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Submitted by Douglas
Patricia Alfonso-Dass, President of the BHTA
Patricia Alfonso-Dass, President of the BHTA

Please check the statistics below that I got earlier today from the Caribbean Tourism Organisation.  For ease of scrutiny, Barbados is highlighted in green and St. Lucia is in red. Also look at the % market share and the decline in arrivals this year from the UK for both countries.

Actually, so far this year, our market share has increased, while St. Lucia’s has declined. These stats need no analysis, they are clear. Barbados is ahead of St. Lucia vis-à-vis all arrivals, including those from the UK.

So, I really do not know where Mia Mottley, Clyde Mascoll,  Mrs.Patricia Affonso-Dash from the BHTA, and Mr. Omniscience, aka Peter Wickham, got their figures. They have been telling Barbadians that we are slipping to St. Lucia, and that St. Lucia’s arrivals from the UK are growing by leaps and bounds.

In fact, Wickham stated emphatically the last two Mondays that he was on VOB’s Brass Tacks call-in programme, that all the other tourist destinations in the Eastern Caribbean were doing better than Barbados. We had reached our nadir. Well, check for yourself. Statistics don’t lie, political prostitutes do.

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101 responses to “Mottley, Mascoll, Affonso-Dash, Wickham: Liar Liar Feet on Fire!”

  1. sonia Avatar
    sonia

    It amuses me how some people living in a fantasy world smh

  2. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    Douglas,

    You must be looking at another CTO website that the rest of us.

    2013 – January – April – Long Stay Visitors

    Barbados (all markets) 192,696 – DOWN 7.7 per cent*

    St. Lucia (all markets) 115,150 – UP 2.1 per cent*

    *when compared with 2012.

    If you look purely at EUROPE (the CTO no longer separates the UK on their website –
    Barbados – 83, 968 UP 0.7 per cent* (587 people)
    St. Lucia – 34,935 DOWN 0.8 per cent* (279 people)

  3. David (not BU) Avatar
    David (not BU)

    some people just don’t understand how to read numbers.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    @Adrian

    A careful read of the submission one gets the impression that the author contacted the CTO directly.

  5. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    I am sure a statistician can do a far better job than me – but as I read the figures B’dos arrivals dropped c 16000 so far in 2013 as compared with 2012 whereas St Lucia arrivals have increased. Barbados is also down on specifically UK arrivals as compared with the drop in St Lucia arrivals from UK.

  6. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    FOR THE RECORD –

    Long Stay Visitors (all markets)

    2012 Barbados down 5.5 per cent – St. Lucia down 1.8 per cent
    2011 Barbados up 6.7 per cent – St. Lucia up 2.1 per cent
    2010 Barbados up 2.6 per cent – St. Lucia 9.9 per cent
    2009 Barbados down 8.7 per cent – St. Lucia down 5.8 per cent
    2008 Barbados down 0.9 per cent – St. Lucia up 2.9 per cent

    So for the 5 years (inclusive) of this administration

    Barbados DOWN 5.8 per cent
    St. Lucia UP 7.3 per cent

    If the CTO figures on their website are wrong, I am sure someone will correct them.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    @Adrian

    Barbados will always have more arrivals than St.Lucia, the point the authors seems to be trying to make is that of the UK arrivals Barbados has gotten the greater marketshare despite showing decline.

  8. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Douglas
    “Statistics don’t lie, political prostitutes do.”

    Yes, we all know there are “Lies, damned lies and Statistics” and which can be expanded to include lying politicians on both sides of the biggest lie factory aka Parliament.

    But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, right Douglas?

    So let us see how your upbeat statistics can be massaged and manipulated to translate into higher foreign reserves (tourists’ spend) and more people employed in the sector instead of being laid off.
    Let us deal with the meat of the matter. The amount of revenue the country earns from this higher market share whether expressed as a raw number or as a percentage and the number of people taken on in the sector.

    Can you confirm that the country’s forex and employment situations have received any boost from your upbeat countervailing statistics?

