • I see other have comments on a number of analyses. I hope you don’t torture the data to meet their suggestions. However, there are a number of additional diplays that you can show.

    Line graphs (step functions) for all parishes: All parishes can start at zero and with month (0-12) on the horizontal aaxis. You can increment by one whenever a murder occurs. The plot would be a bit confusing in the early months but the parishes should separate out early on the year as those three parishes are the main hive of activity. By the time you get to April/May the parishes should separate and you will have just three of four lines..
    A next trick to separate the parishes is to stagger the plots. but I think

    Some have indicated that the one should take the population of the parish into consideration. One way to get around this is by showing the cumulative number of murders in each parish per ten thousand inhabitants in the parish (since most parishes are around 10,000) and then show as a barchart. with all the parishes on the same chart. The zeros will remain as zero and the other parishes would be adjusted to per 10,000. All numbers are per ten thousand.

    if the population of st Michael was 50,000 then we would have 10000*(14/50000)=2.8;

    You should play around but keep it simple.

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  • Don’t get entangle in the political verbiage. Just present the data and let the wordsmiths and political operatives spin what they like. Some like your presentations because they are spin-free

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  • fortyacresandamule

    @Depedantic. Okay, fair enough. I only inserted the muslim part purely by fact and not for emphasis in the comparison. I was looking purely at the results (murder statistics ) of two countries that more or less suffered from the same socio-economic deficiency (eg Brasil and Indonesia) or two countries at the opposite end of the socio-economic spectrum ( Indonesia vs USA).

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  • Basically the bottom line is who would tackle this gorilla
    Yes data is important .however the fear that lives in the minds of people is equally important
    Guns and drugs are the starting point
    Without guns and drugs their would be no need for all the fancy data
    Lets start by gathering the data which is causing the problems
    Like how many ports have easy acess for these guns and drugs to enter
    Who are those have the financial resources to bring them in
    Govt implemting a plan a financial reward for those who have information

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  • You are aware the prevalence of guns is scarce in Britain but it has not prevented murders? The preferred weapon is a knife.

    Borders have to be protected but it does not address the systemic problem.

    We have to work to ensure our families do their duty to reduce parental delinquency.

    Our governments work hard to create opportunities for individuals to realise economic prosperity.

    That there is a strong safety net to protect those who fall short etc etc.

    It is a complex issue that cannot be addressed by simplistic recommendations stoked by political biase a la Trump.

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  • @ MARIPOSA

    Govt implemting a plan a financial reward for those who have information
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    NAILED IT

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  • Indeed Barbados jumped off to a horiffic start during the month of Jnauary. It would be wise to attempt to understand what was happening during the period the months of December, January, February, March and April as we do want to be singing from the same hymnal in 2020..

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  • @$!!!&**$ typos
    Indeed, Barbados jumped off to a horiffic start during the month of January. It would be wise to attempt to understand what was happening during the months of December, January, February, March and April as we do NOT want to be singing from the same hymnal in 2020..

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ dpD at 12:00 PM

    My intervention that data do not necessarily speak for themselves; but are useful in accepting or rejecting null hypotheses is intended to make the presenter and reader think. I also pointed out that when there is a sea change in a social system or phenomenon under research past data is not very useful. So yes it is confusing a sign that you are thinking . The objective has been achieved.

    You are quite right when you cited the 9/11 event. That changed our concept of the war theatre did it not? So all I am saying is that the past is no fool proof indicator of the future.
    But I think you covered all the areas perhaps more comprehensively than I did.

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  • The following IADB report was referenced in earlier submission. Although dated 2106, it identified trending that presented early warning. We have been caught as a country with our pants around the knees because WE fell asleep on the job. All of us.

    Here is the LINK.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    @David. All the UK homicide knife crimes for the past two years pale in comparison to gun homicides in say Chicago. It only takes one person with a gun to commit varying degree of human massacre. And it can be accomplished from a relatively far distance.The Knife doesn’t possess those advantages.

