Decisions of the Head and the Heart

Submitted by Charles Knighton

Mere days before the presidential election in the USA, polls indicated that just under half of Americans approved of President Obama’s job performance in general, while 54% of respondents felt the economy and the country as a whole, were headed in the wrong direction. Mitt Romney, in private business, as head of the Utah Olympic games and as Governor of Massachusetts, demonstrated a marked proclivity in successfully handling such economic issues as those now besetting the USA. Thus logically, the election’s outcome should have been a no-brainer, right? Well, yes and no. One other poll, showing President Obama’s “likeability” at 63% compared to Romney at 38% was, in my opinion, key to Obama’s re-election.

The head and the heart have often been portrayed as two organs in constant battle. In Plato’s “Phaedrus”, intellect is a charioteer, pulled by one horse of noble passion while trying to whip his unruly companion into line. The philosopher David Hume would have thought the charioteer a self-deluded fool, for, in reality, it’s the horses that decide on the chariot’s direction: “reason is and ought only to be the slave of passions.” For Blaise Pascal, the conflict between the two is more like espionage than a battle of strength, since “the heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing”.

While there is some truth in all three models, where they mislead is in suggesting that the head and heart work against each other. In fact, unless they work in tandem, both would be unrecognizable. Often, if not always, we would not feel the way we do unless we thought the way we do. We desire things that we believe will give us pleasure, and if we find out they don’t, our desire soon subsides. Similarly, anger is calmed if we come to believe that someone has not done us an injustice after all. Rather than a charioteer, perhaps Plato should have conjured up images of a horse whisperer, who calms an agitated steed by reasoning with it, not beating it.

Hume comes closest to the truth, recognizing that the head needs the heart even more than the heart needs the head, since there is nothing in pure rationality that can provide us with any motivation. Nor can moral reasoning get off the ground without an empathetic understanding of the welfare of others. Without any input from emotion or feeling, reason is merely a cold, mechanical method of calculation. It can help us work out what the consequences of our actions might be, but it can’t tell us whether they are desirable.

In short, reason alone gives us no reason to do anything. Pascal was therefore only partly right. The heart and the head both have their reasons, but they share as many as they keep from each other

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  1. Charles i read your submission several times but am dumfounded as to how you would arrived at the concusion that a poll based on likeabilty would have been the catalyst for electing OBAMA it is somewhat intellectually dishonest when in fact Romney policies of the rich getting richer off the taxpayers back was the undoing in addition his idealogical and physoclogical disconnectOn social issues did more harm than good. can one apply the same rationale tha those who voted against OBAMA did not like him


  2. Obama get back in because he black and if he only get one term it would be racist,!
    there did not even have to vote for the big ear ,monkey face ,muslin,antichrist.
    he is a puppet as all are..he out next time though.


  3. @ac
    Romney never fully crossed the threshhold of “shares my values” or “understands me”. Charles is right, despite the stats that should have knocked out any incumbent, Obama’s likeability coupled with the sustained pummeling of Romney’s unfavourables were the main contributing factors. Policies and issues were really a side note.

    Just observing

    Btw, if charisma, likeability and “shares my values” helps in economically difficult times, I wonder where the DLP stands with its current leader. Lol.


  4. @ Harry callihan

    You ignorant redneck a President in America can only serve two terms so it should obvious to even the most stupid, you, that Obama won’t get another term beyond his second.

    You a one nasty bitch who don’t have the balls to blog using your real name because you know full well the cpnsequences.


  5. You know what that is just another way of saying that the electorate is ignorant because to suggest that a poll based on likeabilty is the reasin for OBama being relected is highly offensive and dowright indicative of those who catergorize backs and minorities as ignorant.and handto mout i thought those days were over and blacks had require enough education to make credibile decisions without being label as intellectully ignorant.


  6. AC the more you open your mouth the more you are showing us how intellectually ignorant you are. You are becoming rather boring and annoying lately. Most people vote because they LIKE the leader they are voting for. Many voted for Bill Clinton because they liked him even though he LIED about the affair with Monica Lewinsky .


  7. Anybody who thinks that Obama was re-elected on likability alone is an idiot who’s trying to marginalize the man’s victory. Most Americans are sensible enough to understand that even though the economy is not where everybody would like it to be, Obama has managed to make some headway considering what he inherited. They also know that he has earned a passing grade with his social policies (Obamacare, gay and lesbian rights, and immigration). He can also boast of his foreign policy achievements (Bin Laden, Gaddafi, ending the war in Iraq). Obama’s intention to make the wealthy pay more taxes while easing the middle-class also helped him tremendously. Obama is more than a likable politician, he has earned the trust of the majority.

    Romney on the other hand really didn’t convince anybody besides his own base that he could match anything Obama has done so far. He’s just another shrew businessman who doesn’t understand that running a country involves alot more than just making profits. His trustworthiness is zero because of his illness…Romnesia.


  8. just received this via email – very interesting

    Not my intention to depress you but just preparing you for the consequences of the last anointing
    Subject: LET THE MASS FIRINGS BEGIN

    Obama has said that he is “fired up and ready to go” Today many employees were told “you are fired and have to go”.

    Companies know Obamacare and the Obama get the rich taxation is going to cripple their bottom line.

    November 9, 2012
    The Mass Firings Begin
    Stella Paul

    Obama was “fired up” and so were the voters, and so now, the mass firings begin. Here’s a collection of today’s headlines. Please say a prayer for the families who will be suffering. Had Romney won, many of these companies would now be hiring.

    Teco Coal officials announce layoffs

    Momentive Inc plans temporary layoffs for 150

    Wilkes-Barre officials to announce mandatory layoffs

    600 layoffs at Groupon

    More layoffs announced at Aniston Weapons Incinerator

    Murray Energy confirms 150 layoffs at 3 subsidiaries

    130 laid off in Minnesota dairy plant closure

    Stanford brake plant to lay off 75

    Turbocare, Oce to lay off more than 220 workers

    ATI plans to lay off 172 workers in North Richland Hills

    SpaceX claims its first victims as Rocketdyne lays off 100

    Providence Journal lays off 23 full-time employees

    CVPH lays off 17

    New Energy lays off 40 employees

    102 Utah miners laid off because of ‘war on coal’, company says

    US Cellular drops Chicago, cuts 640 jobs

    Career Education to cut 900 jobs, close 23 campuses

    Vestas to cut 3,000 more jobs

    First Energy to cut 400 jobs by 2016

    Mine owner blames Obama for layoffs (54 fired last night)

    Canceled program costs 115 jobs at Ohio air base

    AMD trims Austin workforce – 400 jobs slashed

    100 workers lose jobs as Caterpillar closes plant in Minnesota

    Exide to lay off 150 workers

    TE Connectivity to close Guilford plant, lay off 620

    More Layoffs for Major Wind Company (3,000 jobs cut)

    Cigna to lay off 1,300 workers worldwide

    Ameridose to lay off hundreds of workers

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/11/the_mass_firings_begin.html#ixzz2BjKyKINd


  9. here’s another interesting article
    Boehner Has Obama by the Boondoggles
    Written by Gary North on November 9, 2012

    Gary North’s Reality Check (Nov. 9, 2012)
    I begin with North’s law for dealing with political Keynesians: “When you’ve got them by the boondoggles, their hearts and minds will follow.”

