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Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. –Eighth Amendment, US Constitution

It has been a long time in gestation, a not uncommon characteristic of some Barbadian legislation, if we are to have regard to legislation such as the Employment Rights Act, the Safety and Health at Work Act, the Integrity in Public Life Bill, and the promised statute to facilitate the medical use of marijuana. It is now with us.

I am referring to the Bill recently debated in both Chambers of Parliament entitled the Proceeds and Instrumentalities of Crime Bill which declares its aim in the long title as one “to provide for the recovery of proceeds and instrumentalities of crime and generally reform the law relating to persons who benefit from criminal conduct.” This title. However, betrays little indication of the most notable intendment of the Bill, the institution of a regime of civil or in rem forfeiture of an individual’s assets believed, on a balance of probabilities, to have been derived from criminal activity.

According to my research, it was back in August 2013 that the Honourable Attorney General [as he then was], Mr Adriel Brathwaite, officially confirmed what had been touted by others previously; that Barbados “was looking at a model law under which assets believed to be the proceeds of crime may be forfeited”. He was nevertheless careful to concede then that there had been some concern about the constitutionality of civil forfeiture and stated further “it was important to have the right legislative framework in place…”

Since then, the current Office of the Attorney General declared through its Permanent Secretary last year that Government was considering the effect of civil forfeiture legislation and, though limited to public officials, the Integrity in Public Life Bill contains one aspect of civil forfeiture in Clause 57 – that of being in possession of unexplained wealth, though without the final consequence of its confiscation.

(1) Where a person who is or was a public official is suspected to be in possession of property or a pecuniary resource disproportionate to such person’s known sources of income, the Commission, upon a complaint or of its own motion, may summon the person to produce evidence that the property or resource was lawfully obtained.

(2) A person referred to in subsection (1) who fails to produce satisfactory evidence to prove that the possession of the property or pecuniary resource was acquired by lawful means is guilty of an offence and is liable, on summary conviction, to a fine and to imprisonment for not less than 6 months or more than 3 years.

Essentially, civil forfeiture law, such as that contained in the Bill under debate allows the state to confiscate cash; cars, homes and other property suspected of being involved in or obtained through criminal activity. Unlike in the case of criminal forfeiture, the property owner doesn’t have to be charged with, let alone be convicted of, a crime to permanently lose his property.

It is also called in rem forfeiture because it is the property (the res) and not the individual that the state proceeds against. In other words, the impugned property is the proper defendant and hence we are likely to hear in future of cases intituled AG v. US$100, 000 or AG v. Two gold Rolex watches.

At first blush, as hinted by the former AG, the concept of civil forfeiture appears to run counter to the Barbadian notion of fairness, in that it resembles a governmental taking of property without fair compensation (state robbery) and that it seems to ignore the constitutionally guaranteed criminal procedure protections such as the presumption of innocence and the standard of proof. In consequence, the principle does not find ready favour with the general lay public. So that while from press reports, a number of local parliamentarians spoke firmly in support of the initiative, one unaccredited US poll found that 8% only of those questioned strongly supported civil forfeiture while 36% strongly opposed it. And, as for the practice of law enforcement agencies being permitted to keep 100% of forfeited property or to use it or to keep the proceeds from its sale for their own use, a mere 7% were in strong support while 44% strongly opposed it. No such provision exists in the local Bill.

On the other hand, civil forfeiture seeks to take away the ill-gotten gains of the criminal who is able to evade prosecution by never getting his or her hands dirty. Moreover, as argued in a Federalist Society paper of May 1987, while drug proceeds can be forfeited either civilly or criminally, firearms, gambling proceeds vehicles used to smuggle illegal aliens and counterfeiting paraphernalia may only be forfeited civilly. Barbados has covered this lacuna by providing for the civil forfeiture of the instrumentalities –property used in connection with the unlawful conduct- Clause 69 (1) (ii).

It is also argued that criminal forfeiture requires a conviction for the crime giving rise to the forfeiture and if the accused is dead or a fugitive, there can be no prosecution and therefore no criminal forfeiture. The new Bill avoids this by providing for forfeiture where the accused absconds –Clause 51 (1).

