Barbados in the BIG Picture

Submitted by Tee White

Much of the discussion going on in Barbados today about the current situation in the country tends to ignore both the historical and international context. However, it is very difficult to make sense of the current situation without taking these into account.

From a historical point of view, the origin of modern Barbados can be traced back to 1627, when the rising English merchant class and their aristocratic backers took control of the island and established it as a cog in Britain’s growing imperial economy. Its sole role in this relationship was, through various forms of forced labour and slavery, to generate wealth which would, in the main, be transferred to Britain for consumption. Therefore by the early 1920s, after 200 years under capitalism as slavery and 100 years under capitalism as colonial apartheid, the mass of working class Bajans, who were mainly the descendants of the enslaved Africans, were living in utter poverty and degradation. Mary Chamberlain in her book, Empire and Nation-Building in the Caribbean: Barbados, 1937-1966, points out that “wages in Barbados were the lowest in the region, ….. Barbados was one of the poorest of the British West Indian colonies…… public health was ‘peculiarly deplorable’…and Infant and child mortality were at devastating levels”. Even the British government’s Moyne Commission reported that in 1937, Barbados had the highest infant mortality rate and the second lowest number of government doctors per 100, 000 of the population in Britain’s Caribbean colonies.

It was in order to address these deplorable social conditions that the then generation of Bajans developed the early trade unions and political parties. With the winning of universal suffrage in 1951, there emerged a historic compromise. The old plantocracy, both local and foreign, were guaranteed their continued control of the island’s economy, while the new black governments of the BLP and DLP carried out social reforms to raise the standard of living of the mass of Bajans. These reforms in the fields of education, health care, public transport, public health and social welfare, coupled with the economic benefits of emigration, had a significant impact on the standard of living of most working class Bajans. They were possible because they took place against a background in which the ‘social welfare state’ was the dominant form of management of global capitalism. This approach rejected the 19th century free market arrangements where only the capitalists were considered as having a legitimate claim on the society’s wealth and where for the workers it was ‘every turkey fuh he own craw’. Those who failed to make it in this cut throat approach would have to fall back on the charity of the rich or go over the cliff. The social welfare state rejected this concept and in its place declared the responsibility of the society towards its members ‘from the cradle to the grave.’

Today, the international context has changed significantly. Neo-liberalism has emerged now as the dominant means of organising global capitalism. Its main characteristic is restricting the claim of the working class on the wealth they produce so that more can be funnelled to the rich and super rich. It amounts to robbing the poor to pay the rich. Workers wage levels are frozen or cut under austerity programs, workers are sacked and left jobless, tax cuts are brought in for the rich, social welfare programs which benefit the mass of people are cut or abolished, public utilities are turned into money making opportunities for the rich through privatisation and government contracts to private firms become a new form of corporate welfare. The aim and net effect of these reforms are to erode the standard of living of the working people and, wherever they are applied, there is a deepening of social inequality, with its resultant social despair, frustration and crime.

 

The point that we need to recognise is that the old model of economic and social development that Barbados has experienced over the last 80 or so years is over. This is the nub of the issue. The neo-liberal economic model demands the step by step shredding of the social welfare arrangements to which the country has become accustomed. Despite the claims of the IMF, this is not a temporary arrangement to help the country get back on its feet, but is intended as a permanent setup in which the standard of living of ordinary Bajans is reduced. All over the world, working people are beginning to voice their opposition to this direction of travel. The question is when will Bajans join in.

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  • ” STILL CANT FIGURE OUT HOW A BLACK GOVERNMENT KNIGHTED A FORMER WHITE LODGE BOY, HENRY FRASER, BUT OVERLOOKED TO KNIGHT TWO MORE OUTSTANDING LODGE BOYS, SAM HEADLEY AND OSCAR JORDAN.”

    When you are able to figure out the action of the government of Barbados over the past 50 years, please let us know.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Georgie Porgie
    “I STILL CANT FIGURE OUT HOW A BLACK GOVERNMENT KNIGHTED A FORMER WHITE LODGE BOY, HENRY FRASER, BUT OVERLOOKED TO KNIGHT TWO MORE OUTSTANDING LODGE BOYS, SAM HEADLEY AND OSCAR JORDAN.”
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    I’ve tried to explain this to you several times. It is the philosophy of Black respectability… aka being a house negro. The people and culture that knights people craves to respect of White people because they represent the colonial culture that they are trying so hard to emulate.

    Oscar Jordan was a cousin of mine and was a great Barbadian. There are many others like him who do enormous good for communities in Barbados but have gone unrecognized.

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  • John please see my last Submission which you may have missed…

    Anthony Johnson (b. c. 1600 – d. 1670) was a black Angolan who achieved freedom in the early 17th-century Colony of Virginia. He was one of the first Negro property owners and had his right to legally own a slave recognized by the Virginia courts. Held as an indentured servant in 1621, he earned his freedom after several years, and was granted land by the colony.

    When Anthony Johnson was released from servitude, he was legally recognized as a “free Negro.” He developed a successful farm. In 1651 he owned 250 acres (100 ha), and the services of five indentured servants (four white and one black). In 1653, John Casor, a black indentured servant whose contract Johnson appeared to have bought in the early 1640s, approached Captain Goldsmith, claiming his indenture had expired seven years earlier and that he was being held illegally by Johnson. A neighbor, Robert Parker, intervened and persuaded Johnson to free Casor.

    Parker offered Casor work, and he signed a term of indenture to the planter. Johnson sued Parker in the Northampton Court in 1654 for the return of Casor. The court initially found in favor of Parker, but Johnson appealed. In 1655, the court reversed its ruling. Finding that Anthony Johnson still “owned” John Casor, the court ordered that he be returned with the court dues paid by Robert Parker.

    This was the first instance of a judicial determination in the Thirteen Colonies holding that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life.

    Truth can be a very comforting thing to some. It can also be unsettling to others. Especially when that particular truth shatters generations of justified behaviors.

    After all, “Victims” certainly want to remain victims, while continuing their facade of a united front against some phantom oppressors). Imagine that. 🙂 And now, just a small example of the ‘Whitewashing’ That has taken place regarding a Black Slave Owner (one of many by the way). When you think of slavery, you should in reality think of a variety of images. Barbary Coast Raids, European Slavs. Slavery in Africa, Irish Slaves in America… So many others. And yet, think to yourself. When YOU think of slavery… you think of Black Slave, White Master exclusively. And that is by design. The overlords would have it no other way.

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  • and therein lies the rub Peter Lawrence Thompson

    WE ARE INDEED EVERY STRAND THE HOUSE NEGRO!!

    And very proud of it EXTREMELY PROUD OF IT!!

    When the white man released us to independence HE DID SO KNOWING THAT WE WERE MOSTLY STILL ALL SLAVES IN OUR MINDS Peter.

    And this is why, when I read John the Quaker, I read him with great sadness in my heart.

    Because, even though his theme is often one that shows his allegiance, IT ALSO SHOWS UP OUR GRAVE SHORTCOMINGS as hewers of wood and drawers of water, content to groan at our collective plight and to MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS DOWN if they would dare to shine.

    Any man or woman who would suggest another model for Barbados or any non caucasian state MUST BE AWARE THAT THEY ARE MARKED FOR DEATH or destruction of their reputation, or destruction or theft of their concepts, not so much by the Whites who still live and proudly inflict that slavery mindset, but most assuredly, such ment will be killed by our black bretheren and sisteren.

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  • Radical journalist William Cobbett complained of the ‘money-getting tribe of Quakers’, ‘none of whom ever work’, while they enriched themselves at the expense of the poor.

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    Do you realise that William Corbett would fit right in here on BU!!

    Meanwhile Quakers got on with life, made their contribution, honoured God and passed from this earth memorialized in the works they did.

    Barclays, Jordan’s, Cadbury’s, Friends Insurance, et al. …. Who the hell is or was William Corbett?

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  • Let’s start from the idea that the Plantation was a socialist Utopia.

    It supported slaves and owners from cradle to grave.

    Care was taken of the very old and the very young.

    Those workers injured on the job also received care.

    As in every system, socialist or otherwise, elites exist.

    Each elite had power over those beneath them.

    It is this power which makes the plantation society attractive and encourages the existence of elites.

    House Negro is an incorrect analogy because as I have shown from the slave returns from 1817, there were hardly any!!

    Many plantations had none.

    The difference between the elites of today and those on the plantation is that the plantation actually produced something consumable.

    Today, the elites are part of a socialist system that doesn’t do that!!

    The reason the plantation was more of a socialist utopia than what exists today is that the plantation could pay its way in both cash even though there wasn’t much of that, and kind!!

    The invalids and the very young received care from adults who were past their working age and the plantation supported them all.

    Today there is a lot of paper, some of it cash, but not much that is actually consumable!!

    That’s a huge difference and makes a comparison between what happens today and the plantation society flawed.

