Piping Sewage to the Sea a Clear and Present Danger

… Abrahams said that the outfall extends 815 metres (2,700 feet) offshore with two distinct high density polyethylene lines (HDPE), which was installed by Ward Drilling Inc., with sub–contractor Marenco Marine Ltd. One 8-inch and one 12-inch lines have been installed, with both of them capable of taking the entire flow from the plant individually…. Minister of Energy and Water Resources, Wilfred Abrahams

A recent discussion on another blog explained the threat to the environment of piping sewerage into the sea. Successive governments in their wisdom never allocated the resources to implement a tertiary treatment process as part of a relevant waste management system.  An irony for the blogmaster is that the Cabinet now includes a Minister of the Blue Economy, another for the Environment and let us not forget Water Resources.

The following comments (in two parts) were shared by Dr. Robert Lucas, PH.D., CFS,  Biotechnologist with the BU family in response to the question – what is the significance of a build up of phosphates and nitrates at the point of discharge in causing an algae bloom?

– David, Blogmaster


Comment #1

It is called eutrophication and is currently occurring off the south coast of Barbados where the escaping sewerage is being pumped into the sea. At the point of discharge there is a build up of phosphates and nitrates which cause an algae bloom that results in depletion of the oxygen content of the seawater. This creates a de facto desert in the sea. Halophilic anaerobic microorganisms predominate.

 


Comment #2

Nitrogen and phosphates occur in the foods humans ingest, Unused nitrates and phosphates are excreted into faecal matter. Nitrates and phosphates are soluble and are therefore easily dissolved in water. Nitrates and phosphates are essential elements required for microbial growth (note phosphates and nitrates are present as salts of potassium and sodium, i.e. all the major elements required for plant growth are present).

Also present in sea water are trace elements such as magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, sulphur, iron, zinc and copper. In other words you have an ideal medium for plant growth. There is therefore an algal bloom which depletes the oxygen content of the area where the sewerage discharge occurs. That is at the end of the pipeline from which the discharge occurs and as far as the diffused elements reach by a process of osmosis. This area is a virtual desert, deficient in all plant and animal life (biota). Remember bacteria are actually members of the plant family,

Also present will be unicellular parasites (protozoa) which can cause amoebic dysentery (the lack of oxygen kills the non-cyst stage). The cysts stage constitute what are called survival bodies and ingesting such contaminated water results in illness.note anaerobic halophilic  (salt tolerant) microbes are predominant in the affected area.

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  • @ john2 July 20, 2019 9:48 AM
    “Highly recommended by who?
    In a country that is scratching its ass economically and who population is complaining that they are over taxed (as long as thing are working properly) tertiary treatment can/should wait.”
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    “Highly recommended” by the environmentally-concerned scuba divers and the coastal zone management technocrats who are rather concerned about the deteriorating state of the island’s coral reefs.

    Isn’t your argument based on the classic case of the dog chasing its own tail while spinning tot in mud (or in this case, shit)?

    How can a government talk about a multi-billion dollar investment called the Hotel Corridor while overlooking the pumping billions of gallons of dangerous waste into the sea to destroy the very coral reefs responsible for the creation of the sandy beaches which are the main attraction to the same tourists who would be staying in the same hotels and visiting the island on a shoestring budget?

    Why cut off your nose (long-term survival in the tourism business) to spite your cost-cutting fiscal face?

    Treating the human-generated waste to the tertiary level and returning to it to the land is the much preferred method and a clear demonstration of the country’s commitment to long-haul environmental sustainability while displaying the badge of achievement marked with the “3 Rs”.

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  • @ John2 July 20, 2019 10:06 AM
    “The highly educated people are the ones who did the studies before and made the final decision to dump the shit into the sea. They would have taken in to consideration all the options and variables.”
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    Are these “the same highly educated people” who could not maintain the same simple (primary) sewerage system for the past 15 or so years?

    Is this the same group of technocrats who can’t even fix the leakage of nearly 50% of the potable pumped from the country’s aquifers?

    The same way the country would be importing nurses to fill a void in the public health services so too would proper engineers be enlisted from overseas to man the country’s tertiary sewerage system which should been done in the first place thereby avoiding the recent south coast shitty fiasco.

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  • Only jac.asss would belive this govt have aby serious intentions of expanding the Hotel corridor
    The mere mention of govt words stems from not having a growth plan in order to present to the people
    Therfore using political theatrics is better than offering nothing
    One can bet than in five years the downward spiral of Barbados economic would continue and the creating more poverty

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  • Here is a govt than bans plastic
    But had no alternative for the people
    Heard one person expressing openly that finding metal forks to replace the plastic forks was all but like finding a needle in a haystack

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 10;32 & 10 :46 AM

    Very good points. At least you are taking both the short term downsides and the long term downsides into the equation . These are the external costs that some project analysts tend to overlook.

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  • @Vincent

    Your comment emphasizes the importance of leadership and vision.

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  • Miller

    I really spinning top in mud responding to you. You are talking from ignorance, using alternate facts and simply talking bare shite!

    Did you read the article submitted by David that was written by Hugh Sealy? If you didn’t then you need to go back to it.