Third, and perhaps most important, the argument runs, criminal forfeiture is limited to the property of the defendant. If the defendant uses someone else’s property to commit the crime, criminal forfeiture accomplishes nothing and civil forfeiture only will reach the property. Again, Barbados has covered this loophole, as already stated, by providing for the civil forfeiture of the instrumentalities.

Nevertheless, the government has decided that Barbados will go the way of civil forfeiture, as have some other regional jurisdictions. The individual who is aggrieved by forfeiture will now face the prospect of having to retain legal counsel to recover his or her property. Of course, a constitutional challenge to the validity of the concept is still possible and some comfort might be had from the US Supreme Court ruling in February of this year in Timbs v Indiana that a civil asset forfeiture may violate the protection against excessive fines found in the Eighth Amendment to the US Constitution. According to the unanimous ruling –

Indiana argues that the Clause does not apply to its use of civil [in rem] forfeitures, but this Court held in Austin v. United States, 509 U. S. 602, that such forfeitures fall within the Clause’s protection when they are at least partially punitive. Indiana cannot prevail unless the Court overrules Austin or holds that, in light of Austin, the Excessive Fines Clause is not incorporated because its application to civil in rem forfeitures is neither fundamental nor deeply rooted.

The nearest local equivalent to the Eighth Amendment is to be found in section15 (1) of our Constitution. This provides-

No person shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading punishment or other treatment.

It is at least doubtful, however, whether regional judges would be willing to hold that this section confers the same protection as the Eighth Amendment does. Indeed, in a 2017 decision of the Eastern Caribbean Court of Appeal, their Lordships flatly rejected an argument from the appellant, Ahmed Williams, that civil forfeiture constituted inhuman treatment. In its view, it had long been established that the protection from inhuman treatment under the Constitution was…concerned with a person’s protection from bodily impairment only and was not related to property”. Nor did it “infringe protections under the Constitution concerning the presumption of innocence and double jeopardy since it was civil in nature”.

This decision clearly stands in the way of any claimant who asserts that civil forfeiture is unconstitutional on these bases


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87 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Illicit Property? -Civil forfeiture is here”

  1. Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right Avatar
    Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right

    It am not so sure now.

    In fact, I wonder if You in fact have the job?

    As informatively as these are one cannot necessarily see their objective.

    On the one hand it might seem that the articles are academically explorative but then, in the spiel that follows by sheeple and people, it would seem as if it is a test of some type

    A sounding, not really to ascertain if people are understanding what is happening BUT IF THEY CARE RNOUGH TO COMMENT

    AND TO BE COUNTED AMONG THOSE WHO COMMDNT…EITHER FOR OR AGAINST!

    If I did not know better I would swear that you have attained the job he heheheheh but that would mean that they are achieving optimal settings

    Means that more work has to be done AND THE FIGHT HAS TO INTENSIFY

  2. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Ya see Enuff in LaLa Land…that is a fraud legislation, 20 year statute of limitations indeed…lol

    ……just like the fraud integrity committee…ha, ha, ha..


  3. great..hopefully they will seize my wife cause I havent been able to figure out how I have been able to afford her all these years.


  4. Jeff

    It would be of interest to ascertain which of the agencies in government will carrying out the audit to enforce the forfeiture? Or somebody is going to get one day and say( Piece the aspiring politician has a $400, 000 house, $100, 000 Mercedes, and only make $100, 000 a year, so let us investigate him …?

  5. Jeff Cumberbacth Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbacth

    It would be of interest to ascertain which of the agencies in government will carrying out the audit to enforce the forfeiture? Or somebody is going to get one day and say( Piece the aspiring politician has a $400, 000 house, $100, 000 Mercedes, and only make $100, 000 a year, so let us investigate him …?

    @Lexicon,

    69.(1) (a)
    (b)
    This Part has effect for the purposes of enabling
    the Recovery Authority to recover in civil proceedings before the Court, property which is, or represents
    (i) property obtained through unlawful conduct;
    (ii) property used in, or in connection with, or intended to be used in, or in connection with, unlawful conduct; and
    property which is, or represents, property obtained through unlawful conduct, or which is intended to be used in unlawful conduct, to be forfeited in civil proceedings.
    The powers conferred by this Part are exercisable in relation to any property, including cash, whether or not proceedings have been brought for an offence in connection with the property.

    “Recovery Authority” means the Attorney-General;


  6. @Jeff
    Civil forfeiture is part of the legal/judicial process in many jurisdictions; Is it abused? Most certainly yes and will it be abused in Barbados? Most certainly “Affirmative” to that also.

