Proposed Location Of New Hospital Announced … No So Fast Mr. Minister!

Submitted by Crusoe

Donville Inniss – Minister of Health

Yesterday we heard the Minister of Health, Donville Inniss, indicate that the site chosen for the new $800MM hospital is in Kingsland. Firstly, I state that I am pleased that Donville Inniss has taken an open approach to the blogs, by choosing to comment. I also think that Donville has a good political future. However, there are issues related to the new hospital and its location, that I wish to highlight, as relevant to all projects.

Firstly, on the point of location, we are told that relevant stakeholders have discussed this, or at least the news report refers to the Town Planning etc. My question is, how can relevant stakeholders be seen to be consulted, when the citizens of the country have not had an input? This is not a canteen at a school, where the head and Board or Ministry can decide. This is an $800 million facility, the only major one, for the country. I am not saying that a referendum is necessary, but certainly town hall meetings and a public panel (we so love commissions and panels) is actually relevant here. Can we see a preliminary report, that demonstrates why the site is suitable as agreed by Government, Town Planning, doctors, the QEH administration?

How does one assess the issues caused by the new hospital being located at Kingsland, when all major medical assessments (private) are located in Belleville? Surely a more central location on the Highway route and closer to Bridgetown, such as Upper Wildey or  Haggatt Hall, or Waterford  etc would have been more suitable? That would have kept it closer to Belleville, the bus routes both Highway and Bridgetown and still had some open spaces for development?

Further, who is the land to be purchased from? Is it Sagicor?

In the interests of good planning and decision making, these are issues that need to be explained as having been assessed properly. I am not comfortable with a simple announcement.

Secondly, what are the specifications of the new hospital? Surely the specifications need to be addressed and agreed, before a decision on a fitting location is established? Have the specifications been agreed with doctors and an expert hospital planning consultant? Yes, we have good architects and engineers, but there are surely those who specialise in hospitals and healthcare, remember the phrase, measure twice, cut once?

Then, the issue of financing, how is this going to go forward and what project disclosures will be necessary. How will the Auditor General be involved in checking on expenditures to budget and authenticity?

Can Government commit to making this the FIRST fully transparent and properly implemented public project in Barbados? And please, no hand raising and pleads that other projects have been managed well, the past fifteen years have proved atrocious in public project management.

So, respectfully submitted in the interest of the country.

Regards

201 thoughts on “Proposed Location Of New Hospital Announced … No So Fast Mr. Minister!


  1. @ Min. Donville
    snip >>>Sandra Husbands
    Specifically about health it requires a long term focus of what we want to do, which informs short to medium term strategies. Yes prices will continue to rise as with everything, not just health care, so how will bajans live. it cannot be by families cutting out housing or clothing or…
    snip>>
    What is the best way to growth and what services do we wish to provide via the state or via self that will safeguard health for all. There are some creative public private sector partnerships that would ensure growth and resources to provide health care for citizens; there are phased
    approaches to distribution of health services which can be used.
    ****************************************

    What is this I reading about a PROPOSED HEALTH LEVY in today Nation?
    Why I thought we had a health levy already. For what now is this addition attributed to Dear Mr. Minister…..BU crossbows wid Sandra Husbands? Whatever,but we can’t take any more..

    Damm…Do you mean more money is planned to be racked in offa we already poor-rakey fragile salaries?….What about timing? Naw…this was but another slip of the lip (Ian Bourne)……not wid elections pending far less after a NO BALL Budget that gave nothing but froth. Where will we find money for this deduction Mr. Minister should your proposed levy be ‘wishfully’ implemented?


  2. How amusing, again this morning I am amazed at the knee jerk reactions of the Minister of Health. He announces a health levy, something he did not speak of in a budget, so he did not have the plan then. Nor last Friday at lunchtime lecture, his mind was full of Kingsland, records and ambulances. I wonder where he got the thought from, hmmmn. Policy formulation from the blog, neatly obliged by Mike King. ROFL if there was careful thought and planning which would have been more important a heath or environmental levy. IF HE WAS OPERATING FROM A PLAN RATHER THAN A PR SCRIPT, the hardship imposed on the elderly, poor, and residents and hike in prices, could have been avoided. A levy would have been the least painful way along with reduction of wastage. But no, he had to read it on a blog. How is he going to do and what conditions need to be present to make this a blessing and not a curse? Help us This blatant move by Donville simply exposes the fact that there is only a plan to build an image to fool the simple of mind that he is ready for prime time. Health deserves better


  3. @ Sandra Husbands
    What is going on here ? Why was this not included in the Budget ?……Is this how the planned increased austerity measures go come? Behind D bat and in the dark of night?…..Whaloss..things musse real bad……

    Ishaka again….JOKERS TEKK OVA.


  4. All comments duly noted – those loaded with partisan political venom and those that are more sober in thought. At the end of the day we will all strive to have a good and sustainable health system. Illness no knows political affiliation!

    For those who felt that the Minister of Health should have presented architectural drawings, engineering details, QS reports, landscape plans, etc; then I simply say that one of us must be mis-guided. At this stage and at this level a decision has been made on two issues – whether to build a new general
    hospital and where to build it.I will not ague with those who say that it is a political gimmick. Whatever is done will be seen that way by some.

