“Barbados is currently leading the way in calling for reparations from former colonial powers for the injustices suffered by slaves and their families.”

Is this in reference to locals or Barbadians living in the UK?
Certainly we first have to get the local political elite of both “colours” to accept and behave like true proud descendants of black slaves and in some cases white overseers.

Could you want to be more Scottish in name than “Stuart” and “Arthur” other than Cameron? Even Mottley would refer to her Middle-England origins as a blend of textile colours before reference to her Ashanti or Yoruba head wrap.

Until these so-called black educated politicians and elites in the society accept their ‘blackness’, reject the White man religion and stop looking like windup buffoons in business suits made of material for a temperate climate the British government (now coming under rapid greater influence by those from the Indian sub-continent) will continue to snub the local black monkeys handling political guns. India would receive billions in compensation for its colonial injuries before one pound sterling in reparations is paid to the descendants of black slaves or even white ones in poor Bim only to end up in China and Japan. But we can always beg for a new QEH to be named the King William General.

There is an immediate need for a resurgence of Garveyism and pride in being black before such claims to reparations can be considered seriously. A Portia Simpson lookalike doll will not cut it. Maybe we should be inviting Dr. Ashra Kwesi to administer to us instead of some German quack and religious nutter called Bonnke.

A simple question. If the both sides agreed to consider reparations how would it work, would Barbados and the UK have to undertake a reconciliation of what each party took and gave?

I could not see the British agreeing to ONLY pay for the free slave labour obtained.

I don’t think anyone took the timeout to read the article about an extremely racist member of the political class in England called Michael Gove who is hell bent on rolling back the education of blacks in England to the time when blacks believed that civilization started when whites stole the lands, riches and cultures from Africa, he would like to keep the lying myth that civilization started with white people in place. Gove is also very instrumental in keeping African history away from black students in England. I see this as a clear attempt by a very desperate and financially broke race to roll back time for financial gain once again for their own lazy, greedy and selfish benefit, to the detriment of another race.

Miller……you may not want to go there with the Simpsons, their only claim to fame was an old house in Bath, St. John that Errol Barrow frequented. Their claim to riches is really attributed to Errol Barrow giving them their financial start, they have a lot to thank Errol Barrow for. We can safely say they were kicked out of England in the previous centuries with not a pot to piss in nor a window to through it out of, but with the help of black people can now pose as ‘upper class’.

Get in line…. you think Barbados is the only country Britain got rich off, if money is going to be handed out there will be no shortage of people in the que. A better approach would be to claim you are ramping up your nuclear program and wait for the dollars to pour in to stop it.

Miller…..I would like your opinion on the fact that black people are contributing also to their continued downfall.

If one would view the paying out to slave owners as an example of the abuse of government coffers by the connected social elite and nothing more it would allow one to focus on a type of corruption that exists to this day. The abolition of a form of business enterprise was just the excuse/opportunity that was provided at the time.

The British Government has a lot to answer for and only last week the The Amritsar Massacre in India came up

TRYING THIS AGAIN. Every time I post one link the unintended link is appearing. Here is the link again. I pasted it in another browser and it was correct so hope it works now.

If not, my apologies. It is the same video at the bottom of my original post, but I thought it should be brought to the fore for those that do not wish to go through the whole article again.

STRANGE. Can the moderator assist in deleting the repetitive links? Was trying to post the video with Dr King speaking on reparations but same thing happening. Apologies again.

David,

If I am partially black i.e. mother 3/4 white and 1/4 black and father 1/2 white, 1/4 amerindian and 1/4 black am I entitled so some of these reparations? If not, is the flipside true, any black person who is partially white excluded from benefitting from reparations?