    Here is a Court ruling supporting seizure of funds in New Brunswick

    https://www.canlii.org/en/nb/nbqb/doc/2017/2017nbqb18/2017nbqb18.html


  7. @Sargeant

    What are you suggesting- we do nothing when there is clear evidence criminal proceeds is the reason some are living high on the hog in jobs that do not support. Should we not support the government if it strengthens the laws to help with uprooting corruption?


  8. the moral of the story is you can get into a whole lot of trouble if you are the wrong tint…agreed


  9. @David

    Pls read what I wrote again, I am stating that it is part of the legal process and is often abused I am not proposing that we do nothing.


  10. Is the abuse addressed when exposed from your experience?

    What is the cost benefit to use a term of having a law that supports forfeiture.


  11. Thanks Jeff


  12. that was a reasonable explanation of proceeds of crime law. nothing new about Bim’s laws. they follow well established regimes already in existence. this is long overdue and was one of the reasons Bim was so roundly criticised by CFAT when it reviewed Bim’s regulatory process some years ago.

    Jeff mentioned issues wrt the USA and rightly pointed out that the leeway granted to Law Enforcement in the US re retaining the proceeds of criminal activity is not present in our legislation. in addition decisions in US courts whilst noteworthy are not legally persuasive or binding upon our courts.

    the civil part of the proceeds of crime pertain to the property seized or in question and the burden of proof as to whether it is proceeds of criminal activity (which is what the layperson usually refer to as money laundering). the judge adjudicates the matter on the balance of probability which means that it is more likely than not to have occurred (civil standard) and not beyond a reasonable doubt as obtains in criminal offences.

    sometimes the layperson believe that police officers could just place persons in court and asked them to prove how they obtain some particular property. in some jurisdictions there are laws that could do just that although it is not as simplistic as that example but in our proposed legislation there must be a predicate or underlying criminal offence which is the criminal activity portion of the criminal property.

    this legislation is long overdue and necessary to capture those criminal activities not named in the previous legislation which mostly surrounded drug activity and not even then did Bim seized much criminal property.

    but this is only part of the whole. the practical application of the law is daunting and those whose duty it is to carry out this function will need training. that includes the police, lawyers and especially the judiciary. for every crime that attracts this legislation and there is criminal proceeds a charge of ML should be attached by the police. lawyers should know that this will happen and the judiciary must be prepared to apply the penalties described in law.

    then there is the issue of disposable of the property when the court rules in favour of the state. i suspect that author will want to deal with this at some later stage so i will not go into it any further.


  13. Sergeant

    The defendant was in the world of trouble … but officer was wrong to seizured the defendant cash without a warrant … however, the defendant has right the to be secure in his person, papers, house and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, but upon probable cause supported by and oath or affirmation particularly describing the place, person or thing to be seized..


  14. @David
    This isn’t about me, I made a statement and there are plenty of examples to go around however when one is battling “City Hall” it is an uphill battle.

    Sometimes the abuse is addressed if it is publicized and the property is seized from a sympathetic group or person (like the example below) and they are able to publicise the issue

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/26/why-oklahoma-cops-are-returning-53000-to-a-christian-band-an-orphanage-and-a-church/?utm_term=.4db58bca7a5a


  15. @Sargeant

    Not making it about you. Just want to confront the popular argument against this kind of legislation.


  16. We have to do something about corruption because it is killing us. We also have to protect against an over zealous state. The law has to find balance. It is a normal tension. There will be abuses. There should be a mechanism for speedy resolution through the courts.

    That is what a healthy justice system does. The problem here is that we move way too slowly.

    I am not going to attempt to comment on this law because I think that is always going to be complex and beyond me at present. Instead I will explore ways in which it would be difficult to prove that one gained substantial wealth through legal means.

    If it was bequeathed in a will there are records. If given by deed of gift there are records. If won in a lottery there are records. If earned through legitimate business activity there should be records.

    I will think some more or maybe somebody else can help me.

    Still thinking… a suitcase of cash as a gift?


  17. @Donna

    You mentions important word/ slowly.

    Why has this law taken almost a decade to reach this point at a time both parties have included corruption as a priority issue?

