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‘I’d rather go to hell than worship a homophobic God’

South African Nobel peace laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu
Emphatic: Archbishop Tutu said today's struggle for gay rights in Africa was on a par with the struggle to end apartheid
Archbishop Tutu said today’s struggle for gay rights in Africa was on a par with the struggle to end apartheid – Read full article in the  Mail Online

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125 responses to “A Homophobic God!”


  1. John Mortimer

    On Proust, Yourself

    You’d better get some glasses. Finer points seem to elude you. (ps I do know when Erasmus was around – oh dear – good line though). You are right about the play title.

    David

    Are you running a business? Does that mean you are utterly without sincerity? err…….

    Bush Tea…of Miller

    ‘Your arrogance will prevent you….’

    Are you actually capable of learning anything at your age? Time to change the pampers before your afternoon rest.


  2. @Ross

    The head of any business will ‘sincerely’ make decisions in the interest of said business.


  3. @ Baffy
    Bush Tea…Your tone towards those who are different is always grossly insulting. Abomination is a HORRIBLE word.
    **************
    How is it going to be possible for a lowly bushman to be “always grossly insulting” to others? ….a bushman? An old fossil? (ac, 2013)… Don’t mek joke…! 🙂

    …only because it is you Baffy, Bushie will explain why this PARTICULAR issue is an abomination…and why is PROPERLY so described…

    Our world was DESIGNED with a specific intent in mind. That intent is spiritual in nature, far reaching, and unprecedented in scope.

    In building the physical world as we are able to sense it, the designers (don’t want to say BBE cause Miller would start cussing the bushman…) created physical systems which effectively mimic the spiritual design.
    …for example, the family relationship as traditionally outlined, represents the larger spiritual relationship designed between BBE (the Father) the Church (the wife) and the children…. The young uns…

    The physical processes of intimacy, conception, pregnancy and birth all closely represent spiritual designs related to the successful adoption of a successful lifestyle here on earth and the growth and development needed for readiness for the next possible birth into a new (spiritual) family relationship.

    This means that the concepts of manhood and sexuality are respectively actually representative of BBE, and of the “BBE-Church” relationship spiritually.

    Now none of this makes head or tails sense to you,……. but try to understand the implications of homosexuality for someone who ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS the real symbolism being played out here….
    ….or maybe not. 🙂
    …but trust Bushie. It IS an abomination.


  4. anon

    In the words of Bush Tea …”Hush do!”

    Bush

    Today women can walk into a shop and purchase sperm for procreation purposes. The Great Engineer, should he be worthy of the term must have programmed for this eventuality. How do you expect as a Bushie to interpret it’s significance as relevant to a spiritual evolution? You are mortal, with a few years left. Condescend all you want, hell that is part of the Christian narrative, but lef’ out the insults nah.

    Bullers are NOT criminals nor should they be compared to such, nor are they afflicted in ANYWAY. They are simply a part of the human experience, a mental part, as opposed to a physical part (eg. dwarfism)

  5. alvin cummins Avatar

    @Georgie
    I agree with you. There is no genetic element one only has to look at ancient Roman and Greek societies when homosexuality was the norm in certain elements of the society, I might add that all the leaders of those societies engaged in these acts; Julius Caesar, Alexander, etc. It was and remains a societal preference. I also detest the use of the word “gay” what does Gay as defined have to do with sexual practice.

  6. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BAFFY
    opposed to a physical part (eg. dwarfism)

    DWARFISM DOES HAVE A GENETIC ORIGIN; BOTH THAT DUE TO ACHONDRAPLASIA AND THAT DUE TO PITUITATY PROBLEMS IN SOME CASES, BUT BULLING AND WICKING, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THE GENETIC DEFECTS.