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  • @fortyacres

    The reference was to make the point if deviant behaviour exist the weapon available will be used. It was not to ignore the violence of the gun as we are saw recently in El Paso.

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  • How come BU total 32 murders and the local media records 33
    Mariposa counts the two babies which were murdered by their fathers which bring my count to 35
    Also Mariposa awaiting the cause of the fiery death of a man and his mother
    Nothing in my book of details is left to chance since this govt already shown that they can be ridiculously not transparent and use the media to cover up stories from the public

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    The knife is an up close and personal tool of killing. But it is lethal. I the USA, the land of many guns another massacre or mass shooting has been unleashed. 29 dead in two separate venues. The weapon of choice the gun. It was even reported that in one incident the length of time was under two minutes, but so many were killed. Just imagine if the shooter had more time and/or more ammunition. There is much more to be learned as to why a person chooses to commit murder. I know for sure it is much more than economic or social circumstances to be blamed if you needed to actually blame someone or something..

    Just my take

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  • Not just a gun, a semi automatic.

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  • @Mariposa

    BU’s count, in the context of this blog post, is based on my monthly count which at the end of July stood at 32. However, it is in fact 33 as you commented, as there was a stabbing in August.

    I also wondered about the tragic deaths of the father and his two children in July. However, unless I see something in the press clearly associating these deaths with murder/violence, I will not include them. Same goes for the fire involving the man and his mother. Of-course, others are free to include them in their own counts.

    Cheers,
    Amit.

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  • Waiting for local authorities after almost three weeks of any official cause of murder for the fiery death of the babies is foolhardy
    As local authorities in the first day of investigation stated that the deaths was an apparent suicide which included the deaths of the babies
    So far local authorties have not changed that statement
    Which should give reason to conclude that the babies death was due and in part of negative actions by the father
    What i do perceived is that govt officials takes upon themselves to resort to the silent treatment a treatment which gives them enough time to hide any more details from the public
    These babies were murdered when the father took it upon himself to commit suicide along with killing the babies in a revengeful manner
    Until any other explanation is introduced or given for these babies death
    These babies would be count as 2 additional murders in barbados murder toll

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  • fortyacresandamule

    @Sirfuzzy. Like your analysis. Couldn’t agree with you more. That’s why I am a big fan of the field of epigenetics and violence. Epigentically, a society that has experienced constant trauma, ends up becoming a violent society in my opinion.

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  • @fortyacresandamule

    A good word.

    ep·i·ge·net·ics
    /ˌepəjəˈnediks/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun BIOLOGY
    the study of changes in organisms caused by modification of gene expression rather than alteration of the genetic code itself.

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  • Most of the people that are being done wrong Lives in St. Michael so the Pressure is great, All the NHC , UDC victims are in this area,So keep thinking Land Fraud has nothing to do with Nothing, As the bodies pile up, Keep Watching much more to come, As the Crime Minister suck the nation dry deeper into PONZI Fraud with her greed for the greedy, People has no Self Worth, The BBLP and DLP want them never to own anything and rent from the government for Life,BFP ,,,

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  • @David, @SirFuzzy, comments and suggestions noted, I will look at how best to incorporate same maybe in next report and/or include retroactively.

    @TheOGazerts, thanks for the feedback. Rest assured no torturing of data here in the murder reports. Observe, collect, sort, and then report only.

    @VincentCodrington, thanks for the feedback as well.

    @Mariposa, I understand and respect your view.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Amit August 5, 2019 6:12 PM “However, unless I see something in the press clearly associating these deaths with murder/violence.”

    i passed there not ten minutes before the news broke on the radio. I pass there virtually every day, sometimes driving, sometimes walking. There is evidence of a great deal of violence at the site.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ forty acres etc at 7:00 PM of 5/08.