    I invite my political opponents, whoever and wherever they are, to indicate whether you would have decided to build a new hospital and where would you have built it. The same technocrats you employed are the same that we have employed!
    I expect that this will be a political hot bed issue for a little while longer and I do entertain all views.

    Healthcare development, management and sustainability is not a simplistic matter as some opponents position it to be. It is much more than state of markets, cow itch, indiscriminate burning etc. Those things are important programmes that flow from policies which in turn have their origins in the views of our citizens. A lot of academic rhetoric just don’t cut it – get real.

    We could spend all day debating healthcare under the Bees vs under the Dees. At the end of the day we must all come right back to focussing on the way forward having learnt from past mistakes.


  5. Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn. Same fancy talk void of reality. Donville cross the floor do cuz the Dems gine get shell down…lol


  6. @ Mr. Minister, with all the respect,
    My point was that if you knew there would be another ask of us (levy) the people….why was it not included or released in the Budget ? Why I am sure the majority of Bajans would say…let’s put this one off till better times as we cannot afford it now. For real… we are feeling it BIG TIME..and can put off such plans til a brighter day. The present hospital isn’t burning down…..surely we can wait.


  7. @ Donville Inniss | July 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM |
    “A lot of academic rhetoric just don’t cut it – get real.”

    Isn’t that what you engage in every year when it comes to the de-bushing and cleaning of vacant lots? Every year you announce in the media your ministry’s intention to prosecute those owners of unsightly overgrown unkempt lots that despoil the environment and pose a threat to public health.

    You even threaten to carry out the necessary clean up and attach the cost to the land tax bills of which the non- payment of arrears could trigger a sale by public auction to recover costs.
    A tour around Barbados especially would put paid to your admonition of getting real.
    You dare not put the NHC in court for the woeful neglect of the lands under its ownership and care.
    The rains are upon us and I am staying tune for your annual PR (NATO) announcements!

    We are still awaiting your response regarding the groundwork and studies for the new hospital undertaken by the same Ministry under the previous administration. After four year you have done nothing but repeat the announcement of a new hospital. An announcement previously made by both Dr Walcott and Dr. Estwick. Now that is a classic case of “academic rhetoric”. Get real Mr. Minister, over 4 years and all we have is a parroted version of previous town criers.


  8. Mr Minister.
    Healthcare development, management and sustainability is not a simplistic matter as some opponents position it to be. It is much more than state of markets, cow itch, indiscriminate burning etc. Those things are important programmes that flow from policies which in turn have their origins in the views of our citizens. A lot of academic rhetoric just don’t cut it – get real.
    ********************************
    I guess what you are really saying….. ” Those things are important programmes that flow from policies “…. is that this increase levy was in THE WORKS from ever sense, and talking about it matters not…..

    But is OK, while what we may think now won’t change a thing…rest assured our time for CHANGING will come someday….simplistic too I may add.
    I will say out front that no policies could be that brazen and ill advised…to be looking to spend a $1ooo,Million in these times as they would be ludicrous, to say the least……

    On the other hand there are those who hold this is just a BIG PLAY near elections time as the Sin John Plyclinic won’t be ready in time….only time will tell Mr. Minister…only time will tell.


  9. This has got to be a first for the blogs on Barbados … two Political Opponents teeing off on the same blog before a general election …. Tip ya hat for the dedication of David the Blog Master … Cheers


  10. @ David:
    Do you know if the MoH ever announced a cost estimate for the building of the new hospital? It is noted that Crusoe mentioned a figure of $800 million. Others have alluded to an estimate figure of $1 billion.
    What is the official cost estimate, if any, from the MoH?


  11. @Miller

    Didn’t the minister mention on the other blog that he never mentioned the figure of 800 million? He stated that this was a figure associated with a discussion about a new hospital by others and the media ran with it.


  12. @ David | July 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM |

    So how come the Cabinet of the present administration can give the go ahead to build a new hospital and have not been presented with some Estimate of the overall cost. We know that any figures presented would have to be just estimates and that is about it. But don’t you think the people of Barbados should be given some idea of the amount such a huge infrastructural investment would cost the taxpayers. This would certainly result in additional taxes and a comprehensive range of user charges and levies? And don’t mention the impact on the foreign reserves in the long run.
    The same way a cost estimate was offered for the Pierhead marina that has not even seen the dropping of one single boulder in the sea don’t you think that the MoH must have a very good idea of the overall cost even if they start with those estimates produced by the many consultancies undertaken by both administrations over the last 7 years or so with an inflation factor added on for good measure.


  13. whether to build a new general
    hospital and where to build it.I will not ague with those who say that it is a political gimmick. Whatever is done will be seen that way by some.
    *************************
    Mr. Minister
    Man put up your hand…….you got everybody….gine down the gully path…yet another stunt for publicity…..”I will not argue with those who say it is a political gimmick”….LOL

    A whole wasted day on Brass tacks too.


  14. Barbados want a lot of things. A lot…..people in town (just get back ) real pissed off to…..How we could be in hay ….gine down every way but RIGHT.
    This hospital talk was going on since Dr. J. Walcott….and now resurfaces again at the end of a term…..really now. I wouldn’t back off David…I would fly…


  15. Wuh kinda of question is that her is a country who wants to atrract the best in tourism and we can,t even offer a decent hospital to tourist god forbide in an emergency yet we always wanting to have the rich and famious come to our shores who the hell in this day and age want to come to a country for long stay if the medical facilities are poor rakey it is about time we get something right.


