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Plase gasification is coming to Barbados!
Plase gasification is coming to Barbados!

Within the last seven days a tiny noticed was published in the press that Cahill Energy will convened a ‘Town Hall meeting’ to informed members of the public salient points about the USD300 million waste-to-energy plasma gasification plant. BU has been reliably informed the Town Hall meeting was successfully held and although scheduled to end at 8PM finished about 9PM. The illegal meeting was also mentioned by Minister of Finance Chris Sinckler in a radio program last Sunday.

The Town Planning Act requires that a 28 day notice period be given of such a meeting.

Related Link: Town Planning Act

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165 responses to “Cahill Convenes Town Hall Meeting”

  1. ac Avatar
    ac

    guys like techiie needs to go educate yuhself ….instead of talking pooop .

    here is something for yuh dumb a.sss to read,,,,,,,,

    http://www.waste-management-world.com/articles/print/volume-10/issue-4/features/plasma-gasification-clean-renewable-fuel-through-vaporization-of-waste.html

  2. Roy Avatar
    Roy

    Gasification is a polluting technology
    Gasification pollutants—and the record of unsafe emissions—are similar to those of “traditional” mass- burn incineration.

    • Scotland’s Dumfries plant, commissioned to gasify more than 20,000 tons, produced 200 breaches of emissions limits, two of which involved dioxins, and also had 100 “short-term” exceedances. It was shut down in April 2011 and is now operating on a restricted basis.

    • In the UK a waste gasification plant on the Isle of Wight was shut down in 2010 because it failed dioxin emissions tests. “Thankfully the public health effects are thought to be minimal.

    • Plasco Energy’s gasification pilot in Ottawa had 29 “emissions incidents,” plus 13 “spills,” in their 3-year history (2009-11), during which they were able to operate only 25% of the time;4 and a pilot pyrolysis plant in Romoland, CA emitted significantly greater concentrations of dioxins, NOx, volatile organic compounds, and particulate matter (PM10) than the two aging mass- burn incinerators in the Los Angeles area.

  3. Techie Avatar
    Techie

    “The Dumfries plant will be able to deal with a large cross section of material – from municipal to industrial and commercial waste.
    The company claimed it was able to “meet and even surpass the most stringent standards” for emissions from the factory.
    Along with electricity, the residual ash produced by the plant will be suitable for re-use and recycling.”

    “The facility has consistently failed to meet any reasonable expectation of environmental performance and the predicted level of energy recovery at approximately 3% is particularly disappointing and unsatisfactory.”

    Taken from the BBC website.

  4. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    “The official told the audience, which included Minister of Commerce Donville Inniss and head of the Barbados Private Sector Association Alex MacDonald, the research, design and build of the structure, as well as its operation and maintenance rested squarely on the shoulder of the company which is based in Canada.”

    source. http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2014/07/12/cahill-energy-renews-job-promise/

    Rest assured there will be no shenanigans with this project because the company is based in CANADA the land of FOI and pitbull investigators.

  5. ac Avatar
    ac

    Roy ummmm tell me have You ever visited a WTE energy plant,,,,,,,,,,,ummm BTW,,,,,,cars are the biggest pollutants and the accidents level has a very high rate,,,in thousands per capita yearly ,,,,,,but i don.t hear the environmentalist calling for a complete ban of the production of cars,,,,,,In life there is trial and error, not unlike any thing man made that are prone to accidents ,some of these plants would have a small margin of error and from those mistakes newer better and safer improvements would be made,,,,the use of the bogeyman syndrome to sniffle and dampen progress has now met its match in a world where the use of technology have enhanced and made life a little easier for alll,. ,

  6. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Concerned | July 11, 2014 at 8:37 AM |
    The cost is now at $600M and not final. How will our kids live with all these BOLTS to pay. May god help Barbados
    ………………………………………………………………………………..
    We and our kids have been SCREWED by these BOLTS,and sooner or later, we will all be driven NUTS.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    Before this discussion becomes a bang heads affair here are a couple discussion points:

    – let us agree this is a ‘young’ technology and concern about a little island adopting the technology is reasonable and merits discussion in much the same way we discussed wind tech at Lamberts.

    – limited research suggest the residue /slag left after the burn should be tested to maintain certain levels. In the USA there is exhaustive written requirements stipulated by external agencies. In the Barbados scenario what certification/monitoring/compliance standards will we adhere to? Who will do the testing.

    – how will this plant if it materializes negatively impact existing recyclers which is desirable for the country.