    The problem is POWER and its abuse!!

    I am pretty sure the plantations society did not bestow titles.

    You earned a title and those titles were skill based …. carpenter, mason, millwright, blacksmith, field hand etc. etc.

    Not saying there wasn’t an abuse of power on plantations … but when the system was thrown out of balance, the plantation just changed hands.

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  • John have you any Figures for Sugar Production in Barbados Prior to 1700

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    Freedom Crier,

    Check page 10 of this document.

    http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/13492/19/Thesis%20-%20KatherineCook%20-%20NewWorldMemory%202016.pdf

    Highest 15,587 tons in 1698, lowest 3,750 tons in 1651.

    Output would have been capped by the milling capacity.

    Steam, (1850 onward) made growth in output possible.

    Output in 1848 was of the order of 10,000 tons from Schomburgk.

    Most we produced was 200,000 tons, in 1957 and 1967.

    Booming economy fueled by world demand for sugar after WWII when the Japanese destroyed much of the sugar production in the Pacific and Europe and Russia laid waste – no sugar beet.

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  • Artax

    You wanted to know where I’ve gotten the term “pollutian” from … well it is a common Jamaican colloquialism which essentially entails a politician that is no good …

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  • Georgie Porgie

    RE IT ALSO SHOWS UP OUR GRAVE SHORTCOMINGS as hewers of wood and drawers of water, content to groan at our collective plight and to MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS DOWN if they would dare to shine.

    Any man or woman who would suggest another model for Barbados or any non caucasian state MUST BE AWARE THAT THEY ARE MARKED FOR DEATH or destruction of their reputation, or destruction or theft of their concepts, not so much by the Whites who still live and proudly inflict that slavery mindset, but most assuredly, such ment will be killed by our black bretheren and sisteren.

    A TRUER WORD HAS NOT BEEN SAID AND WE ALL KNOW IT
    WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ABOVE IS SOUND DOCTRINE THAT CAN NOT BE REFUTED
    IT HAS BEEN DISPLAYED HERE ON BU FROM ITDS INCEPTION
    AND WE HAVE SEEN IT DISPLAYED IN THE VILLAGE

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  • It’s a beautiful morning in my neck of the woods. Bright sunshine, a comfortable temperature and a clear sky.
    It does not matter which side of the bench you are on, I hope you are having a great day..
    Have a blessed and beautiful Saturday Barbados

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  • I think I can give a more definitive description to what many people call the “House Negro”.

    Few slaves on the plantations as we know them today were engaged in domestic chores.

    That’s a fact.

    It is all there in the Slave Returns from 1817 to 1834.

    Each had a productive role.

    Even the older ones who were past physical labour played a daily role in the functioning of the plantation.

    There were for example key roles such as minding children and watchman.

    So, let’s for the moment accept that sugar output accounted for 1/8 of the tonnage of shipping as per Schomburgk.

    Let’s say that 7/8 of the economy did not occur on the plantation but somewhere else associated with the 7/8 of the tonnage of shipping.

    The milling capacity we know from Schomburgk was capped.

    We get another key statistic from Schomburgk … the number of estates … that was 491 in 1848.

    I am going to say that there were on average under 100 slaves on each of the estates … that’s my eyeball estimate of the numbers I have looked at over the years in the returns.

    There will be large ones like Kendal and not so large ones.

    There will be more small ones than large ones.

    In 1817, the slave population was a couple thousand shy of 80,000.

    Let’s say there were 40,000 slaves engaged in the production of sugar in 1817.

    It means about 40,000 slaves were involved in the other 7/8 of the Barbados economy.

    Coming to terms with the “off plantation” slaves will help in understanding why we are the way we are.

    It will better help understand what is erroneously referred to as the “House Negro”!!

    I think in this sector of the slave population there were some serious psychological issues!!

    The sugar plantation however was a “socialist utopia” where each person cared about the other and until death, each person had a role to play and would have felt both needed and more importantly … wanted!!

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  • I AM SURE THEY DID NOT HAVE PLANNED PARENTHOOD THEN

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  • “Quakers dealt directly in trading slaves. James Claypool a Quaker and member of the Free Society of Traders had a joint business with other Quakers to buy slaves from his brother in Barbados. Penn’s agent, Philip Lehnmain, used a ship, The Isabella’, to trade for slaves. In 1683 Penn himself was actively dealing in slaves, buying a number from Captain Nathaniel Allen. Penn was also selling slaves. He sold one who was an excellent fisherman for ‘a full price, for the man will expect it of me‘.”

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  • A happy good morning to all.
    Excellent contributions from Artax
    as he dismantles the big and often repeated lie.

    Unable to contribute when I see words like Quaker, slave or Trump

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, the blog regulars must commend your intensity and desire to dismiss those who peddle biased views under the guise of factual research.

    Kudos.

    We may not always agree on all positions but your push for the rational, fact based discourse is awesome and with that I will always agree!

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  • TheOGazerts and de pedantic Dribbler

    Thanks.

    I believe we should be able to “discuss” issues on BU in a manner which is rational and reasonable.

    To do so would add much needed value to the forum.

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  • @Artax
    Look like you silence the Quaker with the white saviour complex. Well done.

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  • @ David,

    Breaking news.

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  • Artax
    May 12, 2019 9:39 AM

    “Quakers dealt directly in trading slaves. James Claypool a Quaker and member of the Free Society of Traders had a joint business with other Quakers to buy slaves from his brother in Barbados. Penn’s agent, Philip Lehnmain, used a ship, The Isabella’, to trade for slaves. In 1683 Penn himself was actively dealing in slaves, buying a number from Captain Nathaniel Allen. Penn was also selling slaves. He sold one who was an excellent fisherman for ‘a full price, for the man will expect it of me‘.”

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    The question was were Quakers founder members of the Royal African Company.

    Since it was formed in 1660 during their persecution by church and state it is unlikely the King of England who was a founder member would accept them as his business partners.

    For sure Quakers bought slaves, after all, they owned sugar plantations.

    By the 1680’s Quakers had become influential for the simple reason that they were successful in business

    William Penn and the King became good buddies.

    In fact, the King, who had borrowed from Penn’s father, repaid Penn with Sylvania which became what we call Pennsylvania today!!

    That was 1681.

    Then there is the story of the hat!!

    https://books.google.com/books?id=DJiJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=penn+doffing+hat+to+king&source=bl&ots=1z7jjjtH44&sig=ACfU3U2DawTMZUyjgIDDAMT7Rl4ch7nqSA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBpe-VxpfiAhWOtlkKHfuDBmMQ6AEwB3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=penn%20doffing%20hat%20to%20king&f=false

    You will see in the link that even Penn spent time in prison for being a Quaker.

    Penn was actually quite a character … you should read up on him and learn a thing or three!!

    Here is a list of 60 Quakers you can read about if you want to appreciate just how remarkable was their contribution.

    The Valiant Sixty!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valiant_Sixty

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  • Similarly to how to how some people supported slavery or was against it, some Quakers SUPPORTED slavery, while others did not. The Quakers may have played a role in the abolition of slavery, but their efforts did not begin with ALL Quakers being abolitionists. Those Quakers that opposed slavery were able to convince other Friends that slavery was wrong.

    I read about a Quaker named Benjamin Lay (1681-1759) who was born in Colchester, England, to Quaker parents William Lay and Mary Dennis. Lay was one of the first Quakers to oppose slavery and “was DISOWNED (EXPELLED) from the Society, not for the truth of what he said, but for PUBLISHING CRITICISMS of FRIENDS who OWNED slaves. This was seen as an internal concern to be resolved within the Quaker family.”

    Lay went to Barbados in 1731 “where he was appalled to see the conditions under which slaves were kept. He took up their cause and soon started to berate Quaker slaveholders. He went to live near Philadelphia and continued his protests against slave owning. Lay wrote a tract about the evils of slavery entitled ‘All Slave-Keepers the Keep the Innocent in Bondage, Apostates’. His friend Benjamin Franklin had this published in 1737. In this publication he made many accusations against individual Friends and the Society as a whole.”

    “Quaker institutions were ANGERED by what he had WRITTEN, and, more seriously, by the fact that the book had been published as a Quaker document without Quaker approval.” Lay went as far as kidnapping a child so as to illustrate how Africans parents felt when their children were abducted from Africa and sold into slavery.

    There was also a French-man named Anthony Benezet, who joined the “Religious Society of Friends” after he and his relatives emigrated to Pennsylvania in 1731. He married Joyce Marriot, a Philadelphia Quaker minister. Benezet challenged the assertion of black inferiority at a time when many whites, including many Quakers, DID NOT regard black people and white people as being EQUAL.

    RE: “For sure Quakers bought slaves, after all, they owned sugar plantations.”

    To suggest Quakers owned slaves ONLY because “they owned sugar plantations” is NOT entirely true.

