Mia Mottley Government and the Goose

Submitted by The Mahogany Coconut Group

The Mahogany Coconut Group (MCG), joins with all Barbadians in wishing the newly elected Barbados Labour Party government, all the best as it takes over from the badly beaten Democratic Labour Party, whose ten years stay at the wicket, is best described as anemic and unsuccessful. The former prime minister, Mr. Freundel Stuart displayed not only poor leadership skills but bad manners by scarcely having any meaningful dialogue with the public. He chose mainly to address constituency branches of his party.

The public therefore gave Stuart and his miserable group the severe beating it deserved by giving the then opposition Barbados Labour Party under the leadership of Ms. Mia Mottley, all thirty parliamentary seats. The Democratic Labour Party will have to find a way to make itself once again relevant to the political process.

We also congratulate, Ms. Mia Mottley on becoming the first female prime minister of Barbados. We know Ms. Mottley as a seasoned politician. She has gone through the hottest fires and has emerged as one made of the finest steel; we will now await her performance as a leader

The MCG having closely followed the election of May 24th, 2018, must sadly conclude, that both parties have determined that the real cure of the country’s economic ailments are to be found in the IMF’s medicine chest. Hence as expected the country will be heading straight to the International Monetary Fund, for some very bitter medicine. Fifty years after Independence, and with literally thousands of University of the West Indies (UWI) graduates occupying our Caribbean landscape, we still cannot get our economies functioning at any progressive level.

Barbados, to all intents and purposes, is a one sector economy, depending almost exclusively on the tourism industry to keep its growth in any proper shape. Over the last ten years the government of the Democratic Labour Party failed to devise any sustainable economic policy.

Ms. Mottley has been given a warm welcome by all the major players, including the Social Partnership, which includes trade unions, business organizations and other interest groups. While we wish the new Barbados government all the best, we fear that once the IMF gets its predatory claws into the affairs of the country, escape may prove difficult, if not impossible.

Ms. Mottley has already delivered a mini-budget, which was nothing more than an instrument to raise taxes and deliver some promises made by her party during the elections. These included reinstating payment for university education and an increase to old age pensioners.

However, citizens are waiting to see what kind of restructuring program the country will enter under the IMF. Any underperformance of the tourism industry will be disastrous to the island’s economy. The great irony of Ms. Mottley’s mini budget, is the fact that it attempts to extract money from the very tourists, who it is inviting to assist with the country’s current predicament.

We can only hope that she does not kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

323 comments

  • One would have thought that the brains sitting at the table creating this budget would have first thought about the spend it takes for international tourist to come to this island barbados is not a cheap destination and expecting tourist to pay barbados debt at such a huge cost is insulting

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  • William the tourism sector has expressed concern like you that increasing taxes on the sector will have a deleterious effect. It is interesting that all the critiques coming in about this possible impact by commentators like yourself conflicts with previous positions held that the private sector needs to step up and dont leave it to government?

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  • Tourist can stay home, it will expose the true nature of all things, stop looking at the air and sea ports when the crooks are here, The tourist and returning Nationals were robbed by both parties of crooks and liars,Lawyer and Minister alike, We need to build our cake and the tourist is the icing. The level of Land Fraud and crime must and shall be exposed, We need not need other people to come here to take care of self, Grow food, Medical care, housing, education and we shall be fine, Vote buying and much money have us sick , DBLP , BBLP looking past the people after voting, Cover up by media made things even worse,

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  • @David

    Adding significant TAXES to the tourism sector is NOT THE PRIVATE TOURISM SECTOR STEPPING UP, ITS MERELY REGRESSIVE TAXATION. Putting extra financial burden on the tourist and tourism operators is doing nothing more than reducing the business operators bottom line. Less business, less employment, less revenue etc etc the downward spiral continues.

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  • Tourism is a fragile industry. Asking the tourist to help in our economic woes is nothing short of insanity. Governments must realise that tourist in Europe and American can find cheaper destinations than here in Barbados. Portugal, Spain and the Medittranean countries are way cheaper. Realise that the tourists DO NoT have to come to Barbados. Except for the rich and famous the average tourist must save for years in order to take a vacation. :We must begin to look at agriculture and realise that importing miliions of dollars in foreign food will make us poore.

    It is going to be interesting to see what the others measures look like. We have not learn anything trom Greece. Those who don’t learn from history tend to repeat the same mistakes.

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  • @Wily

    Is there a fiscal policy or program the government can come up with that will not cause financial sacrifice?

    She met with the social partnership and socialized her plans as much as was practical? The government has the flexibility to adjust based on how objectives are met and actors affected.

    The reality is that Barbados is walking a path not travelled before and harsh decisions will have to be taken and sacrifice made by all. It is a shame we are here after ten years of austerity under the DLP. They have been relegated to political obscurity for their poor effort.

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  • What we should learn from Greece is that a country must earn to cover expenses. And people who do not want to die will miss out on going to heaven.