    – is the government prepared to issue a statement about certain guarantees in the MO u which is needed to inform a proper debate in the country or will it be same old same old read silence and lack of transparency.

    Is it possible for an educated community like Barbados to have a proper discussion about WTE? And a discussion we must have.

    On Saturday, 12 July 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  8. David Avatar
    David

    @Colonel

    You are on a roll but it is hard to believe Lowe deposited 5 million on his account without the bank exacting information as to the source. You may recall Leroy Parris had to take his 8 million and take a hike from CIBC because the financial institutions are under pressure to be transparent.

    Also to your point about the FBI report, BU recalls Prime Minister Stuart indicating that he would bring info to the public about the same report. Promises, promises and more promises turned to lies.

    On Saturday, 12 July 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  9. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    David did you read my comment and link?

  10. David Avatar
    David

    @Hants

    Which link, the one about creating jobs?

    On Saturday, 12 July 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  11. Wily Coyote Avatar
    Wily Coyote

    The following article lays out clearly the PRO’s and CON’s of this technology. Read the article carefully and then ask yourself, does this technology suit the Barbados situation. Read carefully the costs of this technology compared to landfill even with the benefits factored in.

    ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY OF A PLASMA ARC
    GASIFICATION PLANT, CITY OF MARION, IOWA

    http://avantceenergyalliance.com/docs/NAWTEC18-3502.pdf

  12. David Avatar
    David

    Barbados is not paying for the cost of the plant, Cahill investors are.

    On Saturday, 12 July 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  13. ac Avatar
    ac

    how can anyone have a meaningful discussion on any issue on BU when the bogey man is always present at the table,,,,,,no matter what the issues are ..whether it be pitching marbles or threading needle,,,no matter the issue,,,,,,the first and last person in and out of the discussion is the bogeyman,,,, then one wonders how every issue becomes politicized ,, ,

  14. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Cuss Greenland but praising a WTE….well I nevah!!

  15. ac Avatar
    ac

    hope ALL woud go to this website and read and learn…….and don;t let the environmentalist bogeyman stand in the way of progress,,,,,,,

    http://www.waste-management-world.com/articles/print/volume-10/issue-4/features/plasma-gasification-clean-renewable-fuel-through-vaporization-of-waste.html

  16. ac Avatar
    ac

    what all should be concerned with… is the rise in energy cost and its impact on govts revenue and house holds whose incomes are not sufficient to keep up with energy cost ..,,,,,,, this all out broadsided slash and burn mentality by those who perceives themselves to be environmentalist serves only one purpose ;;as an act to deflect a very important issue when the real crux of matter should be is how can energy cost be tackle without increasing govt deficits and burning a hole in the individual pocket books whether it be buy purchasing of goods or paying taxes levy on fuel charges,,,

  17. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Barbados is not paying for the cost of the plant, Cahill investors are.
    +++++++++++
    Get some sleep boss man…

    Who the hell do you think will pay….Grenadians?
    Our children, grandchildren and THEIR children will pay with their asses….
    …unless you think that these CAHILL people are even bigger brass bowls than Bajans are…

    This is just a high tech / higher cost version of Greenland….

  18. Bajan Yankee Avatar
    Bajan Yankee

    @David, don’t fool yourself Barbadian taxpayers will be paying as Cahill needs to make 15% ROI yearly and an additional $25M to cover its maintainence yearly. Thus it will make back it money in about 6 years. In addition the $600M is not the final cost and as a BOLT it may be another BIzzy Deal at around $180 per ton. The actually tonnage needed for a 24 x 7 plant is dependent on the calorific value and quality of feedstock. Thus the 600 tons may become 1500 tons so do the Mathis.

  19. Bajan Yankee Avatar
    Bajan Yankee

    @David, BOLTs arrangement are like asking a friend to make a credit card purchase for you and you pay later. This project is suited for Barbados at this time. BIM will soon be needing a debt consolidation loan as we will have too many loans to pay.

  20. David Avatar
    David

    Of course there is an ROI. The simple point to Bush Tea was that the payback will come from the spread between the price points read cost to produce energy and sale of same energy to the government. Barbadians will not pay the upfront cost of the plant which is at 300 usd and climbing.

