The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Symbolism of the Broken Trident

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Broken Trident

In relatively recent times, more individuals than one have expressed their consternation with the emblem of the broken trident in the national flag, and its representation in the recently revealed National Monument, claiming an association thereby with Satanism.

Given that there has been no general protest during the previous fifty years of its existence, and given that any depiction of Satan and therefore of whatever objects he may not may not carry is clearly a matter purely of artistic imagination and creative impression, this current outcry during the jubilee of our Independent status might be considered as premised exclusively on zealous excess and may perhaps be owed to the increased visibility of the national standard at this time.

As most of us have learnt, the broken trident signifies principally the delinking of Barbados from Great Britain, whose female personification was Britannia, which served as an emblem of British power. Some may recall the jingoistic boast at the height of Empire that “Britannia rules the waves…”. Britannia carries a three pronged fork or trident in most depictions; an implement that is also carried by Neptune, or his Greek counterpart, Poseidon.

The link of Barbados to the trident of Britannia has been emphasized time and again throughout our history, once finding pride of place on our colonial flag, on the colonial badge, on our coinage, and on our stamps. Any internet Google search for the images of “seal of the Colony of Barbados” will cogently reveal this association.

So far as the link to Satan is concerned, one historian’s answer to the question, “Why is the Devil often portrayed with a pitchfork?” on the website “Ask Historians” makes for intriguing reading.

According to the narrative, “most of the physical features of the modern image of the Devil developed through the mediaeval period as the Devil became more real to Christians as he began to stalk the earth in the minds of ecclesiastics”. He notes that “these physical features are not of Biblical representation”.

Since there was no text to provide guidance as to the appropriate representation, mediaevalists were constrained to revert to formalism– the way of interpreting literature or art that stresses the heavy or exclusive dominance of traditional standard images or motifs, perpetual coded formulas of representation and description. According to one mediaevalist, Norman Cantor, “the traditional standardized images and motifs are privileged and centered in this view of mediaeval visual and literary art while individual creativity and original discovery are marginalized or excluded altogether”.

He views this formalist approach as ideological –“ the great preponderance of images and motifs was inherited from Greco –Roman Classical art and literature or from the thought world of the Church Fathers…which in turn was a product of the interaction of Biblical ideas with the classical tradition”.

Given this thesis, it should be unsurprising that most depictions of Jesus and Mary are cast in their traditional purely Caucasian form and it might equally be considered prudent on the part of Islam to regard any man-made image or representation of the Prophet to be blasphemous.

Earliest 10th century representations of the Devil depict him with a three-pronged pitchfork, herding souls away from Jesus and steering them into Hell.

According to one historian, Jeffrey Burton Russell, the Devil’s “pitchfork” derives in part from the ancient trident, such as that carried by Poseidon that symbolizes threefold power over the Earth air and sea [Greek mythology], in part from symbols of death, and in part from the instruments used in hell for the torture of the damned [ Biblical ideas].

Conversely, the anonymous author of the piece queries “if the devil were to be made to appear in the real world, why should not that image appear in the real world?”.

His thesis is that the Romans had a two-pronged pitchfork for light work but. in Northern Europe , where the soil was heavier and more clayey, the three-pronged pitchfork was developed in the early middle ages.

He reasons that farming communities grew up around the mediaeval abbeys, thus suffusing the daily existence of their inhabitants, the monastics, with the sights, sounds and smells of the peasantry and rural life. Pitchforks would have been a frequent sight in these environs.

Given that the pitchfork of the Devil first appeared in the second half of the early Middle Ages in the minds of ecclesiastical writers and artists; the monks and bishops, he queries whether these creative would not have more likely drawn their inspiration from the peasantry whom they saw daily than from Greek and Roman images of a millennium before.

Indeed, he compares the use of the fork by the Devil to winnow or shepherd away the souls of the ungodly with a passage from the Gospel of Matthew that employs the identical imagery from the opposite perspective-

“His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

According to the thesis of the author, in the portrayal of good and evil “good” is mainly associated with the rich who are thought of as pure and the determiners of what is good and what is evil. The “bad” is associated with all those others who were not similarly blessed to have been born wealthy and thus have to work for a living. Their habits were also seen as bad. According to accepted dogma, the ultimate symbols of bad or evil were hell and the Devil. Hence, according to his argument, the pitchfork used by the poor peasants became associated with evil because of its association with what the good in society considered “bad”.

This attractive argument, in my view, serves to refute the affirmation that the trident on our flag is to be associated with Devil worship as some have posited. In any case, the broken trident should logically suggest that we have weaned ourselves away from what the unbroken object is assumed to signify, in this case, Evil.

It is with some hesitation that I make this last point however, since the broken trident in our flag is supposed to denote a political advance on our former status in those days when the entire trident was an integral part of our landmarks. And yet we have seen it fit to retain the epitome of Britannia in the personages of Her Majesty, her heirs and assigns as our Head of state in perpetuity. One may well ask, “Is the trident really broken?”

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69 Comments on “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Symbolism of the Broken Trident”

  1. Caswell Franklyn December 4, 2016 at 7:34 AM #

    The centrepiece of our 50th anniversary celebrations was Britain’s Prince Harry. The trident might be broken on the flag but psychologically it is still intact.

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  2. Bush Tea December 4, 2016 at 7:58 AM #

    @ Jeff
    A very well researched piece, and most relevant.
    You know full well that symbolism is by far more important and impactful than mere historical facts.

    Bushie will be brief – because you are a learned man who understands quickly.

