Is a ‘Partyless’ Political System the Solution?

The attached document was shared with BU and makes for provocative reading – Barbados Underground

The Houses of Parliament, seen across Westminster Bridge in England – Wikipedia

Division is killing us. I am in favour of a *CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, in a sovereign state where the ultimate power rests in its citizens, equally entitled under adult suffrage to vote to elect representatives to wield that power under the constitution, a government with no parties, just representatives from each constituency unified to act in the best interest of the people. In reality the politicians are friends united behind the scenes, so why not be friends united in public acting on behalf of the people? It’s time  for us, an Independent, sensible and well educated nation looking perhaps to create a Republic, to get rid of the Westminister model and get our own, the Barbados model.

MPs should vote for a mandated balanced budget if not a surplus, and balanced trade perhaps by incentivising  exporters.

Why is Parliament set up with two groups on opposing sides of the room? Even the physical layout of the room suggests confrontation. Government on one side and Opposition on the other. If an Independent or member  of a third party gets elected which side do they sit on? We are not a divided country like the former East and West Germany, or North and South Korea, or North and South Sudan, we are one country, why shouldn’t that be reflected in our politics? There is no North and South Barbados, with one party representing North and the other South, are you really interested in the improvement of this country? then let us have a UNITED GOVERNMENT.

Read full text of partyless system document

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  • Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    It might look good on paper but ya need representation for regional and international purposes also, it would be a good thing to disband political parties permanently, the DBLP have run their course, 50 years, and have become extremely toxic and destructive to the majority people and island.

    A minority government, coalition government forces more transparency, the electorate is ready for such governance, they can force such governance by not giving the one or two political parties all their votes, by splitting their votes evenly among the 5 or 6 political parties, the electorate would successfully disband DBLP and force a newly formed and elected minority government to pay attention to what the people and island need, it will drastically reduce the yardfowl brigade, the minority business parasites to staying in their place and bring a sense of fairness and balance to governance, it would reduce government arrogance. ….the ministers would be operating at the minority level and not from a majority strength of uppity-ness.

    A minority coalition government would be forced to attend to the needs of the people instead their own and the needs of who can bribe them. the ministers would have to work, finally.

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/03/20/dlp-disquiet/

    Dumbville you are also smoking something….all of you are arrogant, take the people who voted you in for and whose votes you now need for fools and the majority population want ALL OF YOU gone, both you snd Fruendel have shown majority black bajans enough disdain…you and Fruendel cannot take back those hurtful, hateful words you uttered to CLICO victims after your friend Leroy Parris victimized them and stole their money, or which the ones still alive will never forget, the people will not forget your arrogance on the imported chicken issue, there is no time left to fix the destruction all of you joined with the local minority crooks and visited on the people, the wasted tax dollars, the missing tax dollars all of these unexplained Maloney/Bjerkjam and other projects that never seem to benefit the people, the million dollar Bizzy IONICS scam, the decades of concessions to Sandals that does not benefit people or the island, the millions to Cow from NIS pension fund, black people’s money that none pf you as ministers think you have a right or that it is your job to explain to the people, how many millions of the people’s money you idiots gave Cow and what are the returns to the people, the missing millions from NHC which neitjer Michael Lashley, Dennis Kellman nor Chris Sinckler feel they owe the people, the taxpayers any explanation. ….why would anyoif you think the electorate would be stupid enough to want anyoif you miss managing their futures again….that is insulting….you are too desperate to become prime minister.

    And Mara Thompsons insulting, uneducated and disrespectful words to the people of St. John, women of Barbados and to the budding, talented, skillful and gifted children of Barbados opened everyone’s eyes further, no country can survive, uneducated, arrogant, clueless and obviously incompetent government ministers for 9 years who have the nerve to believe they can be tolerated for another 5 years.

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  • Interesting document, we need more ‘different’ thinking deposited in the public space to jumpstart a new thinking.

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  • Violet Beckles CUP Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI

    David March 21, 2017 at 6:53 AM #

    Interesting document, we need more ‘different’ thinking deposited in the public space to jumpstart a new thinking.@@@@

    New thinking is already out there and here, Lock up the crooks and removed them , To many in the paid NEWS are blocking , Crooks get charged and if found guilty are removed or go to jail and repay what was stolen peoples money,
    No Rule of Law and no balls is the main problem , Lock up the government , replace all the Judges , call in the CCJ to clean up all cases,A special Master needed, Replace the DPP and COP.

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  • Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    The constitution is a deterrent to invoking a partyless state…..but….. THE PEOPLE have the POWER to FORCE a minority coalition government, that could open the door eventually for partyless governance…as I said, the electorate just needs the guidance to effect that change.

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  • David,
    There is no need for a ‘party’ of government. Under our system all that is needed is a majority of MPs to get a programme through parliament. However, that is easier said than done.
    About new ideas: our culture is that if someone dares to say anything new s/he is viciously attacked by predators. They become the enemy.
    We must be more tolerant of others views if we r to have an open and free market of ideas. Only the intellectually insecure dislike new ideas.

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  • Violet Beckles CUP Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI

    Hal Austin March 21, 2017 at 7:10 AM #About new ideas: our culture is that if someone dares to say anything new s/he is viciously attacked by predators. They become the enemy@

    Are you talking about Me Hall? lololol

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  • Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Inept, arrogant, majority governments loaded down with yardfowls are the problem, not the solution.

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  • @Hal

    We need more Barbadians to join the debate. We need to encourage different views. We need to debate the issues in a constructive way with the national interest in mind.