    I agree with your analysis. Violence begets violence at the individual and social levels. So we need to dig a little deeper into the data to find out why and how. Thanks for adding to our vocabulary. I get the feeling that there is a lot of suppressed anger in our society. We should take preventative measures early and avoid policies that add to them.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    @Vincent. ” I get the feeling there is a lot of suppressed anger in our society”. Bingo! Looking beyond the traditional socio-economic factors is very crucial.

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  • Read a lady body was found at hastings beach
    One would have thought that the body would be sent to the morgue for forensic and cause of death
    But No. The body was handed over to a local funeral home
    Is this the way police handle mysterious deaths
    Or this is a new prodecure initiated to stop public from pursuing the authorties for valued information relating to cause of death
    Everyday it seems like barbadians are being cut out of having to know the hows whens and where about anything to do with govt procedure

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  • Here is what was stated in the report. Where does it state the body was handed over to a funeral home?

    The body was removed around 10:15 a.m. by personnel from Two Sons Funeral Home. One of the onlookers at the scene was identified as the deceased’s boyfriend. However, he said he was unable to speak at that time.

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  • Why would a funeral home removed the body from where it was found before it was sent to the morgue for further investigation

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Perhaps the funeral home removed the body to take it to the morgue for the autopsy.

    I mean who ele do you expect to remove dead bodies…the icecream vendor?

    Stupssseee!!!

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  • Again why would police authorities release a body to a funeral home before sending it to the morgue for further investigation
    Never knew that funeral home workers were police authorities stuepsee .

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  • Clearly you are unfamiliar with the arrangement in Barbados. Two Sons Funeral Home is the entity the state uses to transport dead bodies, for years now.

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  • @ David BU

    SirSimpleSimon on a different blog said call a spade a spade.

    According to who some contributors refer to as president of her fan club, Mariposa is appallingly ignorant. She is an appallingly ignorant DLP yard fowl.

    For years Two Sons Funeral Home had the contract to remove dead bodies and transport them to the morgue.

    She knows this, but is only trying to politicize the issue.

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  • “Waiting for local authorities after almost three weeks of any official cause of murder for the fiery death of the babies is foolhardy….”

    Mariposa

    It’s either you watch too much “CSI,” “Quincy M.E,” “NCIS” or “Law & Order” on television, or thine ignorance is boundless. I believe it’s both.

    Determining the cause of death through forensic examination (autopsy) cannot be done within an hour as is seen nightly on those “CSI” television series. In “real life,” for example, toxicology tests may take several months.

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  • Barbados has the most to worry about in high blood glucose and obesity. Diabetes and heart disease are the lead killers. http://www.healthdata.org/barbados

    We should all know that by now, but here it is in print by an international reputable source.

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  • This should be a warning to all countries. Look at how drug use disorders as a factor in both death and disability has risen in ten years in the USA, likely it is nearer to the top of the list now, as this data is from 2017.

    So while guns are a concern, there are further grave social issues in the USA, which is reflected in this data.

    Sadly, it is a society facing serious personal and interpersonal issues, which current politicians have used to their advantage for power.

    Without careful attention, this will cause the society to unravel with serious consequences.

    Is it already unravelling? We are seeing the race issue and that is serious, but is that a symptom of a society in crisis?

    Maybe we look deeper? One indication of this is the issue of drug use being so high as a factor impacting society.

    http://www.healthdata.org/united-states

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  • “Why would a funeral home removed the body from where it was found before it was sent to the morgue for further investigation.”

    Mariposa

    I have often advised you to do some research on the topic before spewing your usual rhetorical political diatribe. But, then again, you’re only performing the job your pay-masters in George Street are paying to perform.

    I’m sure you’re aware that Tudor’s Funeral Home has a government contract to arrange “paupers’ funerals,” which are paid for by the Welfare Department. Similarly, Two Sons Funeral Home has a government contract to remove bodies from scenes involving the police…… and transporting them to the morgue. This is common knowledge.