  21. ac Avatar
    ac

    the politics of trying to undermine and deflect the most important issue of finding) a reasonable and practical solution to high energy cost which is negatively impacting the country financial reserves on a daily basis is mindbogglingly where no one seems to be factoring the rising cost of energy daily but have zoomed in on the cost of the WTE plant which in the long run would save govt and household billions of dollars,,one thing for certain is that energy cost will rise and that ALL will have to pay whatever world markets are requesting ..there is no escaping that fact, ,..if one wants to table an argument against the financial cost of the WTE ,,one should also take in to consideration weighing the cost per household of energy consumption on a daily usage ..factoring whether the cost of the WTE plant will be more than or less than what it is (now) costing both govt and individuals to buy energy annually …. the simplistic approach of just looking on an issue from one bias serves no real purpose to finding solutions to pressing energy cost driven by consumptions and which have and will continue to be on a drain on the country financial reserves and individuals fiances daily without an end in sight,,,

  22. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    So then David, because Scotiabank will be paying the upfront cost, you see no problem with Bushie using the credit card to buy a new tech hydrogen fuel car for $800,000?
    …after all Bushie can always find two ‘researchers’ from UWI to show that the savings in gasoline over the next 200 years could easily justify the investment….

    Boss man…..if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks ….it is a damn duck…..especially if Denis Lowe is the farmer.

    This thing is nothing more that the usual white people selling trinkets to the natives…

    In any case, as Anonymous has been at pains to point out, in ten years EVERYONE who can afford electricity will have solar panels on their damn roof and the only jackasses looking to buy electricity will be the retarded water works people…
    ….and in five years, Bajans will be so damn BROKE that there will be long lines of citizens waiting to “recycle” any garbage there is lying around…..
    …so this shiite is dead in the water anyhow.

    BTW
    Do you intend to say anything about the most recent shiite research coming out of UWI…?
    ….about how they generate more forex than sugar and rum?
    ….and about how imports don’t affect local production of chicken?

    If you know what is good for you ….um is better that you write um than leave it to Bushie yuh hear?

  23. David Avatar
    David

    @Tea Bush

    BU is puting the Cahill side of the issue David Ellis stylie. The cost of the WtE power is to be considerably less than what the EMERA plant currently generates. The issue NOW is that it cost government 30 approx annually to manage a landfill arrangement and the attendent issues.

  24. David Avatar
    David

    About UWI, isn’t there a program on VoB this morning? BU is not qualified to challenge the assumptions of the UWI gorrilaphants like Dr. Moore et al.

  25. ac Avatar
    ac

    does solar panels have the solution to finding an alternative for WASTE which is a burdensome financial problem to taxpayers,,Solar is a good form of energy and over the years individuals would have to find money to service the cost of replacement parts which is not cheap .. ,not to mention the cost of insurance which will be pivotal for the security in case of wind damage,,,,,the are many hidden cost attached,which over the years will rises and will deplete whatever savings one might have made., nevertheless it is a real source of energy if individuals can afford its initial cost,,,,,,..

  26. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    An intelligent sounding fellow on VOB’s brass tacks made the point that based on current projections, the actual cost of energy from this plant will be HIGHER than BL&P’s base load costs…but lower than their peaking costs.
    Boss man….that is a clear NO BRAINER.

    A MUCH MORE COST-effective approach will be needed in order to make this viable. You REALLY think that Sinckler, Boyce and those idjuts understand these complexities…?

    Is it not OBVIOUS that cutting edge technology will be cost INEFFICIENT in its early development?
    Would anyone but a jackass or a very rich investor invest in such technology at this stage?
    Why you think Emera / BL&P don’t even talk about it?

    There are MUCH cheaper ways to deal with rubbish….trust Bushie… 🙂 ….but probably the kickbacks are meagre too….

    WRT UWI
    You could imagine we invest half billion dollars every year in education in an effort to produce creative, intelligent, productive citizens who can run this country successfully….and Sir Cave and his minions comes up with some shiite study saying that we should put more money in UWI because……get this….

    The productive sectors are so poorly managed, pissy and inefficient, that we make more money hosting students from OTHER countries who come here?

    WTH…
    …..this man Hilary thinks that ALL Bajans are dumb (were educated by him)?
    Bushie says that based on his research, SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIRE HIS ASS AND EMPLOY SOMEONE WHO CAN PRODUCE HIGH CLASS BUSINESSMEN AND WOMEN WHO CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

    Is UWI meant to be a hotel?
    Shiite man!!

