Musings of a Barbadian Transplant on the Unusual Sight of Snow in Charleston

Submitted by Mohammed Iqbal Degia  posted to Extra Newsfeed

Car park at 1:30 pm

The sight of snow in Charleston yesterday had me thinking. I reminisced about my first experience of snow and all the other times and places I encountered it. Inevitably, as someone with a deep interest in environmental issues, I pondered about the connection of this local event to the broader issue of climate change. On Thursday evening, I went to post some photos on Facebook I had taken of the snow by our apartment complex. I was going to write a sentence or two about the photos but alas I have a wandering mind and instead I ended up penning this piece about the reflections I had on seeing the snow!

The first time I saw snow was in 1996 when I left Barbados and went to London to study at the age of 18. I was still asleep that morning and two of the guys from the hostel I was staying at came into my room and woke me up. I was not exactly happy to be startled and got up confused. They were excited and told me to look out the window and when I did, it was as if I had woken up in a different place. Outside was covered in snow. I ran out the room, slipped on my shoes without lacing them up and dashed through the door. I jumped around in the snow, held it in my hand and threw it around for about thirty seconds before the cold hit me. I had sprinted out in my lounge pants and a t-shirt! I went back inside and dressed warmly and then came out again in the snow for a little longer.

It snowed again rarely in my three years in London. I think it must have fell about three times and even then it was a light sprinkling that melted away within less than a day. Over the years I have had various snow encounters in places ranging from New York, Toronto and Wales to Durham and York in England, from vicious storms and stunning landscapes to the dirt-filled, ugly mess that pretty snow soon transforms to in cities. However, Wednesday was something quite unexpected. It snowed in Charleston, SC, a most abnormal occurrence! This is a place where winter only flirts with. I get away with wearing a spring jacket for large parts of winter and by March I venture outside in flip flops. The last time a snow storm hit Charleston was December 1989 and I think sometime around 2009/2010 there was also some minor snow. Yesterday’s snow seems to be record breaking. When I heard on Tuesday that there may be snow on Wednesday, I dismissed it. “Ah, there won’t be any snow here man, the most that will happen is some sleet” was the thought playing out in my head in Bajan dialect!

Palms at 2:30 pm

I had a conference call just before midday on Wednesday and was sitting at the dining table doing the call and talking incidentally about environmental issues. As I sat there on the call, the rain that had been falling for a few hours turned to sleet and then became snow. Soon outside was blanketed by it. I had clearly underestimated the weather! Thankfully, a lot of places had already closed so my wife was home. Today the snow is slowly melting but expectedly for a city not used to snow, there is some chaos. Many businesses and offices remain closed and the city of Charleston declared a state of emergency late this afternoon. We shall see what the weekend brings us. Hopefully warmer weather that melts the snow rapidly!

I took these photos at three different times of the day around 1:30 PM, 2:30 PM and 5:30 PM to capture the transition. They are, admittedly, a feeble attempt to capture the beauty of the snow. I have very little practice driving in the snow and would not dare drive my current car, unequipped for icy roads and snow, during this weather. The only drawback is that this deprives me taking some beautiful shots of Charleston under snow!

Car park at 5:30 pm

Beyond the pictures though, are some serious considerations- the reality of changing weather patterns caused by anthropogenic climate change and the effects of this change on coastal areas like Charleston and South Carolina Low Country. The cold weather happening at the moment is not evidence against climate change as some claim perversely. Weather and climate are not the same. According to NOAA and NASA, weather is the conditions of the atmosphere that we experience in the short term while climate is the long-term pattern of varying weather conditions. Although it may be unusually cold right now in Charleston, the average global temperatures are much warmer than before, a fact borne out by international scientific consensus.

Climate change has already had devastating consequences across the world and especially in places that are more vulnerable than others such as the Caribbean where I am from. It poses a grave threat to Charleston just as it does to the Caribbean and other US cities like Miami, New York and Atlantic City. In Charleston, the conversation about climate change has only started and it has been limited to rising sea levels and adaptation to flooding. Climate change’s causal link to flooding is minimised with the latter treated as an urgent standalone issue that must be adapted to. Topics such as coral reef destruction, fisheries depletion, health threats, biodiversity decline, increased drought, strain on water resources and extreme weather patterns, all very relevant to Charleston, are not on the agenda except for that of a small group of concerned people. Moreover, the discussions about adaptation to flooding and the financing of adaptation measures are led by certain interests whose properties are under threat. Those most impacted by the climate challenge- the African-American community- are excluded.

One uncommon snow storm is unlikely to stir the climate conversation in Charleston. I have yet to see any mention of the words climate change in news reports or on social media. It can be argued that in a traditionally conservative state the fact that there is significant attention being paid now to flooding is something to be positive about. While this is true, there is a long way to go. This satisfaction must be channelled into taking the conversation towards much more uncomfortable territory. Territory that not only encompasses subjects like mitigation efforts to address the cause of climate change but also places those who suffer disproportionately from climate change at the forefront.

