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Richard Goddard

I am not usually moved to write on the opinions of “private persons”, because they are just individual opinions, which people are entitled to have.  However, in this instance the opinions were expressed in a National Paper, quoted on BU (Barbados Underground) and caused me some concern, also in a general way they made reference to Barbadians, of which I am one – see Barbados Advocate article by Richard Goddard).

May I first quote the passages as you might not share my concerns, which of course you are entitled to do.

Quote: “In the recent series of public lectures on the 1937 Riots, although the speakers mentioned that Payne was a Marxist, no one explained what Marxism had done between 1930 and 1940 in Russia (USSR) under Joseph Stalin, killing 20 million of its own people.  Recent events in the UK in August 2011, with the riots in London, Manchester, Bristol, to name some of the cities which lasted over four days of rioting, looting and arson, causing over £1 billion Sterling in damage”….

Unquote: This is surely a leap of the imagination, what connection is there between the London Riots and Marxism?  I am not aware that in any of the judgements made in the Courts – to the vandalism and theft – or in the subsequent inquiry there was mention of a Marxist connection. Are we to link riots with Marxism when they occur or suppose that Marxism is a precursor to riots.

If you accept that in instances some hyperbloe is used to advance an argument, even that cannot excuse the above.   The next passage to my mind caused deeper offence.

Quote: ….”BBC Television gave up-to-minute coverage of these riots, and I am sure that no one in their right mind would be celebrating these events 1 year or 75 years afterwards.  That is how civilised society should conduct itself”.

Unquote: Barbados, therefore we are led to believe is celebrating uncivilised behaviour – riots – and the UK a civilised society would not do such a thing.  First to Riots, people have at times rioted when they felt aggrieved or their concerns were not being properly addressed.  The venting of anger is often comparable to the length of time they have been denied what they believe to be justice.

In the UK people have rioted in the past, even before the Gordon riots of June 1780 when about 285 people were shot dead, about 200 wounded around 450 rioters arrested……a Religious issue.

Also in the UK in June 1919 …”about 400 Canadian soldiers attacked the Police station in Epson.  When the rioters stormed the Police Station, it was defended by 16 officers armed with wooden truncheons.  During the ensuing fighting 11 policemen were injured, and Sargeant Thomas Green aged 51 was fatally wounded when he was hit on the head with an iron bar.  He died in Epsom hospital the next day without having regained consciousness.”  The Canadian soldiers’ grievance was that they were not returned to Canada as quickly as they would have liked after the War.

On the 10 June 1940 Mussolini the Italian Dictator declared war on Great Britain and France.  That night across the country- UK – angry riots broke out in many British cities mobs ransacked Italian property, mainly businesses, smashing windows and looting shops.”

People do riot when there is a believed reason to do so and there is latent tension.  Do note in the riots to which I have referred you would have been hard pushed to see a” black face” in the riots.

Citizens through-out the world have at times used violence in the pursuit of a believed just cause.  Note Nelson Mandella, many today celebrate his name and there is nothing uncivilised about it.  Barbadian society should not be labelled as uncivilised or thought of as such, because they celebrate not the riot but someone who sought to promote a more equal society in a Barbados where systematic prejudice and discrimination found favour and succour, as it dragged its carcass between the Yacht Club, Aquatic Club and other such established businesses in a Barbados of that period.


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  1. @Yard Broom

    very well articulated. You have not mentioned the slave rebellions or riots or whatever we chose to call them. They rioted against an unjust system., Goddard would say that the Bussa Rebellion should not be celebrated, but we can keep a statute of Nelson because it represents people like him and his ilk thought pattern.


  2. the poor old guy can’t see the forest for the trees! and to think they are others like him truly frigthening! and after 76years he can’t understand the difference.


  3. Is this a case of Richard Goddard going dotty or a malicious attempt to misinform?


  4. no this is a case of a man who for 76years had felt that the riots were wrong and now he is expressing his feelings before he takes his last breathe !A true Confession! i will bet he is one of those people that have talk and laughed with blacks all his life and might have even referred to them “As his best friends”and behind their backs think very little of them and when it comes to black getting justice would be the first to stand in the way

  5. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    AC

    There are things on which we agree after all.