    According to you, Quakers “were successful in business.” The slave trade was a lucrative “business.” Quakers participated in the slave trade in various and PROFITED from their involvement ways as well. Some Quakers owned ships, were captains of ships and some were involved in the slave trade as INVESTORS. Quaker iron-masters also MADE chains and shackles for USE in the slave trade.

    “Shippers from the colony of Rhode Island provided around 70% of all of the slaves brought to the Americas and Newport possessed one of the largest populations of wealthy Quakers, many of whom made their WEALTH THROUGH THE SLABVE TRADE. It is HARD to REFUTE. Quakers HELD slaves and profited by the institution well into the mid-eighteenth century.”

    “It took about two generations for Quakers to cleanse their membership from benefiting from the institution of slavery, as owners and/or traders.”

    Quakers only began to fully embrace the concept of abolition in the 1770s.

    RE: “Penn was actually quite a character … you should read up on him and learn a thing or three!!”

    I “read up on him” and “learnt a thing or, not “three,” but nine.”

    Although William Penn cautioned his followers to treat their slaves kindly, he declared he ACCEPTED slavery and preferred Africans to white indentured servants because one could OWN an African for life.

    https://sourdoughcreekperspectives.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/did-quakers-really-own-slaves/

    http://www.quakersintheworld.org/quakers-in-action/58/Eliminating-Slavery-amongst-Quakers

    http://www.quakersintheworld.org/quakers-in-action/61/Benjamin-Lay

    http://www.quakersintheworld.org/quakers-in-action/60/Anthony-Benezet

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  • *************That should read: “Quakers participated in the slave trade in various ways and PROFITED from their involvement as well.”

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  • Piece the Legend

    Thank you Artaxerxes the Superlative Researcher and Griot and investigator of things black.

    In my experience on “these things black” AND THE DEARTH OF INFORMATION ABOUT OURSELVES (WE BLACK PEOPLE) you have brought a factual intellectual perspective to the lies and partial untruths (what percentage?) That John the Quaker has been presenting.

    I wonder if you could shed some light on this.

    In all of the History of the West Indies books, specifically curriculii for Barbados schools, has there ever been any reference made to the Berlin Treaty?

    De ole man did not go school like wunna bright fellers so I gine need some help here

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  • Georgie Porgie

    EVERYTHING JOHN SAYS IS WRONG……….CAUSE HE WHITE!

    WE MUST DO ALL IN OUR POWER TO DISCREDIT HIS RESEARCH AND PULL HIM DOWN AND DEBASE HIM…….CAUSE HE WHITE AND HE WON TWO SCHOLARSHIPS.

    IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT FEW BU BRIMBLERS CAN SAY THAT THEY EVEN WON ONE.

    ALSO WE MUST SAY HE WAS BRIGHT AT AGE 18………BUT NOW HE IS AN IDIOT JUST LIKE WE ARE.

    LET US THEREFORE SEEK TO SOMEHOW REDUCE HIM TO OUR LEVEL.

    LET US TURN HIM INTO A MERE DPD!

    WATCH NOW……..WATCH

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  • Slavery existed for millennia before any Quaker came along after 1648.

    It was legal, moral and acceptable you would have to agree.

    It could be found all over Africa and in the Islamic World in a most brutal form.

    Within 2 centuries these remarkable people, the Quakers had abolished it … simple irrefutable fact, so simple and irrefutable that you don’t need to do much research on it!!

    It is also an irrefutable fact that they were Christian … capitalists too, but Christian first and foremost.

    Look at slavery as it developed and existed in some of the leftist ideologies and you will understand the difference between the socialist utopia created on Barbadian plantations and the sheer hell created under the fascist and communist systems.

    Look at Stalin’s collective or Hitler’s concentration camps … communist and fascist … both leftist.

    Look at the results.

    Slavery belongs in leftist ideologies … they are essentially all Godless and give power to the state.

    They seek state control over the individual.

    It doesn’t mean that slavery couldn’t exist in a capitalist systems but eventually it will be rejected because capitalism thrives on individuality.

    No Christian or capitalist or for that matter any normal human being in their right minds wants to have to care for and control a whole lot of people from cradle to grave.

    Which individual wants to be saddled with a whole mass of other humanity and have to provide for them as well as their own family?

    It is only a Godless state that could countenance such a situation.

    It is way too much trouble and heartache for any individual.

    If it is made violent, it collapses violently.

    If it is made compassionate it also collapses because there are limits to the profits capitalism can generate to subsidise a socialist utopia.

    It will collapse because people want to get on with their own lives as God created them.

    For sure we were made our brother’s keeper, but our brother is not expected to be our slave for life!!

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  • Even brothers depart the family and go and form their own.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    LET US TURN HIM INTO A MERE DPD OR LEXICON!
    IN SO DOING WE WILL DO WELL FOR DISCOURSE ON BU AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR FAILING NATION

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  • Mr. Georgie Porgie

    Are you suggesting because some contributors may present an alternative view to John’s biased opinions, they should desist from doing so because they are attempting to “DISCREDIT HIS RESEARCH AND PULL HIM DOWN AND DEBASE HIM…….CAUSE HE WHITE AND HE WON TWO SCHOLARSHIPS?”

    Are you implying that research done by an individual becomes “null and void” or does not have any basis, because the researcher did not win a Barbados scholarship?

    Are you also suggesting those of us who have not won Barbados scholarships are IDIOTS, and should therefore WHOLEHEARTEDLY ACCEPT anything John posts to this forum, simply because at age 18 he was “brighter” than us…..having won “two scholarships”…………. and to CHALLENGE his opinions means we are “THEREFORE SEEKING TO SOMEHOW REDUCE HIM TO OUR LEVEL?”

    AMAZING.

    It is interesting to note that while you are here engaging in this petty, childish argument about who were not as fortunate as you and John to have won two or more “scholarships, and since you consider “non winners” as IDIOTS…..entrepreneurs such as Charles O. Williams, Everson R. Elcock, Rawle C. Brancker, Ralph Williams, Edwin Worrell, the Jordan brothers of Jordan’s Supermarket, Andrew Bynoe and Gray “Doc” Broome are NOT island scholars, but they developed successful businesses that employ hundreds of Barbadians. And ironically, some “island scholars” are employed by these same businessmen.

    In this regard, tell what you and John have been able to achieve?

    Tell us, as a doctor, what have you been able to achieve that your medical colleagues were unable to achieve as a result of they not winning a scholarship?

    It’s truly amazing!!!

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  • ARTAX

    I DIDNT MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS

    I SAID WHAT I WANTED TO SAY AND I MAKE NO APOLOGY FOR WHAT I SAID

    AND I GOT THE EXACT RESPONSE I EXPECTED

    IT JUST TOOK 108 MINUTES

    RE Tell us, as a doctor, what have you been able to achieve that your medical colleagues were unable to achieve as a result of they not winning a scholarship?

    PUT IT THIS WAY… ONE OF THEM WHO DIED RECENTLY IS REPORTED TO HAVE ASKED
    ” HOW CAN DR GP BUILD HOUSES ON A GOVERNMENT SALARY?”

    It WAS truly amazing!!! TRULY AMAZING INDEED. LOL

    COME ON PEOPLE PILE ON NOW PILE ON!

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  • Atrax

    The problem is the brainwashing that has occurred.

    I experienced it too but got past it.

    Somehow we need to find solutions (no pun intended) for our country’s problem and the tired ols way of looking at the past is not working.

    I am showing a way of using our remarkable history to increase our appeal worldwide.

    … every square inch of Barbados is a world heritage site!!

    It is so so simple!!

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  • Atrax

    GP can predict your response to a teaser because you are predictable by the brainwashing you received.

    I do it routinely and send some folks who have been brainwashed better than others crazy.

    Barbados is past the rubbish preached by politicians and historians who have contributed nothing to our country and caused more harm than good.

    Time to wake up!!

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  • John

    Your “brainwashing theory” as applied to this particular situation is nonsense…….rubbish.

    You are essentially suggesting I “have been brainwashed” because I choose to present an alternative perspective of the Quakers as opposed to wholeheartedly accepting, without challenge or question, YOUR personal views on the said Quakers.

    My friend, people’s responses to issues are based on their beliefs and how they portray or see themselves.

    You could present a specific situation to two different individuals and predict their responses.

    Mariposa, for example, is a “diehard” DLP supporter. Therefore, any reasonably thinking individual could predict her responses to political issues will be in defence of the DLP.

    You and Dr. Georgie Porigie are ARROGANT and believe because you both won “island scholarships,” everyone should bow to your self-perceived “superior knowledge” and accept as gospel, anything you spew in this forum.

    I LIKEWISE anticipated (predicted) the following comment from you or GP. But he was “first out of the box.”

