Christ Church West Going South
Dr. Jerome Walcott, General Secretary
There is the popular cliché – you should never let a good crisis go to waste. When leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley was forced to withdraw from running for the Chairmanship of the Barbados Labour Party (BLP) in 2011,
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she was bold to say then that her political party needed to democratize the process of selecting delegates – see Mia Mottley Accuses The Barbados Labour Party Of Reducing The Rights Of Women And Young People And Announces Her Withdrawal From the Race To Contest Chairmanship. Mia Mottley was again installed as the leader of the Opposition in 2013, and presumably control of the BLP, yet Barbadians have seen no inclination by her that she intends to usher in reform by amending the BLP constitution to reflect her views during the pre 2011 period.
Barbadians understand that in the current landscape a strong BLP, therefore a strong Opposition, is important to championing the cause of democracy under our system of government. We suffered through the Thompson/Mascoll conflict and appreciate how political party conflict has the potential to unsettled the country. Unlike many BU is not caught up (to use Bishop Wilfred’s words) in BLP or DLP rhetoric. BU subscribes to the view that in the same way the best performing organizations map strategy and execute to maintain competitiveness in response to the environment in which it operates, so too a country has to constantly modify how it wants to be governed given the changing landscape. We currently rely on a political system that is responsible for foisting candidates on the people for selection. There is enough evidence to show that it is a system easy to manipulate by those with agendas which often run counter to those of the PEOPLE. We need to make it better.
The unfolding conflict in the Christ Church West constituency which sees elected candidate Dr. Maria Agard pitted against her Executive and Party is interesting. It is obvious Agard is not highly regarded by Mottley and there is an orchestrated effort to deselect Agard from running in the next general election. It is obvious to BU she has not performed any worse than other candidates on the BLP side.
Why does Mottley want to jettison Agard? Why is Dr. Agard not being defended by others in the party? Are they waiting for the right moment to give Mottley the boot, again?
Several BU sources have confirmed at a recently held BLP Executive meeting Dr. Agard was given instructions to avoid issuing statements to the media. We will have to wait to see if she complies with the gag order. What is evident if we listen to pollster Peter Wickham and others who have unrestricted access to the media space, there is an orchestrated attempt to trivialize Agard’s concerns. How the hell does Wickham know Jerome Walcott’s political future unless he has intimate knowledge? His agenda was exposed by Bishop Wilfred Wood who took him to task on talk radio this week. Another source advised BU that Nation newspaper political columnist and Sunday Sun Editor Albert Brandford and Carol Martindale will publish a feature in tomorrow’s Sunday Sun to show Walcott is the preferred candidate for the Christ Church West (we wait to read tomorrow’s issue to confirm). We hope we are wrong because if true it will confirm what we already know.
One of the distinguishing features of a leader of men and women is the ability to get them to share in your vision. If differences exist an effective leader will find a practical way to resolve in the best interest of the whole. Ever since Mia Mottley assumed the leadership of the BLP it has become a fractious affair. Barbadians deserve to know what Mottley has against Agard in much the same way we deserve to know what Arthur has against Mia. The feeble mutterings by her acolytes that Agard has not performed as member of Christ Church West is bullshit.
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Barbados Underground 
Agard in the wrong camp she dont know her blood line. The BLP rob her family blood line of the land . Mia cant take the heat of her sight and the guilt of her and Owen crimes against the state .
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Agard still holds strong to Owen ideals as many Bajans do, it is also a contention among many Bees about Mia’s chossel preference but what roes her being gay have to do with administrative acumen? Mia should pull stumps and form new entity with Adriel and Donville as she intended – ask Douglas Trotman, he was also to be a part of it!
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There is no need for any serious analysis by any one of the upheavals taking place oft times in these intellectually and politically backward, bankrupt and discredited DLP and BLP factions of Barbados.
For these upheavals point to the fact that these two jack o lantern political organizations are totally irrelevant to helping ensure that the fundamental social, political, material and financial needs of the various individuals and components making up the various sectors of this country are looked after.
Moreover, by being consumed – ever so often – by the effects of their own convulsions, does show that they are extremely sick and are in the last stages of their existence.
It is primarily left now to the broad masses and middle classes of people of this country to ABSOLUTELY PERMANENTLY remove – as soon as possible – these disgraceful, disgusting jack o lantern factions from the political landscape of our country.
PDC
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“Ever since Mia Mottley assumed the leadership of the BLP it has become a fractious affair. ”
Well TRUE that! and seems to be getting worse just a matter of time before she is giving her Death Certificate from the party members.
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Thunda
It is abroad that they held a meeting behind closed gates down St James where Mia father own a beach house,somewhere near St Alban in Carlton.The man tell me that the land which the house on belong to the Diocesan Trustees of the Anglican Church and Ellyut Mottley,like Ernest before him,sits on the Trustees board and the Diocese don’t get a cent in rent money for the land.Deals,deals and more deals and all coming to nought.