  7. alvin cummins Avatar

    In my book “The Wind Also Listens”, the subject is handled with some understanding from the aspect of the homosexual (GaGa) being ujnable to “escape” from the “prison of his feelings” even though he desires to , but cannot escape from what he has been socialized to become, by his own mother. I am sure you, and lots of others would like the book. Available from Amazon.dom


  8. Dont mess wid my tu tu
    suck my big toe
    acceptance of bol bullurs
    is a sign of endtimes
    World came to end in March 2012
    you all not in a dream
    Wa00ke up !!
    but mess not wid my trampoline



  9. @bushie i did not called u a demeaningname unlike ur tired attacks on ac remember words like stupid demeaning at worst and derogatory to say the least to ac. on more than one occasion even as of a couple days ago u assigned the term to ac as being DUMB calling u a fossil by no way falls into the same catergory as what u have called ac..Fossil means one of prehistoric orgin and by your position on this subjects that clearly identifies YOU as such being outdated and out of touch with realitY


  10. In old days gays were locked up in jail now they are free to be gay
    Who has ownership of marriage laws, Churches or States? maybe it’s CYA Cover Your Arse tactics for all the gay priest abuse charges pending in RC churches with its history of coverups


  11. Georgie

    Again, I do believe (emphasis on believe, as I am NOT qualified to speak on such matters, nor or you, I’m afraid) bulling is a brain thing … something about the complexity of the development of the brain that goes well beyond environment, and conscious choice. So we have to disagree … without evidence.

  12. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Baffy

    Im here learning
    One intellectual said bulling is genetic, but no one can tell me the gene involved or the mode of transmission

    Now you are teaching me that bulling is a brain thing … involving the complexity of the development of the brain that goes well beyond environment, and conscious choice.
    What next? Who next?


  13. @ ac
    WAIT…you like you looking for apologies from Bushie for insulting you on a regular basis….- 🙂
    ….AT ALL!!!
    ..tek dat! …..you like you ain’t all that tough after all… 🙂

    @ Baffy
    You are right.
    All like now so, the whole designed arrangement has been turned upside down. Marriage means nothing. manhood means nothing, righteousness means nothing. Bad is good and good is bad….

    …put another way, “the first has become last and the last first”

    It was long known that this was the signal of the approach of the completion of this phase. Much like the end of the nine month pregnancy period is signaled by stress, tiredness, unexplained tastes or addictions (gooseberries anyone?) and lots of pain in regular spasms…. Perhaps you are beginning to get the picture…

    End of pregnancy, ready for the BIRTH….

    The thing about homosexuality ( and drug addiction BTW) is that their causes are spiritual, and are more complex than our regular science is able to distill, but they both signal a serious and imminent approach of catastrophic changes…..
    …..note, they do not CAUSE it,…but signal it.


  14. Bush

    You assume that we must ALL believe in this spirit thing … I ain’ buying it, sorry. Further, bulling, like hugging and t’ieffing and war and play-writers have been around from the time man first stepped on this world. If ten percent of the human population are gender indifferent today, there is no reason to suggest that the slice was any different two thousand years ago. There nothing about man’s behavior that is any different other than the magnitude and severity of the ramifications of his actions. Sorry, I do not buy the pregnancy thing, but it keeps you going so I WILL NOT JUDGE YOU.

    Georgie

    Man you crack me up .. Serious. But you can’ be learning, cause I sure as hell ain’ teaching. I do not need scientific evidence anymore than White people need the same type of proof that Blacks are indeed inferior cognitively, I have only made the conscientious decision not to JUDGE these people, as I do NOT judge Bush Tea … Perhaps you could find space in your Christian heart to do the same …! 🙂

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    bAFFY

    IS LEARNING I LEARNING MAN WHETHER YOU TEACHING OR NOT
    I AINT JUDGING MAN I LEARNIN


  16. @ bush Tea I am not looking for apologies just trying to shame YOU but it doesn’t look like You have NO SHAME AT ALL!

