Are Barbadians Onside With Same Sex Marriage?

Same sex couples queuing to get married

The decision by United States President Barack Obama to throw his support behind same sex marriages must be taken for what it is, a grab for the White middleclass vote. The fact that his loquacious Vice President Joe Biden has gone public in support of same sex marriage would have forced his hand also. The decision was probably not that hard for Obama to make anyway, he admitted in his autobiography to have not been raised in a Christian household and therefore he is not trapped by the dogma of religion when considering the issue of homosexuality and same sex marriage – see Audacity of Hope.

To borrow a term, the world is witnessing the ‘evolution of a belief system’ which sees a growing relativist society treating with the homosexuality and sex marriage as a black or white issue. Pro-advocates of same sex marriage in the USA collapses the argument on the fact that all humans are entitled to equal treatment under the law.

To be expected local pro-advocates of same sex marriages have not wasted any time aligning and promulgating Obama’s view led by Peter Wickham et al. It is note worthy that Wickham fully  leveraged his right to freedom of speech on the talk show last week supported by a fullpage column in today’s press. Perhaps Wickham’s strident advocacy would take on credibility if he were to state publicly if he stands to benefit from Barbados’ acceptance of same sex marriage.

It is interesting that Obama’s opponent Mitt Romney in the next US Presidential Election, a practising Mormon, has taken an opposite view. Romney recently told old university graduates the he “adamantly rejected same-sex marriage yesterday and trumpeted his belief in Christian values and the family”.  Perhaps another bit of political rhetoric to woo the conservative vote. Yet another issue which will be kicked about on the political football field until November comes.

BU is not equipped to offer all the technical arguments like Wickham, Zoe, BT et al can except to apply commonsense. As an independent people (Barbadians) we have the right to build out the kind of society we want. The personal position of Obama which is being used to legitimize same sex marriage is NOT what should be the overriding consideration for Barbadians.

What kind of society do WE want?

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  1. No doubt Porter will come back to explain the root of the problem… 🙂
    But as Bushie always says, we always get exactly what we deserve.

    The problem with living the life of a prostitute is that when the customers get tired with the ‘sweets’… Or when the ‘sweets’ no longer have their virgin qualities (like our west coast), then one is constrained to submit to the increasingly weird and degrading whims of the depraved.

    ….and when the ‘analysis’ is being done by those who have always been driven by the need to acquire THINGS – over any issues of pride, or rightness, or truth, or decency, then there is only one possible outcome….as Adam, Sampson, and countless numbers of men have come to realize…..

    Hi ac…. Back to your ‘wrong side’ again we see … 🙂


  2. Daddy team get BEAT…….lil girl goes and console Daddy…Oh how sweetttt


  3. It seems to me that this simply comes down to a question of the separation of church and state in each sovereign nation.

    In the United States such separation is defined in their constitution, and so it doesn’t take a genius to realize that perhaps the laws of the land should be applied to the people.

    Tangentially, if Barbados wants to admit there is no such separation here, that’s allowed.


  4. The discourse from Romans, which any person with a modicum of commonsense re language, ( NOT Obama) though he claims to be a Christian, has openly stated that here in Romans, which DEALS specifically, HOMOSEXUALS and LESBIANS; IS AMBIGUOUS, OBSCURE, unclear, uncertain, really OBAMA, you FRAUD, “….the same WAY MEN also abandoned NATURAL relations with women, were INFLAMED….committed shameful ACTS with OTHER MEN…”

    NO Government, who PLAYS with so-called political ‘expediency’ social, or otherwise, re what Almighty God CALLS an ‘Abomination’ Homosexualism and Lesbianism, will be EXEMPT from His Warth and ultimate Judgement, one way or the other, be WARNED, it IS* coming SOON!