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  • Yes all would agree that private sector should step up . however look who first go their biggest piece of the pie none other than the private sector when Mottley gave them a huge sum of the treasury money in tax write offs at a time when the country is struggling to make ends meet and she singlehandedly declared a default on the countries debt
    Also what about the ZR sector should they continue to charge low fees as the gas prices continue to rise along with the additional tax applied
    This budget when implemented would turn out to be the countries worst nightmare.

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  • I remember the days of watching the BBC’s “Yes Minister” and “Yes Prime Minister”. The character in the series Sir Humphrey(Nigel Hawthorne) in one episode reminded the minister “Jim Hacker” that MPs are insignificant in the whole scheme of things in the Westminster model. There is the Queen, the government(administration), the loyal opposition(opposing party members) and the permanent opposition(civil service). Sir Humphrey goes on to say MPs come and MPs go, PMs come and PMs go; but the civil service is here to stay. The head(PM) of Govt. is always controlled by its neck. The neck and all below always turn the head in the direction it chooses. The neck and all below is the civil service. He ended his presentation with his often polite comment. “Will there be anything mister minister” before closing the door on his way out, without giving the minister an opportunity to respond. The role and nature of the civil service is key if positive reforms are to be made in the times ahead. Unfortunately, the civil service is the ultimate survivor, it is not known to be suicidal, and will fight tooth and nail against reforms that will lessen it ability to turn the neck. After all MPs and PMs come an go but the civil service is here to stay.

    Many promises made and some of the promises have been kept. The road ahead will be long and hard. As a bajan i am not very happy that almost all of our eggs are in a tissue paper basket(tourism), but it is what it is. The measures announced will only work(if workable) if “all ah we” work towards the common good. We are dependant on tourism but we must devise ways of getting as many other less fickle industries/sectors to become mini powerhouses. Given this world and its recent past. Tourism will stumble and fall, due to event(s) outside our control. What happens to Barbados in that event. We need to re-look and rethink agriculture and things that are locally based as we have more control over them. Agriculture is not a panacea, but if agriculture is firing on all cylinders it will lessen the pressure on tourism and any other sector. We may need to rethink our economic model and get some new blood in the economic arena. The old thinking and models probably got us in the position we are in today.

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  • Setting a precedent for Private sector to enjoy the benefits of tax write off sets a trap for govt by sending the wrong message to the private sector one which states that govt is not serious in pursuing legal actions againts the abritators who disregard the law

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  • Either Bajans REALLY do not understand how dire our situation is
    …… or Bushie was right all along about the brass bowl business,

    There are no longer and ‘good’ solutions…. PERIOD!!

    All that is possible now is survival …..MAYBE!!
    …and THAT will require sacrifice ….LOTS OF IT.
    Perhaps even of the order of sacrificing lives ….and of status ….and of money.

    That Bajans can SERIOUSLY expect to continue with business as usual – when we now know that we have been living it up on OTHER PEOPLE’s MONEY through borrowing, begging, grants, and bribes ….to the point now where everyone is TIRED of our parasitic brass bowlery – and no longer prepared to give us money…

    Even the new PM seems to not grasp how serious the situation is…
    The political gimmick of giving free education at this stage; … of giving pay raises to public servants may be good POLITICS, but the stark REALITY is that these can only be short-lived cosmetics – given the long, hard road ahead.

    Fundamental changes are NEEDED in the national way of doing business. The days of inexperienced, un-initiated, grass roots ‘ministers’ taking unilateral control of national resources must be ended – and professional, experienced, trained and proven managers appointed to run these various ministries….. hopefully, that is what the czars are intended to be…

    Bajans need to look around in our world and OBSERVE the reality of what happens to people who do not earn their keep….It is NOT at all pleasant.
    We have had a charmed history so far….
    But what aint pass yuh ain’t catch yuh….

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  • exministers should go to prison for this type of misuse and abuse of taxpayer’s money…this one brought in a consultant at over 20,000 a month, plus perks, yet he only worked 2 weeks a month and brought in other Trini workers to share in the scam.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/166576/duguid-surprise-visit-bus-depot

    “He said he paid a surprise visit to the depot at Mangrove in St Philip on Sunday, unannounced, “but a birdie had told me to go and have a look up there” where he saw bus after bus without an engine – almost 40 of them.

    The minister said the former board had brought in a consultant who brought in other workers from Trinidad, and paid him a massive salary to only work two weeks a month.

    He said the engines that were installed did not work, which contributed to the shortfall of the bus fleet, but said he had undertaken to get the buses fixed.

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    exyardfowl…why did the exgovernment not pursue the legal action against those in the private sector who are known law breakers…..

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  • This is the bottomline right here and the question to the Mia government that should be on everyone’s lips until something is done….the days of government ministers stealing from the people with the aid of their private sector friends and masters must be brought to a swift end, those in the last administration and their puppet masters in the minority business sector along with their personal leper friends must be brought to account.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/166570/joe-pay-price

    “What this Budget did not tell us is who will pay the price for getting us in this position in the first place?

