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Walter Blackman - Actuary and Social Commentator
Walter Blackman – Actuary and Social Commentator

As a result of the perilous state of the Barbados economy, accentuated by a recent 3 notch downgrade by Moody’s and a follow up visit in June by the IMF after a worrying Article IV Consultation in December 2013, the conversation about devaluation and management of government debt has become a topic of national interest. In the public’s interest BU highlights Walter Blackman’s perspective on the two issues which he shared on another blog.

 

Hants – Currently $1 Canadian = $1.84 bds. Cheffette all chicken roti cost $5.50 Canadian. So after a 5 to 1 devaluation the roti will still cost $5.50 Canadian but $60 Barbados. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Walter Blackman – Hants please allow me to reconstruct your question correctly. A Cheffette roti currently costs BDS$10.12. Since Canadian $1 = BDS$1.84, it would take Can$5.50 to purchase the roti. If the exchange rate were changed to Canadian $1 = BDS$5, the same roti that sells for BDS$10.12 would now cost only Canadian$2.02. In short, a devaluation would cause a product manufactured or produced in Barbados to become cheaper to Canadians. The economic argument usually made is that this cheaper roti price would induce Canadians to buy so much more rotis that Barbados would ultimately earn more FOREX selling the roti at $CAN 2.02 rather than at $CAN$5.50.

Hants – So a roti could still sell for $10.25 bds but a box of Kellogg’s cornflakes

Walter Blackman – Yes. The roti that cost BDS$10.25 before the valuation, would continue to cost BDS$10.25..using the ceteris paribus (all things being equal) assumption.

Let us assume that a box of Kellogg’s corn flakes was produced in Canada and sold for CAN$24. When the exchange rate was $1 Canadian = $1.84 bds, the box would have cost BDS$44.16. If the exchange rate were changed to CAN$1 = BDS$5, the price of that same box of Kellogg’s corn flakes would skyrocket from BDS$44.16 to BDS$120.

The economic argument is that the devaluation would make Canadian products more expensive for Barbadians and would have a dampening effect on Canadian exports to Barbados. In other words, Barbadians would import less Canadian goods, and this would reduce our national usage of Canadian FOREX. The economic argument, of course is highly theoretical. The social problems generated by a devaluation, on the other hand, are very real. if almost everything you use and eat came from overseas, and a policy was implemented to choke off this external supply, what do you think would happen?

Lawson – Walter how does that effect real estate, should I wait to buy , will I need to join the Kendal shooting club and buy a glock to get my corn flakes home. Riots, starvation, diseases, crimes?

Walter Blackman – As long as you are sure that a devaluation is inevitable, and you have foreign currency, you should wait. If you have Canadian dollars, a devaluation of the $BDS relative to the CAN$ will make everything in Barbados, including real estate, cheaper. In fact, if the devaluation is deep enough, a multinational corporation might be able to offer an attractive price to purchase the whole island!

On a more serious note, you are on the right track when you started talking about the need to protect yourself and your assets from the social fallout of a

Bush Tea – Hants has a point.devaluation. How long do you think Cheffette will keep the BDS $10.25 price? Practically EVERYTHING in that roti is imported or contains high percentage of imported inputs…

Walter Blackman – Bush Tea, Your point is well taken. Similar to Einstein’s equations and his law of relativity that broke down in the face of a black hole, economic arguments for a devaluation would break down in the face of a small, open, fragile, corrupt, mismanaged country like Barbados. Economic theory will quickly give way to social chaos. Immense pain and suffering will result.

Let me give you an example.

Pretend for one moment that Barbados did not have one cent of FOREX, so no roti ingredients could be imported. Your local cows and your local chickens will suddenly loom large in value, and as the current practice suggests, they will be stolen and sold without any questions being asked by the buyer. The thieves would be quite willing to kill you, the owner, to defend their cows and chickens which they did not raise.

This situation would in turn drive you to the point where you and many others in your predicament would decide to purchase one of the many thousands of guns on the island, with a view to maiming or killing your Barbadian brothers and sisters. A downward social spiral would be set in motion.