    “WE MUST DO ALL IN OUR POWER TO DISCREDIT HIS RESEARCH AND PULL HIM DOWN AND DEBASE HIM…….CAUSE HE WHITE AND HE WON TWO SCHOLARSHIPS.
    IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT FEW BU BRIMBLERS CAN SAY THAT THEY EVEN WON ONE.
    ALSO, WE MUST SAY HE WAS BRIGHT AT AGE 18………BUT NOW HE IS AN IDIOT JUST LIKE WE ARE.
    LET US THEREFORE SEEK TO SOMEHOW REDUCE HIM TO OUR LEVEL.
    LET US TURN HIM INTO A MERE DPD!”

    Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest we predicted each other’s responses.

    Does that make GP “brainwashed” as well……. or is the “brain washing” and “predictability” reserved specifically for those who have not been as fortunate as you or him to have won a Barbados scholarship?

    It does not take any exceptional skill to predict responses from a man who keeps boasting about winning a scholarship and referring to people as “BU brimblers,” and illiterates.

    Or predict responses from a man who keeps romanticizing slavery and implying the plantation system was a better form of “government,” in that, (IGNORING the atrocities of slavery), the “plantation system of government” provided health care, social welfare, transport, meals and took care of the slaves “from the cradle to the grave”…… as opposed to the type of governmental system that exists today. In other words, implying that black people were better off being slaves.

    You brought your perspective on the Quaker issue, in addition to websites for our perusal and to substantiate your opinions.

    I presented an ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVE on the issue and likewise included references from websites for your perusal and to substantiate that perspective.

    Rather than compare and contrast both perspectives to make way for an informed, rational discussion, you immediately DISMISSED the alternative in favour of your opinions………… and in the process, concluded I have been “brainwashed.”

    You are PREDICTABLE because of your ARROGANCE.

    I must remind you that, if I wholeheartedly accept anything you spew in this forum, unchallenged and unquestioned……..

    ……….. I would essentially be ALLOWING myself to be “brainwashed” by you.

    Anyhow, I presented information for those readers who may want to view an alternative perspective, which they are free to dismiss or use along with your information, to research the issue……. if they care to.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    ARTAX

    I SAY AGAIN ABOUT JOHN IN MY ARROGANCE AND LOVER OF BU BRIMBLERS BARKERS AND BRAYERS WITH NO APOLOGY

    “WE MUST DO ALL IN OUR POWER TO DISCREDIT HIS RESEARCH AND PULL HIM DOWN AND DEBASE HIM…….CAUSE HE WHITE AND HE WON TWO SCHOLARSHIPS.

    IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT FEW BU BRIMBLERS CAN SAY THAT THEY EVEN WON ONE.
    ALSO, WE MUST SAY HE WAS BRIGHT AT AGE 18………BUT NOW HE IS AN IDIOT JUST LIKE WE ARE.
    LET US THEREFORE SEEK TO SOMEHOW REDUCE HIM TO OUR LEVEL.
    LET US TURN HIM INTO A MERE DPD OR LEXICON !”

    MOCKING IN THE RUM SHOP TOO SWEET DO

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  • “……for I am perswaded,that if they whom thou call’st thy slaves,be upright-hearted to God,the Lord God Almighty will set them free in a way that thou knowest not,for there is none set free but in Christ Jesus.For all other freedom will prove but a bondage”
    Prophetic words of Alice Curwen,Quaker preacher in 1677 on a visit to Barbados.Prophetic because the 95% black Bajans are still in bondage to an imperial economic system controlled by the banking sector of europeans and zionists.Its the same story everywhere the black man is.Bondage for evermore once these scoundrels are allowed by politicians to con black people.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    BY THE WAY ARTAX I DIDNT GET A SCHOLARSHIP I IS ONLY A SECOND LOL LOL MURDAH

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  • I, I , I

    #deniskellman

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  • Gabriel
    May 13, 2019 1:12 PM

    “……for I am perswaded,that if they whom thou call’st thy slaves,be upright-hearted to God,the Lord God Almighty will set them free in a way that thou knowest not,for there is none set free but in Christ Jesus.For all other freedom will prove but a bondage”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wasn’t she saying that we all are slaves … except those set free in Christ?

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  • Georgie Porgie

    NO DAVID IT IS H I J K

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  • Georgie Porgie

    John

    re Wasn’t she saying that we all are slaves … except those set free in Christ?
    EXACTLY!

    That person may have been citing any of these verses
    2 Corinthians 3:17
    Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
    Or John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
    Or Galatians 5:13-14
    13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
    Or Galatians 5:1

    It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

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  • Piece the Legend

    @ John the Denizen

    When you post as John the denizen who inhabits this earth as I do, entitled as I am, to its resources, I have been quick to commend those posts

    Then you will post as John the Historian, and in those moments point white and black alike to regard the classic stupidity of slavery, perpetuated by white colonists, and existing whites, AND BY MY BLACK GOVERNMENT.

    As in your most recent observation about the cave-in in the 1890’s? and the treatment by the plantation owners of that time of their chattel, and the repeat cave in at Arch Cot, and the abandonment by the new black plantation owners, both the black BLP and the DLP, of the cattle now SHEEPLE!

    You said and I quote

    “…The problem is the brainwashing that has occurred.

    I experienced it too but got past it.

    Somehow we need to find solutions (no pun intended) for our country’s problem and the tired ols way of looking at the past is not working.

    I am showing a way of using our remarkable history to increase our appeal worldwide…”

    I concur with that observation wholeheartedly, John the Historian but I posit that the existing clowns cant see that.

    Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.

    I understand when you “emote” specific responses but at times I wonder John the Quaker where you centre of gravity truly lies.

    I do not doubt your brilliance, and reasoning skills, in fact you may recall that I have even suggested co-opting you to the Ranks of the Third Party Movement’s “facilitators” heheheheh, but there are moments when you push that envelope and, it is clear that, it doan tek much fuh “people like me” to “Set it Off”

    It’s a hard thing for us humans to divorce ourselves from these “frail shells that we inhabit” for these 3 score years and ten …

    And it is harder still, when we have grown accustomed to this overt and institutionalised crime of racism, to see another’s intent, given past history.

    I can still remember the day when BBC reported Steve Biko’s death so I beg all of wunna to give me pause since “my soul has fled to yonder corpse and I must pause till it come back to me…”

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  • Piece the Legend

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here thank you

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  • Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and Bajans on a blog talking nonsense. You just could not make it up. It must be cultural.

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  • Communism …. Pravda

    Fascism …. Goebbels

    The left needs a propaganda arm to brainwash.

    Barbados …….?????

    I’m saying that there was a conscious effort to brainwash and we see it now especially in those over 50!!!

    It was an extra curricular activity of some youngsters at HC and other schools.

    Effectively, their childhood and youth was stolen from them.

    My observation of how it was done to some in my family was through a group of elders who set out to promote mediocrity in some of my contemporaries.

    They were lauded even for the most ridiculous statements or actions.

    Even then I could recognize something wrong in the thinking but I never spent too much time trying to understand it as life was happening at a rate of knots.

    I just separated myself and got on with living.

    I got my share of licks but shrugged them off because life was great!!

    Those who went through a carefree childhood and exuberant youth learning by experience and enjoying the immediacy of life can spot who got it done to them.

    There is a bitterness and envy now that cannot be concealed.

    Life seems to have and have had no joy.

    Rather than live in the present it is the past and future that dominates.

    Only a lunatic could support a theory that the world will end in 12 years because of global warming.

    It might very well end in 12 years, but it won’t be Global Warming that is the cause!!

    … but then again it might not so live every day as if it were your last.

    The brainwashing did not only happen in Barbados, it was a worldwide phenomenon.

    In Barbados it was irresistible but in the US there was resistance and enough strength to right the ship after the leftist philosophies were proven to be failures.

    That is one of the things I recognized in what happened in the 2016 elections.

    It is pretty difficult to overcome individuals no matter how organized a state you make!!

    God made each of us strong and is always there to further strengthen.

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  • Hal Austin
    May 13, 2019 2:22 PM

    Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and Bajans on a blog talking nonsense. You just could not make it up. It must be cultural.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Relax Hal.

    Chill.

    Worse thing can happen is China decides to take out the UK first!!

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  • Curwen is an interesting surname.

    I looked for it in my usual sources but could not find it.

    Yet, there is a Curwen Avenue off Beclkes Road.

    … and the name is used as a Christian name in Barbados.

    Obviously if she was the source, she was held in extremely high regard.

    Next time I look at the name I will spend a little more time.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    yes Hal CHILL FUH TRUTE

    CAUSE after China decides to take out the UK or the USA,

    Bajans WILL STILL be on a blog talking nonsense

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  • John
    That’s your interpretation and that’s why to the discerning it’s all a sleight of hand brand of living.The mantra of the white demagogs ….Ef yuh wite yuh awright….is still the reality of the black man. By de swet ‘o yuh brow yuh must eat bred…
    BTW its jesus THE christ.