  6. Waiting to read John’s intervention, it has been long in coming. But if we accept Yardbroom’s challenge to Goddard’s view is it reasonable to expect a clarion call by local historians for him to withdraw his erroneous view?


  7. Why, John is 76 years ol’ too. What do you expect from him … ha ha ha


  8. In fact so too is Zoe, Moneybrain and Duppy Lizard. Wait Robert, how ol’ you is …?


  9. @ Yard Broom, I concur fully with your well expressed and balanced view; Goddard, is way off base in this regard, as what gave rise to the ‘riots’ irrespective of the catalyst, Clement Payne, though an Marxist, and not a Bajan, is not the point of rememberance, though the celebration of Payne, as a National Hero, is debateble, when a White Bajan, A.E.S. “TT” Lewis, who, as Prof, Hilary Beckles, stated, ‘crossed’ rivers far wider than his contempory Blacks of his time, was NOT choosen as a National Hero, and should have been included in that first list of ten.


  10. There is still in Barbados a lot of colur prejudice, Goddard is not the only one. To me, the 1937 uprising, more so than a riot, caused the whites to see the blacks in a different light. I was told about it by my parents and also told about the hard times our people only a generation ago had to endour. Thanks to the “riots” we are who we are today. History has a way of repeating itself, the average to poor black person in this country are again smelling hell and something has to give. Hopefully our government whether DLP or BLP find a method to ease the hardship. I would never like to experience a riot especially in this violent climate that exist today.


  11. why would one call for a retraction from goddard .”isn’t honesty the best policy” his views are not singular he is speaking for awhole lot like himself who see the blacks as lawless and indifferent to law and do not have any right to challenge authority . Blacks seeit and live it everyday! the goddards have there own set of rules and once challenged they fire back not always with bullets but with scorn and riducle .one would think that after 76years on this earth he would know better but his resentment has grown worst over the years and he be damned if any march comes about without letting his feelings be heard “i am Mr, goddard and i am not going to sit idly by like in 1937 and say nothing about these niggers march” so he uses the only limited power available to him that is the pen.


  12. I think part of the problem is referring to 1937 as a Riot, it was an Uprising or a rebellion so in fact was LA in 1991 over the Rodney King issue, which to me seems similar? But I believe it is given the wrong title and also that should be a Holiday not Jan 21 nor Apr 28 – there are too many Public Holidays in Barbados! But July 26 is our true Independence, IMHO


  13. I got the impression from the article that the Riots in the UK were being compared with the riots here and the point being made was that Riots are not a cause for celebration.

    Years ago I went to a lecture by Professor Woodville Marshall at Unity House on Clement Payne.

    It was my understanding that that Clement Payne was recruited by an organisation in Trinidad as an agent provocateur, can’t remember the name of the organisation, and sent to Barbados to stir up trouble.

    It is a fact of history that Marxist ideology was being exported throughout the world through the 1920’s and 30’s. The Russian Revolution of 1917 attracted many adherents.

    Communism is extremely attractive.

    Clement Payne was simply a tool being used to achieve this end in Barbados.

    I seem to remember Prof Marshall making the point that the TT authorities (British) were well ahead of the plan through informers and warned the Barbados authorities (also British) about the real purpose of the visit.

    Prof Marshall I believe also named another agent who the organisation recruited and sent to St. Vincent I think … its a long time so my memory might not be that good.

    They had cables in those days so the communication would have been swift.

    By the time Clement Payne arrived the authorities had his number.

    I get the impression he lied on his immigration form …. which the authorities used ultimately to deal with him … all legal and proper.

    I figure he was closely watched from the time of his arrival.

    I seem to remember Prof Marshall describing Clement Payne leading a group of Barbadians to Government House demanding to see the Governor.

    The authorities said sure …. but … you need an appointment.

