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Jeff Cumberbatch – Chairman of the FTC and Deputy Dean, Law Faculty, UWI, Cave Hill

Last week, the first part of this column treated the submission by Sir Hilary Beckles, Vice Chancellor of the University of the West Indies, that the statue of Lord Admiral Horatio Nelson had outlived its incongruous presence in Heroes Square and that its continued presence there makes Barbados a deviant and a pariah in the community of progressive nations that oppose publicly revering persons (such as Nelson) known to have committed โ€œcrimes against humanityโ€.

In that first part, I also bemoaned the absence of a popular discourse on the Vice Chancellorโ€™s proposal, an absence that I found mystifying. In the past week, however, there has been some public reaction to the proposal, most of it predictably defensive of preservation of the status quo rather than of its alteration by one jot or tittle.

For example, in last Fridayโ€™s edition of the Barbados Advocate, a correspondent, Mr Michael Rudder, chose to pray in aid the undeniable reality of the criminally forcible mix of the races present in most if not all slave societies and to wonder โ€œif any of my African ancestors were responsible for selling any of their โ€œbrothersโ€ to those who carried on the slave tradeโ€ while he admits knowledge that the family of one Caucasian ancestor did have slaves.

He then proceeds to make the amazing rhetorical point that since we are all mixed, โ€œwhat does it matter that some ancestor was a so-called white supremacist? And he continues still rhetorically, โ€œDid your ancestor see him/herself as such? Do we see ourselves as black supremacists?

Essentially, he makes the point that we should acknowledge our history and move on and not โ€œkeep holding up the rear mirror of our pastโ€.

It is tempting to read this opinion in a sense clearly not intended by the author and to treat it as an agreement with Sir Hilaryโ€™s thesis that officially to maintain the statue of Lord Nelson in its current location is to hold up the rear view mirror of 1813 Barbados when Nelson was a hero to the existing societal structure, the identical structure that was to be the target of a slave rebellion a mere three years later, officially recognized by the elevation of one of its reputed leaders to the highest national status. Indeed, there is a bit of a paradox in having both of these men elevated to this lofty status, even if that status of one of them is now merely situational.

It is a conundrum that seems to pervade Barbadian society, where the general attitude appears to be โ€œI do not really care what they do about Lord Nelson, but he is part of our historyโ€ OR the more extreme and silly, โ€œif we move Nelson then we should remove all traces of English influence, including place names, titles and perhaps surnamesโ€ฆโ€

Veteran columnist Patrick Hoyos in his column last Sunday required โ€œsome sort of consistent rationale if Nelson should be movedโ€ although he did not spell out what would constitute such consistency or who would be the ultimate arbiter of it.

Mr Hoyos also appears to have interpreted Sir Hilaryโ€™s letter in a way different to me. He construes the following passages from the Beckles letter as indicating that Sir Hilary would not have minded Nelson remaining standing so long as he was overlooking Carlisle Bay contemplating his exploits beyond the horizonโ€ฆโ€

โ€œ The Democratic Labour Party turned it around and deepened its roots when it had the opportunity to move it to a marine park on the pier.

โ€ข The Barbados Labour Party did not wish the Right Excellent Errol Barrow at the centre of Parliament Square and placed him out of sight of the Assembly in what was a public car park. Nelson remained in the more prominent placeโ€.

Perhaps owing to my professional training, I prefer to base the gist of an opinion on the interpretation that what is stated later should generally overrule an earlier statute or decision that is inconsistent with it through the doctrine of implied repeal. I prefer to ascertain Sir Hilaryโ€™s sentiments from his final paragraphs-

โ€œThe assumption is growing, I have been informed, that the Government might rather citizens, in an act of moral civil disobedience, to take matters in their own hands, and remove the offending obstacle to democracy. This has been the case in the United States and South Africa.

Quietly, state officials could slip away and say that the people have spoken. Such alliances of active citizens and passive state have moved many societies. Barbados must move on.โ€

This most assuredly does not read as a paean to a mere relocation of the statue to me.

O Dominica!

I should wish to express my sincere best wishes for the full renaissance and recovery of the island of Dominica after its devastation by Hurricane Maria during last week. Owing to my occupation, I have come into contact with many of the people of that island whether as teachers, classmates, or most latterly students, and they have been without exception, some of the most gracious and warmest people you will ever encounter. Dominica was also the first country that I slept in outside of Barbados when as a member of the Animation Choir under the leadership of Mr Harold Rock, I sailed there by the Federal Palm, I believe, in 1968. I do not remember much of it now; except partaking of the sweet lime fruit and hazarding a taste of stewed mountain chicken.

