International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia 2012 Message

Cedriann Martin, Regional Communications Officer, UNAIDS

This Thursday (17 May, 2012) is the International Day against Homophobia and Transphobia. This year’s commemoration comes at exciting time for the world and our region in terms of advocacy and political leadership to address the human rights of sexual minorities.

We hope that on Thursday you will share with your audiences the attached message from UNAIDS Caribbean Regional Support Team Director, Dr. Ernest Massiah. It speaks directly to Caribbean people about our context and strides on this issue. Also attached is a message from UNAIDS Executive Director, Michel Sidibé which may be used to enhance your IDAHO coverage.

Feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns.

Related Links: Press Statements One, Two

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  1. This threads, Headline, is a devious inversion of the truth, to subtly promote the Homosexual agenda; that most are not aware of!

    NEW Homosexual convention targets grade-school kids
    New AFA Video Tells the Truth About Homosexuality

    SENATORS PASS ANTI-CHRISTIAN HATE CRIME BILL (lists of Republicans that voted in favor of included) This bill provides funding for curriculum which teaches children that Christians are perpetrators of hate.

    “The homosexual movement has made it no secret that they are targeting children to bring up a generation that will accept the homosexual lifestyle as normal and moral.”

    “Urvashi Vaid, former executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, said “Children should be a special target for homosexual rights actvists in the attempt to change society. (from World 4/99, targeting Children, by Ed Vitagliano)

    “Lesbian author Patricia Nell Warren wrote, “Whoever captures the kids owns the futrue”

    “Ed Vitagliano, News editor for AFA in his article How Homosexual Activists Intend to Capture the Next Generation said, “The most sought-after trophies of the homosexual movement are not found in corporate boardrooms, state legislatures, or even Hollywood. The ultimate prizes are the hearts and minds of children. In school and in public libraries, on the television and at the movies, from San Francisco to Washington, D.C., children in this country are being exposed to a constant, concerted propaganda effort that aims to instill a homosexual worldview.”

    “In a recent poll by Seventeen magazine, 54% of teens now think homosexuality is acceptable, as opposed to just 17% less than a decade ago! Seventeen also reports that teens are now more likely to experiment with homosexuality.”

    “There are many items on their agenda such as; films promoting and condoning this lifestyle on tv (Gay friendly tv shows.) and the big screen, and the public school system, from early grade classrooms including kindergarten through high school. In 1995 GLADD requested that our government put into place guidelines for TV programs to educate children on ‘homophobia’ and sexual discrimination. In 1997 the show Ellen was a mark for Hollywood in that direction.”

    “In the front of the public school program is the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education network (GLSEN), a group known for persuading the formation of gay-student clubs (of which there are over 700 nation wide as of Aug 2000) known as Gay/Straight Alliances (GSAs). Who is a big fund-raiser for GLSEN? Tax payers are giving a substantial amount to them, thanks to David LaFontaine, who is an avid homosexual activist and chair of the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian youth. He has helped allocate more than $1.5 million per year.”


    “GLSEN is also promoting It’s Elementary, a documentary (produced by Women’s Educational Media WEM) for elementary-age school kids that portray homosexuality as normal.”

    “That’s a Family! , a film suggesting there are many different kinds of families, the minority of which involve a married mom and dad.”

    “Mailed ‘Just the Facts’, a pamphlet promoting the homosexual lifestyle to every school district in the country.”

    “GLSEN is actually paying public schools to take their resources by making $15,000 in grants available for schools to purchase gay literature for their libraries.”

    “GLSEN is currently using the state of Massachusetts (the most “gay friendly” state) public school system, where there are over 180 GSAs, as the role model state to spread their agenda.”

    “Read about a Massachuetts school going out of their way to promote the gay agenda.”

    “Also read; Middle School Principal: Homosexuality in Curriculum Will Not Come Back (8/28/00)”

    GLSEN’s web page
    “Homosexual activist’s training manual”


    “whose public school systems are being aggressively targeted by gay activists are California (125 GSAs) , Connecticut, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Utah and Wisconsin .”

    Orange County, California and Salt Lake City ended policies banning gay-straight alliances from meeting at local schools on 9/5/00 ( 9/6/00)

    “Gay-Straight Alliances are booming in Northern California schools, formed by students who have learned they can’t depend on adults to save them and their friends from rampant homophobia in classrooms and hallways.”