    I got the impression things went south from here as this surely must have tested his patience … more like driven him mad.

    After that he fell into their hands and they dealt with him.

    My memory of the gist of that lecture was that the local authorities let Clement Payne put himself in trouble and then dealt with him.

    As I say, it is a long time ago so my memory might of the lectue might not be so good.

    I am pretty sure I saw Richard Goddard at that lecture too.

    Maybe he has a clearer recollection than I do.

    It should be possible to get a copy of the lecture from Professor Marshall or maybe even a recording as CBC would probably have been there too.


  14. David, BABFP

    Did I say something wrong?

    Not used to this deafening silence.


  15. …. even BT gone quiet!!!

    Ain’t hearing nuffin.

    Anyway, I responded as I was asked to so I kept my end up

    Probably get some flak later.


  16. @John

    Also ask professor Marshall for information on the stratgies the whites used post 1834 to ensure that blacks did not get their hands on arabale land here ,and what strategies the said blacks used to acquire land. Ask him about the location act where the ex-slaves could not live on the fringe of the planataions and work for another platation. Also ask him about the legislation enacted to prevent the said blacks from developing as businessmen to ensure that there was a constant supply of cheap labour. All those factors above contributed to the rebellion in 1937.

    Tell me why Nelson should remain where he is. Dont go quiet on these matters.

  17. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    John

    If I were you I would not take anything that Professor Marshall said as definitive. I seem to remember that it is his research that has the people of this country identifying the homes of indentured servants at Rock Hall, St. Thomas as slave huts. His research has misled the nation and is responsible for Government erecting a bogus “Freedom Village” on glebe lands and calling it Rock Hall.


  18. @John

    Whie u r at it, ask Professor Marshall what the Lord Moyne Commission said about the sufferings of the masses that resulted in the Rebellion. And what the said Commission recommended to remedy the problem of abject poverty among the masses.


  19. @Caswell

    u cant say that about the man. he is one of the leading expert on post-slave society in barbados.


  20. I know that in 1839 my ancestors, an ex- slave and her children were left two plantations, one of 310 acres, the other of 121 acres.

    From memory, I think the smaller plantation was sold in the 1840’s and the larger one in the 1870’s.

    Another ancestor, an ex slave freed in 1721 was given land, not alot but his owner was poor. I have some gaps I still need to fill but I am pretty sure about him.

    I am looking at the history of his era and just before at the moment whenever I get spare time.

    I know Vaucluse Plantation passed from Henry Peter Simmons to sons of a slave and that Dunscombe was similarly owned.

    There are numerous other plantations and properties owned by ex-slaves which suggest to me that while ownrship may not have been easy it was certainly possible.

    So I know ex-slaves owned property both before and after emancipation and in some cases major areas.

    I’ll deal with Nelson if you really want me to but let us take small steps for the moment and not go hither thither and yon.

    The history of his period is actually quite fascinating.

    I will say this.

    Did you know that Barbadian slaves before emancipation and ex-slaves after used his name in naming their children?

    ……. and that practice was followed by all and sundry, slave and free, black and white …… throughout the world ….. and for generations following.

    Even in America which had fought a war against England and faced Nelson as an enemy, the practice was followed.

    He must have been some kind of hero.

    So what exactly is the problem with Richard Goddard’s article?


  21. Caswell

    I am aware!!

    Don’t forget the Government also named our National Heroes for us too!!


  22. … so Blogger 2012, you want me to check or not!!

  23. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Blogger2012

    I can say that when the proof is still standing for all to see. He claimed that Rock Hall, St. Thomas was the first free village in Barbados having been established in or about 1840 when the ex-slaves from Mount Wilton received their legacies. That is utter rubbish when you consider that there is at least one building at what what they call Rock Hall that can be traced back to 1832 even before those ex-slaves were released. He has failed to apologise for misleading the country on that score and only the Lord knows what other misleading information he has published


  24. What oldman goddard is missing in his refections of the past are the benefits gained becAuse of the riots his intent to focus on mr.payne shows how shallow he is in his refusal the accept the message but to focus on the relationship of mr.payne and his political leanings the failings and injustices against blacks was what cause the riots and not payne his involvement was the catalysy used to correct those misdoings payne


  25. @Caswell

    I will not agrue with u on rock hall, but I know he has done a lot of research on the development of the peasntry is he wong on those as well. Wouldnt he have got his imformation from the archives in London for his research?