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The leader of Her Majesty’s Legal Loyal Lawful Opposition is in deep doo doo, and by extension so too is our Barbados. All the way back in 2007 the rift that existed in the BLP deteriorated into a monstrous chasm, bridged by political expediency so as to accommodate the race of 2008. Its now almost 2016 and just like the government in charge, the government in waiting is in tatters. Its leader tells the Nation that there is no problem. Her unofficial spokesperson Peter Wickham confirmed the same. What neither one will say is this. Even if you are able to displace the goodly dentist, how do you deal with the shifty LORD INCHIQUIN? Cat piss and nigger pepper await you Mia when it comes time to confront St James Central. Your party wins the next general election…….do you go to the Governor General and say that you command the support of the elected bunch? You know better than anybody else that Maria is not nearly as big an Arthur Acolyte as Kerry. Nor is she as dangerous. Like it or not you have to cut LORD INCHIQUIN off at the knees. Bim in deep shit fa real.
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OH shit Mia… I almost forgot: our friend with the half a bald head RONNIE TOPPS, Lilliputian Lucifer de anointed saint of St Andrew, and then your boy that swore to remind you and the Mottley family that ” payback is a bitch ”…… Dale Marshall. The story is that a well known agent of yours told a gathering in Horse HILL that Mr Marshall didn’t have the common sense of a mule, or words to that effect. The plan is to show you that a mule is not necessarily a fool. They planned to humble you in ways you could not begin to imagine.
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Hamilton Hill
After Mia deals with Miss Puffy from Christ Church West many of the other idiots will fall into line. Despite that some might hate Mia, the fact is they want to win a general election more. Mia is more popular than her party so he does not have to check herself, he has a bit of leeway to drag them along even if a few heads get lopped off along the way.
Maria ‘I AM BORING’ Agard is a terrible politician, immature and nieve to the extreme. She is a perfect candidate/opportunity for the Mia to flex her authority and popularity.
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Well Dr. Agard has already indicated that she will cross the floor if necessary and sit with Owen.
So Mia can go back to Can – cun…..with her women folk……but Dr. Agard..
.won’t be following!
Ha..ha…..look how the wicked Bees have….imploded !!¡!
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Peter Wickham, for some reason best known to him, has been going out his way to downplay this issue. He said on Brasstacks this ‘small’ internal party struggle is healthy for the party and healthy for democracy. Looking back however, the Thompson/Mascoll & Thompson/Kellman rifts wasnt seen as healthy for nobody, party nor country, and the public, rightly so, kept the DLP in the political doldrums for nearly 15 years. I do think whatever the outcome is, the BLP will retain Ch Ch West in 2018. Will the Mia overthrowers act again and take power away from her before the bell is rung? That remains to be seen as well.
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@Kevin
Do you recall what he had to say about the Mascoll Thompson conflict?
On 11 October 2015 at 17:37, Barbados Underground wrote:
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It is clear that this situation is a proverbial thorn in the flesh of this party,as i have previously stated the efforts to unfair this young lady seems to have no abate,Peter Wickham has long lost his credibility, the two poll man,he knows quite well why he is supporting Mottley’s actions as much as he tries to down play this matter, we all know he is talking pure bull.It was recently reported that one Marsha Layne-Hinds has also been the brunt of a BLP attack for her interest in the north west constituency, she received a rude awakening and probably now realizes how silly she has been in believing that the Bees would really embrace her, just another pawn and mouthpiece in the game of politics.Miss Agard do not back down i strongly believe that if you play your cards correctly this will be another situation that will cause the other party members to take stock and decide whether it is time for another coup,as i have stated before there is no need to pander to anyone the people in that constituency elected you.Stand fast.
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Not a bit concerned about what’s going on in Christ Church West. I ain’t had no water for several day now. I had to bathe with three pep bottles of water. when I go to the supermarket another headache. Half the things in the trolley I return to the shelves. All other persons in my household have been sent home. These are my concerns.
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@ David, No, I do not remember what he specifically said about that conflict. But what I do remember, especially in the print media and call-in programs, is that the DLP is not ready, the DLP is not together, and on & on & on…….. I agreed with them btw.
@ Caine, I actually like Hinds-Layne from the days of when she was a moderator at Brasstacks. I always wondered why Ellis gave her the ‘boot’. Then I found out she was in the bosom of the DLP. Then she switched and is now in the bosom of the BLP. I found it quite surprising the hostility she is receiving by the BLP in SMNW. Has the politics of inclusion in the BLP gone with Authur?
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@David
“Agard is now having difficulty with her third executive. It’s known that as early as 2012, Arthur went to Bonnetts Resource Centre to ask her to “make peace” prior to the general election.” Albert Branford
Do people vote personality, party or both?
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@enuff
People vote party mainly with personality second.
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Kevin Ellis gave Hinds the boot for being disrespectful to senator Maxine Mcclean one day on the call in program ,at least that is what i heard,i actually heard the discourse that particular day and i too thought it was disrespectful, however she was off of the program from that day,and i guess she has a beef with Ellis because one day i think she came on to make a point with WICKHAM OR JOHNSON, and ELLIS ,came on to give some clarity on the issue as he felt she was some what creating the wrong impression and she immediately exited the call, telling the then moderator she was not going to stay and would speak to him on another occasion when he was hosting the show obviously without Ellis’s interference.
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IS today Ryan Straughan’s day? i am in receipt of certain information that there will be cat piss and pepper up there too.
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Caine
I recall that incident with Hinds and I think it was in either August or October ’13.I didn’t get the gist of the discussion as I came in on the end of it,but I was of the impression that she was anti D and pro B.It’s now that I can connect some dots.