  9. David Avatar
    David

    @Miller

    Your concern about Barbados falling short of its tourist targets is valid but it seems the gist of the author’s submission is to debunk a position which is being given currency by key players in Barbados i.e. St. Lucia is leaving Barbados in the dust.

  10. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Well there you are then……..the expert (Adrian) has fleshed out the casual observation of the village idiot (me). Can we now say ‘the truth is as plain as the nose on your face’?

  11. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    David, did the BHTA President, Peter Wickham, the Hon. Mia Motley specifically compare UK long stay visitor arrivals between St. Lucia and Barbados or was it numbers (market share) in general?
    I emailed the former BHTA President to try and get the latest Presidents address posted on the BHTA website, but no response yet.
    Of course, until St. Lucia overtakes us with room stock, the overall arrival numbers will always be lower.

  12. David Avatar
    David

    @Adrian

    We know too well that nobody wins the numbers game and it is why people like MAM, Mascoll, Alfonso-Dass, Wickham the statistician must ALWAYS seek to inform the public in an unambiguous way..

  13. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    It occurs to me that if you look at the spirit rather than the letter, the post writer may be wrong and the others right. The others (as a matter of spirit) are saying ‘the picture is pretty bad for the tourist industry’ – something which Adrian and others have been drawing our attention to for centuries. The writer may be saying ‘things are not as bad as they seem’ – which may mean ‘they are bad but not very bad’.
    Mind, I suppose that given the froth in the post it’s all actually about Dems and B’s and so totally loses credibility as a serious something.

  14. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    Robert, some of us are neither DLP or BLP and we are still capable of informed thought. My entire objective is to get our tourism industry working better.

  15. robert ross Avatar
    robert ross

    Adrian

    Of course, and I said as much.

  16. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    Time people treat fellow blogger’s intelligence with respect Douglas, never profess to be what you are not…..We all understand, anyone can make a boo boo sometimes…..but you are in a classroom with some real regal eagles who when they step on some ozzie corns sometimes and bring out some real vocal demons….

  17. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    Looks like I better go get my puddin n souse now…..oh dear oh dear

  18. ac Avatar
    ac

    The truth is that tourism is down throughout the carribbean .JA a well know favourite spot is also singing the blues even with their political guru and tourism architect Butch Stewart..the bahammas anotherv well known favourite is down considerably .i mean all this back and forth by the political dictatorate says nothing.but another attempt to pump fear and confusion .also those in the BHTA going to stop at nothing until there are in full control of the financial resources and it not going to happen

  19. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Wtf is Douglas going on about? Barbados DOWN 7.7% and St.Lucia UP 2.2%. Furthermore Barbados’ arrivals from the UK declined more than St.Lucia’s–about 3 times in total numbers. Could it be as a result of taking some of our usual UK numbers?
    These stats were updated yesterday!!! Therefore the people you are accusing of telling lies were obviously referring to previous stats. Please provide the stats prior to yesterday June 14th. Thaaanks.

  20. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS

    Mottley, Mascoll, Affonso-Dash, Wickham:,,,
    Why cant they all sit down and look at the same info and agree or not one time , Its seems people love the up and down, and who doing the numbers?. They better check the numbers on their Deeds on their way to a CLEAR TITLE.
    The Numbers on paper or not,by the numbers by the time they get them are old, Real numbers is the bottom line and the cash made if any up or down , No ones numbers is ZERO, so all need to be happy . Numbers cant always go up to make people happy, Households in Barbados numbers are down because of fraud and no one cares, So who to care about how many fly here to well over price food and cloths.
    If you want a Bang for your Buck go to Suriname and Guyana Hotel room form 30 us a night and up ,A real plate of food for less than 5$ usd, No VAT at all , what you see is what you pay.
    Even PINE HILL milk is cheaper , oatmeal , cream of wheat , corn,
    Taxi from the airport most is 20 us or 4000GT $,
    All you need to bring is a Brita water filter and you good.
    Crooks in Guyana and Suriname dont wear a suit and tie with titles,
    The crooks look like crooks , so you can see when they are coming lolol.