Added to the social chaos would be an economic double whammy that would develop to bite you in your backside. Because of the devaluation, you would now have an excessive amount of Barbados dollars chasing few locally produced goods – the classic definition of inflation. Add high unemployment into the mix, and you have a stagflation nightmare. It would take us years and years to wake.

Barbados Underground – So Walter to follow your explanation, will the printing of money ultimately have the same effect?”up from such an awful dream.

Walter Blackman – The printing of money creates its own problems, and if it continues unabated, it can trigger a devaluation. I suspect that many Barbadians have heard about “printing money” but they don’t quite grasp the concept and its inherent dangers. Please allow me the opportunity to get the concept of printing money across by using a simplified example.

Let us assume that there are 300,000 Barbadians, and each Barbadian must purchase a can of food every day to survive. The only product sold in Barbados is this canned food and there are only 300,000 cans on this particular day. For convenience, let us also assume that our total money supply amounts to $3 million, and the price of a can of food is $10.

Suddenly, the government decides that it wants its friends and members of the political class to have , not one can of today , but an additional hundred thousand cans. The additional 100,000 cans of food of course cost $1 million at current prices. Government doesn’t have the money, so it orders the Central Bank to make the money available now, and promises to repay the Central Bank later.

The government has now imposed a new monetary policy on the Central Bank. In this simple example, The Governor of the Central Bank is forced to increase the money supply of Barbados from $3 million to $4 million. Note carefully that no more cans of food have been produced, so we now have $4 million dollars chasing $3 million worth of goods. Prices will rise and inflation will set in before this new situation settles on an ultimate price for a can of food.

In the real world, the resulting inflation will wreak economic havoc. Businesses will have to spend more on operating costs, and will have less to save or invest. Interest rates will rise. There is an inverse relationship between interest rates and bond prices. So people who are holding government bonds (which are now paying relatively low returns) would now receive low prices if they try to sell the bonds. Investors would not be interested in lending their money to the government, or even investing in the country. More than half of the extra million dollars put into the economy by the Central Bank would be used to purchase foreign goods, and this will put a tremendous strain on our FOREX. The country would eventually come face to face with the threat of a devaluation.


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135 responses to “Walter Blackman’s Perspective on Devaluation and ‘Printing Money’”


  1. Caswell
    Are you really willing to debate this with Bushie in public – and tarnish your good reputation…?
    ….remember Bushie is on YOUR side (if yuh start BUPPING…) 🙂

    OK
    Who are the people being PAID NOW to collect that $1 Billion?

    Who are these people with ” BRAIN POWER” available to improve government operations?

    Who are these public servant NOT doing their jobs?..and hence NOT collecting the outstanding VAT (that could pay their salaries)?

    W A I T…..?
    You talking about the same BRASS BOWLS whose salaries Bushie is suggesting that we may wish to shave a bit….?

    SKIPPA….in the REAL WORLD, people who don’t do their jobs get their asses FIRED…. Not shaved….

    Perhaps you may wish to thank Bushie for being so considerate in the proposed approach now you have a better perspective…. 🙂

    ….and no shiite talk about the “big bad politicians”. If these public service “brains” were anything more than effeminate female rabbits they WOULD HAVE exposed and disposed of these political hacks YEARS ago……
    …or at the VERY LEAST, done like you and GOT OUT of the damn mess….. THEY ARE FULLY COMPLICIT.


  2. A Chefette Roti is made with ingredients most of which are imported.

    Imagine if $1.00 US were $5.00 Bds.

    Any product manufactured in Barbados and sold overseas for $1.00US would bring its producer a 2.5 fold increase in revenue.

    Overnight it would change the financial position of the sugar industry for the better. There might even be no further need for Government subsidies!!

    The Sugar industry has largely local inputs. In fact, the most vital inputs, Sun and Rain, besides being local, are free!!

    Generally, the manufacturing sector would benefit tremendously, once it was producing products with inputs that were largely local in origin at selling prices that did not change …. once it did not have a significant foreign component.

    Could it be argued that the sugar industry subsidizes an artificially high exchange rate?