    “Are these “the same highly educated people” who could not maintain the same simple (primary) sewerage system for the past 15 or so years?Are these “the same highly educated people” who could not maintain the same simple (primary) sewerage system for the past 15 or so years?
    Is this the same group of technocrats who can’t even fix the leakage of nearly 50% of the potable pumped from the country’s aquifers?”

    You seem to be trying to blame the BWA for the building of the sewage treatment plants. this is NOT so.. the technocrats came from ENVIROMENT and HEALTH and studies we don’t by outside technocrats even for the temporary outfall.

    On many occasions I have stated that I am against the upgrading AT THIS TIME because IMO it would be a drain on our economic resources that can be spent in other areas where there is a greater need.
    you have gone talking shit about a hotel corridor to justify the upgrading to tertiary treatment?

    When will this hotel corridor be completed? Or even when will it be halfway completed?

    Didn’t you see my reply to David that the room for expansion to upgrade to tertiary treatment was GOOD PLANNING?,

    I am not against tertiary treatment, I just do not see it as necessary at this time if the two sewerage systems continue to work properly (as they were doing before the southcoast breach).

    The hotel corridor is a long term plan and I don’t know what our economic conditions will be when it is completed.
    Kudos to the technocrats that plan and built the sewage treatment plant that their made provision to upgrade to tertiary treatment.

    I put it to you that some enviromential concerned scuba divers may be CONCERNED about the sewage going into the sea.
    BUT if any of them are aware of the conditions around the coast before, none of them would be as concerned today. if thing had continues as was they would have be no area on the south coast to scuba dive or even take a sea bath.

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  • “Highly recommended” by the environmentally-concerned scuba divers and the coastal zone management technocrats who are rather concerned about the deteriorating state of the island’s coral reefs.”

    That is a false statement!

    With the introduction of the sewage plants there has be an improvement in the deterioration of the coral reefs, the near shore water quality and near shore life (plants and animals)

    So either you are lying or those “costal zone technocrats” don’t knot what the hell they are talking about !

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  • Miller

    First read who was really responsible for planning an building the south coast plant

    Then take a look at the credentials of one on the “technocrats” that oversee the building.
    These are/were some of the biggest brains in Barbados and knew what they were doing.

    These are the technocrats that you are trying to pull down when you try to blame the falsely blame the BWA for buldinmg the plant.

    These are some of the biggest environmental brains in the country and not just concerned scuba divers (who can be any person in society) and don’t know a fossil from a roll of shit at the bottom of the sea.

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  • @ john2 July 20, 2019 3:33 PM
    “These are the technocrats that you are trying to pull down when you try to blame the falsely blame the BWA for buldinmg the plant.”

    I am blaming the management (both political and executive) of the BWA for the woeful lack of maintenance- both routine and preventative (planned)- over the time period it was tasked with the responsibility of operating the sewerage plants.

    The same shit happens at the NHC and the Transport Board.

    Incompetence of the highest order underwritten by stark naked politcal interference.

    Do you recall when the then acting GM of the same BWA (a so-called qualified technocrat) sought to put the blame for the sewage seepage in the Worthing area on members of the public vandalizing the manhole covers?

    What was he thinking then when every Tom Dickey and Hariette knew that the sewage lines were blocked up?

    Maybe he had too much shit swimming around in his technical cranium.

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  • @ John2 July 20, 2019 10:06 AM
    “The highly educated people are the ones who did the studies before and made the final decision to dump the shit into the sea. They would have taken in to consideration all the options and variables.”
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    Are these “the same highly educated people” who could not maintain the same simple (primary) sewerage system for the past 15 or so years?

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    Miller
    For the last time …..NO…… the technocrats that were responsible for the studies and making the final decision to dump the shit into the sea ARE NOT the technocrats from BWA.

    Feel free to blame BWA for whatever you want but you are going off on a tangent. BWA did not designed the sewage plant and did not make the decision to dump the shit in the sea!

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  • @ john2 July 20, 2019 10:34 PM

    Can’t you detect a thread of sarcasm when the catch-all phrase “highly educated people” (which you also adopted) is used?

    We are referring to a mind-set which ‘dogs’ that group of people entrusted with the responsibility of making rational decisions regarding the upkeep of the public hygiene and health of Barbados.

    Of course it its well known (and previously debated often on BU) that the technocrats and decision-makers responsible for the design and construction of the South Coast sewerage system fell under the ambit of the Ministry of Health as a “special project” and not under the BWA, as it then configured.

    Mr. Hugh Sealy can attest or David the blogmaster can tag the thread in which the south coast sewage spill topic was debated during 2017 and 2018.

    Both local and foreign consultants and contractors were tasked with the responsibility of bringing on stream that much controversy-plagued project; not the staff of the BWA who took on the onus of operating and maintaining the system.

    What cannot be gainsaid is that the decision to dump the partially-treated sewage in the sea was a rather short-sighted event based more on financial factors (not getting into too much debt at the time or some other ‘’ram-goat bring game cock and bull political story’) rather than longer-term environmental considerations even in the face of the concerns arising from the Rio Earth Summit.

    That’s what happens when politicians and their bureaucratic sycophants decide to buy a three-foot horse but ends up with a five-foot shitty jackass on their hands.