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@enuff
We doublechecked this statement and BU is not sure Bradford the political guru at the Nation is correct.
Agard was nominated in 2010 and an executive was elected thereafter who worked with her until 2013 general election, agreed? The only change was when the president of the executive died.
The problem for Agard began after the 2013 election likely led by Herbie Yearwood of the old brigade. That makes two executives by our arithmetic, agreed?
Arthur went to Bonnets to beg the crew to give Agard a chance. Agard getting over Ian Bishop did not make her popular.
Don’t swallow the coolaid Wickham is feeding you!
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@ Count Of Charolais. ..ask yourself this question. What good is it that she is more popular than her party, if she does not command the support of the other elected members? Wasn’t she more popular when they replaced her back then?
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I tell all who would listen Wickham and Ellis in the public relations business.According to Wickham what they are doing for a living,he and Ellis, is a form of prostitution.
In short anybody like he and Ellis who selling a public relations service are prostituting themselves and it is very unfortunate that they both have the airwaves to subtly test their soiled opinions on some unsuspecting people.If you know you are dealing with a double agent,he/she will be the first to be put down in an insurrection simply because neither side trust them to be honest.Take what Wickham and Ellis tell you with a pinch ‘o salt.Dennis is straight forward.Give him a hearing and the benefit of the doubt.Nefertari was the same and Ellis sell his soul for a mess ‘o pottage to keep Nefertari off VOB.A little too close to home for the DLP.She hard too much and knew too much and was too credible for his poor rakey government,so Ellis had to take away the microphone like when Harold tek it way from de odder Harold on the first Sunday in every month.People liked the music wid Fletcher parading on de organ and the choir ‘ singing purty fo’ days but when Harold went in de pulpit it was low blows and more low blows for the Dems in ’87 and the order come from on high.It will not be a repeat of ’76 with Harold and his Mene,Mene.Gordon tell de dipper,man tek way dem licence man.And Harold de printer/writer dat did own de radio,tek de hint and tek way de mike.
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Notice all the BLP die hards refuse to visit this page as if a contagions disease like the bubonic plague is in effect
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Peter Wickham is developing into a mighty strange character these days.Isn’t Cadres giving him a comfortable enough lifestyle?The lone pollster who has good insight and information for the public and he turns to cheerleading.Like the old people were right, rat tongue sell he head.
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ac
Deal with Cahill scandal! Your house is on fire, why dont you store up some water as when the implosion starts in George Street, the BWA taps will be dry and the old house will be burnt to the ground.
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Prodigal are you Tony Webster the jackass who writes a gazillion comments to the editor in online Barbados Today and Nation. Your missives are biased to the BLP for you the Dems never made a contribution to the socio economic landscape. The Tony Webster jackass goes further than you for him everything Barbadian is the worst. His posts are such foul garbage the Cahill plant would reject them. His cynicism and mean spirited foolishness should be banned from cyber space.
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This story about Maria Agard have three executives resign under her is an outright lie. I am shocked that even journalist who should know better and do their own research should be repeating this nonsense. Maria Agard had one executive from the time she was nominated in 2010 until the election in 2013. Her president died but that was the only change. Since the election she has had only one other executive. That is two executives in five years. These liars are getting desperate. The lies are getting more outrageous by the day.
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Prodigal what house is on fire? are u out of your mind.The leaks and more leaks none of which has broken the resolute of this govt and split and divided the party
Mia motley on the other hand had the luxury and affordability of time to galvanized and create an environment of cohesiveness within her party but has opted to create division and friction a formula which she has used without much effect to divide the country
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I have given up listening to Wickham because his major agenda seemed to be a ‘gay rights’ agenda. He seems so obsessed with it that is possible that he would back anybody whom he believes would push that agenda.
As for this BLP mess, it is par for the course. I gave up bothering about these things when I saw what Thompson did to Mascoll. Who cares what politicians do to each other?
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Donna go to the top of the class on Petra oops i mean Peter wickham,you have gained full marks,as i have stated his agenda is all bull,he has lost his vision and cannot be trusted only last week on the call in program he stated to a caller that in as much as he loves to to hear people cuss the Dems,he could not totally agree with the caller’s point, so much for Ellis’s fair and balanced discussion, and then his comments that the county clerk in the USA, should rot in jail for her stance, being a christian, refusing to issue same sex marriage licenses, the only rights that are to be observed for him is gay rights.Christians do not have rights as a matter of fact the only rights that seem important are these gay rights.It even more amazing to me that Muslims Abhor homosexual behaviors and even put these people to death and for some reason these gay lobbyist are very afraid to seriously tackle that particular religion on their stance but Christians seem to be fair game for them. Can someone please tell me why?
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Another foolish distraction.Year after year nonsense in these two political waste of time parties.Idiots we have masquerading as serious politicians.
This country is in a precarious position economically,financially,morally socially and otherwise,yet instead of finding strategies to deal with these issues,we have a bunch of juveniles excusing themselves as politicians doing nonsense.
We have an idiot for an Attorney General talking scrap and more scrap each time he opens his mouth to discuss any issue.A very foolish man.We have a Prime Minister who is extremely contemptuous,insulting,insensitive and who does not give a damn.We have a speaker of our House of Assembly whose honesty is questionable.We have a government in crisis. Our physical infrastructure such as our roads as well as our housing stock are in dire straits. Many areas in Barbados do not have access to water on a daily basis. Education and health are suffering from malaise.These are some of the issues that any serious alternative government ought to be addressing not getting bog down in trivia.