  3. I am surprised nobody is talking about how to increase our FX income. We need to get tourists coming back here in large numbers. To do that we have to reduce costs to compete against other destinations. Our fixed peg dollar (with no place to trade it ) has lead to a increase in our currency value of near 20% during the last several years.becasue of the strength of the US$. Compare that to Brazil for example that has reduced its currency by nearly 35% during the same time period of time.. On currency value alone it is now 50% chaper to go to Brazil for a holiday than it was previously.

    If we dont increase FX earnings we simply wont have the FX to support our lifetyle,


  4. The following excerpt was taken from one of my previous contributions, which was basically a similar view point taken by Mr. Blackman. I guess he was a bit more explicit than I was.

    “The Central Bank can be used effectively by any government to finance a fiscal deficit in the short-term, with a resulting short-term increase in inflation. Short-term debt is more useful as a policy instrument for adjusting the base money supply. However, it is unsustainable for the Bank to finance a long-term deficit through issuing bonds and printing money. The monetary financing of the deficit has an effect on the increase in prices, especially if the funds received are used to finance unproductive or consumption expenses rather than investment projects.
    Hence, quasi-fiscal operations and unconventional monetary policy will expand central bank balance sheets and are likely to reduce, to some extent, the quality of central banks’ assets and therefore their profits [we have seen that the CBB has been making losses].
    Apart from direct financial losses, the excessive issuance of money as a consequence of quasi-fiscal operations may increase the market expectations for inflation and therefore undermine the credibility of the CCB bank in maintaining the value of our currency.
    If we analyse our current situation carefully within this context, we would identify that inflation created as a result of monetary financing of a pro-longed, high deficit will have a negative impact on the economy. This is what Moody’s was trying to explain relative to devaluation of the Barbados dollar.”


  5. Sith | June 12, 2014 at 9:05 AM |

    I am surprised nobody is talking about how to increase our FX income. We need to get tourists coming back here in large numbers.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It isn’t only costs. I am sure costs in Africa are way lower than in the UK yet people all over the world will be trekking to the UK as Tourists long before they consider Africa if they consider it at all.

    It is the product I believe that attracts the tourist. Cost is minor consideration.

    The removal of lands from agriculture has been the biggest change to our tourism product.

    Why would anyone come here to see a lot of houses?

    It was our husbandry of the land that set us apart.

    Sun, sand and sea are available all over.


  6. Again, there could NEVER be such things really as a revaluation – upwards or downwards, and an appreciation or depreciation of the Barbados Dollar or any other currency where so ever.

    It is illogical and unscientific for any one to state or continue to state that there are these kinds of events that could take place in Barbados, or that these are the kinds of events that have taken place in many other countries of this world.

    What will happen in the foreseeable future in Barbados under either of these two intellectually and politically backward and discredited DLP or BLP governments is that there will be a change in the ratios that exist presently between the Barbados Dollar and the US Dollar and certain other currencies, from 2 BDS to 1 US, to ?, and which will see the relevant people operating these different currencies based on such a change in the ratios in the local and international money monetary system.

    Indeed, it is seen by many people across the world, how many other people pass various currencies between themselves on the basis of the existing ratios of certain different currencies and too how these ratios are constantly made by the relevant people to change – one against the relevant others – in certain quarters of the international currency systems.

    The currency ratios even imply that there are no relationships that exist between the Barbados Dollar and the US Dollar and certain other currencies.

    PDC


  7. Cheffette and KFC fix their prices by some overseas index that some how exposes the falling value of the local dollar, It is done to offset the affect of inflation on their bottom lines, If in fact there were a devaluation, their pricing policy would result in an automatic adjustment, The doctors, accountants and Cabinet Ministers would would quickly follow suite, and if you threaten them some of them would lef the premises (Some of them should …)


  8. BAFBFP wrote ” some of them would lef the premises”

    Tell them don’t come to Canada because FOI would tell out da business.