My more recent visits unfortunately have been severely limited in duration and in free time, but I have seem the photographs of the recent destruction wrought and I weep for the country I remember.

O Dominica, the land of beauty

The land of verdant and glorious sunshineโ€ฆ


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499 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – “…The Ball that Shot Nelson” (2)”

  1. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John,
    a) The copious historical record establishes beyond a shadow of doubt “what the people in 1813 thought.” They wrote it down. They acted on it in a myriad of ways. They enacted it into legislation. They gave speeches in parliament. I mean… really John… what do you think the historical record is?

    b) Lord Nelsons contributions to debates in the House of Lords are matters of the public historical record. He was indeed a servant of the King in opposing โ€œthe damnable doctrines of Wilberforce and his hypocritical alliesโ€

    Again John, I wonder at your state of mind.


  2. I made the cardinal error of assuming which I admonished Yardbroom not to make all those years ago.


  3. b) Lord Nelsons contributions to debates in the House of Lords are matters of the public historical record. He was indeed a servant of the King in opposing โ€œthe damnable doctrines of Wilberforce and his hypocritical alliesโ€
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Did you know that Wilberforce opposed the abolition of slavery?!!

  4. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    It really shouldn’t be so easy John, to blow your arguments out of the water.

  5. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Yes, Wilberforce thought that slavery would wither away of its own accord after abolition of the slave trade. How naive.

  6. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    So we have established that Wilberforce was naive, Nelson was evil, and that you are on Nelson’s side.


  7. peterlawrencethompson September 24, 2017 at 11:31 AM #
    Yes, Wilberforce thought that slavery would wither away of its own accord after abolition of the slave trade. How naive.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually ….. no, you are wrong again!!

    You have done exactly what I did with Jefferson, assume so I can’t blame you!!

    … but, you are making it a habit.

    I will leave you to look it up which I know you can!!

    If you have difficulty finding it let me know, I will give you a clue.

    He was extremely positive about his opposition to the abolition of slavery.

    You might even say racist!!!

    But it made perfect sense!!

  8. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    David September 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM #
    This is entirely correct. The “history of the space we occupy” is much too important to us to allow John and his ilk to efface and distort it.

  9. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    John, you used to be such a bright ladโ€ฆ I am still truly flabbergasted by the stupidity and weakness of your arguments here.

    it`s systemic in the minority population and designed so that they mayremain parasites and termites in the lives of the majority population…indefinitely.


  10. @ peterlawrencethompson who wrote ” I have some (probably misplaced) compassion for

    John because I remember the lad of 45 years ago”

    Peter you were probably “well brought up” by compassionate middle class parents.

    I was in some forms at Kolij with your older brother who was one of the “good boys”.

    Still don’t understand why after living in North America you have compassion for a white supremacist .

  11. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John,
    I’ve made no mistake. Of course William Wilberforce (1759 โ€“ 1833) was racist, as were almost all of his British contemporaries, but he was a pivotal member of the British parliamentary processes to abolish the trade in enslaved people in 1807. Later in his life, long after Nelson was dead, Wilberforce came around to understand that enslavement had not disappeared with stopping the trade, so he worked both in and out of parliament toward the emancipation of enslaved people.

  12. Theophilus Gazerts Avatar
    Theophilus Gazerts

    “In fact, I would posit that there is no need for historians!!! Automation is rendering them obsolete.”

    I would have fallen to such an argument in the past, but seeing you rewrite and twist our history make me believe that there is an even greater need for historian.

    Can you imagine a John in 2070, googling all the stuff of John 2017 wrote and passing it off as a historical fact. Without folks like PLT taking the time to point out your fallacies, your prodigious propaganda efforts may become a large part of the historical record of Barbados at some time in the future,

    In fact, you are doing nothing more than creating the big lie, which some poor ‘historian’ of the future will have to refute.


  13. Jeff Cumberbatch September 24, 2017 at 9:35 AM #

    Perhaps we should insist that any Nelson surname be legally changed to remove all traces of our past!!

    How about renaming Nelson Street as Barrow Boulevard?

  14. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    So, how would you go about proving that Bussa or Busso or Bussoe was a name of African Origins?

    there is another database to search depending on how good the savages were at record keeping..