    Ask the Transexuals.
    Lesbian Avengers – How to Promote Queer-Friendly Activism in Your Schools and your Lives.
    From Lesbos to Stonewall; Incorporating Sexuality into a World History Curriculum.

    (Source; Citizen magazine, July 2000)
    Three main reasons homosexual activists claim to need affirming programs in school is;
    1. The high gay teen suicide rate
    2. Safety for gays being harassed and
    3. Teach respect for all.

    Reasons why gay affirming programs should not be in public schools.

    The extremely inflated numbers of gay teen suicide bandied about by homosexual advocates are based on only one report published by San Francisco homosexual activist Paul Gibson. His paper, ‘Gay Male and Lesbian Youth Suicide, was initially included but later dropped from a 1989 government report on youth suicide. Peter LaBarbera, a former reporter for the Washington Times, now the editor of The Lambda Report, a magazine focusing on the activities of the homosexual rights movement, analyzed Gibson’s report and found many serious flaws. Gibson claims that gay youths commit suicide because of internalized homophobia. However, LaBarbera points out, most studies of homosexual suicide attempts find other influencing factors present in their backgrounds that are common to all cases of suicide.

    Gibson’s finding have been criticized by leading authorities on teen suicide.

    School policies can protect anybody from harassment without giving special attention to homosexual students.

    School programs that want children to view homosexuality without a moral judgment are trying to do more than teach respect. There is a difference between teaching respect and imposing a controversial moral dogma on children. School officials need to understand the difference.

    Programs that would lead to an adolescents premature closure regarding his or her homosexual orientation could be damaging.

    There are life-threatening health risks associated with early onset of homosexual behavior.

    There is a pervasive and emotionally charged controversy over the homosexual lifestyle.

    There are significant psychological risks of premature sexual involvement.

    Moral and practical opposition to gay behavior is not “hate,” and resistance to homosexual activism in schools is not “homophobia.”

  2. Hate and bigotry the number i killer in the world with its long reaching effects affecting million of families and households on a daily basis spreading from generation to generation unleashing fear and condemnation upon those it dislikes or disagree usually bt race color creed or sexual orientation .the victims of the bigoted and hateful attacks are usually left psychologically scared for life showing symptoms of resentment or even hatred towards their attackers resulting in a vicious cycle of hate and bigotry which breeds and contaminates society .in order to break this cycle and avoid passing it on to from generation to generation we must show love! compassion!and understanding towards our fellow man. What if this was you?

  3. The UNAIDS work in this area is a key component to the fight against HIV/AIDS in the Caribbean. Caribbean governments and societies tend to ignore certain sub populations within, which in turn leads to these sub populations being ostracized from the general public health system. The result is increased high risk sexual behavior, with fewer interactions with the health care system around prevention and treatment.

    Intolerance does not support the public’s health, and until we can put religious and political doctrines aside, and address the basic health care needs of all individuals, we will continue to rank number two in the WORLD, with our ridiculously high HIV/AIDS prevalence rates. That’s number two behind Sub-Saharan Africa…

    • The fact is if we read the communications attached the UN is fully onboard the movement (Gay). 79 countries are mentioned having laws which criminalize homosexuality. Barbados is one of those countries? O dear!

  4. How about phobia and racial comments against other nationalities and races….

    Egyptian Jew indeed. And no, the issue should NOT be allowed to die like some suggest.

    It is too serious an infraction.

  5. Look, accept facts, Barbados got nuff bullers. But we dont like to admit it.

    Just like we got racists.

    We like to keep things behind closed doors and skin teet to foreigners and whisper to each other ‘foreigner’ or ‘buller’.
    But the bullers here are rampant. Nuff people here like botsie.

    True, true.

  6. @Chris Halsall. Man you have a strange idea of “entertaining”. I see that immediately following your comment, the bat cave sprung a leak. The swarm will descend and then all we will need to cap off our entertainment will be the thoughts of the self-confessed size and educationally challenged RR. Nuff fun.

  7. The bullers seeing victory and them defending dem rights for botsie like um is food or sustenance.

    I am 50 years old, my son is 24, my daughter is 22. We have decided as adults we will engage in a consenting threesome. My daughter says she is female and thinks we should get a baby because of freedom of choice- a Constitutional right- we plan to show our ultra modern lifestyle to the world and we want to work at a government nursery and school so we dare you to discrminate because we WILL SUE the government.


