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President (elect) Trump (l) and President Obama (r)
President (elect) Trump (l) and President Obama (r)

Dr. Anthony Monteiro has recently delivery a magisterial analysis of our current circumstances, the way forward. He has concluded that we are in the 5th major crisis of capitalism; sees the generalized failure of the capitalist elites; believes there is no way to prevent a total, systemic, collapse; sees these global crisis as beyond fascism, beyond neo-fascism, in severity. However, he thinks that broad, grass root political formations may have a chance of charting a new way for what ‘future’ there could be. That analysis starts about 15 minutes in.

http://prn.fm/black-agenda-radio-01-16-17/

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324 responses to “Obama, Trump and the Great Unravelling”

  1. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    INSPIRED BY TRUMP?

    oh Canada!!!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/oleary-conservative-leadership-race-1.3940596

  2. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    AWTY 6: 22 PM.

    Obama brought hope to to most Americans and changes so profound in the attitudes of all classes in America. Changes that will be revealed as they and the rest of the world watch the first 100 days of the next administration unfurl. David will say: “Surely Obama was a great President”. But better late than never.

  3. David Avatar
    David

    @Bernard

    Because some of us are not clairvoyant we will live in HOPE!

  4. Exclaimer Avatar
    Exclaimer

    Trump Tweet by Tweet

    The Documentary

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04p2r98

  5. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/Qnqw3088GKU

    Everything is heating up all at the same time.

  6. ac Avatar
    ac

    Trump favourabilty ratings continues to plummet to 30 % as a wary 69% of the american public are sick and tired of his silly tweets

  7. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    All;
    Saying that Obama is a failure is like saying Brian Lara cannot bat simply because he should have scored more runs !

  8. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David January 18, 2017 at 4:14 PM—– REALLY that the “… President … has to be evaluated based on his performance in the context of current state of play and what was his mission at the start of the journey. Was he able in a material way to deliver on his message of hope and change? NO!”

    That assertion cannot be maintained from an informed perch. And surely not the addendum of ‘changing’ Republicans.

    Did you read the one when Obama had a Republican senior Senator in to discuss ACA and after solid discourse and seeming agreement on key provisions the Senator said bluntly sorry Mr President but my conference and I cannot support you on this…you understand.

    Bi-partanship? That has been a bad-word now for eight years. We don’t say ‘rash**e’ in good company. And neither do they don’t say that word in good company of elected officials either.

    Skinner, Codrington, Sargeant, Artax and Are-We blogged above and previously and provided chapter and verse rebuttals to try to show you the error of your position but here is my 2 cents…

    Barack Obama’s tenure started in the depths of a recession with an unemployment rate trending towards historical highs and which now is at historical low. He must surely get major credit towards ‘economic change’

    He navigated winds of war and dissension and deep fissures on the world and national scene. He must get credit towards ‘societal change and souring hope’!

    We condemn his ‘red line’ comment and the Aleppo, Mosul debacles but we do not acclaim his administration for keeping his country from a war in Syria; particularly the vexing issue of keeping a major terror problem from exploding even more (Practically every enemy- e.g. Al Nusra – of Assad who sought US arms was aligned to an Al Qaeda or ISIS pod it seemed; major conniption).

    Nor do we acclaim his administration for managing the explosion that was the Arab Spring.

    We are fifty years on from major civil rights events and the aura of Dr. King but still re the Michael Brown killing (in your article above) 80% of African Americans saw race as important to the discussion. BUT 47% of whites thought race was getting TOO MUCH attention.

    Yet we want to depict Obama as a failure on racial issues when in fact he bestrode the office of President in his divided nation with honor and respectful tenor.

    Racial CHANGE you seek. One man. Eight years. Phew. The political reality of being in his shoes is not so facile!!!!

    Rather than incite more unrest with even mild rhetoric he tasked his Justice Dept to hold several police departments to a higher degree of accountability with Consent Decrees and other such tools to seek justice. Things to which we do not pay attention.

    We can all accept that there was less change in key areas than many wanted and expected.

    AND now he enjoins the battle with folks like his former AG to fight against the gerrymandering and voter repressions rampant by Republicans…..

    Let’s not see change with Obama in the past tense. Think again, It’s present and future tense…Onward ever, ‘Hope and Change’.

    ‘I have a dream ….” Lives on anew!

  9. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    My President Was Black:
    Article by Ta-Nehisi Coates

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/01/my-president-was-black/508793/

  10. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Obama was a ‘success’ simply by holding the post of President of ‘ApartheidCentral’ for two terms, and doing so with unmatched grace and poise….and coming out alive…

    To have expected him to CHANGE the white people’s laws, and minds, speaks of people who have read too many comic books – especially ‘superheroes’ like Superman and Hulk….