  27. ac Avatar
    ac

    every time Bush tea open his rubber mout ..he takes barbados further back in the dark ages,,NOW listen to bush tea “quote of the day …An “intelligent sounding man”” on BRASS tacks,,opinons another one of his baseless conclusion……Lawd hav merci.. i have come to the conclusion that this bush tea guy is a waste of energy and should be immediately shipped back to the planet where life is only permissible to a few like himself ..this guy would take bread and turned it into saw dust on the premise it would save everybody money,,,,without out giving thought to the alternative which is death,,,,……,,,,,,

  28. David Avatar
    David

    @Bushie

    Unlike some on BU we know when to read/listen and learn. That technical stuff is way about our pay grade.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    @Bushie

    That intelligent sounding man on Brasstacks is obviously an engineer who knows his onions although Ellis tried to dilute his contribution with waffle.

  30. ac Avatar
    ac

    u guys are mindless tarts… here is another baseless conclusion……..’

    That” intelligent” sounding man on Brasstacks is ..(obviously) an engineer,,,…
    another conclusion based on unsubstantial facts ,,,,,,David your lawyering skills need to be sharpened on simple matters,,you have let the little demented mind of one BUSh TEA influence your commonsense,,, bush tea is a complicated jerk ..and a neurotic at large,,,,,,nothing is good enough or right enough….an impractical fornicator of the spoken word ….one who does not understand that the world is not,,,going backward on the path which he insist to travell on…and which he is hell bent on taking others,,,,fuh christ sake the guy still believes in virgin births and resurrection stories …..

  31. Lemuel Avatar
    Lemuel

    All Bajans have to do is to get Senator the apostle David Durant bless this endeavor like he probably blessed the David Thompson – Parris – CLICO arrangement, and all shall be well!! Oh what mammoth faith that we Bajans need!!

  32. Lemuel Avatar
    Lemuel

    Bushie:
    It is truly difficult getting through to the AC of this world who still believes that a man kissing and caressing another man is NORMAL!! Yet, you are neurotic; it is truly amazing!!

  33. David Avatar
    David

    @ac

    BU has ignored you and your better half because like all contributors to BU, the BU household welcomes all comments – from the bright and the dullard. The man identified as intelligent sounding who appeared on Brasstacks was identified as an engineer. You will doubt BU we know therefore you are welcome to visit VOB’s Brasstacks archive. To repeat. Your comments on BU have zero credibility on BU because you have demonstrated an inability to shift gears when shown an alternative path is better.
    knows no bounds.

  34. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Ac who? 🙂

    The man is OBVIOUSLY and engineer….and one who knows what he is talking about.

    The amazing thing to Bushie – is that we as a people are willing to allow a few jackasses with ac-like brains to make billion dollar decisions that commit this country to DECADES of debt… when we ALL know that these jackasses will be unemployed plebs in less than five years time.

    Arthur did a lotta shiite in the name of CARICOM (it is the reason why this jackass MOF has decided to tax land instead of the IMPORTS that are the CAUSES of our problems)

    …and now we are allowing Stinkler …an OBVIOUS retard! to make monumental decisions that will commit our children to decades of poverty and debt

    …and we are reluctant to listen when our TRUE EXPERTS warn us about the shiite being done.

    Truly brass bowls!!!

  35. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    The whole thing appears to be a Greenland scenario playing out AGAIN! All we need is info, make the relevant parts of the MOU public. What is the price the government intends to sell the energy produced by the WtE plant to BL&P, does it intend to pass on the profit to consumers or redirect to the consolidated fund.What will the Environmental Impact Study say? How does the Sugar Project to generate energy (Estwick’s brain chld from Japan) impact the national energy strategy. So many questions!

  36. ac Avatar
    ac

    david ac input on BU is not to accommodate or be a part of a group of welcoming crowd….,,as a matter of FACT could n’t careless about your rating on my commentary,,the fact is that there is a need for balance a missing gap that needs to be filled in……..a gap which seems to get wider and wider everyday,,,,,BU has shown a glaringly less than tolerant interest or tolerance for those with opposing views,,, and to me it doesn’t really matter what U think..but the fact that another point of view is given whether one agrees or not,,, whether above ground or underground…..ac accept the Fact that these baseless attacks would continue ,,,and it is o.k. not one to push an agenda of intolerance,,,, but one of balance,,,,,it is time BU open such a page and take a good read…..

  37. David Avatar
    David

    @ac

    Address BU’s response to you that the man on the talk show is an engineer and we pointed you where it can be proved. Instead you go off on a rant. The higher the monkey climb…you can have the final word, as always.

  38. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Man ignore the foolish woman nuh…!