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  • Bajans refer to those Curwens of the Bayland as ‘red’ people.

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  • Piece the Legend

    I posted this already but

    @ John the Denizen

    When you post as John the denizen who inhabits this earth as I do, entitled as I am, to its resources, I have been quick to commend those posts

    Then you will post as John the Historian, and in those moments point white and black alike to regard the classic stupidity of slavery, perpetuated by white colonists, and existing whites, AND BY MY BLACK GOVERNMENT.

    As in your most recent observation about the cave-in in the 1890’s? and the treatment by the plantation owners of that time of their chattel, and the repeat cave in at Arch Cot, and the abandonment by the new black plantation owners, both the black BLP and the DLP, of the cattle now SHEEPLE!

    You said and I quote

    “…The problem is the brainwashing that has occurred.

    I experienced it too but got past it.

    Somehow we need to find solutions (no pun intended) for our country’s problem and the tired ols way of looking at the past is not working.

    I am showing a way of using our remarkable history to increase our appeal worldwide…”

    I concur with that observation wholeheartedly, John the Historian but I posit that the existing clowns cant see that.

    Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.

    I understand when you “emote” specific responses but at times I wonder John the Quaker where you centre of gravity truly lies.

    I do not doubt your brilliance, and reasoning skills, in fact you may recall that I have even suggested co-opting you to the Ranks of the Third Party Movement’s “facilitators” heheheheh, but there are moments when you push that envelope and, it is clear that, it doan tek much fuh “people like me” to “Set it Off”

    It’s a hard thing for us humans to divorce ourselves from these “frail shells that we inhabit” for these 3 score years and ten …

    And it is harder still, when we have grown accustomed to this overt and institutionalised crime of racism, to see another’s intent, given past history.

    I can still remember the day when BBC reported Steve Biko’s death so I beg all of wunna to give me pause since “my soul has fled to yonder corpse and I must pause till it come back to me…”

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  • Piece the Legend

    And yes John of the Trifold nature you are right when you say some of us live in the past as I would have clearly categorized myself when I spoke of Bantu Steven Biko whose life ended in 1966 but I also live in a present with Trayvon Martin whose dead body was retweeted by George Zimmerman his murdered days after he died.

    It is a thing most strange John the Quaker that you tell us that we must forget our pasts since it makes us envious and bitter but when Jews remember Auschwitz and the Holocaust or Americans remember Pearl Harbour it is well with your soul!

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  • The Truth Shall Set You Free

    “Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and Bajans on a blog talking nonsense. You just could not make it up. It must be cultural.”

    @Hal Austin

    If you know China and the US are shaping up for war, what is there preventing you from discussing it, instead of making yourself the blog jackass by preferring to come to the blog talking nonsense about Bajans talking nonsense.

    Then again, you are a Bajan, so it must be cultural. No one could have made that up.

    Get a life old man.

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  • @ The Truth,

    I rest my case.

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  • It is a thing most strange John the Quaker that you tell us that we must forget our past

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Never advocated forgetting the past.

    However, understanding it is what I would promote!!

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  • Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have never glorified slavery.

    I have glorified the end of several millennia in less than 2 centuries.

    I have pointed out the fact that as a socialist construct, the plantation saw after its own from cradle to grave.

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  • @The Truth Shall Set you Free
    I slaw enjoy good batting. You must explain how you despatch that long-hop to the boundary. Beautiful footwork.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    john

    run dem ragged

    its real fun to see dem getting on like the dems

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  • John
    May 13, 2019 5:35 PM

    Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I have never glorified slavery.
    I have glorified the end of several millennia in less than 2 centuries.
    I have pointed out the fact that as a socialist construct, the plantation saw after its own from cradle to grave.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Quakers doing God’s will.

    Most slaves did not come to British colonies, they went to Portuguese and Spanish colonies.

    Wouldn’t it be logical to expect that any work to end slavery should have happened in South and Central America?

    Wouldn’t you expect the Roman Catholic Church to be in the forefront?

    Yet, it was not.

    It took a few non conformists who came to the fore after 1648 to wind it up!!!

    You should be asking …. WHY?

    If slavery was such a shame in your eyes, why didn’t the major churches end it?

    You only know about the role of the Quakers because of what I write!!

    My guess is you never really thought about it.

    Your problem is that much of what I say conflicts with what you have been led to believe.

    … but that’s your problem, not mine.

    A logical dispassionate person would go and dig deep and see which version of events is correct and then act to suit.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    scientific method of washing the brain

    1 squeeze two limes into a litre of water
    2 add 5 tablespoons of brown sugar
    3 stir well
    4 drink the mixture which will leave the stomach and enter the blood stream
    5 having reached the heart it will be sent via the internal carotids up to the circle of Willis and thence to the brain tissue
    6 repeat steps 1-5 daily for a year

    your brain would have been adequately washed if you “bow to my self-perceived “superior knowledge” and accept as gospel, what I have spewed above

    .

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  • What I have also pointed out that there were two slave populations in Barbados, one that lived on the plantation and one that did not.

    They were about equal in size from what I see, but in time I will get more precise.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    if in scientifically using the method of washing the brain too much, the brain washing fluid can go to Broca’s area 44 and your mouth will twist up and you will have to get AN EMERGENCY POST MORTEM
    MURDAH

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  • Georgie Porgie

    john IS white

    he went to HC, WHERE YA DOES GET YA BRAIN WASH TO TURN YA INTO A HOUSE NEGRO
    WAS JOHN WASHED FROM BEING WHITE TO BEING A HOUSE NEGRO?

    WHAT DOES A WHITE HOUSE NEGRO LOOK LIKE?

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  • The Truth Shall Set You Free

    Hal Austin, you are the one who said that while China and the US are shaping up for war, Bajans are on the blog talking nonsense.

    Your 4:06 PM contribution was one in which you could have discussed the US/China issue you introduced to BU.

    But you preferred to WASTE that SECOND OPPORTUNITY to elaborate on the pending war situation, to respond to my comments instead.

    In doing so, you can’t get away from the fact that you are another Bajan who came to the blog talking nonsense too.

    The Bajan culture is in you.

    I rest my case.

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  • @ Truth,

    You cannot have a discussion of one, unless you are talking to yourself. The simmering face off between the US and China concerns the rest of the world. There is a lot there to discuss. Do you want to discuss the China/US passive aggression?
    But, true to form (it is cultural) you jump in hysterically on the attack. What most civilised people do is if the issue does not appeal to them they keep quiet. But you obviously want a row. It is the Napoleon syndrome.

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  • The Truth Shall Set You Free

    @ Hal Austin

    Are for real?

    Let me break this down so uncivilized people may be able understand.

    People on the blog discussing the Quakers among other things, and you made the following comment:

    “Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and Bajans on a blog talking nonsense. You just could not make it up. It must be cultural.”

    You said: “What most civilised people do is if the issue does not appeal to them they keep quiet. But you obviously want a row. It is the Napoleon syndrome,”

    Hal Austin, “if Bajans on a blog talking nonsense” DID NOT APPEAL TO YOU, you SHOULD HAVE KEPT QUIET!!!

    You DID NOT KEEP QUIET, so that mean you are NOT “civilized” too.

    Instead of IGNORING me, you WASTED YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY to make a comment on China and the US shaping up for war, to GENERATE a discussion, but you preferred to attack me sarcastically.

    You know that you are ALWAYS on the attack and sarcastic. Is it not the same thing as “true to form (it is cultural) you jump in hysterically on the attack?”

    Remember, don’t care how long you lived in England, you ARE still a Bajan. Since you are EXHIBITING all the things you describe as being cultural just like all the rest of us………..it definitely MUST be a cultural thing.

    This is a blog, and just like everyone else, you can post a contribution on what you want to discuss and contributors have the option to discuss it or not.

    Hal Austin, you not as intelligent as you think you are.

    Be a good boy and instead of wasting another opportunity by responding to me, write something about China and the US and let’s take the discussion from there.

    Or are you waiting for someone else to start the discussion? They could also say “You cannot have a discussion of one, unless you are talking to yourself.”

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  • The Truth Shall Set You Free

    Hal, old chap

    Here we are, with the US and China shaping up for war, and you and me on a blog talking nonsense.

    You ain’t no different to none of us here.

    Cheers. old chappy.

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  • Then you will post as John the Quaker and at times it seems like if you glorify the shame that is slavery.

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    From where do you or anyone else get the thought process that relegates slavery to a shame?

    Why are you or anyone else different in thought from any of the millions/billions who lived before the advent of the Quakers and accepted slavery as completely normal, natural, legal and moral?

    You, believe it or not, are thinking like a Quaker.

    The same goes for equality of the sexes!!

    It is the Quakers who first considered women and men spiritual equals!!