    Think on this: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: That is detestable.”…”Because of this, God gave them over to SHAMEFUL LUST(Homesexuality). Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations(Heterosexual) for unnatural ones(Lesbianism). In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women (Heterosexual)and were inflamed with lust for one another(Lesbianism). Men committed SHAMEFUL ACTS with other men,(Homosexual) and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a DEPRAVED MIND, so that they do what ought NOT TO BE DONE. … Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

    … “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus … who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.” (Leviticus 18:23: Romans 1:36-32; 8:1, 4)


  5. @Zoe: “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but is it not written in Exodus 20:17: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

    Do those who do deserve death too?


  6. Peter Wickham, the ardent, impassioned advocate for Homosexual ‘Rights’ relativists ‘Agnostic’ that he is, continues to posit ‘redherring’ distractive questions, to Christians, re Slaverly, etc in the OT, misleading the general populus, with his devious ploys, in order to focus on this ‘Abomination’ to gain support from ‘ignorant’ Christians et al, NOT understanding that in the OT, what is referred to as a ‘Slave’ WAS NOT in anyway, to be equated with the absolute ‘horrors’ of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, AS those in the OT, were much more akin to what we no call, ‘Indentured Servants’ and who were PROTECED in the OT from the viciousness, that was done during the TA Slave trade. The ‘Indentured Servants’ in the OT had RIGHTS, as given in God’s Word, NOT so with the TA Slave Trade.

    Secondly, Adultry, Murder, Kidnapping a ‘slave’, (Indentured Servant) ALL attracted the ‘Death Penalty’ so that Wickham’s convoluted ‘Redherrings’ simply will not work.

    Also,, his complete misrepresentaion of the historic facts and reality of WHO commissioned the TA Slave trade, were NOT ‘Christians’ I.e, Roman Catholocism, was NOT, now is NOT, nor will they ever be part of the True, Redeemed Church of Jesus Christ, nor were the Anglicans who strongly participated in the TA Slave trade, could have being Christians, NO way, they were ‘MASQUERADING’ as Christians, giving a terrible name to the TRUE cause of JESUS Christ and His ‘True’ Church


  7. @Zoe… Just wondering…

    Do you understand the difference between “Agnostic” and “Atheist”?


  8. Peter Wickham has argued his point based on consistency of argument. Using the Bible to castigate homosexuals and marriage has no credence, because the same BIble supports a number of other immoral actions that so-called Christians find convenient to shun.

    Having said that, I believe each society has a right to determine the composition and accepted norms and values for the citizens therein. I am absolutely AGAINST GAY marriages.

    Barbados needs a population increase and Gay marriages are not beneficial to us economically or socially.

    Ever wondered about the next stage after gay marriages? We will have incestuous marriages. Fathers marrying their daughters, Fathers marrying their sons. Because they are consenting adults and they MUST have RIGHTS.

    Recall what happened when the financial market was so liberated in US. It ended in recession which we are still experiencing. Life is a balance!


  9. @MeHandsTied: “Barbados needs a population increase

    Based on what evidence?

    @MHT: “We will have incestuous marriages. Fathers marrying their daughters, Fathers marrying their sons. Because they are consenting adults and they MUST have RIGHTS.

    You are commingling the issues. As so many do.

    Incest is genetically unhealthy.

    Allowing same-sex couples to marry has not been shown to increase the incidence of incest.


  10. Decriminalising the use of marijuana leads to increased use of cocaine. another co-mingling of the issue. LIFE IS A BALANCE. There are always implications and effects.

    Allowing same sex couples to marry has not been shown to DECREASE the incidence of incest either. And I never said that same sex marriages would lead to an increase. I am saying that that is a natural normal logical progression to that point.

    If your argument is that incest is genetically unhealthy which we all know it s, Same sex marriages is socially unhealthy and why should genetically unhealthiness be given more attention than social unhealthiness.

    Barbados is a society made up of individuals. If those individuals are against same sex marriages no one should force or foist it on them.


  11. @MeHandsTied: “Decriminalising the use of marijuana leads to increased use of cocaine.

    Bullshit.

    Please tell us all why tobacco and alcohol are not considered “gateway drugs”?