    Example:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/11/former-finance-minister-jim-flahertys-will-reveals-relatively-modest-net-worth/


  9. Unless and until many more people in Barbados get these fundamentals ( as the PDC has been enunciating under the relevant lead articles) clearly understood and correctly practice them, there will continue to be this undiluted constancy of intellectual rubbish by many persons especially persons who ought know better, that will continue to help darken the macro-financial picture of Barbados, and that will continue to help make many things financial worse and worse for this country, and better and better for many other persons, across the world, that will more than capitalize on these particular intellectual disadvantages of the many people here in this country.

    So, what utter claptrap about a devaluation of a currency!!

    PDC


  10. Wily Coyote | June 11, 2014 at 7:50 PM |

    @Walter Blackman

    Your example very clearly explains what happens when a Government prints too many $’s, humm — does this not sound like the situation Barbados is presently in ????

    The 12 weeks of FOREX cover being used is a very arbitrary figure with little or no basis. I personally think the Forex cover should be based on the amount of Barbados dollars in circulation and not an arbitrary 12/15 week figure. It is difficult to get an accurate figure, from the Central Bank information available, to determine exactly how may Barbados dollars are presently in circulation, which would no doubt shed/highlight the FOREX issues in Barbados.

    Wily Coyote | June 11, 2014 at 8:00 PM |

    @ David
    “What if the printing of money is to mainly satisfy government’s servicing of bond and TB redemption?”

    I suspect this is not why the government is printing money as the NIS funds are being rolled over and over for these purposes. The printing of money for this purpose will only happen once the NIS funds are exhausted, not to far in the future I suspect. The printing of money is to cover payrolls for government civil servants, boards, agencies, etc.


  11. govt must bring out the iron glove using it in the most effective way to collect the millions of loans owed ..no time for procrastanation.those who want to leave ..leave..as a result some investment propertieswould be sold at low market price attractive enough initiative and encouragement to outside investors..and as a result guareenting a financial boost .however govt must have the balls and support of the public..especially from those who are asked to sacrifice.in the meanwhile a call for marches by the blp yardfowls is unwise and only guarantees a devastation of social upheaveal sending a wrong message and a tarnishing of our political image

  12. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Walter Blackman

    In a related thread you made the following comment:

    “The lesson to be learnt here is that responsible governments tackle their debt problems by using debt restructuring techniques. Irresponsible, unenlightened governments print money instead.”

    Would you be prepared to say a similar situation exists in Barbados and could you please comment on the role of the Central Bank in the perpetration of this irresponsible act?
    Would you agree that such monetary recklessness will inevitably lead to an adjustment in the trading value of the currency and very little to do with the bogey international recession.

    We can say with much certainty that the IMF is indeed monitoring the stupidity of the current administration aided and abetted by the CBB. If the CBB continues to ‘accommodate’ this feckless administration then the citizens cannot seek to blame the rating agencies or attack the IMF when a downward adjustment in the value of its currency is demanded like the proverbial ‘pound of flesh’ when this administration is forced to meet the one-sided terms and conditions imposed by the lender of last resort.


  13. @ Sith
    But if there is a devaluation ….then although MORE tourists will be coming (because they can afford to), they will be spending less foreign currency to enjoy a holiday in Barbados. So a 50% devaluation would need to spur a 200% increase in arrivals / spending in order to just keep at current income levels……while incurring a 200% increase in the forex COST of supporting these tourists with imported stuff…..a daunting prospect.

    FAR MORE VIABLE to seek to maintain the current peg WHILE just as radically reducing costs to visitors by:
    – massive increases in productivity.
    – salary adjustments to match actual performance (right now that means pay cuts)
    – massive substitution of local inputs as a matter of policy
    – institutionalization of meritocracy as a national policy.


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  15. @bush tea

    Any increase in arivals would be better than what is going on now. We have 12 weeks or so coverage in FX. So if it keeps going the way it is, it is just a matter of time before we can no long stock the hotels with imported items…then what?

  16. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Bush Tea | June 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM |
    “FAR MORE VIABLE to seek to maintain the current peg WHILE just as radically reducing costs to visitors by:
    – massive increases in productivity.
    – salary adjustments to match actual performance (right now that means pay cuts)
    – massive substitution of local inputs as a matter of policy
    – institutionalization of meritocracy as a national policy.”