    On January 1, 2013, federal taxes will go up. There is no way around this. One way or the other, federal taxes will go up.
    There are some questions associated with this forecast. First, which taxes will be going up? Second, who will wind up paying most of these taxes? Third, what effect will this tax increase have on the American economy?
    Obama is beginning to sound as though he is ready to compromise in some way with John Boehner over some kind of substitute tax program. Boehner is making similar noises with respect to his willingness to compromise in some way to work out a deal with Obama. The problem is simple to state: (1) Boehner has said that he will not accept any tax revision that places additional taxes on the wealthy, and (2) Obama is philosophically opposed to anything that is going to raise taxes on the poor.
    THE VICIOUS VAT
    The tax that would really generate a great deal of revenue is the value-added tax. The VAT has been used for a generation in Western Europe to extract enormous wealth out of the taxpaying population, which is everyone.
    The VAT has this advantage from the point of view of the government: there is no escape. The tax is imposed on all profitable transactions along the chain of sales. Any business that makes a profit is going to have to pay the VAT. There is no way to hide from the tax collector. He collects mostly from businesses, and businesses have detailed records of what they spend. The digits are easily available. So, there is no place to hide.
    The other advantage of the VAT is that it is paid by everybody who makes a retail purchase. It is not exactly a sales tax, but it is close to it. If you buy a product, you pay your share of the tax that was imposed on the retailer. If you do not buy, the retailer is hurt, because he has paid the wholesaler. The wholesaler has to get his money back, because he already paid the tax when he purchased the item from the producer. The producer paid the tax when he bought raw materials in the open market.
    From bottom to top, everybody pays on any profitable transaction. This means that it is a comprehensive tax, in a way that no other tax is. It is comprehensive in the sense that everybody who makes a retail purchase pays it, and also in the sense that no business can escape it. This is why it generates so much revenue.
    The problem with the VAT for Obama is that it is a flat tax. The poor cannot escape from it. If they buy something, they pay this tax. Even worse from the point of view of Obama, everybody pays the same percentage. Rich and poor, middle class and lower middle class, everybody who makes a retail purchase is paying the same percentage of his income.
    This is why the Democratic Party never comes out in favor of the VAT. The VAT is ideologically irreconcilable with the wealth distribution policy of the Democratic Party. The Democrats want the rich to pay a higher percentage of their income to the government than the poor man pays. With the VAT, everybody pays the same.
    The big problem with the VAT is that Republicans would probably favor it over any other kind of new tax. Precisely because it is a flat tax, which means that, from the point of view of modern political rhetoric, it is a regressive tax, Republicans would be more willing to vote for this than for an increased percentage of extraction from the rich. Reverse this argument, and you have the Democratic Party’s view of the VAT.
    (For the rest of the article, click the link.)
    Continue Reading on http://www.garynorth.com

    Read more: http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/11/09/boehner-has-obama-by-the-boondoggles/#ixzz2BlADlmWC


  10. the bigots have come out in full force armed with all kind of ridiculous excuses the undermine the election of Obama even labeling label the voters as stupid and to think there are those who would believe such dogma and say it it openly is disgusting and reeks of intellectual superiority


  11. The Creator of man, Almighty God, re man’s heart, the seat of his emotions, desires, plans, etc., has this to say:

    “The heart (of mankind) is* deceitful above ALL* things, and desperately wicked* Who can know it.” (Only God!) Jer. 17:9

    “There is a way that seems right to a man (President, leader, PM, etc) But its end IS* the way of death (Destruction, ruin, failure!) Prov. 14: 12)

    Whenever a society, nation, civilization, turns its back in large scale on Almighty God’s righteous standards, of social, moral, economic, etc., behaviour, and looses its moral compass, becoming NUMB in its conscience, seared with an hot ‘Iron’ with its LEADER giving wholesale approval to the sanction of same-sex marriage, and the slaughter of millions of babies by abortion, and many other unjust laws, the FAVOR, Grace of God IS* lifted from that country, whoever they maybe, AND all quarters of that society begin to falter, fail, struggle, and will ultimately crumble into chaos, strife, anger, civil war even. NO amount of political will, bi-partisian working together, or any Central Bank reasoning, etc.,can avert the course of self-inflicted destruction that lies ahead, for:

    “UNLESS the LORD builds the house ( family, village, Parish, State, Nation)
    They (Obama, Stuart, Arthur, etc.,) labor in VAIN who build it. Unless the LORD guards the city. The watchman, (Army, Police,etc.,) stays awake in VAIN.”

    Let those who have and EAR, hear!


  12. “You know what that is just another way of saying that the electorate is ignorant”

    Hello AC they are IGNORANT just look at the videos! The electorate majority consists of people who really do not understand the political parties agenda but vote mainly on what is fed to them by the politicians they like!


  13. island gal” even the dull an ignorant have they say” but to paint the overwhelming majority of people who voted for obama based on likeability is ludicrous and out of the realm of reality . for within that group are economist ! students ! teachers ! professors ! doctors! lawyers! and a whole cross section of people which could not all be so dumb and illiterate in their choice for president charles is like the republican trying to find a reason for Obama reelection but it simply boils down to disconnect and an unwillingness on the republicans and romney’s part to understand that in hard economic times poor and underpaid workers are most vulnerable to socioeconomic disruption and would most likely vote for a person would who address such issues than one who wants to help those on the top of the economic ladder.


  14. fuh goodness sake it is a philosophical discussion which deals on the way people make decision based on varying factors in this case it happens to be political ! What govt ! what!


  15. @ Zoe | November 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM |

    Welcome back, Zoe!
    The Elohim love you and one day very soon you will be taken on board for magical ride in the heavens.

    Based on your argument, those countries which denounce and vilify same sex marriages and homosexuality will find favour with your god and be blessed.

    We can therefore expect those African countries where Christian fundamentalists abound along with the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, female circumcision, polygamy, child abuse, abject poverty, squalor and endemic corruption will be most favoured by your god like how he favoured Jacob over Esau. But remember these countries are populated by blacks.
    What you are effectively saying is that your white god would favour African blacks over Europeans and white Americans. Listen Zoe, homosexuality is as prevalent in Africa and among black fundamentalist Christians as in any part of Europe or America. The statistics speak for themselves.

    Are you praying for another Sodom and Gomorrah? You ought to remember that your in a fit of blind rage destroyed everything and everyone except Lot and his 3 daughters who had to rape their old man the drunkard to carry on that incestuous lineage from which you are descended. So which is the bigger sin? Incest or same sex marriage?


  16. Man David, what you had for dinner last night….?
    The matter at hand is the total and complete ignorance, idiocy, and reckless lack of common sense that characterizes the typical ‘voter’.

    The videos provide consistent confirmation of the general mentality of 90% of the population (AND WE ARE TALKING OF AN ALLEDGED EDUCATED SOCIETY)…..
    ….and you talking about “…NOT PERFECT”

    Are you trying to tie down the understatement of the decade?

    ….got Bushie here AGREEING with Islandgal!! Only ac can accomplish that… 🙂


  17. the video is only a synopsis of a few and can deoict whatever it wants but for a true analysis one would have to take a comprehensive view at the individual themselves based on many factors.