    “Barbadians want to know that somebody, some entity, some group, pay the price for getting us into this mess.

    If it is a question of bad policy, the electorate has spoken and dismissed the last administration. If it is a question of corruption, misdeeds and ill-doing, Barbadians want to know what the current administration is going to do about having someone pay the price for their pain.”

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  • What we should learn from Greece is that the middle classes, especially small businesspeople, must pay their tax. That was the problem in Greece, and still is.
    But we have a new government writing off taxes owed since 1968 – 50 years ago. This is moral perversion. Those people should have been forced to pay their taxes or have their property confiscated. Instead, you get the BRA abandoning compound interest. This is administrative madness. A legal absurdity.
    This is a Grecian farce.

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  • Correct Hal and then you have a PM telling the foolish and guillble about putting money in people’s pocket and the only people so far who seems to have garnish glorious favour is the Private sector with huge tax write offs
    Hoping that in the good name of transparency and goverance the govt would release the names of the treasury beneficiaries
    A called for the release of names by the public should be immediate after all it is taxpayers money being given to the wealthy will the poor fits the bill
    Total madness

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  • The rippling effect of this tax on fuel is going to be dizzying for the tourist industry . One cannot forget that airlines refueled at barbados airport so tourist travelling to barbados would see an appreciative cost in flying because of the fuel tax
    This budget numbers on paper does not reflect the realities of economic cost to the traveller

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  • No one is going to be able to pay back taxes from 1968…that is ludicrous.

    They can however, pay their back taxes from 2000-2018…18 years, they have been released from compound interests and penalties, which I am sure still amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars..

    those in the minority business community have been stealing from taxpayers because they have from 1968 been tax cheats…stealing from the people but still getting grants, “loans” from NIS pension etc..that they never repay and concessions to enrich themselves, that must end…

    if they don’t pay the 18 years of taxes they owe…the Mia government is supposed to seize their properties forthwith to recoup the decades of losses to the people.

    the government will have to be monitored in that regard.

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  • re And people who do not want to die will miss out on going to heaven.

    WHO IS THE JACKASS THAT STARTED THIS BULLSHIT THOUGHT IN BARBADOS?

    WHY IS IT PERPETUATED WHEN THE BIBLE- THE ONLY AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND PRACTICE STATES CONCLUSIVELY AND DEFINITIVELY THAT MANY WILL GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT SEEING DEATH? WHY?

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  • GP…..ya right, cause I am in heaven on earth, very few got that privilege, ask Bushman..

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  • @David

    “Is there a fiscal policy or program the government can come up with that will not cause financial sacrifice?”

    The quick answer is NO and FINANCIAL SACRIFICE is a given, which should happen to bring home the seriousness of the situation. The whining has to stop and changes made.

    ” she met with social partnership”

    I seriously doubt a 2 hour proclumation could be called a meeting, more like dictator telling workers take this or else.

    Barbados is indeed walking a path it has previously (not ?) travelled(twice before since independance), this path is also well known to numerous other countries during the past recent years, its a known path with somewhat assured results if the maindates are followed and maintained. Barbados however has not come to the realization that continued prosperity requires a work ethic, production, limited corruption, sound finances etc. for continuing success.

    I seriously doubt that Barbarians will ever understand the WORK REWARD system.

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  • @Wily

    Until we die the human condition must believe there is always hope, if not die.

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  • Mia is not a fool she threw in the 1968 period of back taxes to cloud the vision of forward thinking barbadains.
    She purposely tried to plant in the minds of the people that such a long period of uncollected taxes would be challenging to go after
    However the question that must be asked of Mia being part of an administration for 14year why was there no effort to collect for those periods along legal lines
    The long term effect of Mia forgivness to these tax cheats would be felt long term by taxpayers through further austerity measures as govt struggle to pay debt while these tax cheats were handed a gift by the govt.

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  • At least someone is listening….

    ….that should be one of the laws legislated in the first 90 days of the Mia government…you do not need any studies or committees or all the other taxpayer funded money wasting scams that tend to go nowhere because those who are appointed do not know what the hell they are talking about…

    …all the studies have been done ad nauseam in the last 30 years worldwide…all countries are now implementing and enforcing.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/166556/grow-medical-ganja

    “BARBADOS MUST CAPITALISE on the economic benefits of growing medical marijuana.
    .
    The suggestion has been made by Minister of Agriculture and Food Security, Indar Weir, who said yesterday the paradigm shift must be made to embrace the new possibilities in agriculture.

    Looking at the value-added factor in the spin-off products such as cosmetic oils and massage creams that could be derived from marijuana grown for medicinal purposes, the minister said: “We have no time to waste making sure that we can get medical marijuana growing.”