    The above are indeed attractively superior alternatives to a significant adjustment to the currency peg.

    The question is who would be prepared to push them through. Certainly not the current lot on both sides of the political fence.
    A devaluation would be much more timely, across the board and effective in making Bajans live within their means.


  17. @ Walter Blackman

    you stated…“The lesson to be learnt here is that responsible governments tackle their debt problems by using debt restructuring techniques. Irresponsible, unenlightened governments print money instead.”

    Debt restructuring works if the DEBT is held by an offshore entity, unfortunately the majority of Barbados DEBT is held locally by a few unsuspecting Bajans, local insurance companies and most by the NIS. Debt restructuring is this instance would be ineffective, it would just pass the government debt responsibility to local entities.


  18. @ Miller
    “….The question is who would be prepared to push them through…”
    ++++++++++++++
    Indeed…the process would require a bit of “BUP-ING” …

    …and did you mean to say that a devaluation would be much more timely (and easy for us lazy brass bowls) in making us live within our means…….or did you mean die before our time…….?


  19. @ Wily
    Tell Walter that responsible governments tackle their debt problems by LIVING WITHIN THEIR MEANS, meeting their obligations, and by AVOIDING liabilities that they CANNOT AFFORD.


  20. The issue of printing money by the Central Bank is important because of how the IMF and international financial institutions and rating issues have responded to it. For all the concerns expressed the question which the government has to answer is if there is fallout as a result of the government’s position on the issue of printing money. Another question is if this is Governor Worrell’s position approved by the Economic Council.


  21. As I have been recommending for years, Bim must take this situation very seriously and take a NON PARTISAN approach and set up a Meeting of the very cleverest and Successful Bajans who defintely have the ability to SOLVE these major PROBLEMS. The DLP should NOT worry as they are FINISHED politically for the foreseeable future and therefore should finally place the NATION FIRST!

  22. Reincarnation And Rasta Culture Avatar
    Reincarnation And Rasta Culture

    Poverty is a Crime.
    Disparities in Global FX are no accident they are deliberate

    Canadians don’t buy Roti from BBD so it is only a hypothetical.
    Local foods should be affordable to Locals as exported foods are unaffordable to them. Canadians don’t like Roti’s they like Fish and Chips. Examples should be quoting prices of woman to reflect reality in hard times
    to boost the tourist trades for exotic food

  23. Steve greenidge Avatar
    Steve greenidge

    The major problem with the pro devaluation argument is that the proponents continue to be theoretical when there are real world examples. The bottom line with the $10 roti scenario is that it will not remain $10. And this is especially true for barbados where all the inputs are imported. Any gain is very short term. If one takes jamaica as an example, salaries rise to compensate for devaluation. And in fact some salaries are higher in Jamaica when compared to similar positions in Barbados.
    Likewise for the cost of most things. Since things like hotel rates are quoted in US$, it has no effect on tourist cost. The only cheap commodity is labour at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder resulting in significant widening of income gap and all it’s social side effects.
    There has be no dampening for demand for imported goods and services which puts pressure on demand and leads to further devaluation.
    This is not a sterile academic issue, there are ample examples to use as case studies.


  24. It’s not true that most inputs are imported. Salaries, rent and land tax for example are all local costs which would not automatically increase due to a devaluation.

  25. Steve greenidge Avatar
    Steve greenidge

    @weston, theory again. Real world shows they do. Electricity, transport food etc, WILL increase, and therefore salaries will have to increase. And these costs are not as local as you think. Besides you cannot think of the roti in isolation. Apart from many of the roti ingredients are imported(yes), chef fetes overheads will also increase which means the rotisserie will increas

  26. Steve greenidge Avatar
    Steve greenidge

    Not to mention that when jca started its slide, rents especially for commercial property started to be quoted in US$


  27. @Bushie
    U lashing Caswell proper!!!
    Plenty Govt employees are NOT workers! Productivity bound to improve if U fired dem rass! Those leff at work would get busy! Does Caswell really believe that those in Public Works have ever put in a full 5 hrs farless a proper days work??? Dem fellas might put in 2 hrs/ day occasionally!