  8. Look the bottom line is people do not have any right to tell others who they can marry or be in a relationship with and then to back up their bigotry and hatred use the Bible as a way to enforce their feelings.

    The Bible was written by man how many dongs ago. I have never in all my life heard that God himself wrote the Bible therefore we are controlled by whomever wrote the Bible.

    It is funny how the Bible states that you should not take counsel from mediums etc however the Bible is full of prophets…..I personally feel many parts of the Bible are misconstrued

    I have been following this story regarding Barbados’ stance on gay rights as I am actually quite interested to know whether Barbados actually have the guts and bare face to go up against the UK and USA. This to me is remarkable that I believe it was the General Attorney bodly stated “Barbados will not be dictated to by the UK or any other (meaning the USA) hahaaaa but yet a couple weeks ago could be asking the UK to lower some airline tax kmt.

    This is so amusing Barbados get some bricks in the air, some fashionable clothes coming in the island and decent vehicles now affordable for the average working class persons and feel that they have made it onto the world good chain.

    Wunna better get a grip and smell the coffee coz what I foresee is if Barbados continue with this bullcrap wunna dealing with ya gine get squashed and that’s telling it straight.

    Who cares who sleep with who or who marries who not your concern mind your business and get on with your life.

    Gays are everywhere and especially rampant in Barbados. Not just the men but the women too kmt walking all bout the place in Barbados and boldly too.

  9. Ms.G
    The original essay was about how Barbadians felt about Obama’ s take recognizing gay marriages. and some on this blog did just that .Did not call for your condescending remarks of how insignificant we are in others gran duos world of sin. Yes we are small … with astute reasoning and goodly morals and which we would prefer not to lower to ‘yours’ bench marks to occasion ‘yours’ friendly invasions and needed dollar bills.So what is wrong if the majority care not to have another South Beach Miami instead of Bathsheba or Porters? Guess we have gone bananas by yours again standards right ?……Guess what ? we like it that way….and I would also venture a bet do you. No locking of horns any, never intended to, but sometimes ‘yours’ exogenous advice gives me a good ole fashion belly urt.’ We duz take to the Kous Kous grass for that.

  10. By the way are you of any relations to our blogger IslanGal ? An uncanny resemblance…..

  11. @ old onion bags I am fully aware what the topic is about I am not illiterate. Funny how my condescending comments could give you belly hurt but yet you feel that the comments made by some about Gays does not hurt others. I do not care if it hurts your belly.

    With regard to Obama regardless of his personal views on the subject one still has to uphold Human Right laws. Barbados on the other hand want to ignore them as if they mean nothing because of their ignorant archaic mentality do don’t lecture me old onions.

    Obviously the truth seems to hurt.

    I am born to very proud upstanding Barbadian parents that taught me to respect people regardless of their colour, sexual orientation or gender. It seems to me that the majority who condemn Gay people are prejudice, it has nothing to do with being proud or having morals or the Bible.

    Like I said in an earlier post God will also judge you because I was taught God loves all his children he does not segregate his children do don’t come to me with your biases.

    If you got belly hurt I suggest you go drink some ginger tea and while you are at it purge yourself with some Hyssop!

  12. May I direct you to temper your thought for but one moment and read (or re-read) the chapter of Leviticus in the Holy Bible KJV for corrections or refresher to all your understandings. PEACE

  13. Yet again I will state to you Old Onions we are living our life based in what has been written in the Bible. Now I ask you the question, who was Moses? Moses proclaimed that God spoke to him so was Moses a medium, a psychic? I believe if I were to tell people that God spoke to me and told me “speak unto the children of England” I would either be deemed a witch or mentally I’ll but yet we as Christians are made to honour and respect the word of Moses someone we never met and more to the point do not have clear evidence even existed furthermore why just Israel?

    Look I think you need to read the Bible properly and instead of just reading it as you would a book really decipher it break it down because there is more to the Bible than meets the eye Old Onions.

    Before you jump on the Atheist wagon, I am a spirtualist so what I deal with is a deeper level than just reading a man written book although I love my Psalms and the Lord’s Prayer.