  26. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    AC

    You seem to miss the point and that is, Goddard and his ilk do not consider what happened to black people to be injustice. They consider us to be inferior and they were doing us a favour by civilising us for which they think that we should be eternally grateful.

  27. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Blogger2012

    I am sure you are aware of the saying: fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.

    Professor Marshall would have to show me the nail holes before I believe anything that he has written, after all I was born and raised in St. Thomas.


  28. @John

    u have not addressed any of my questions, i did not talk to u about inheritance. I spoke to the strategies used to prevent the masses from acquiring land which u must dealt with and the part the then Barbados mutual played in that exercise. what percentage of the land did the blacks owned prior to the 1937 rebellion. who owned the fertile land, and who owners the rab land etc. Yes I want u to also talk about Nelson.


  29. Caswell

    You need to do some genealogical research and you might find that you and Richard Goddard share common ancestry!!

    Franklyn/Franklin is an old St. Philip surname ….. like Goddard!!

    I never took the first free village very serious and figured it was GOB up to its tricks again.

    If slaves were being freed from the 1600’s it would stand to reason that the first free village would predate Rock Hall by more than a century.


  30. Payne should be recognised as a hero for the foundations of equality fairness and justice are the very ones which society used to day and which has been of benefit to all payne vision to see what the failures ofan unequal society would havecaused for future generations have indeed elevated him to “hero” status for it is upon his principles on which we stand and reaped the benefits not his political leaningsof being marixist


  31. ” they consider us to be inferior and they were doing us a favour by civilising usfor which they think we should be eternally grateful”
    can’t blame them for thinking so when we continually try despite rejection to gravitate towards them.


  32. You see Caswell, the problem we have here is that Emancipation was not remembered or celebrated to any great extent by Bajans. This is a fact.

    I believe it was extremely important but that by the time of Emancipation there were many freed slaves and their descendants for whom it had a different meaning.

    Every 7 years we get a quarrel over whether Kadooment should be held on Aug 1 or not and I think it will continue ad infinitum because nobody ain’t mashing up no party bout hey to go to Church and give thanks.

    All of our heroes, the whole Crop Over Festival, the First Free Village etc. etc. have been given to us by Government, informed by research by various historians.

    Why would you only question the First Free Village and one Historian’s research?

    I think the whole exercise is directed by political expediency.


  33. ac | May 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM |
    Payne should be recognised as a hero for the foundations of equality fairness and justice are the very ones which society used to day and which has been of benefit to all payne vision to see what the failures ofan unequal society would havecaused for future generations have indeed elevated him to “hero” status for it is upon his principles on which we stand and reaped the benefits not his political leaningsof being marixist
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am going to be rude and suggest that you have not got a clue and are relying on what you have been fed.

  34. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    John

    I don’t have do do any research on the Goddard/Franklyn connection: it is not important to me. If I were climbing my family tree and encountered Richard Goddard, I would promptly climb down and get my saw and deal with that branch.


  35. THINK about the process through which we got our National Heroes.


  36. @ Caswell Franklyn: That may be a problem with history i.e. too many branches of the tree may have been cut off to suit emotions & agendas and now we cannot tell how really great the tree once was, if we really wanted to know, without looking at the records for ourselves.


  37. So, what exactly is the offending part of Richard Goddard’s letter ….. apart from the fact it was written by Richard Goddard?