  18. @GP
    The hard times are now to come. The economics created our difficulties, the politics will make it worse.

    @ac
    No one is saying that they voted for him ONLY because of likeability. The point is that his likeability helped overcome all the other factors that would have otherwise pulled him down. That plus his reach to diverse groups as opposed to just “old white men” in romney’s case would have helped seal the deal…

    Just observing


  19. ZOE
    We are clearly seeing the decay in every aspect of life in the USA; AND SINCE THE USA IS NOT IN PROPHECY……………….THE FUN SHOULD SOON BEGIN

    TIME FOR THE UPPER TAKER


  20. @ David
    “Please frame the alternative, pragmatic and realistic one if you can.”
    ****************
    “…..it is all downhill from here.”


  21. No one except the writer phrased it in the context of a poll to which he made a conclusion on likeabilty in the first election as much as i liked OBAMA i had grave reservations about seeing him elected base on knowing that his race and color would be unending attack and also a need for the power structure in america to satisfy their ego and put to rest once and for all that a black cannot ever become president of america i felt that all the support given by white america was a charade and not a truism.


  22. Looks like GP is on the Tea Party’s mailing list, sorry for those poor blighters some of them had the effrontery to vote for Obama instead of the plutocrat, that will teach them.

    I note that Murray Energy is on the list, prior to the Election the owner forced his employees to attend a Romney rally after the election he prayed with them and then fired them. What was he praying for?

    Caterpillar is another interesting name on the list; in Feb. 2012 it closed a 62 year old plant in London, Ontario after the workers refused to take a 50% wage cut and moved the operations to the USA to a “right to work” State. Right to work is another euphemism for Union busting, essentially it makes it very onerous for Unions to recruit and negotiate for members. That law has been implemented in many States which have Republican Governors or majority Republican State Houses. Caterpillar shifted $35.00 hour jobs to jurisdictions where employees will make $12.00 an hour after the Canadian Gov’t (right of Centre and close to the Republicans in the USA) injected massive amounts of money into the operations so who says they wouldn’t be shifting jobs to the next low rent neighbourhood.

    Isn’t Capitalism grand?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law


    • Next challenge for Obama is to confront the ‘fiscal cliff’. Will he go with the head or the heart? Let us hear what he has to say at 1PM EST.


  23. @ Islandgal

    Yes, you are right. I also saw clips of US voters who had no idea of what it was all about though the issues appeared to be pretty clear and simple. For them black fizz, disarming smiles and the wilful suppression of collective guilt for times past by voting Obama were enough. Mind, I suspect most electorates are like that and that most of us are taken in by those who ‘look the part’. Cf the idea in an earlier post that you can’t trust a man who walks like a penguin, or my own ‘take’ that I wouldn’t vote for a man who back-slaps his wife in a putative loving hug as if she was just another hanger on or, let me add, a fella who insists on wearing a jacket which says “I’m the Commander- in- Chief”.

    @ Observing

    Yes, Romney, the man of substance, is now being characterized as someone who appealed only to “old white men”. Yet I didn’t hear that during the campaign and, indeed, the evidence was that he appealed to all age groups. Is Republican ‘soul-searching’, at Romney’s expense, just another way of saying they are bad losers?

    Meanwhile, with the drone and Petraeus the suppression of the truth in that administration rumbles on.

    @ Zoe

    Would you like to comment on the significance of ‘Acts of God’ as critical in determining the result of presidential elections?


  24. An analyst wrote that President Obama not only won because of demographics and likeability but also these other factors.Keep your arguments going AC. As for that ignorant rat Harry Callihan are you jealous of the power and strength of the black race?

    VOTERS WERE FEELING BETTER ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY: Last November, just 19 percent of Americans thought the country was “on the right track.” Exit polls from Tuesday’s election showed that number had climbed to 46 percent by Election Day.

    –VOTERS WERE FEELING BETTER ABOUT THE ECONOMY: [W]while a majority of Americans still disapproved of the job the president was doing on the economy, they gave him higher marks today than they did just a year ago.

    –ROMNEY NEVER OPENED A GAP IN ‘TRUST TO HANDLE THE ECONOMY’: Buoyed by a solid performance in the first debate, Romney opened up an eight point lead over Obama on October 24. But, just five days later, that lead shrunk to 2 points. Exit polls showed Romney ended the campaign with a measly one point advantage over the president on this question.

    –OBAMA’S JOB APPROVAL CONTINUED TO CLIMB: [H]is job approval steadily climbed to the high-40-s. And, by October, he was regularly polling at 50 percent. The final ABC/Washington Post tracking poll put Obama’s approval rating at 51 percent


  25. some comments reflects ” A holier than thou attitude” tinge with an bad odour of intellectual superiorty complex in reference to voters choice of obama as in “i am up here ” you are down there” so much in line with the attitude the “house nigger’ seems like the more things change the more they remain the same


  26. This will be a triumphant second term. The Republicans will be forced to be more cooperative as they have no choice unless they want to be swept out of the House in 2014 and lose the Presidential election again in 2016. Without support for the Dream Act for instance they will not make any inroads with Hispanic voters in 2016. The ball is in their court, don’t forget the expiration of the Bush tax cuts are closer than the ‘fiscal cliff’.


  27. David
    This is off topic but the title is apt for the issue of David Petraeus the Retired Four Star General and ex CIA director who just stepped down from the latter position.

    I think the subject of men thinking with their “little heads” has been raised on this blog before but I think that when all the details of this is finally aired we will see that perhaps this affair was probably ongoing when he was still an Army Officer. If that is the case he is lucky it didn’t come to light prior to his retirement else he may have been stripped of his Stars and retired in disgrace.

    According to the Washington Post the affair was discovered when the woman sent a threatening email to another woman who was close to Petraeus and the woman was so unnerved that she went to the FBI who in the course of their investigation uncovered a secret email account (Petraeus) and explicit emails revealing an affair between the author of the email (his biographer) and Petraeus.

    With the exposure of the affair Petraeus agreed to step down

    Incidentally the title of his biography? “All In” 🙂


  28. @Sargeant and David. The man is a idiot.

    Communication with an outside woman by email is stupid especially when you are the CIA director.


    • Hants

      Imagine this is the man who was head of the CIA and before that responsibly for the US war machinery. It says a lot about his ability to make good decisions.


  29. Sargeant | November 10, 2012 at 11:17 AM |
    Isn’t Capitalism grand?
    ————————————————–
    It sure is. This is why I have no problem with leaders like Castro and Chavez.


  30. Hants

    You are being harsh, according to all reports the man is a capable and accomplished man but he like most men are weak when it comes to the fairer sex. Admittedly he tried to cover his tracks by setting up an email account under a pseudonym but it looks like another woman who was close to him raised the ire of his paramour who decided to threaten her and the rest is ….

    This woman is a Harvard grad but is subject to the green eyed monster, remember the female astronaut Lisa Nowak who travelled for miles to confront her rival?