    In his maiden speech in the House of Assembly, Weir said: “We have an abundance of opportunities when it comes to unlocking and giving people the chance to grow medical marijuana, simply because of the value chain that follows.”

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  • There is a saying, nothing is certain except tax and death. In Barbados not even tax is certain.

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  • Yeah Mia…the public who put yall there have every right to know…no more secret deals..

    “We need to hear the bona fides of White Oaks. We need to understand whether or not they are the subject of any transactional conflicts. We need to find out if White Oaks has any local connections. It would be good if we knew who their principals are. We need to know what is the full extent of their involvement. Is it just that they are interfacing with our creditors on our behalf full stop, or is there further involvement?”

    The Opposition Leader said his research suggested that White Oaks negotiates with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and undertakes strategic reviews of state enterprises.

    Therefore, Atherley questioned whether the entity would assist Government with its negotiations with the lending agency, or if it would “be assisting the Barbados Government with any such look at our own state-owned enterprises as we seek to address the issue of cost to Government relative to statutory corporations, especially by means of transfers”.

    “Ultimately, what is going to be the cost of engaging White Oaks? What is the cost to Barbadians of engaging White Oaks? I am not privy to any of this information and I don’t know if the Barbadian people are. I am simply suggesting that they ought to be,” the sole Opposition parliamentarian stated.

    The DLP administration had reached a deal with Cahill to build a $240 million waste to energy plant in Vaucluse, St Thomas, but abandoned the idea after much public outcry over its potential environmental impact.”

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  • @David

    There is always HOPE.

    Hope WILL only work if there is a REALISTIC SOLUTION PLAN WITH ATTAINABLE GOALS or else the belly will shrink and hunger pains will be a continuum. God will provide, the question is what will he provide ?.

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  • There is always hope, it is not conditional try as hard as you might to state otherwise.

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  • NorthernObserver

    The Debt Cock has come home to roost. I am 99% sure the opinions of the social partnership are the exact same as those shared with the prior administration. You either do nothing like the last administration and watch the debt grow, while pleading fear of a socio economic backlash, or you do something.
    Little will be popular. Nobody wants to pay more or earn less.
    Lest we forget, as OAS reminded us, the revenue from offshore is/was HUGE. Tourism alone cannot fill this void. The GoB cannot worry itself with issues it cannot control or impact. Focus on running an efficient and effective ship. Provide the best you can. Change attitudes, none of us is owed a living.

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  • The likes of Herbert need to stop bitching and whining, he loved the budget, now he is balking, he does not control the government, let Mia do the job taxpayers are paying her government to do..

    The hotels should have water tanks to water their gardens, lawns and golf courses, stop leeching off the water authority… and they will find their water bills will not be so high..

    Time for the island to grow food to feed her people, cut imports by 3/4….

    …and grow marijuana for the health benefits and the financial generation that accrues to make the depressed areas…ghettos etc…more independent and self sufficient….

    Get on with it.

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  • Mariposa

    You should let someone from George Street proof read your contributions before posting them.

    Firstly, an “ARBITRATOR” is defined as “an independent individual or body officially appointed to settle a dispute.”

    Could you please explain to BU how does this present administration, ACTING on ADVICE from the BRA’s Revenue Commissioner, Margaret Sivers, decides to write off taxes the BRA DEEMED as being UNRECOVERABLE or “bad” debt, owed by businesses and households from 1968 – 2000, while asking the Authority to put measures in place to collect taxes due from 2001 to present………

    ……..could be interpreted as “setting a precedent for Private sector to enjoy the benefits of tax write off sets a trap for govt by sending the wrong message to the private sector one which states that govt is not serious in pursuing legal actions against the (arbitrators) who disregard the law……..?”

    Obviously, some of the people owing taxes since 1968 are either DECEASED or SENIOR CITIZENS. So the BRA should confiscate a senior citizen’s property for taxes owed in 1968?

    And this man accuses people of “appalling ignorance.”

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  • ************ decides to write off taxes the BRA DEEMED as being UNCOLLECTABLE……….

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  • With my usual charm and notice I did not cuss anyone…was it Mia engaged White Oaks or is it the behind the scenes manoeuvres of the Sovereign, since the taxpayers will have to pay for it anyway, they still ought to know.

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  • How do you know who these people are that govt did not pursue either dead or alive to pay taxes
    Yes Mia did set a precedent one which send a message that barbados is not serious about collecting taxes from private sector

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  • “BARBADOS MUST CAPITALISE on the economic benefits of growing medical marijuana.

    If there are opportunities in this unique and controversial area that can be legally pursued by all means go after it.
    I wonder if they will be any increase in perennial larceny of the new cash crop? More wweet potatoes, yams and cassava may actually stay in the respective farmer’s fields and be harvested by their rightful owners. LOL

    My question is will we be allowed to export the by products to the USA Europe etc. Are they any EU or USA FDA regulations that will stop these sales of by products into the USA or EU or elsewhere? if we can sell these items into the EU, USA or Canada to earn direct foreign exchange that will be great. However if such sales solely depend on the tourist coming here to purchase them, the new industry will not be able to flourish as one may expect.