132 comments

  • Weather patterns are changing I have seen a difference from when I was a boy. But the climate change that was being peddled a few decades back was the ozone layer would be gone and we would be some kind of mole people.Well this cold winter and record rain this year in my area certainly belies what was being pushed then

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  • Remember when the climate change specialists were telling us what we had to fear more than anything was global warming as snow was disappearing from North American and European lives because of global warming and not too long in the future the ski slopes would be bare and toboggans and downhill skis would be interesting relics of a bygone age.

    Predictions of less snow and less severe winters were hammered into the public by global warming scientists. But once that predictions failed to come true, the opposite of what they predicted instead became—what they expected.

    If “climate change” is causing record cold and snow, then it would stand to reason that Gore is suggesting that if the U.S. had ratified the UN’s Kyoto Protocol treaty on “global warming” back in the 1990’s — the winter of 2018 would have been warmer?
    Reality Check: But scientists are not buying the claims of Gore and Mann and others linking the record cold and snow to “global warming.”

    ‘Insanity…It’s Witchcraft’ – Meteorologist Joe Bastardi on claims that cold & snow caused by ‘global warming’ – WeatherBell Meteorologist Joe Bastardi on January 4, 2018: “This is flat out insanity and deception now To tell the public that events that have occurred countless times before with no climate change attribution, is now just that, is not science, its witchcraft. NO PROOF AT ALL. Its climate ambulance chasing, nothing more.

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/al-gore-bitter-cold-is-exactly-what-we-should-expect-from-the-climate-crisis/

    Maybe we should have been preparing for global cooling, but not because of there being too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

    Researchers in the U.K. created a new model of the Sun’s solar cycles that allows them to make extremely accurate predictions of changes in solar activity like never before.

    Solar cycles typically last 11 years and during that time, the north and south magnetic poles flip. It looks a lot like a heartbeat when graphed out. We’re currently in Cycle 24.

    The solar scientists say that the latest model shows the Sun’s magnetic waves will become offset in Cycle 25 which peaks in 2022. Then, in Cycle 26, solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during between 2030 and 2040 causing this “mini ice age”.

    aol(DOT)com/article/2015/07/12/scientists-predict-mini-ice-age-will-hit-in-15-years/21208356/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl8%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1115257387

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  • At the end of the day there is a lot we do not know about nature. What we know though is that the climate is changing. What we know also is that given the disposition of mankind we will never agree to uniform behaviors to ensure we not offend Mother Earth.

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  • The frosty weather up north has forced the cancellation of flights into Barbados. Local hoteliers and others businesses in the hospitality sector will be cursing their bad luck.

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  • David

    Wait a minute

    Nobody was talking about the disappearance of mountain snow DURING WINTER

    It is at the hottest points of SUMMER when these judgements are/were made.

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  • And that phenomenon does not interfere with the nature of climate change which will go from one extreme to the other extreme.

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  • If fact, one result may indeed be the return of an ice age, globally!

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  • You are speculating Pacha?

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  • That kind of reactionary thinking represents a certain kind of simple mindedness

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  • David

    No sir!

    This is the central argument of 99.999% of scientists and the UN panel.

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  • In that case the weight of scientific evidence should be enough to force ALL countries to follow/comply with the Paris Accord? Whither the USA?

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  • David

    You are calling this bad luck

    No sir, again

    All these events, and more, were predicted.

    Where were you?

    Or are you too bamboozled, by White snow

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  • This is precisely why Trump is such an asshole

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  • The reality is that with the USA not signing the Kyoto agreement (don’t blame Trump) the world has not bought into the idea of man made actions and its interactions with Mother Earth.

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  • Similarly, scientists never spoke/or suggested that the historic break up of the artic ice sheets would occur during winter.

    It is in summer or the hottest parts of the year when these have always happened and will always be expected to occur.

    Just like how we expect, in South Asia, the monsoons to deliver extreme rains, while other parts of the earth are experiencing extreme drought.

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  • David

    Wrong again

    Trump has made the USA the sole outlier on climate change and other things

    And the USA is quickly losing its role as world leader, don’t you see?

    The rest of the world is united

    Trump and the USA are isolated.

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  • We will wait for the inevitable Pachamama because man will never depart from its abusive ways. It is our nature.

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  • When will it lose the race given its ‘legacy’ influence? The others who claim to be onboard are they doing enough or is it just lip service. Do not underestimate the influence of the USA as a variable in the climate change equation given its emissions penetration.

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  • David

    We know that it would be imprecise to call you an extremist, you will recoil

    But on climate change, extremism is and will be is the order of the day. That is way radical actions were long needed.