    However back to the issue at hand it is so interesting that the human rights of gays always ended up with the Fundalmentatist christains bashing the Gays resorting to fear tactics and engaging in spying in the bedroom or “the closet” of the gays, what business is it of anyone what these people do in the privacy of their home. why should there be such an interest.. Why wouldn’t the fundalmentalist engaged openly on the issue of the homosexual human rights as it applies to them having a loving relation with a same sex partner and having the same rights and privileges allowed by law to the heterosexual,,,,, all the others side bar issues are distractions to take away from what the Gays are rightfully asking for……….their human right to be allowed to have a fulfilling relationship with respect and dignity ;laws that would allowed them to be the rightful guardians and care takers of each other in times of crisis , it beehooves me that when this topic is placed on the table the amount of ducking and bobbing and weaving the homophobic presents as “good reason and Cause” for the Gay to be denied basic Human rights, GOD tried to get it under control and for some unknown reason he couldn’t, So pray tell me how the shouting and name calling by the Christain going make homosexuality disappear…….think! Think! it is a reality that the human species must confront as sure as day is day and night is night, God help wunna homophobics , .


  17. anon | July 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM |

    You really believe these African jokers … Stupse! Africa is better than this, a hell of a lot better. A couple of people put on a show for some simpletons and you think it relevant to post on serious f#cking thread. .. BE GONE in Jesus name … HA HA HA 🙂

    Georgie

    Well as long as you learning… stick around and learn how to mek the Great Bush Tea apologize … It comin’ soon. HA HA HA HA

  18. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ BAFBFP | July 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM |

    Your anti-gay friend anon is incapable of separating reality from theatre.

    Nigerians are some of the most enterprising of the black race.
    Just as they have turned Nollywood into a viable and financially successful black alternative to Hollywood they now have turned the theatre of the dying Western Christian Church into a revivalist black equivalent of American televangelism in the mould of Jimmy Swaggart and other white crooks and conmen in the God Business one of the fastest growing and money spinning industries in Africa and among the black Diaspora.

    Ask Lucille Baird if she has not learnt a lot from watching, emulating and learning from the manual “how to get rich from stupid blacks giving money to a white Jesus” that white crook Holmes Williams produced and copyrighted in Barbados and critically immortalized in song by the Mighty Chalkdust.


  19. Georgie Porgie
    “What next? Who next?”
    =
    Sexual preferences are imprinted from youngest sexual experiences
    (which is why some have a thing for old grannies wearing stockings suspenders and high heels)


  20. @ Baffy
    “You assume that we must ALL believe in this spirit thing … I ain’ buying it,”
    *************
    Not at all…. No such assumption. ….but it matters not in the least whether you. believe…except of course to you… LOL

    …and don’t worry about Bushie having to apologise …. It is already in the works…. The bushman having to apologize BIG TIME for his failure to convince BU folks of such a critical truth that has such dire personal consequences….
    BBE has this way of providing warnings via his servants before main events…. LOL….Bushie was going to run like Jonah, but the bushman can’t handle this whale swallowing business…. 🙂


  21. As Mary Quant’s (“MINI*-skirt”)* revolution became the seismic social “netscape” of the 1960’s women’s liberation movement – resulting in an open, visible threat underscoring social male emasculation – a blatant case of feminist gender transgression and an affront to pre-Victorian values…

    Today, few see or recognize that “SEX” has become a form of social control – a form of gender politics of the 3rd Way….

    From the 1960’s “FREE-LOVE” revolution, the fight back began in earnest with today sexual politics’ primary habitation – the LGBT Agenda which has garnered an oxymoronic “civil rights” status that is to be defended by politicians, clergy, academia and business alike…

    Certain sociobiological & doliophysical theories suggest that homosexuality as a genetically based phenomenon rampant throughout Greco-Roman civilizations and then became an emergent phenomenon of a post 18th century Victorian milieu of sexual repressiveness and as Michel Foucault cited as a form of “interior androgyny, a hermaphrodism of the soul”…

    Foucault sees the “birth” of homosexuality as a sexological discourse which began in 1870 based on Westphal’s famous article on “Contrary Sexual Sensations” that served as the matrix within which the embryo germinated… Hence, a 21st agenda that will disastrous consequences given its EUGENICS machinations…