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  • David,
    Like most things, BU is the best we have on offer in Barbados. But, like most things, we have to navigate the bullies. One young man in the UK asked me some time ago about entering politics in Barbados. I advised him that unless he could support himself the locals would eat him alive.
    They would see his presence as a threat. These are the young people we must encourage. I also got it in my family.
    I have been trying to get a cousin of mine to go to Wooding School, giving her the opportunity to practice in two jurisdictions, she thinks I am having a laugh. She has got the measure of Bajans.

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  • @ Hal
    We must be more tolerant of others views if we r to have an open and free market of ideas.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Profound!!!
    …does that also apply to ‘others’ like Pachamama and stinking Bushie?

    “BU is the best we have on offer in Barbados. But, like most things, we have to navigate the bullies.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    One man’s bully is another man’s hero and protector. You can’t have it both ways.
    We actually have to encourage the bullies. Bullies are assets, and in fact are the best catalysts for producing REAL people who have the balls necessary for the tough jobs of this world.

    Without bullies, we end up with a world of spoilt, effeminate, sissies.
    It is HARDSHIP, pain, suffering and pressure that constitutes the cauldron needed for CHARACTER development….. (and Bushie keeps telling wunna that THIS is what life is all about, and why our world was designed as it was….and is)

    Long and short of it, is that Life on Earth was NEVER designed to be a Utopia, but a pressure CAULDRON that is ideal for the development of diamonds of righteous human character….
    Success is therefore related, not to the achievement of ‘heavenly bliss’, but to OVERCOMING, enduring, and being strengthened and educated by the challenges …and by the (vitally needed) bullying….

    Just saying….

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  • Bernard Codrington

    Exactly why we should stay the course while designing sensible new strategies. Hard work; not hair brained ,knee jerk suggestions.

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  • Bush Tea,

    Be honest, have you ever been a bully at any time during your life? By the way, I am very tolerant, even of those who test me to the hilt.
    Try working in an organisation in Britain with hundreds of people and you are the only black one there. Any UK/Bajan will tell you of what the English believe is funny and you have to keep smiling.

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  • In my opinion.Bullies are a.ssholes. i dare to share a different point of view of bullies. Those people who dared to step up and change socites history have not earmarked them as bullies but warriors of Truth and justice
    Martin luther king. Nelson Mandella. These people did not set aside integrity to become bullies but set out on a path of vigilance and purpose for that which is right
    Bullies are a.sss holes and for that bullies would always be remembered

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  • Human nature will subvert any system to suit its purpose…..that is the elephant in the room that has crushed all the wonderfull theories from demos-crates down to communism.

    We seek better governance,new systems will not give it unless the thinking matrix of the citizen of the given community is changed.

    The change can only come from a leadership with a vision which will imbue the majority of the populi to educate themselves/re-tool in order to achieve the end result of the vision.

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  • @Bushie

    Let us avoid words with negative connotations that will only serve to detract. You point is understood.

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  • @Vincent

    All you are saying is what is known -life is dynamic and change is constant. It is a never ending process to search for solutions, note there is no perfect system or solution.

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  • David

    I agree…..but saw no way forward dealing with vision and buy in.

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  • LOL @ David
    …always the peace-maker 🙂
    Angela is right that bullies are ‘a.ssholes’.
    She would know…. it takes one to know one… 🙂

    @ Hal
    Bushie was ALWAYS the fellow who was called on to deal with Bullies…. from school days it was a particular hobby of the bushman… LOL … love it!!
    Just saying that they serve a PURPOSE …. just as pain and suffering does in the REAL scheme of things.

    …and Boss, if you think that working with Whites in the UK is harrowing, you should work with the ones in Barbados….
    You need to remember which ones are the descendants of the creators of the dreaded Slave Code….

    @ Vincent
    You are right on about ‘human nature …. meaning the natural instincts of brass bowls.

    Carry that thinking to its logical conclusion and you will find that the ONLY real solution lies in CHANGING the very nature of BB’s.
    Do you know of any way to convert brass into diamonds?

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  • Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Hal….I encountered bullies in NYCs corporate world, I did not smile and accept, I made sure to be meaner, nastier, more racist, I lived for that….and ya know what, we came to an understanding, they respected and stayed well clear of me, one even dropped from a heart attack….

    …..ya do not accept attacks on your person, skin color, hair texture or ancestry, not from whites, indians etc and definitely not from each other, the british have excelled in that nastiness, just as they have excelled in telling lies for centuries, so have Americans, but there are newer generations of blacks who will not tolerate any of that….as they should…ya must have self respect and do not allow other cultures to demean ad degrade you as a human being…it is damaging to the psyche.

    We are now educated enough to know this.

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  • Bullies serve no real purpose in life other than to aggravate and position themselves as real life rabble rousers who cannot and should not be controlled ,habitual law breakers having no form or rationalisationto rectify. There one called to be famous is piling on for or against those attributes that are not in alignment with their irrational behaviour. Hence. we have Donald Trump an unrepentant bully who sees himself as the one and only changemaker of america sitting at the top of americas politics
    A reallife exhibit of an a.sshole

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  • On BU many of us are constantly railing about constructively critiquing our governance system yet some of us prefer to wrangle about bullies in a context that is hardly relevant. No wonder we find ourselves at the bottom of the pile. A people get the government it deserves.

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  • Bushie

    Do you know of any way to convert brass into diamonds?
    …………………………………………………………………..