    Please make the mental adjustments, in this one case. LOL

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  • David

    We must try nonetheless

    But we also agree with your last comments

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    From one extreme to another simultaneously and seasonally is as accurate a description ya can get for climate change, unseasonably brutal summers with devastating hurricanes and exceptionally brutal winters…..all in the same year.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    The puerto rocins in their ongoing misery without US aid can attest to the above …., Miami is so cold iguanas are dropping dead to the ground frozen, Miami never sees that extreme weather…and their summer was levels above brutal.

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  • LOL this is where things get funny. WW you like to laugh and say we albinos are a dying race and it is probably true …so why are you thinking we should care about climate change we should take your advise and be living in the moment. You should be more worried about it as the bible said the geek shall inherit the earth.

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  • David

    You should note well that the major states, like California, NY, where must of the population lives, the eastern sea board, the western states, and their officials are not following Trump on many critical issues – States’ rights they say!

    They are doing the opposite on several key issues – climate change, deportations/immigration, elections investigations, health care. On all these issues he has received massive defeats

    It is only the Christian-fascist states, in the South, northwest and mid-west that are really following that asshole.

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  • Well Well

    Well said!

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  • Let us see if the same rings true in response to Trump’s revocation of Obama guidelines that discouraged Federal prosecution of states pushing legalization of marijuana.

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  • David

    What that son of bitch (Trump) has done was to give massive tax cuts to the top .01%

    Up to USD6 trillion, to high net worth individuals and companies

    This son of a bitch, in the coming year (2018), will now seek to remove the social safety net from the poor, the former middle classes, to the same order of magnitude, to balance the budget. I’m warning you.

    That idiot and his Christian-fascists in congress, by their actions, created budget deficits of 4 to 6 trillion more.

    Increasing the national debt from about 20 trillion to 25 trillion.

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  • You are obviously not a fan of trickle down economics. This approach is the republican way, no surprise here.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Lawson…because your ass is dying does not mean everyone else should want to die with you…

    If ya want to live on through another 50 generations of your issue…then join the bloodlines that carry longevity……

    .,,,.the inbreeding will kill ya off faster than anything…lol….as those inbreeding enslaver families have paid dearly over the centuries to find out.

    The geeks inherited the earth already, yall did not even notice when it changed hands, yall were too busy tiefing, lying and projecting ya own criminality on others..lol

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  • David

    Yes, they have a history of so doing.

    But the obsequious Democrats are no better either

    They pretend they are different but under Clinton and Obama there were these massive transfers as well.

    Like Barbados, in the USA, the central economic policy was/is the subsidization of corporations and high net worth individuals.

    They started will Raegan in the 1980’s.

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  • Agree Pacha. It is the ignorant who are able to differentiate between B and D or Democrat and Republican.

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  • None of this is as complex as we are attempting to make it…
    It is really VERY simple.

    The earth was created as a living system, for a specific timeframe, to achieve a specified end.
    Much like a human life.

    In it’s youth, it was vibrant, green, healthy, and seemingly indestructible.
    In it middle ages, it endured various ailments, but was able to survive them.

    …now, it is old as shiite.
    THE END IS NEAR….. as for all living systems, death is inevitable.
    When that time approaches,
    – everywhere hurts…
    – everything is extreme – winters, summers, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes – just like old folks
    …especially if someone abused their youth.

    So to some extent, it is influenced by human actions.
    Just as individuals who live healthy, sensible, moderate lives can expect to enjoy a generally healthier old age, so too would the earth-system have enjoyed a healthier ‘old age’ if we had been more circumspect in our exploitation of its natural systems.

    In ANY event, the final result will be the same – DEATH., and these ‘signs and wonders’ of the weather are nothing more than the aches and pains of old age – a clear sign of a coming funeral….

    In the circumstances, how useful is it to continue to waste our time on the ‘games of youth’ – like building up our bank accounts, joining a gym, and looking for a new house…?

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Some parts of Maine and Boston will feel like -67 …….that is arctic temperatures in Greenland, etc, areas where no one lives, because ya can frostbite in minutes,never heard of that in US before and I have experienced some beauts.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    “Just as individuals who live healthy, sensible, moderate lives can expect to enjoy a generally healthier old age, so too would the earth-system have enjoyed a healthier ‘old age’ if we had been more circumspect in our exploitation of its natural systems.”

    Lawson and his evil, greedy, hatefilled ilk destroyed her, but they will PAY.

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  • Everyone knows that climate change is a Chinese hoax which has been given life by liberal scientists who supported the Kenyan born ex- President.

    I am a neophyte when it comes to these matters but a few years ago I was in Alaska on a trip to a National Park and I saw bits of ice which had broken off from a nearby glacier flowing down a waterway. The guide explained that 50 years ago the edge of the glacier bordered the lodge where we were standing and it had retreated to where it was now located. Did Global warming cause the glacier to shrink those few hundred yards over the years?

    This year I found the water extremely warm in Barbados in August and September during my beach visits. The diving community should be able to shed some light on whether they have noticed any deterioration in the Coral reefs in recent years, of course damage to coral could be from change in the ocean temperature or to other pollutants discharged into the sea.