    Do remember that every caricom island has an illegal marijuana industry. Barbados will not be in any exclusive club when it comes to this new legalised industry. My gut tell me that somehow under the Trump Administration some form of punitive action will be taken by their Justice Dept. for countries seeking to legalise the growing of marijuana for any purpose.

    Poor management of landscape, archaic thinking, low productivity, corruption at any level, collection of taxes, the avoidance of paying taxes etc will plague this new industry. We need to get more thing corrected and on the right path, otherwise this new industry cannot contribute to the national economy at the level that some expect.

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  • Mariposa,

    Again you are right, but some people prefer to play the man rather than the ball. If someone dies owing taxation, that debt is inherited by his/her estate. If the person dies in poverty, ten the debt is written off.
    If the person dies intestate and leaves property, then the tax debt has preference on the estate.
    If it is a business, ten the business corporate, a limited liability company, has a legal obligation to pay that debt.
    In any case, it is gross incompetence for any taxpayer, individual or corporate, to owe taxes for 50 years. In fact, it is administrative incompetence for anyone to owe taxes for two years without the imposition of a penalty. As I said it is perverse. Have you noticed the government has not told us how much money is outstanding?

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  • “Poor management of landscape, archaic thinking, low productivity, corruption at any level, collection of taxes, the avoidance of paying taxes etc will plague this new industry. We need to get more thing corrected and on the right path, otherwise this new industry cannot contribute to the national economy at the level that some expec’t.

    All of the above can only result if a government is too disorganized, lacking brain power and too stupid to know what it is doing.

    Like Canada..the US is moving toward legalizing, just as UK is now being encouraged, just a matter of time,

    the US cannot very well tell Caribbean governments they can’t use marijuana to advance their economies, when several states in the US have already started…..this is 2018…not 1918…Jamaica is already exporting to US, I would be surprised if St. Vincent has not already started…markets can be found for end products, a lot of creativity helps.

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  • @ Hal Austin

    In any case, it is gross incompetence for any taxpayer, individual or corporate, to owe taxes for 50 years. In fact, it is administrative incompetence for anyone to owe taxes for two years without the imposition of a penalty. As I said it is perverse. Have you noticed the government has not told us how much money is outstanding?

    I am new to this. If an entity continuously owes Govt. taxes(refuses to pay any or cant pay) and is in busineess today. Why should they have they accumulated taxes waived? The permanent opposition(civil service) needs to do its job the jobs we the taxpayers are paying them to do.

    The heart of the reforms in this ole Barbados rests on the reforming of the civil service.

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  • It seems as though your “common sense” left you when the DLP abandoned the making of “common cents.”

    Mistress, common sense would tell you that, obviously, an individual would have to be working or owned a business to pay income taxes in 1968.

    Assuming a business owner or employee was at least 20 years old when they opened a business or gained employment in 1968. 50 years later that (former) business owner or employee, would be 70 years old……if they were 25 years old, they would be 75 years old. Upon reaching at least 60 years old, people are usually considered to be senior citizens.

    People die every day…..including people born pre and post 1968.

    We can similarly conclude that your inept DLP administration was not serious about collecting taxes from the private sector as well.

    If they were, they would have AGGRESSIVELY pursued those business owners YOU CONSTANTLY REMIND this forum that OWES government millions of dollars in taxes during their ten year tenure.

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  • And since Mia has always had a connection with the most depressed areas and oppressed majority population on the island, I will give her the benefit of the doubt that she knows exactly what to do to make this a success going forward for decades…to develop the island and productivity……in sync with food production.

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  • Hal, what’s the difference between someone owing taxes for fifty years and a large, seemingly successful hotel chain being granted tax free status for 25 years with option to extend? Just asking.

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  • Sirfuzzy,

    You are right. Age is no excuse. We have businesses that do not pay VAT, a tax they have already collected on behalf of the government. Competence, dear boy, competence.

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  • Fearplay,

    Two wrongs. Tax-free status is a transfer of wealth from the poor to the wealthy. And, as I have said, no one individual or corporation should get away with not paying taxation.

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  • the US cannot very well tell Caribbean governments they can’t use marijuana to advance their economies, when several states in the US have already started…..this is 2018…not 1918…Jamaica is already exporting to US, I would be surprised if St. Vincent has not already started…markets can be found for end products, a lot of creativity helps.

    @Well Well
    As a proud bajan i hope we get it right. The USA is weird, at the Federal Level marijuana is still a controlled substance. Due to the federal nature of the USA individual states can have state laws that permit the use and sale of marijuana and its by-products. However crossing the state line from one state into another that person can be arrested by police etc.

    There is a lot that we may need to do in order to get the export status. All hands must be on deck if its a national priority.

    Any comment or thoughts on praedial Larceny, of such a cash crop.