    Obama’s presidency was SURELY one of the ‘signs and wonders’ of the end times….

  11. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    Bushie

    As usual, you are refusing to throw out the baby with the bath water.

    That analysis does not serve us well, attaches a level of importance to Obama which is undeserved.

    The best truth is that Obama served the people who own him.

    But he got to the presidency by a series of tricks on a vulnerable people looking for a saviour.

    Your attempts that tend to suggest the least bad that could have been expected fails to make contact with public expectations.

  12. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    Anonymouse – The Gazer January 18, 2017 at 5:52 PM #

    “Had there not been an Obama, there would not have been a Trump”

    @ Anonymouse – The Gazer

    I agree with your response to the above comments.

    America has a history of perpetrating racial hatred, which dates back to the days when the first settlers segregated the Native Americans (Cherokee, Wampanoag, Navajo, Chinook, Sioux, etc) in reservation camps. I’m sure many of BU’s contributors remember the days when these tribes were portrayed in “cowboy movies,” as heartless savages who preyed upon white women and children, when in actuality they were defending their lands and culture.

    The Irish were also victims of racism and, more often than not, they had to settle for dangerous jobs, such as policemen and firemen. This is one of the main reasons why bag-pipes are played at the funerals of fallen police officers……. in commemoration of the Irish.

    Then there was the abomination of slavery, which began in the Virginia, US in circa 1619, when Africans were brought to work in the tobacco fields. 398 years after, the effects of slavery still exist in the American society.

    White Americans, thinking they are “superior,” still have an inherent hatred for other races. They form white supremacist groups such as the KKK, Skin Heads, or the White Aryan Resistance, to wreck havoc on minority groups.

    It is interesting to note when Trump was on the campaign trail, his “far-right rhetoric” revitalized these hate groups. He was able to attract members of KKK and far right extremist groups, who perhaps interpreted his rhetoric as an “amplification” of their message and as the reason for their emboldened re-emergence.

    Even non-racists also recognized the racial overtones in his speeches. After all, if you were to analyze Trump’s shiite talk within its context, his slogan: “Make America great again,” could be interpreted as “Restore a white America.”

    These extremists openly endorsed Trump, “including Don Black, a former grand dragon of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and founder of the neo-Nazi site Stormfront; Rocky Suhayda, chair of the American Nazi Party; and Rachel Pendergraft, a national organizer for the Knights Party, the successor to David Duke’s Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Richard Spencer, an emerging leader among a new generation of white nationalists known as the “alt right”.”

    Trump selected prominent white nationalist, William Johnson, as a delegate for his (Trump) Republican presidential primary in California. “Johnson leads the American Freedom Party, a group that “exists to represent the political interests of White Americans” and aims to preserve “the customs and heritage of the European American people”.”

    The Monday, November 23, 2015 edition of “POLITIFACT,” reported Trump came “under fire” for tweeting on Sunday, November 22, 2015, blacks are responsible for 81% of white homicides. He stated the source of his statistics was the “Crime Statistics Bureau” in San Francisco. In an interview with FOX News’ Bill O’Reilly, Trump said: “It came from SOURCES that are VERY CREDIBLE, what can I tell you.”

    The Crime Statistics Bureau DOES NOT EXIST.

    Donald Trump will be popular because he EPITOMIZES the TRUE UNDERLYING PSYCHE of white supremacist Americans.

  13. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “It is what is promised he would do with his platform mantra HOPE and CHANGE.”

    @ David

    Surely you must recognize and accept Obama brought “hope and change” for Cubans when he ended the embargo that was in place in Cuba since 1961.

    Obama admitted that decades of isolating Cuba failed to accomplish the objective of empowering Cubans to build an open and democratic country.

    In December 2014, Obama announced he was “rejecting the failed, Cold War-era policy era of the past” to chart a new course in relations between Cuba and the USA. Between May 29, 2015 and March 16, 2016, Obama pursued policies to re-established diplomatic relations with Cuba.

    He reopened a US embassy in Havana; created an environment whereby Cuba and the US would work together “on matters of mutual concern,” such as migration, counter-narcotics, environmental protection and trafficking of persons;” improved travel and remittance policies to effectively empower Cubans; facilitated an expansion of travel to Cuba by restoring 110 direct, commercial round-trip flights per day.

    There are Trump supporters who took an anti-Cuba stance, but are supportive of Trump’s suggestion to re-establishing ties with Russia.

  14. chad99999 Avatar
    chad99999

    No matter how many times you tell people on this thread that there is no “racist backlash” in Amerikkka, they still bury their heads in the sand and keep repeating the same old drivel.