    Indigenous US Native Blacks and Indians.were also deported and removed. sent to Africa and through the Caribbean so they could import African slaves….t

    ….hat is why only DNA ancestry testing can guarantee to pin down where Caribbean blacks originated…it`s not only about the british, the french, dutch, portugal, belgium and spain were switching people around all the time.

  15. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Hants said “Still donโ€™t understand why after living in North America you have compassion for a white supremacist.”

    I’m an atheist, but still think there is some wisdom in Matthew 5:44

  16. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    So John, let’s stick to topic. I’ve demolished your ridiculous implication that we cannot “…know what the people in 1813 thought…” and I’ve shown beyond a shadow of doubt that Nelson considered it his “duty” and service to his King to defend the evil middle passage and promote the enslavement of Black people.

    So, given these facts, do you support:
    a) putting up honest and truthful signage explaining how that statue of Nelson came to be,
    b) removing the statue to a place that is more appropriate,
    c) doing nothing except continuing to argue about it.


  17. Hal Austin September 24, 2017 at 11:54 AM #
    Jeff Cumberbatch September 24, 2017 at 9:35 AM #
    Perhaps we should insist that any Nelson surname be legally changed to remove all traces of our past!!
    How about renaming Nelson Street as Barrow Boulevard?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a Nile Street and a Trafalgar Street!!

    Both commemorate his battles.

    https://www.facebook.com/barbados.island/posts/143707295706087

    Pretty sure we would all agree that Nile can stay because it commemorates the day, August 1st when Nelson saved Africa from French invasion!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Nile

    Nile Street is named after a British Man of War that brought the then Prince of Wales in the 1800’s to Barbados and the British Man of War is named after …. well, you guessed it ….The Battle of the Nile.

    I can’t remember for sure, can’t find Warren Alleyne’s book on Historic Bridgetown.

    Maybe Peter can search!!


  18. ‘It would be wrong to emancipate (the slaves). To grant freedom to them immediately would be to insure not only their masters’ ruin, but their own. They must (first) be trained and educated for freedom’.

    I agree!!

  19. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John, you are trying to divert the conversation into irrelevant trivia again


  20. So, at the bottom of Broad Street we will see a sign explaining the origins of the name Nile Street.

    It will say, Nile Street, so named to commemorate the Battle of the Nile of August 1st 1798 when Nelson saved Africa from French invasion. August 1st was later chosen as the day slaves received their emancipation more than a generation later perhaps also to commemorate Nelson’s close links with Africa …. Baron of the Nile etc etc etc.

    That’s how Nelson got into the House of Lords!!!

    August 1st 1798!!

    Then we get to Nelson’s Statue and Peter’s sign.

    … and finally to Trafalgar Street which also needs a sign.

    What will it say?

    I suggest “You have passed along Broad Street and seen firsthand the absolute schizophrenic nature of Barbadians on display. If you don’t believe, then visit Barrow Boulevard for confirmation”


  21. peterlawrencethompson September 24, 2017 at 12:51 PM #
    @John, you are trying to divert the conversation into irrelevant trivia again
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am quoting Wilberforce’s words, with which I agree which shows he was not naรฏve as you claim!!

    His head was on straight!!

  22. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John, Lord Nelson worked as hard as he could to defeat Wilberforce and perpetuate the enslavement of Black people. This discussion is about Nelson and his statue in Barbados. Given the facts about Nelson and his statue:
    a) This statue was erected by racists to celebrate the life of Lord Nelson,
    b) Lord Nelson [was] a White supremacist who used his political and military career to promote the enslavement of Black people.
    Do you support:
    a) putting up honest and truthful signage explaining these facts about how that statue of Nelson came to be,
    b) removing the statue to a place that is more appropriate,
    c) doing nothing except continuing to argue about it.

  23. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    i would take Johns fable of nelson saving Africa from the french as that...a fairytale....its more like nelson was tiefing Africa for the british so that the french did not steal it for themselves…

    ….nelson was not doing Africans any favors, both UK and france were and will always be thieves in Africa….nothing to glorify….they divvied up a continent that was never theirs.