  16. The MoH needs to tell us why there has been volte face on the part of the DLP administration regarding the QEH. What has transpired between the dismissal by the previous PM David Thompson of the proposal to build a new hospital as regurgitated from the BLP manifesto by Dr. Estwick and your current Eureka moment or epiphany? Have you now come to the sensible realization that the country needs a new hospital? If so, and the charge of plagiarism or copying the BLP manifesto promises would not be held against you by Dr. Walcott.

    EXTRACTED FROM THE DLP 2008 MANIFESTO
    HEALTH CARE FOR ALL
    Under a new DLP Government, health will once
    again be at the top of the national priorities list.
    A new DLP Government will immediately
    embark on a health promotion campaign
    to sensitize the public to the dangers of
    unhealthy lifestyles;
    We will intensify the campaign to stop the
    spread of HIV/AIDS;
    There will be no user-fees for public patients
    at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital;
    We will implement a “Rescue the Queen
    Elizabeth Hospital Plan” which will include:
    – Increasing the number of trained medical
    personnel.
    – Moving swiftly to effect change, including
    reduced waiting times, at the Accident
    & Emergency Department of the QEH.
    – Constructing a new Accident & Emergency
    wing and providing more beds and
    equipment.
    – Expanding the Asthma Bay.

    EXTRACTED FROM THE BLP 2008 MANIFESTO
    Tertiary Health Care
    Recognising there is no sense financially
    and in terms of patient care in completely
    refurbishing the present QEH, we will build
    a new state of the art Hospital, outfitted with
    the latest medical technology.


  17. @ Onions:

    Have you heard Minister Jones preaching the doomsday scenario to the teachers? No more stability but as OSA said we are on the brink.
    The IMF really got these fellas by their political balls and under very heavy manners


  18. @ miller
    The DLP PR machine (if there is one)..needs a serious overhaul. Each and everyday somebody saying what they like. But least we forget….there is no cohesion …..Eager 11 attitude still rides.


  19. One wonders if members of Cabinet collaborate before making public statements. Surely it is understood in an environment where government’s popularity is waning, certainly not climbing, statements must be crafted appropriately.


  20. @Mr.Minister et al, ”At this stage and at this level a decision has been made on two issues – whether to build a new general
    hospital and where to build it.I ”
    ————

    Understood Mr.Minister. However, to my humble mind, the specifications of the hospital, together with the requirements of such, whether it be to service only ‘standard’ illness and surgery cases or increased scope such as wider scope for specialist treatments, transplants etc, teaching section and so on, would guide the location, design and footprint of said hospital?

    This is aside from logistics such as transport access, location of other current medical facilities etc.

    For a major and necessary infrastructural unit, surely we build not just for today, but for the next twenty years?

    No?

    Regards


  21. @ old onion bags | July 16, 2012 at 1:23 PM |

    I suppose the likes of ac, !, to the point, BLPNationNewspaper, FracturedBLP and CCC would argue we are misquoting and misinterpreting Minister Jones. They would even say it is a conspiracy between the Nation Newspaper and VOB.

    Would be interesting to see if CBC or the Advocate carries this particular clip.
    The dlp fellas, getting real desperate and delusional.
    They need to tell the people the truth about the real health of the country’s finances both local and foreign.
    The way things sound seems as if the BLP got a real challenging job on its hands; worse than in 1994. September 2012 would be 10 times as bad as September 1994. This is an election to lose if I were the BLP. Too much shit hitting the fan and there are no cleaning materials around. Poor OSA, I feel for him! Look what that damned labour party (dlp) gone and done to Bim!


  22. @miller

    It can’t be the same as the estimated cost four years ago on land already owned by gov’t. The purchase of the land at Kingsland alone means more money. But didn’t David Thompson claimed they could build it for less than $500m?


  23. @ David
    “Does Barbados need a new hospital?”
    ****************
    Surely David, THIS is a question to be discussed and debated rather than WHERE to place it. Indeed the really correct question is this: “What is the order of priority of the various capital assets, which all NEED to be implemented in this island at this time? ”

    These include but are not limited to:
    – Modern tourism infrastructure to support our main income generator
    – Renewable energy infrastructure to reduce our excessive fuel bill
    – A meaningful and sustainable solid waste disposal scheme
    – A comprehensive agricultural development framework
    – A meaningful mass transportation network
    – Some kind of control of our international transport assets
    – A fancy new hospital ( so that we can continue to live like idiots on fast food and then run to it for patch up)
    – Etc etc

    …so just because a just- come-soon-gone minister wake up one morning and need to give a speech somewhere to attract attention, we suddenly “need a new hospital?….”. Stupesss !!!

    ..It is easy to identify a fool……he is always looking for ways to be parted from the few cents in his pocket.

    Now look at Cuba….. Poor as church mice, yet people go there for medical services…..
    Do they have new multi-billion- dollar hospitals…? Bushie thinks not….. What they DO have are universities that ACTUALLY produce intelligent and productive graduates instead of conceited non-performers with grandeoise off the cuff ideas.