    These American sex scandals are tame as compared with the French: Sarkozy’s wife left him to be with her American lover and he quickly married Carla Bruni. The current French President lives with a woman to whom he is not married meanwhile his ex paramour – the mother of his four children- seems to be in ungoing dispute with his present companion. Sarkozy’s former Justice Minister a woman of Algerian-Moroccan descent gave birth while in Office and refused to name the father, now she is suing one of the richest men in France for paternity costs. Meanwhile there is Dominique Strauss-Kahn the former Head of the IMF and once a candidate for the French presidency with his troubles with a maid in New York and prostitutes everywhere.

    Meanwhile in Canada the Supreme Court has ruled that Pfizer no longer has an exclusive patent for Viagra, very soon generic Viagra will be on the shelves and middle age men are celebrating from sea to shining sea.. …


  31. Hants
    How would you rate William Jefferson Clinton after Monica Lewinsky? I remember listening to a 60 minutes interview with Vernon Jordan ( former President of the National Urban League)who was a good friend of Bill and the interviewer asked him what he and Bill talked about all the time, his answer was “ Chasing P…y”.

    The second word was censored but it was clear to anyone who could read lips.


  32. Sargeant I just watched CTV news and have to reinforce David’s point.

    Imagine that this man was making decisions about who dies and who lives

    The minute he realised the woman had “kryptonite” he should have made the correct decision to terminate the affair.


  33. Lewinsky was no threat to National security.

    The CIA Director’s woman up to two weeks ago was commenting to an audience about the incident in Libya.

    She is a West Point graduate and the Director is a idiot for getting involved with her.

    Anyway doan mine me cause If I had money an power I would be like he,Clinton an Owen.


  34. Hants
    Don’t get me wrong I’m not condoning what he did, but us men are weak willed and easily led around by our willies. After the affair started he was ‘All In’ it wouldn’t be easy for him to get out.

    “Lewinsky was no threat to National Security”? Yuh got to be kidding me, any outside entanglement with a person of the opposite sex by the President of the USA is a threat to National Security.


  35. Looka wunna menz….looka how pussy does bring a man down! See de pussy, pet de pussy, leff de pussy right there. Clinton was having his cigar smoked so he” did NOT have sex with that woman” Pussy was the cause of the bandit Hall getting caught in Trinidad. When wunna see a strange pussy cat keep far from it please or it might scratch yuh and cause an infection.

    LOLL


  36. Freundel Stuart is more fooled than I can imagined if he thinks that the American Presidential election results will have an impact on Barbados’ elections. Bajans cannot be compared to Americans. It is stupid to make any comparison between the USA and Barbados. Like someone said, it is like comparing an ELEPHant with an ant, both contain the letters –ant but that is where the simiilarity ends–ELEPH–ant and ant ? America–Barbados—No Comparision !!

    So Honourable Prime Minister, stop the nonsense


  37. @ islandgal246 | November 11, 2012 at 7:28 AM |

    So islandgal , if men were to leave pussycats alone what would be the purpose of living? You have to remember that even women love pussycats.
    The last thing your god is alleged to have created was a pussycat. His ultimate creation to keep men interested in living on this boring planet.
    Just remember money and pussycat make the world go round and round.

    Give the poor male creatures a chance. They have been created defective in that way.
    The woman made me do it, stupid! (LOL!!!)

    As Betty Jean Newsome and the late great James Brown sang:
    “It’s a Man’s Man’s Man’s World but it would all amount to
    nothing without a woman or a girl.”

    Man made the car, train, electric light, and the boat.
    Man made toys for both boys and girls to make them happy.
    And after man made everything, everything he can
    Man “Makes Money” to take away (horn) other men’s joy.
    Man is “Lost” “In the Wilderness” as well “In his Bitterness.”


  38. @ Islandgal

    Thanks for the clip. Following it through I found a further clip headed “Lying Romney” and a second headed ‘Bizarre attack on Obama by Romney”. Fascinating. The first related to the second debate and what Obama said in the Rose Garden where the President in slippery language appeared to hedge all his bets and then in the days following wittered about the video. The second related to Romney’s retort about the President’s investments abroad after Obama had attacked the location of his. I wonder who headnotes these youtube clips.


  39. IG246
    It takes two to tango: I will pose this question to the men out there. Imagine you are the Leader of the Free World, you are trying to get the economy going after GHW Bush of ‘read my lips no new taxes”, you are worried about what the Ruskies are doing and you how to stop China’s star from rising, there is a conflict in the Balkans that can only lead to trouble; you are not so worried about Osama after all his padre did business with some Texas Oil men so with all this going on some 20 something flashes her thong at you with a promise to hooverize you to heights that you haven’t reached since Gennifer Flowers, what would you do?

    OR
    You are a 60 year old General, a leader of men, you have conquered those pesky Iraquis and you are in Afghanistan to do the same to the Afghanis. A star political career awaits you if you want it and now a 40 year old hottie starts batting her eyes at you, what would you do?

    The above is just hyperbole most men won’t dream up those scenarios they just want anything wearing a skirt.


  40. If any of you looked at the clips of Romney you will see that he is not as nice as the press tried to make him. If he was such a brainy businessman and knowledgeable about the numbers he would have seen the writing on the wall and conceded earlier. He was all about the 1% and made no bones about it.

    For Fruendel to liken himself to the Obama results is insulting to Bajans. The electorate can see what the polls are indicating, Obama paid attention to the polls. Fruendel and friends should listen to the polls and call an election asap!


  41. Listened to former Governor of Utah John Huntsman (R) this morning and he said that the economy will improve over the next four years as well as employment will fall, and admitted that unless the Republicans change the way they are doing business they will have a hard time winning in 2016. He indicated that the Republicans must show willingness to work with Obama administration and seriously work.


  42. But will the republicans learn or just oppose for the sake of opposing and continue to be critical of obama plan just like the BLP here in barbados does to thev DLP even though their solutions have already been rejected by the people before going to the polls in a similar vein where the americans did reject the republicans policy at the polls for moving their country forward


  43. Obama Win Guarantees $9 Gas & $4000 Gold

    The election may be over, but our worries about the imminent explosion of the debt bomb have just begun. Every major economist and the US Treasury all concede that the U.S. will run a $1.5 trillion deficit for the foreseeable future, inflating the U.S. debt to a staggering $28 trillion by 2018. If you think this is just a meaningless number on a spreadsheet, ask yourself if paying $9 for a gallon of gas is meaningless to you and your family. Because as any experienced investor will tell you, the price of both gasoline and gold are directly correlated to U.S. debt more than any other variable. Doing simple math based upon long-standing historical trends, conservative estimates put gas at $9/gallon and gold at $3800 an ounce as the U.S. debt bomb explodes. Want proof? Right before the 2008 election Debt was $8T, Gas was $2.40 and Gold was $850… Now debt is $16T, gas is $4.90 and gold is $1700! What happens when Debt hits 28T?! Find out now…
    Continue Reading http://www.worldnetdaily.com


  44. WHY SHOULD HE PRAY FOR THAT ISLAND GAL

    WE ARE TO LOOK FOR THE SECOND COMING MY FRIEND

    THINGS WONT BE GETTING BETTER


  45. obama can start with cutting the 93billion in govt subsidies some of which goes to companies like big oil who gets them under the pretense of research for renewable energy.