  21. Well Well. Avatar
    Well Well.

    Plantation……….I swear, someone else asked me to contribute and I said no, let me watch some people make fools of themselves on the blog so I can get a laugh………..but you just hit the nail right on the head, and I had to tell ya, some of those that consider themselves ‘professionals’ should go and rethink their comments.

  22. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    But david and Adrian I am not sure about the analysis of the numbers being provided generally.

    If I read the table provide here, for the 2012/2013 period UK arrivals to barbados are down 2.5%, while arrivals to st lucia are down 2.1%. Is that correct.

    Overall arrivals to barbados are down 7.7% while st. lucia’s are up 2.1%. Is that correct?

    If these are correct then to me part of the reconciliation comes from the fact that barbados is far more reliant in UK tourists than st. lucia. The table shows that barbados has 32.4% of the uk market share, compared to st. lucias 24.5%A 2.5% decline in UK arrivals has a far larger impact on overall numbers in barbados than a 2.1% UK decline for st. lucia.

    The other explanation would be arrivals from non UK sources.

    It seems to me that arrivals from the UK are down across the board and barbados which is the most UK dependent tourist destination in caricom is by extension the worst affected. I agree with douglas that there is a politically motivated crowd using the numbers to try and state their case.

  23. Dr Love Avatar
    Dr Love

    @Plantation deedsetc
    Guyana,love the place.
    Philfth personified.
    An explosion of the senses.
    In one evening I was pickpocketed ,,propositioned.within minutes.
    The Aberdene steak house in the middle of Georgetown,on the first floor restaurant.
    I was just about to tuck into my med rare and fries and I spied a very hot mulatto chick eyeing me.So I smile back.
    Next second she is at my side,well really at my front.Asking me if I am happy with the way she look.
    I say well .I ent complaining .So she lift her VERY tight ,body clinging top and show her very nice really UPFRONT Bubbies.
    How yuh Like dem?? She says
    En like we in the middle of de place.
    Man I nearly choke on my Med rare.
    Talk bout between the rock and the HARD place.
    But I wus real hungry,for food.
    So I buy her a beer and tell her to “hold the sides” till I done wid my main course”
    NEVER has that happen to me in BARBADHUS!!
    The pickpocketing!!
    When I come to pay somebody had stole my wallet.
    My side order SKEEDADDLED

  24. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    Observer,

    I regret that I cannot confirm your UK numbers, because as I have pointed out, I get my information from the CTO website which shows EUROPE as a lump and does not show the UK specifically.
    HOWEVER, as I stated overall (across all markets) 2012 long stay visitors –
    Barbados DOWN 5.5 per cent
    St. Lucia DOWN 1.8 per cent

    What I was trying to get across that DOUGLAS gave the impression that the various persons mentioned were talking specifically about the UK arrivals, which I do NOT think they were.

    While St. Lucia arrivals have fallen, Barbados have fallen THREE times their level in 2012 and if you look over the last FIVE years then St. Lucia is UP by 7.3 per cent and Barbados is DOWN 5.8 per cent, a differential of over 13 per cent. I really don’t think anyone can dispute this fact.

  25. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS

    Well Well@ thank you, for at times it hard to know who using their head. When i Barbados try to buy sweet bread and milk and half a chicken , salt bread and a small cheese and now BGI sugar look like it 2 times old price. I cant seem to find Maby bark for it all comes sweet and nasty in a bottle. , Some people now want to mix it in Milk.
    We dont think that the people really want to solve any thing, Most of the people get or make 60bds$ per day and bus to get to work and home is at 50$ a week.
    The well off or rich want to live richer and the poor to live poorer . Even my self ,keep it easy for i dont want their number to get higher.
    When in Barbados i stay home and when people come to the island i let them stay by me for free so they may enjoy the island.if not the prices will kill them , We cant be mad at people for being smart with their money.
    Less people are coming for they also getting smart , Ministers want more people to come , Fresh meat to rob them ,
    We say come to Barbados and leave your feet , head and hands away from the Office of lawyers and people selling land .
    It will be soon that you will know you getting rob and the police fraud squad , DPP will do nothing , Lawyers will run and hind as they fool you to come back to see about the case as it postpone 4 to 6 time and more money wasted , Bad news travel fast ,
    How do we know, ?
    L. Bolden and G. Marshall took my family for over 300,000$
    after selling 2 houses in Fld,
    Now they both back in the states with clear titles and no longer married . Welcome to Barbados. Case seem to end, for no refund, no BAR, no police , no court, crooks vs crooks, Must be one of the Backlogged cases in the courts 5 years and running.