    Here is a relatively small group of non conformists who had an unbelievably profound effect on the world and you did not even have a clue as to their existence.

    The reason I believe you, and until recently I myself were so ignorant of history is because they were literally … written right out of it.

    I figure I know why and even perhaps who but still digging.

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  • @John

    We can agree with you that positions will evolve over time. It does not legitimize what would have gone before does it?

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  • “It is the Quakers who first considered women and men spiritual equals”
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    Oh the Eurocentrism!!! Europeans are not the only human beings and European experience is not equivalent to all human experience. For thousands of years, long before Christianity even reached Europe, various African societies have respected men and women as equal human beings but the Quakers are the first. SMH

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  • David
    May 14, 2019 8:03 AM

    @John
    We can agree with you that positions will evolve over time. It does not legitimize what would have gone before does it?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Until 1833, slavery was legitimate in the British Empire.

    As a result of the efforts of the Quakers it was delegitimized in the British Empire thereafter.

    Subsequently, it was delegitimized in the whole world!!

    Here is the amazing thing.

    The first Quaker to take a seat in the British Parliament was Joseph Pease …. in 1832, the year before!!

    They simply used their connections to make the emancipation proclamation reality and had been doing it for years through Wilberforce and others.

    http://www.quakersintheworld.org/quakers-in-action/305/British-Quakers-in-Parliament-in-the-Nineteenth-Century

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  • Tee White
    May 14, 2019 4:44 PM

    “It is the Quakers who first considered women and men spiritual equals”
    ####
    Oh the Eurocentrism!!! Europeans are not the only human beings and European experience is not equivalent to all human experience. For thousands of years, long before Christianity even reached Europe, various African societies have respected men and women as equal human beings but the Quakers are the first. SMH

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You firing wild and not thinking!!

    http://web.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/speccoll/quakersandslavery/commentary/themes/radical_quaker_women.pdf

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  • So why does slavery exist today and no one on BU seems to have a problem?

    You would think we would all give thanks for the contribution of remarkable people centuries ago who helped show us the way.

    You would think we would raise our voices and actually do something about slavery today … but I guess we aren’t very remarkable people!!

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  • JOHN ALL OF WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS FACTUAL…

    BU RECOGNIZE THE IDEOLOGY THAT PROMOTES SLAVERY…PART A

    THE COMMUNIST/MARXIST/SOCIALIST Ideology and the taking Away of Agency have Killed more people in the Last hundred Years even surpassing people like Attila the Hun and his Hordes. The Ideology of Communism/Marxism /Socialism/Religious Supremacy have Killed more people than your mind could Fathom and will turn a Blind eye to.

    Mao Zedong Catastrophes 1946-1976 = 70 million.
    Stalinist Crimes against humanity and genocide 1922-1953 =60 million
    Nazi Holocaust 1939-1945 = 17 million.
    Mass killings under Chinese Nationalist Government 1928-1946 = 1 million Chinese civilians starved or killed in order to fend off communist advance

    Hundreds of thousands peasants and communist killed in political repression.

    1.75 to 2.5 million Chinese starving to death due to grain being confiscated and sold to other peasants for the profit of Nationalist Government officials.

    4.2 million Chinese perishing before even entering combat due starving to death or dying from disease during horrific conscription campaigns.

    440,000 to 893,000 Chinese civilians perishing in a man made flood by the Nationalist to stop a Japanese advance.

    5.Japanese War Holocaust 1895-1945= between 3 and 14 million civilians and prisoners of war through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government.

    6.Khmer Rouge Holocaust 1975-1979= The Cambodian genocide was carried out by the Khmer Rouge regime led by Pol Pot between 1975 and 1979 in which an estimated 1.5 to 3 million people died. The Cambodian Civil War resulted in the establishment of Democratic Kampuchea by the victorious Khmer Rouge, which planned to create a form of agrarian Socialism founded on the ideals of Stalinism and Maoism. The subsequent policies caused forced relocation of the population from urban centers, torture, mass executions, use of forced labor, malnutrition, and disease which led to the deaths of an estimated 25 percent of the total population (around 2 million people). The genocide ended in 1979 following the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. As of 2009, 23,745 mass graves have been discovered.

    7.Young Turk’s Ottoman Holocaust 1913-1922

    A collective term to refer to the various genocides and Ethnic cleansings the Ottoman Empire committed under the administration of the Young Turks. Death toll is the combined death tolls of the Armenian Genocide (800,000 to 1,500,000), Assyrian Genocide (150,000 to 300,000), and Greek Genocide(289,000 to 750,000), and combined with the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (200,000).

    THE RESULTS OF MODERN DAY SLAVERS…

    Blacks in Africa Kill other Blacks Remember Rwanda?

    Blacks in America kill Blacks as in Chicago.

    Whites Kill Whites…Remember World War 11?

    Japanese Kill Chinese…Remember World War 11?

    Chinese Kill Chinese…As in MAO!

    Australians Killed Aboriginals…

    Muslims Slaughter MILLIONS in Pakistan and down into India.

    You have modern day Eugenics’ Democrats supporting Planned Parenthood (MURDERHOOD) that is EXTERMINATING off 60% of the BLACK BIRTHS.

    IN THE NUTSHELL, THESE RUTHLESS IDEOLOGIES PROMOTE KILLING WHEN YOU DO NOT COMPLY.

    Matt Kibbe: Socialism Kills

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  • THE PHILOSOPHY OF FREEDOM … RECOGNIZING WHO IS BEHIND EVERY KIND OF TYRANNY. PART B

    BU PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING…THEY ARE A FEW HERE THAT DO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE HORRORS OF SLAVERY IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT BOTH ANCIENT AND MODERN DAY WHILE BRINGING IT TO THE FORE. FREEDOM CRIER IS ONE THAT IS FOR SURE.

    In Each of us there is a Tendency to do Good and a Tendency to do Evil…so the Initiate asked the Master which One Would Win and the Master said the one you Feed.

    They are Only Two Philosophies in the World …That of Freedom and that of Bondage…It all comes down to the Exercise of Free Agency … Choose Whom Ye Will Serve Joshua 24:15!!

    The Gospel = Freedom of the Individual with Individual Rights and Principles… we must be able to judge the difference between Good and Evil as the Foundation for ALL Tyrannies Is the Removal of Free Agency. As in any IDEOLOGY which Exercises Force over their followers and Compels them to do what their Leaders says or else, it is then fair to say that Philosophy is against Freewill or Free Agency! 2 Corinthians 3:19: For Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty”

    The fact that the Tyranny of Liberal Progressives (Socialism/Communism) itself has been steadily gaining ground over the past century without halting between leaders or generations, actually spanning periods of history without interruption of any sort, proves to us finally that there is something more evil and sinister going on in those people that are leading this infamy…. Usually, bad ideas tend to be exposed and rejected, at least that’s what most of us expect to happen, believing that common sense will finally rule the day.

    But, tellingly, that has not happened this time. Instead the worst ideas of Government seem to have gotten root in us in such a way that it’s becoming almost impossible to reject their sinister attractions. So we must begin to ask, who is it that is behind the rampant spreading of the disease but the Adversary himself, who makes all to war against each other, and who will bring all that listen into slavery of giving away our rights, freedoms and liberties to men of evil nature, and that care not one whit about true fairness and justice.

    It’s time to connect the dots and see who is really behind socialism et al, as well as the color of every tyranny known to mankind. This is the Adversary’s game…. Always has been. And there is only one way to defeat it. Once we know the evil spirit responsible, we may then learn to repent of such foolishness and rise above the evil tide. Return to the roots of the Gospel, even Jesus Christ, that he has given to all men, that they might receive His Blessings. His is the way of Life. His is the way of Truth, and the manner by which we should be governed.

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  • “The first Quaker to take a seat in the British Parliament was Joseph Pease …. in 1832, the year before!!”

    Are you suggesting that Pease, who entered the House of Commons in 1832, was able to convince the other members to pass a Bill in July 1833 and subsequently the House of Lords on August 1, 1833 to abolish slavery in the British Empire?

    Okay, Pease entered the House of Commons in 1832, although he was not immediately allowed to take his seat. But it is interesting to note the following events, which took place PRIOR to 1832.

    1807 – The Slave Trade Act.

    1811 – The Slave Trade Felony Act.

    Are you also suggesting that abolition of slavery became a reality SOLELY on the efforts of the Quakers, and NOT including OTHER factors such as:

    (1). A change in economic interests…. whereby an independent America (in 1776) was able to trade freely and directly with French and Dutch, which, as a result saw a decline in sugar production by islands such as Barbados and Jamaica.

    (2). The “industrial revolution.”

    (3). Abolition campaigns and religious groups. The demand for freedom for enslaved people had become almost universal. It was now driven forward, not only by the formal abolition campaign but by a coalition of non-conformist churches as well as Evangelicals in the Church of England.