If the Barbados Labour Party does not want Maria Agard as the candidate for the constituency in the next general election say so and then make the alternative selection. Put the ball in Maria Agard court.She can then decide if to cross the floor and join the Democratic Labour Party,or sit as an independent like Owen Arthur or finish out her term as a member of the opposition.
Barbados is at the cross road and we need leaders who will take bold and decisive action when require.
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@David
Thanks for the additional info.
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David
As I recall Herbie supported Ian Bishop to succeed Dr Duguid and Maria does not seem to have buried the hatchet.All have moved on, however Maria is wearing baggage of 2012 made worse by the recent election a chair who does not meet her approval.Bruising and robust language expertly used by the gladiatrix is causing concern in the riding.
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@Donna October 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM “I gave up bothering about these things when I saw what Thompson did to Mascoll. ”
Agreed.
I haven’t voted for the DLP since David Thompson’s devious, nasty campaign against Clyde Mascoll. And the dead David wan not the only [ir]responsible party. The DLP executive and the DLP rank and file must take some of the blame.
They DLP got exactly what it deserved.
A dead, dead, dead David.
Da fah lick yuh!!!
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@Gabriel
You have read George Payne’s comment on this matter in today’s Nation newspaper?
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Also Payne made it clear that the trouble makers should resign . does that include the leader. Nuff heads gonna roll when the smoke is clear
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ac
is that like Estwick’s claim that DLP is to blame for the economic woes of Barbados?
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Amen, Negroman! Amen!
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David
Maria Agard is her own worse enemy.She should stop pretending she is all so innocent and its her perceived enemies that want to push her out.Nothing is further from the truth.She fails to observe the rules of the party and has failed to enhance her image in the constituency,hence the effort to give the public her side of the story.This gladiatrix speaks of war and in the language of a bajan patsy.No sweet bread..
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@ Gabriel
This gladiatrix speaks of war and in the language of a bajan patsy
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She sounds like a potential party leader and PM yuh!! …under the current mafia system that we have …. 🙂
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Bushie
You know she en no sweetbread.Born and bred in kyar’ntun village yuh!
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@ Willie are you coupling the two statements that of Estwick and Payne as a “truth “? if so be careful with your stone throwing it might be possible you are not a very good fast bowler .
In any case to the extent where Estwick statement could have caused any damage or division in the party such an “happening” was aborted or dissolve in a timely fashion through the good leadership of PM Stuart
On the other hand Mia has had all kinds of internal rumblings for the past six and a half years none of which she was able to dilute in a peaceful manner in avoidance of fractions or division within the party.
Also many of which has spilled on to the public arena with questions being asked about her leadership ability and her incapacity to control her ministers
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Normal people are blocked from the comments section of Barbados Today and the Nation not so with the scumbag Tony Webster who gets carte blanche to insult the country and its citizens. The scumbag is at it again bad mouthing the water tanks for communities with water shortages in the rural areas.
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do not pay TW no mind he or she is a fart hole next time ask the idiot what solutions they proposed and the answer would be None. i bet that is a BLP supporter who falls under the banner of “misery loves company” now finding another release valve to avoid watching the implosion of the BLP party under the leadership of Mia Mottley,
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I think if you ac’s took the time to read the views of bloggers you would know that Webster identified himself when he said he worked in the banking field and that he attended GBSS.I have no idea whether politics influences his typically straightforward no holes barred commentary,but if he gets you ac’s riled,he is on the right track.
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@Gabriel October 14, 2015 at 8:43 AM #
[he worked in the banking field and that he attended GBSS]
What is GBSS ? Glendairy Boys School for the Stupid!
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Next Tuesday would give Mia another bit at the apple as she tries to demonstrate her leadership ability exposing what is perceived to be “Cahillgate”
It would be mostly of interest if pressured comes to “bear” as to what she knows about the leaked documents
I do belive however herbshow of “force” would be that of a dog and pony show
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First we had George Payne, now Ronald Toppin come out for Agard and anti Executive. Dale Marshall preferred to sit on the fence.
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Dale Marshall prefers to sit on the fence
Actions speak louder than words. Everybody knows that his allegiance to Mia is circumspect
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Jimmy Serrao and George Payne backed Dr Agard in the run off with Ian Bishop.It is no wonder therefore that George is spinning that Maria getting a raw deal from the present executive.In reality Maria is ‘own way’ and don’t want to attend important executive meetings,would not identify with the marketing outreach programmes suggested by the executive ,pretending to be unwell,abuse party supporters who have the best interest of the party when advising her,writes nastiness when confronted by members and is challenging sections of the community in their hitherto unwavering support for the BLP.Roebuck is clearly hoping that common sense will prevail and that Maria would see the bigger picture,which is that only the DLP can gain from all the bickering,not helped by the mouthing so of Payne,Toppin nor Callender.
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Dompey the JA is now blogging as dodds…
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…mouthings of……
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Why is it that everything Mia touch turns to sawdust. God help all if she becomes PM
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ac October 13, 2015 at 5:01 PM #
AC, I believe the consortium should consult with each other, discuss what you are going to write on the subject, gather your facts in an effort to avoid being open to scrutiny and then articulate your points. Instead you come with a lot of “willy nilly” shiite passing it off as intellectual political discourse.