    The swastika is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being.”

    What would be your assessment of any country now, that would build a monument with a swastika…?
    ….or that would celebrate their anniversary by passing a swastika around the country to be held up and savoured by its children…?

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  3. Sargeant December 4, 2016 at 8:44 AM #

    In the first flush of Independence the colours of the flag (aqua marine and gold) were posited as being symbolic of the sea and sun, the broken trident was representative of Neptune/Poseidon and Barbados having risen from the Sea. Now I hear different, yuh hear about history being rewritten I didn’t expect it in my lifetime.

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  4. Jeff Cumberbatch December 4, 2016 at 8:47 AM #

    @Bushie, the swastika has come to represent hatred universally. I am not at all sure that the trident, broken or otherwise, has achieved that degree of notoriety. Comparisons are usually odious and indeed so in this case.

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  5. ac December 4, 2016 at 8:49 AM #

    Well did americans not elect a president one the comes with symbolic posteuring alligned to White Supremacy words and deeds
    We are in the dawning of a new age where facts and truth are no longer relevant.
    A souring and a new implantation of words and meanings have become a normalcy making a right seem wrong
    Would not be at all surprise to see an acceptable movement of the Swastika.
    I recall hearing a white Supremacist proving that acceptabilty of anything can be accomplised. He cited gay mariages which was highly unacceptable in the eighties and have now become a symbol of human rights and part of family values

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  6. Bush Tea December 4, 2016 at 9:06 AM #

    LOL
    Shiite!!! AC is is arguing Bushie’s case … and doing so coherently..
    Wunna want any more proof that time is short…??!! 🙂

    @ Jeff
    One man’s idea of ‘notoriety’ is another’s casual dismissal of relevance.

    Now that Trump has risen, you can expect that highly intelligent and influential persons will revert to the ORIGINAL meaning and VALUES of the swastika ..as they justify its resurgence, while dismissing as irrelevant, its Nazi association.

    When our flag was conceived, who is to say that person with nefarious intent did not impose their own hidden agendas …and symbols …into that national embalm?
    Have a close look at USA currency and do your research on the symbols thereon… and see if nefarious dark forces have not ALWAYS been in the background pushing their own secret agendas.

    What is different now, is that they have become emboldened by the times, and have brought these hidden agendas to the fore….
    Kindly explain from your research, the purpose and significance of the ‘monument’….. and of the year-long passing of the ‘trident’ around the country….

    Bushie is not saying that we can do anything about it now…. just note the signs of the times and act accordingly.

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  7. Jeff Cumberbatch December 4, 2016 at 9:42 AM #

    @ Sarge,

    Your explanation of the broken trident symbolizing Poseidon’s trident because Barbados is supposed “to have risen from the sea” is new to me, I must confess. Why then have the trident broken?

    @ Bushie, I know of your belief that these are the end times. But I think that like the philosophers, you are finding “sermons in stones and books in the running brooks”. In other words, overthinking the reality.

    The broken trident is our national symbol; the (unbroken) trident is associated with Satan merely because some influential monastics once interpreted it that way. There is nothing Biblical or historical or real about that representation just as there is nothing factual about modern day representations of God as an old man with a long white beard or a Jesus with pure Caucasian features, blue eyes and all.

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  8. Pachamama December 4, 2016 at 9:44 AM #

    Bushie

    We would like to insert that the swastika come originally from Egypt civilization. And yes it appeared elsewhere.

    We also wish you luck in trying to convince Jeff about some realities not associated with the strict meaning of law.

    Of course you are right. And what you are trying to say has more meanings to us than all the dead laws on all books. Or misguided wandering of leaders who would have wanted to institutionalize lies to have us serve wickedness.

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  9. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 10:01 AM #

    Devil or not, it still looks like a damn pitch fork to me and the below is pure fantasy.

    “As most of us have learnt, the broken trident signifies principally the delinking of Barbados from Great Britain, whose female personification was Britannia, which served as an emblem of British power. Some may recall the jingoistic boast at the height of Empire that “Britannia rules the waves…”. Britannia carries a three pronged fork or trident in most depictions; an implement that is also carried by Neptune, or his Greek counterpart, Poseidon.”

    Because. ..

    “In any case, the broken trident should logically suggest that we have weaned ourselves away from what the unbroken object is assumed to signify, in this case, Evil.”

    Logically the old hag in the broken down palace in the UK, which now needs massive repairs to the tune of over 300 million pounds, sent Harry to firmly replace a chattel yoke around yall necks for another 50 years. ., yall have been reprogrammed…you were never freed mentally or psychologically most like the ACs and Alvins and the nuisances in parliament…still cannot act like they are free.

    At least the GG knows his place is merely one of a messenger boy.

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  10. de pedantic Dribbler December 4, 2016 at 10:04 AM #

    I endorse the Bushman: a most beautifully written piece.

    But does it not make it’s own resounding case Mr Cumberbatch that the context of the Trident is steeped in a long ago mythology and ‘artistic’ interpretation that manifests writ-large in the duality of the fanciful Gods of Zeus and the Christian belief!

    Does the aforementioned BushTea, for example, not continually tussle as all Christians do with their broken ‘trident’ from the Devil’s will over their Godly intentions?

    So with that ‘odious’ comparison surely the query “Is the trident really broken?” can be answered, Yes.

    We broke from the ‘evil empire’ and daily tussle to find our way even as we invite (relapse) to bring the empire’s representative regularly back into our life!