  14. homophobia a persons inability to respect a person Human Rights by focusing on their sexual activity.
    In the 21st century it is astounding that with all the knowledge man has acquired some people in our society are stilling fighting for acceptance is one to believe that our self hatred of each other is part of nature or is it is nurtured .is one to accept that because of a persons sexual preference that their should be scorned or ostracized as a form of punishment haven;t we learned anything from our past ancestors who were put down and ostracized and disallowed their Human Rights, are Barbadians prepared to be written up in history as a nations of people who stood in the way of others seeking their “Human Rights” lets be aware and be prepared because history was not kind to those who took that path of standing in the way of others in the past and history would not be kind to barbados

  15. ………Onions stands firm on this one….why I want no association…why seek to compromise my stance ?…I am alright ..I believe so are you ..what you do is your undertaking….never said din like a homosexual….maybe I dislike what they are doing …but I am not to judge. Opened with such…will likewise close with that ac IslGal and friends….I shall not be moved.

  16. @onions
    “never said din like homosexual” maybe i dislike what they doing”. spoken like a true Homophobic. what is it any business of yours or anyone to been :Eye spies” or peeping Toms in the activities of a ones personnal sex lives, have it ever dawned on you that there are persons heteroxsexual and homosexual who are not actively sexual engaged and sex is not the only part of a human life and for some may not be the most important which you yourself stated on another forum. get over it what people are asking for is acceptance to have a fair and tolerable life, not about having SEX .

  17. @ Old Onions, you along with the rest of homophobics are no different to the white man when it comes to the black man, you are afraid of what you do not understand and instead of trying to understand it you look to condemn it.

  18. May I suggest some reading material…..the book is called:

    F*#k it by JOHN C PARKIN

    Whilst at the bookstore this morning I stumbled across it in the Religion and Spirituality section of Waterstones but I am sure you can order it online at Amazon.

    I would suggest Onions that you obtain a copy and have a good read of it. I would be interested to hear your views after reading his book as your eyes seem to be closed and need opening and yes it is actually called F*#k it!

    Sorry to continually just address yourself but I am sure all those also reading this blog that share your same discriminating views are also reading this too so it goes for them also.

  19. Nobody troubles you all….its just your conscious ..that keep eating away at you …since 5.25 am …I told you all is well and bid you farewell….why keep hounding me with your problem..? Just hush and move on……I am SO just not interested.

  20. Oh dear I seem to have ruffled your feathers Onion. Please accept my apologies, I do have the tendency to come over quite strong and not many people can handle that aspect about me.

    I would have to disagree with your last comment about not being interested because I do feel you are interested as you are obviously reading my comments. Anyway not to ruffle your feathers further, I will leave it here and wish you a good day and if you get time perhaps you could order the reading material I suggested as I really do believe you will find it an eye opener 🙂

  21. “As I sometimes do with key backgrounder posts here at KF, I have updated the post on US Pres. Obama’s endorsement of the homosexualisation of marriage. (U/D, May 12: Republican candidate, Mitt Romney (a Mormon from Massachusetts) has endorsed homosexual adoptions and by implication Civil Unions, which are plainly homosexualised marriages in all but name or just one step short. [Cf. a case in Colorado, here.])”

    “The first key update — hostile onlookers, kindly note — is on why I (and many others) hold that the effect of this attempt (if successful) would be the destruction of marriage, not merely opening it up to what many have been naively led to believe are hitherto unjustly excluded classes. Notice, in this respect the utterly telling, toxically loaded but subtle newly invented term now being pushed: “marriage equality.”

    “As a measure of the effectiveness across time of such homosexualist “equality” and “fairness” rhetoric in the USA, let us observe the following chart from Christianity Today:”

    “(On the wider issues and claims used to promote homosexuality, cf here.)”

    “So, let us revisit, in light of the update:”

    ___________>>” . . . our history will move in one of two ways beyond this point, for good or ill: either we become reconciled now, or soon from now the polarisation being injected into the body politic by the radicals pushing a destructively divisive agenda will create more and more alienation and irreconcilable differences.”

    “*And, what is at stake today is the destruction or survival of marriage, the foundational institution of stable families and communities alike. {U/D, May 12:} As Girgit, George and Anderson observe in the just linked Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy paper: ”

    ” [T]he current debate is precisely over whether it is possible for the kind of union that has marriage’s essential fea‐tures to exist between two people of the same sex. Revisionists do not propose leaving intact the historic definition of marriage and simply expanding the pool of people eligible to marry. Their goal is to abolish the conjugal conception of marriage in our law 10 and replace it with the revisionist [–> i.e. homosexualised] conception . . .”