    Bim MUST follow Singapore’s INTEGRITY Legislation and also PAY the key MPs at least $550,000/ yr. Anyone caught THEEFING after that will receive a MINIMUM 5yrs HARD Labour! We MUST attract the very best MPs possible!


  28. debt restructing is good .but the problem seems to be that what gains are gotten usually remained in the hands of those who cause the financial mess giving them another chance of wasting and the piling on of more debt and prolonged agony.


  29. The key problem is Pols who are CROOKED and STUPID, who dont give a rass for the PEEPS. This is endemic in the WESTERN World. They will never do what is correct, they only want to CON the voters into believing that MONEY CREATION solves all concerns. NO!. Excessive $$$ printing without sensible investment in Job creation and productivity leads to BANKRUPTCY!

    This is why Singapore’s BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIP has proven exceedingly successful! NO BS, just what is correct for the Nation!

  30. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Steve greenidge | June 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM |

    Your real life observations on the drawbacks of a devaluation and its wider social implications for an economy like Barbados are cogently put over.

    However, you are assuming that there are practical alternative solutions to the predicament the country finds itself in.
    Only radical and invasive surgery can at this stage offer some hope of making Bajans face up to the realties of a competitive economic existence and having to pay the price for years of high living off other people’s money, fiscal mismanagement and monetary irresponsibility like the printing of Mickey mouse money that does not have any international value.

    The country and its citizens were warned over and over again about the inevitable consequences of such behaviour and those sounding the alarm were scoffed at and labeled prophets of doom and gloom despite of the fact there were examples of such basket cases already in the region and beyond.

    Can you come up with alternatives other than receiving large forex inflows in the next 3 months to stave off what is really heading your way?

  31. Walter Blackman Avatar
    Walter Blackman

    Bush Tea
    @ Walter
    I view the printing of money as an increase in the money supply without an associated or corresponding increase in products or services. Offsetting ‘book entries’ cannot create a net increase.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “How then would you describe a situation where a Government negotiates a loan for Bds $10M to build an administrative complex/ police station/ coast guard base/ oil terminal/ poly clinic / Marina ….etc …which is finally completed at a book cost of $30M?
    …due to “over-runs”
    You, like Caswell, have a way of making unintentional absolute statements. This is dangerous.”

    Bush Tea,
    Whenever the dust settles and the bribes, squandermania, kickbacks and other cost overruns are accounted for, the final cost of the over-priced building amounts to BDS$30 million.
    If government only received $10 million in funding, an extra $20 million must now be found. Where does it come from?
    If the government borrows the extra $20 million from investors, or taxes the population to get it, there is no printing of money.
    If the government cannot get the $20 million by borrowing or taxing, and negotiates to pay the building contractor $10 million each year for the next two years, there is no printing of money.
    On the other hand, if the government asks the Central Bank to make the $20 million available, then money has now been printed.

  32. Tired of AC's Blind Partisanship Avatar
    Tired of AC’s Blind Partisanship

    So Tired of Reading AC’s daily BS on BU:

    While I respect free speech at all cost …. AC’s active contribution to BU represents exactly what is “wrong” with Barbados. We have people like AC that as so partisan in everything they do and say that their love of Barbados is totally lost in the sauce. Folks like AC are are so smart they are foolish to say the least ….

    For folks like AC every single contribution must be from some odd partisan perspective from 10 years ago, no matter how destructive it is to Barbados today. And they care not one bit for the close to 50% of Bajans that did not vote for what is the worst government in Barbados history.

    Constantly … Constantly looking backwards when a mac truck is barreling down right in front of them about to knock their heads off … And trust me when the damage has reached it’s MAX, the Barbados dollars has been devalued, unemployment is at 30%, foreign reserves are at 2 week, crime is on the rise … they will be saying the same things, or simply disappear into the night never to be hear again …

    AC is one clear example where free speech can go wrong.

    Sorry AC I’m on BS overload ….


  33. If we follow Miller’s last comment read we have no workable viable alternatives based on precedent setting, and devaluation when implemented in countries of similar characteristics starts a slide. What next then?