    Just saying…

    Not to be simplistic but undoubtedly, we are again creating a mystique of the type which absolutely authored the symbol.

    But again, lovely writing craft and research!

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  11. ac December 4, 2016 at 10:04 AM #

    Pachaman comments gives even more weight to acceptabilty on any thing when sufficiently well reasoned to uncover the origins
    Enough food for thought a thought that might have crossed the white supremacist mind especially in an era where truth is compromised to any one way of thinking to their beliefs

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  12. Jeff Cumberbatch December 4, 2016 at 10:22 AM #

    “…Or misguided wandering of leaders who would have wanted to institutionalize lies to have us serve wickedness”.

    @Pachamama, you realize of course that this symbol is 50 years old? Are you then condemning ALL our leaders during that time.? Or is it that you do not have a clue what you are writing about?

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  13. Sargeant December 4, 2016 at 10:36 AM #

    @jeff
    Faulty memory not aqua marine but ultramarine, my recall is based on what I read in the newspapers at the time.

    I just checked my copy of Barbados Heritage A-Z and I quote:

    The National Flag, flown for the first time at midnight 29/30 November 1966, consists of three equal vertical strips of ultramarine, gold and ultramarine, with a broken trident in the centre of the gold strips. The trident is that of Neptune in the old colony badge, and symbolises both continuity and the break with tradition made by Independence.

    That should be the final word.

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  14. Pachamama December 4, 2016 at 10:49 AM #

    Errol Barrow was a 33 degree lodge man. A man called Prescott (Prescod), we seem to remember, designed the national fag. He was another lodge man. We’ll bet the author of the national anthem was another lodge man. In spite of the trick about have competitions to decide.

    We seem to remember that Barrow and his henchmen were associated with Prince Hall lodge somewhere in Greame Hall. What a coincidence.

    We always wondered why we had to have these symbols. When we look at the 60/70 countries ‘gaining’ independence around that time. Countries that were using predominately earth colours. Colours like black, green and gold, for example. Why Barbados was so different?

    Fifty-six (56) of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, in America, were openly senior members of lodges.

    As lodge men they ceaselessly tried to imposed their supposedly superior world view on us all.

    But we know that Black people know very little about the real secrets of lodges. It is the Scottish Lodges which continue to, even to this day, keep Black lodge members in the dark.

    The irony is that the deep secrets about lodges are about ‘Black” people. And that secret is the biggest of them all.

    With all of these lodge people around the place, one should presuppose a high level of wickedness.

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  15. David December 4, 2016 at 10:53 AM #

    The Lodge suffocates Barbados with its ”symbols/customs”. Arthur is a lodgeman also. How will this work against Mia?

    Couldn’t help!

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  16. David December 4, 2016 at 11:08 AM #

    Raymond Lorde David King, one of the men who was pushing this demon symbol nonsense sells prosperity water, go figure????

    Raymond Lorde's photo.

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  17. Pachamama December 4, 2016 at 11:14 AM #

    Jeff said…………………

    ””’@Pachamama, you realize of course that this symbol is 50 years old? Are you then condemning ALL our leaders during that time.? Or is it that you do not have a clue what you are writing about?””

    Fifty years is nothing. We deal with hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution. And sometimes more.

    In Brazil we, a few years ago, discovered a distinctively African civilization, carbon dated at 56,000 years. Fifty years is a mere twinkling of an eye.

    What should be more important to us is the real history of the country we call Barbados but should be properly known as Ichirouganaim by its original owners. But of course that has no relevance to you and the narrow mindedness presented.

    Well if it is a condemnation to tell the whole story about your so-called leaders. Yes we are!

    And we have always done this. For example, we will posit that Barrow should not be referred to as a ‘national hero’ nor ‘father of independence’ because we now know, with certainty, that the CIA was the real force behind running the British out of its former colonies. And the role by Barrow was merely peripheral. We have the historical documents.

    But even a barely sentient being would suggest that so many countries gaining independence is very rare in all of history. And would want to look at causation, not petty nationalism.

    With all the writings we have done here and you still have the temerity to suggest we have no idea about what we speak is a measure of a certain kind of backwardness. Have you ever been able to win any argument with us?

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  18. David December 4, 2016 at 11:21 AM #

    @Pacha

    What should be more important to us is the real history of the country we call Barbados but should be properly known as Ichirouganaim by its original owners. But of course that has no relevance to you and the narrow mindedness presented.

    How does one pronounce the original name? We note Sir Hilary experienced great difficulty with the pronunciation.

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  19. Vincent Haynes December 4, 2016 at 11:26 AM #

    We are a secular society according to our constitution and it is high time that devils and pitchforks be consigned to our distant past where they enjoyed credence.

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  20. Pachamama December 4, 2016 at 11:43 AM #

    David

    This morning you are showing the ills of our brain trust.

    On the one hand, a world renowned historian does not know how to call the true name of his island.

    On the other, we have a renowned legal expert not familiar with significant historical documents within his own department of history, at his University of the West Indies. Documents that must give a different view of Barbados’ legal culture.

    That is the cultural failings we are to face.

    Can’t talk, but it could be broken down as Ichi-rou-ga-naim

    What so difficult about

    The nature of culture means knowing a lot of words in other languages

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  21. Pachamama December 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM #

    Maybe I-chi-rou-ga-na-im is more precise

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  22. David December 4, 2016 at 11:53 AM #

    For those who want to follow. Forgive the citation using Wikipedia. GP if he was here would throw a fit!

    bb

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indigenous_names_of_Eastern_Caribbean_islands

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  23. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM #

    “But we know that Black people know very little about the real secrets of lodges. It is the Scottish Lodges which continue to, even to this day, keep Black lodge members in the dark.”