    “F/N 10: Throughout history, no society’s laws have explicitly forbidden gay mar‐riage. They have not explicitly forbidden it because, until recently, it has not been thought possible . . . [T]raditional marriage laws were not devised to oppress those with same‐sex attractions. The comparison [to racist anti-miscegenation laws that forbade inter-racial marriages] is offensive, and puzzling to many—not least to the nearly two‐thirds of black vot‐ers who voted to uphold conjugal marriage under California Proposition Eight. See Cara Mia DiMassa & Jessica Garrison, Why Gays, Blacks are Divided on Prop. 8, L.A. TIMES, Nov. 8, 2008, at A1.
    [Sherif Girgis, Robert P. George, & Ryan T. Anderson, “What is Marriage?” Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, Vol 34, No. 1, p. 250 of 245 – 287.]”

    “Already, the force of the homosexualist civilisational divide is at work, driving people on opposite sides of the issue farther and farther apart, and creating the perception that those who stand up in defence of marriage as it has historically been established are little better than hateful, racist bigots.”

    “Which, is obscenely slanderous, but is increasingly routine.”

    “Indeed, this smear- and- demonise strategy is not calculated to foster dialogue and build a new consensus, but to shut it down, and to intimidate objectors to the homosexualisation of marriage — thus the destruction of its essential character. Then, eventually it is intended to crack down on those who insist on objecting, under the colours — but not the true substance — of law. Which, in some jurisdictions, has already begun.”

    “The polarising divide has begun.”

    “So, I am of the view that time is short, and we need to step back from the brink of a division being injected into our civilisation on the core nature of family that once it goes far enough cannot be healed and will do great harm. Harm, that zealous advocates of “fairness” and “rights” and even “progress” as they imagine them may not even fully understand.”

    “For instance, a claim to a right is in the end a moral claim that calls for respecting something inherent to our being made in God’s image.”

    “So, rights are not to be equated with political entitlements, and one cannot properly demand a “right” in defiance of the creation order established by God; here, that we are made in two complementary sexes, so that committed marriage is the foundation of family, stable child rearing and a stable community. There is and can be no right to destroy the foundation of a viable society by arbitrarily abusing political power or media and/or academic influence to mislead the public, and backing it up with the organs of state power. That is, there is no such thing as a right to do evil based on falsehoods and then demand approval of evil by force of law . . .”

    ” [–> and if you imagine that the idea of taking God and the moral order of creation seriously is “obviously” irrational and likely a sign of a right wing, tyrannical, theocratic agenda, your mind has been deeply poisoned by toxic talking points promoted in the end by willful manipulators who know that the easiest way to alienate you from unwelcome truths is to get you angry against those who bring it to you. As a first emergency antidote, I suggest that you pause, and work your way through the discussion here on, in context (and then go to here on, too). If you have been led to think that evolutionary materialism is the only credible “scientific” view, cf. here on in context. And if you think that such materialism is a coherent view of reality, please see here on as well on how it inescapably contradicts itself and so must be false. And, denizens of NCSE Anti Evo, ATBC, et al, I have every inch as much right to hold, express and share my views as you have to yours. Not to mention, better warrant.]>>”

    “In short, what is happening here is the sort of destructive moral inversion warned against in Is 5:20 – 21, backed up by a radical agenda bent on usurping the power of law to suppress those who refuse to go along with the agenda.”

    “That sort of power play never ends in a good place.”

    “Let us remind ourselves of what such a moral inversion is like:”

    ISA 5:18 “Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit,
    and wickedness as with cart ropes . . . .”

    ISA 5:20 “Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.”

    ISA 5:21 “Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
    and clever in their own sight.” [NIV, ’84.]

    “If we stubbornly insist on folly, we can hardly say we have not been warned.”

    “But — and, Anti-Evo denizens and others of like ilk looking on, this speaks to you — why is it that some feel free to make this sort of inversion, where they know or full well should know that this is going to unjustly criminalise millions of Bible-believing Christians?”