    Okay, I’ll give you an example.

    On May 24, 2016 (PLEASE NOTE THE DATE), a 34 year old female collapsed and died just after 1 p.m. while having lunch with friends in the popular Roebuck Street, Bridgetown boutique, “Ruff N Tuff.”

    A photo showing personnel from Two Sons Funeral Home removing the body for transport to the morgue was also included in the article.

    So, are you suggesting that in 2016 when your DLP was “in power,” and Two Sons was used to transport bodies to the QEH morgue ………….

    ………….. “this (was) a new prodecure (procedure) initiated to stop public from pursuing the authorties (authorities) for valued information relating to cause of death. Every day it seems like barbadians (Barbadians) are being cut out of having to know the hows whens and where about anything to do with govt procedure?”

    Once again you have demonstrated that “THINE IGNORANCE IS BOUNDLESS!!!”

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  • Robert Goern
    How did u come up with the conclusion that Mariposa knew that Two Sons have a contract with govt to transport dead bodies to the morgue?

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  • @ Mariposa

    Nothing you say would convince me that YOU do not know Two Sons have a government contract to transport dead bodies to the morgue.

    You have failed in your attempt to make this a BLP issue.

    This has been happening FOR YEARS and you know it.

    It has been reported during news broadcast from all stations of CBC and StarCom Network FOR YEARS, and recently social media.

    FOR YEARS pictures of men from Two Sons removing bodies are seen on CBC TV, and in Barbados Today, Nation News and the Advocate.

    Unless you want to say you don’t listen or watch the news.

    Then I’ll know you’re definitely a liar.

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  • In fact the big man in overalls from Two Sons has become a popular association at scenes where the police have described as unnatural.

    This is another non issue by a person who is being economical with the truth read liar or is ignorant to what happens in Barbados.

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  • On a more pertinent note the minister of education was quoted in the news that the MOE has done a study and the data shows that families are being severely impacted by the high incidents of murder in Barbados.

    #duh

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, I do love how u does upbraid this @Mariposa persona 😁…

    You dun know that she/he/they are the worst type of Bajan – a gypsy political fanatic- who spreads BS data to create BS attention !

    When I read the absolutely nonsensical remark about a private funeral home and the deceased in public spaces I was again convinced that David Blogmaster should ban them or disclaim their dissembling nonsense…

    As you said the management of bodies by private contractors has been COMMON knowledge for donkey years now … yet this persona simply spreads stupid, unfounded allegations in whatever attempt to score cheap political points … DLP or BLP or Solutions or whomever they MUST be called out for their stupid propaganda as often as they do such BS…

    So keeping on loving them as forcefully as you do!

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  • @ David BU

    You are correct about the big man in the overalls. He has become an icon.

    You should call a spade a spade. Don’t other people talking foolishness about being economical with the truth. Mariposa is a LIAR and should be called out as LIAR.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Oh dear I missed all of that from the Blogmaster and other blogger… while writing above and multitasking other acts.

    The point was overly reinforced by me alas, as a result.

    Alright den…gone, gone.

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  • The difference between BU and the FB cabal she hangs is that BS will be exposed for what it is, shit.

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  • You guys are funny here these yardfowls have attacked me as ignorant or i should know that the funeral Home is contracted by govt to pick up dead bodies
    Well for once my not knowning should dispel the arrogance of rumor mongering amongst the blp yardfowls that i knows everything that goes on in George
    In any case my not knowning would not make them happy
    Boo. Boo haaa

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  • But Robert Goren u are a real buffoon fuh trute
    I asked u a simple question as to how u know what i know of govt contract with the funeral home to which u replied that Mariposa is Liar
    Any one being economical with the truth is u
    Translation bold face liar

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  • Please move on. The matter has been clarified.