    Sad to say that the most recent experiment of 2100 years ago is unravelling but the theory worked…….so find yourself another martyr or even martyr yourself for the greater good,trouble is that we cannot use the same story as Saul/Paul in this new and savvy world…..come up with the story and I will assist in the marketing of it.

    In my above post I told you that we needed a vision/raison d etre for the country to galvanise around and move forward.
    Remember WW2,John Saint and big grain rice…..that thinking lasted well into the sixties and then we had EWB with manufacturing untill the early 80s.

    We need another one you can choose from the above scenarios.

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  • There are bullies who called themselves representatives or leaders of govt. We have the authoritarians. The dictators who still ran rampant across the global field who stands in defiance of people civil rights and corruption Most of these leaders were formed and define under a systemb of partyless goverance.
    The idea that partyless governance is suited better to be an alternative is as stupid as having no government at all
    The two party system has worked best in that it gives the people more leverage and freedom in the decision process as whom to hire or fire

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  • Bush tea is a modern day bully he speaks nasty of anyone who disagree with his views many of which are medieval and long past their expiration date. Like his usual rant and raves against women who powerful and children who should be bushwacked by their parents and on the issue if domestic violence which he condones spiced up with tge belief that woman talk to dam much and usual get the beating they deserve
    So to hear bush tea define bullies as havjng great assests for society is not surprising.

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  • The premise of the article begings with a very toxic and incorrect understanding of Hegel. Its thrust is oblivious to human nature itself and the need to freely decide. I guess, a little learning can be a dangerous thing but to each their own.

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  • @George

    Your better understanding of Hegel was not noted.

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  • Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass.

    The problem remains the same: the people most qualified to lead this country are never going to campaign in the gutters of modern Bajan politics for a vote.

    The only workable solution is the de-politicisation of the Senate to create real oversight of those who do.

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  • George,

    Don’t forget that Hegel, and following him, Marx, demonstrated racist tendencies. Be careful.

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  • There is merit in this comment. The political class appears to be drawing from the bottom for the most part.

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  • The fatal flaw in this “unified system” is the belief that the shortcomings of the current system is wholly the fault of the “politician”. The action/inaction of the “small” political animals will continue to undermine any system. Good luck.

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  • @enuff

    The politicians are key actors.

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  • This is a matter that should have never arisen in Barbados.

    While we are enveloped in nonsense, ‘democracy’ elsewhere is rapidly evolving.

    Recently, India has bestowed human rights on the Ganges River.

    New Zealand/Australia is following likewise.

    In Barbados, we continue to engage a Brassbowl issue which has nothing to do with anything.

    Not that Pachamama will temper Her divine judgement. All has to be weighed on the scale.

    But at least, they are trying.

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  • @David at 10:38 AM You state well with the comment “Let us avoid words with negative connotations that will only serve to detract. You[r] point is understood.”

    Of course Bushie used that word ‘bully’ specifically to generate the angst… but frankly had he used a more acceptable phrasing like : We actually have to encourage [Type-A personalities]. [Dominants] are assets; he would yet have been cut to threads likely.

    And therein lies the problem in every political environment: regardless of how carefully words are actually chosen folks remain rigidly at polar opposites and seek no compromise nor do they aim to understand what is being suggested.

    Of the man idea above I can only smile. The concept is actually positive in theory but lacks realistic force as a practical way of governance.

    Politics will always be about the force of a group…and naturally every group must have leaders from which one leader will achieve some type of supremacy.

    If the group coalesces around a set of principles before the individuals are elected or after the election there still will be formations of elected officials ( an eventual party, maybe) in order to get programs enacted.

    Deja vu all over again!

    As always the political power rests with the voters. If the elected folks are not working together for the success of the country then vote them OUT and elect new faces with a mandate to seek harmony in their ‘congress’.

    I do like the idea of all members sitting together rather than oppo and gov’t separate, however.

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  • @Dee Word

    Curious to know what informed your thinking conclusion that -“Politics will always be about the force of a group”

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  • fortyacresandamule

    @David. There is no true democracy practice by the modern nation state that is a partyless system. Why? because such a sytem is inherently adversarial and competitive. Man, being a political and tribalist animal by nature, doesn’t help the situation any better. I am believer in Hobbes view on human nature.

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  • David, re “Politics will always be about the force of a group”

    What else is politics a ‘force of’ if NOT group dynamics?

    I should insert a Webster def of politics right about now but allow me to forgo that and any Dr. Brathwaite type scholarly quotation and go base level.

    Politics deals with the governance of people. Persons with political power are either elected by a group of people or elevated by force of power to political office based on the efforts of groups of people.

    Ipso…it is fundamentally premised and derives its relevance (always) from ‘groups’ of people.

    A political force of one is a ‘nonsense’ of course; an illogical construct if you will. A political force of one only becomes relevant after support from groups of people.

    Thus this statement (recap below) sounds pretty as a red a Ju-c is sweet but basically it is exceedingly impractical and injurious to the ‘body’ politic like that red Ju-C for older, wiser folks who now mishandle their body glucose …(loll).

    “…the ultimate power rests in its citizens, equally entitled under adult suffrage to vote to elect representatives to wield that power under the constitution, a government with no parties, just representatives from each constituency unified to act in the best interest of the people.”

    The election is by citizens (groups of them). Enacting legislation (fingerprinting of citizens on exit/entrance, for example) requires agreement and mandates from ‘groups’ of those elected officials (within or outside a party apparatus).

    So what else in simple terms and in its basic form is politics if NOT a complex and wonderful model of group dynamics?