  46. IG246
    John Huntsman was the Republican that The Democrats feared the most, in many ways he was like Romney, a Mormon; a former Governor of a State and rich although not like Croesus Romney. The difference is he was a moderate Republican and would embrace bipartisanship (he was Obama’s Ambassador to China) and would give issues like climate change serious consideration.

    The good news for Democrats? The Republicans would never nominate him he was too conciliatory, too moderate they wanted someone who was in your face to teach Obama a lesson, that’s why you saw the likes of Perry, Cain and Gingrich and Santorum rise in the polls before Romney’s money overwhelmed them. They wanted Jan Brewer in a suit (remember how the Gov. of Arizona met Obama on the runway and waved her finger in his face?) The Democrats would have found it very difficult to run against Huntsman as he couldn’t be tied to any special interests and wasn’t beholden to any particular group.


  47. Sarge I recognize that he is a different Republican and it is their loss, a BIG one too.

    GP and Zoe salivating for the end to come…..bunch of psychotic fools.


  48. @islandgal246 wrote “GP and Zoe salivating for the end to come”.

    Why would you expect them to be any different unless you have never been to Sunday school or church?

    They are obviously true Christians.

    You seem to be really hostile tonight. I just trying to put water on the fires you setting.lol.


  49. “They are obviously true Christians.”

    Hants they are a bunch of loonies that is what they are! It is not me who is starting fires LOLL


  50. Isaiah 9:10 redux in Sandy aftermath
    N.Y. governor repeats biblical mantra in ‘Harbinger’ pattern

    “This is the Ground Zero site. This is a monument to human capacity and human endurance. And, this is New Yorkers’ way of saying we’re not going to give up. We’re going to come back and we will. This city will rebuild and the state will rebuild, and I believe will be the better for it.”

    –New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo

    For those who have read the No. 1 bestselling Christian book of 2012 or viewed the No. 1 faith movie of the year, the words of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy’s devastation had special meaning.

    It was a message all-too-familiar from U.S., state and city leaders in the wake of the 9/11 attack: “We will rebuild. We will come back stronger.”

    The words mimicked – sometimes with precision – those of ancient Israel in Isaiah 9:10: “The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycamores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.”

    And that’s the pattern that has been revealed in Jonathan Cahn’s bestseller “The Harbinger” and a movie based on the same message called “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment.”

    It continued in the words of some officials in the wake of Sandy’s flooding of New York and New Jersey – including by the governor of New York speaking on network television from Ground Zero.

    “What makes it worse is this is already the reconstruction site, right?” Cuomo told Brian Williams on “NBC Nightly News.” “This is one of the largest reconstructions that the country is doing at this time … [In] downtown Manhattan, we had the Hudson River came over the banks and was pouring in to the Ground Zero site … and this was all filled with water. … It’s a new reality for us and I think it’s one we’re going to have to deal with. Now, on this site. This is the ground zero site. This is a monument to human capacity and human endurance. And, this is New Yorkers’ way of saying we’re not going to give up. We’re going to come back and we will. This city will rebuild and the state will rebuild and I believe will be the better for it.”

    So what?

    Cuomo may blame catastrophic man-made climate change. But Cahn doesn’t.

    “A number of years ago, as I was standing at the edge of Ground Zero in New York City, I came across the first puzzle piece of an ancient biblical mystery and a prophetic message known as ‘The Harbinger’ that concerns the future of America,” explains Cahn, who helped write and narrate the two-hour documentary “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment.”

    Cahn says he has since found nine harbingers that tie the problems America has experienced beginning Sept. 11, 2001, with parallels that led to the destruction of ancient Israel.

    “Before God judges a nation, He sends warning,” explains Cahn. “He sent warning to ancient Israel. He even allowed its enemies to breach its borders in a devastating strike that would traumatize the nation. It was a wake-up call, the call to return to God. But the nation responded with defiance. God then gave nine harbingers of judgment, nine prophetic signs, alarms and foreshadows of what was to come. Now America is the nation in rapid departure from God’s will. And God likewise allowed an enemy to breach its borders in a devastating strike – the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. It was, likewise, a wake-up call. But America, like Israel, has not responded with repentance, but with defiance. And now the nine harbingers of judgment have reappeared and have done so on American soil.”

    Watch the trailer here:
    http://alerts.worldnetdaily.com


  51. 2 Peter. 3: 2-3 ESV

    “That you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that SCOFFERS* will come in the last days with SCOFFING*, following their own sinful desires.”

    Yes, even the SCOFFING, SCOFFERS, are fulfilling their role in the End-Time prophetic scenario, of God’s Word!

    True to form. So IT BE!


  52. Isaiah 9:10 is a verse in which Israel’s national leaders utter a vow of defiance following an attack by Assyria. It declared that the nation would not repent before God, but would defy Him instead. Cahn reveals in “The Harbinger” – and in even more dramatic fashion in the video – that beginning the day after Sept. 11, 2001, American leaders began repeating that 2,500-year-old vow, word for word.

    “Having no idea what he was doing, the majority leader of the U.S. Senate (Tom Daschle) was declaring America as under the judgment of God,” Cahn says. “It was the reenactment of an ancient mystery – and bore the most grave of consequences.”

    He continues: “According to the ancient mystery revealed in the Book of Isaiah, if after that first calamity and warning, the nation doesn’t return to God but responds in defiance, it will end up triggering a second calamity. It was because of this ancient key, that, seven years after 9/11, the American economy collapsed. In the days after 9/11, the Federal Reserve slashed the base interest rate in an attempt to defy the consequences of the attacks. That action put us on the path leading to the collapse of the American economy seven years later. In 2008, the government made a second fatal mistake, another ill-fated financial decision, that would trigger the collapse of the American economy. Amazingly, it took place on the seventh anniversary of the uttering of the ancient vow on Capitol Hill.”

    Cuomo later repeated the statement to Diane Sawyer in another interview.

    Cahn also reveals in “The Harbinger” and “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment” something that readers and viewers universally find astonishing – that New York’s Ground Zero actually represents more than the former financial center of the country. It represents the exact place at which America was first consecrated to God in prayer by the country’s new leaders.

    “When judgment came to Israel, the calamity returned the people’s attention to the place where the nation had been consecrated to God – the Temple Mount,” says Cahn. “God was calling the nation back to Himself. What about 9/11? Could there be, in the American calamity, as well, a mystery of return? Could there be a prophetic message hidden in the place where it happened? There is a place where America was consecrated to God in prayer. It is also a place linked to a prophetic warning given on that same day – uttered by the nation’s first president – now coming to pass.”
    http://alerts/worldnetdaily/com


  53. In 1789, newly inaugurated President George Washington gave a prophetic warning at Federal Hall in New York City. He declared that America’s prosperity and protection were dependent upon its adherence to God. Later, the political leaders of the young nation gathered at St. Paul’s Chapel to commit the nation’s future to God’s purposes. That chapel is located at Ground Zero and miraculously survived 9/11 virtually unscathed.

    Cahn, the pastor of the Jerusalem Center-Beth Israel Congregation in Wayne, N.J., says America is uncannily re-enacting ancient Israel’s behavior prior to its judgment and eventual fall. He found a sympathetic ear for his message in WND founder Farah, who produced “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment,” as a follow-up to “The Harbinger.”