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  • But after all my character was placed under attack by the blp gang of mongrels
    Being called a liar and as of yet no one can bring the proof of my knowning what agreement govt had between the funeral home
    Not expecting any one here to accept the error of being wrong
    However i do think a principal guided by good leadership /example /should be set by the blogmaster absent of verbal attacks

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  • @ David BU

    I’m sorry, but I must respond.

    @ Mariposa

    If there is any person here who is a buffoon and economical with the truth, IT’S YOU.

    You asked a simple question and I responded that it has been happening for years; it has been reported in the print and electronic media for years.

    CBC TV has been showing men from Two Sons removing bodies for years. Recently it is being reported on social media.

    It is common knowledge.

    Unless you want to convince us you don’t read, listen to or watch the news.

    Now, that’s when I said I would definitely know you’re a liar.

    For you to come here wanting us to believe that this Two Sons thing is something new under the BLP, you are a silly yardfowl buffoon liar.

    Your silly DLP yardfowl stunt has failed. Time to move on.

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  • Still cant convince me nor your self that i knew of the agreement
    The evidence lies with a proof of my knowning and u have none
    Making comments to the effect that i should kniw because of printed media does not wash
    The fact that i never knew irks u
    In fact you should keep moving because the ground on which u now stand is shallow
    Stop being a political buffoon

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  • Question to govt authorities
    How long is it going to take for a release of findings on what cause the mother and son fiery death in Bank Hall
    One would belive that since PM Mia is minister in charge of that constituency a need of concern on behalf of her constituients would be heard uttered from her mouth

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  • @ Mariposa

    Which agency is responsible for investigating fires? Is it the fire service or the police?

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  • I would guess that both agencies would have to work hand in hand in gathering information before giving conclusive information to the public
    The fire that took the lives of the mother and son happened almost six weeks ago
    Now in occurrence such as these a preliminary report is issued within days after the fire
    Almost six weeks later and not a word
    My suspicion mind begs fir answers
    Why not?

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  • “Now in occurrence such as these a preliminary report is issued within days after the fire..”

    You should desist from attempting to mislead this forum with your political motivated nonsense.

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  • “Police said that passenger attempted to rob Alexander, but shot him in the right hand and the bullet lodged in his abdomen.

    Alexander underwent emergency surgery and is recovering at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital.”

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @David August 7, 2019 8:30 AM “On a more pertinent note the minister of education was quoted in the news that the MOE has done a study and the data shows that families are being severely impacted by the high incidents of murder in Barbados.

    And the sun rises in the morning.

    Of course a child will be deeply traumatised if a parent, stepparent, grandparent, godparent or whoever is raising the child dies. This trauma will occur even if the death is natural and expected. When it is violent and unexpected the child is hurt even more.

    We adults can “lose it” if we lose a job, lose a spouse etc. yet we seem to feel that a child can lose a parent or parent figure and go on smoothly as though nothing has happened.

    Every child and his or her classmates should be offered counselling when a parent dies. And parents include all those people mentioned who are not biological parents, but who have spent significant time parenting the child.

    It is the Ministry’s job to be aware every time a parent or parent figure dies, and it is the Ministry’s job to immediately offer counselling to the child, the classmates, and to the bereaved parent.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Mariposa August 7, 2019 8:48 AM “You guys are funny here these yardfowls have attacked me as ignorant or i should know that the funeral Home is contracted by govt to pick up dead bodies.”

    Two Sons has been picking up dead bodies and taking them to the morgue, for years, perhaps for decades., during BLP administrations and during DLP administrations. It is not an easy nor pleasant job, so I would guess that there are not many people competing for the contract. I am surprised that know-everything Mariposa claims not to know this, and did not think to ask one of her DLP people before posting nonsense, and trying to politisize a family’s grief.