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  • Barbados has had a duopoly of incompetent political parties for the last 5o something years and both of them are replete with idiots of the Superlative Calibre. They now see themselves and “The Only Options for Bajan Voters” and of course the docile population love to alternate between the sheep and the billy goats but it is time for a more committed choice on our ballot other that B.L.P (BUFFONS LURKING IN PARLIAMENT of D.L.P the DEMONIC LYING PARTY

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  • @PUDRYR

    The gist of the argument being discussed is how does one tweak the system of government to achieve greater relevance. To elect a virgin political party in the existing setup will do what again? For some all that we see is an Orwellian adventure. The imperfection of humankind?

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  • @fortyacresandamule

    The Hobbes does not recommend mankind considering our high position in the hierarchy of intelligence.

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  • Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass.

    Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right – INRI March 21, 2017 at 9:43 PM #
    Barbados has had a duopoly of incompetent political parties for the last 5o something years and both of them are replete with idiots of the Superlative Calibre. They now see themselves and “The Only Options for Bajan Voters” and of course the docile population love to alternate between the sheep and the billy goats but it is time for a more committed choice on our ballot other that B.L.P (BUFFONS LURKING IN PARLIAMENT of D.L.P the DEMONIC LYING PARTY

    You are only partly correct.

    It would be difficult for anyone to fill a 30-seat parliament without including a few morons, liars and thieves; parliament is, after all, a reflection of our society.

    But like in every aspect of real life (school, church, business, etc.), our post-independence adventure has succeeded because we had three strong, competent leaders to keep them in check at the crack of a whip: Dippa, Tom and OSA.

    In the absence of such a leader (and we have certainly had no leader for the past 8 years) the consequences are obvious.

    Again, the only answer going forward to mitigate against this happening again is a de-politicised senate. These fukkers need to understand that there are consequences to incompetence, inaction and corruption. Justice can only be dispensed from above.

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  • Frustrated Businessman aka 'Nation of Laws' my ass.

    Walcott is worth a listen

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  • @ The Honourable Blogmaster

    I, more than most people, UNDERSTAND the “jist of the argument”

    I deal in practicuums.

    Here the writer is presenting a novel concept IN A DUOPOLY and expecting that a society that IS LOCKED INTO A DUOPOLY, with an endemic, genetic stasis masquerading as our “political maturity” expecting us brassbowls to even begin to consider, far less adopt, what he is proposing.

    Mine, as you would have come to understand, is a very simple strategy and achievable program.

    We, bajans can start with the Third Party, disrupt the status quo, and thereafter build and insert all of the other fancy stuff being proposed here ALL of which will require a change in our constitution.

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  • @PUDRYR

    We can only support a third party if the candidates pass the smell test. How do we know they do and will the system let them deliver -only time will tell.

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  • Piece

    It would be difficult for anyone to fill a 30-seat parliament without including a few morons, liars and thieves; parliament is, after all, a reflection of our society.

    But like in every aspect of real life (school, church, business, etc.), our post-independence adventure has succeeded because we had three strong, competent leaders to keep them in check at the crack of a whip: Dippa, Tom and OSA.

    In the absence of such a leader (and we have certainly had no leader for the past 8 years) the consequences are obvious.
    …………………………………………………………………

    To elect a virgin political party in the existing setup will do what again? For some all that we see is an Orwellian adventure. The imperfection of humankind?
    ………………………………………………………………..

    We all seek change but not like the UK with brexit or the USA with Trump…..we have to learn lessons from them and not repeat the same mistake.

    We have to come up with ways and means to hold the feet of the political class to the fire and ensure they deliver what they were elected to do without shenanigans or backhanders.

    This can be achieved by vigilance and civil disobedience…..we need to bring our fellow country people up to scratch on both of these areas.

    Our existing system needs to be taken over by us and made to work.

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  • @ The Honourable Blogmaster

    Many here would say that your “smellers” of recent times seemed to be clogged since they seem to be bent on replacing the known dealers in faeces the Demonic Lying Party with the party that has been lingering in the offing for twenty nuff years

    That of Mugabe Mottley

    @ The NGO Crew.

    If there is one thing that de ole man cannot be faulted for is information.

    That is my currency – the acquisition of Information by its various means so that when one writes NOT A MAN OR WOMAN CAN DECRY THAT TRUTH.

    The diagram below is an excerpt of a report that was effected of the NGO community in Barbados.

    There are over 1200 Non Governmental, Civil Society, Community Based Organizations in Barbados. (NGOs/CSOs/CBOs)

    Unlike “over and away’ where they meet and do something the fact is that this sector in our community are play play actors who meet for tea and crumpet (of the type in between the members legs)

    of those 1200 only 120 are active.

    Of those 120 only 75 have a meeting once per month

    And of those 75 very few are financially sound

    AND only 1 has the financial acumen (though not the $$) to manage and NGO activity and that is Pinelands Creative Workshop

    Again gentlemen if wunna coming with ideas and thing I want wunna to come to de ole man wid practicuums and not all the lotta long talk that we bajans are known for read verbal masturbation

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  • @ The Honourable Blogmaster

    The blog is swallowing my submissions.