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  • Archmaester Bushie

    It’s all well and good to say so – simple

    But when your co-religionists continue to seek the end of the world by any means necessary

    This problem becomes less and less simple.

    When their saviour has just tried to open all the waters around the US to oil and gas exploration, national parks as well, we have a real big problem.

    For there is nothing more addictive than a belief in a destructive foolishness.

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  • WW remember africa used to be lush and green so if you are pointing fingers

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  • The extreme Hurricane season and extreme cold in NthAm today are not proof of anything to do with CC or GW or any other concocted title that politicians promote to raise Taxes and avoid actually solving the basic, understandable problem of pollution. We had a very similar Hurricane system in the 1830s. One off events are NOT scientific proof of anything.

    Solar Cycles have been affecting Earth for millions of years, did mankind cause the creation of the Ice Ages or the eventual melt of 1 mile+ thick ice sheet over places like Toronto 12,000 years ago? The mistake is to forecast what is much too complex even for top scientists, instead apply the KISS principle—– Keep It Simple Stupid. The real problem is Pollution especially in Eastern Europe, China and India. My family have been to these places and the numbers are staggering—off the charts. Toronto averages an air pollution number of 11 and maybe occasionally reaches 25. Beijing regularly is 500-850 and Intl Schools have to build play domes for the kids that cost $MNs and typical filtration systems that cost $150,000 pa!

    We should know the pollution levels of various factory types and how the pollution can be reduced by scrubbers, filters etc. So mandate reductions for everyone. The WTO/ USA whoever will ask the chief offenders EE, China, India to comply or they will be seriously and significantly penalised on trade. Which Country / Corp is going to change without major incentive?

    Results are derived by direct action to solve the real problem.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Lawson….have you seen Rwanda lately, google it, lush and green does not begin to describe.., Africa still got 50 countries or more….more than enough ancestral land.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Your argument sounds like standard political two-step waltzing @MoneyB. You see no viable position to associate climate change with politicians pontificating thus you embrace the standard Republican repudiation of scientific evidence relating to warming trends; yet, you then summarise by embracing the intentions (muted tho they were) of those who signed on to the Paris accord…to wit, reducing the pollution/excessive heat emissions.

    Of course the earth as we know it goes through change…at least according go the scientists and researchers… so if we are experiencing major melting of polar ice caps it seems rational that we should consider the signs and reasons – ALL of those possible – and stop jerking around as the current US admin has.

    To badly paraphrase, surely as one swallow can’t confirm that summer has started similarly this current freeze does not dismiss the evidence of rising water levels from melting polar shelves; which is in turn is resultant from the earth being warmer for longer periods than normal, which is turn is caused in part from India and China doing their modernised version of the first world industrial revolution with significant energy production emissions…which in turn…back to those politicians.

    Yes Mr Blogmaster, we all need to get on board but wouldn’t that be TOO easy for folks to rationally explore key issues sans stupid, senseless politicking.

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  • The snow is the result of DLP branch Dixieland.

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  • Dribs try to control your Drivel and Dribble.
    My points were that Politicians dont have a clue and dont intend to solve the real propblem so they concoct titles to confuse those that cant think. Nothing Republican here and I repeat I am not and have never been a member of any political party. I know that it suits U to make this political.
    U may try to cast dispersions on the science at some point.

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  • Dribs–try explaining how mankind created or melted the Ice caps 12,000 or so years ago. Please try real hard, I doubt U can.

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  • @Money Brain

    We have had these exchanges before on BU. Of course there has always been climate change though the ages. The issue here is the higher level of emissions given the types of activities we engage on Mother Earth these days. It is incumbent on educated human beings to evaluate and adjust to protect the ecosystem.

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  • @ Money Brain, January 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM #

    YOU ARE VERY VERY UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT ” Dribs (TO BE ABLE TO ) try to control your Drivel and Dribble.

    YOU ARE VERY VERY UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT ” Dribs TO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINTS THAT ” that Politicians dont have a clue and dont intend to solve the real problem so they concoct titles to confuse those that cant think.”

    YOU ARE VERY VERY UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT ” Dribs TO ” try explaining how mankind created or melted the Ice caps 12,000 or so years ago.,” WHEN YOU KNOW THAT BOTH HE AND THE OTHER BU BRIMBLERS ARE UNABLE TO DO SO.

    TALKING SHITE BY BU BRIMBLERS IN THIER DAILY DRIVEL IS NOT THE SAME AS LOGICAL REASONING WHICH REQUIRES AT A MINIMUM THE USE OF FACTS.

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  • Of course there has always been climate change though the ages
    question: were these climate changes though the ages due to “emmisions”?……..
    what caused these climate changes then?
    do we know for sure by reproducible experiments or observations that emmisions are causing contemporary climate change?
    or is climate change caused by shite talk of so called scientists and politicians?
    what do science illiterates know about anything?
    I am off course asking as one who evinces or failed education system…lol lol
    i do understand that BU brimblers are outstanding examples of those who are not failures in this regard.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, its remarkable how u read the same data point as @MoneyB but can rationalize so much more practically than the good gentleman. Yours is as succinct as one can seek.