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  • This guy likes to “create straw men to knock them down” and “shift the goal posts” to win an argument. Notice how he focused his response primarily on BUSINESS owners.

    Note, I never mentioned anything about business owners. My main focus was on INDIVIDUALS owing taxes since 1968. And it would be unreasonable for the BRA to confiscate the property of a senior citizen in 2018 for owing taxes 50 years ago.

    If I owe PERSONAL income taxes, upon my death my son would not inherit that debt. If that occurs in the UK, so be it.

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  • @Artax

    This guy likes to “create straw men to knock them down” and “shift the goal posts” to win an argument. Notice how he focused his response primarily on BUSINESS owners.

    Note, I never mentioned anything about business owners. My main focus was on INDIVIDUALS owing taxes since 1968. And it would be unreasonable for the BRA to confiscate the property of a senior citizen in 2018 for owing taxes 50 years ago.

    If I owe PERSONAL income taxes, upon my death my son would not inherit that debt. If that occurs in the UK, so be it.

    The law is the law, some taxes will be waived. We may not agree with the Mottley administration decision or what the decisions of the BRA is in the case by case investigations.

    But on principle the taxes that were incurred by the individual or business in 1968 thru 2000 should have been collected within two years of being levied.

    If your were a merchant doing business with an individual or business that owed you monies i am sure that you would do your best to collect what is rightful yours.

    We need a more competence and professional civil service. The roadmap for our transformation lies with serious reforms within the civil service(permanent opposition)

    Just my take.

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  • @Artax

    Why argue a nonsense point? Do you have time on your hands? A commenter above mentioned the ageing of the debt which points to poor admin. The reality is that much of the arrears has been inflated by interest and penalties and there is an admin cost as well that government would have factored as well.

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  • Georgie Porgie
    June 13, 2018 8:33 AM

    re And people who do not want to die will miss out on going to heaven.
    WHO IS THE JACKASS THAT STARTED THIS BULLSHIT THOUGHT IN BARBADOS?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Right Honourable Owen Seymour Arthur!!

    Responsible for a lot more BS too!!

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  • Correct Hal .What Mottley did is an insult to barbadians who work hard and pay their taxes now have to be burden with paying the missing revenue through austerity measures
    The tax debt never goes away as it is included in barbados debt

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  • See the problem … it’s at the top!!

    Always was.

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  • @ David.

    U are very right. He has times on his hands.
    If you watch usa politics you will see the impact of the lobbying class upon American policies (taxes and other wise).

    Often it is a crave out or a special interest group paying the lobbyist to do their bidding.

    Whenever we lower our standards regarding fairness and such we lower our guard to the powerful and their partners.

    Artax, never once considers or want to consider that the now 75 year old pensioner may have been a wealthy or a person of means in the 1960s and 1970s when these taxes were levied. However to each his own.

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  • Sirfuzzy,
    The estate of the deceased inherits any tax liability on death. The debt does not die with the debtor. And yes, it is correct and proper for the estate of any tax debtor to be confiscated if taxes are not paid, or a proper arrangement made.
    We cannot have a free ride through life. A fifty year tax delinquent means that, for example, at age 40 you stop paying taxes and at age 90 that liability is waived. Nonsense. This is not social justice; it is dishonesty.

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  • Sirfuzzy

    In Barbados you have individuals who only file income tax returns if they are guaranteed an income tax refund.

    Then they are business owners that do not file income tax returns because they do not want to pay taxes. They are also business owners that refuse to remit to the BRA, PAYE deducted from their employees.

    This nonsense has been allowed to continue under successive BLP & DLP administrations. We thought with the establishment of the Barbados Revenue Authority, tax administration would improve……unfortunately, this was not the case……as there is still a high level of incompetence in the tax system.

    Many of the employees of the former Inland Revenue Department that had expertise in taxation, opted to be transferred to other government departments when the BRA was established. Hence, many of the Authority’s employees were inexperienced and did not have a reasonable knowledge of taxation.

    It took business owners almost 4 years to be able to file partnerships income tax returns on line. And none of the clerks knew anything about partnerships.

    What previous administrations, including the former DLP’s, have done is to offer “tax amnesties,” which saw a waiver of interest and penalties on taxes owed.

    The system is flawed….but this is a norm for many government departments.

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  • Re: “This guy likes to “create straw men to knock them down” and “shift the goal posts” to win an argument. Notice how he focused his response primarily on BUSINESS owners.”

    Sirfuzzy………. the above comment was not a RESPONSE to YOU.

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  • @ Artax

    We need a more competence and professional civil service. The roadmap for our transformation lies with serious reforms within the civil service(permanent opposition)

    As i stated above.

    However i will add this. Those persons that chose not to continue with the BRA are just as guilty of whatever they can be convicted of. The BRA is not years old. Therefore we can jump back to 2008. If any of those professionals who were in the IRD and holding similar management or supervisory positions. Then they should have collected the 40 years worth of taxes that would have been owed the IRD as at 2008.