    I made a submission earlier regarding the issue of Barbados’ defunct NGO community and provided an excerpt of a report (that fell off a truck) to substantiate that argument that NGO and civic mindedness is a colossal waste of time and A Bridge Too Far

    Suffice it to say that of the 1200+ NGOs, CSOs and CBOs very few are in operation and only 1 has the gravitas to attract and the capacity to manage NGO activities

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  • Here is a partially hidden version of that list of the NGO community

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  • @ Vincent

    You were going on the right track when you said

    “…We have to come up with ways and means to hold the feet of the political class to the fire and ensure they deliver what they were elected to do without shenanigans or backhanders…”

    Then you took your eyes off the road and looked at that fetching lady’s whatchamacallit and went on to say…

    “…This can be achieved by vigilance and civil disobedience…..we need to bring our fellow country people up to scratch on both of these areas…”

    The last 25 years of our independence has shown us that that “vigilance” idea of yours DOES NOT WORK! (I hope that you are not suggesting VIGILANTE actions instead of VIGILANCE cause we dun know you to be a man with some nuanced words)

    Now let me give you a few examples where that vigilance ting did not work

    You have a little time?

    Cause this ent going take long

    You remember the first ministry dem give your peeples Mugabe? With all the vigilance of the Auditor General dem still had dat Syrup Scam at the school meals place.

    No wonder the old people in Bush Hall does say “doan mind she bite out little Nellie clitoris, she too sweet doah…”

    Vincent, she blish to be sweet, wid dat million dollar syrup contract she award tuh she peeples dem, I surprise dat she ent got diabetes

    So let us not expand pun de prison ting and de millions of $$ awarded to VECO

    Mugabe really exposing how useful your “VIGILANCE” going be.

    Man your ideas like the US Wildlife reserve buying toilet paper and putting it in trees for bears and wildlife to wipe their respective pooches.

    Den dis ting bout “Civil Disobedience” what, steupseeeeee!!

    Look how dem castigating all uh de dissenters fuh Marching in Disgust WID DE SAME MUGABE!!!

    There is some sort of irony about that Mugabe “Marching in Disgust”

    heheheheheheheh

    Vincent you and I dun know dat de Pillsbury gal need to do some exercise to get down she weight and dat de stomach reduction ting dat Decimal Bonds Stinkliar did not appeal to her so she come up with that idea of

    “Marching & Slim Down”

    The real thing was “Are you FED UP with being big and ungainly, Come and Step Up with Mugabe”

    “We are going to walk of a few pounds, shillings and pence while pretending to make a difference by this “Civil Disobedience” that i have thought up and my employees like Vincent are promoting to appease wunna ingrunt bajans.

    Yes sireee Vincent Vigilance and Civil Disobendience my badword….

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  • Piece

    Chuckle……yuh too hard ears……ah hope yuh outlive muh an get yuh wish an see BIM en up Trump like.

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  • @ Piece
    That bit about the NGOs is nonsense. There are numerous credit unions, sports organisations church groups , etc that fulfil their roles adequately.
    That number of 1200 may indeed be registered, but is a non-point, as we all know that every new idea from ‘over and away’ is quickly taken up here. Many of them were non-starters to begin with.

    There in no real need for more than 200 such bodies. If 60 work well that is an admirable rate for brass bowl land.

    Bushie is personally aware of quite a number of Non Government groups that not only function, but do so pretty well with annual audited accounts etc.

    Most of those NGOs that impact directly on people’s money (like the credit unions) are particularly professional in their affairs…… and are policed even more vigorously than the Banks and Insurance companies….(check their annual reports)

    Wheel and come again….

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  • @ PUDRYR

    I agree with your call for the establishment of a new, viable political party. However, I am not impressed with Solutions Barbados, Barbados Integrity Movement, United Progressive Party and Citizen Action Partnership, since none of these parties have articulated themselves as viable alternatives, and with the 2018 elections only 11 months away, many of their CANDIDATES REMAIN UNKNOWN.

    On a Sunday Brass Tacks program a few weeks ago, DLP’s George Pilgrim made certain comments to imply former BLP members broke ranks with that party to form new political parties.
    It should be of “SIGNIFICANT CONCERN” to Pilgrim and the DLP that, rather than join the DLP, the former BEES formed or joined other political parties, which is a CLEAR INDICATION of CONTEMPT for the traditional two-party framework of the BLP and DLP. Additionally, Pilgrim should be “man enough” to inform Barbadians if these new parties have impacted on the membership base of the DLP.

    It is true that both the UPP and CAP comprise DISGRUNTLED BLP members, some of whom have been REPEATEDLY DISMISSED by VOTERS. Interestingly, the hierarchy of these new parties seems to have borrowed strategy from Trump’s campaign re “putting Barbados first.”
    However, if we look beyond the POLITICAL RHETORIC and REFUSAL to ARTICULATE their social and economic policies to take Barbados into the future, other than REPEATING Barbadians are “fed up of the two main political parties,” individuals such as Wendell Callender, David Gill and Mark Adamson come across as disgruntled “politicians” whose main objective is to “cut votes” for the BLP.

    David Gill, for example, was the BLP’s representative for the St. Michael South Central constituency. Gill “lost his seat” (1,934 votes; 47.85%) in the 2003 elections to DLP’s Richard Sealy (2,108 votes; 52.15%), by 174 votes.
    Sealy (2,308; 52.29%) once again defeated Gill (1,943; 47.51%) by 365 votes in the 2008 elections, leading to a “hat trick” in the 2013 elections (Sealy = 2,231 votes to Gill’s 1,967), in which the incumbent won by 264 votes.

    After being rejected on THREE (3) occasions by St. Michael South Central constituents, especially when one considers there was a swing against the DLP in the 2013 general elections, David Gill was still of the opinion he had an “absolute right to run” for the BLP in the 2018 general elections.

    Unfortunately for Gill, he was also rejected by the BLP membership, when he lost the St Michael South Central nomination to economist Marsha Caddle in October 2016. The “three time political reject” has now joined another reject, Callender, in the CAP.