The “internal rumblings” within the BLP “for the past six and a half years” you refer to, are not unique to that party. Surely you must admit that, presently, there are “internal rumblings” within the DLP as well. They had the situation with the “eager 11,” the constant out-bursts from Estwick, Donville Inniss often contradictory statements, the circumstances surrounding why Ronald Jones was replaced by Richard Sealy as acting PM when the occasion arises; Kellman and the list goes on.
Obviously, the DLP wants to create the illusion whereby these issues have been “aborted or dissolve in a timely fashion through the good leadership of PM Stuart (another illusion).” But we all know that this is not the case, especially since they have a two seat majority, this creates a situation where any attempt to discipline members may be detrimental to the party.
Additionally, while in opposition, the DEMS also had their fair share of “internal rumblings” for a PERIOD OF 13 YEARS, which the party’s hierarchy was unable “to dilute in a peaceful manner in avoidance of fractions or division within the party.”
Kellman was his own faction within the party and in parliament (remember he and Thompson were not on speaking terms as the only two members of a then opposition); Thompson joined forces with his faction to eventually overthrow Mascoll by a “political coup d’état”; Mascoll obviously had his own faction as well as the elder party faithful.
These situations “spilled on to the public arena with questions being asked about (Thompson’s) leadership ability and his incapacity to control” members of the party, since an opposition does not have bona fide “ministers.”
The situation presently occurring within the BLP, also creates a situation whereby people would question, and rightfully so, Mottley’s ability to control her members and effectively enforce a system of good governance.
After 13 years of “internal rumbling,” which caused Barbadians to question that party’s ability to implement a good governance system, the DEMS were “seemingly” able to mend the fences on the EVE of a general election, presented a “united party” to the Barbadian electorate and went on to win the 2008 elections.
Fortunately, the DLP left an example that Mottley could learn from. The present system of POOR GOVERNANCE, as demonstrated by the DLP, is symptomatic of and exemplifies the fact that political parties, after experiencing years of internal conflict, are often incapable of exhibiting good governance. There are still underlying remnants of conflict existing within the party.
The DLP has proven this fact and Mottley would do well to learn from their example. Because if the BLP were to win the next general election, they would be just as incompetent as or even worse than this present DLP administration.
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Yes to “rumblings” past and present in the DLP
However i also stated that whatever rumblings they were in the past six years within the DLP camp they were handle with quietness and quickness.
A leadership skill that Mia has yet to demonstrate in quelling the murky waters that rolls on to the public domain.
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ac
Dare you to compare Mia and Stuart?Beyond comparison.Mia understands Real Politik.Can you see her reading a eulogy from reams of paper like Stuart did at his sister’s funeral service.It tells me two things immediately.First he neither trusts his memory or his thought process is disorderly.Secondly,he really knows nothing about his sister.A real political leader is a skilled orator and with the aura of charisma that Stuart would dream of having.You can’t deny that Mia is possessed of both in abundance,that’s why she has what it takes to lead.
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Ammm Since the BLP foot soldiers have been consistently critical of PM Stuart leadership
I dare any one (of you) to point me in the direction where for the past six years Mia has shown an astute aptitude in guidance and strong leadership of the BLP
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Voting ac comment down is not the answer , You Gabriel speak about comparison, Now ac asked of you for the evidence to defend all you said in your comment Bring the proof ,
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Gabriel,
Do not engage the ac’s…….they got talk for the BLP. How is this Mia’s fault if the MP has problems with her elected executive? I think the executive should resign and leave her alone.
Let ac deal with the problems in the DLP. Fruendel Stuart’s cabinet sits in meetings with him every Thursday and they could not talk with him. They had to go behind his back and plot to overthrow him because they said they could not talk to him. In fact he does not enter the room until all of them are gathered.
Not only did they meet and plot to overthrow him, the bastards also had a plan to offer him the post of GG saying that post would suit him as he does not like to communicate with ordinary folk………(Can anyone imagine had this plot not been exposed….seeing Fruendel as GG visiting centenarians?)
Yea, I know the ac will say that they won but at what cost? Estwick is a time bomb!
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Oh well here comes that pot starved political mongrel one prodigal nipping at ac/s feet .with attack after attack,,
any how the same “challenge ” i throw to Gabriel i pass to you bring the proof of “comparison.
Needless to say Mia has a long history compiled and comprise of fourteen years of active duty to this country much of which you can obtain as proof,
Not so ,just asking.
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ac
I gave you two.You want more?St Philip South rejected him.He ran to St Michael South and got rejected .Mia lost once,first outing and never looked back.He took away Urban so he could build condos for his constituents.The condos finish almost 2 years,Madoney get pay,and not a tenant in situ.What leadership is that?
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When Freundel was a Senator, he used to talk a lot of black/white nonsense.
I am appalled that as a black PM, he fell into the same trap as his former leader………you do not hear him talking anything about black/white nonsense now that he is in a position to help redistribute the wealth. He assists in concentrating the wealth into the big white businesses.
He does not speak a word about the 40% of government contracts that were to go to the small black man……………and the small black people still vote for these deceivers?