  18. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “Recovery Authority” means the Attorney-General;”

    My translation…more properties getting tief…more abuse and misuse of the UK Crown….to tief and keep what dont belong to government ministers, lawyers and minorities..

    They are still to lock up anyone from DLP for theftmof public funds…. which is already legislated as criminal with the accompanying powers of arrestl….or fraud….already also legislated as a criminal act which can attract criminal arrest….but these tricksters Mia, Dale Whistleblower et al….are trying to sidestep that to bamboozle the voters…still and shamelessly….

    But…..ticktock


  19. Well if blp gonna lock up anyone they have to look amongst them own
    Reason why they dont have the guts to pursue any illegalties against individuals or entities


  20. Sergeant

    How was it abuse if the cop did what he thought was right, and Christian organization exercised its due process under law and regained what was rightfully theirs … It is no more different than a cop who tickets you for a moving infraction, and you exercise your due process, but going to court, and proving to a judge that the moving infraction was illegal.


  21. Sergeant

    If a cop stops me for moving infraction on my way to the bank with $100, 000 in cash on the back seat of my car, and I fail to give him a reasonable explanation as to why I have so much cash in possession … then he has all right to seize my cash until I can convince him further that the cash is legitimately mine.


  22. Abigail

    Just like your initial comment on the other blog, you are still confused.

  23. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Sure…am confused, but in my confused state…ya gotta love how the british DOCUMENTS EVERYTHING…

    ah heard yall tried to get original docs from the brits re the land and properties YALL STOLE ON THE ISLAND……..and the Brits said hell no…lol

    This is may be the one and only time i stand with them…

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/estate/view/830

  24. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    lol….yall thought ya can bamboozle the brits…get the original docs for the properties on the island…rewrite the whole thing with ya fraudulent selves and cover all ya crimes where ya stole properties from 3 generations of bajans…from the 1940s to present…..

    but…no cigar…ha, ha, ha..

    Give me a P
    Give me an R
    Give me an I
    Give me an S
    Give me an O
    Give me an N

    yep…


  25. Unable to contribute as some of this stuff is above my weight class but I will not let that stop me (I gun punch above my weight).

    I will not be distracted by ‘good’ or ‘bad’ laws or the ‘inequity’ of punishment for crimes, but will state…
    “You can have all the laws in the world and make up a few to add to them, but if no one enforces these laws then they are just fancy words on paper. The paper could be best used for other purposes,”

    Wasn’t it just a few months ago, they were inventing flawed integrity legislation?
    ——————-XX YY XX———————-

    I noticed that Jeff is using the phrases “civil forfeiture” and “criminal forfeiture”. It seem as if at times in the US there is a blurring of the two.

    I am strongly opposed to “civil forfeiture” as I know it in the US. It has become just another way for police departments to fund themselves (legally or illegally).
    https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/taken/2019/01/29/civil-forfeiture-vehicle-seizures-south-carolina-drug-transport-mistakes-occur/2457679002/

    In highly partisan political environment such as we are, civil forfeiture in the hands of a weak/corrupt police department could ruin (perceived) ‘political’ opponents. Note that anybody can be a political opponent. Let’s FIRST go after corrupt politician……

    Voting above my weight class… I say no to civil forfeiture….


  26. David March 17, 2019 9:27 AM

    @Donna

    Why has this law taken almost a decade to reach this point at a time both parties have included corruption as a priority issue?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Easy! It has taken this long because the beneficiaries were benefiting.

    The real question is – why has it finally appeared?

    I would hazard a guess that the corruption has reached the point where it has killed the golden goose.

    The public was always aware of the corruption but were not as agitated because they were still getting basic services at a level that they could accept. This is no longer so. Almost everyone except the beneficiaries is feeling the strain. And even that cannot last. They will feel it in some way. We are too small for it not to be so.

    It has reached a critical point where veiled threats of “cracking some heads” were seen as necessary. One should not trust the quiet man who just smiles when taken advantage of I always heard because one day he just erupts like a riot in 1937.

    Here we are in a time when the DLP has been obliterated by the electorate. We don’t want to see them resurrected. We don’t want to hear one RH from them.

    What are we left with? A leader who has no opposition. We cannot even fool ourselves that we have a voice anymore.

    We are backed into a corner. If things don’t improve we have nowhere to go.

    Cornered rats are known to be dangerous.