    What new hospital what??!!


  24. @David
    I did venture to suggest almost a year or so ago that the BLOGS will be more important in the next general election than they were in the last . Astute politicians mindful of the narrow margins between victory and defeat in Barbados Elections need votes and when an audience is available to hear either DLP or BLP, they will soon make their voices heard..

    You have not seen anything yet; the” very Brave” will use their own names for it is known:

    “The brave, ’tis true, do never shun the light:
    Just are their thoughts, and open are their
    tempers;
    Freely without disguise they love or hate:
    Still are they found in the fair face of day,
    And Heaven and men are judges of their actions.”


  25. Does the minister know that part of the Kingsland Estate was a garbage dumping site for many years?


  26. @Bush Tea

    It seems kind of silly to be discussing the building of a new hospital as a standalone priority (John Public can only discuss based on information available). Even if we need a new hospital, the previous government agreed, we have to acknowledge that given the current state of play strategic priorities must be ordered with precision.


  27. @ David | July 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM |

    @Miller

    Didn’t the minister mention on the other blog that he never mentioned the figure of 800 million? He stated that this was a figure associated with a discussion about a new hospital by others and the media ran with it………………

    David, miller,

    During the latter part of the BLP government, the then Minister of Health announced that the then government was going to build a new state of that art hospital at the cost of $800 million. They said they had done all the impact studies and that was
    the figure the experts came up with.

    As soon as that announcement was made, Dr Esther Byer Suckoo who was the then DLP’s spokesperson on Health, in a huff and puff like she always appears to be, said that when the DLP got in, they would get the people of Barbados a new hospital at a cheaper cost, $700 million. Just out of the blue, just so!

    When David Estwick was minister, whilst he was at an award gala announcing a new hospital was going to be built, his PS whispered in his ears that he was no longer the minister and that the PM had reshuffled the cabinet. Now we have another minister announcing a new hospital.

    Minister, tell us if you commissioned impact studies or if there are even sketch drawings so far and we will believe that this is not a gimmick.

    By the way, part of Kingsland estate was a garbage dump for years!


  28. Tell the Health Minister to stop trying to score cheap votes by trying to distract the populace with a promise of a New Hospital. When he has so much other urgent issues to adress in the health sector, such as the firing of the Director of H.R at the Q.E.H. They are dismissing Directors annually, while turning the hospital into a family affair,tell the people of Barbados who the hostessess are that were just employed at the Hospital. If he does’nt know tell him to ask Mrs. Sandiford.
    Tell Mr. Minister the Geriatric Hospital still falls under his Ministry, check the deplorable state of the general office buliding. Tell the public the position with the St. John Polyclinic to date.


  29. @David
    The engagement of the candidates speaks well for interaction and the reach of the blog. In retrospect it also speaks to the “feelings and concerns” of the goodly Minister on the national and constituency stage. I can only wish him well as I have all (two) others


  30. @ BAFBFP
    what Bushie is drinking is freely available – like bush…. But you only drink the expensive stuff like onions and MME…. 🙂

    @ enuff
    Y Bushie don’t run for Parliament…?
    *******
    The bushman would not last as long as a fish cake near mauby… Leaders are reflections of their people, and people always get the leaders that they deserve.
    Bajans and Bushmen – Wrong fit!

    @ David
    “Silly” is not the word to describe it. We would need a combination of BAFBFP and Negroman in full stride, to adequately articulate the level of idiocy of just arbitrarily deciding to ” bill a new horsespital”

    ….not even in monopoly does one contemplate such expenditures without due consideration of the pros and cons, and of cost benefit analysis.

    Stupseeee … No wonder we spent so much on things like the Harrison Cave and George Washington House – perhaps some minister had to give a speech and could not find anything else to say….


  31. all this political plat ha foaming and frothing coming from the BLP yard flows mouths about the new hospital not one block has been laid but fire and brimstone coming down like hell fire yet not one of them have addressed the Giveaway budget of the BLP costing more than i billion dollars but got nerve to get up in here and talk about 8million dollar in a hospital. wunna a bunch of hypocrites . wunna full of crap talking about money and then some nitwit talking about cuba the hospitals are crappy that kind of third world mentality is wuh got the country in the mess always waiting for the last minute to do something meanful. as cost arise there is no way that barbados would ever be able to build a hospital in the near future but in the mean while keep throwing good money after bad but then again “that’s Bajan”


  32. “Now look at Cuba….. Poor as church mice, yet people go there for medical services…..Do they have new multi-billion- dollar hospitals…? Bushie thinks not…..What they DO have are universities that ACTUALLY produce intelligent and productive graduates instead of conceited non-performers with grandeoise off the cuff ideas.”

    Bushie you have written something profound for a change and I must tell you that I agree wholeheartedly with that statement. I would go a step further and say look at the calibre of athletes they have produced and continue to produce with very little money and fancy facilities. A pretty building and fancy equipment does not mean you will get good health care when you got Idiots running the show. Kudos to you you bushie!