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  • Taking a read of Todays paper where a notable was found dead in the home.
    The police did not hesitate to release a statement stating No Foul Play is suspected
    Yes soon after the police authorites inspected the body
    Two days ago a young womans body was found at the water edge
    No statement of what could be the cause of death has been issued
    Those who wish to belive that suspucious deaths need a long investigation before police can issue a statement to cause are closed minded yardfowls as well as intellectual midgets
    Many times over in other countries when a body is discovered within hours of the death a statement is issued to cause
    Today’s statement by the police in reference to the man found dead in his home bodes well to say that police along with medical personnel can determined cause of death

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  • To debunk your nonsense the police in its first statement indicated that it was an unnatural death.

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  • How many days did it take for police to issue a statement of No foul play
    The story of which i speak broke on the morning of August 7th and a statement was issued within hours of the body being discovered

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  • The blogmaster has highlighted relevant parts of the article in red.

    Guyanese woman found dead on beach in Barbados

    Friends of Annastacia Natasha Angel standing around in disbelief. The woman being attended to by police was overcome with grief. (Picture by Carlos Atwell)

    The body of a Guyanese woman was found along the beach at Hastings, Christ Church, Barbados, according to a report in today’s Barbados Nation.

    The woman has been identified as 27-year-old Annastacia Natasha Angel, of nearby St Matthias Road.

    According to the Barbados Nation, the woman was seen lying at the edge of the water on Grand Kadooment day and was subsequently pulled ashore. A call was made to police.

    Angel’s body was close to the path to the beach, nearly opposite St Matthias Road, behind the guest houses next to Soco Hotel.

    A man said to be her boyfriend and some friends were at the scene yesterday, Barbados Nation has reported.

    Police in Barbados are treating the incident as unnatural, and anyone with any information pertaining to the discovery is asked to contact Hastings Police Station at 430-7612, CID at 430-7189 or any police station.

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  • “Today’s statement by the police in reference to the man found dead in his home bodes well to say that police along with medical personnel can determined cause of death.”

    Hmmmmm……….

    Leh me see if I kud get dis right.”

    A man was found dead in his home. The doctor examined the body. Police asked the doctor if he DETERMINED the cause of death, to which he replied, “Yes, no foul play is suspected.”

    So, “the police did not hesitate to release a statement stating No Foul Play is suspected.”

    Now, if by issuing a statement that “no foul play is suspected,” means the police along with medical personnel DETERMINED the cause of death” ……….

    …….. this means “no foul play is suspected” can be recorded in the medical journals as a CAUSE of DEATH.

    Perhaps this buffoon was looking in a mirror when she wrote “closed minded yardfowls as well as intellectual midgets.”

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  • David BU

    If you or I had posted that shiite, this forum would have been reminded that you’re a buffoon, silly man, dumb, idiot and should get a brain, while I would have been described as an appallingly ignorant bookkeeper that learnt by rote.

    Just goes to show, it’s not about WHAT was written…….. it’s about WHO wrote it.

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  • Yes! in a preliminary investigation forensic and medical examinations can be and are done at the scene of a crime which gives insight as to manner of death
    Now u can hmmm and haw all u want
    It has been done
    Well then again this is Barbados and every thing runs on molasses time
    Shoo fly dont bother me

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  • The police issuing a statement that “NO FOUL PLAY IS SUSPECTED,” DOES NOT MEAN the CAUSE of death has been DETERMINED.

    The actual cause of death can ONLY be determined by FORENSIC EXAMINATION (autopsy).

    The police would issue such a “preliminary” statement, because the doctor that officially pronounced the individual dead, would have examined the body and having not found any signs of violence or any other evidence that would otherwise suggest the death was unnatural….. would reason the death was natural or no foul play was suspected.

    The body would be transported to the morgue and the pathologist would perform an autopsy on one of the days designated for such an examination. I’m sure we are all familiar with Bajans saying “Duh duz cut the bodies pun a Chuesduhs or T’ursduhs.”

    Conversely, if the death appeared to be unnatural, police would normally issue a statement stating “Foul play is suspected.”