    Two points. Donald Trump got almost identical results to Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008. Hillary only did slightly less well than Obama in key swing states. But in presidential elections, very small differences can be decisive.

    Second, the majority of white Americans are racists throughout their lives. It is unchanging. They may be more polite or less polite about it at different times, but it is unchanging. To most of them, most blacks look ugly and dirty and resemble chimpanzees. That is all there is to it. To talk about constantly changing racial divides is nonsense.

    Get used to it. Grow up and smell the coffee.

  15. David Avatar
    David

    @Artax

    It is a matter of perspective.

    There is the other argument that a small island located at the doorstep of a superpower was able to defy all that was thrown at it for over 50 years and it did not achieve the objective. The Cuban people have demonstrated a resilience which has embarrassed the USA. Relaxing the embargo was an inevitability if one considers USA’s trade policy with China and other unsavoury regimes. So yes, we hold a slightly different view. Obama gets some credit for being in the right place at the right time.

  16. David Avatar
    David

    oops!

    Assange lawyer: Manning commutation doesn’t meet extradition offer’s conditions

  17. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The fun never stops.

    http://ow.ly/3wZk3089gcp

    Chadster…you obviously care a lot about what racist, hateful whites think about blacks, who they have robbed etc for centuries…they are the ones with the damaged souls filled with hatred for other humans.

    You are the one accepting of it and trying to spend the rest of your life living up to the racist’s damaged souls ……you are the loser here.

  18. ac Avatar
    ac

    Defiance in the face of adversity is equivalent to chaos and that is what the Cuban people experienced for fifty years under Castro.
    Those who would like to write Castro into History on a page of Defiant action against a superpower should also realized and rationalized and interject the heavy price which include loss of lives the Cuban people had to pay .
    Obama actions to play a role to pave a way for a free Cuba is not happenstance but is a goal and a theme driven by Hope which Obama made as pivotal theme to governing.
    To say that Obama was in the right place at the right time is by all means political sour grapes and a way downplaying Obama influence and significant and the respect he garnished from other world leaders

  19. David Avatar
    David

    Another point to consider:under the tenure of Obama (leader of the Democratic Party for the last 8 years) is that the Congress and Senate has been decimated. The number we hear is 1,000 seats through the eddoes.

  20. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    @ David

    It is more than that. The Democrats, under Obama is less powerful in terms of elected officials, than since the 1920s.

    So while the queen bee, Obama, parades out front with high numbers, his party only occupies 33% of state, regional, federal positions.

    This ‘bee’ has no clothes, no coat tails! LOL

  21. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Pacha….what you are saying no longer applies to Obama…he made his last speech yesterday, it is no longer his problem, but someone else’s….and not Trump’s either.

  22. ac Avatar
    ac

    All of what David and Pacha states is par for the course which comes with politics.
    However whichever way one wants to put Obama legacy in history there would always be a glowing display for respect for the man a black man named Obama President of a superpower
    The last USA election which brought substantial losses to the democratics cannot solely be placed at Obama feet as history would also displays the whys and actions which played significant roles in the democratic losses
    And please do not forget that even as the new elected president takes office an asterisk of doubt still hangs over his head resulting in his poll numbers.
    The truth is yet to be uncover

  23. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, the point of lost seats is pelliucid in bright lights for all to see. Obviously missing is the deep dive on why.

    Several bloggers have made reference here to the extensive and intensive work of Republican legislatures over the years to establish seats in their image: gerrymandering. They have systematically fixed state seats and thus almost irrevocably fixed the congressional districts. This is real…thus the action by former AG Holder.

    Obama is popular and very much a lightening rod but his popularity alone cannot prevent the creeping ‘insidious’ actions of the Republican players deep on the ground. You clearly do not accept that this is a phenomenon that took root during Clnton’s tenure and has now morphed into the Gorilla it is.

    The Democrats overcame to a significant extent the big money donations which favored Republicans; referenced by all as the Citizens United ruling. They need to do significantly more work to get their party back on track now.

    You can blame Obama as its facile. But for the last eight years he was leading the nation NOT the Dems.

    He has a strange set of luck and popularity which took HIM over his key obstacles and for those who want to see it’s also pellucid the many times the Dem candidates ran AWAY from Obama’s signature item: the ACA.

    The party was decimated in 2010 due to that and he would have lost in 2012 on that as well if not for the favorable Supreme Court ruling from Chief Justice Roberts.

    So Mr Blogmaster do not conflate his personal popularity with the woes of the Dems. The party needs to standout with solid policies and fight the Republicans deep on the ground to win the hearts and souls of legislative voters…not just for the presidential sweepstakes.