    The key to decoding the harbingers, Cahn says, is found in understanding the seemingly innocuous words of Isaiah 9:10, what it meant to Israel and how the history seems to be repeating itself in America today.

    These words were first uttered by leaders in Israel and in response to a limited strike by Assyria on the lands of Zebulun and Naphtali – an attack the prophet makes clear is actually part of a limited judgment by God against apostasy. It wasn’t meant to destroy the nation, but to awaken it, according to most commentaries.

    But, says Cahn, Israel didn’t take the cue. Instead, the response from the people in Isaiah 9:10 is one of defiance. The brick buildings were toppled, but they vowed to build bigger and better. The little sycamore trees may have been uprooted, but they vowed to plant bigger and better cedars in their place.

    God, speaking through Isaiah explains what will happen as a result of their pride and arrogance and failure to heed the harbinger: Bigger and more potent attacks will follow. Because neither the northern kingdom of Israel nor the southern kingdom of Judah truly repents, the first is eventually swept away by Assyrian invaders and the latter is carried off into captivity by the Babylonians for 70 years.

    But what does this have to do with the United States of America – particularly what the U.S. experienced on 9/11 and since? Cahn has found some eerie parallels. http://alerts.worldnetdaily.com


  54. In the aftermath of the attack, the nation was stunned,” said Cahn. “Everyone was trying to make sense of what had happened – this unprecedented attack on America. The very next day, Sept. 12, then Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle presented America’s response to the world. And what did he say?”

    Daschle said: “America will emerge from this tragedy as we have emerged from all adversity – united and strong. Nothing … nothing can replace the losses of those who have suffered. I know there is only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation. But there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that speaks to all of us at times like this.”

    He then went on to read Isaiah 9:10.

    Haven’t yet read “The Harbinger” or seen “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment”? You can get both at a special bundled discount in the WND Superstore.

    “Daschle has no idea what he is doing here,” explains Cahn. “He thinks he’s offering comforting words to a grief-stricken people, but he is actually embracing the spiritually defiant and arrogant words of the children of Israel, proclaiming the ancient and ominous vow of the leaders of that nation. He doesn’t realize it, but he is actually inviting more judgment on the nation.”

    It might be of some significance that Daschle, one of the most powerful men in the nation when he spoke those words, later fell into disgrace – to the point where he couldn’t even serve in Barack Obama’s Cabinet.

    That might have been the end of the story – if no other top leader in the nation uttered those strange and obscure words after 9/11. But that’s not the case.

    On the third anniversary of the attack, Sept. 11, 2004, another powerful U.S. senator running for vice president that year and who would famously run for the presidency four years later, gave a speech to the Congressional Black Caucus.

    This time, John Edwards’ entire speech was built on a foundation of Isaiah 9:10: “Today, on this day of remembrance and mourning, we have the Lord’s Word to get us through,” he said. He then read Isaiah 9:10. He went on to talk about how America was doing just that – rebuilding with hewn stone and planting cedars.

    Later, in his first State of the Union Address in 2009, Barack Obama hearkens back to the same theme. And now Cuomo – right back at the site of the original attack. In “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment,” viewers get to see these remarkable, largely forgotten or overlooked speeches, which directly link the events of 9/11 and the events referred to in Isaiah 9:10.

    But aside from such statements, which could be chalked up to political talk and coincidences, is there anything else linking Isaiah 9:10 to 9/11 and the shockwaves that followed, including two economic crashes? http://alerts.worldnetdaily.com


  55. The video documentary, like the book, is full of shocking parallels. There was actually a very famous sycamore tree felled in the attack on the World Trade Center. It was replaced by trees in the same genus as the cedar. There have been many plans made to rebuild the twin towers bigger and better and a large “hewn stone” was actually quarried out of the Adirondack Mountains in New York and brought to Ground Zero as a cornerstone.

    “The parallels are truly stunning,” says Farah, founder of WND, who produced the documentary for WND Videos. “In fact, they are overwhelming in their number and their exactitude. I am persuaded God is trying to tell America something and Rabbi Cahn has found the key to unlocking the message.”http://alerts.worldnetdaily.com


  56. @island gal

    Dont bother with crazy Zoe. He always talking about ancient Israel as though it was a place, when in fact it was just aTRIBE. Israel was born in 1948/49. The man is a total NUT!! He supports those blue eyed European Zahars who now occupying PALESTINE. These modern day Jews are from south east Asia and converted to the Jewish religion in the 8th century. This was to avoid warring with the Christians on one side and the Moslems on the other side in Turkey.

    They are all imposters and have no claim to, or business in the land of the Palestinians. I think the man is DOOM personified.


  57. Pat the sad thing there are so many of these NUTs including GP and the GOP. They can’t accept that Obama won.


  58. ISLAND GAL

    I AM ACTUALLY HAPPY THAT BO WON THE ELECTION
    we know that the kings of the east, the kings of the south and the kings of the north are all in place

    we know that the USA does not appear in Bible prophecy, so they must be destroyed so that the kings of the west will take their final composition as the ten toes of Daniel”s image

    BO and his puppeteers are doing a good job, and it rejoices my heart.


  59. look the Republicans still trying to find an issue in the David Ptreteaus story to stick to Obama by looking into the why;s and if’s about his resignation and what are the ramifications they need to give it a rest and realise the elections are over and Barrack Obama has won and the peoples only concern is how the congress going to put partisan politics aside and work with the president in finding solutions and not letting the wealthy take full control of the country again. 2014 would soon be hear and if the congress continues the same ole sh..te the a…sss would be out the door in midterm elections time to stop the foolishness , fuh those who believe that god gonna clean up this mess better think again god ain’t got time fuh foolishness and god knows that man only way out of this madness is to self destruct god is the author of peace not confusion and destruction the right wing radical christian nuts ought to be ashamed to label god as a psychopath seeking to do evil/


  60. “we know that the USA does not appear in Bible prophecy, so they must be destroyed so that the kings of the west will take their final composition as the ten toes of Daniel”s image”

    …that tells you everything about Bible prophecy! A load of unadulterated CRAP! Such utter rubbish out of the mouth of a so called educated one! GP you are slipping quickly!


  61. One thing for sure that the rightwingers before they start pointing fingers and blaming the obama administrationfor the bengazi incident they should take a look back at the 911 disaster in which their was catastrophic damage to lives and property and the overal moral of the country by wholesale failures on the bush administration and those who were to protect the countruies national security for which the shoulder full responsibilty.No need for the rightwingers tio be judge and jury on this issue.


  62. It seems the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is back in the news and the gates of Hell have been opened according to the Hamas military high command.
    The Israeli/ Palestinian stalemate is one area where President Obama has shown weak leadership. It appears he has done a Pontius Pilate with this ‘Jewish’ sectarian problem.


  63. @ Islandgal

    The white man sure did a good job of brain washing our people with Bible mumbo jumbo. They dont even know that we are descendants of the original Hebrews (israelites) who were all black. Damn fools preaching and parading a book of fairy tales which deny them their rightful place in history. They dont even know that WE ARE THE CHOSEN of the gods, of whom there are many. They believe in the one bible god, the white man’s god. Created solely for the purpose of control.