@BAF
Brother, how are we to repair human rights crimes of the past when nobody from Barrow to Stuart has ever cared or will ever care about this issue? How could black people anywhere be recognized as having human rights when lackeys in Barbados from childhood to death are constantly competing for crumbs from white peoples’ table. Whether we are talking about going to a colonial school like harrison’s college or fighting to become governor general at age 65. More deeply, the slave infrastructure is still alive and well in Barbados and the rest of the world. Ask the sweat shop workers in India, most African countries,the USA, China and elsewhere. How can we ever be repaired when the main weapon of the slave economy, christianity, remains a dirty religion that is still infesting the minds of African peoples everywhere The purest amongst us will say that the Transatlantic Slave Trade represents a departure from all international norm, and they are right! But we don’t see much difference in the strategic intent of global capitalism today. As far as we are concerned all the people who played a part in these atrocities should be subjected to chattel slavery for an equal length of time. That means the Jews, the white people, the Arabs, social classes in Africa which conspired against others as they cooperated in the horrific global enterprise. In short, no white people anywhere have any intentions of paying reparations. Case in point is the American situation where ‘former’ slaves where promised land and animals. Up to this day, 175 years after so-called emancipation, not one former slave or his/her descendants have received one penny or a square inch of land. Because their god is on their side white people can do what ever they like.

@ Mark Etheridge | February 27, 2013 at 11:26 AM |

But is there any truth in what he or she said?

If blacks in Barbados and in other African enclaves in the Diaspora are demanding reparations in the form of financial settlements from countries that are literally broke then a similar demand for land must be made against those West African countries which actively participated in the capture and trading of slaves to be shipped to the colonies.

The establishment of air and sea trade routes with the options to move freely back to West Africa must be the first call of those demanding reparations.

Any monetary payouts will only end up in pockets of corrupt politicians and public officials with the majority ending up in less than two years in the bank accounts of Chinese and Japanese merchants.

@ Mark Etheridge | February 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM |
“@ Pachamama:Thats a terribly big chip you have there on your shoulder. How heavy is it and how long have you been carrying it around?”

What chip what?
The man is incisive and most pertinent in his analysis.

Next minute you will want the brainwashed blacks to shut up and put the slavery thing behind them and be grateful for living in a Christian Western world instead of swinging on tree like the monkeys in Africa.
Why don’t you tell the so-called Jews to stop moaning about Hitler and Nazism?
Let them also recant one of the biggest lies ever told that they were enslaved for over 400 years in Kemet and was forced to build the pyramids and temples.

@ Miller

How are the blacks “brainwashed” and from your learned position who did the brainwashing?

@ Pachamana

If you promote that action, don’t you appreciate that once you start down that road, its a case of Might? If you wish to erase one crime with another crime, who win, the might against whom the first crime was committed or the man with the Might? Becareful what you wish for.

@ Mark Whiteman
Everywhere white people have gone they have created bedlam, acts against humanity, acts that violate Pachamama and they should be subjected to similar acts as reparation. We are not your slaves so you are in no position to warn us about taking any action. As if white you represent some god, somewhere, and speak in his name. We don’t recognize the right of this god to exit. Again, all the people who were/are responsible for historic crimes should themselves to subjected to those same crimes as reparation. Does your book not say something like a tooth for a tooth, or something like that. Now that, you whitey, are the offenders another rule is to apply.

@ the miller
Speak! But they are current and similar crimes being committed by white people. An example is GMO foods which are known to kill people but that would not curb the propensity of whitey to advance commercial interests. The recent uses of atomic weapons is another. The stockpiling, storing, development of nuclear weapons is another. Continuous wars and sponsoring current world wars that kill millions of innocent is another. Threatening non-nuclear nations is another. And we can go on and on. Those of us who wrongly think that the exchange of useless paper can satisfy all claims are delusional. Only equal acts for great crimes will suffice.

@Pachamama
Check Eric Williams Capitalism and Slavery, and hen research the history of King JaJa of Opobo Nigeria, and then check the history of England and the roman empire, and check the history of Alexandra the Great. Next thing reparations do not necessarily mean monetary compensation. Postulate how monetary compensation might be calculated. Looking forward to your answer.

Mark Etheridge | February 27, 2013 at 11:26 AM |

@Reblogged this on barbados.tripadvisor

The CAPS, content and tone of the blog confirms it is Chris McHale, a perennial racist.
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The majority of Irish slaves , if not all, that came to Barbados were Catholic, who were hunted down ,free for the taking. Their lands were taken by the Protestants from the mainland, the ones who refer to Derry as London- Derry. So I am not surprised at those comments made .

Pachamama, February 27, 2013 at 6:09 PM:

“Here, there is no mystery. We already know who the beneficiaries are/were … That is a settled issue.”