  22. Is it time for a new Bible…or that we burn the old and did without a ‘BOOK’? Are we sufficiently grown up now?

  23. Sometimes in our haste to chastise others we should take full inventory of our own lives and meaure it against the ones we are quick to condemn for surely the same godly yardstick which we used to meaure each other can also be used to measure those who are fornicators,adulters and all forms of immoral acts known to mankind

  24. Oh ac grow up
    Who chastise who ?…..the essay asked for one’s views on Obama’s take…we did. I didn’t know up til now if you are a homosexual or nay…I don’t know a Ms.G…so how could we chastise you or anybody ? we expressed our opinions on how we felt about legalizing gay unions in Barbados… all a sudden all yours’ offended and feel poked. Grow up n stop groping like a wishful ole badger do..Go comment on SMS..tell us when elections

  25. T Girl

    Do you choke on your disgust?
    Do you think I’m afraid of your eyes?
    Do you think I’m a freak?
    Do you think I need Jesus?

    Do you live on stereotypes?
    Do you know what you’re worth?
    Do you want to be free?
    Do you ostracize your sexuality?

    Do you live in the truth?
    Do you grope in the darkness?
    Do you dream to become?
    Do you want to be me?

    Do you?

    From: ‘The Twisted Web: Perspectives on Poverty in Poetry’.

    To which I would add….

    ‘Is it time to wake up?’

  26. Any piece of literature that endoses or or advocates the very rights of mankind should discarded As it influences spread far and wide and destroys the soul of man slowly like a ticking time bomb.

  27. @onions if any body needs to grow up it is youi who is using ancient and medevial laws to control people even jesus in his wisdom saw tneed fior con cern for such laws when he told the writers of such laws to “cast the mote out of their own eye and the same. rings true today so before you start your vrbal dialogue of condemnation check yor closet cause would find plenty skeletons some where in there.

  28. Ole slimy onions …what yuh calling muh name fuh? You ole Goat yuh head hard as rock stone that yuh cahn even understand where Ms G coming from. Stop hiding behind and picking the Bible to support your stance. You are such a hypocrite all the learning yuh say yuh got from the PIG PEN State yuh graduated from ent helping yuh at all at all. Wunna Christians have mastered the art of hyocrisy and have learnt it well from that Bible. Be a MAN and THINK for YOURSELF for once nuh.

  29. @David, Sorry for the interjection on this thread; but here is an update of the medical report on Zimmerman, re his claim to injury when Martin jumped him; maybe, now, the BU biased ‘racists’ if they are honest enough, will deal with the evidence, in support of Zimmerman’s account of what hapened that night!

    “George Zimmerman had two black eyes after altercation, medical report details Defence lawyer likely to use report to back up claims that Trayvon Martin initiated confrontation that led to his death.

    Email Richard Luscombe in Miami, Wednesday 16 May 2012 16.52 BST

    “George Zimmerman, 28, was not arrested at the time but was later charged with second-degree murder. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images
    George Zimmerman suffered a fractured nose, two black eyes, cuts to the back of his head and a back injury on the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, according to a doctor who examined him the day after the fatal confrontation.”

    “A medical report newly released by prosecutors in Florida gives the clearest picture yet of the injuries the neighbourhood watch leader claims he sustained during the altercation with the unarmed teenager on 26 February.”

  30. @David, Come now man; with the then known situation in the gated community, CONFIRMED by Blacks, that other Blacks had ALREADY caused much fear and concern, within the community, with attempted robbery, etc; THEN, Zimmerman was appointed as community watch, doing what he was expected to do; reports the ‘individual’ Martin to the 911 operator, whose suggestion, which was NOT followed, as Zimmerman knew from previous experience, that Police invariably arrive AFTER the crime was committed; so he cautiously proceeds, from all evidence, Zimmerman did NOT physically attack Martin, on the contrary, Martin ATTACKED him, which forensic evidence given by the Prosecutor NOW reveals, from the Doctor’s medical report; confirming that Martin ATTACKED Zimmerman, who feared for his life, and in natural defense, shoots and kills Martiin, and you David, and those of your convoluted, ‘biased’ racial attitude, resort to this misserable ‘redherring’ nonsense, of “We are back to profiling”

    If Martin had NOT attacked Zimmerman, inflicted a factured nose, two black-eyes, pounded his head on the ground, cuts on the back of his head, he, Martin would still be AILVE! Period!

    The biased, illogical, racial reasoning from blacks, is still one of the many reasons, that blacks are so self-inflicted with inverted racism!

  31. no matter what george zimmerman received .he killed Trayvon not in self defense but out of fear of his color and race. george deadly mistake was to follow trayvon and not listen to valuable advice, and trayvon voice will be heard with supporting evidence that trayvon was attempying to defnd himself from george who was branishing a gun. there is a lot more to this case and you will be surprised when the victim story is told using self defense to bolster trayvon argument against george .