  34. When the directors of a company willfully and wantonly destroy said company are they not or should the not be required by law to accept responsibility? Should this sorry lot just be able to walk away from the destruction of Barbados as you and I know it simply by “losing their seat” in the House of Assembly? What is being done and has been done to Barbados would be considered a criminal offense had it been done to an animal far less a county and it’s citizens. A ships captain would be held more accountable for ill deeds done to his passengers.
    If this apology for a government goes to hell for judgement, then I don’t want to go there.


  35. We have two issues at play 1)stop the rot read stabilize and 2)charting a way forward to spur growth. Importantly we have to strengthen our governance process by holding public officers accountable.

  36. Curious Non-Economist Avatar
    Curious Non-Economist

    Wily Coyote, June 12, 2014 at 11:52 AM:

    “Unfortunately the majority of Barbados DEBT is held locally by a few unsuspecting Bajans”

    This is a crucial point, probaby the most insighful point made yet in all the BU discussions on this matter. I am amazed that nobody identified it before Mr Wily. 

    Most Bajan government debt is domestic debt, not foreign debt. Keep that in mind.


  37. @ Moneybrain
    That level of thinking probably explains why you got so much damn money…. 🙂
    Somehow Bushie don’t think that we are likely to suffer that same fate…..fortunately, blessed are the poor (in the spiritual sense) …..

    @ Sith
    Any increase in arivals would be better than what is going on now
    ++++++++++
    Boss….we can’t spend “arrivals”.
    More arrivals spending less US$ and costing us more to support (due to the increased numbers)….may not be the easy answer….

    As Owen says…. We should aim to maintain our numbers with QUALITY of product, and improve productivity and local inputs to control costs….


  38. … and to think moneybrain went to Messiah Street High … stupse


  39. @ Walter
    What if the $20M is the amount awarded by the high court as a payable by the government – to be paid some time in the future….

    Keep in mind that we now have a $5M (value) building on which we have already spent $15M and now have an additional $20M in court determined liabilities.

    Of course the BOOKS (had they been done) would show that we have a building worth $15M with further liabilities of $20M – a $35M building.

    Man that extra “money” is more than printed….. 🙂

  40. Curious Non-Economist Avatar
    Curious Non-Economist

    Bush Tea, June 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    “Although MORE tourists will be coming (because they can afford to)”.

    No guarantee of that at all. The international price of jet fuel isn’t going to fall by 50% just because Barbados decides to devalue. It will still cost tourists the same amount to reach Barbados. All high-end hotels will strive to maintain their US$ room rates. There might be some minimal shift at the margin, but never enough to make Barbados a more competitive destination.

    Bush Tea again, with a suggestion:

    “FAR MORE VIABLE to seek to maintain the current peg … by massive substitution of local inputs as a matter of policy”.

    So we can look forward to the emergence of Barbadian industries in footwear, clothing, school textbooks, MP3 players, mobile phones, all computer apparatus, televisions, all vehicles, petroleum and by-products (such as electricity), pens, hats, jet-skis, paper clips, almost all fruit, paper, shampoo, razors, and so forth for ever.

    Remind me, what exactly is it that Barbados produces, that can easily substitute for imported items?

    A devaluation would inauguarate such a wrenching economic and social dislocation that the consequences don’t bear thinking about.

    Barbados is like a fat man who wakes up one morning and realises, “oh, I had three cakes yesterday, but today I can only have one cake.”

    It is screamingly obvious what any government of Barbados has to do in order to lead the nation out of this calamity. And it is screamingly obvious that the people in the government know what should be done. 

    What they don’t know (and it wouldn’t matter which party was in office) is how to do those things and then get re-elected. Their political survival is the nation’s catastrophe.


  41. @ tired of ac….i guess u are one of those who owes the taxpayers money which ac suggest that should be collected.just take careful note ac free speech is truth a truth that should be included in the direction of good fiscall policy and not one of pontification and wild geese solutions ..if i were u instead of trying to bash ac i would remain undercover instead of shamelessly overexposing my dumb a.ss for others to see. ..thief.


  42. Please stay focused on the issue and ignore the silly side comments. Do what BU does, delete/scroll comment you have no interest in reading.