    I surely accused him of political posturing to reinforce the point that obviously – as he had also alluded to- this matter must be seen outside stupid political palaver; yet he retorted as he did. Annoyingly amusing! 😁

    @MB pls do step forward and own your record here. Yours is a right of center slant, frankly as is mine slanted left of that center median. I do not and did not dispute the science so it’s nonsensical of you to claim as such. Alas.

    I presume you can Google the melted ice caps of eons ago unless of course you participated in the debates then also and can provide first hand details…but in either case my input is clearly superfluous.

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  • It’s only the denialists who try to inject issues of historic climate change

    The few pseudo scientists who posit these notions are in the pay of the fossil fuels industry, as proven.

    These same forces are predictably Christian-Zionist-dominionist and their criminal acolytes like Georgie Porgie, as they support the bankrupt ideology enabling corporatist/military crusaders.

    The same people who today still contend that the earth is only 6000 years old now want to pretend that there is nothing different happening.

    It matters not that the very fossil fuels have been developed by Pachamama over billions of years.

    For them these represent no contradictions. The same igrunt people who would have agreed 500 years ago that the world was flat. Their bible writen by people who saw the world as flat.

    These climate change events are not in their false bible you see. Maybe they should consider rewriting their pack of fables, like done in the past, to seem more relevant.

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  • Some people write a whole lotta shite to make sure we know they are educated and intelligent.

    just saying.

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  • David, thanks for the link.
    My point is to stop the BS and reduce the pollution directly and measurably—-how on Earth is that wrong or political? as per Dribs.

    Why should the US pay $100bn to their competitors? When do we expect that China, EE and India would return the complement and pay back the US as good lil humans?

    China will brek fuh demselves and CRUSH all a we when they gain full control!

    What and when are the main Polluters going to pay ie China, EE and India.

    What are they going to do to reduce the pollution they create?

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  • @Hants

    It is chilly in your neck of the woods eh?

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  • re Their bible writen by people who saw the world as flat.
    Pachamama could you please kindly tell me where the Bible says that the world is flat. Just give me two such texts.

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  • GP,
    I am considering changing my moniker to Unreasonable One. hahaha

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  • @Money Brain

    The challenge will always be that these issues are wrapped in the political. What underlies political decisions your ask? Follow the money.

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  • HANTS
    Some people write a whole lotta shite to indicate that they can talk as much shite as any BU BRIMBLER . BARE MOCK SPORT IN THE RUM SHOP MAN. ALL I NEED NOW IS SOME PUDDING AND SOUSE

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    MoneyB…ya acting like if US is not also one of the lead emitters on the earth and on a smaller scale Canada, have you ever seen the number of smokestacks in the US…being biased will not change the truth.

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  • @ David,

    Chilly ? Yes. Only minus 20c…..outside but plus 25c inside.

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  • Dribs,
    I believe in INCENTIVISM.

    The standard Right and Left, Capitalist and Socialist all have major flaws. Lefties want to cast dispersions on anyone who does not follow their lead, although there is plenty proof that societies employing Socialist policies are wasting money that could be better utilised in actually improving lives for many.
    Traditionally Capitalist societies like the US and HK have failed to help people with Education, Healthcare etc. Canada has HC but it could be better organised more efficient / effective if not for political vote buying by politicians who refuse to make sensible changes because of potential negative impressions by wasteful voters who think money grows on trees.

    You are Lefty but based on what proof that the actions that you agree with actually work.

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  • The Universe,Life,Existence are all mysteries.Can any of you barbados scholars accurately name one of your ancestors born in the 8 th century.
    Fracking on the other hand is creating earthquake conditions in Texas today.Man, particularly the albino man will never understand why the first people of Africa,Australia and the Americas prefer to live in tune with Mother Nature, up to this day.

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  • Hants, U forgetting to mention windchill it is easily below —25C.

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  • Here’s a little more of Neil deGrasse Tyson

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Bush Tea January 6, 2018 at 9:40 AM
    “THE END IS NEAR….. as for all living systems, death is inevitable.
    When that time approaches,
    – everywhere hurts…
    – everything is extreme – winters, summers, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes – just like old folks
    …especially if someone abused their youth.
    So to some extent, it is influenced by human actions.
    Just as individuals who live healthy, sensible, moderate lives can expect to enjoy a generally healthier old age, so too would the earth-system have enjoyed a healthier ‘old age’ if we had been more circumspect in our exploitation of its natural systems.”

    You do tell a rattling good yarn with the title “THE END IS NEAR”.

    There is only One force capable of bring this planet to an end and that is the Star which created it in the first instance.

    What will happen is that Pachamama, when she is ready, will shake you set of miserable self-destructive parasites off Her back just as She has done with many other species including your primate ancestors.