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  • “What cannot be gainsaid is that the decision to dump the partially-treated sewage in the sea was a rather short-sighted event based more on financial factors (not getting into too much debt at the time or some other ‘’ram-goat bring game cock and bull political story’) rather than longer-term environmental considerations even in the face of the concerns arising from the Rio Earth Summit.
    That’s what happens when politicians and their bureaucratic sycophants decide to buy a three-foot horse but ends up with a five-foot shitty jackass on their hands.”

    Miller

    I totally disagree with you.

    Enviromentocrats (those environmental experts) both local and overseas are who done the studies and came to the conclusion to dump the shit in the sea.

    Financial considerations must be taken in any project of this magnitude. Barbados could not afford to pay and sought loan from IDB. IDB also would have been privy to the studies and the different level of treatment to consider and would have environmental experts to depend on for advice.

    Why do you think the IDB would finance the primary treatment plant ONLY???

    IDB loan was an investment. Do you think the IDB would waste money on something that not necessary, like you want the Barbados government to do and burden us more heavily when the money can be spent else where?

    by the way did you read what Hants submitted?

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  • For approx. 40yrs Carlisle Bay was being “polluted” from the end over by the Harbour by the effluent from the Bridgetown Sewage Treatment Plant (secondary).
    For nearly 20 of those years it was also being “polluted” from the other end at Needham Point by the effluent from the South Coast Treatment Plant (primary)

    Where is the evidence of Carlisle Bay becoming polluted?

    Note also, that area is also one on the most heavily traffic marine area in Barbados that would also put a strain on the marine ecosystem.

    Where is the pollution????

    I challenge you detractors to bring your evidence increase of pollution and decrease of the ecosystem in Carlisle Bay over the last 20 -40 years.

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  • @ john2 July 21, 2019 10:42 AM
    “Enviromentocrats (those environmental experts) both local and overseas are who done the studies and came to the conclusion to dump the shit in the sea.”
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    We admire your tenacity to hold onto such an anti-environmental position stronger than a shagga on a rock face in the north sea off St. Lucy to make Donald Trump the global warming denier flash a smile with ivory implants.

    So how did the shit get to overflow onto the streets of Worthing and in the swamp turning the area into a veritable pit toilet?

    Was the outfall vandalized by roaming sharks and clogged with an overabundance of sea urchins like lobsters, sea-crabs, sea-eggs and cobblers feeding from the mouth of the pipeline?

    There you go comparing a big-able industrial country with flowing rivers to the little totally tourism-dependent Barbados whose only natural resource is its beaches!

    Don’t you think that the same way the sargassum seaweed from hundred of miles away could end up on the beaches scarring away the tourists, don’t you think that shit (floating jobby) dumped a few hundred metres off the island could find itself back home to cause a similar socio-economic stink?

    It would be most informative, coming from an expert like you, to find out if Bermuda and Bahamas also dump their sewage off shore

    How about letting the cruise ships dump their waste off the island for a forex fee?
    After all it can do no harm to marine creatures or the coral reefs which are in pristine condition as they were upon the arrival of Portuguese and Olive Blossom.

    If the sea is such an absorbing take-in-any human crap dumpsite how about moving the derelict vehicles and their disused tyres off the land to make great homes for the marine creatures living cheek by jowl in Carlisle Bay?

    Where have all the sprats gone! A sure sign of a collapsing marine life. Where there is no small fish to feed on there will be no big fish for humans to feed on.

    “This is my island in the sun
    Where my people have toiled since time begun
    I may sail on many a sea
    Her shores will always be home to me

    I see woman on bended knee
    Cutting cane for her family
    I see man at the waterside
    Casting nets at the surging tide

    Oh, island in the sun
    Willed to me by my father’s hand
    All my days I will sing in praise
    Of your forest, waters,
    Your shining sand

    As morning breaks
    The heaven on high
    I lift my heavy load to the sky
    Sun comes down with a burning glow
    Mingles my sweat with the earth below

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  • @ Miller

    Why are you debating with @john2?

    It is obvious he or she has shit for brains.

    If part of the BLP Government or Bureaucracy no wonder the island is a failed state with plenty of dead weights.

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  • Miller

    How did the shit get in the streets?

    You have already given the answer to that question – the lack of maintenance.
    Hugh Sealy also broke down what happened with the break down of the process and the cause it had down stream.

    Look!!!!
    If the South coast plant was a tertiary treatment plant and you had the same lack of maintenance/ break of equipment (as mentioned by H. Sealy, you may not have had the sewage leak in the streets OR that leak may just have been delayed.

    Why?
    Bacause with the primary process was so much frigged up they would have been absolutely NO TERTARY PROCESS.
    You cannot have tertiary treatment without first primary and the secondary! We were having NO primary treatmeant – only bypass.

    They may have been very limited secondary processing but there would have been a lot of clogging of and maybe break down of equipment at this phase.

    Eventually everything would have had to be sent to the outfall as was being done and we know the results.
    Deside that we would probably also have to put up was the type of odour that used to come from the Bridgetown plant when it has a problem.

    I am not against tertiary treatment ( I keep saying that).