  43. I say.I have a good idea. Lets rebuild dear old Bim.
    From the floor up.
    All shiney sparkly and Brand new .
    Like a Virgin,in the words of the song
    Make it THE MOST wonderful place on earth.
    Joyously sing its praises
    Then organise a massive party to celebrate
    and then????????

    and then??????
    AND THEN???

    hmmMMM???
    THEN WHAT???

    We hand it BACK to same thieves, criminals,shysters, robbers, perverts

    THAT DESTROYED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
    WHAT THE FKUK ARE YOU ALL DISCUSSING HERE??

    PLEASE; one of you explain to me the collective madness that makes you wish to wax lyrical, prophetic. erudite on the salvation of this dear old rock and yet NOT ONE of proposing to ATTACK the ROOT CAUSE.

    DEvaluation, money printing, corruption, shagging the woman next door and maybe the one up the street,playing with your balls,or the neighbours,if you are in a one sex marriage area.

    NONE of it matters ONE FKUCK.
    ITS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN OR IS HAPPENING NOW ANYWAY!!!.

    UNDER THIS POLITICAL SYSTEM.
    YOU ALL JUS GAFFIN,passing time , passing wind.

    For CHRISTSAKE GET REAL OR SHUT UP


  44. @tired of ac…in correction ..let me reiterate this time forcefully and eloquently…u ought to be ashamed to overexposed your dumb a.ss for all to see…thief…what so wrong with calling for monies owed to govt only a person who is guilty of such a criminal actwouldwant to shut the mouth of those who dare speak such truth…it is not yourmoney jerk and it should be repaid forthwith.the time has come for govt to take action against those who have ripped of the tax payers and now sit back expecting the poor to do the heavy lifting jerk..

  45. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Curious Non-Economist | June 12, 2014 at 3:28 PM |
    “What they don’t know (and it wouldn’t matter which party was in office) is how to do those things and then get re-elected. Their political survival is the nation’s catastrophe.”

    Very good critique of current situation and the trite observation of the obese Bajan society’s propensity to consume imported goods.

    Now tell us what you see that MUST be done, even if the political administration has to bite the bullet and forego re-election.
    Give us at least three proposals that can be implemented other than those ineffective measures already undertaken by the current administration.


  46. @Bafffy
    U ment Crumpton University!


  47. Moneybrain……..when did you know any politicians in Barabados, except Errol Barrow to some extent, which one in the DLP do you think will give up the current salary, perks, connections to self-enrichment, please be truthful.


  48. Hants……..thanks, just saw your post on the previous thread, foolish me thinking Barbados still owned Eclipse and that the Trinis only manufactured it, i guess the last list of entities except for Transport Board, we know that will go to Harris if the DLP allows it, will all soon be on the block for sale…..hmm


  49. @ millertheanunnaki wrote
    “Give us at least three proposals that can be implemented other than those ineffective measures already undertaken by the current administration”

    What is needed are short term solutions leading to long term stability.

    Find a way to slow down imports of non essential items.
    Miller you already suggested banning cars over 1600cc.
    I would go a step further. A one year import ban on all cars.

    Slash the food import bill concurrently with a massive increase in agricultural production.
    Think about this. It used to take 8 weeks to grow broilers and 1 week to clean the pens and put in fresh bagasse.
    Now it takes 6 weeks. The chicken production industry can be fast tracked.

    It is time for the Rich capitalist patriots to find ways to help Barbados.The Government appears to be unable to borrow money for capital works so the private sector needs to step up to the plate.

    How about you moneybrain?


  50. the rich capitalist,,no body wants to offend them ,they are the sacred cows,,they have all but kidnapped and paralyzed the minds of barbadians politicians while holding the country ransom,…. especially now times are hard they believe that the country can ill afford to do without them..they will sit back and protect what theirs while the poor taxpayers monies which was used to bail them out in times of plenty goes unaccounted and uncollected,,that is the truth,,,,all this devaluation talk is like living in a fools paradise,,,,and the rich captalist loves it .more money in their bank accounts while the working stiff suck salt,,,,,

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