  33. all it would take is a natural disaster for that dump to fall to the ground then everybody that talking all the poop would be the first to have all the questions and the solutions . Wait! and Wait! nobody learned nothing from Haiti and them outdated buildings and it is almost laughable that a citizens of barbados would want to subject themselves to the confinements of a hosiptal like those in cuba


  34. This government out of pure spite refused to build the flyovers to help with the traffic on the section between the Graeme Hall and Garfield Sobers roundabout.

    And to think that they are now floating a bone headed idea about putting a new hospital in Kingsland. Has this minister ever been on this section of the highway on a school morning or on the Wildey section between LOB and Carters? The traffic is sometimes backed up from Tino Terrace right up to the roundabout. MPT has now blocked off the exit at Warners, so you have no way to turn.

    Utter madness and minister, part of Kingsland was a garbage dump for many years, in case you do not know!


    • @Prodigal Son

      The worst Minster Innis can be accused of is ‘flying a kite’.

      It is something former Prime Minister Arthur perfected, hiking water and bus fares come to mine and floating the idea of a Referendum.


  35. @ac

    Don’t knock Cuban Hospitals if you have not experienced them. They are clean and sanitary inside. The staff are professional and current and equipment is top notch. Both my son and I have been treated at one.

    The Cubans had the only facility in the western world that could treat the children suffering from radiation poisioning after Chernobyl. No other country if the did, volunteered their services.


  36. @Esterlin,
    They are dismissing Directors annually, while turning the hospital into a family affair,tell the people of Barbados who the hostessess are that were just employed at the Hospital. If he does’nt know tell him to ask Mrs. Sandiford………….

    Wait Esterlin, this government still hiring people and increasing the government wages and salaries bill every month even though the government does not have money, all the while borrowing from the NIS to pay civil servants every month?

    These people are priceless! The Dems do not tell Barbadians that they have added over 6000 supporters to the government payroll since 2008! Priceless!


  37. “Wuh kinda of question is that her is a country who wants to atrract the best in tourism and we can,t even offer a decent hospital to tourist god forbide in an emergency yet we always wanting to have the rich and famious come to our shores who the hell in this day and age want to come to a country for long stay if the medical facilities are poor rakey it is about time we get something right.”

    That is the problem right there , we can only do something nice and decent for the tourist and never for the locals. The QEH is another victim of the way we treat our people, our facilities and buildings. We do not have a strong record for maintaining our buildings. If we really valued our hospital it would NEVER have gotten to be in the state it is in today! Look at the UK and the USA where some of the oldest hospital buildings are still in service. Both governments previous and present are a bunch of wastrels with no regard for the public purse and its citizens. Another glaring example is the public library.


  38. AC take what Pat said and swallow it! You love to shoot your mouth off and mek nuff noise only because yuh got a mouth! Girl talk some sense fuh a change nuh?


    • We should try to add to the discussion in a meaningful way so that others in policymaking positions can have takeaways.


  39. because of vision we all will perish not unusual for bajans to take the later . here is a dilapidated hospital outdated and people would prefer to put spend more money patching it year after year in the millions of dollars wouldn’t be surprised if after all the years of patch work the cost might have been enough to build a new hospital . it is usually after the horse bolts out of the door that everybody tries chasing it.Bajan stlye

    @ POOR ME!

    POOR YOU! !


  40. Sorry Islandgirl

    Fell asleep there for a moment. You are right, Kerry is a PhD and the Daddy is a Knight. I get these titles mix up all the time. If these are the Halls that you are referring to well then my answer would have to be yep ..!


  41. We will implement a “Rescue the Queen
    Elizabeth Hospital Plan” which will include:
    – Increasing the number of trained medical
    personnel.
    – Moving swiftly to effect change, including
    reduced waiting times, at the Accident
    & Emergency Department of the QEH.
    – Constructing a new Accident & Emergency
    wing and providing more beds and
    equipment.
    – Expanding the Asthma Bay”

    FOR MY ONE ONE, I THINK THE ABOVE IS A BETTER OPTION THAN BUILDING A NEW HOSPITAL. fOR ALL ITS REAL OR IMAGINED PROBLEMS, THE QEH REMAINS ONE OF THE BETTER HEALTH CARE FACILITIES IN THE CARIBBEAN IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE AND DELIVERY OF CARE. WITHOUT VISIONARY MANAGEMENT AND ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO SATISFACTORILY MAINTAIN THE PLANT IN ALL OF ITS STRATEGIC AREAS THE NEW HOSPITAL WOULD SUFFER THE SAME FATE THE QEH IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING.


  42. Wow we are getting new hospital. Yippppppppeeeee. Are we going to get new doctors from over and away. Because alot of the ones here think them All knowing, All up-a-tee and defintely lack professionalism…..


  43. “Don’t knock Cuban Hospitals if you have not experienced them. They are clean and sanitary inside. The staff are professional and current and equipment is top notch. Both my son and I have been treated at one.”
    USUALLY THE ONES THAT ARE USED BY VISITORS BUT GENERALLY , THE STATE OF THE HOSPITALS LEAVES MUCH TO BE DESIRED.