    Philip, Charles and all the Windsors are lodge people, with all the ceremonies, rituals, simmy dimmy and white magic entailed, evil is high up on their agendas, has been for over 800 years and will always be until Mother Earth purges herself of that evil force……

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  24. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 12:05 PM #

    Many of the Arawak and Carib owned islands still use their native, original names, the airport in View Fort, Hewanhoŕra,St. Lucia carries their native name, Jamaica still uses theirs…Trinidad uses their original name as their name as the national bird, why cant the best educated in Barbados use their original name and associate it with the island’s reefs…tourists dig that stuff, show some kind of identity.

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  25. Realist December 4, 2016 at 12:52 PM #

    @Jeff

    In reading your opening paragraph you pointed out more individuals than one have expressed …………

    I assume your provocatively posted this article as I have interpreted that there is not much serious discussion on this matter as more than one individual could amount to two. Through history we have had deity related to certain events. In African religion there was no monolithic God. There were Gods for rain, sun, among other things and this was similar to the Aztecs and Maya civilizations (hope I have spelt the name correctly) , Symbols are left to interpretation. Why is hell associate with fire?

    My interpretation of the broken trident is that the control which Britanica had over our legal, judicial and administrative systems were no more and therefore we had the power to rule our own destiny. You may argue that we only recently have control of the legal system with the birth of CCJ.

    I have not detect no any meaningful discontent with the Trident which has been placed in the time capsule to be open in fifty years time. I hope I am alive to see that historic moment.

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  26. Gabriel December 4, 2016 at 12:59 PM #

    David Ellis is discussing price gouging on Brasstacks today…….for the record chicken at my supplier was sold in September ’16 @9.49 per kg.In October the price increased to 9.94 per kg.Last month November the price was 10.35 per kg.I am afraid of going back in December.

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  27. Jeff Cumberbatch December 4, 2016 at 1:12 PM #

    @Realist, I heard the association of the broken trident with Satanism more than TWICE on the call in program, read it in the papers ( an evangelical pastor) and it wad averred here on BU by more bloggers than one

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  28. Hopi December 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM #

    The origin of the Trident has nothing to do with the Devil. What Bajans should recognise is the fact that the designer(s) separated the Trident at its FOUNDATION, its BASE, its GROUNDING in MATTER and then held that broken emblem over the nation’s head, hence the nation has no sound ANCHOR and will always be steered by Britannia and others as they please. Remove Man from the equation and you remove the Devil.

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  29. Bush Tea December 4, 2016 at 1:18 PM #

    A clear sign of above average intelligence is the realisation that the more we learn, the more we do not understand. Wise people therefore NEVER dismiss new ideas simply because they are beyond their immediate comprehension…. or because they conflict with their current perceptions of reality.
    Life is even more complex than the even most intelligent of us contemplates.

    @ Jeff
    Not picking on you, but some time ago you admitted to a complete ignorance of the spiritual realm and of the spiritual laws associated therewith. If therefore you choose to write an article that touches on spiritual symbols it is surprising that you could be as dogmatic as you are on the matter of symbols of satanism and their import.

    There are MANY things that have direct impact on our lives …and deaths ….and which we do not understand…and often not even know about.

    In this particular case time will tell ….and not much time is needed either.

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  30. charles skeete December 4, 2016 at 1:52 PM #

    “should be properly known as Ichirouganaim by its original owners.”

    What empirical evidence is there to this?

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  31. ac December 4, 2016 at 4:54 PM #

    So what is the difference between govt use of the trident as a symbol and the churches use of the cross as a symbol The reverend who referenced the trident as a symbol of Satanism should do research which will show him a very deep seated correlation to the cross rooted in witchcraft and idolatry .

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  32. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 5:20 PM #

    AC…jeez…althiugh the cross is also crap…it is far removed from being a pitch fork, cant you tell the dufference, dont you use a fork to eat, picture the huge version to that table fork…then picture yourself walking around with it, bigger than ya garden fork.

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  33. millertheanunnaki December 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM #

    @ Jeff C:
    “It is with some hesitation that I make this last point however, since the broken trident in our flag is supposed to denote a political advance on our former status in those days when the entire trident was an integral part of our landmarks. And yet we have seen it fit to retain the epitome of Britannia in the personages of Her Majesty, her heirs and assigns as our Head of state in perpetuity. One may well ask, “Is the trident really broken?”..”

    Oh Jeff, exit, stage left, we are off to the moon!

    What are you trying to say here my dear man? Since you were totally floored by Bush Tea and his swastika analogy it appears you are a bit out of sorts.

    The mere fact that Bushie knows that the trident is also a well known motif in Sanskrit culture (the standard of the god Shiva in his eternal battle to fight evil (darkness) with the three-prong fork of good (light) must speak glowingly of the man’s metaphysical understanding.

    Are you implying that any move to full republic status must involve not only a total overhaul of the legal framework or super body (Constitution) but also ‘must’ require at minimum some tweaking or in some cases full replacement of the many symbols (including the flag)?

    Oh lord, what would the regiment and the office of GG (the new el presidente) do should such a calamity fall on ‘broke’ Barbados?

    The broken trident must be replaced and substituted by a symbol more appropriate to the struggles and aspirations of a secular nation having shed its colonial and Judeo-Christian past.