    BTW I am still trying to figure out your January 19, 2017 at 3:12 AM!…… How that embargo was inevitably relaxed vis a vis China or any other befuddles me. And how the happenstance of Obama being in power pushed it is interesting.

    He made it a central point of his presidency but other candidates did NOT. That embargo was upended because Obama wanted it so.

    Cuba had a special place in US foreign affairs…a very special place. Take a moment to revisit that awesome thing called ‘wet foot dry foot’: special for Cubans.

    There are no indications that ANYTHING would have changed under a Republican or either another Democratic president!

  24. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    dpD

    Some awesome posts!
    Great work!

  25. David Avatar
    David

    @Dee Word

    That huff and puff BS will not work with the blogmaster.

  26. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    Donald has refilled the swamp with his Cabinet of billionaire/millionaire white folks and the token Dr. Carson, although some may say that Nikki Haley is an “Indian American” she may disagree as she once recorded her race as “white” on her voter registration card but not a Hispanic among the bunch.

    Perhaps Dr. Carson may be more readily recognized by his colleagues than a previous black HUD Secretary- Samuel Pierce- who was once greeted by Ronald Reagan prior to a meeting with a “Hello Mr. Mayor”.

  27. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “No matter how many times you” present evidence to substantiate Donald J. Trump is a racist liar, BU’s resident misogynist continues to “bury his head in the sand and keep repeating the same old drivel.”

    Trump has proven time and time again he is an immature boy living in a 70 year old man’s body.

    “Get used to it. Grow up and smell the coffee.”

  28. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @Artax who wrote”Donald J. Trump is a racist liar,”

    You left out “tremendous” and “amazing” before the words racist and liar.

    America will be “Great Again”……for rich white people.

  29. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Yall left out the words yuge and bigly…racist liar…lol

    It would be interesting to know who is being chosen as the designated survivor.

  30. chad99999 Avatar
    chad99999

    I agree Donald Trump is a racist liar. So is Hillary. So are a majority of Americans.

  31. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Gracias, @Are-We. And note that your contributions and those of some others were also noted as excellent, top-drawer rebuttals to this Obama as failed savior mantra perpetuated by the Blogmaster.

    @David, ‘Huff and puff BS…” you say. LOLL. I thought you said you wanted objective analysis.

    Do break down for me what is the huff, the puff and particularly the cow do-do BS.

    To disagree is human but to throw shade without support is rather ‘non-objective’ wouldn’t you say!

    24 hours and counting…to world mayhem. That is some serious BS upcoming. On that I will agree unconditionally.

    Cherish these eight ‘failed’ years that led to this booming economy – with tepid annual growth admittedly- but ready for lift off….over to Mr Don Amazing Tremendous Putin Thinks I Am Brilliant Trump!

  32. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    Social media were rife with claims, for the past 48 hours, that the CIA is likely to assassinate Trump before inauguration.

  33. ac Avatar
    ac

    Another bunch of fake news that Trump and his propaganda machine with accomplice Putin has put out on social media

  34. David Avatar
    David

    Final clarification for you. Obama is a nice man based on what he has shown us in his public career. As far as achievements while in office is concerned he made no significant progress. By yours and the other apologists he was unable to garner support from across the divide. Whether it was the fault of the Republicans is irrelevant. The sterile point is that he was NOT able to do it. He was not able to deliver on his campaign promises for the most part. And the one big ticket item on which his legacy is pinned is in danger of being dismantled. Sad but it a minusminus to Obama column.

  35. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Been hearing that rumour for weeks Trump better be careful what he wish for…lol

  36. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @ David wrote, ” As far as achievements while in office is concerned he made no significant progress. ”

    What did you expect him to achieve ?

  37. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-deep-fear-he-is-not-legitimate-us-president-biographer-michael-dantonio-hillary-clinton-a7534711.html

    We know this.

  38. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    Moving On Rub-A-Dub

  39. ac Avatar
    ac

    Listen bro breaking news Obama inherited a broken system high unemployment wars left and right. Osma bin laden the most wanted rogue in town was caught millions of people without health insurance a castrophic financial burden to govt revenue got acess
    The fact is that even at this point and time employment is at its lowest l levels low enough to be describe as full employment in a country of iver a billion people a whopping drop of 4.7% .Obama made a promise which he kept that he would not further pursue ground wars on foreign soil but will pursue humantarian causes as a right policy. He kept that promise and even as the republicans do their darndest to repeal Obama care . Obama and the democratics can never be accused if not fulfilling that promise
    In eight years after pulling america from the depths if economic disaster and repairing the damage of scandal done to the office of presidency what more can any one asked for

  40. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/rB9C308astV

    Let’s see indeed.