    If an individual was found dead and police issued a statement to that effect, going by Mariposa’s logic, the cause of death would have been DETERMINED to be as a result of “foul play is suspected.”

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  • “Yes! in a preliminary investigation forensic and medical examinations can be and are done at the scene of a crime which gives insight as to manner of death…..”

    Even though thou hast changed thy name a hundred-fold, thine ignorance hath no boundaries.

    You have CHANGED your LINE of ARGUMENT.

    Forensic and medical examinations are NOT “done at the scene of a crime.”

    The job of forensic scenes of crime technicians is to examine the crime scene for the purpose of gathering and preserving evidence, establishing a chain of custody and delivering for forensic testing, while the purpose of the doctor is to officially pronounce the victim dead…….. and NOT determining the cause of death,

    That’s the job for a pathologist, who would determine the actual cause of death, based on the autopsy and information provided by the forensic scenes of crime techs.

    Supposed a body of a man was found with gunshot or stab wounds, you would never hear the investigators or doctors make a definitive statement, at the scene, that the victim died as a result of those wounds or give an “insight as to the manner of death.” That’s sensationalism for the news media headlines.

    Police would normally say, for example, they found the body of an unidentified male with what APPEARS to be gunshot wounds. At the crime scene and in the absence of a forensic examination, detectives would not know if the victim was already dead before receiving the gun shot. The victim could have been poisoned and shot after he/she died.

    It’s similar to police searching a suspect and finding a quantity of weed in his possession. The police would say they found a vegetable matter, which they SUSPECT to be cannabis. Although a policeman may know what weed looks or smells like, he is not qualified to determine if the vegetable matter is indeed weed and that’s why a test must be undertaken and the matter weighed.

    You should stick to what you’re good at………. political yard-fowlism.

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  • A British mother was murdered in Barbados after being doused in a flammable liquid and set on fire as she lay in her bed, police say.
    Natalie Crichlow, 44, was said to be visiting friends and family on the island when she was viciously attacked on July 28.

    She was taken to hospital with severe burns, where she died from her injuries on August 6.
    Ms Crichlow, a mother of three, was well known in the LGBT community.
    She had previously survived two strokes and two bouts of cancer.
    Barbados media outlet Stabroek News reported that police were on the hunt for a man who “barged into a house, choked a woman, doused her with a flammable substance and then set the house on fire”.

    They said the 44-year-old was lying in bed on the afternoon of August 6 at her brother’s home in Sargeant’s Village, Christ Church, when an intruder allegedly entered her bedroom and began choking her.

    The intruder then allegedly threw a flammable liquid on her, lit the house on fire and fled the scene.
    Police pulled Ms Crichlow from the burning house.
    She was transported to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital with burns to more than 75 per cent of her body.

    Public relations officer Acting Inspector Rodney Inniss said police were informed of the incident at around 1:55 pm and the woman was taken to hospital.
    A GoFundMe has now been set up to raise money to bring the body of Ms Crichlow, otherwise known as Karma, back to the UK.

    On the page, her niece Ashley Best said: “Many people may be aware that we lost a beautiful soul Natalie Crichlow aka Karma, on 06/08/19. At present, an investigation into her murder is being held in Barbados. ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀
    “Natalie left behind her eldest daughter and two sons who desperately want to bring her home to say goodbye and lay her to rest peacefully. The outgoing, bubbly and kind Natalie was greatly loved and well thought of throughout many communities, all of which this loss has come as a massive shock to.

    “Please help us donate towards costs which will cover repatriation to the UK as her body is still in Barbados with only a few family members and friends around her. Any donation large or small will help in bringing peace to the family and our beloved Natalie who we all miss dearly.”⠀⠀⠀
    A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “Our staff are supporting the family of a British woman following her death in Barbados, and are in contact with the Barbados police force.”
    Scotland Yard has been contacted for comment. (quote)

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  • @ Hal,

    This story took sometime to reach the BBC. It has been alleged from the niece of the departed that “…..the Royal Barbados Police Force is not treating the death as a murder investigation….”