  38. @John and what are you relying on the basis of this topic is the wayy Goddard has use historyu to rant and rave about payne when all payne did was to stand up againts the heiarchy whose only interest was for self what else is there to know and as history has proven that many of the causes which payne stood for played a pivotal role in exectuing the basic civil rights which some of us take for grantedand which goddard semmingly choosesto ignores it his writing


  39. What I get from the article as it appears is that he is pointing out two flaws in the presentation of speakers at recent public lectures.

    1. In the recent series of public lectures on the 1937 riots, although the speakers mentioned that Payne was a Marxist, no one explained what Marxism had done between 1930 and 1940 in Russia, (USSR), under Josef Stalin, killing 20 million of its own people.

    2. None of the speakers at the public lectures gave enough background to the world economic situation in 1937.

    Based on these perceived flaws he issued a warning to the authorities.

    I have written this letter to warn the powers that be, to be careful who they name as heroes, and members of the general public who are elected to public office, and who have their fingers in the public till, as like the poem The Inch Cape Bell in which the tongue of the bell that marked a reef was cut out, and the bell silenced, there would no longer be any warning of approaching danger.

    Here is a link to the poem to which he refers.

    http://www.poetsgraves.co.uk/Classic%20Poems/Southey/the_inchcape_rock.htm


  40. Even a baby can read and understand it.


  41. Man Caswell i like your response to John about that “racist” Richard Goddard. Love it! At 76 he is still as condescending as he was back in his heyday scaring people with his tale of being in the RCMP.

    …But Caswell it were true you think you could get a management job down at Goddards Enterprise? LOL!


  42. No one cares about some useless poem. Have Richard detail for us what informs his CONTENTION that Payne’s selection of the words “do not violate” were intended to mean the exact opposite.

    Also ask him for is his OPINION on Bobby Morris view that Grantley Adams was the real mastermind behind the riot/rebellion/uprising or whatever political correctness some think is the real problem.


  43. @John

    while u r at it, what about the millions of africans killed and what about the arawaks and caribs and the inhaibants of central and south and latin america, australia and newzealand those lives were wothless aint it?


  44. @John

    at the time of emancipation in 1838, note i said 1838 and not 1834. They could not have been many freed slaves. There migh have been a few who were able to buy their freedom, u might be getting confused with the mulatoes and lumping them of former slaves. A lot of the mulatoes were given prefential treatment because their fathers were white, by the way were there any mulatoes as a result of the slaves who had humongous dicks loading their white mistresses?

  45. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Adrian Hinds (2: 48)

    I would not apply, but I would like the workers to join my union.

  46. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Blogger2012

    That was a capital offence: the slave would have been hanged. They could not stand the competition and would eliminate it as they do now in business. When a black person starts a new enterprise, they do everything to make it fail, mind you with the assistance of the black uncle Tom bank managers.


  47. Well, I guess Richard Goddard struck a nerve!!

    Good for him.

    At 76 I hope I can provoke as much discussion as he has!!

    What’s been informative to me about today’s blog is just how well the brainwashing of the day worked and how completely incapable the brainwashees are of change.

    I simply love the Cattlewash Club ……. when peoples stop chasing ghosts of the past and find out what has happened in the present down there …. man, wait till you hear the rhetoric.

    I counting off the years before certain peoples twig … one of the drawbacks of being brainwashed … can’t deal with the present!!

    I am at five plus and counting …. and …. I don’t know what I know because I been a regular attendee at the Club meetings … it’s because I keeps myself as informed as I can be!!


  48. Adrian Hinds | May 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM |
    No one cares about some useless poem. Have Richard detail for us what informs his CONTENTION that Payne’s selection of the words “do not violate” were intended to mean the exact opposite.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … and you claim to be logical and ask such a question!!

    There was a riot … ain’t it!!

    Bajans got killed.


  49. Caswell Franklyn | May 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM |
    Blogger2012

    That was a capital offence: the slave would have been hanged. They could not stand the competition and would eliminate it as they do now in business. When a black person starts a new enterprise, they do everything to make it fail, mind you with the assistance of the black uncle Tom bank managers.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … and Blogger 2012, that’s the reason why Everson R. Elcock & Co. is 50 years and counting.

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