  44. That is the problem right there , we can only do something nice and decent for the tourist and never for the locals. The QEH is another victim of the way we treat our people, our facilities and buildings..

    maybe it is the way the people want to be treated most of the time political decision are made on the sentiments of the public improving a country’s image is crucial and health is one of those areas there is no if ands or buts than when people travel there might be health related problems that would require emergency treatment it is also important to realise that there are those who if because of the lackof timely or quick service would use whatever method necessary to make government pay for any problem that they might have incurred because of the results of substandard quality of health care if we want to be accepted as a first rate nation we should not only talk it but act it. in any event the outcry on BU is not surprising since it is all wrapped up in political grandstanding and not what is best for the country and its people . yet not one peek yea or nay from the same prophets of doom over the recent BLP budget proposal of i billion dollar giveaways at the taxpayers expense .


  45. Antigua just get a spanking new Horsepittal a couple years ago. Will not hear ’bout such things in Ba’bados because it serves in the interest of many to keep Bajans separated from their sisters and brothers in the rest of the Caribbean.


  46. what sense does it make in up keeping something when it is costing more to maintain annually over the years i have heard more negative about QEH than positive now the time has come to make change the belly aches everybody stuttering pessimistic the politics of divided and conquer swells like a tsunami but no solutions coming forward and those that object stuck in reverse mode. lets face it the hospital has outlived its usefulness and it is time for it to be replaced with a state of the art facility something that bajans would be proud of and boast about.there are tough decision one must make and when the chips are down and there is no one listening one must still stand on what is right and not what is popular


  47. “maybe it is the way the people want to be treated most of the time political decision are made on the sentiments of the public improving a country’s
    image is crucial and health is one of those areas there is no if ands or buts than when people travel there might be health related problems that would require emergency treatment it is also important to realise that there are those who if because of the lackof timely or quick service would use whatever method necessary to make government pay for any problem that they might have incurred because of the results of substandard quality of health care if we want to be accepted as a first rate nation we should not only talk it but act it.”

    AC you really think that a new horspitall will change the way healthcare is delivered on this island? Fool yourself not! We still have the same Bad management system, disgusting work ethics and the same bad minded staff to work with.


  48. @island gal

    yes we have plenty problems in the human resources area but should the problems be compounded by having a poor and antiquated health facility and further more one should realise that a poor working environment can be a cause of poor attitude among workers


  49. @ ac | July 16, 2012 at 10:01 PM |
    “..lets face it the hospital has outlived its usefulness and it is time for it to be replaced with a state of the art facility something that bajans would be proud of and boast about”.

    BLP 2008 manifesto pledge:
    “Recognising there is no sense financially and in terms of patient care in completely refurbishing the present QEH, we will build a new state of the art Hospital, outfitted with the latest medical technology.”

    Ac ,are you Ok (compos- mentis)? What’s up with this damascene conversion?
    Sounds as if you have joined the BLP choir and singing from the same 2008 manifesto hymn sheet. All you have to do is get your Cell 4 DLP technicians ! and to the point to follow suit and bury their pride while eating humble pie! One wonders what it would take to become a DLP turncoat: Listen up my dear people we have closed Mount Stinkerro but are building a cell next door to raise its evil brother from Greenland.


  50. @ Miller
    can you imagine AC being a BLP ! any how if you want to be bipartisian on this project i am all fuh dat.

    @ island gal
    what good is it throwing the baby out with the bathe tub .


  51. @ Islandgal
    What d Shirt!!!! You finaly agree wid de Bushman….???
    LOL this could be the start of a special relationship…. 🙂

    ac – you talking more nonsense now than onions…. By the time the Olympics peaking you going be in top form…

    Apart from the knee jerk idea of building a new horsespital the problem that we face is even worse than one of poor attitudes in a new environment.

    The REAL PROBLEM with the QEH has nothing to do with the building – it is to do with the IDOITIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM which allows those big-up doctors (WHOSE ONLY REAL AIM IN LIFE IS TO BECOME MULTI- MILLIONAIRES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and as easily as possible so that they can drive around in Mercedes and buy big houses) to exploit the hospital and the patients.

    These “doctors” use the public facilities to do their own business; take advantage of sick patients – extracting every last cent with expensive tests (they all own test labs); force patients to opt to see them privately – or wait MONTHS for slapshod attention;

    How the hell does a new horsespital solve that?

    When the minister can address that problem he may find that the QEH can become a world class hospital.


  52. Whether a new hospital is required is debatable but for heaven’s sake please do not bring Cuba into the discussion. Cuba is an “outlier” i.e. a statistical anomaly, there are factors are at play in Cuba that Bajans would only accept vi et armis (hope my Latin still works).

    A debate is healthy, but compare apples to apples not eggs to oranges.


  53. @ Sargeant | July 16, 2012 at 10:59 PM |
    There are also factors at play in Cuba that would facilitate the transfer and attraction of tourism investment away from Barbados to the costas of Cuba. Not by “force of arms” but by effective marketing, proper service much lower prices, exotic and varied attractions and a a serious cultural offerings not diluted with vulgarity and American commercilism. Isn’t Cuba a growing hot number for Canadians?


  54. @bush Tea

    not surprised at your point of view it is being consistent in keeping things the way they are in the bushman world that is called “justifiable:” and “great ideas “that is why we have run down and dilapidated buildings all over the place because of people like you who always had ” great ideas ” of doing nothing .solutions are what is needed and not a lot of empty rheroteric..