    21st century society and its proponents want to build a “social construct” on the work of Renaissance and Enlightenment philosophers by adjudicating that this emergent genealogical structure (or classification) of “being” – a hybridized variant “specie” of human being that is neither male or female within the morphology of postmodern thinking and given safe passage to justify this phenomenon as a perfectly acceptable part of the apparatus of human existence…

    The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics by Robert Gagnon strikes at the heart of this theological post-modern penchant and practice of clergymen like Desmond TUTU* (blowing his self-deluded Biblical horn) by calling “GOD” into his twisted matchbox debate over whether the CREATOR* God who clearly stated in the same Book he has supposedly read – “In the beginning, I created them both MALE & FEMALE”… I guess Tutu* and his ILK* believe that HE* doesn’t know what HE* is saying!!!

    Good luck to these so-called leaders!!!


  22. Terence M Blackett

    My condolences on you recent loss. Nuff said

    Bush Tea

    I tek back the ‘apology’ thing cause you twist it in a way that implies finality in a profound sense. I is a man that want Bush Tea ’round for a long long time so if you got to apologize in the context mentioned … my man, it could wait. HA HA HA HA


  23. Miller

    It makes you sick to the core …!


  24. @the Bush Man

    Blessings on you and your “house” my brother!!!

    Good to see you in fighting form!!!


  25. Miller

    I workin’ on a new product, its called Perma-White; one application should last at least a year before a second treatment is needed. It should help ease some of the pain ..!


  26. @ BAF…

    We appreciate your sentiments and thank you…


  27. too many are too preoccupied with the sexual side of the homosexual and not care to or is interested in the HUMAN Rights of these people. FOR God Sake leave the judgement and condemnation to God and while you are at it Ask GOD to rain down LOVE and PATIENCE and Compassion and most of ALL TOLERANCE in the hearts of every living Human being on the face of this earth be they GAY or STRAIGHT black OR WHITE ! Man ior woman ! Boy or girl.. African or any ethnic group,living under the sound of his VOICE,,, LET FREEDOM RING …GAYS ARE PEOPLE TOO ! PEACE AND OUT……..


  28. Bush Tea………………..knowing how they like to make it up as they go along to suit their financial adventures, i would bet anything 100-200 years from now that same very bible yall like to quote chapter and verse will be saying NOT BEING HOMOSEXUAL IS AN ABOMINATION………..you cannot quote a white written bible, they will change the context and make you look like a fool, nothing personal, they just like to make it up to suit their own agenda, the same very bible will also be saying 200 years from now that there were never slaves in existence, particularly black slaves, that would eliminate the liability of paying any reparations to descendants of slaves, yall better get with the program or get left behind or get re-enslaved.


  29. Terence M Blackett makes a case on July 29, 2013 at 7:07 PM:

    “Today, few see or recognize that “SEX” has become a form of social control – a form of gender politics of the 3rd Way….”

    Does anybody know what the phuck this means? Does it mean anything?

    By the way, Terry, good to see that you amended your academic qualifications. The question abides, though: does Essex University grant any qualification known as “N/A”?

  30. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Terence M Blackett | July 29, 2013 at 7:07 PM |
    “Desmond TUTU* (blowing his self-deluded Biblical horn) by calling “GOD” into his twisted matchbox debate over whether the CREATOR* God who clearly stated in the same Book he has supposedly read – “In the beginning, I created them both MALE & FEMALE”…”

    Pastor Blackett, Your worshipful Sir, you need to shed more light on the above statement in light of the following statements dictated by your god to an imperfect murderer of Egyptian origins allegedly called Moses.

    Chapter 1 of the Jewish Creation myth:

    Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

    So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.
    28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

    Chapter 2 of the Jewish contradicting Creation myth:
    “The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
    18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
    19 “Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.”
    “But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.”

    “That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.”