  26. Well Well. Avatar
    Well Well.

    Plantation………..if they are waiting for tourists to come and bring loads of money, i wish them all the luck in the world, from where i sit right now it is not going to happen for maybe a decade or longer, they better start using their brains to do something other than cussing and trying to belittle and demean each other.

  27. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    Adrian my interpretation of the numbers is not really so much barbados versus st. lucia. As I read the numbers I see UK arrivals to caricom down generally and barbados as the most uk dependent is going to be the most affected.

    The question that arise for me from the UK data is whether the superior st. lucia performance more about its lower level of reliance on the uk market and the marketing power of sandals, than barbados losing out to st. lucia as its being presented?

    Is the solution more of a better UK strategy or aggressive attempts to diversify? I still feel that tourism players are the best to answer that question.

  28. David Leroy Thompson Parris Avatar
    David Leroy Thompson Parris

    I have more respect for a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he’s wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    @Observer

    This is a question BU posed to Adrian a while ago. Do we have any Caribbean countries which have the same ‘mix’ of source countries for tourists. We have to be discerning in our analysis.

  30. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    what was adrian’s repsonse

  31. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    Quite frankly the argument about one caricom country’s numbers versus the other is spurious without an analysis of the visitor mix. Antigua, Bahamas and Barbados seem to have the worst overall figures on the CTO site. I have always understood Barbados and Antigua to be heavily UK? what are the bahamas issues?

    I say we get Sandals into almond as a way to diversify and enhance marketing muscle? government should buy the property and we build it out via the hilton model.

    St. Lucia has just introduced VAT and the rate is 8% for their hotels. I think ours is 8.5%. Are water and electricity for hotls subsidized in st. lucia

  32. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    If you take out the politics, douglas has helped fine tune the analysis by drawing attention to the UK figures.

    In light of that data, with all due respect I find some of the Barbados / st. lucia comparison nonsensical from a statistical view point. Barbados gets almost 2.5 times more arrivals from the Uk, than st. lucia,is it terribly surprising that st. lucia will grow faster than barbados in the uk market. barbados would have to attract so many more visitors than st. lucia just to have the same growth rate.

    what explains our UK declines? I would like to hear more from our tourism experts.

  33. Keeping them honest Avatar
    Keeping them honest

    Observer | June 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM |
    what was adrian’s repsonse
    ————————

    Adrian not responding that doesnt fit his paradigm. He alike Dass, Mascoll, bull-ee boy Wickham are keen on one common objective placing Barbados in the worst possible light. Mottley’s distortions are linked to power hunger.

    CTO arrival figures at June 14- Barbados 193,000; St.lucia 115,000. Barbados received 80,000 more visitors than St.Lucia. St. Lucia is NOT GETTING more tourists than Barbados as the liars above in cooperation with the Nation newspaper would have the public believe. Case proved and closed.

    Unemployment in BIM 11.9%. Unemplyoment in St. Lucia 28%

    The trend shows Barbados arrival numbers should jump for Crop Over and again in Nov/Dec. Barbados should end the year as it always does way ahead of St. Lucia in arrivals. A visiting dignatary last month alluded to the impressive airlift into Barbados. He said no destination in the eastern Caribbean can match Barbados’ airlift.

    The markets from which Barbados draws its tourists are in recession thats 99% of the reason arrivals to Barbados have fallen only idiots or political prostitutes would state otherwise.

  34. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    Observer,

    YES! I think we should look at how we do business in the UK again. In fact I had already written about this hopefully in will be published in the Barbados Business Authority tomorrow.