Really? So who are they? Name them, if the issue is so “settled”. For example, a little girl born in Manchester, UK, yesterday. Let’s say her great-grandfather was born in Dublin, Ireland, in 1910, and her great-grandmother was born in Minsk, Belarus, in 1912. Is she a beneficiary? More importantly, is she in some way “responsible”? Is she somehow “accountable”? To which authority and on what grounds?

“This is a settled issue.” Right, so it’s simple, then. So explain it, simply.

nearly all people were slaves at one time or another.
for Christ sake what more you want from the white man????????????
he has invented everything you have .
if you had never left Africa you would be living in a desert wondering why there is no water .or starving when wild animals run all around you in abundance.
and just refresh your memories.
here is how it really was.
White Slavery and Servitude in Barbados

Between the years of 1652 to 1659 it is estimated that well over 50,000 men, women, and children of Irish descent were forcibly transported to British imperial colonies in Barbados and Virginia to serve as slave labor on plantations.
Other prisoners of war, as well as political dissenters, taken from conquered regions of England, Wales, and Scotland were also sent into permanent exile as slaves to Barbados. This essentially enabled Cromwell to purge the subject population of any perceived opposing elements, as well as to provide a lucrative source of profit through their sale to plantation owners. The extent to which White prisoners were transported to Barbados was so great, that by 1701, out of the roughly 25,000 slaves present on the island’s plantations, about 21,700 of them were of European descent. Later, as the African slave trade began to expand and flourish, the Irish slave population of Barbados began to drastically recede over time, due in part to the fact that many were worked to death early on in their arrival and also as a result of racial intermixing with Black slaves.

In stark contrast to the small number of White indentured servants present on Barbados, who could at least theoretically look forward to eventual freedom no matter how bad their temporary bondage may have been, White slaves possessed no such hope. Indeed, they were treated the same as slaves of African descent in every manner imaginable. Irish slaves in Barbados were regarded as property to be bought, sold, treated and mistreated in any way the slave-owner saw fit. Their children were born into hereditary slavery for life as well. Punitive violence, such as whippings, was liberally employed against Irish slaves, and was often used on them immediately upon their arrival in the colonies to brutally reinforce their enchained status, and as a warning against future disobedience. The dehumanizing and degrading cattle-like physical inspections used to assess and showcase the “qualities” of each captive for prospective buyers, which reached infamy with the Black slave markets, was also practiced upon both White slaves and indentured servants in the colonies of the West Indies and North America. Irish slaves were marked off from their free White kinsmen through a branding of the owner’s initials applied to the forearm for women and on the buttocks for men by a red-hot iron. Irish women, in particular were seen as a desirable commodity by White slave owners who purchased them as sexual concubines. Others found themselves sold off to local brothels. This degrading practice of sex slavery made Irish men, women and children potential victims to perverse whims of many unsavory buyers.

In reality, White slaves fared no better a fate as unwilling human property than did contemporary captive Africans. At times they were even treated worse then their Black counterparts due to economic considerations. This was especially true throughout most of the 17th century, as White captives were far more inexpensive on the slave market than their African counterparts, and hence were mistreated to a greater extent as they were seen as a conveniently disposable labor force. It was not until later that Black slaves became a cheaper commodity. An account dating back to 1667 grimly described the Irish of Barbados as “poor men, that are just permitted to live,… derided by the Negroes, and branded with the Epithite of white slaves.” A 1695 account written by the island’s governor frankly stated that they labored “in the parching sun without shirt, shoe, or stocking”, and were “domineered over and used like dogs.” It was common knowledge among the Irish of this era that to be deported, or “barbadosed”, to the West Indies meant a life of slavery. In many cases, it was actually common for White slaves in Barbados to be supervised by mulatto or Black overseers, who often treated captive Irish laborers with exceptional cruelty. Indeed:

The mulatto drivers enjoyed using the whip on whites. It gave them a sense of power and was also a protest against their white sires. White women in particular were singled out for punishment in the fields. Sometimes, to satisfy a perverted craving, the mulatto drivers forced the women to strip naked before commencing the flogging and then forced them to continue working all day under the blistering sun. While the women were weeding in the fields in that condition, the drivers often satisfied their lust by taking them from the rear.