    Pastor Blackett Sir, it appears that- to a simple layman like me- the Lord God carried out two separate creations.
    One when he created mankind both male and female including the parents of a man, his mother and father whom he should leave when he wants to multiply with a female.
    And the other when he genetically modified Adam and created a clone called Eve a female and a possible improved smarter and more serpentine version of Adam.
    And what is this “let us make man in our own image” confusing thing is all about?
    Did the Lord God seek assistance in this Elohim act of the first experiment of Genetic Engineering on animals?
    Sounds a bit too much of Bushie’s BBE at work in the lab!

    Can you imagine Adam calling the two dinosaurs found in the Garden of Eden Tyrannosaurus Rex & Regina!

    Only people of naïve child-like minds like you, Bushie and Zoe would believe in these myths and fairy tales of yore.


  31. I do not like Bullers. Bullers are dirty and nasty


  32. It’s always the poorest of the poor who follow those knuckledraggers calling themselves the vatican.

  33. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ JUST ASKING | July 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM |

    It’s good sometimes to look into the mirror and see thy true self. There is no better reflection of your own character than what you see in others.

    “[T]hou canst not think worse of me than I do of myself.” ― Robert Burton, The Anatomy of Melancholy


  34. Terry,

    All best wishes to you and yours.

    What qualification did you actually get at Essex University? “N/A” is not a degree conferred by Essex. Did Essex University really give you any kind of academic recognition? There’s no shame if it didn’t. There’s only shame if you claim falsely that it did.


  35. When I read (to the disdain of some), Minister Farrakhan’s piece entitled: “Homosexual Behavior as Population Control?” Some of the most pivotal questions needed to be answered:

    “Does “genetic disposition” suffice to excuse a behavior that may be antisocial? Do White people have a right to subjugate Black people because Whites innately believe that they are better than Blacks? Are White people’s feelings of superiority and racist actions toward Blacks excusable because they may have a genetic disposition to dominate and destroy Black populations?”

    If these questions which Farrakhan pose hold any kind of validity or legitimacy – then, underlying the cesspit of unbridled hate by the “Elite” for people of color who are still kings, queens, priests & singers…


  36. There’s a war coming!!! It is a bio-egineered, spiritual war and it will tackled head on every man, woman, boy and girl (without restraint) in our lifetime…

    The “coming war” is unlike any battle mankind has ever fought… Few are prepared to grasp intellectually far less handle what is approaching mankind!!! In the days ahead as prophesied – “will be like a no other time since the world began…”

    So while we fight & jockey each other for ascendency and a self-imposed sense of crafty loftiness in a world deceived by its own idiocy….

    Yet we ignore to our detriment the “elephant” in the room – spurious hateful intent shackled to a class of people who do not have a right to survival, far less God-given existence…

    Blind fools!


  37. Terence M. Blackett educates us on October 5, 2010 at 9:53 AM:

    “DAVID @ BU
    “Let’s face it David – in today’s world, you cannot take a position on so-called “white” Ashkenazi jews – PERIOD… without some form of backlash…They are quick to play the “holocaust” victim card….”

    Terry: it’s never a good idea to write out your punctuation, especially if you fail to put a period after the word “PERIOD”. It makes you look like a clown, er, period.

    Ah, the Holocaust. What a downer that was. And what do you know of it, Terry, question mark? Did you learn about it while you were earning yojur “N/A” degree at Essex University, question mark?


  38. IT IS PERSONAL* guys!!!

    False “PROPHETS” walk amongst us and we love their lies…

    We choose sides in a devilish alliance in order to curry favour…

    Few will be able to stand in those day just up ahead!!! Sheep will tear shepherds to pieces for the lies, abnegation, and the insults heaped on God’s true servants…

    So let the “chief” mutant leaders of Lucifer’s Satanic government and army – especially those amongst us reveal themselves now … The time has come for you to emerge out of the dark!!!


  39. Terence M Blackett complains on July 29, 2013 at 9:10 PM:

    “IT IS PERSONAL* guys!!! False “PROPHETS” walk amongst us and we love their lies.”