    What about a motif showing a beach bum dressed as a rasta man hustling two tourists on the beach and begging them for a little foreign money in exchange for rub down with aloe vera? The Worthing beach as it stands today would be the ideal setting for such a depiction of Barbados in 2016 and going forward.

    What sayest thou, oh descendant of the famous Cumberbatch clan whom Benedict would gladly like to meet?

    Hip hip hooray!!

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  34. ac December 4, 2016 at 5:40 PM #

    Whether the trident is a pitch fork or a garden fork i never heard it to be correlated to cult or devil worship
    i read where the pitch fork was a symbol of power

    The idea was carried over from the Ancient Greeks/Romans, with Poseien/Neptune’s trident, a three pronged fork, symbolising power over Earth, Sea and Sky. This matches with Satan being “prince of the world” in the bible and as a result the two are often correlated.

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  35. Jeff Cumberbatch December 4, 2016 at 5:56 PM #

    @Miller, my query is “Can we truly claimed to have broken the trident when we retain as the head of out independent state the epitome of Britannia?”

    Or ids it perhaps the broken trident is the realistic manifestation of our incongruent status whereby ewe are still under the trident to some extent although in terms of our judiciary and administration we have broken clear.

    And did you read my response to the woefully misplaced analogy of the swastika at 8:47am?

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  36. millertheanunnaki December 4, 2016 at 6:44 PM #

    @ Jeff Cumberbatch December 4, 2016 at 5:56 PM
    “And did you read my response to the woefully misplaced analogy of the swastika at 8:47am?”

    Yes, I did! And Bushie’s argument still stands firm (and well grounded in the earth of commonsense). The analogy to the innocent symbol of the swastika- a very old multicultural and religious sign for peace and good fortune- is worthy of debate.

    The same way Britain used the trident of Shiva (representing good over evil or similar battles waged by other gods, Poseidon or Neptune, in your more recent classical Greco-Roman indoctrination) to rule the waves and conquer and exploit simple people and lands the Nazis used a similar symbolic motif to rally the Germanic race in their blind folly of genocide.

    Barbadians generally claim, especially its clerical elite, to be a Christian nation. Why use pagan or non-Christian symbolism to define the aspirations and achievements of the nation?

    But then again, as you might have been indoctrinated accordingly, the Solar symbols are there ‘hidden’ in plain sight and at the heart of your Judeo-Christian culture.

    What about the symbolism incorporated in the statue of liberation (freedom) from slavery (aka Bussa)? Why not use that as the central theme in your new republic flag?

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  37. Hants December 4, 2016 at 6:56 PM #

    I thought the “trident” idea came from a fella who break one trying to spear sea cats.

    http://www.houseofscuba.com/product/acc725.html

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  38. Vincent Haynes December 4, 2016 at 7:13 PM #

    Miller

    A pox on all symbols…..chuckle……..this post is becoming quite confusing.

    Secular is best.

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  39. Dompey December 4, 2016 at 7:50 PM #

    Whether the trident is symbolic of heaven or hell, I don’t think the average Bajan gives two flying kicks. And Vincent Haynes you’re probaby correct in your articulation of the trident because to suggest that the trident is representative of some satanic symbol, is implicit of attributing or attaching some notion of depravity to it.

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  40. Bush Tea December 4, 2016 at 7:56 PM #

    We get it Vincent…
    If YOU can’t understand it, it has to be nonsense…. so you want us to stick with what YOU can grasp….
    BTW ….Was this not your position on a particular subject at school too….?

    Here is some breaking news for your elucidation…..

    From all indications, you are not the sharpest tool in the rum shop, Indeed, there are MANY, MANY, things which you will ALWAYS find confusing…. and which some others understand intimately. …It is just the way things are….

    You would probably find Add Maths a bit confusing too…..
    But trust Bushie, it makes perfect sense.

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  41. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 8:12 PM #

    http://ow.ly/hxwi306NNxx

    Yippee!!…a victory for the Native Americans and THEIR land.

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  42. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 8:17 PM #

    http://ow.ly/t4OO306NNGD

    Of course this lowlife would have all his stubby little fingers in stealing from the Native Americans.

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  43. Well Well & Consequences December 4, 2016 at 8:22 PM #

    These types of wicked and unfair practices against others should act as a guide and energize bajans to stop sitting back and allowing themselves to be yoked, look how many centuries these Native Americans have been fighting off evil perpetrated against their ancestors, against their lands and themselves…but they never, ever stop fighting off tge evil from one generation to the next.

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  44. Dompey December 4, 2016 at 8:33 PM #

    Well Well

    The Native Americans kept on fighting from generation to generation but to no avail because the white man still has the most fertile of lands, and the Native Americans have been pushed far into the Dakotas.

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  45. Dompey December 4, 2016 at 8:44 PM #

    Well Well

    When you get a chance read the Indian Removal Act signed my President Andew Jackson in 1860s. And the Chinese Exclusion Act, as well as the Japanese Internment Camps instituted by FDR by Executive Order; and the One Drop Law; the Indian Quantum Blood Law etc.

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  46. Dompey December 4, 2016 at 8:47 PM #

    Well Well

    This bite size piece of heaven called America has a lot blood on her hands with respect to her minority population.

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  47. Well Well & Consequences December 5, 2016 at 6:25 AM #

    Thanks Dompey.

    Andrew Jackson was your presudent…1860, happy to have ya back.

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  48. Pachamama December 5, 2016 at 6:55 AM #

    @ Hopi

    Merely your own monitor here represents the kind of forces Bushes likes to reference as essential to everything else.