  12. @MeHandsTied: “Barbados is a society made up of individuals. If those individuals are against same sex marriages no one should force or foist it on them.

    But perhaps not all Bajans are against same sex marriage.


  13. all the expert teachers of the word has conveniently ignored that their Leader when question about the many social evils of society and how to treat people who broke the laws and commandments His response so aptly fits in with the same very questions and arguments that society is facing today it is so clear that all of the same problems we are having He would have had to address as a leader and a devout Rabbi, not surprising that his answer goes to the very root and heart of society problems and in a most profound way should leave no one to debate or question his motives and the way we should treat others when HE said “Love the lord thy god with all thy heart. Secondly Love your NEIGHBOUR AS you love yourself. ” and upon these LIES All THE LAWSand the Commandments . it is as if this spititual leader and Rabbi recognised that mankind would face these problems to the end of time and they should be adress.


  14. Homosexuality and the End of Civilization.

    WorldNetDaily – November 9, 2010

    “Are Americans playing around with the end of civilization?
    Forget socialism and inflation; something else is already causing society to unravel”

    “For a long time it was an article of faith among Christians, conservatives and other traditionalists: They believed that when homosexuality becomes widely accepted and even celebrated in a society, that society starts to die. But such a notion, at least according to today’s secular progressive culture, is worse than a bad joke. It’s bigoted. It’s paranoid. It’s insane. Or is it? The November issue of WND’s monthly Whistleblower magazine, titled “AMERICA’S GAY OBSESSION,” says it’s not only not bigoted, paranoid or insane, but it’s absolutely historically true – and moreover, is where America is rapidly heading unless it reverses course. Here’s how one article from the issue, “The end-of-civilization question” by Brian Fitzpatrick, starts off:”

    “Most societies throughout history, even the wealthiest and mightiest, have eventually collapsed and died. Why? Why don’t they just continue to evolve and flourish forever as their knowledge and technology grow? What allows some cultures to continually bloom, and others to wither?”

    “This question – normally one of mere historical and academic concern – is increasingly relevant to millions of Americans as they behold their beloved nation struggling in the grip of unprecedented financial, political, cultural and moral conflict. Indeed, many are warning that America is not immune to the forces and influences that have caused other great empires to self-destruct. In particular, traditional-minded voices point to the rapid growth in America of homosexuality – not only its prevalence, but its virtual celebration – as eerily reminiscent of Sodom and Gomorrah, the ancient cities whose destruction due to rampant immorality is described in the Old Testament of the Bible.”

    “From the time of this nation’s founding all the way up until the current era, mainstream Americans held the Bible to be their ultimate guidebook, and the “Judeo-Christian values” it espoused as their highest principles. Today, however – especially throughout the elite realms of academia, science, government and the news and entertainment media – the Bible no longer retains the stature and universal credibility it once did. In its place, we listen to sociologists, scientists and other researchers and “experts.”

    “But what if the findings of “experts” – not necessarily those in thrall to irrational socialistic and atheistic philosophies, but those more in sync with the basic values that founded America and Western Civilization as a whole – lined up perfectly with those of the Bible? Such would present a powerful message – and warning – to the current generation of Americans, particularly regarding the dangers of sexual anarchy and homosexuality.”

    Read the rest here
    htpp://christiangovernance.co/news
    .


  15. @Zoe: “But what if the findings of “experts” – not necessarily those in thrall to irrational socialistic and atheistic philosophies, but those more in sync with the basic values that founded America and Western Civilization as a whole – lined up perfectly with those of the Bible?

    But what if, when you actually drill down, they don’t?

    You have a very interesting way of radiating a lot of language, but ignoring questions presented to you.


  16. Mankind just will NOT listen and LEARN, from facts and evidence of ancient Civilizations, who demise and ruination, historically, confirms exactly what God’s Word, the Bible, says and states will happen to rampant idolatry, and GROSS immorality, Homosexuality!