By the way………who imported the big BWA tanks so soon? Who installed them?
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i told you that the bkp foot soldiers had and have plenty cricisms of Stuar leadership
All (you) have done is to continue more of the same, but is of yet to show or bring any evidence or proof which can demostraye Mia abilty and performance as having strong or stronger enough leadership than Stuart
Just a reminder telling me what (you) know about Stuart as a leader does not in anyway make a good enough defense of Mia leadership,
Oh on your other point to do with election victory or mainstream politics those two issues are co -joined to public preference and/or financial stability ;
In your eatlier comment i did not bother to respond because it was almost a joke to accuse a grieving person of having a lack of leadership due to the method and the way the individual dealt with the circumstances,
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And to you Prodigal you sound so foolish , go find Mia and tell her that YOU having a hard time defending her leadership of the BLP as there is not one iota of evidence which you can presented that demonstrate good leadership of the party on her behalf after six years as the leader ,,HA! HA! now how is that for a good campaign slogan
MIA CANT LEAD HER PARTY> THEN HOW CAN SHE LEAD THE COUNTRY? Six years and counting
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Word on the ground they will be plenty dog dumplings in Mia soup in the run up to the next election..
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I heard today of the passing of Kathleen Noott,widow of Major Noott,after a brief illness, age 99.May she rest in peace.
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Gabriel,
Is that really all it takes to lead – charisma and skill in oration?
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Firstly, you cannot compare Stuart’s leadership skills as a Prime Minister with that of the Opposition leader, without taking into consideration that there are three aspects to Stuart’s leadership. He has to lead the DLP, his ministers and the affairs of Barbados.
As it relates to the leadership of his ministers, he has been unable, for example, to “muzzle” David Estwick and Donville Inniss, both of whom always contradict anything Stuart says.
Estwick plays out his disagreements with Stuart and the DLP in the press. Stuart spoke about “citizenship by investment,” and Inniss said he was not in favour of such a policy. Then there is the situation with Denis Lowe. Why is it that every ministry he has presided over always has some sort of controversy, yet he remains a minister? Stuart admitted there were “procedural mis-steps” surrounding the retrenchment of the former NCC employees, yet Lowe remains a minister.
Obviously, you DLP yard fowls would be satisfied with Stuart’s leadership of the party. But the quality of his leadership of the DEMS would have been greatly tested if the party had a 5 or 6 seat majority. As it stands now, no member of the DLP is willing jeopardize their chances of receiving a pension.
In terms of his leadership skills relative to Barbados, Stuart has failed tremendously. If you think lying to Barbadians; protecting crooks like Leroy Parris; signing secret deals with CAHILL, allowing Michael Carrington to remain Speaker after withholding his former client’s property; retrenching public sector employees while maintaining the largest cabinet in the history of Barbados; refusing to communicate with Barbadians (unless he is insulting someone or addressing a constituency branch meeting); procrastinating; referring matters to commissions of enquiry or non-existent ERTs.
Stuart’s biggest failures have been refusing to implement ITAL, a code of conduct for ministers and declaration of assets.
However, I agree with your comment re: “MIA CANT LEAD HER PARTY> THEN HOW CAN SHE LEAD THE COUNTRY?”
During the days of the DLP’s “internal rumblings” a similar comment could have been attributed to Thompson as well. And it has been proven correct, because during the past 6 and a half years, Thompson was unable to lead the country, during the duration of his illness Barbados came to a “stand still,” meaning there was no one within the ranks of the DLP that were capable of leading the country, and now Stuart has proven he is unable and incapable of leading the country as well.
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Donna
That might be your understanding of it.Perhaps the German people and Churchill among others were initially carried away with those attributes in a mass murderer post ’33.
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And to You I say that recitation you gave as commentary has been heard many times
Furthermore your level of discourse avoids the vexing question pertaining to Mia leadership which becomes magnified especially given the fact of the many dogging debacles
You have attempted to infuse that the close election can be of credit her. However I would most likely believe that what transpired could be more credited to Arthur and his die hard followers
Yes that Stuart govt would have difference to policies but not of a magnitude to cause ongoing division
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It seems as though the consortium has brought out George Pilgrim to reply.
“And to You I say that recitation you gave as commentary has been heard many times”
Recitation or not, my comments are TRUE, and a lot more can be added. Stuart has been an abysmal failure as a leader and will go down in history as the worst PM Barbados ever had. Talking shiite and quoting Chaucer, Shakespeare or Greek philosophers and talking “over people’s heads” or insulting them, does not make Stuart a good leader.
“Furthermore your level of discourse avoids the vexing question pertaining to Mia leadership which becomes magnified especially given the fact of the many dogging debacles”
The above comments do not make any sense. There is only ONE aspect of Mottley’s leadership and that is as Opposition leader, while Stuart has THREE aspects from which we can judge him. You must remember the problems in the BLP were similarly occurring in the DLP during their time in Opposition. “Six is half dozen.”
“You have attempted to infuse that the close election can be of credit her.”
I never IMPLIED that, perhaps you interpreted my comments to suit your benefit. The DLP’s 2 seat majority does not give the party any room to maneuver politically, each member has to “tow the line” lest the government falls and the members lose their pension.