    I have not been so happy and contented as after I threw the bible and religion out the window.


  64. @ Pat
    You are right to a large extent about our brainwashing….
    ….about our being the chosen of the Gods
    ….about our ancestry
    ….about the false concept of ‘a single’ God (actually the so called ‘Trinity’)
    ….and most strikingly, about our potential rightful place in history.

    You are technically incorrect about the Bible being a “book of fairy tales”. But to all intents and purposes your summary is sound, since the ability to understand that it says exactly what you have deduced has been withheld from almost everyone of us.

    ..of course, you are not talking about the Bushman, cause Bushie knows EXACTLY from whom he is descended, exactly where he is going and exactly the intentions of BBE in the above regard… 🙂

    …so how did you come to grasp this level of understanding P? Bushie is impressed.


  65. To those who just love, the likable Obama, fraud that he is, and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ‘colour’ of his skin, it IS* his ideological agenda, which by the way is seated and grounded in Marxism, cleaverly cloaked, veneered, and presented in what appears to be so likable. Deceit and lies, know NO* colour!

    Who shaped Obama? Read ‘The Communist’
    – $4.95 today only!
    Explosive bestseller reveals president’s revolutionary,
    pro-Soviet mentor, Frank Marshall Davis
    http://www.wnd.com

    “I admire Russia for wiping out an economic system [Capitalism] which permitted a handful of rich to exploit and beat gold from the millions of plain people … As one who believes in freedom and democracy for all, I honor the Red nation.”

    Those are the words of the youthful Barack Obama’s primary mentor and father figure, Frank Marshall Davis – a card-carrying member of the Communist Party and vehement, America-hating revolutionary – as revealed in the explosive new book by bestselling author Paul Kengor, Ph.D. And today only, WND readers can get their own hardcover copy of “The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor” for only $4.95 – an incredible $22 discount off the regular price!

    In his own memoir “Dreams from My Father,” Barack Obama omits the full name of his primary mentor, simply calling him “Frank.” But now, the truth is out: Never has a figure as deeply troubling and controversial as Frank Marshall Davis had such an impact on the development of an American president.

    Frank Marshall Davis was a pro-Soviet, pro-Red China communist. His Communist Party USA card number, revealed in FBI files, was CP #47544. He was a prototype of the loyal Soviet patriot, so radical that the FBI placed him on the federal government’s Security Index – meaning, had there been an invasion or other armed conflict with the U.S.S.R., Davis would immediately have been placed under arrest. In the early 1950s, Davis opposed U.S. attempts to slow Stalin and Mao. He favored Red Army takeovers of Central and Eastern Europe, and communist control in Korea and Vietnam. Dutifully serving the cause, he edited and wrote for communist newspapers in both Chicago and Honolulu, courting contributors who were Soviet agents. In the 1970s, amid this dangerous political theater, Frank Marshall Davis came into Barack Obama’s life, exerting a profound and lasting “father-figure” influence on the future president.

    Aided by access to explosive declassified FBI files, Soviet archives, and Davis’s original newspaper columns, Paul Kengor explores how Obama sought out Davis and how Davis found in Obama an impressionable young man, one susceptible to Davis’s worldview that opposed American policy and traditional values while praising communist regimes. Kengor sees remnants of this worldview in Obama’s early life and even, ultimately, his presidency.

    He even explores how certain elements of the Obama administration’s agenda reflect Davis’s newspaper columns advocating wealth redistribution, government stimulus for “public works projects,” taxpayer-funding of universal health care, and nationalizing General Motors. Davis’s writings excoriated the “tentacles of big business,” blasted Wall Street and “greedy” millionaires, lambasted GOP tax cuts that “spare the rich,” attacked “excess profits” and oil companies, and perceived the Catholic Church as an obstacle to his vision for the state – all the while echoing Davis’s often repeated mantra for transformational and fundamental “change.”
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com
    Is Obama working to fulfill the dreams of Frank Marshall Davis? That question has been impossible to answer, since Davis’s writings and relationship with Obama have either been deliberately obscured or dismissed as irrelevant – until now.


  66. hey remember america was built off the blood and sweat of immigrants and there are plenty of immigrants of all races many of whom voted for obama who have the entrepreneurial spirit and know how and would be happy to to fill the empty spaces if given a chance by govt to opened up new business which the ungrateful wealthy capitalist pigs took with them on their way to china to exploit a new race of people


  67. The End Time Connection
    ALL END TIMES PROPHECY POINTS TO A Revived ISLAMIC Empire of the End Days

    The fulfillment of Biblical prophecy is proof that God exists, not only to the Jews and Christians, but the message goes out to the unbelieving world that God is the “I AM”. Only an all seeing, all knowing, God could tell His prophets beforehand what would take place over thousands of years. With each fulfillment it was, and is, like a shout going out to the world declaring His Holy name. And also that of His Son, Jesus Christ, who brought Salvation and everlasting life to all who will believe.

    We are living in the time when prophecies concerning the end days are being fulfilled.
    All these things will declare His Name.

    The prophecies given to Daniel over 500 years before the birth of Christ told of four empires that would reign over Israel throughout their history. In the end times a revived version of the last empire would be operating in the Middle East. It will bring on a world war by attacking Israel to gain total control over Jerusalem. At the apex of that war Jesus will return to defend the inhabitancy of Jerusalem in a final battle at Armageddon in northern Israel. (Zec 10-12) I have broken down the prophecies of Daniel for any that would like to study them.

    All of the Prophecies work together to tell one story of the end days

    In the Book of Revelation Jesus represents Daniel’s four beasts as a combined beast made up of parts of the same four beasts shown to Daniel. It is called the “First Beast” It represents the same four empires that would rule Israel from the north (Mesopotamia /Babylon area). This combined beast has the body of the 4 headed leopard beast (Greek empire ) the feet of the bear beast (Media-Persian empire) the mouth of the Lion beast (Babylon).

    It also has the heads of these former beast empires. The head of the Lion, the bear, the four heads of the leopard beast and the head of the last beast which had 10 horns equaling 7 heads altogether.

    The reason Jesus uses the combined beast imagery is because all of these former empires ruled over Israel from the same lands, and that was the Babylon area. Even Alexander the great moved to Babylon and ruled from there and died there. Media Persia ruled from Babylon as we read in Daniel. Rome of course did not rule Israel from the Babylon area and is not part of these prophecies concerning the end times beast.

    This tells us that God wasn’t foretelling about the very next empire to rule over Israel after the Grecian empire, but that was telling us about the next empire that would rule over Israel from the area of old Babylon. In the latter days a last king of the North (King out of the Babylon area) will wage wars just before the resurrection of the dead. (Dan 11-12)

    The next empire that ruled over Israel from the Babylon area was the Islamic Empire. They built Baghdad just 50 miles from the ruins of the city of old Babylon. They ruled over the land of Israel for 500 years from that city. This is the beast with ten horns in Daniel’s vision, making it he 7th head on the first beast in the Book of Revelation (Rev 13). In the end days, coming back to life out of this empire, will be a revived empire under Muslim rule (perhaps a Caliphate). The 10 horns represent the 10 countries within those same lands of the previous empires. These were in the Middle East and are still Muslim countries today. They will give their authority to the beast as a whole to act and to make war. (Rev 18)

    Jesus gives us another view of this revived empire and its 10 kings. He calls it the Image of the first beast. If you look in a mirror you will see an image of yourself. and what John saw was an image of the first beast with the same 7 heads and ten horns. A look alike. The Image empire is the one that will require people to take the mark of the first beast.