    If you are so concerned about the shit in the sea being an environmental problem then I suggest you and the other of you view can arrange with government to finance the tertiary treatment plant.

    IMO at this time it would be a waste of my and other tax payer money to finance a tertiary plant.

    While you are at it there were plans for over forty years to build a plant on the west coast – you can also finance that one.

    You can all finance the hooking up of all the building in Barbados to a sewerage system, especially in the heavily populated areas, because the shit going into the ground should be a threat to our drinking water supply, plant with long etc , as it is with the marine environment. Or don’t you care about them?

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  • What I am try to point out is that we finance thing when we can.

    There are plans for the west coast but we cannot yet finance it. it is not critical so they have put it off use the money in other areas.

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  • @ john2 July 21, 2019 1:21 PM
    “While you are at it there were plans for over forty years to build a plant on the west coast – you can also finance that one.
    You can all finance the hooking up of all the building in Barbados to a sewerage system, especially in the heavily populated areas, because the shit going into the ground should be a threat to our drinking water supply, plant with long etc , as it is with the marine environment. Or don’t you care about them?”
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    We cannot fault you for your now revised path to environmental enlightenment.

    But if a country currently experiencing financial nightmares can think of finding $3 billion to finance the construction of a hotel corridor right along the same south, south-west coast with an unreliable and broken secondary sewerage system to ‘service’ it, why can’t its leaders think 30 years into the future where the average traveler would be most environmentally-conscious beach lover?

    The question to be asked is why make the same mistake of being penny wise and pound foolish as clearly demonstrated by the national and international embarrassment caused by the south coast sewerage fiasco?

    Isn’t it possible that the amount of money recently spent in trying to correct the operational management ‘wrongs’ of both sewerage systems in order to save the country’s sole breadwinner from financial starvation and its international image as an upscale safe destination for sun lovers could have been avoided by visionary planning, ‘proactive’ decision-making and a schedule of proper maintenance, a skill acquired by the 7th standard educated men and women of 50 years ago?

    Why not bite the financial bullet up front and make the west coast a fully-fledged tertiary plant unless you would prefer to put an outfall a few metres off the Sandy Lane hotel to turn its beach and maritime surroundings into a South Coast one-star shite bucket hotel?

    The miller supports the position that no modern housing development or upgrades should be approved unless environmentally-sound human waste disposal facilities and practices are put in place to avoid the further contamination of the country’s underground water network which eventually find their way to polluting the coral reefs with their millions of litres of bleach and other household cleaning chemicals acting as liquid toxic soaps.

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  • Miller

    You are coming with more and more shit.

    Who said the “hotel corridor” is going to be finance by government?
    I put it to you that if it going to be finance by government then it will be waiting just as long as the west coast plant.

    Miller Miller Miller
    You seem to be an educated person but yet you allow yourself to spew foolishness about government financing a $3B hotel corridor.

    Miller, please man, please use your head and stop embarrassing youself.
    The $3 billion would not be finance by government (the tax payers) but by private investors like Butch at Sandals, Maloney at Hyatts, those at Blue horizon , those at four seasons etc!

    It is proven that the amount of money spent to correct the problems at both sewerage systems could have been avoided IF THAT MONEY WAS SPENT UP FRONT ON A PROPER MAINTENANCE/PREVENTATIVE MATENANCE PROGRAM.
    Spending that money up front would have also have stop you from spewing so much shite. Your ass would now be as quiets as you were before the south coast sewer leak (even though the shit would have still have been being pumped off into Needham Point)!

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  • Miller

    It is not 100% necessary to hook up all hotels in that corridor to the sewage treatment plants.
    Hook them up as an emergency precaution….yes!

    But hotels can also be built with their little sewage treatment/package plants and reuse the effluent for toilet flushing and limited irrigation.

    I am not 100% sure but I think Sandy lane may have its own plant and Sam Lords might have had one at some point.

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  • @ John2 July 21, 2019 2:53 PM
    “Miller, please man, please use your head and stop embarrassing youself.
    The $3 billion would not be finance by government (the tax payers) but by private investors like Butch at Sandals, Maloney at Hyatts, those at Blue horizon , those at four seasons etc!”
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    Forget about the ad hominems as bait to catch red herrings!

    Let’s talk ‘real’ money aka finance?

    Of course with the country so broke financially and unable to pay its creditors cannot find even $3 million to invest in garbage trucks or buses far less $3 billion in a concrete strip of depravity.

    Where would the likes of Maloney get the money from to finance the construction of some imaginary Hyatt for US$ 100 million if not from the same source he used to pay for the construction of Coverley, Valerie and the Grotto?

    Are you aware that every investment dollar (capex) has about an 80% forex component?

    If the money is coming from foreign investors like Butch of Paradise disaster with loads of ‘suspect’ dosh to risk in a sunset industry in Barbados, well that’s fine.

    But you might be just right about Maloney with his millions stashed away in foreign accounts which even the Panama-man papers cannot reveal to attract the attention of the Barbados Central Bank when some Bajans have been waiting years to have simple honest foreign currency-holding accounts approved.