  41. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    AC

    Are you still telling all these LIES for Obama

    Osama was dead, we know this with certainty, 10 years before Obama staged his death just before his re-election campaign in 2011.

    That is FAKE mews of the Obamaesque variety.

  42. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    And even if Osama were not dead. Obama would have no reason to kill him.

    Because he, Osama, would be leading the Western-styled atrocities in Syria.

  43. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David January 19, 2017 at 2:24 PM. That is not a clarification. But accepted

    You asked for objectivity in the debate but choose instead to offer your opinion without the benefit of reasoned fact. Repeatedly saying that Obama did not get any Republican bipartisan support despite the clear evidence that they HAD NO intention to support his agenda is unreal.

    You are a very astute political analyst so your position here is either due to a partisan position or you are not as ofay with the US political nitty-gritty as you are with the Bajan scene.

    All good, old chap.

    I will continue to defend the 44th President’s real change based on the FACTS. And I make no apologies whatever for the failings of his tenure. Why should I?

    Factoid ….
    ***Obama pushed $787 billion worth of economic stimulus through Congress in 2009/10 and there was virtually NO Republican support.

    YET Trump’s plan for a $1 trillion stimulus plan has the Republican Congress falling over themselves to blow the deficit this time around.

    Bipartisan approval and support. Yeah surely!

    Incidentally the ACA may be repealed but the goal of Health Care for the many will NOW be met. Thanks to Obama for bringing a flawed plan to fruition to give 20+ million Health Insurance.

    There is now NO going back. That’s REAL change Mr Blogmaster!

  44. ac Avatar
    ac

    another one of obama obectives not a promise but an objective was that of rejuvenating the housing market which was devastated in the global economic melt down , Obama Objective was realized most in part to low interest rates which cause an upsurge in consumer spending in the real estate market and revived confidence
    Low income workers who were kept at a paltry 5.50 per hour under the Republican saw their income increased yearly to a present 8. 5o per hour
    Obama is not a magician but he did america proud in the short eight years against unsurmountable odds

  45. David Avatar
    David

    All together now -President Trump!

  46. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    D reminds me of MB switch like an alt-right white bitch loving up the Trump shit

  47. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    The Entire World is “Fake News”
    By Andre Vltchek

    January 19, 2017 “Information Clearing House” – Imperialist demagogues, as well as religious fanatics, are known to live in their grotesque realities. They erect huge sand castles, invent mascots, and bombard the public relentlessly with self-promoting messages.

    Those who refuse to listen and believe, those who dare to doubt and resist, are sidelined, starved to death, humiliated or simply liquidated.

    Western religions and European/North American brutal colonialist practices are intertwined culturally. Hand in hand, for centuries, they have been destroying our Planet, from corner to corner, on all continents and even on the high seas.

    All conquests, all genocides, all plunders have been eternally rationalized, painstakingly justified. Grand bogus concepts of charity, of ‘altruism’ have been erected. Subjugated nations have always been ruined in the name of some higher principles, in order to save them from themselves. For centuries, the West has portrayed itself as a sacrificial lamb, as a hand chosen by some divine power, as the greatest civilization that is continuously and altruistically liberating the world……………………………………………………

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46265.htm

  48. Violet C Beckles CUP Avatar
    Violet C Beckles CUP

    This will be a new type of WAR, White on WHITE WAR. THE white knows blacks no longer needed after voting for one side or the other, Now whites mad at whites and we will now see How much so white live matter, The white already showed that black life dont matter,

    Now Red on Red and Red on Blue States , As the Crooks Hilary Clinton did not win, That may have slow down the WARs on the planet ,for now, Trump is a DEM in REPublican ties,

    We will see how he deals with Israel and that fool at the helm.
    American never won a war without help of the Blacks or Natives, England war,North against South , WW1, WW2 , Gulf, , and each time they give up a part of the PIE,

    Now We again will watch them fight each other before they make another Offer.

    Trump will shock you all, Bill locked up near 2million of his wives voters , Mother, father children were not looking to vote for the wife of the man BILL who locked them up on bull shit,
    3 stricks your out, in jail for life,

  49. ac Avatar
    ac

    All together – President Obama a black man from poor and humble beginnings to be a first. The first black president of the U SA
    A man of class and priceless character.
    Tomorrow at 12oclock a ruthless bully name Donald Trump would replace Obama
    What a f..king shame

  50. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/92635/fortress-washington-girds-days-anti-trump-protests

    Dont know if there ever was an inauguration with protestors before…wow

    http://ow.ly/WkOp308aXs2

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