    You have actually seen the birth or the beginning of the creation of the Image of the first beast on the news. It began to be created during the war in Bosnia and has continued to grow, and entered many more countries since then. They are known as radical Islam. They are terrorists to us and freedom fighters to the muslims. They have two main goals. Firsts, to take Israel, and second, to create more and more muslim states under the law of the Koran until they eventually rule over the world.

    Al-Qaeda Leads the Way For this Last Days Beast

    Al-Qaeda (in Arabic it means: The Base) is an international terrorist organization or alliance of terrorist organizations founded in 1988 by Osama bin Laden. The group has been defined as “a radical Sunni Muslim umbrella organization established to recruit young Muslims into the Afghani mujahideen (Holy fighters) and is aimed to establish Islamist states throughout the world, overthrow ‘un-Islamic regimes’, expel U.S. soldiers from the Middle East and Western influence from the Gulf, and capture Jerusalem as a Muslim city,” -Wikipedia

    All Al-Qaeda members are trained under Sharia law and are against even other muslims that do not follow these teachings.

    Sharia Islamic religious law. The term means “way” or “path to the water source”; Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues. Sharia law is not compatible with the type of democracy practiced in some Islamic states, such as Egypt, Turkey and Jordan etc.. And yet Al Qaeda is in Egypt also.

    Being an international organization Al-Qaeda is made up of Muslims from every Muslim country. They are not bound by boarders.

    According to a U.S. military press briefing on October 20, 2005, 327 foreign nationals from 27 different countries had been captured in Iraq from April to October of 2005

    The US State Department alleges that Al-Qaeda maintains an extensive logistical network throughout the Middle East, North Africa, Iran, South Asia, and Europe.

    In my opinion when America pulls her troops out of Iraq it will open the door for Al-Qaeda, or worse, to take over Iraq and place it under Sharia law. Al-Qaeda then plans on setting up a Caliphate rule in Baghdad and will appoint one leader. Al-Qaeda are Sunni and so are 90% of all Muslims around the world. How many would follow this Caliph? This would be the fully created Image of the first beast.


  68. @ Zoe | November 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM |

    Could you enlighten us here on BU on the difference between Sharia law and the Jewish laws as given in the Old Testament or in the Pentateuch which you strongly believe as the true and only word of your God?


  69. In all of the THOUSANDS of prophetic verses in God’s Word, the Bible, with only a few remaining to be fulfilled, NOT ONE, has ever failed to come to pass, empirical, historic EVIDENCE that, the Bible IS* Almighty God’s divinely Inspired Word.

    Therefore, FACTS become credible FACTS, when they are warranted to the relevant degree of certainty. This IS* the factual reality of God’s Word, the Bible, which simple CANNOT be refuted.

    . A Jewish homeland had to be reestablished in the Middle East
    Geopolitically, the central focus of end-time events is Jerusalem and its environs, what many people refer to as the Holy Land.

    Luke 21 is a parallel chapter to Matthew 24. Notice Luke’s account of Christ’s long prophecy that answered the disciples’ questions: “Teacher, . . . when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?” (Luke 21:7And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

    In response, Jesus showed that Jerusalem would be the central focus of the political and military upheavals that would immediately precede His return: “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near . . . For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (verses 20-22).

    Anyone living a century ago would have found these words nearly impossible to comprehend. Jerusalem in ancient times had been fought over countless times, but for four centuries from 1517 the city had been at peace within the boundaries of the Ottoman Empire. Jews lived there as a minority under Turkish rule. But this was going to change dramatically during the course of the 20th century.

    It had to change for the fulfillment of Bible prophecy to take place.

    The Old Testament prophet Zechariah was used by God to reveal a great deal about end-time events and the second coming of the Messiah. Zechariah lived and prophesied more than 500 years before Christ’s first coming, yet his prophetic book tells us a great deal about our world of today.

    In Zechariah 12:2-3 [2] Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
    [3] And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

    See All… God says: “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah [the Jews inhabiting the land of Israel] and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.”

    In verse 9 He adds, “It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.”

    Reading these verses, it is possible to think that they apply to ancient events, as Jerusalem has been fought over repeatedly down through the ages. However, chapter 14 makes clear that this is talking about future, not past, events. The time setting is immediately before Jesus Christ’s return.

    “Behold, the day of the Lord is coming . . . For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity . . . Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.

    “And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south” (Zechariah 14:1-4 [1] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
    [2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    [3] Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    [4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
    http://www.ucg.org

    STOP MESSING WITH ISRAEL!


  70. Romney the ever graceful loser partly attributes his loss to “gifts” from Obama to young people, Blacks and Hispanics. Romney is echoing Bill O’Reilly who said that Obama won because people want “stuff” they want “things”. I wonder what the millionaires want.

    Paul Ryan, Romney’s choice for VP said Obama won because of the Urban (read black) vote, I guess that explains why Obama won in Wisconsin (Ryan’s home State), Iowa and New Hampshire,Maine &Vermont, those States are overflowing with Black residents.

    Has anyone seen Eastwood’s chair? Might as well blame that too


  71. the bengazhi issue is the last hope for the republicans to regain ground and to see themselves as relevant again watch how they seize upon this issue to weaken the president hand in trying to implement the necessary tax initiatives against the wealhy their first attack so far is launching an attack on the UN ambassador and threatenbing to block her nomination for secretary of state. in their effort to dilute the importance of the president victory and to weaken his position on any of his further policies.


  72. kiki | November 15, 2012 at 9:11 AM |
    “Israel killing many is unjustifiable”

    Really! Why did Israel have to do that? Because of relentless ‘Hamas’ and other Islamic Jihadists constantly firing Rockets HUNDREDS of them, into Israeli civilian areas in recent months, AND, within the last 2 days firing ‘Iranian’ made rockets Israel’s Capital, killing 3 and injuring an infant, etc..

    Over 10 THOUSAND rockets were fired into Israeli civilian over the last 7 seven years by Hamas et al Jihadists groups. NO OTHER country in the world would EVER have taken such Terrorists plundering of their citizens, over and over again, without INSTANTLY responding. BUT, Israel took it, THEN ‘Operation Cast Lead’ came, and the world at large condemned Israel, again, now, the Aggressors Palestine, Hamas et al Jihadist will be, as usual the VICTIMS of Israeli aggression, vicious, nasty LIES. ‘Turnspeak’ an utter inversion of the FACTS and truth.

    But, this time around, attacking the Capital of Israel, WATCH OUT, you playing with WAR, Big-Time, this could very well be the beginning of the End-Time scenario, all foretold in God’s Word, the Bible.

    STOP MESSING WITH ISRAEL! Or, whoever you ARE, you will ULTIMATELY FEEL the Wrath of God!


  73. Zoe, You God God all twisted, (s)he is everyones God and is against Israels mass killing, reread and recheck your Holy Bible and revert with Gods Goodness you old Goat

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