    We need a more competence and professional civil service. The roadmap for our transformation lies with serious reforms within the civil service(permanent opposition)

    Just my take.

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  • Sirfuzzy…it’s instructive to note that US Federal laws do not and should not apply to any island in the Caribbean, independent states can and are free to legislate how they want to access various species of cannabis and in what form…there are also other markets quite capable of paying in US currency beside USA..

    dealing with the praedial larcenist should be a community effort in association with the police force seeing as it’s the depressed communities should benefit more than anyone else from marijuana growing, processing, exports etc…it is to their benefit to control thieves, they got the population size and numbers.

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  • An administration cost certainly would not cost govt as much as what all taxpayers must now pay across the board out of their pockets which attributes to govt loss revenue
    No wonder the private Sector was so happy with their engagments with Mia at Social Partnership meetings
    Now the cat is out the bag for all to see

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  • @ John RE June 13, 2018 11:44 AM

    Georgie Porgie
    June 13, 2018 8:33 AM

    re And people who do not want to die will miss out on going to heaven.
    WHO IS THE JACKASS THAT STARTED THIS BULLSHIT THOUGHT IN BARBADOS?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Right Honourable Owen Seymour Arthur!!

    Responsible for a lot more BS too!!

    I THOUGHT SO.
    HE WAS THE FIRST I HEARD SAYING THIS RUBBISH, ABOUT 20 + YEARS AGO……BUT DID NOT KNOW THAT HE WAS THE INITIATOR

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  • individual US states with their own legislative codes….. can and are free to legislate how and from where they want to access various species of cannabis and in what form..

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  • @ well Well

    the US cannot very well tell Caribbean governments they can’t use marijuana to advance their economies, when several states in the US have already started…..this is 2018…not 1918…Jamaica is already exporting to US, I would be surprised if St. Vincent has not already started…markets can be found for end products, a lot of creativity helps.

    I take your point that The USA Federal laws doesnt apply to sovereign nations etc.

    But i only mentioned the USA Federal laws because u mentioned it in your reply. ” when several states in the US have already started…”

    However, there is still an ongoing argument within and between individual states regarding the movement a controlled substance between states. It is not settles law yet. The Jury is still out.

    Just muh take.

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  • Economic considerations must not drive decisions how we order our affairs.

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  • Mismangement fity years ago now attributes to gross mismagement of govt debt by Mia Mottley after two weeks in office
    To think that the blp yardfowls now have the mitigated gall to be angry at those who questions Mia actions truly boggles the mind.

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  • Do those who refused to pay their taxes and are still alive now qualify for state pensions and health care?

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  • “WHO IS THE JACKASS THAT STARTED THIS BULLSHIT THOUGHT IN BARBADOS?”

    “The Right Honourable Owen Seymour Arthur!!”

    Georgie Porgie

    TO BE FAIR, Owen Arthur DID NOT “start this bullshit thought in Barbados.”

    That saying goes back several years and has been used in Barbados since I was in primary school…..and probably before.

    It was included in Peter Tosh’s song “Equal Rights” and was title of Johnny Peoples & The Gospel Crowns’ song “Everybody Wants to go to Heaven.”

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  • “Do those who refused to pay their taxes and are still alive now qualify for state pensions and health care?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    As long as an individual pays at least the minimum amount of NIS contributions, he/she will qualify for “state pension.”

    Presently, Barbadians could go into the QEH or any polyclinic and receive free health care.

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  • Mismangement fity years ago now attributes to gross mismagement of govt debt by Mia Mottley after two weeks in office
    To think that the blp yardfowls now have the mitigated gall to be angry at those who questions Mia actions truly boggles the mind.

    @ Maripsa

    Let stop with this BLP vs DLP chatter. We got one PM at a time and I would believe u are a proud Bajan wanting the best for Barbados.

    True patriots will recognise that we are suppose to be a free society. We cherish our freedom of speech and association.

    True proud Bajans will also understand that a Govt. minister or the PM is not infallible. ” if that were so, God will be truly a Bajan”

    They will may mistakes. The strength of a true leader and his/her followers will accept true and valid criticism of the leader the same way they accept applause and congratulations.

    The leader may make decisions that may prove to be a good or bad decision over time. And in time the voters(in the case of MPs) will make their decision known, as we did in May 2018.

    As we say the higher the monkey climbs the more of the tail is shown. Give her time to show us her true colours and then and only then we are truly entitled to give her applause or criticism. Cause she would have rightly deserved it.

    .

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  • It is impossible to ask some commenters this be non partisan. Yes support your party but use reasoned arguments.

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  • As for govt asking Tourist to pay 70$ for coming to barbados is another miscalculation of the tourist intelligence . Those budget heads who came up with this type of formula for Tourist to pay barbados debt must not be aware of the fact that vat is included in hotel accommodations and it is insulting to ask the visitor on vacation to pay any more excessive taxes
    Mottley and her band of supporters should be the ones now having to pay the bill . in any case Mottley can start by reducing the size of the cabinet which can save the treasury about 8million annually

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  • @ David,

    “Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, often gets you killed”

    I think they were referring to Post WW1 national leaders in Europe etc.