    Certainly if you’re ‘Black’, spirituality or symbolism is part of your very being.

    The best known story about the Hopi peoples lies within a mythology that we are living through right now.

    If you can agree with us thus far, would it not be unwise to presuppose that all ‘spiritual’ forces are not positive, as the Hopi themselves admit?

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  49. Vincent Haynes December 5, 2016 at 11:07 AM #

    http://dailym.ai/2gGNrJS

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  50. Vincent Haynes December 5, 2016 at 11:08 AM #

    Bushie

    Chuckle………Believe it or not I passed Add Maths with flying colours thanks to a very intelligent tutor.

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  51. Well Well & Consequences December 5, 2016 at 11:39 AM #

    Those thieving animals would always want to blame Obama for doing the right thing, their ancestors were thieves, they are thieves, their descendants for generations to come will be thieves….the curse of thievery is deeply encoded in their DNA.

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  52. Well Well & Consequences December 5, 2016 at 6:09 PM #

    A personal thank you letter from the Sioux Indian Tribe to those worldwide who was strong enough to stand for something and stand with them.

    “Yesterday we were notified that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will not grant the easement to cross Lake Oahe for the Dakota Access pipeline. Instead, they will prepare an Environmental Impact Statement regarding alternative routes for the pipeline. This action strongly vindicates what the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has been saying all along – that we all have a responsibility to protect our waters for future generations.

    This is an historic moment. For centuries, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, and tribes across the country, have faced fundamental injustice at the hands of the federal government – which time and again took our lands and tried to destroy our way of life. Our Treaties and our human rights were ignored, our interests in protecting lands and waters were considered unimportant, and our voices were not heard.

    It was this shared history that led Tribes to come together as never before to seek the protection of our waters against the threat of the Dakota Access pipeline. With peace and prayer, indigenous people from hundreds of Tribes said: our future is too important. We can no longer be ignored. The goal was to protect these sacred waters, and to do so in the name of our children.

    And, with yesterday’s decision, it is clear that our voices have at long last been heard.

    Yesterday’s decision demonstrates that, despite all the challenges that Tribes face and all of the terrible wrongs the federal government has committed in dealing with us over the years, justice for Indian people still remains possible. My thanks to the Obama Administration, and particularly to Assistant Secretary Darcy, for upholding the law and doing the right thing.

    Yesterday’s decision belongs in large measure to the thousands of courageous people who put their lives on hold to stand with Standing Rock in support of a basic principle — that water is life. At Standing Rock, our youth played an important role in spreading our message and I am so proud of what they have been able to accomplish.

    But Standing Rock could not have come this far alone. Hundreds of tribes came together in a display of tribal unity not seen in hundreds of years. And many thousands of indigenous people from around the world have prayed with us and made us stronger. I am grateful to each of you. And, as we turn a page with yesterday’s decision, I look forward to working with many of you as you return to your home communities to protect your lands and waters, and the sovereignty of your tribes.

    My thanks to all of our allies, here and around the world, each of whom contributed to this effort. I want to give a special mention to the veterans who have come to Standing Rock in recent days. I am sure that the strength of your message in support of Standing Rock, and the rights of the Water Protectors, had a powerful impact as the Army made its decision. I appreciate all you have done.

    While today is a great day, there is still much that needs to be done to protect Tribal rights and ensure justice for indigenous people everywhere. Using peace and prayer as our guideposts, and with the teachings of our elders and with inspiration from our youth, I believe there is much we can accomplish for the future.”

    Sincerely,
    Dave Archambault, II, Chairman
    Standing Rock Sioux Tribe

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  53. Alvin Cummins December 7, 2016 at 8:56 AM #

    Pacha;
    At the time of Independence, (the Act gave us Independence) there was a National Competition; open to all persons, to design a National Flag, compose an anthem, design a Coat of ARMS, AND COMPOSE A NATIONAL PLEDGE. A COMMITTEE CHOSE THE ONES WE HAVE FROM THOUSANDS OF ENTRIES SUBMITTED FOR EACH OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED CATEGORIES. ONE OUR OLDEST STAMPS CARRIES AN image of “Britannia riding the waves, seated in a chariot and holding a Trident (unbroken) in one of her hands, and a shield (with the imprimatur of the British flag, in the other. of St in the other. This was the world we lived in before the Independence order of 1966. “The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on; nor all thy wit nor party can move it back to cancel half a line…”(The Rubaiyat of Omar Khyyam).

    Well Well,
    In this contribution from you: The think you ; “This is an historic moment. For centuries, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, and tribes across the country, have faced fundamental injustice at the hands of the federal government – which time and again took our lands and tried to destroy our way of life. Our Treaties and our human rights were ignored, our interests in protecting lands and waters were considered unimportant, and our voices were not heard.”

    I stand in solidarity with the Sioux and those who fought this fight. For years I have been agonizing over the Genocide the white man has visited on the thousands of Indigenous peoples of the United States. I have felt deeply the wrongs perpetrated against them, and chronicled in such books as Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, and the Trail of Tears; which I have previously recommended to readers of BU. At last the world is taking notice of these wrongs. But the People of the United States have still ignored the rights of the Indians and the wrongs committed against them, nor have they apologized for these years of injustice. This year another Presidential election took place, and nowhere has there been mention of any role to be played by any Indian in the discussions of this election. Have you seen any Indian brought into any discussion of their future in the governance of the country forcibly taken from them, on any media forum? When will this be changed?
    Dompey: Add to your booklist, a copy of the Doctrine of Manifest Destiny.
    And people SHOULD indeed give “two flying kicks”, Symbols and symbolism are part of life and living, and should be part of daily living in n “Independent” country. Good, Bad, Or Indifferent, it is OURS, and must be respected; even if some mY NOT AGREE WITH IT.
    Jeff, pay no attention to Miller”the anananuki.” consider where he came from.