  55. “Antigua just get a spanking new Horsepittal a couple years ago.”
    i am happy for them.they definitely needed one; so does st vincent, st lucia , dominica, st kitts.


  56. “There are also factors at play in Cuba that would facilitate the transfer and attraction of tourism investment away from Barbados to the costas of Cuba. Not by “force of arms” but by effective marketing, proper service much lower prices, exotic and varied attractions and a a serious cultural offerings not diluted with vulgarity and American commercialisam. Isn’t Cuba a growing hot number for Canadians”

    The most attractive factor that would attract tourism investment or anything related away from Barbados is the low cost of the service especially for visitors who earn canadian, euros or pounds. The tax on the us dollar has added an additional cost to business transactions done in us currency but the impact of this iniquitous tax which reduces the value of remittances from the us would also significantly affect more those like us from the caribbean who have to purchase us dollars to do business in cuba as opposed to those who earn the currency.
    Cuba always seem to be short of liquid currency even though their workers are paid substandard wages; so their marketing is done by the expatriates who share the tourism infrastructure with the cuban authorities.
    The work ethic is institutionalised and fear driven so there is no problem with absenteeism with the party operative breathing down your back in every sphere of activity to ensure that the image of cuba as the land of utopia remains intact and the system is praised for all that is good. Since dissent is not tolerated, service has to be generally good especialy in tourism related business.
    and attractions and cultural offerings while not diluted with the vulgarity on display at Cropover passing for culture does on interaction offer/provide more opportunities for one on one clandestine high quality engagement with attractive senoritas at affordable prices.
    so mr miiler read my lips.


  57. “what sense does it make in up keeping something when it is costing more to maintain annually over the years”
    can’t fault the statement depending on how you look at it; but if the new hospital is not properly maintained because of inadequate finance which would always be a problem with the upkeep of this kind of institution where the majority obtaining the service does not pay then i maintain the same fate would befall the new hospital. Why didn’t Pres Obama build more government hospitals rather than forcing the people unser threat of penalty tax to purchase health care insurance because of the costs attached to running health care. Any future administration would have to bite the bullet and consider such a proposal to make persons responsible for their health care with a means test in place to take care of the vulnerable and less fortunate or the new hospital would suffer the same fate as the old one. just waking up one morning with saliva in your mouth in announcing you gun build a new hospital in some unsuitable location is not all. such long term decisions all for serious thought and dialogue with the relevant stakeholders and should not seem to be an afterthought.


    • The world tourist is flocking to Cuba because it opens up a different vista. Destinations like Eastern Europe, Cuba, Korea etc bring a diversity which many are curious to explore. Perhaps we can get back to the topic at hand? We have many tourism blogs to share views if we want.


  58. @ac, ac, ac,…(head shaking)…

    For me, if you read above, I have not said that we (dependant on APPROPRIATE long term financing) cannot or should not build a new faiclity, appropriately outfitted.

    But, EVERY PROJECT must have adequate assessment, planning, design, implementation and continued follow up.

    That is BASIC project planning for fosh sakes!?!?!?!

    So, I ask the Minister, whom I have no bone with, I only wish to understand the rationale for the locale, and ac runs down the road screaming and holding her head.

    Gosh!!??!

    Let’s think clearly hear, ac. If you going build a porch, are you going tell yuh hubbie and the contractor (build it dey, nuh)?

    Or are you going to work out what you need, such as breeze passing through, barbeque area, bar area, hammock area, how many peoples it is to hold and then design to suit and work out with your hubbie and contractor, where is the best placement to suit facilities?

    And this aint nuh porch at home, this is a major, THE ONLY major, medical facility servicing three hundred plus locals and medical visitors!

    So, likewise, are we going to say, place it dey, nuh!?!

    Come on ac. Let us be reasonable, sit back and make logical assessments, instead of accusing veryone of being partisan.

    And you can be sure, ifit was the BLP administration doing this, my questions would be the very same.

    After all, I am still waiting on the final financial statement and cost details for Kensington to come to us lil humble igrunt fellas, like me, suh I cud read and see where the hexpenditure was,

    ac, happy now?


  59. “The world tourist is flocking to Cuba because it opens up a different vista. Destinations like Eastern Europe, Cuba, Korea etc bring a diversity which many are curious to explore. Perhaps we can get back to the topic at hand? We have many tourism blogs to share views if we want.”
    correct me if i am wrong but my impression was that the forum was for education and enlightenment and trivialities like under which blog informed comment should be placed would not invite negative comment; that said i suggest that the western world is flocking to cuba because of lower prices and its strangeness.


  60. It should be obvious why BU would ask bloggers to treat with the topic at hand. However if you want to make a big deal of it carry on smartly.


  61. Crusoe phase one of the poroject:is therev a real need for a new building.if the answer is NO then there is nothing to discuss however i believe that the govt has gone past that phase with a decesion that a new hospital is necessary and that i agree on. now when it comes to the plans involved i do not know all the details but i would say that like you i would like to be a little more informed however my stances remain that the old hospital is derelict and it is time for change. and the l


  62. as for the tourist numbers one must nt ignore the fact that thousands of cuban refugees hav been grated permission under Obama govt to visit cuba and most of them are american citizens which could be classified as tourist maybe some one can clarify for me.