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  • Have I been barred from posting to BU?

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  • I have been trying to post a contribution to this topic, but it seems not to have been missing. However, when I try to re-post, I’m receiving a message indicating the contribution has already been sent.

    Is BU experiencing technical problems?

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  • @Artax

    Comment was retrieved from the spam bucket.

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  • @ Artaxerxes

    Hmmmmmmm!!

    The site seems to be undergoing some external interference and some internal adjustments which are independent of each other to a certain extent.

    It may be that it is now being monitored a la People’s Republic of China as a bilateral service to the GoB …

    @ Bush Tea

    Forgive the ole man but I go by “the letter of the law” heheheheheheh

    You said NGO and a Non Governmental Organization has a strict definition where i come from i.e. it has to be registered as a 501(c) 3 to obtain that NGO status.

    If you are not registered you ARE NOT AN NGO and credit unions by such definition and churches ARE NOT NGOs and would not be given that designation by an international institution that funds NGOs.

    That was therefore based on “if you ent got a ticket you ent got a chance” but I do understand your position regarding “community based activitism” like the Meals on Wheels programs of a few churches etc., and other community oriented action.

    @ Artaxerxes

    When i was reading your comment “…David Gill was still of the opinion he had an “absolute right to run” for the BLP in the 2018 general elections…” I swore that i saw “Absolut right to GIN” and therein you may infer why he was not permitted to return to the folds of the BLP.

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  • Bajans are known “mouters”…

    We talk alot…almost as much as Trump Twitters.

    so lest Barbadians all forget the sins of Mugabe, this anointed “Prime Minister of Privilege”, IN WAITING, here is a special edition to Bring Back Remembrance of these purported “INFELICITIES”

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  • @ Vincent (and the other BLP lovers of the clit lover or is that BLP clit lovers, de ole man is confused – you know it is time to go home, as shall we all, when you are reprimanded for saying things like that)

    Anyways Vincent, since de ole man is an EOE nooooo not Equal Opportunity Employer noooo Equal Opportunity Exposer here is one for both the BLP and the DLP

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  • @ PUDRYR
    Good try to dismiss the involvement of non-governmental groups in the political future of Barbados, …it may even have worked in a good debate …. but not on BU where there is a whacker in the mix…
    As you well know, the original argument did not require “NGO’s” – meaning the specific definition thereof, but referred to non governmental groups of citizens organised for specific purposes, and which groups meet clear and specific standards of organisation and governance themselves.

    Boss, there can be no POSSIBLE better building blocks for a meaningful democracy.

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  • A fellow on the block said that at long last , the Freundal Stuart government has done something about vote buying at elections.

    THEY HAVE BANNED THE IMPORT OF CORN BEEF!!!!!!!!!

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  • Hal,
    You should know that as long as you hav4e the legal certificate (and the LLB) you can practice in any Caribbean jurisdiction.

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  • Alvin,
    It is more confusing than that. You need to go to Wooding or Mona for the legal certificate. In the UK you do not need an LLB. You can do a conversion, which most people end to do.
    We also have UK lawyers coming down and taking cases. In any case, most people in the UK with law degrees do not practice law.

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  • Piece

    None so blind as those who refuse to see……..after the elections you will not see me parading any party colours as I belong to none whereas I can see you know on election night in colours prancing up.

    You are a disgruntled member of the political class who has been hurt and looking for holes,which is why in your world everyone must belong to a party……sorry to disillusion you but some of us can think for ourselves and see what is best for our country which at this time is to head for the IMF and the Bees are the only ones presently who understand that.

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  • Look Vincent, let me state this clearly so you do not get tied up.

    I am first a citizen in the Army of My God who ‘does not suffer my foot to be moved since He DOES NOT SLEEP” (like Fumble nor your Mugabe)

    I “sojourn” here for this finite season, at the discretion of such GOD and, during this sojourn, I have learnt much about the vacillating nature of men.

    I have seen kindness, been a recipient of kindness, and seen evil, been a recipient of evil and have also rendered “evil” to others (during less informed times).

    I am not past such “renditions” of unkindness and may never be during this incarnation…so this pilgrimage must be “an absolving of my sins”.

    I have seen both of these governments, from up close and, to be frank with you, they are both the same.

    One or two have a modicum of common sense but the rest of them are buhkvunts of the 9th Circle of Hell.

    Call it Waste Foops or Scions of the Nameless One whatever, the thing is that they are no different.

    Have you even had the singular displeasure of sitting down and talking with them up close and personal? Not one original idea IN THEIR HEADS worth what paddy shot at.

    That is what your Mugabe is – she is devoid of ideas, a consummate user read thief, in addition to being a despot, doubly dangerous given that she is interested in self alone.

    Fumbles, on the other hand, is a chvunt who, poor soul, “had greatness thrust upon him” and he jes dont know what to do.

    The thing is that they both fear “empowering the people” because they see that such will lead to their own nemesis so brilliance and genius are seen as a threat and such is culled..

    Or sometimes they try to pay $250K to get their names put on a patent as its author. Small doggerts men, or women, the pretend men type, the ones who so hate the form they incarnated in that they seek to destroy the very clitorii? they were born with.

    You feeling me Vincent? I know that i does get visceral at times but I want you to comprehend that I am not a bitter man, I just pity them and they know that.

    Having said that Vincent you first must acknowledge that these “so called leaders” stand in the breach, truly blind to what the potentialities and possibilities are.