  27. TheO,

    Quite true. it is just on paper. No guarantee it will be enforced any time soon. But at least they understand that we are watching. They know they have to do a little more to keep us fooled. It is the first step that we have made them take. I am sure we will have to drag them kicking and screaming into taking the second step.


  28. The perpetrators of corruption are aware of increasing scrutiny brought by social media. It is very important influencers of non traditional media nurture and protect the credibility quotient. By its freewheeling nature a difficult undertaking but we must try.

  29. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “I would hazard a guess that the corruption has reached the point where it has killed the golden goose”

    lol…wuhloss!!!!…and then some..


  30. “Well if blp gonna lock up anyone they have to look amongst them own”
    One of the two worst arguments I have seen to explain action/inaction
    (1) The DLP did the same
    (2) The BLP did the same
    Result: The good ship Barbados is unable to change course.

  31. William Skinner Avatar

    It baffles me that hundreds of people who owe millions in income tax are let off the hook but we are now going after those who cannot prove how they got a house , car etc.
    If not paying taxes is illegal we should have gone after thier houses and cars as well.
    Seems we have two legal systems.
    We can’t go after one set of criminals and turn a blind eye to those who amass fortunes by refusing to pay the state its due.
    Crime is crime!


  32. It lies in the fact that it is hard for the pot to call the kettle black.Not gonna happen
    In that fact lies the core of the rotten apple


  33. Why are you baffled? You know why these things are done. To benefit the beneficiaries.

    We only have one legal system. The mock mock one that pretends crimes are only perpetrated by the lower class.


  34. Wuhlaus! Mariposa is right, It is not an excuse. It is a reason. Fact.

    Wuhlaus!


  35. I laughed out loud when people call or expect Mottley to launch or prosecute any one suspected of illegalities
    Fools you all are
    Listen to the many voices who have been showing and giving evidence as to the many illegalties surrounding some of her minister s .Not a peeping word comes from Mottley word to adress the matters
    Issues that are attached to transparency and accountability
    B.C.or D actions that are called upon (for)and by this present govt to address


  36. @William

    This is not an issue for us to go political. We must attack crime on all fronts. Tax collection is the usual issue and enforcement. This is why some of us are concerned the same culture will prevail. We will implement the legislation but…


  37. Continue to make all our problems about Mottley. The problems as a result of corruption existed before Mottley.


  38. Where is the Barbados gets blacklisted again article? I want to know if there will be any type of blame this time around.


  39. Mottley is head of govt
    Then it is to her and her Ministers these questions should be directed
    No!!!!

  40. SirFuzzy (Former Sheep) Avatar
    SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    I will just say one thing about this. Barbados has a good record of passing progressive or modern looking/sounding legislation etc, however we have been regressing as it comes to the “enforcement” in a fair manner of the many laws on the books Added to that the “eternal” wait that the Courts take before justice is weighed or handed out/down. This bajan thinking “that god must be a bajan” seems to reside in the legal system as an eternity in court processing is par of the course?

    Yip Yip ohray for the new proposed legislation. let see how well we do in the enforcement arena. In another blog dealing with “civil matters” it was reported that “child mothers” and “child fathers” routinely defy protection orders handed down by the courts. Now them ppls are the “small ups” or “non-big shots” in the society. Imagine what can be the outcome if this proposed laws intersects with the “big ups” in a negative manner. At this point that movie(crimal proceeding etc) stops being an “action adventure or thriller” movie and becomes a ” “musical/comedy”, cause nuff nuff jokes and laugher will be in the rum shoppe; sorry court house etc. In other words nothing will likely come of it. Integrity FC (0) vs corruption FC (1) will be the score, another away win for the corruption FC.

    Just my thoughts.


  41. Again this is not a political issue.

    Say we agree the BLPites politicized it.

    Now the DLPites politicizes it.

    Does it solve the problem the country is facing at this time?

    If the current state of the country has not been able to encourage a national focus to problem solving away from the adversarial approach nothing well.


  42. Again this is not a political issue.
    Say we agree the BLPites politicized it.
    Now the DLPites is politicalizing it.
    Does it solve the problem the country is facing at this time?
    If the current state of the country has not been able to encourage a national focus to problem solves away from the adversarial approach nothing well.(Quote)

    This is a good example of why I get angry with the chairman. If he is playing Devil’s Advocate, I do not agree with that approach. The man just does not understand the role of government. IT IS A POLITICAL ISSUE.