  32. In Zoe’s world there are no white racists but blacks are the Devil’s spawn. “Cautiously proceeds”, how do you know that? Didn’t Trayvon phone his girl friend and tell her he was being followed by a strange man? Any evidence coming from Trayvon is suspect, after all “he didn’t belong there’ as another of Zimmerman’s apologists wrote on these pages.

    OF course Zimmerman was just standing there minding his business and whistling “Dixie” (how appropriate) when Trayvon “jumped him” out of the blue. Zimmerman didn’t do anything to precipitate the attack, this is the same George Zimmerman who was charged with assaulting a policeman but George would never start a confrontation with a black man.

  33. George Zimmerman PR is going to be in full swing! After all his lawyers still going to have to prove ” intent” which so far has shown george to “have provoke trayvon”

  34. Zimmerman said that when he initially approached Martin, that Martin asked him, “Do you have a problem?” GZ said no! Martin then said, “Well, NOW you do!”

    Where was Zimmerman’s Gun, when Martin agressively, initiated the PHYSICAL attack, fractured his nose, two black eyes; where WAS Zimmerman’s Gun? Then Martin pounded his head on the ground!

    Martin appeared to be reaching for something in his pants, WHILE on TOP of Zimmerman, who NOW has a fractured nose, TWO black eyes, and bleeding from the back of his head; what was Zimmerman supposed to do? Just relax with a FRACTUED nose, inflicted by Martin, two black eyes, inflicted by Martin, and his head bleeding, while topped-OUT by Martin on the ground?

    As an aside, I’ve had Black brothers here in B’dos, ask me, “Why is it that only Blacks shoot and kill other Blacks? Why? How come the Indians, Arabs, Jews, and White, don’t do this to each other?

    Are the Blacks here only ‘Profiling’ each other?

    Why is it, that Black brothers, over the years have told me, that, they prefer any day, to work for a White man, rather than another Black man! Why?

    BILLIONS of $$$ earned by Blacks here in Bimshire, sit in Banks and Credit Unions, Yet, they will NOT come together and Buy or Create Business enterprises, rather, they love to sport the most expensive Cloths, Cars, SUV’s dine at expensive eat-outs, while OTHERS from T’dad, and else where, come in and Buy up, what the COLLECTIVE Black community could EASILY have done!

    Something is terribly wrong! Stop blaming others, for all of the nonsense that Blacks have self-inflicted on themselves, as there are a minority of Blacks, who have PROVEN, without doubt, that one CAN get off his Ass, GO, and use your money, for productive purposes, and NOT let BILLIONS of $$$ SIT in financial institutions, while other ETHNIC groups grab opportunities, that Blacks do not have the collective WILL, to Own, run and prosper, IF they truly wanted to!

  35. OH! come on Zoe is that the best you can do to defend Zimmeman with your racist and provactive rantings about blacks. haven,t you seen that kind of mentality is what got Zimmerman in the triouble he is facing for a man of God that you professes to be you left much to be desired

  36. I DO NOT defend ‘colour’ I defend principle, TRUTH, facts and evidence, that support TRUTH; if its for the Black man, then I DEFEND that, if its for the Hispanic, White, or any other ‘Colour’ then I defend THAT!

    I will NOT be prejudiced like the BU et al ‘racially’ tainted and biased posters here, who obviously CANNOT think, critically, logically, coherently, if their life depended on it!

    So it be!

  37. To Zoe:
    Your are a man I like but in this instance your comments and opinions clearly indicate a lack of “right thinking”. Most of your so call opinions of blacks are obviously informed by no less than those from the Klu Klux Klan and those of similar ilk. Today you sound so close to the rantings of the religious right of America that is impossible to find the Zoe I appreciate. Black people have a RIGHT to wine and complain; they have been “unfaired” since Adam was a lad. Why should black people take their hard earn money and invest it in an environment where they have no say. I went to a Sagicor annual meeting one day armed with lots of shares. I had no voice as Bethel and his croonies deliberated to suit themselves. Black people are thrown in the mud bare feet and then told to life themselves up by their boot strap. Zimmerman kill that boy and he shall pay the penalty for doing so.