    They are both the enemy to the nation and what should be clear to you by now is the reason that they must be destroyed.

    Mugabe is a gnat in the grand scheme of things but it is what Mugabe represents that is the cancer that has to be eradicated.

    The real ideas and “the movers and the shakers” are in the communities/the trenches but in this environment of thieves, rapists and robbers of Intellectual Property, there is no chance for them to breathe, so this festering sore HAS TO BE DESTROYED from within.

    Observe how when the ole man writes that it is now the gospel according to St. John
    You see how the fellers coming here and NOT ONE OF THEM says a bad word about the “Stoopid Cartoons”

    Furthermore, in accordance with my directives DEM now using Whatsapp and all the rest of the suggestions, for their E Facts Programme, A LITTLE TOO EFFING LATE.

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  • Here is another E-Fvckts or alternate fact for George Pigrim and his people to send out to the two mobile telephone databases of all cellphone users in Barbados

    Why they are almost like Mugabe.

    The DLP are sending out messages on people’s cell phones and Mugabe is still listening in on people’s cell phones lololol.

    “Jack Sprat could eat no fat and his wife could eat no lean as so between the two of them they kept listening into our private phone calls and peeking into our hard drives.”

    Just to reinforce my point about how dim and dumb they are “devoid of any original ideas”

    I hope the BIM people take the Stoopid Cartoons and distribute them to their peeples

    Anything that will bring the shenanigans of those fellers’ scams to the fore is going to be useful to wake up the ingrunt Bajans

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  • Here is some advice to B.I.M as it relates to “Voter Management”.

    A lot of what I will be saying is just plain common sense but in Brassbowl Land or Barbados, common sense is not so common

    You need to know your boxes, like Artaxerxes who was able to quote the results from the G.E’s for the last 3-4 years for Danny Gill, you have to have that information at your fingertips.

    Getting that information, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, having it verified in what is just short of a year, is a significant task because it means that you either

    (a) have the information illegally from the Census Department as the DLP has (the BLP too) or

    (b) you have the augmented list from the Barbados Water Authority that was collected under the guise of improving the Water Meter Services.

    Dem (BWA and the DLP) must be tink dat we foolish when they come and ask (i) who the house belong to and (ii) how many people in the house (iii) and what is dem name and age and salary (iv) and who is the cat father.

    Anyways, you need to get this information so that you are on a level playing field with dem fellers who using government confidential information illegally

    What all of you need is atomic “House Occupant” information i.e. Name, DOB, Sex, Address, Eligibility information, Constituency where they are to Vote, etc. (other info as well but this part is critical)

    The more critical issue is how you are going to get it rapidly.

    Neither Mugabe, nor David Estwick, nor Pigrim, is going to give it to you but if all of wunna Third Parties agree to “collaborate on a specific structured mobilization” this will do a few things.

    (a).All uh wunna got to start pulling together from NOW and stop this territorial shite hound foolishness BECAUSE THAT WILL WEAKEN YOU ALL.

    The face that you show the public must be one of UNITY, when any one of you third party denizens win, you are breaking the DLP/BLP duopoly

    (b).The “collaboration” for this purpose will be finite. Let de ole man explain dat word finite.

    While you all work and collate a central database, with all of the names like the BLP and the DLP have, what you will NOT DO is to share your intimate voter details.

    So, if you in the course of your mini-censii, learn that Jane Doe has a medical condition you WILL NOT share it with the other political party since that is your “People Centric Profile”.

    (c).The mere fact that wunna bring wunna selves together for this finite engagement is quite a herculean task in itself BUT, and here is the greater benefit, IT WILL CAUSE BOTH THE DLP AND BLP TO S*IT their pants.

    What this is is a “finite collaboration to access voter intelligence” which none of you have now, at least not to the degree of the DLP and the BLP, AS A PARTY!!

    They have coterminous data YOU DO NOT and if you gents/ladies can bring off this collaboration, “they” do not know what else you are capable of doing as the Third Initiative.

    (d).Wunna need a RDMS (Relational Database Management Systems) AS WELL AS A RDM Ombudsman, a trusted party who has a vested interest in the Third Party being successful.

    After wunna meet and sign the particulars, approach Former Prime Minister The Honourable Owen Seymour Arthur to be your RBM Ombudsman.

    Offer him full access to conjoint information for his constituency for who ever he designates. He WILL more than likely be willing to take this position to “hold the PLATFORM”

    I only going tell wunna SOME of the strategy here causing de fellers watching but this is not a “can be done thing” as much as it is a “when do we start thing”

    PM Arthur understands the issues with (a) the inept incumbents but more importantly (b) he also understands that, WHEN they loose, that the Despot Mugabe Wins.

    This is NOT an OPTION

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  • Piece

    You waste your time quoting from your book of myths,trying to rationalise your actions.

    I am a pragmatist and think in terms of the here and now and the future effects of todays actions.

    Unlike you and your obeah man sidekick I do not go in for verbosity……this coming election is not one for us to handover the govt. to neophytes as we have too much at stake,the duoply put us in the doodoo so let them take us out,we have seen one change its head and shortly after the electoral defeat the other one will change its head.We need to step up our activism.

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  • Hal,
    Both of us know what we are talking about. The purpose of going to Mona or Trinidad is for the legal Certificate to practice at the BAR. ONE CAN ADVISE OR EVEN Teach Law with just the degree (LLB). In canada one can obtain the Legal certificate which allows you to function as a Legal Clerk, but here again one cannot practice at the BAR, without the Degree in Law. But even English trained and educated lawyers, as distinct from Solicitors; a system that exists even today, one would need to fulfill the requirements to be allowed to practice at the Bar. Talk to Jeff about this.