    (4). Resistance by the enslaved people, inspired by former slaves such as Ottobah Cugoano, Olaudah Equiano, Ignatius Sancho.

    “The French Revolution brought ideas of liberty and equality, which inspired those seeking an end to slavery (for example, Toussaint L’Ouverture who led a successful slave revolt in Haiti). Major slave revolts followed (Barbados 1816, Demerara 1822 and Jamaica 1831-1832); they reduced profitability and gave a strong indication that, regardless of political opinion, the enslaved people were not going to tolerate enslavement. The revolts shocked the British government and made them see that the costs and dangers of keeping slavery in the West Indies were too high. In places like Jamaica, many terrified plantation owners were finally ready to accept abolition rather than risk a widespread war.”

    Just asking for a friend.

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  • Georgie Porgie

    JOHN
    YOU SHOULD BE QUAKING IN YOUR BOOTS

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  • You got the point about Joseph Pease.

    Great!!!!!

    Now, have a read of Wilberforce and his spiritual journey … he was not a Quaker!!

    https://www.janeausten.co.uk/william-wilberforce/

    “In 1784 Wilberforce embarked upon a tour of Europe which would change his life and, ultimately, his whole future career. In October he travelled with his friend Isaac Milner, who had been Fellow of Queens’ College, Cambridge in the year that Wilberforce first went up. They went in the company of his mother and sister, to the French Riviera, where they spent some time. However, he had to return temporarily in February 1785, in order to give his support to Pitt’s parliamentary reforms. Milner accompanied him both back to England and on the return journey, and they used the time to read Philip Doddridge’s Rise and Progress of Religion in the Soul together, and later to study the New Testament. They were able to rejoin the party in Genoa, Italy, where they continued their tour to Spa, Switzerland. This is thought to have been the beginning of Wilberforce’s spiritual journey, and he began to rise early to read the Bible and pray, as well as to keep a personal private journal. He resolved to commit his future life and work wholly in the service of God. One of the people he sought guidance from was John Newton, the leading evangelical Anglican clergyman of the day and Rector of St Mary Woolnoth in the City of London. All those he received advice from, including Pitt, counselled him to remain in politics.”

    So how did he get to the Quakers?

    “In 1787, Sir Charles Middleton and Lady Middleton introduced Wilberforce at their house in Teston, Kent to the growing group campaigning against slave trade. Wilberforce, compelled by his strong Christian faith, was persuaded to become leader of the parliamentary campaign of the Committee for the Abolition of the Slave Trade.”

    Quakers could not be members of parliament but it did not mean they had no voice there!!

    So who was Wilberforce’s good buddy? …. William Pitt the younger who would become PM!!!

    “Wilberforce went up to St John’s College, Cambridge in 1776, where he immersed himself in the social round of the students, and felt little inclination to apply himself to serious study. Amongst these surroundings, he befriended the young William Pitt, who would become a lifelong friend. Although at first shocked by the goings on around him, he later pursued a somewhat hedonistic lifestyle himself, enjoying playing cards, gambling, and late-night drinking sessions – although he refrained from doing so to excess; the extreme behaviour of some of his fellow students he found distasteful and he never engaged in their sexual excesses. He was awarded B.A. in 1781 and M.A. in 1788.”

    So how you think all these networks came about?

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  • @ John,

    The matter of contemporary slavery has been raised on BU before, namely the terror in Libya and other Arab states. We cannot revise 17th and 18th century evil from the comfort of 2019. In any case, slavery aside, Quaker philanthropy has had an enormous impact on business in the UK.
    However, @John, have you looked at the 1680 Barbados census?

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  • I’ll ask the question one more time, which requires either “YES” or “NO”……….. and NOT a “biography” of Wilberforce.

    Are you suggesting that Pease, who entered the House of Commons in 1832, was able to convince the other members to pass a Bill in July 1833 and subsequently the House of Lords on August 1, 1833 to abolish slavery in the British Empire?

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  • Have you factored in the Great Awakenings from 1720 to 1860?

    Yes or no!!

    If you had you would understand what was going on and why to the simple minded that it was all down to Pease!!

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  • You still have not answered the question.

    I’ll make it simple for you……. FORGET IT.

    But, I’ll leave with this…… although the Quakers may have been involved in the anti-slavery movement, I DON’T believe there were solely responsible for the abolition of slavery. That’s MY opinion.

    Whereas, your view on the situation is overly biased, I prefer to be objective and examine information that supports or not support your position.

    Anyhow, dun wid you and dat.

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  • Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!

    Check Thomas Clarkson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Clarkson

    Then if you want answers, read his book written in 1807!!

    Q U A K E R I S M, TAKEN FROM A VIEW OF THE MORAL EDUCATION, DISCIPL.INE, PECULIAR CUSTOMS, RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES, POLITICAL AND CIVIL ECONOMY, AND CHARACTER, OF THE SOCIETY OF FRIENDS – By Thomas Clarkson, 1807

    “FROM the year 1787, when I began to devote my labours to the abolition of the Slave trade, I was thrown frequently into the company of the people called Quakers.

    These people had been then long unanimous upon this subject. Indeed, they had placed it among the articles of their religious discipline. Their houses were of course open to me in all parts of the kingdom, Hence I came to a knowledge of their living manners, which no other person who was not a Quaker, could have easily obtained.

    As soon as I became possessed of this knowledge, or at least of so much of it as to feet that it was considerable, I conceived a desire of writing their moral history.”

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  • “Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!”

    A typical, predictable white man response.

    And you are very selective relative to what comments you prefer to respond to.

    I wasn’t going to revisit this topic with you, but you seem to be implying because I don’t believe the Quakers were SOLELY responsible for the abolition of slavery………

    ………….means I’m in some sort of depth, waiting for a white man to enlighten and pull me out of that depth, on an issue you’re seeing through the white man’s perspective.

    In all your contributions about slavery and “bigging-up” the Quakers, I have NEVER SEEN YOU MADE ANY MENTION or REFERENCES of the work done by BLACK abolitionists such as Ignatius Sancho, Olaudah Equiano or Quobna Ottobah Cugoano.

    I mentioned these men in a previous contribution and you PURPOSELY IGNORED them, in favour of your white Quaker friends.

    You felt proud mentioning Pease was elected to the House of Commons at a time when Quakers were not allowed in parliament. You even implied Pease presence in parliament was some sort of “divine intervention” to save the slaves.

    I felt proud, and even more so than you, upon learning Ignatius Sancho, a Black man, who taught himself to read and write.
    spoke out against the slave trade.

    “He went on to compose music and write poetry and plays. In 1773, Sancho and his wife set up a grocer’s shop in Westminster. Sancho was very well known and his shop became a meeting place for some of the most famous writers, artists, actors and politicians of the day. As a financially-independent householder, he became the first black person of African origin to VOTE in parliamentary elections in Britain (1774 & 1780).”

    Olaudah Equiano, was a former enslaved African, seaman and merchant who wrote an autobiography depicting the horrors of slavery and LOBBIED Parliament for its abolition. He also formed the ‘Sons of Africa’, a group which campaigned for abolition through public speaking, letter writing and lobbying parliament.

    Quobna Ottobah Cugoano published a book in 1787 called ‘Thoughts and Sentiments on the Evil and Wicked Traffic of the Human Species’. Cugoano was the first published African critic of the Transatlantic Slave Trade and the first African to demand publicly the total abolition of the trade and the freeing of enslaved Africans.

    Equiano,Cugoano and Sancho also fought against slavery at a time when they were regarded as “chattel.” I believe the works of these men should NOT go UN-NOTICED or UNRECOGNIZED, simply because you are more sympathetic and biased towards the Quakers.

    You NOT mentioning the names and works of these early abolitionists, or those Africans who died during the revolts against slavery, those who lost their lives during the “middle passage” either by sickness or suicide or those who protested on the plantations, events which provided a basis for the white abolitionists fight their cause…….

    …………could similarly draw the comment re: “Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!”

    As I mentioned previously, I’m not DENYING the fact that Quakers played a role in the abolition of slavery, but I don’t believe they were SOLELY responsible for it being abolished. If that belief has kept in a “black hole” so be it. I won’t be waiting for a “white light” to usher me out.

    All I’m asking is that you should be a bit more FAIR and OBJECTIVE.

    However, I will not allow you to FORCE your opinions on me…… nor am I going to force my opinions on you.

    So, in the interest of peace and not prolonging the “discussion,”……..let’s “agree to disagree,

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  • *******So, in the interest of peace and not prolonging the “discussion” on a topic that is totally irrelevant to the substantive article……..let’s “agree to disagree.”

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  • 👍🏾👍🏾Mariposa version 2 👍🏾👍🏾

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  • In all your contributions about slavery and “bigging-up” the Quakers, I have NEVER SEEN YOU MADE ANY MENTION or REFERENCES of the work done by BLACK abolitionists such as Ignatius Sancho, Olaudah Equiano or Quobna Ottobah Cugoano.