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Artaxerxes
I really admire you…..you can take it to these ac’s like a giant! Bravo. I do not have the strength to take on these feeders of the fatted calf. Just the bare thought that they will be losing their place at the trough frightens them like no other that sends them into a frenzy!
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Prodigal, it’s fun for me just showing up how weak they are as supporters.
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Sir you seem to have an incredulous taste for flavour for the many times you have falsely accused me to be people of different names as in this case
However to stay on subject I must once again bring your attention to the subject matter one of leadership which is not solely catergorized by how much or how many but a demonstration of the individual to take charge and control unpredicatble circumstamces or occurences
Indeed in such area your leader has failed.Furthermore you have failed in your quest to justify those failures which i pointed in my previous comments
You can have the last word
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@ This particular AC
You praised Stuart’s leadership abilities and gave Mottley a failing grade. I, on the other hand, DID NOT seek to PROMOTE Mottley’s leadership abilities, but to PROVE that your analysis of Stuart is FLAWED, which I have done successfully.
“Furthermore you have failed in your quest to justify those failures which i pointed in my previous comments..”
How does anyone JUSTIFY failures? Sounds like an oxyAC (i.e. oxymoron), because only a MORON would make a comment like that.
“However to stay on subject I must once again bring your attention to the subject matter one of leadership which is not solely catergorized by how much or how many but a demonstration of the individual to take charge and control unpredicatble circumstamces or occurences….”
Stuart has never demonstrated he has the ability “to take charge and control unpredictable circumstances or occurrences.” The Alexandra School and NCC issues are indicative of that fact; he procrastinates too much.
The industrial action taken by the NUPW and BWU in protest of the BIDC forcibly retiring employees, may be considered an “unpredictable circumstance or occurrence.” And how did Stuart respond? He used pejorative remarks and issued threats the leadership of both unions, which filled Barbadians with abhorrence. This is not how leadership is defined.
Remember, anyone can “write eloquently,” but what you wrote must make sense or prove some point. Your comments were eloquently written, ONLY.
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Sir i suggest you leave well alone,
Procrastination is not a poor sign of leadership, It is a diplomatic approach well best applied especially for proper governance whereby taking into account the laws and guidelines that govern a nation under its Constitutions to all of society
Unlike Mia leadership which is well known and demonstrated through use of undiplomatic policies lending themselves to feeble street marches and yardfowl gimmicks
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“It is a diplomatic approach well best applied especially for proper governance whereby taking into account the laws and guidelines that govern a nation under its Constitutions to all of society…”
By making the comment “proper governance whereby taking into account the laws and guidelines that govern a nation under its Constitutions to all of society…” you have FINALLY admitted that one cannot conduct a comparative analysis of the leadership abilities of a Prime Minister with that of an Opposition Leader.
There are TWO MAIN aspects of the PM’s leadership, i.e. the ability to effectively lead his ministers and being capable of leading the country. The OL main objective is to oppose, as was done by ALL oppositions in Barbados.
“Unlike Mia leadership which is well known and demonstrated through use of undiplomatic policies lending themselves to feeble street marches and yardfowl gimmicks..”
You have once again ADMITTED that Mottley is doing what an Opposition Leader is supposed to do, that is to OPPOSE. By mentioning “the use of undiplomatic policies,” perhaps you would care to tell us what laws she has broken. There is no written rule that say an Opposition Leader has to be “diplomatic” in her/his approach, as long they oppose within the confines of the law.
The “feeble street marches” served their purposes.
Her “yard-fowl gimmicks” could be compared to the “information” Thompson said he had in his possession relative to the “SECRET DEAL” the BLP (while in Opposition) made with the IMF. Or Sinckler telling constituents at a constituency branch meeting that the BLP held a “SECRET MEETING” at which they discussed plans to retrench over 10,000 public sector employees. Or Stuart reassuring public sector employees that NOT ONE of them will be sent home and telling Barbadians tertiary level education WILL REMIAN FREE.
All of the above are “yard-fowl gimmicks.” Unfortunately, these gimmicks only served to show that Thompson, Sinckler and Stuart were all LIARS.
Now compare the Mottley’s CAHILL “yard-fowl gimmick,” which brought together Barbadians to form special interest groups to question the transparency of this project. Active research was undertaken by Barbadians, which subsequently revealed that CAHILL is a scam. BU must be congratulated for providing the forum (unlike the traditional media) where this issue could be thoroughly discussed and documents presented for our perusal.
It is against a background such as this that you have to judge Mottley’s ability to effectively deliver her message.
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And I dun wid you and dat, becausen Fruendel Stuart will go down in history as the worst PM Barbados ever had.
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Yes i have admitted that MIA misleads and over reaches the peripheral instead of closely looking and underscore all the FACTS necessary before forming yardfowl conclusion.
It was in the case of Clico where her emphasis was to call on govt to pay back the Clico policyholders with taxpayers money
While not underscoring that the money needed to payback (i ) comes from taxpayers who had no interest in CLICO would only serves as a punishment to them
SO glad you have reached the end of your rope
BUT just a Friendly reminder
On the battle field of life ,The winner is always the last person standing, YOU be the Judge
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“It was in the case of Clico where her emphasis was to call on govt to pay back the Clico policyholders with taxpayers money. While not underscoring that the money needed to payback (i ) comes from taxpayers who had no interest in CLICO would only serves as a punishment to them…”
You know you are political yard-fowls who just writes a lot of shiitey political rhetorical generalized statements without bringing to the fore any information to substantiate your drivel.