    Here is the deal as a peace offering to put your intellectual carcass to rest:
    Get the Four Seasons project off its death bed by breathing a new lease of life into it and then the hapless government can talk about some $3 billion hotel corridor.

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  • @John 2

    What about redundancy: contingency?

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  • Miller

    The West Coast plant may very well turn out to be a tertiary plant. But as of now we cannot to build or borrow to build it so all the negative environmental impact, cause not have sewage treatment in that area, will have to continue a lot longer.

    We cannot bite the financial bullet to please all environmentalists ! That would be not only look for finance to build but also to maintain 3 tertiary plants.

    We cannot financial afford one!

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  • David

    For what? I am not with you there – may have moved on and you are taking me back .

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  • Miller

    There you go again.

    Forget I use Maloney or Butch names. I was just trying to point that the $3B would be coming from private investors instead of government.

    Thruth is, its a possibility that both of them never invest a cent in that corridor.

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  • @ john2 July 21, 2019 3:28 PM
    “We cannot bite the financial bullet to please all environmentalists ! That would be not only look for finance to build but also to maintain 3 tertiary plants.
    We cannot financial afford one!”
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    Area you aware that most reputable above-board international lending institutions have a set of lending criteria some of which must meet some well-recognized environmentally-sound benchmarks before approval?

    So let Barbados keeping swimming in its own shit and see if Trump’s description of sh*thole doesn’t become another sobriquet for Bim.

    You just cannot continue to promote Barbados as some tropical paradise demanding millions of dollars for a lot and then be stupidly unwilling to invest in infrastructure to protect the health and safety of both the guests and the natives engaged to fulfill their dreams.

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  • Miller

    We cannot demand money from any external source unless it is money owed to us.
    You argument can be put to one of the same agencies that you are referring to – IDB – yet they saw it feasible to only finance the primary treatment as apposed to tertiary or even secondary treatment.

    There are sewage spills or sewer overflow in the USA on a daily basis.

    You can keep on with your demands for financing for the plant anyhow.

    Any loans to finance your upgrade will cause a further increase in taxation. Increase taxation will cost the economy to contract more. The economy contracting more will keep us in the financial shit hole for much longer than is necessary.

    You are really making me waste my time.

    We invest in what is necessary when the economy is in contraction
    We can afford to invest in other things (like further environmental protection) when the economy is growing and we have a way out of the financial shite hole.

    What about this that you cannot understand?

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  • @ john2 July 21, 2019 4:25 PM
    “We invest in what is necessary when the economy is in contraction
    We can afford to invest in other things (like further environmental protection) when the economy is growing and we have a way out of the financial shite hole.”
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    You cannot find the money to keep your house clean and the toilet in good working condition in order to keep your foreign-currency customers satisfied but you have the money to import luxury vehicles- some of them duty and tax free to con men like the same Mal-money man- to drive through the same shite flowing on the make-over cart roads while enjoying the biggest big-mout drinks and imported stale water in bottles because you do not trust the one piped by the BWA from your pristine aquifers not yet fully contaminated by your broken secondary sewerage system.

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  • @John 2

    You do not understand the importance of contingency planning in an area that is planned for heavy concentration of sewage output in a water scare country where tertiary waste treatment would augment water supply in a water scare country. How long before external pressure force Barbados to stop dumping shit in the ocean? Anyway we are philosophical in different plains, we have already agreed to disagree. Carry on with Miller who is doing an excellent job to expose your narrow position.

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  • I finish with you and your shite

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  • @John 2
    You do not understand the importance of contingency planning in an area that is planned for heavy concentration of sewage output in a water scare country where tertiary waste treatment would augment water supply in a water scare country. How long before external pressure force Barbados to stop dumping shit in the ocean? Anyway we are philosophical in different plains, we have already agreed to disagree. Carry on with Miller who is doing an excellent job to expose your narrow position.(Quote)

    What is this in clear, simple English?

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  • All the transactional argument you bring an enlightened local and international public is moving rapidly to zero tolerance regarding environmental issues, in this case spewing raw shit in the ocean.

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  • All the transactional argument you bring an enlightened local and international public is moving rapidly to zero tolerance regarding environmental issues, in this case spewing raw shit in the ocean.(Quote)

    Is this a foreign language?

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  • To ram home the point. Minister Wilfred Abrahams will have to defend his position that is on public record- Barbados must build a new sewage plant with tertiary level capability. The blogmaster, Miller and a few agreed. Its implementation is inevitable in these times:

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  • David

    For the millionth time (and I do not know how to say this any other way).

    I am not against tertiary sewage treatment!!!! At this point in time I agree with the shit being pumped into the sea.as was being done for the past years without and visual effects or degradation of the marine ecosystem

    The planning to leave space for upgrade to tertiary treatment at both plant was excellent planning by the engineers who designed and built the plants. I say that because I know one day they will move on to tertiary treatment – IMO – NOW IS NOT THAT TIME .

    You don’t move on from pit toilet and bucket bath and cannot afford to pay a water bill
    If you cannot pay the water bill eventually the water will be cut off and you will end back up at where you started but with a toilet that you have to fill to flush.

    Said that to say, as I said before (and came to fore on the south coast) If you cannot financially maintain a tertiary plant what you will end up with is the infrastructure of the plant, a loan to pay back/higher taxes and you will still end up having to pump the raw sewage into the sea.