    This planet has been hit by all kinds of forces, some million of times more powerfully destructive than today’s puny man’s total nuclear arsenal, but still survives.

    From asteroids to comets have had their impact but Mother Earth and Father Sun are still here and being fruitful and multiplying.

    The child-like biblical tale of Lot and his daughters ought to be taken at more than a simplistic superficial interpretation of potential challenges faced by puny mankind.

    Today’s humans (monkey man) are no more than a bunch of uncouth classless visitors to Her home abusing the privileges of comfort and overstaying their time until the rise of the machine man becomes a pervasive reality.

    That’s the only way the WORD (knowledge or science) can travel to the place from where it came.

    George Carlin ‘is’ one of my favourite ‘serious’ comedians of deep political and spiritual thought (May Perpetual Light Shine on Him).
    Have a listen to him!
    He comes highly recommended by our own BU Pachamama.

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  • WW, did I say that the US is not a polluter? US creates most of the pollution over Canada! The point is reduce the bloody Pollutants emitted but dont play games with CC and GW etc. Take action based on measurable reductions. What bias? Direct problem identification and solutions.

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  • Saw a windchill of -124F forecast for Mt Washington yesterday.Actual was -90F

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  • Sarge,
    Neilis clever, notice how he starts off very broad and narrows to pollution.

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  • Current temp in Barbados at 3.30pm AST….1930GMT…..22c

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    Fracking on the other hand is creating earthquake conditions in Texas today.Man, particularly the albino man will never understand why the first people of Africa,Australia and the Americas prefer to live in tune with Mother Nature, up to this day.

    they have always been arrogant and disdainful of earth and her people and believe the can go up against Mother Nature and win using their same centuries old greed, arrogance and disrespect, but she will cull them by the hundreds of million making the Jamaica, Port Royal earthquake centuries ago look like a breeze.

    Mount St. Helen in Washington is rumbling and grumbling, when it rains, it will pour..

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    Jamaica’s ‘wickedest city’ Port Royal banks on heritage

    The glory days of Port Royal ended on 7 June 1692, when a massive earthquake and tsunami, described by the local clergy as God’s punishment, sank much of the city into the sea, killing 2,000 people.

    Much of the city is preserved just a few metres under water, along with several hundred sunken ships in the harbour.

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  • @Gabriel

    Good comment.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service January 6, 2018 at 4:07 PM

    WW@C&P, have you ever had the good fortune of entering the “Giddy House” to experience that weird feeling?

    It seems as if gravity just takes over your body and sense of balance to show you how insignificant a creature we humans are.

    But we have been genetically endowed (DNA manipulation) with the gift of ART by the gods to make us more than mere primates so we might understand and consequently change our physical world.

    The legend of Prometheus bring Fire to man has more to it as a tale of Wisdom than the Hebrew story of the snake bringing knowledge to Adam through Eve.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @MB you call in “incentivism” and David Mr Blogmaster defines it as “… these issues are wrapped in the political”. And he concludes that we need to “Follow the money”. In blunt, crass blog speak it is the proverbial cluster phuck: everyone doing the other!

    How else can one parse your assertion that the major polluters like China, India should be the ones paying the largesse and not the first world powers as mind numbingly remarkable when one knows – as YOU do also – the history of world development which saw those first world folks pillage and over-pollute as they super sized their economies with awesome industrial development circa early 19 Cen.

    Of course China and India and others in EE are now super sizing on energy usage and sans controls they are polluting significantly…but let’s realistically deal with the facts of development of HOW we got here and who needs to step up and lead !

    I don’t argue to evolve some leftist agenda…that’s stupid. I examine on the merits and seek a rational basis to get to the best conclusion…it’s never about ideology…

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    these have to see hell on earth for centuries of unpaid evil…there must be an accounting, Karma will expect her pound of flesh…their hell has not yet begun.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-heatwave-weather-hot-road-melting-highway-emergency-services-warning-latest-a8145366.html

    ` The “catastrophic” hot weather caused a 10km stretch of the Hume Highway, near the Victoria state capital Melbourne, to become soft and sticky, causing havoc for motorists trying to enter the city.

    Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania have now declared a total fire ban after blazes on the outskirts of Melbourne raged out of control, destroying buildings and threatening lives…..`

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  • Some more of Neil DeGrasse Tyson

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  • Barbados is doing its part for the environment..instead of pumping sewage into the ocean it is keeping it on land

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    It seems as if gravity just takes over your body and sense of balance to show you how insignificant a creature we humans are

    No Miller….but knowledge is being dispersed these days to who is already awake, ya cant receive knowledge if ya fast asleep.

    lack of respect for the privilege to breathe oxygen, greed for more and more of what never belonged to them and which none of them ever put here will manifest into a display to remind them all how insignificant they and their paper world is and can so easily be reduced to rubble, melting roads and ashes.