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  • yes- we should be working towards ‘partyless’ governance

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  • Political parties have outlived their usefulness and to regain trust in our system of governance, the perception of accountability and transparency must be improved. To do this we have to take back Parliament from the politicians by having officials elected to parliament from the bowels of the constituencies to look after the interest of the constituents and not the party. Parliamentarians can be assigned certain responsibilities as members of various oversight committees or ministries selected from among the members of parliament. These oversight bodies suitably staffed by persons of varying disciplines would decide policy and forward to the technocrats in the relevant administrative departments for execution. In this way, it is hoped that the chances of parliamentarians getting involved in corruption would be limited if not fully eliminated and the characters of parliamentarians would not be open to abuse based on rumor and speculation… The various independent public service selection bodies would be restored to select persons for employment and to head the various government agencies. Appointments to such critical and important posts like the Chief Justice will be free of bias and gossip. There will be no need for a primus interpares. The role of meeting dignitaries and shaking hands can be assigned to the Speaker of the parliament or rotated on an annual basis among the parliamentarians. In this system, the role of the governor general and term limits for parliamentarians would eventually come under scrutiny.

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  • Alvin,

    You are broadly right. Our division is between solicitors and barristers. We now have solicitor advocates, who can cross the divide between the two. One or two have even become judges.
    But you are right about giving legal advice. You do not have to be admitted to the bar to give legal advice.
    The legal certificate is only necessary if you want to be an advocate, but most legal advice is given in an office or in written documents.
    The other thing of course is allowing law firms to advertise and allowing various socialism: will writing, conveyancing, labour law, etc. But with lawyer/politicians ruling the country there is no chance of that.
    Before, you did not need a degree to become a barrister or solicitor in Barbados or the UK. Solicitors first taken on as legal clerks and took the Law Society’s exams; barristers took the Inns of Court exams.
    I know one Barbados-based barrister who has no degree and one top lawyer who took only part one of the solicitors’ exams. I have been trying to get the local press to run the story but the cowards would not.

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  • charles skeete March 26, 2017 at 11:40 PM #

    The elephant in the room is how to get this…… by having officials elected to parliament from the bowels of the constituencies to look after the interest of the constituents and not the party……..achieved?

    Where can we find 30 strong independents to unseat the ruling duoply?

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  • allow various specialisms. Socialism is on the brain.

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  • @ Vincent
    Where can we find 30 strong independents to unseat the ruling duoply?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Not by bumbling around like headless chickens crying “oh me…oh my…!!!” …talkins shiite about old studies and trolling the internet for stupid videos…

    It would require a coherent, practical, achievable plan of action – with identifiable resources, a clear strategic vision and a reference point to which most Bajans can refer – with positive feelings.

    But yet when Bushie and Baffy presented BU’s 10 point plan, you joined with the idiot from BFP asking foolish questions such as ‘Who is “we”?’… other retarded responses.

    BUP identifies a clear co-operative (community-centric) vision
    – It presented a practical implementation plan
    – Identified a critical resource needed (Caswell)
    – referenced a long history of a local success (Credit Unions)
    – and addressed the vital factor of integrity. transparency and accountability.

    But unless you can find some paper written by albino-centric from your first country (Hingland) ….you play that you can’t follow the reasoning ….

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  • Bushie

    Pacha has already given you a cut ass and included a lot of what I would have said especially your use of western thinking to decry your pet albino foolishness.

    I already told you how your 10 point plan was based on a quicksand foundation.

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  • POLITICAL PARTIES

    If you’re out of the two main party
    You don’t stand a chance
    It means that you’re in the minority
    You cannot join the dance

    Political parties in North America
    Are on similar platforms
    Down to little bustling Guyana
    Done in different norms

    In the USA they have the ruling Democrats
    In Canada we’ve the Conservative now in power
    They have the Republics and Lobbyist rats
    We have the Liberal Party waiting for their hour

    In Guyana the strong dominating PPP
    Left the once domineering PNC far way behind
    Backed by East Indians as the majority
    Whilst the blacks back the PNC now in a bind

    These parties superficially try to do good
    But the lobbyists really running all the show
    Always leaving the opposition holding wood
    As the other side stealthily curtailing the flow

    They’ll go to any length to oppose any benefit
    Meant mostly for betterment for poor folk
    Behaving as nincompoops unfit minus any wit
    And making good policies a bloody joke

    Senators filibuster to delay any good things
    Brought to the table to be implemented as laws
    Yet behaving like a bunch of ding-a-lings
    As their own peers combat with oral hee-haws

    Like what they did to the Democrat’s Medical Plan
    For 20 years opposing it for opposition’s sake
    Denying benefit to every baby, women and or man
    As Pharmacists and hospitals just like to take

    In Canada we don’t have lobbyists so far
    As the opposition behaving like kids in Parliament
    Opposing rights even about going to war
    Left the ruling party in an embarrassing predicament

    In Guyana the ruling People’s Progressive Party
    With an Opposition still can’t find a real quorum
    Floundering in drug trafficking and transparency
    Too dazed with the influence of 10 year Old XM

    However, I must confess
    In this life here the little man has no prayer
    And the west is in a mess
    The two party system has failed the taxpayer

    Sometimes I wonder if the answer is Democracy
    Maybe Karl Marx and Mao Tse Tung were right
    For no matter how hard we try we can never see
    At the end of our economic tunnel any real light

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