    I say continue to pump the sewage into the sea now – we cannot financially afford to upgraded at this time.

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  • @ 2 john2 July 21, 2019 5:09 PM
    “I finish with you and your shite…”
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    It’s says a lot when a shitehound puts his tail between his legs and walks away with his head like Tom Dooley.

    Barbados might no longer be a sparkling economic jewel in the English crown or the pearl of the Caribbean (some might even refer to her as a “failed state” or as an ‘old whore with lipstick still on the hook) but she still has a group of people of class concerned about her well-being and future sustainability.

    And the continuing pumping of shite and dangerous man-made chemicals in the sea is not one up for negotiation.

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  • David

    The blog master and miller agree

    The majority of bajans don’t give a shit if a tertiary plant is built or not , so long as the shit is not affecting them directly.
    Also a majority of the will shout about the pain if more taxes is put on them to finance that plant – especially from those that do not live in the sewer areas.

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  • Hal

    Plain and simple, you are an ass! After the old man piece of shit I think that that you are the second biggest piece of shit in this blog and I stay away from both of you and appreciate the return favor.

    You do not know what the hell I understand or not !

    I do understand and appreciate the water from a tertiary plant can be reused
    That why I stated that room for upgrade at both plants was excellent planning.
    I also mentioned that hotels can use package plants and reuse their effluent for toilet flushing and limited (according to the level of treatment) irrigation.

    If/when Barbados is ready to reuse its wastewater then tertiary treatment is the way to go… BUT.,,,that was not what this discussion was about.

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  • HAL

    My mistake. MY opinion of you still stands and no apology from me, just my acknowledgement of my mistake.

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  • http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/240845/bwa-begins-lakes-folly

    I will bet that this non-potable water is effluent from secondary treatment!

    Tell me again, why do we need tertiary treatment at this point in time?
    Oh because we can afford it and it is the most advance stage of sewage treatment that some of us are aware of !

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  • @ David

    Primary treatment is an internationally accepted for of sewage treatment.

    Barbados is pumping the effluent of a primary treatment plant into the sea off of Worthing (not raw sewage as you are trying to mislead the public)

    I don’t expect you to understand the difference

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  • @ John 2

    I know the Bajan hysteria and anger, borne of semi-literacy. But plse read again. I do not deal in excreta.

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  • John 2 science does not know everything about the enviroment and how it interacts with all forms of bacteria
    So this notion that primary effluent would not cause any danger to any forms of life can be catagorized as in-conclusive
    Presently the ocean is producing self eating bacteria a form of bacteria never heard of before
    In my humble opinion any toxic waste pumped into the ocean would become deadly to all forms of life

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  • HAL

    I ALREADY SAW THE MISTAKE

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  • MARIPOSA

    Who said anything about primary effluent would not cause any danger to any form of life…….?

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  • “Presently the ocean is producing self eating bacteria a form of bacteria never heard of before
    In my humble opinion any toxic waste pumped into the ocean would become deadly to all forms of life”

    HUHHHHH!!!???

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  • @ john2 July 22, 2019 7:44 AM
    “@ David
    Primary treatment is an internationally accepted for of sewage treatment.
    Barbados is pumping the effluent of a primary treatment plant into the sea off of Worthing (not raw sewage as you are trying to mislead the public)
    I don’t expect you to understand the difference”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What you are implying here is that the two ‘lead’ comments at the start of this blog made by the respected Dr. Robert Lucas are just a load of unscientific bullsh**t not even worth the number of keystrokes with which they were electronically penned.

    It might be an internationally-accepted form of sewage treatment but is it ‘suited in the long term for a country which is woefully over-dependent on people visiting the island and tanning their pale skins on the sandy white beaches in exchange for foreign money which is the lifeblood of the Bajan consumerism driven economy.

    You might be the type who would find it totally acceptable to leave your ‘skid marks’ for the next user to deal with; but just remember there are others who practise higher standards of hygiene both at the personal and public levels.

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  • Well read carefully before becoming abusive.

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  • HAL

    MR FULLY LITERATE, again plain and simple GO TO HELL (and i am being nice here). I am not perfect or pretend to be even if I read carefully i am one of the semi-literates and my opinion of you still stand.

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  • John2 keep supporting your premise
    One day coming soon u would see the results
    You like Mia belives in the sound bite “not bout here”

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  • Miller

    You can jump to any conclusion that you want. I
    am really tired of you.

    My comment to David was in relation to something he mention about Barbados being forced to stop pumping raw sewage into the sea.

    The only countries that can/will force Barbados to do anything are the bigger/wealthier countries.
    These are the same countries that Set the standards that are internationally accepted.

    PRIMARY SEWAGE TREATMENT IS AN INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED FORM OF SEWAGE TREATMENT.

    Is the above statement wrong?

    You are so freaking wrong about what I think about Dr Lucus.

    Dr Lucus analysis is spot on.
    What you are not understanding is that he is saying that the contamination is mainly localized – that is it is in the immediated vicinity of the outfall (the point where the effluent comes out of the pipes and mixes with the sea water.