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  • RE lawson January 6, 2018 at 4:48 PM #
    Barbados is doing its part for the environment..instead of pumping sewage into the ocean it is keeping it on land
    THATS SO VERY AWFUL!
    NOW OUR POLLUTION WILL CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE!
    MURDAH!

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  • @Sargeant

    You are a Tyson fan? Can a brain discover new information about nature without being boxed/constrained by what is evidence based? Is this what he is saying?

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  • Dribs,
    I said I am an Incentivist which has nothing to do with anything David said and was purely in reponse to your Righty / Lefty contention.

    Humans only understand Carrot and Stick ie Incentive and Disincentive.

    The 19th C is long gone and even 20th C has passed–none of the people of that time are extant now so that is all irrelevant.

    Today we are all expected to reduce pollution. Why should Western nations encourage their competitors? Surely U dont desire a much lower standard of living when China / India rule the World. This is part of an economic War today, a war we must not lose if we want to maintain a higher standard of living. Naturally, U are free to enjoy living close to the bottom of the pile, I prefer being near the top and will invest in ChInDia etc as or when Westerners with your mindset sellout. I deal with today NOT with how we got here from 1700s.

    If you dont reduce pollution dont expect to trade with us. China should not have been permitted into to the WTO without agrreing to Labour standards, pollution, Patent Protection and much more.

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  • Bernard Codrington

    @ dpD at 4 :43 PM

    Wuhloss. I agree with your positions. Incentivism is a political tool. It is a polite term for a bribe.John in an earlier intervention pointed out that the “satanic mills” were prevalent in Britain in the19th century. The same was true in USA. And is it not a political promise of Trump to relocate manufacturing to USA mainland?

    The second issue is that of viewing climatic changes as if they are not part of a cycle in Earth’s history. There are many things in this world that are unknowable.

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  • @David
    All the new information about nature is science based, sometimes we reject the evidence for political or religious reasons. No responsible scientist would risk his reputation by submitting some claim without proof. They may postulate theories based on their research but they have to be tested before they are universally accepted.

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  • Bernard Codrington

    To my mind Global warming and now Global freezing suggest to me that there is little or no substance to the theory that man’s activities is the prime cause of the apparent capricious nature of Earth’s climate.

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  • @ Bernard
    Don’t confuse yourself with non-financial matters such as this.

    Global warming is a term used to refer to the net average global temperature as calculated by a standard agreed formula.
    No (intelligent) person questions the FACT that this average temperature has been increasing almost annually.

    Extreme freezing on the other hand, is not mutually exclusive. It just points to the FACT that while global average temperatures are RISING, peaks of cold extremes are ALSO being observed.

    Put 1 and 1 together and you should come up with 11.

    It CLEARLY points to unusually WIDE SWINGS in temperature extremes.
    This spells clear signs of a control system going OUT OF BALANCE….. like a cyclist in the process of losing his balance during a “speed wobble”.

    The best analogy for you and Money Brain would be the stock market… going to record highs, while seeing intermittent extreme crashes such as 2008.
    No doubt you know what is coming… (this year…?)
    LOL

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  • Bushy,
    Annual increases in Temp?
    Where is the data on that?
    The last 30-40 years would would suffice, Thanks.

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  • Bernard Codrington

    @ Sargeant at 5 :51 PM

    I think I understand what you meant to say. But a your intervention as written it could be misleading.
    All new information on Nature do not pass the test for science. Some of them are speculative and their experiments not replicable.
    Not all scientists are responsible. Being a scientist does not make one ethical/moral or infallible.
    There has been theories that were universally accepted which were subsequently found to be untrue.
    Science is a work in progress. When it ceases to be this, then it is not science.

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  • @Hants
    With the wind chill it is -40c up here and I am comfortable with 72F inside. Anything above that is uncomfortable and drying, to skin, hair, even eyes. You need to add insulation to your attic and get better performing windows if you need 25C which is around 77F. I would sweat at that temperature. You have been in Canada a long time……you should be acclimatized by now.

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  • @ Money B
    Where is the data on that?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    All over boss…
    e.g.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

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  • Bernard Codrington

    Bush Tea at 6:35 PM

    Money B has dealt with the substance of your argument.

    No, I do not know what is coming later this year because an average of the previous outcomes would be speculative. There are too many outliers and outliars in the game. Ha Ha Ha LOL!!!!

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  • @ Bernard
    Money B has no clue.
    Poor fella still thinks that his lotta money will somehow protect him…..
    By the time this cold spell is done with him, he will be pulling grass from his underwear. LOL

    …and
    Don’t worry your head about what is coming this year.
    Enjoy yourself to the max.
    That is probably the best option anyway….at this stage.

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  • @ Money B
    Where is the data on that?
    The last 30-40 years would would suffice, Thanks.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Hope that 140 years of scientific research did not overwhelm you….
    LOL
    ha ha ha

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  • Bernard Codrington

    Bush Tea

    I am taking your advice as usual. Thanks.