Such instances of horrific rape and unwilling sexual union between Irish female slaves and Black slave-drivers, was actually implicitly encouraged by many of their White masters. Mulatto children, who resulted from such unions, both willing and unwilling, were seen by the plantation masters as a potentially unlimited breeding stock of future native-born slave labor, acquired free of charge and without the costs of transportation. Existing public records on Barbados reveal that some planters went as far as to systematize this process of miscegenation through the establishment of special “stud farms” for the specific purpose of breeding mixed-race slave children. White female slaves, often as young as 12, were used as “breeders” to be forcibly mated with Black men.

The enchained Irish of Barbados played a pivotal role as the instigators and leaders of various slave revolts on the island, which was an ever-present threat faced by the planter aristocracy. Such an uprising occurred in November 1655, when a group of Irish slaves and servants escaped along with several Blacks, and proceeded to attempt to spark a general rebellion among the enchained community against their masters. This was a serious enough threat to justify the deployment of militia, which eventually overcame them in a pitched battle. Before their demise they had wreaked considerable havoc upon the ruling planter class, having hacked several to pieces in brutal retribution for their bondage. They had not succeeded in their broader strategy of completely laying waste by fire, the sugar fields in which they had been forced to labor for the enrichment of their masters. Those taken prisoner were made examples of, as a grim warning to the rest of their kindred Irish, when they were burned alive and their heads were thereafter displayed on pikes throughout the market place.

As a result of a steep increase in Black slave labor migration to Barbados, compounded with high rates of Irish mortality and racial intermixing, White slaves, which had once constituted the majority of the population in 1629, were reduced to an increasingly dwindling minority by 1786. In the present era, there remains only a minuscule, yet significant community within the native Barbadian population comprised of the descendants of Scots-Irish slaves, who continue to bear testimony to the tragic legacy of their enchained Celtic forebears. This small minority within the predominantly Black island of Barbados is known locally as the “Red Legs” , which was originally a derogatory name, understood in similar context to the slur “redneck”, and was derived from the sun-burnt skin experienced by early White slaves who had been previously unadjusted to the tropical Caribbean climate. To this day, a community numbering approximately 400 still resides in the northeastern part of the island in the parish of St. John, and has vigorously resisted racially mixing with the larger Black population, despite living in abject poverty. Most make their living from subsistence farming and fishing, and indeed they are one of the most impoverished groups living in modern Barbados.

An interesting film on the Red legs can be watched
http://www.moondance.tv/broadcast-barbados.htm

Books on this subject

Sean O’Callaghan, To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland

Kelly D. Whittaker, White Slavery, What the Scots Already Know

Michael A. Hoffman II, They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America

Robert E. West, England’s Irish Slaves

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This thread has degenerated into inter-racial abuse which helps no-one.
It’s fine to look back 450 years if you want to but we should be looking forward.

AN EXCERPT FROM
http://www.rastafarivisions.com/features/historyofthecrime

OMISSION IS ANOTHER FORM OF COLLUSION

The education that places no emphasis on The Black Maafa or African holocaust, and omits the important task of showing the connection between the past and the present is an education that is designed to create KRYPTONITED BEWITCHED NEGROES, Negroes whose baton of history has been taken from them, and whose liberation urge has been neutralized.

In its zeal to be race-neutral such an education will fortify white domination by its failure to challenge established lies and bring to the table a perspective that is rooted in the Black experience.

It will therefore create a kind of race-neutral African who is gutted of his racial allegiance, who feels no special urge to address the historical and on-going crimes against Africans.

In the absence of a higher motivation, such Africans will tend to be characterized by cold selfish money-grabbing, with no regards for brotherly love, racial solidarity, and race upliftment.

The absence of this kind of race-uplifment-thinking amongst “the mercenary-minded educated” is the result of a centuries-long collusion between The Owners of the Plantation and The Caretakers of Education. The plantation wanted better servants, not THINKERS or System Changers.

Those people who enslaved others used the money to buy land, house, paintings, furniture, jewellry, silverware, etc. These extremely valuable properties still exist and many of these properties are still generating considerable income for the descendants of the slave owners. For example Harewood House, in Yorkshire England is still owned by and still earns profits for the Lascelles family. This family owned Lascelles Plantation in St. James, Barbados (near to Sandy Lane) and Gerald Lascelles only sold that property in 1970. So no the wealth earned by enslaving others has not disappeared. The money is still there, and yes reparations can still be paid.

If my family had been enslaved by the Lascelles I’d accept Harewood House as a partial reparation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harewood_House
Harewood House