    But it may have some relevance to post WW2 political leaders and cults etc

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  • Listen Sir fuzzy. You know what u might beca new visitor to BU ir an occasional one. However let me tell you that the blp supporter never gave way in their comment when speaking ill of govt or dlp . So what is good for the goose is good for the gander
    You have heard them place all blame on past govt for the dire state of the economy seeming to forget that Auditor general during the blp reign gave scathing and jaw dropping reports about the govt of the day mismanagement of funds all which now contributes to barbados debt.
    The blp govt and supporter game plan is to point back only to ten years hoping that barbadian memories would have faded or forgotten the damage that the blp govt also contributed financially to the economy just as Mottley has now done with the tax write offs hoping a period of time makes it all justifiable to forgive

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  • Marposa. U are entitled to your free speech.

    I have being a Barbadian for over 40 years. So i know of the battles that are waged.

    I will leave u with what Michelle Obama says. “When they go low We go High”

    Barbados is bigger then any political party. If the dlp or blp were to disband Barbados will continue.

    The level of political discourse is getting worse in my opinion. As Michael Jackson says, ” I am looking at the man in the mirror”
    If there is any change to be made it starts with me. I refuse to get involved at this level, as the trajectory appears downward.

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  • Sir Fuzzy fair is fair and in the course of discussion crticism would be hurled and sides would be taken all no less with having barbados best interst at heart that is the nature of the political beast
    Yes indeed we are all barbadians

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  • Let me repeat. Public policy is not crafted on feelings. The new taxes will not lead to any decline in tourists. In contrast, if the SCS system collapse, the sector would collapse.

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  • Voters always get tricked

    @ Sirfuzzy

    You have a new alias and have started out with being fuzzy with the truth.

    Jamaican individuals, companies or Government are NOT legally allowed to send marijuana , byproducts or seeds to any US State importers as it is a Federal crime as all imports in the USA goes through Border Customs officials who are Federal employees.

    The same Law applies as shipping or transporting marijuana from State to State is a federal crime even if both US States lave legalised marijuana for medical and marijuana usage for over the legal age of 21.

    So you would need to name the Jamaica exporters and US importers to prove your point instead of blatant distortion of the truth.

    I am a former federal employee so know full well what I am talking about.

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    Batman, as the caped crusader, has many enemies and must perforce be seen to be a terror, but Bruce Wayne, his alter ego, is unexpectedly a philanthropist.

    The philatropist has made several offers to assist with these intractable problems BECAUSE THIS IS HIS COUNTRY…

    To him that hath understanding may that comment be understood.

    This is not an advertisement of any type for my grandson but a suggestion as it relates to crafting pertinent solutions for Barbados.

    Sir Fuzzy in an earlier comment spoke about the issue of the Snivel Service and their “Yes minister mentality”

    Here is something from the grandson for public consumption notwithstanding its intellectual property content.

    The grandson created an application called VALENCY whose concept is pivotally applicable in this situation where people have been promoted WITHOUT REASON OR QUALIFICATIONS read competence

    Given the IMF EDICTS and the imminent downsizing of the Snivel Service there has to be a fair and equitable mechanism that permits its human resources to be meaningfully matched and sized.

    As Sir Fuzzy says and Mike Howard the noted DLP ECONOMIST is parroting, downsizing will demand that the BLP finding the most capable people yo keep government running efficiently

    wunna dun know that Senator Caswell Franklyn noted Union leader now Senator is going to have a field day when it comes to firing government workers without a way to fairly evaluate staff competencies in concert with their years of service and all the other issues that morally give him and Akani hardons figuratively speaking.

    SO the grandson’ s tool – VALENCY -does a few things while acting as an impartial adjudicator and weighing staff competencies, productivity and ratings and PROVIDING SUCH, like a ratings report, to be used when the Mininister in the Ministry of Labour is deciding to fire the parasites in the Army of Occupation.

    We can be assured dat dis idea going ammmmm be ammmmm…

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  • System is Broken

    @ Pieceontherock

    Here is a video recording taken Sunday released on social media of your Barbados finest, the citizen was lucky they didn’t plant any evidence as they have been prone to do.

    They will deny however I have been a victim of Barbados police planting evidence and theft in 2009 so I ca attest that this actually happens in Barbados.

    Naked Departure:
    THE BARBADIAN POLICE FORCE is a club of gangsters!!!
    Breaking News: Eight( 8 ) plus members of the RBPF were seen on video surveillance trespassing & breaking into the house of Wayne Cook Food on Sunday during the day with no warrant or his presence, they didn’t know that the house & property had cameras stash.
    A large sum of money, watches and gold were removed from the property.

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