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  • Dr. Simple "Riff-Raff" Simon fake Phd.and all

    @ Mohammed Iqbal Degia “dirt-filled, ugly mess that pretty snow soon transforms to in cities.”

    This was my first experience of snow, on the way from the airport in spring, I saw the ugly dirt filled mess and couldn’t believe it.

    However later there were other beautiful snow days, fluffy snow, snow like coconut jelly, shimmering crystalline snow, and sometimes an ice storm which left Christmas car icicles hanging from the trees and the eaves.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @MoneyB, your views are pellucid. You have power and will certainly not cede it without a major fight. Why would you.

    I personally nor for my family -extended- do not desire a lower standard of living. I am fully aware tho that even as I strive to enhance my lot in life built on the backs of those who toiled slavishly to grow this wondrous economy which you and your ancestors so masterfully controlled and protected that others want theirs too…

    And frankly they also have no desire for the lower standards of life either.

    Amazing that you perceive that YOU are somehow entitled to your position on top of the pile and that I forsee the coming change as desiring to be on the bottom of the pile and selling out. Truly an amazing perspective ….of color bias, or class bias or just freaking snobbish arrogance!

    Incidentally, I have no issue with pollution reduction in China and India, in fact God above knows that millions of Mumbians or those in Shanghai or Beijin desperately want that reduction also, but it is rich – pun n all- for you to pompesette that you in the westefn world can pollute for years and years to make your riches and woe are these Johnny-come-lately to dis your demands that they get their act together pronto.

    Spoken like de true massa with word from on high!

    Ah well, I must be that bottom pic’in, low life lefty sell out.

    And @Bernard C glad to see that at least one other person interpreted the incentivism euphemism similarly.

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  • Dr. Simple "Riff-Raff" Simon fake Phd.and all

    @Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service January 6, 2018 at 9:44 AM “Greenland, etc, areas where no one lives, ”

    What?

    60,000 Innu people live in Greenland, and have lived there for thousands of years, and will likly continue living there for thousands of years more.

    I wouldn’t call that “no one’

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  • Dr. Simple "Riff-Raff" Simon fake Phd.and all

    @Money Brain, January 6, 2018 at 1:46 PM “Dribs–try explaining how mankind created or melted the Ice caps 12,000 or so years ago. ”

    Then like now, mankind melted the ice caps by talking a lot of hot air.

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  • Dr. Simple Simon

    Thanks Mohammed.

    Beautiful essay, good pictures. I am wondering though will the palm trees recover from this cold/snow spell?

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Dr. Simple…they will snap back in the spring, the wonders of Mother Nature.

    And…there are areas which is basically much of inland Greenland where no one lives just like there are areas of Canada where no one lives…too damn cold, too close to the coldest areas of the subarctic …not even the native Inuit of either regions are brave enough to try.

    You will find no one in certain parts of the Yukon Tundra.

    “The territory has the smallest population of any province or territory in Canada, with 35,874 people. Whitehorse is the territorial capital and Yukon’s only city. … Most of Yukon has a subarctic climate, characterized by long cold winters and brief warm summers. The Arctic Ocean coast has a tundra climate

    “Yukon, formerly Yukon Territory, territory of northwestern Canada, an area of rugged mountains and high plateaus. It is bounded by the Northwest Territories to the east, by British Columbia to the south, and by the U.S. state of Alaska to the west, and it extends northward above the Arctic Circle to the Beaufort Sea.”

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  • Dribs,
    U intentionally attempt to misunderstand and reposition what I write but that wont work with me.

    Why must U always attempt to bring in a RACIAL angle when I was referring to the West versus the East? The West includes U and yours. The hard headed here refuse to accept that the majority of British people were historically under significant pressure from the upper classes there. Part of my family rebelled at Monmouth and were Barbadosed, hardly likely to be actual oppressors. My advice is to solicit allies and not try to create enemies.

    I never stated that I was entitled to anything Dribs, but I certainly dont intend to sellout like many politicians and very powerful Business people have. Fantastic that just maybe the Clintons and their “foundation” may be fully investigated, hopefully with absolute thoroughness and professionalism. I like living in a relatively rich part of the world and just because China, EE and India have decided that Communism and very bureaucratic Socialism does NOT and can NOT work, why should I encourage their growth when it is obvious that they are such a gargantuan part of humanity that they could crush the rest of us? Poor “leadership” in NtmAm and Europe is conducting much to assist their own demise. Do U want to live with 30%+ unemployment ie Depression for many years? I have no desire to switch places with the East. If roles were reversed do U really believe that China would treat the West as kindly? NOT on your life!

    Why do I have to continuously make the point that when China is in total control we will all be in danger. China is currently embroiled in territorial disputes with India, Malaysia, The Phillipines, Indonesia, Vietnam et al. They have more than 1.2 BN people and a couple hundred more “overseas” (richer than average too) that are still ethnic Chinese who may well be persuaded to assist when necessary.

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