    Barbados has almost double the homicide rate of the USA. We have a serious problem with the under reporting of crime in Barbados.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49347946

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  • @TLSN

    Barbados police are the best in the world. Barbados is in meltdown. There will be further social problems. Sad about this young woman. May she ret in peace.

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  • @ Hal,
    Have you ever seen that classic British horror film – The Wicker Man – starring the legendary Christopher Lee? Where a special branch officer is dispatched from the UK to investigate the murder of a young girl from a neighbouring fictional island called “Summerisle”.

    On his arrival he is met with hostility by the local community who blocks him from performing his duties and is shocked with the depravity of the islanders. Where everything goes.

    It is difficult as an outsider to assess what is happening in Barbados. There seems to be a disconnect with our politicians concerning our extremely high homicide rate.

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  • @TLSN

    No, I have not, but I understand the sentiment. When on the few occasions I criticise Barbadian journalism, the brain dead comes out of the woodwork to criticise me.
    Here is a classic example of what I mean: someone sadly dies IN BARBADOS, yet one of our leading publications is re-writing a story from a UK publication about that incident.
    In other words, UK publications (3000 miles away) are informing he public about something that takes place in Barbados. Where s professional pride?
    In the UK, the editor, news editor and chef reporter would all be disciplined for this. A principle of Anglo-Saxon journalism is that you must cover your own patch. They get away with it because the readers do not demand more.

    Read the following from Barbados Today:

    Detectives remained tight-lipped tonight on their investigations after a woman who was strangled, doused with a flammable liquid and set alight, is said to have died in hospital.
    British media reported that her family has launched a GoFundMe account for financial help to return her body to the United Kingdom.
    Family members said that Natalie Crichlow died on August 6, after suffering 75 per cent burns to her body when an intruder broke into her home at Bartlett’s Tenantry, Christ Church, on July 28, her family said. The assailant also set the house on fire.
    Crichlow, 40, a mother of three who was born in Luton, Bedfordshire, about 30 miles (50 km) northwest of London, had been here caring for her disabled brother following the deaths of her mother and uncle.
    Shocked family members said Crichlow twice survived cancer twice and two strokes in the past decade, media reports quoted them as saying.
    The victim’s niece, Ashley Best, was quoted by Sky News as saying: “The intruder broke into the house, then strangled her and then set her alight.
    “I do not understand why it happened and we are all in a state of shock. She went into the hospital and died of her injuries.
    “For someone who had battled through so much to just be taken in this way and lose their life is just beyond understanding.”
    On the GoFundMe page, Best said that her aunt left behind a daughter and two sons who desperately want “to bring her home to say goodbye and lay her to rest peacefully”.
    Best described Crichlow as an outgoing, bubbly and kind person who was greatly loved and well thought of throughout many communities, to all of which the loss has come as a massive shock.
    Crichlow’s niece wrote: “Please help us donate towards costs which will cover repatriation to the UK as her body is still in Barbados with only a few family members and friends around her.
    “Any donation large or small will help in bringing peace to the family and our beloved Natalie who we all miss dearly.”
    Deputy Police Commissioner Erwin Boyce stated that investigations are at a sensitive stage and an update will be provided soon. (Quote)

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  • A hard working family man is rob and killed for a friggin gold chain
    The social eniviroment of barbados would continue to deteroriate until this govt gets the message of barbados is more than an economy it is also a society
    A message that should resonate into the thick skulls of members of parliament

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  • Nothing in Bert gives hope to barbadians
    Bert is a selfish one-sided plan that disrupts disturbs and like cancer eventually destroy the social fabric of a nation
    This govt can pat self on the back all it cares to about Reserves
    How ever the end result of a nation and its people having to face a destroyed social enviroment littered with violence and high poverty would tell a daunting tale of a country going from peaceful to fear and chaos

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