    “Whoa!” many might say. “Isn’t that just a bunch of superstitious, judgmental, dead-white-man talk that no one takes seriously anymore?” Depending on the reader’s worldview, such biblical warnings are an ancient and malevolent fairy tale, or else they resonate as strongly worded truth”.

    “But as this astonishing issue of Whistleblower carefully documents, the findings of the world’s greatest researchers of cultural decline are strikingly parallel to the Bible’s.”

    “Whistleblower’s exploration of “The end-of-civilization question” cites undisputed world-class authorities, from famous historian Arnold Toynbee to groundbreaking anthropologist J.D. Unwin, from the great Austrian economist Joseph Schumpeter to Presidential Medal of Freedom-winning historian Will Durant, author of the 11-volume series “The Story of Civilization,” and many others.”

    “Perhaps the definitive work on the rise and fall of civilizations,” writes Fitzpatrick, “was published in 1934 by Oxford anthropologist J.D. Unwin”:

    “In “Sex and Culture,” Unwin studied 86 human civilizations ranging from tiny South Sea island principalities to mighty Rome. He found that a society’s destiny is linked inseparably to the limits it imposes on sexual expression and that those sexual constraints correlate directly to its theological sophistication and religious commitment.”

    “Unwin noted that the most primitive societies had only rudimentary spiritual beliefs and virtually no restrictions on sexual expression, whereas societies with more sophisticated theologies placed greater restrictions on sexual expression, and achieved greater social development.”

    “In particular, cultures that adopt what Unwin dubbed “absolute monogamy” proved to be the most vigorous, economically productive, artistically creative, scientifically innovative and geographically expansive societies on earth.”

    WorldNetDaily.com


  17. @Zoe: “Mankind just will NOT listen and LEARN, from facts and evidence of ancient Civilizations, who demise and ruination, historically, confirms exactly what God’s Word, the Bible, says and states will happen to rampant idolatry, and GROSS immorality…

    Let me please ask you a very simple question, which I hope (but do not expect) you will answer: Did Jesus ever have sex?


  18. I have dealt extensively with this subject matter before here on BU; giving and quoting in detail, what Historians, Sociologists, Anthropologists, and Economists, NOT Christians, have carefully researched from ancient civilizations, re their DEMISE and FAILURE, always* linked DIRECTLY, to a deviation FROM the unit of FAMILY, Father and Mother, TO rampant
    homosexuality, See Zoe, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:58; 11:27; and 11:29 on BU, for much detail historical facts and analysist.


  19. @Zoe: “I have dealt extensively with this subject matter before here on BU

    And yet you wont answer a very simple question which you haven’t answered before.

    Let me please ask it again: Did Jesus ever have sex?

    The reason I ask this, Zoe, is you and yours have an annoying way of saying “I’ve already answered that!”, even though you haven’t.

    If you want to be taken seriously, answer questions presented to you.


  20. LOLOLOLOL

    Wait!!! Is this Chris Halsall the entity who “used to be called Chris Halsall” and who has now again reverted to the name Chris Halsall after confusing the blog with a long mixed up name…? .
    …or is this a ‘new’ Chris Halsall….

    Wait NO!!! 🙂 ….same fuzzy logic… It must be the one and only…

    Bushie tell wanna BU people already,…. If the people want to play in the toilet, let them play in the toilet…. That behavior is a direct consequence of the level of wickedness currently endemic in our world.
    It is a spiritual thing.
    The physical equivalent being the situation where, when a society fails to maintain high standards of cleanliness and hygiene, inevitably one sees significant increases in cases of deseases… Often in persons who had no connection with the root cause of the filth.

    When there is a breakdown in righteousness and justice, strange things begin to affect persons in that society.
    -The division between male and female becomes blurred….
    – The natural sexual orientation is disrupted
    – social normalcy is disrupted

    It is indeed a clear sign of a dying society….
    BUT what wanna expect – if the Titanic has already struck the iceberg and granny lays on her deathbed…?

    As ‘MeHandsTied’ says…. It is a delicate balance…