    This is a known fact to anyone that study or have any immediate knowledge of marine outfalls.

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  • @ john2 July 22, 2019 10:06 AM

    Well flush, jack! Hope to see you exiting the outfall!

    If you think that the millions of litres of partially processed sewage are going to remain within the confines of the mouth of the outfall then you ought to build yourself a pit toilet and raise bull frogs on sargassum seaweed for a living.

    Now piss off, Johnny klat 2!

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  • You are not fully literate. You read and failed to understand, a sign of semi-literacy. Your anger dismisses you as a serious debater. You are angry because people disagree with what you are saying and you have exhausted your arguments. It is a symptom of learning by rote and the frustrations of toddlers. I am not surprised you are an expert on sewage. Cool down and debate properly, silly man. Stick to ideas.

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  • Miller

    More and ore you are showing ur ignorance.

    CONTAMINATION remains in the direct vicinity of the outfall
    (OR are you now disputing what Dr lucus also said and is equating it to bullshit?)

    The millions of gallons of INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED / “partially processed” is diluted, dispersed and carried away by off shore currents. ( as was stated by Engineer Hugh Sealy) – and is internanational standard for marine outfalls.

    Or are you saying the studies / work don’t by the technocrats from ministry of health, overseas, and technocrats like Hugh sealy is also bullshit?

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  • RE “Presently the ocean is producing self eating bacteria a form of bacteria never heard of before
    In my humble opinion any toxic waste pumped into the ocean would become deadly to all forms of life”

    HUHHHHH!!!???

    HUHHHHHH INDEED!

    THE BOVINE EXCREMENT PERVEYED ON BU BY ANGELA COLE FOR OVER TEN YEARS WILL VERY LIKELY PRODUCE self eating bacteria a form of bacteria never heard of before

    THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE MIRTH INJECTED BY THE BRIMBLERS IN THE BU RUM SHOP

    THIS NEW SPECIES OF BACTERIA MUST BE ARCHIVED IN MICROBIOLOGY JOURNALS AS angela cole species
    MURDAH!

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  • Comment #1
    It is called eutrophication and is currently occurring off the south coast of Barbados where the escaping sewerage is being pumped into the sea. “At the point of discharge” there is a build up of phosphates and nitrates which cause an algae bloom that results in depletion of the oxygen content of the seawater. This creates a de facto desert in the sea. Halophilic anaerobic microorganisms predominate.

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  • Also present in sea water are trace elements such as magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, sulphur, iron, zinc and copper. In other words you have an ideal medium for plant growth. There is therefore an algal bloom which depletes the oxygen content of “the area where the sewerage discharge occurs.” That is at the end of the pipeline from which the discharge occurs and as far as the diffused elements reach by a process of osmosis. This area is a virtual desert, deficient in all plant and animal life (biota). Remember bacteria are actually members of the plant family,

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  • From reading Dr Lucas submission I would assume that he has or is close to the inspection (team) of the marine outfall.

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  • Hal

    Yes I am an expert in sewage that how I know that you are a big piece of shit.

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  • @John 2

    Defend you points and leave the shit at the door. We can disagree and at the same time learn from each other.

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  • MARI – I haven’t forgotten you

    “John2 keep supporting your premise
    One day coming soon u would see the results
    You like Mia belives in the sound bite “not bout here”

    Mari what is the Premise that I am supporting?

    That Barbados is not financially ready for tertiary sewage treatment and the shit should continue being pumped into the sea?

    IF Barbados could run into some wealth (like Guyana), where we knew we can afford to pay all/most of our bill in a few years, I would be all for the up grades of both existing sewage plants and the building of the one on the west coast all tertiary treatment. And not to pleas no tourists either (as some in here is espousing) even if we had to depend on the same tourist after the wealth ran out.

    I don’t know what about my position that you people cannot understand.
    is it because I am using the word shit is upsetting to some of you?

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  • If tomorrow Barbados could financially afford (without putting further economic strain on the population) to upgrade/build and maintain a tertiary treatment on the South Coast, I would be 100% in support of that venture.

    Since it cannot, IMO at this time, they should continue with the INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED STANDARD of primary sewage treatment and discharging of the effluent from this process to the INTERNATIONAL STANDARD OUTFALL as was being done before

    That sound better?

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  • Defend you points and leave the shit at the door. We can disagree and at the same time learn from each other(Quote)

    Brilliant. Good chairmanship.

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  • Yes I am an expert in sewage that how I know that you are a big piece of shit.(Quote)

    The mark of a good professional person is behaviour. That is why all professions have an ethical code. You are showing more about yourself than you intend. Argue the facts and not try to personalise it.
    Sit down, take a sip of water and behave rationally. Don’t let the Bajan Condition show. A good professional person in any developed country would never behave in this way. Grow up.

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  • Is my last submission wrong or so hard to understand?

    Or should we rush now and upgrade/build the tertiary plant in 8 months because the minister said we can find the finance somewhere somehow. And there is a possibility that a few “environmental” tourist may abandon the island.

    Thank god the majority of tourist are no “environmental” an will not react like some of you bajans who we did not hear a word from for about 15 – 20 years when the sewerage system was working without any major problems and the effluent was going into the sea.