  43. William Skinner Avatar

    @ David
    Where are you standing?My comment was just that. Nothing political. There are citizens of all political persuasions, who were given a break for breaking the law and not paying :taxes, VAT, national insurance deductions they took out of the employees’ pay packs etc.
    These are illegal acts and they should have also paid the penalties or have their property taken over by the state. Robbery is robbery!
    It is you who always jump in and accuse people of being political.
    You better than most know I have no political axe to grind.
    Kindly act with maturity and leave your infantile gutter sniping out of what I have to say on BU.
    Thanks.


  44. The word ‘politicalization’ of the health issue is used in a cultural context. If you are unable to deduce the nuance in the comment say so and it can be explained. If you do not agree you are free to do so to state the office. Now carry on smartly.


  45. This govt roles out a table on matters of Transparency and accountability
    Iis it not the right and duty of citizen to expect govt to lead by example
    Shouldnt judgement not start in the house of Parliament This


  46. @Willian

    Why don’t you reread the comment posted. Debt forgiveness is done by all government. People become delinquent for many reasons. That said we all agree there is a lack of enforcement and inefficient tax collection. Again if you want a further explanation ask a question instead of exposing your drawers.


  47. The word ‘politicalization’ of the health issue is used in a cultural context.(Quote)

    ???????????? How can people on BU tolerate this level of intelligence without saying a word? The man is obviously a Barbados Scholar.


  48. David,

    not all Govts forgive debts. i believe you are referring to Bim’s Govt and income taxes is quite a different animal than VAT.

    VAT is paid by the customers to be passed onto Govt for the benefit of the population at large. VAT is not a profit to the various businesses from items customers purchased.

    if VAT is not passed on it should be viewed as theft and the onus should not be on BRA to collect such taxes but on the various businesses to pass it on.

    if we forgive VAT now businesses will do it again and again

    they should be no debt forgiveness for VAT. none whatsoever and any Govt so doing should be voted out forthwith


  49. In other words to break it down is ABC language- we are all in this TOGETHER. We ALL have to play our part. The political partisans blaming B and D will got move the matter forward.

    We look forward to your apology to Dr. St, John the survey has been fully explained.

    You may have the last Rh word.


  50. Part 1
    ‘On 12 March, the Council of the 28-nations European Union (EU) placed 15 small territories on a list of what it calls “non-cooperative jurisdictions”. What the EC considers these territories to be “non-cooperative” about reveals the raw exercise of power by the strong over the weak. In this case, the firm intention of the EU is to impose its tax policies upon other nations through strong-arming’, including Barbados.

    The EU is an UN-elected Bureaucratic Body dictating to the Sovereign States within the EU their World View. The EU is in danger of being broken up and with the Advent of BREXIT they are looking for ways to get more money. They are Jealous that by the International Rules that were created by the Big Countries that some small States have Out Maneuvered these Big State Blocks in getting Revenue that the EU does Not Control.

    Even the US has Low Tax Areas doing the same things that we in Barbados are doing but they wouldn’t say anything about that. To give a practical Example of how money flows, Texas and Florida are no Income Tax States and they are gaining Population Growth by People moving from the Higher Tax States to Lower Tax States. This means that people move their money to Lower Tax Areas. Why should you work to give Government more money than they already get? Their Appetite for what is not theirs is Insatiable. They will take anything under the Guise of Law and not what is Right or Morally Right but what they want using the Heavy hand of the Law.

    Remember when they passed money laundering laws in Barbados? It was under the Guise of going after the Bad Boys the Drug Men! That has now been expanded that even if a Vendor has a Bank account and used to save a hundred dollars a week and her son came to visit from overseas and gives her a thousand dollars that she puts on the Bank, notwithstanding (the Ten Thousand Dollar Guide lines) the Bank Tellers have been trained to report the Thousand Dollar Deposit because it was unusual activity, that the Vendor is now a suspect of being a money launderer. That same Law had Asset Forfeiture attached to it.

    https://cdn.quotesss.com/static/authors/f/17755_frederic_bastiat/quotes/frederic_bastiat_quote_sometimes_the_law_defends_plunder_and_participates_403481_180720.png

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