    I’m not a false prophet, Terry. I just want to know if you are falsely claiming to have been honoured with a degree by Essex University, full stop. This is not so hard, full stop. You do have a degree, right Terry, from Essex University, question mark?


  40. jesus was also called a False prophet in his time . He was scorned and laughed at and questioned about his identity. usually people who fly high above the radar with a view that immortal man cannot see or accessed are maligned and ridicule . so if TUTU is place in such a category as a falsehood prophet he is in good circles, it takes hundreds of years before these people are accepted for the truth they bring to mankind whilst alive . However their good deeds are brought to life in death as they become immortalized Desmond TUTU would be remembered and revere in such a time ..


  41. You know nothing, ac. I knew Jesus (or ‘Jeez’ as he asked me to call him).

    Jeez was a very humble guy. He liked fish. He liked wine, from time to time. He liked to be a vagabond in Judea. Me and the guys (Pete, Andy, Bart and the others) used to like to sit in the shade of the olive trees and smoke a little hemp. Jeez always got giggly after a few tokes. Jeez was a good guy, nothing remarkable, and his mother was annoying. His rebellion against the Romans didn’t turn out too well, especially for him, but he was a pretty cool guy apart from the sandals. Jeez NEVER changed his sandals, not even when he was walking on water, and that was a bit of a prob for Pete and Andy and Bart and the others. We were only fishermen, but at least we changed our sandals.

    Anyway, Jeez was an OK dude and you’re right to miss him, even though you never met him. He always went away to fart, and I and Pete and Andy and Bart and the others always admired him for that. Plus the walking-on-water stuff.


  42. Jesus may have been a homo


  43. @ Baffy

    TB Joshua is one of the major prophets in the world right now. A recent prophesy which occurred a few days ago was the train which derailed in France.

    He prophesied of the shooting in the cinema is the US and the bombing in Boston. On Sunday he said he saw a vision of a plane crashing in an Asian country shortly after take-off. When this does occur and its all over CNN you may remember this thread.

    Persons travel from all over the world to visit the SCOAN church at Lagos. The church has a branch in London which does the same thing. Persons from all over the world travel to the London branch for healing and deliverance.


  44. anon alerts Baffy de lil’ Bajn Rapis’ on July 29, 2013 at 10:18 PM:

    “@ Baffy

    TB Joshua is one of the major prophets in the world right now.”

    No. He isn’t. Except for the deeply feeble of mind (granted, Barbados is jam-packed from coast to coast with them).


  45. anon alerts Baffy de BAFBFP de lil’ Bajan rapis’ an all o we to his woeful ignorance on July 29, 2013 at 10:18 PM:

    “@ Baffy

    “TB Joshua is one of the major prophets in the world right now. A recent prophesy which occurred a few days ago was the train WHICH DERAILED IN FRANCE.”

    Mmnnn … you sure yo proph TB got he geography right? Maps are a bitch, especially if you be a scamster from NIgeria. Er, LOL and LULLZ and, er, wuhloss, plus cheese on bread. Wunna???!!!

  46. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ anon | July 29, 2013 at 10:18 PM |
    “TB Joshua is one of the major prophets in the world right now. A recent prophesy which occurred a few days ago was the train which derailed in France.”

    When and where did this train “derailed in France”?

    Let him Joshua convert the hundred of thousands of Nigerian scammers that see fraud as their No.1 vocation and professional pursuit and as an international badge of honour for their fellow countrymen.


  47. @ Baffy

    Polio Jason is the most major prophet in the world right now, much more major than TB Joshua. A recent prophecy which occurred a few days ago was that Angelina Jolie would go to the toilet and evacuate her bowels.

    Polio Jason prophesied that an idiot who likes to refer to himself as a beverage in the third person on a deeply sad Bajan blog would see a vision of a plane crashing in an Asian country AND THEN CRASHING AGAIN in a Polynesian country, AND THEN CRASHING AGAIN in an African country, possibly Nigeria. This is only one of the ways in which Polio Jason is more major than TB Joshua on the prophet front.

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