    PLT…ya see the viciousness of John…..the freed slaves would have survived fine without indoctrination and miseducation….there was a language barrier, understandable….but what must be recognised is despite the miseducation and british indoctrination, that language barrier still exists today…

    the intent was free labor from the beginning, it is still the intent on the island by John and his ilk…

    that was by design and the sole reason for the miseducation.

    so…to fully destroy that intent, still very much alive on the island today and as i have said previously on another thread…this is something i will use certain quarters to push forโ€ฆ

    ….recognition of the universal human rights of the majority population in Barbados so those fundamental human rights can no longer be ignored, misused and abused by the minority population..

    these minorities are still very much a threat to the majority population on the island, if not stopped in their tracks.

  24. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John said “I am quoting Wilberforceโ€™s words, with which I agree […] His head was on straight!!”

    So by this statement you are acknowledging that Lord Nelson’s head was not on straight because he bitterly opposed Wilberforce at every opportunity. Yet there is no Wilberforce Square in Barbados, no Wilberforce Street… is there even a Wilberforce Lane, Wilberforce Alley or Wilberforce Cart Rd? Hmmm You don’t think perhaps that this could be a subtle clue to let us “know what the people in 1813 thought…?”


  25. John September 24, 2017 at 10:32 AM #
    Two years before Yardbroom passed away he published an article on BU>

    John,

    I am saddened by this, as I was not aware that Yardbroom had passed away. I thought that, as some do, he had just stopped writing here.

    Thank you for the information.

    Yardbroom, what a gentleman. Logical, polite, wise.


  26. Nelson’s era was one of colonial expansionism by the european tribes,requiring loads of labour which was readily supplied by the kingdoms of the Niger delta in west Africa.

    The european tribes were controlled by the Christian church that justified the enslavement of a fellow human being.

    Nelson as a servant of his king who was the god head of the british church was very obedient as were all of the people of then then western world with very few exceptions.

    Nelsons statue reflects the thinking of the people of those times and should remain with whatever epitaph anyone wishes to place on it,which in turn will reflect the thinking of these time and in 200 years another epitaph will be placed on it.

    The full and true story of the rise of Capitalism and the means used up to this day to perpetuate it needs to be properly told as the research has already been done.

    One of the means capitalism uses is to create a divide and rule situation which is spread through the educational system of the western world by the use of alt-facts and fake news,this is then disseminated by 5th columnists as well as members of ones own tribe.

  27. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    …and they would not want a wilberforce anything on the island because the governors of those days were well aware that wilberfore only advocated when it was no longer profitable for slavery to end in UK….

    ..he was more than comfortable for slavery to continue in Barbados and around the Caribbean unabated, those were not his concern.


  28. By the way, anyone know if BAFBFP is still around?

  29. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent Haynes said “Nelsons statue reflects the thinking of the people of those times and should remain with whatever epitaph anyone wishes to place on it,which in turn will reflect the thinking of these time…”

    So you choose option a). Can I put you down for a contribution toward the cost of the new explanatory plaque?


  30. peterlawrencethompson September 24, 2017 at 1:39 PM #

    So you choose option a). Can I put you down for a contribution toward the cost of the new explanatory plaque?

    Answer: No …. once plaques are acceptable I will place my own and encourage all others to do the same.

  31. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    Vincent is full of himself…easy to dispense with..

    him and John have given me a new project, with a sense of purpose..

    thanks to their warped minds, it was bound to happen though, they gotta be set straight, there are too few of them on the island not to be set right.

  32. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    Answer: No โ€ฆ. once plaques are acceptable I will place my own ......

    while telling the majority population whom HE thinks they should be..


  33. WWC

    Praise the lord…….long may your project last…….may even reverse your dementia.

  34. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    i know that one shocked ya cause ya were not expecting it, ya should read more material and access information that relates to reality …..

    if ya had, ya would know that there are international laws against violating the universal human rights of people in in any country or island, now ya know…..and so too do many bajans.

    so dementia that…


  35. WWC

    Hahahaha……wuhloss…….poor fool.

  36. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Thanks fir the opportunity….

    The obligation to protect requires States to protect individuals and groups against human rights abuses. … Through ratification of international human rights treaties, Governments undertake to put into place domestic measures and legislation compatible with their treaty obligations and duties.

    All human rights are indivisible, whether they are civil and political rights, such as the right to life, equality before the law and freedom of expression; economic, social and cultural rights, such as the rights to work, social security and education , or collective rights, such as the rights to development and self- …

    UNITED NATIONS
    UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

    UNITED NATIONS
    UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
    Simplified Version
    This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people.