    David,

    I cannot see that it is helpful trying to compare the mix of source markets in any other Caribbean territory, at least in The Eastern Caribbean because the airlift is a critical factor. St. Lucia traditionally has had a higher proportion of US arrivals and that is why they can sustain 5 flights a week from Atlanta and three Sandals properties, while we cannot maintain one (flight or hotel).

    We seem to be getting away from the original Douglas post, which was completely spurious.

  35. David Avatar
    David

    @Adrian

    Of course it makes a difference as far as resource allocation and impact on kPIs.

    What the Douglas post highlights as it relates to the UK market is that Barbados continues to enjoy the greater marketshare declines notwithstanding. Therefore it is disingenuous for commentators to state that St. Lucia is licking our butts unless we can verify that we are losing business to St.Lucia as Observer suggested earlier.

  36. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    David,

    OK, let me put it another way. Over the 5 years (inclusive) 2008-2012 Barbados experienced at an overall average fall of 1.1 per cent of US long stay visitors. During the identical period St. Lucia experienced an average growth of 25.7 per cent of US long stay visitors.

    Comparing market share is totally irrelevant UNLESS you are comparing like-for-like. It would be the same if you were comparing Barbados arrivals with Montserrat.

    What I am trying to get across is that Barbados is NOT doing as well as some of our competitors and if we are NOT losing visitors to St. Lucia, then where are they going?

  37. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    “Oh what a tangled webb is weaved, sometimes with smokey puffs n wedgey screens”…obb.

    Wait you all ent get no further on this one err yet? I would have thought that by now Dougie would have corrected the damm ting…simple

    You ..this crack ead and bullets fa brawn ting really is nuff conversation piece all bout BIM ya…evabody talkin bout it….even in souse holes.

  38. Well Well. Avatar
    Well Well.

    You have to be in the top 10 to survive the now very competitive destinations that are making the grade.

    http://www.caribjournal.com/2013/02/07/the-beach-list-the-caribbeans-best-beaches-for-2013/

  39. David Avatar
    David

    @Adrian

    Help us to understand. What is the airlift capacity out of the US and UK markets for Barbados and St. Lucia as a % of overall business? Finally if the US market represents a bigger % for St. Lucia tourist arrivals how does it correlate to marketing spend compared to Barbados?

  40. Ronald Avatar
    Ronald

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  41. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    What D rasta-fari….

  42. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    David,

    I think I am going to give in on this one gracefully. my point was all along that St. Lucia is performing better than Barbados consistently over the last 5 years. Airlift, market source and available room stock come second. My Tourism MATTERS column 17th June 2013 covers ‘our’ performance in the US over the last years and the best use of spending limited resources within the markets that you can influence.

  43. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    what in your opinion was different between barbados and st lucia in he last five yeras?

  44. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    what was different that may explain the difference in performance?

  45. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    Observer,

    Quality of plant (lots of new properties) and superior marketing.

  46. Give us a break Avatar
    Give us a break

    This exchange and numerous posting by Loveridge may very well answer why he is not doing well at his place he obviously has more time time to be writing a load of swhite on here than paying any real and. serious attention to the operation of his hotel, why does he not try to eliminate the rats from his guest rooms rather than try to appear as the fountain of knowledge that can only be imparted by someone of his upbringing and that we locals are incapable of?

  47. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    ok that makes sense.

    where is the financing for the plant coming from? our new plant here is a largely villas. how well are villa numbers captured in our tourism numbers?

  48. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    CO Williams has made an appeal for Apes Hill funding? Should government or NIS invest the 20ml he is asking for? New palnt is clearly desirable?

    Should government fast track the 150 ml NIS Hotel Refurbishment Fund mentioned in the last budget?

  49. Give us a break Avatar
    Give us a break

    Loveridge do you or others in the hotel industry take ANY RESPONSIBILITY at all for your lack Lustre performance? Or do you all wait and want more govt hand outs for many of you to direct govt funds to your bank accounts overseas like Portugal and the Jersey Islands and then come again for more?

  50. Well Well. Avatar
    Well Well.

    Government needs to let these players like apes hill owners fund their own shows, they make the bulk of the money from these enterprises, they make many millions of dollars why should the taxpayers be saddled with these costs?

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