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  54. Pachamama December 7, 2016 at 3:19 PM #

    Alvin Cummings

    Ageism gives you no right to presume to have some unknown historical process to tell us about.

    You are in no such position. And even if you were we’ll reject you, and your compliant mentality.

    Is this idea not possible?

    Could it not be possible for there to be a competition, as cover, for people who are engaged in the world of ‘secrets’ to determine which national symbols we choose? Be not naive!

    Do you not know that the British for hundreds of years used lodges as a central part of their intelligence networks that supported empire?

    And if the recent histories show that the CIA, and not Errol Barrow nor anybody else, was the real force behind the preponderance of independence declarations, why is it not possible that those patsies, lodge men, could have created the nonsense of a set of competitions to impose their lodge symbologies?

    Competitions what? Do you really think your lodge boys will leave something like this to chance? If so, then you have to answer why at least 2 of the 3 symbols were ‘designed’ or ‘written’ by lodge men?

    You seem to be yourself a lodge man.

    Stop interfering with us unless yuh want us to start telling yuh brassbowl lodge secrets right here on BU.

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  55. Alvin Cummins December 8, 2016 at 12:45 AM #

    Pacha,
    Because in those days the conspiracy theories you concoct did not have bearing on the day to day lives of us poor people. We were too concerned with getting our daily bread, and seeking an education, than to be party to such machinations. In those days the “lodges” were not consumed with indoctrinating us, because they were not party to any Independence movements. They were too opposed to us becoming independent, so that they could maintain the control they already had. Contrary to your opinion, it is precisely because of my age that I can tell you about the history of the country. Not having lived it you have to be taught by people like me, because WE have lived it.I am not a lodge man; never was, never will be, but I am aware of the focus, function, and machinations of lodges and lodge persons. All the persons who fomented the American revolution, were Lodge men. Read their histories and biographies. Read up on the Illuminata, and understand the world and how it is manipulated. You do need to be taught.

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  56. Zoe December 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM #

    ◄ Deuteronomy 7:26 ►
    “Neither shall you bring an abomination into your house, lest you be a cursed thing like it: but you shall utterly detest it, and you shall utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.”

    Could this prohibition likely apply also to the ‘Trident’ broken or otherwise? After all, it is a Pagan symbol, which carries with it certain curses!

    It is EITHER/OR, but most certainly NOT Both/And!

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  57. lemuel December 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM #

    Do not stop Alvin. That is why they have to speak in plurality. Take their brains and put them inside the head of a rat, that rat would walk straight into the cat’s mouth!!!

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  58. ac December 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM #

    So is the cross a pagan symbol which carried with it demonic forces now shrouded in spirutality and is a recogonizable and acceptable symbol in Christainity.

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  59. Vincent Haynes December 8, 2016 at 1:56 PM #

    A very beneficial sign……

    Neptune is the eighth furthest planet from the sun in our solar system, the fourth largest in diameter and the third most massive. The planet is named after the Roman God of the Sea, Neptune.

    Neptune was discovered in 1848 and is considered a “new” planet by astrologers as obviously, prior to its discovery it was not used in astrological calculations. Therefore, opinion on how Neptune affects a chart may vary from one astrologer to the next and some do not take Neptune into account at all.

    Neptune rules the imagination, dreams and visions and their expression through art, dance, music, poetry, etc. In a personal chart, Neptune can point to areas where a person may have problems seeing through illusion as well as where someone will find their best creative expression. Those who have a strong Neptune influence may have a spiritual calling or be drawn toward mysticism.

    Neptune takes about 14 years to complete its journey through any one sign and is thus considered a “generational planet”, exerting its force on an entire generation. Since Neptune rules imagination and its expression, the fashionable movies, music, art, etc. of a generation can be influenced by what sign Neptune is in. Neptune also affects a generations idealist attitudes and points to areas where a generation will find dissatisfaction with the status quo.

    Neptune – Witchipedia
    http://www.witchipedia.com/planet:neptune
    The online encyclopedia of Witchcraft, Paganism and the occult. Create account … The planet is named after the Roman God of the Sea, Neptune. Neptune was …

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  60. millertheanunnaki December 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM #

    @ ac December 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM
    “So is the cross a pagan symbol which carried with it demonic forces now shrouded in spirutality and is a recogonizable and acceptable symbol in Christainity.”

    Ac, that is the most intelligently profound comment you have ever made on BU. Keep it up and you might just shed your yard-fowl feathers and be ordained into the hallowed halls of the intelligentsia. Even Bush Tea would be the doorman to welcome your arrival.

    But you beat me to it. I was responding to one of your “other kind” of posts, the regular diet of bland stupidity.

    Poor Zoe and most likely Lemuel, his old choir boy, are so blindly ignorant about the history of Christianity that they fail to see that Jesus their dear friend and saviour was crucified on a symbol of paganism called the Tau.

    Even his birth is a pagan festival when the Sun in all its majesty is born again in the eyes of Northern man.