    Even when the effluent was coming up in the streets and messing up the place the tourist still came in record numbers.
    I wonder why is that!

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  • Hal

    I am not a professional, not try to be one, never said I was one
    I respect David as the blog master and will leave the shit at the door (although he did not say which shit he was referring to).
    I don’t care on rh about you or your codes or your advice. As far as I am concerned you can take your codes, advice and anything else you have to say to me and stuff it up your outfall.

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  • Again your uncontrollable anger is coming through. You started wrong, and have continued to spew bile. I know you are not professional, I can tell from your behaviour. I grew up in rum shops and know rum shop behaviour, which I dislike.
    You, whoever you are, are showing off your real character. You can take a pig out of the sty, but it remains a pig. Maybe that is why you like sewers. Nom de plumes suit some people, they are like balaclavas on robbers.

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  • @Hal
    Just signed on and you provided me with two good laughs although I suspect you are quite serious.

    “Sit down, take a sip of water and behave rationally. Don’t let the Bajan Condition show.”
    and
    “I know you are not professional, I can tell from your behaviour. I grew up in rum shops and know rum shop behaviour, which I dislike.”

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  • Some people on this blog behave like ole wimmen wid lame foots.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    The boys of BU behaving badly again so I am going straight to bed.

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  • @ The fearmongers who want to waste money, in hard economic times, because the fear the lost of a few American tourist/$s
    or that Uncle Sam and company will soon put pressure on us for treating and dumping our domestic sewage in an INTERNATIONALLY ACCPTED way.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/theres-poop-water-americas-dirtiest-070805467.html

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  • July 22, 2019 12:06 PM

    Again your uncontrollable anger is coming through. You started wrong, and have continued to spew bile. I know you are not professional, I can tell from your behaviour. “I grew up in rum shops” and know rum shop behaviour, which I dislike.
    You, whoever you are, are showing off your real character. “You can take a pig out of the sty, but it remains a pig.” Maybe that is why you like sewers. Nom de plumes suit some people, they are like balaclavas on robbers.

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  • Why can’t this discussion about the treatment of Bajan sewage be framed within the current administration’s policy framework of the “Blue Economy”?

    Aren’t the green economy (land-based) and the blue economy (sea-based) twins from the same womb of policymaking?

    The Bajan government just cannot promote the blue economy as the lifeboat of economic sustainability of a future ‘restructured’ Barbados while there is a ‘planned’ strategy to continue to dump human waste in the sea to turn things real ‘brown’ and the skins of beachcombers red from health-challenging rashes.

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  • @Miller

    The blogmaster mentioned we have three ministers with overlapping responsibilities for waste management. The structure sends a message that this government sees environmental as a big issue. Perhaps it is about image impression above substance.

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  • Several scientists have repeatedly argued that the area’s cold water and fast flowing currents mean the wastewater is quickly diluted and produces no harmful effects.

    Federal laws changed in 2012
    However, federal regulations introduced in 2012 mean that the Capital Regional District, which includes Victoria, Saanich, and Esquimalt, B.C., have to have a treatment plant up and running by the end of 2020.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-sewage-treatment-plant-construction-regulations-1.5123974

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  • It doesnt take rocket science to understand natures role in keeping the enviroment sae and sound
    However what it takes ia a govt understanding that negatives that affect the envuroment cannot be cherry picked and hoisted before an unaware public for political gain sake
    Here we have a govt who has jumped out if the starting without knowing how many furlongs the horse needs to go
    The banning of plastic is a good example where this govr did not have alternatives for the public use

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  • More hotels more ‘shit’ ..I guess all will be going into the sea

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  • Miller

    “The Bajan government just cannot promote the blue economy as the lifeboat of economic sustainability of a future ‘restructured’ Barbados while there is a ‘planned’ strategy to continue to dump human waste in the sea to turn things real ‘brown’ and the skins of beachcombers red from health-challenging rashes.”

    They is no one from government that put forward a ‘planned’ strategy to continue dumping waste in the sea.

    You need to stop putting out false information!

    Both the Minister in charge and the PM (when she was opposition leader) spoke of upgrading the south coast plant.

    David will tell you that the outfall at Worthing was/is only expected to be a temporary measure and that the minister would like to find funds to upgrade to tertiary in another 8months or that up grade should have been finished in another 8 months.
    (I don’t see either of those scenarios happening).

    It is commendable that you want to protect the marine environment but its your alternate facts that are pulling you down.

    FACTS:

    The government (both) was pumping sewage into the sea for over 15 yrs and thing never turned ‘brown'( not even for one day).

    The skins of beachcombers never turned “red from health-challenging rashes” – even though you had millions of people in that sea over the years ( many of them repeated visitors/locals who would have been highly exposed).

    Please stop rushing all over the place to justify you opinion. We got it……you would like to see the dumping stopped ASAP.
    IT WILL HAPPEN – WHEN THE GOVERNMENT/ PEOPLE OF BARBADOS CAN AFFORD IT!

    It was not the intention to make the blue economy the lifeboat in two years. That is a long plan, just like the hotel corridor, and by the time one or both comes to being, the practice that you are so much against may be long into history!

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