    Have you considered a few interesting coincidences…?
    Who was a key figure in the BLP government when National terminal oil ltd was created?
    What do they do?
    Not act as middle man in fuel oil imports for BL&P?
    Do you know if BL&P can negotiate cheaper fuel prices?
    Do Government make a big profit (which Mia has been complaining about)?
    Do they pass on profits to consumers? LOL

    Any idiot can see that we cannot sustain fuel imports at $800M per year (much as government would like to …based on TAXES)

    Plan B
    Create Cahill….and become the garbage middleman instead. So that as the fuel imports decline, government can make the same killing on garbage.
    Who is the common denominator in the DLP government?
    …only difference this time is that Bizzy making sure he get his cut up front….

  39. ac Avatar
    ac

    jackass no 2 bush tea..the debt that this country would be internally committed and passed on to generations is the escalating price of energy which if not tackled in the most efficient and practical way would dessimate all developing nations who have not find a way through modern technology to put a handle on energy cost,,u know this tactic of believing that energy cost could be handle by laying out a so called strategic policy of doing nothing has all but eroded whatever economic gains made over the years because govt insistence on believing that if it is not broken ..there is no need to fix……another strategy which govt have used to the detriment of the people is a bushieism policy one of patch work and short cuts,,go figure if we are at this time in history bettered ,,

  40. ac Avatar
    ac

    so the man is an engineer …so the man is an engineer,,,,,,what does that prove,,,,,umm that he is right…..the proof which is (now ) being shown is that govts have become increasingly receptive to the use of WTE and its two pronged approach in solving Waste and a necessary and efficient way of handling energy cost..whoever this engineer is…. ac still needs hardened and conclusive evidence borne out of legitimate and scientific findings tested and proven on a wider scale than one or two findings which he proposed,

  41. Political Watcher Avatar
    Political Watcher

    @david the guy on the radio is an energy engineer by the name of Stuart.

  42. Political Watcher Avatar
    Political Watcher

    @ac, something is very wrong that a man who has escaped Jenkins so long and now lives in the US has not being caught by the authorities and sent back to Barbados. Something is very wrong with your brain as it seems unable to rationalize right from wrong just to support a political party. However, fortunately you are not unique.

  43. Lemuel Avatar
    Lemuel

    At least we know that AC can not count herself as a member of ANY profession. Made a mistake there; she is a professional shit talker!!

  44. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    The suggestion was mooted elsewhere as well i.e. cutting out the middle man, the challenge with this suggestion is the the capex and managing it.

  45. ac Avatar
    ac

    @ political watchere

    on this blessed sunday morning..i have the undaunted pleasure of telling u to k..s my black ar…….sss .. rationalize what right from what wrong………just because ,,,,,,,,,……….i am not a two year old ,,one not easily spoon fed……so what if he is engineer ,where does he based his findings,,,,bring them to table send them to govt,, why do u think that WTE plants are being taken as a serious approach…..because of its multifaceted approach,,,,so even if what the engineer say have a minute of merit how does the disposal of waste which trigger high cost off set any gains in his findings which would still be problematic. steupse…

  46. David Avatar
    David

    Well if you were to listen to his contribution posted on VoB’s website or attended the Cahill Town hall (which we know you could not) you would be able to critique Stuart the engineer’s position from an informed view.

    Ignorance knows no bounds.

  47. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    USE THE FACTING INTERNET AND DO SOME RESEARCH.

    http://globalenergyobservatory.org/list.php?db=PowerPlants&type=Waste

    http://www.waste-management-world.com/articles/2013/05/50-mw-plasma-gasification-plant-boosts-revenue-at-alter-nrg.

    http://www.environmental-expert.com/companies/keyword-plasma-gasification-9193

  48. Wily Coyote Avatar
    Wily Coyote

    @David

    “Barbados is not paying for the cost of the plant, Cahill investors are.”

    Typical Barbadian — you believe everything your being told !!!!
    Cahill, supposedly from Canada does not appear to have any financial ability to go the outhouse little own and build a whirlpool bath.

  49. David Avatar
    David

    @Willy

    BU’s response to Bush Tea was explained. The capex will be raised by Cahill via investors, the ROI for Cahill will be as a result of power sold to government at a guaranteed price. Please critique in context.

  50. Wily Coyote Avatar
    Wily Coyote

    @David

    Like I said Barbadians, you included, believe all their told.

    Go investigate Cahill and let me know if you find any investors other than the Government of Barbados that are prepared to loan ANY MONEY for this project. You have to keep in mind that Barbados Investments are RATED JUNK. Do you think that any company, bank, security or individual will loan money to be backed up by a GOVERNMENT that is BROKE and has a JUNK investment rating.

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