    Christianity is nothing more than paganism outfitted in new solar robes to recognize its dominant presence in the constellation of Pisces, the Age of the Fish so esoterically represented in Jesus being aptly referred to as the fisher of men and assertively depicted in the Pope’s mitre the very embodiment of St. Peter the Fisherman and Dagon the pagan fish-god Dagon of the Babylonians .

    It’s a pity that fools like Zoe have been told (much against the wishes of the man who died on the Tau (Mother Earth) that “On this rock I shall build my Church”:

    “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
    And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.”

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  61. ac December 8, 2016 at 6:58 PM #

    However Miller Zoe will respond by saying that the Cross was washed with the blood of the lamb by the blood of Jesus Christ and no longer has the plague of demoic forces and controlled over the lives of name . Jesus death and crucifixion on the cross was a symbolic form of restoration giving new life to man for redemption an authoritive control over any demonic forces

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  62. Zoe December 9, 2016 at 10:52 AM #

    It’s a pity that fools like Zoe have been told (much against the wishes of the man who died on the Tau (Mother Earth) that “On this rock I shall build my Church”:

    “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
    And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.”

    Miller- Chimp, If you could only know and understand, the above quoted verses from Matthew 16: 13-20, and the true ‘Spiritual’ significance of what transpired from that time and on-wards to this very day; BUT, Naki-Naki, you continue in your folly of foolishness, “…and their foolish hearts were DARKENED, Professing to be wise, they became FOOLS.” (Rom. 1: 21b, 22).

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  63. millertheanunnaki December 9, 2016 at 11:56 AM #

    @ Zoe December 9, 2016 at 10:52 AM
    “Unlike you Zoe, I know and understand through science- a branch of knowledge you despise with religious zealotry- that human beings share 98%, or thereabout, genetic congruence with chimps. If you want to be a god and award me the additional 2 %, so be it.”

    Since you were the scribe present at the meeting taking copious notes of the discussions Jesus had with his disciples you then must be the one who went contrary to what Jesus instructed. That is, not to reveal to any man other than those initiated that he was the son of god and not of man and “that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ”.
    Were you the Judas that betrayed your Saviour by calling him Jesus the Christ right before the Sanhedrin?

    Tell us Zoe, tell the BU spiritual idiots what Jesus really meant which he wanted kept as a spiritual secret hidden from the understanding of ‘other men’ (not women) and chimps?
    Maybe the keys he gave to Simon Peter are the same two keys that hierophant of the Christian religion carries as proof of his authority from Heaven and as of Jesus’s representative on Earth.

    Now you have learnt a little something don’t let it go to your head and prove the old Bajan saying to be true: ‘A little learning can be a dangerous thing’.

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  64. Vincent Haynes December 9, 2016 at 3:26 PM #

    Zoe

    Wait a minute was this virgin birth story plagiarised or does it happen everso often?

    Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. – Richard Carrier
    1-dot
    Richard Carrier · Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan, Guys. Get Over It.

    http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11161

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  65. Zoe December 9, 2016 at 4:05 PM #

    @ Naki-Chimp,

    #sciencefact: Humans share approximately 98% of their DNA with chimps, 70% with slugs, and 50% with bananas! http://bit.ly/qsWX8p

    Naki-Chimp, I now know where your sliminess and slipperyness comes from! You are one slimy, slippery, Chimpanze!!

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  66. Zoe December 9, 2016 at 4:40 PM #

    @Naki-Chimp-Miller,

    Can you understand the following, or, is your Chimp-Brain too Slippery and Slimy to grasp and hold such truth concerning Jesus, the Christ, at that point in time?

    Bengel’s Gnomen
    Matthew 16:20. Μηδενὶ, to no one) Jesus had not, even to His apostles, said that He was the Christ, but He left it that they might discover it themselves from the testimony of facts.

    It was not suitable, therefore, that that should be openly told by the apostles to others before His resurrection, which was to corroborate the whole testimony to the fact of His being the Christ.[753]

    For he who injudiciously propounds a mystery to those who do not comprehend it, injures both himself and others. Had they done so, those who believed in any way that Jesus was the Christ might have sought for an earthly kingdom with seditious uproar; whilst the rest, and by far the greater number, might have rejected such a Messiah at that time more vehemently, and have been guilty of greater sin in crucifying Him, so as to have had the door of repentance less open to them for the future.

    Afterwards,[754] the apostles openly bore witness to this truth.—ὁ Χριστὸς, the Christ) Soon after the disciples had acknowledged and confessed that Jesus was the Christ, He exhibited to them His transfiguration (ch. Matthew 17:1-5), and openly spoke of Himself among them as the Christ; see Mark 9:41, and John 17:3.

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  67. Vincent Haynes December 13, 2016 at 9:48 AM #

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  68. Vincent Haynes December 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM #

    I wonder if this is Zoes ministry??
    Of note that Barbadian churches to a large extent are part of this movement….nuff said

    In the history of the church, there have always been fringe groups characterized by superstition, private revelations and an emphasis on experience, rather than on Scripture. These range from the Gnostics in biblical times, to the Quakers in the 1600s, and now in our day the Charismatic Movement. But what distinguishes the Charismatic Movement from those others in history, is that it has spread and now a large portion of the professing church identifies as such. This topic is so very important, particularly because Barbadian churches to a large extent are part of this movement.

    Understandably this article maybe met with some apprehension. But we at Truth and Love implore our brothers and sisters to equip themselves with this knowledge. We hope that this would spark in you an even greater desire to know the history of Christ’s church, and gain better discernment of truth from error.

    Truth and Love!
    https://truthloveministries.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/three-waves-of-the-charismatic-movement/

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