  63. I don’t think we need a new hospital, the QEH just need renovating. I’ve seen hospitals renovated with patients in them, prime example is one in London, don’t recall the name. We are forunate to have another hospital idle in St Peter, it would be cheaper to bring that one up to scratch and hose some patients , if necessary; the government will have the use of it later. Finally, what then is the plans for the QEH when the new FSH or DIH, is built? Can’t name it after DT because he was never in favor of buildingf a new one.


  64. @scout what u say is true. Bring de one in de north up to scratch to take the pressure off de QEH and spend de de money upgrading de present and surrounding properties all of that should not cost 800mil ,so that de ppl in de north would not have to come town to go A&E.


  65. @ equal rights and justice | July 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM |

    Hasn’t this property been leased to some foreign entity?


  66. @miller wha u say is true it has been leased,but i believe the money can be better spent in theses times by upgrading the current hospital and expanding to the surrounding lands,but the problems does come when de ppl that should be ordering de equipment and building de hospital are not the ones doing de work and in de long run it end up like de lions building Get de right ppl that actually specialize in building hospitals to lay down the frame work. Cause some big head body bought 2 big walk in autoclaves for CSD dept when they came de ppl realize that they could not get then on de B floor so they lived in the crates they came in out side de corridor by de lab fa ah long time ,so another smart person decide to lick ah hole from outside and get ah crane to lift them in now that their are in and it took so long they are now outdated as de ppl who they bought them from don’t make parts for them anymore and up to this day they have not sterilize 1 instrument De QEH ppl got ah plant that can fill oxygen bottles but it pleases de QEH to pay to get the bottles filled elsewhere,de problem aint de QEH it is de lack of de ppl at de top not listening to de actual worker pun de ground and getting lil feed back before they go and spend de ppl money


  67. I take no pleasure in repeating what I said yesterday that the Minister was flying a kite to distract and to take the focus off of the economy by putting this ” we building a new hospital” out there.

    The Dems had to know that this was coming, these agencies normally notify in advance, hence the long talk from the Governor that nobody can do better than what we are doing, Frank Alleyne’s lukewarm performance on Sunday’s Brasstacks and Ronald Jones’ comments yesterday.

    Dems, you see now why you should not lie. The governor said the economy stable a few days ago, the Cave Hill economists said the economy is stagnating and the DLP politicians cuss the Cave Hill economist saying that they are Bees.

    I weep for my country because better could be done only if the knuckle heads would listen. But they were intent on doing things their way as Donville Inniss and Chris Sinckler said in the House to Mia……”wunnah had wunnah time,14 years, now is we time and we gine do things we way!”


  68. i waiting like most bajans who are getting this news to hear what this news means and how the gov’t plan to reply to this news from S&P.


  69. FROM AN EARLIER THREAD……ONIONS proffered

    We are already knee deep in the bogs…..trying to walk in this swamp is taking a toll..employees are dropping like flies weekly….prices rising daily as we speak…. the awfully sad part is …WE were looking for a CHANGE IN DIRECTION (Budget )….Would you believe these morons..have seen our plight now for two n half years and after continually being warned…. to change direction,… with talk of a “MTFS death print”…we continue to trod deeper n deeper into the quick sand….with a silly idea….world economies will change….Why only yesterday….it was discovered by an intln financial journalist ..the world $$ BIG UPs like it that way….and have begun manipulating the money market and interest rates to maintain the status quo..Keep looking for relief to come from abroad..!

    LOOKS LIKE THE TURKEYS HOME TO RUSE….


  70. @ Scout
    Could this really be the reason for Donville’s clever distraction (new hospital).?..So I take it you believe the news was received earlier…interesting.


  71. “as for the tourist numbers one must nt ignore the fact that thousands of cuban refugees hav been grated permission under Obama govt to visit cuba and most of them are american citizens which could be classified as tourist maybe some one can clarify for me.”
    cuban emigrants were always allowed to visit cuba. what pres obama has done has increased the amount of remittances they can send to cuba.


  72. Living in the Kingsland area I fully support Kingsland as the site for the new hospital, knowing that relief will finally come to the beleaguered residents in this area, and around , from :-
    (a) The redundant SSA dump , east of Wotton, or is it Kingsland ? plantation house , which is perpetually burning and emiting an irritating smell at time.
    (b) The smell from the super chicken farms near the Coral Ridge Cemetery. With their jet plane type of exhaust fans, they blanket the many communities downwind with a real ‘fowl’ smell.(last night was bad)
    (c) Over in Lowlands the Chickmont chicken processing plant , as early a 11 am on some mornings, and could last into the night , burn some material which gives off some obnoxious smells, affecting residents as far as Gall Hill, and reminiscent of the Tear and CN gases used in riot control, making one ‘s eyes water, and stomach feeling nauseous.
    (d) Except for the noises of planes going into the Airport, the area would be classified as a silent zone, and this should put paid to the nightly and weekend motor car and bike racing on this section of the ABC Highway, which keep residents awake moreso than a jumbo jet going into Grantley Adams or Karoake at the village rumshop.


  73. Kingsland not high enough. Bring it to St. George we have plenty room and if a tsunami reach it up here everyone in Barbados will be dead already so it wont be needed.

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