Your beloved David Thompson is the first one who promised to repay the CLICO policy holders. He assured the Eastern Caribbean countries that Barbados would help them as well, but maintained that Barbados must be attended to first, before attempting to assist the other countries. Perhaps Mottley was calling your party’s bluff.
Your folly, political blindness and attempt to “be the last people standing,” may have caused you to interpret Mottley’s call for government to pay CLICO policy holders (or Thompson’s promises), to mean that “taxpayers’ money” would be used.
If anyone in the consortium were smart and used their ability to think rationally, they would reason that CLICO is a business and obviously it would have assets, which could have been sold to satisfy policy holders’ claims.
At that time, CLICO’s assets were reported to be valued at $441M and the Barbados government had to look for approximately $76M to settle policy holders, which could have been attained if these assets were realized.
OF INTEREST TO YOU, (IN CASE YOU FORGOT), DID NOT THE $10M Thompson gave CLICO in 2009 “come from taxpayers who had no interest in CLICO would only serve as a punishment to them….?”
In October 2014, Sinckler revealed that cabinet “gave the nod to a restructuring plan prepared by the company’s judicial managers Deloitte Consulting.” He further stated that “Under the plan it is envisaged that all policyholders with traditional insurance policies, such as life, health and pension plans, will receive the full value of their policies with the SUPPORT of the Government.” [Barbados Today, October 28, 2014]
Hmmmmm, I guess that support came from the DLP’s bank account and not taxpayers.
LIKEWISE TO YOU, just a Friendly reminder, On the battle field of life, The winner is (not only) always the last person standing, but the one skilled in the ART OF WAR…… YOU be the Judge….”
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Spin this all you want , DT is dead can no longer lead or mislead
The Fact /s pertaining to Mia ability to deliver any valuable solutions have been soured and dismissed as trivia and never seen the light of day.
Sir for the same reason that what you perceived as soluble and easy to dissolve by the wave of a finger to give relief to a complicated problem whereby govt can willy nilly seized the assets of a private company to do at will in effort to satisfy a complex problem is asinine
Most notably Mia has now gone silent after making the outrageous solutions to the Clico policyholders and not saying a word while govt take steps to reimburse/compensate in the most appropriate and legal way the Clico policyholders .
In this case the loudest wheel did get the grease as Mia mislead and garnish support for the Clico problem in her usual rumbustious manner but as usual for Mia it was not enough grease to stop the wheel from falling off,
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@ AC
This is pure shiite you wrote, it is composed of incoherent generalized statements. You have a way of writing things that, in actuality, DO NOT ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
Thompson being dead does NOT negate the fact that this DLP government GAVE CLICO $10M, which CAME “FROM TAXPAYERS who had no interest in CLICO (and) only served as a punishment to them.”
I mentioned this against the background of your comment re: Mottley wanted the same government to pay CLICO policy holders from taxpayers. THIS IS THE ISSUE YOU SHOULD ADDRESS, rather than using so many “FANCY WORDS” to write shiite.
Additionally, you have not PRESENTED any EVIDENCE to SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATIONS relative to Mottley “making the outrageous solutions to the Clico policyholders” or that her suggestions were NOT “the most appropriate and legal way the Clico policyholders” as well.
You have the opportunity to SILENCE ME on the issue “once and for all,” PRESENT to BU what were Mottley’s suggestions and DESCRIBE their OUTRAGEOUSNESS, this is a SIMPLE TASK.
Unlike you, I ALWAYS PRESENT PROOF to SUBSTANTIATE what I write.
Perhaps you should do LIKEWISE. STOP WRITING the GENERALIZED POLITICAL RHETORIC and BRING SUBSTANTIATED FACTS to PROVE what you wrote.
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Let’s see what Mia brings tomorrow as supporting facts or providing evidence that would determine the credibility if govt in the Cahill issue.
I would bet that it would be her credibility the one that would be left battered bruised and stained
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“The Fact /s pertaining to Mia ability to deliver any valuable solutions have been soured and dismissed as trivia and never seen the light of day.”
I must remind the consortium that Thompson dismissed Mottley’s suggestion that CLICO should be PLACED UNDER Judicial Management. Similarly to you, he probably thought she was “making outrageous solutions to the Clico policyholders.”
Subsequently, this same DLP administration established an Oversight Committee, which also SUGGESTED that CLICO be placed under Judicial Management. As you know, Deloitte was appointed as JM.
Hence, this action proves your comments re: “The Fact /s pertaining to Mia ability to deliver any valuable solutions have been soured and dismissed as trivia and never seen the light of day,” are not only erroneous, but pure shiite as well.
I suggest you forget this CLICO thing, yuh.
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Dr. Agard let me make something very clear to you and the others clamoring for this decriminalizing of marijuana i will never support your call. Honestly i like you as a politician and i am one who will strongly defend you on your current situation, i am aware that you have only called for discussion, but i will draw the line on this marijuana issue it will always be the saying of a resounding NO to drugs for me.I part company with anyone who pander to this notion that the decriminalizing marijuana will be a step in the right direction, from the perspective of law enforcement the law needs to remain as it is.I will say no more.
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