    Olaudah Equiano, was a former enslaved African, seaman and merchant who wrote an autobiography depicting the horrors of slavery
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have quoted at length from the book, way back when!!

    Here are my comments …. from 2007 on Barbados Free Press!!

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2007/03/31/a-barbados-slave-i-now-wished-for-the-last-friend-death-to-relieve-me/

    I don’t think BU was around back then!!

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  • I have the book, in hard cover.

    Was given it way back when but can’t remember who gave it to me.

    It would have been years before I figured out the Quaker involvement!!

    I reckon I got there sometime between 2008 and 2010.

    History is a hobby of mine and has been for decades!!

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  • Artax
    May 15, 2019 7:16 PM

    “Let me see if I can help you as you flounder and struggle out of your depth!!”
    A typical, predictable white man response.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The reason I think you and many are out of their depths is because of the deep impact Christianity had on our past.

    I was there too … I relaise I got bare facts in history at school and never got the thread that made it all make sense.

    The thread is Christianity.

    Years ago I would have been uncomfortable and out of my depth too. so I know exactly how uncomfortable you are!!

    But, the story needs to be told, we need to be comfortable with our history and use it to our advantage if we want to find a way forward.

    I’ll continue to enjoy my hobby and freely share the results of my learning … scholarship if you like.

    Do whatever you like, because I am … and having a ball.

    I recognize and honour your right to choose.

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  • Hal Austin
    May 15, 2019 2:17 PM

    @ John,
    The matter of contemporary slavery has been raised on BU before, namely the terror in Libya and other Arab states. We cannot revise 17th and 18th century evil from the comfort of 2019. In any case, slavery aside, Quaker philanthropy has had an enormous impact on business in the UK.
    However, @John, have you looked at the 1680 Barbados census?

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    A fellow history hobbyist gave me a book by David Kent a while back.

    It contains that census and the one from 1715.

    You want any info from either?

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  • After Boeing made a warning signal optional on their Max 8 and after two crashes Boeing is not taking the blame instead it is blaming foreign pilots. Never mind the information about the warning signals was omitted from their manual it is the fault of the lousy “third world” foreign pilots. They should tell that to the American public who surely won’t be rushing to fly on the Max 8 when (when not if) it is cleared to fly as that’s a slam dunk. The man who was previously a Senior VP at Boeing has been nominated to be Trump’s Defense Secretary.

    Did I mention that after the crashes members of Congress made sure their staffs didn’t book them to fly home on the Max 8 after the crashes, maybe lousy third world pilots would have been at the controls too.

    Perhaps those foreign airlines shouldn’t buy Boeing products, then they wouldn’t be blamed when things go wrong.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/15/faa-chief-be-pressed-boeing-max-while-would-be-replacement-faces-questions-his-approach-air-safety/?utm_term=.bd2a1e42def8

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  • American Airlines grounded theirs … I missed a flight because of it in March.

    All were grounded in the US around that time.

    Sounds like it was artificial intelligence taking over the planes’ computers to kill humans.

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  • Piece the Legend

    @ John of Trifold stances

    This is 2019 and very fee people are going to go to a 2007 post IN A DEFUNCT WEBSITE WHICH PURPORTEDLY SOLD THE IP NAMES SND ADDRESSES OF IT USERS TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY

    The issue and problem that many of your readers have with you IS NOT YOUR SCHOLARSHIP it is your proactive “invalidation” of the worth of black people as you advance your scholarship.

    I am a black man who, while I might read more than most Sheeple find that, if I see no “balance” coming across in the writings of a person, be they either black or white, on topics where the divers contributions of parties is known, yet disturbingly absent from their subject matter, such causes me to say what I said earlier about you.

    You write on BU like if you fear sanction of other Bajan whites who come here and read as well.

    And if that seems bigoted to you dat is okay cause I is a black man and going be black till I dead.

    You have relied on a dated article to prove that at 2019 you are not a racist?

    But we are eternally grateful that at least once in 12 years, you gave us credit for our efforts. Thank you

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  • @ John

    The 1680 Census was interesting. It showed an over -representation of Quakers in Barbados (see Richard Ford’s New Map), which lists Quaker plantations and slaveowners (along with 54 Jewish householders and slave owners). The full report is lodged in the Public Records Office (The National Archives) in the Kew, South London.

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  • John May 15, 2019 10:10 PM

    RE…”But, the story needs to be told, we need to be comfortable with our history and use it to our advantage if we want to find a way forward.”

    One would have to be Blind in their Perception and Bias Understanding that John by his knowledge Displayed has not Commanded this Conversation with the HISTORICAL FACTS.

    David May 9, 2019 6:46 AM @John “You are spouting nonsense.”
    David May 9, 2019 9:23 AM … “Understand this, no White man will dictate how this blogmaster views certain events of our past unless empirical evidence supports it.”
    “May 10, 2019 9:18 AM …“Here is a Black man asking a White man to tell the blog how Blacks mistreated Blacks and assisted with their enslavement. Coming from a scholar no less. #steuspe

    David after all the Facts or “empirical evidence supports it” as you say revealed by John. Do you think what he has written is still nonsense? Alternatively, is it simply that the BU household with the exception of GP refuses to learn our History because the Orator is a White man?

    David John is the RIGHT Person to Pen Articles on Barbados and Caribbean History for BU his Knowledge of our History is Irrefutable….That is providing you think that people would be Interested in learning the Truth from a Christian Perspective and not only Distorted information from Marxist writers.

    DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE LEARNING, OR, DO WE ONLY LISTEN TO CERTAIN ORATORS, THAT FITS OUR NARRATIVE!

    INVITE JOHN TO PEN ARTICLES DAVID.

    Freedom for one would like to hear John’s take on… Indenture and slavery in Barbados

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  • I am sure we are all following the examination – leaked saga- at the BCC.

    Well when the dust is all settled – let’s hope…….the CULPRIT…..is not a ” Knight ” in shining armour !

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  • You have relied on a dated article to prove that at 2019 you are not a racist?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually, I have relied on it to show that I am aware of Olaudah Equiano and … believe it or not … have read his book.

    After reading it I was satisfied that there was a whole lot more to the story that needed to be understood.

    In other words I learnt and moved to a new position.

    I am still learning, still reading still trying to understand.

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  • Hal Austin
    May 16, 2019 5:01 AM

    @ John
    The 1680 Census was interesting. It showed an over -representation of Quakers in Barbados (see Richard Ford’s New Map), which lists Quaker plantations and slaveowners (along with 54 Jewish householders and slave owners). The full report is lodged in the Public Records Office (The National Archives) in the Kew, South London.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ford was a Quaker.

    I haven’t done that family’s genealogy but suspect one of his descendants is buried in the “Old Churchyard” in Maxwell Coast Road, 1772.

    From my understanding of the map every family on it was Quaker!!

    I think the map was an inventory of plantations owned by Quakers.

    You will notice there are no parish boundaries.

    It wasn’t until 1722 that Mayo surveyed them.

    Also, no forts are shown but they are shown on Mayo.

    Some feel that it was because as a Quaker he was a pacifist and left them out.

    Could be.

    By 1680, if you read Besse, numerous Quakers had been fined, put in stocks, whipped and in various ways punished for among other infractions, not contributing to the upkeep of forts.

    The absence of serious fortifications to my mind demonstrates the paucity of worldly possessions … there was nothing to take!!

    Like the Puritans before them, the Quakers also supported the return of the Jews to England after their expulsion in 1290 by Edward “Longshanks”.

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  • Artax
    May 15, 2019 7:16 PM

    A typical, predictable white man response.

    Piece the Legend
    May 16, 2019 4:19 AM

    @ John of Trifold stances

    You have relied on a dated article to prove that at 2019 you are not a racist?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So, PTL, seeing you are an expert on spotting a racist, what say you of Atrax.

    Does the statement of Atrax “A typical, predictable white man response” qualify this blogger as a racist?

    … or would you say it is just a touch of colour prejudice.

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  • “Does the statement of Atrax “A typical, predictable white man response” qualify this blogger as a racist?”

    Let me answer that for you.

    The type of comments you post to BU and the way you romanticize slavery makes me believe you are a racist.

    If by my comment, of which I do not offer any apology……coupled with the fact that I’m not fond of white people nor do I trust them or their motives, causes you to believe I’m a racist……. then, so be it. I don’t care.

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  • An unapologetic racist!!

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  • … who hates white people!!

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  • I guess those three white dudes LOVED Emmett Till

    Here are some examples of how you guys LOVE black people:

    Between 1882 and 1968 mobs lynched 4,733 people in the USA, 70% of who were of Africa origin.

    ttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/87/c5/6b/87c56bafe2fe3476b6d89422eb188ef0.jpg

    Can’t you feel the love coming from those photos?

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