    We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.
    Donโ€™t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.
    The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety.
    No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave.
    No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us.
    You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you!
    Weโ€™re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly.
    Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly.
    No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country.
    The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do.
    Weโ€™re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true.
    The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason.
    Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish.
    The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe.
    Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.
    Marriage and Family. Every grown-up has the right to marry and have a family if they want to. Men and women have the same rights when they are married, and when they are separated.
    The Right to Your Own Things. Everyone has the right to own things or share them. Nobody should take our things from us without a good reason.
    Freedom of Thought. We all have the right to believe in what we want to believe, to have a religion, or to change it if we want.
    Freedom of Expression. We all have the right to make up our own minds, to think what we like, to say what we think, and to share our ideas with other people.
    The Right to Public Assembly. We all have the right to meet our friends and to work together in peace to defend our rights. Nobody can make us join a group if we donโ€™t want to.
    The Right to Democracy. We all have the right to take part in the government of our country. Every grown-up should be allowed to choose their own leaders.
    Social Security. We all have the right to affordable housing, medicine, education, and childcare, enough money to live on and medical help if we are ill or old.
    Workersโ€™ Rights. Every grown-up has the right to do a job, to a fair wage for their work, and to join a trade union.
    The Right to Play. We all have the right to rest from work and to relax.
    Food and Shelter for All. We all have the right to a good life. Mothers and children, people who are old, unemployed or disabled, and all people have the right to be cared for.
    The Right to Education. Education is a right. Primary school should be free. We should learn about the United Nations and how to get on with others. Our parents can choose what we learn.
    Copyright. Copyright is a special law that protects oneโ€™s own artistic creations and writings; others cannot make copies without permission. We all have the right to our own way of life and to enjoy the good things that art, science and learning bring.
    A Fair and Free World. There must be proper order so we can all enjoy rights and freedoms in our own country and all over the world.
    Responsibility. We have a duty to other people, and we should protect their rights and freedoms.
    No One Can Take Away Your Human Rights.


  37. Crusoe September 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM #
    By the way, anyone know if BAFBFP is still around?

    WHAT ABOUT DE HOOD AND YARDBROOM?

  38. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    “The Right to Your Own Things. Everyone has the right to own things or share them. Nobody should take our things from us without a good reason.”


  39. Georgie Porgie September 24, 2017 at 2:45 PM #
    Crusoe September 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM #
    By the way, anyone know if BAFBFP is still around?
    WHAT ABOUT DE HOOD AND YARDBROOM?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yardbroom passed away in October 2014.

    RIP

    Don’t know about DE HOOD and BAFBFP.

  40. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent
    Whatever gave you the impression that new interpretive signage was not โ€œacceptableโ€ already;-)


  41. Blogger Vincent, why label modern day obsequious populace actions as “One of the means capitalism uses is to create a divide …[ that ] use .. alt-facts and fake news [ … ] disseminated by 5th columnists as well as members of ones own tribe” but so graciously describe Nelson’s similar behaviour by saying “Nelson as a servant of his king [ … ] was very obedient as were all of the people of the then western world with very few exceptions.”

    If I didn’t know better I would think that you are a shill apologist for anything of the lily-white hue!

    How cometh your ‘intellectual’ retort that “The full and true story of the rise of Capitalism and the means used up to this day to perpetuate it needs to be properly told” but alas your views on the dismamtling and proper retelling of our true historical narrative gets lost in a facetious sounding remark…to wit: “whatever epitaph anyone wishes to place on it,which in turn will reflect the thinking of these time and in 200 years another epitaph will be placed on it.”

    David, you packed a lot in your remarks at 11:19 AM … to unpack wud take some time so let’s try one thread only.

    You said: “It all boils down to perspective and philosophy. The history influenced by Whites of the past is history not Black people history but history of the space we occupy.”

    History of course is ALWAYS of “the space we occupy”… in terms of what drives our interest and actions. Thus, it is us…you, me, Jeff, Peter or John and his bud Vincent who define the philosophy and perspective for our society from the history we consume.

    … so yes that white influence determined what was offered in educational institutions or that made popular appearance but frankly there is and was always a large volume of history researched, written, interpreted and produced by Blacks about Blacks by people like Jon Hendric Clarke to pluck but one name from the archives.

    Those of us who choose to keep our eyes closed to those realities diD so DELIBRATELY… there can be no other practical reason!

    I offer those comments to highlight that the advent of the net is not a bane to historians or the influence of white washing of history but rather an opportunity for more folks to embrace knowledge and become informed…or in fact to pay attention to loads of drivel of whose ‘tittles’ are longer and such!

    I well recall engaging briefly with a Education Minister Walker many years ago (via press) on this
    Issue of Black history because I had the proverbial epiphany of being exposed to people like Clarke and separately of reading about the evolution of Sierra Leone (something I had NEVER being taught about as a youth at school).

    Frankly, David I was dumbfounded then of the amount of eye popping Black literature and stories so vastly different from what the Hutts (according to Gazer) and my teachers spewed …. and this was some 30 freaking years ago when I had that lighting bolt hit.

    … and of course I had come to the party LATE…like the Elombes and the many others way before, and the Gill Nobels and so on before them.

    Never too late to attend a great party…so may the net bring many more Bajans to this one.


  42. BAFBFP…….is around mainly on fb or brasstacks.


  43. Put Nelson Statue on the corner of Nelson street as a reminder of how the colonial masters prostitute the small island nations to get their share of wealth


  44. PLT

    Place it then.


  45. DPD

    Unless you have looked a the known history for the past 4000 years as well as conjectured on the archeological findings over milenia you will not understand that this is more than slavery and colour issues.

  46. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    How quickly do you think the nastiness that passes for racism and modern day slavery on the island can be cleaned up before I can draft a formal complaint..

    Am at my most deadliest when am not cussing anyone.

  47. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Speaking about prostituting…..Angela Yardfowl…ah heard you and Carson Yardfowl got troubles, it seems that all the selling out to minorities and pimping for them…comes with handcuffs…lol

    Ah waiting for further details, hope ah dont see you and Carson Yardfowl perp walking to Dodds…hahaha

  48. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Am well capable of showing the ball that shot nelson….Vincent.


  49. Yet there is no Wilberforce Square in Barbados, no Wilberforce Streetโ€ฆ is there even a Wilberforce Lane, Wilberforce Alley or Wilberforce Cart Rd?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You noticed that too!!

    I did as well.

    The closest naming I can come to anyone involved in the emancipation of slaves or the abolition of slavery is Buxton.

    There was a Buxton School in Green Hill, The Piano Man is now there.

    In Guadeloupe there is a road named after Schoelcher in Point a Pitre, Wilberforce’s equivalent for France but in 1848.

    My gut is you will find Wilberforce’s name attached to places in other parts of the former British Empire.

    Take Jamaica for example, one of the early free villages was called Wilberforce and another Buxton.

    http://www.georgianjamaica.org/blog/a-list-of-free-villages-established-in-jamaica-after-emancipation

    My conclusion is emancipation and the abolition of the Slave Trade was no big deal in Barbados because of the Quaker links.

    The granting of freedom was routine already and the path clearly signposted.

    If you really think about it, August 1st was never a big deal here either, … even though it also coincided with Nelson saving Africa from French invasion.


  50. Here is a less altruistic viewpoint, the slave population had doubled since the census in the 1680’s.

    Planters ensured everybody had a full belly and was happy and had appropriate health care on their plantations to ensure the survival of children and curb infant mortality.

    You see that in the allocation of lands for production 1/3 for food, 1/3 for sugar and 1/3 fallow for the next year.

    Two thirds of the land on a plantation produced no revenue but was directed towards its survival and those who depended upon it.

    Planters did not have to worry about stopping the slave trade.

    The returns from 1817 show that less than 7% of the slave population was from Africa … so, no big deal.

    At emancipation, there was probably twice the number of labourers that was needed to maintain the survival of the plantation.

    Land was made available for freed slaves to grow their own food and the job of education and christianising started.

    Hear Wilberforce:

    โ€˜It would be wrong to emancipate (the slaves). To grant freedom to them immediately would be to insure not only their mastersโ€™ ruin, but their own. They must (first) be trained and educated for freedomโ€™.

    So he is now a naive racist!!

    Was he a white supremacist too?

    Most churches and schools post 1824 are on donated lands and built with resources from plantations.

    The Anglican Church had more of an impact on the slaves and ex slaves than you can even begin to imagine, some for the good some for the not so good.

    Go and look at the Churches and registers if you want to find out more about Black History in Barbados.

    It doesn’t matter whether you are an atheist or not, no skin of anybody’s back.

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