  38. @ Lemuel
    You were missed! Welcome back, …and thanks for saving the Bushman from having to put Zoe in his proper place on this bright God given day….

  39. @Lemeul, I dispise the Klu Klus Klan, demonised white Racists they are; as well as the Blank Panther, Black Racists; the ‘colour’ of their respective ‘skin’ is just incidential, they are BOTH motivated BY, and energized by Satan, their common Father of ALL LIES!

    Your self-referrential, incoherent ‘cop-out’ re Blacks, is so typical, no substantive essence, excuses, ‘Excuse, Deny, Justify’ patently ‘Leftists’ Pan-Africanists, diatribe!

    BTW, who are the majority Policy/Share holders in the Sagicor? Are they Black or White?

  40. “I listen to Bob Marley so I am not racist, I went to school with black people so I am not racist, I eat soul food so I am not racist”. How many times we hear people like Zoe utter similar phrases like these? Zoe you are such a narrow minded bigoted individual that it pains me to read your foul diatribe.

    In my late teens I was once in business with a white woman who told me that her father would roll over in his grave if he knew that she went into business with me. I asked her if I should feel honored about that. I also told her that her husband at the time was not white and that he had some black in him, she told that her father would be shocked as well. She then tried to convince me that I was not black because my lips were not big and thick. This perception many white people have of black people even though they have lived with us for over 300 years in the Caribbean is still alive and well. Well the business did not last because I knew without me she had no business.

    It is very clear that the white plantocracy and the white elites have made it very clear how black people should look and how they should dress as well as who they should worship. This is still plaguing the black man to this day. He has no idea of where he is going because his soul has been sold to a white Jewish God called Jesus. He cannot understand nor can he get the courage to discard these chains that have pinned him down for centuries. That is why people like Zoe can come in here and spew his venom from the Bible.

  41. @All…

    So, I had an interesting experience with the Barbados Water Authority today…

    They showed up (unannounced), and started to dig up the road with a jack hammer powered by an air compressor with a leak.

    When I started to take pictures, the foreman came over and very forcibly said to me “don’t take any more pictures, or I will call my boss”. To which I answered “I’m going to continue to take pictures. Please call your boss.

    Interestingly, even though I continued to take pictures, and kept asking the foreman to call the boss, he never did. Nor did he give me his name (even though I asked for it repeatedly), nor did he give his boss’s name (even though I asked for it repeatedly).

    Just wondering… At what point are we afraid to answer questions?

  42. David the black woman has this thing that she is not beautiful in her own skin. This is years of brainwashing by our society, our educational system, our religious leaders, and by our parents. I remembered around the age of 13 or 14 opening my shoulder length hair and was told by my mother to plait it up because my hair was not straight to leave open. I thought that I looked beautiful but to my mother it was not. My mother would cuss when she was combing my little sister’s hair that she took her father’s hard hair. I used to get mad because it was not my sister’s fault. At school in the late sixties girls with short hair were ridiculed and laughed at. We were brainwashed by the first books we read, we saw pictures of white blonde long haired maidens, cinderella, rapunzel, snow white, remember the first book we read at school had pictures of white children. The churches are filled with statues and stained glass windows of white angels and a white Jesus. How will a black person ever move forward with these chains around their necks? This will take perhaps another century to erase and the Negro has to be very careful in crafting the path he wants to follow. Would Christianity have been so popular if Jesus was a Negro?

    We have been made to feel ashamed of who we are and all that false hair/relaxing is a manifestation of that.

  43. @islandgal246: “Would Christianity have been so popular if Jesus was a Negro?

    It has been well established from genetic analysis that all humans are derived from those in Africa. Thus, Jesus was Black.

    @islandgal246: “We have been made to feel ashamed of who we are…

    No one can make you do anything.

    All you have to do is say “No” one more time than they say “Yes”.

  44. @BU.David: “Isn’t the capacity to say no an outcome of how we have been enculturated?

    Depends on the person.

    Everyone has the ability to say “No, I won’t do that” or “No, I won’t agree with that” or “No, I don’t believe you are correct”.

    But I agree with you somewhat… Too many are trained to simply say “Yes”; or even “Yes, Please”.

  45. It is easy for a white person to say
    “No one can make you do anything.
    All you have to do is say “No” one more time than they say “Yes”.
    Because they haven’t lived with the terms, picky head, black like coal, hard hair, poxy skin, too black and ugly, haven’t worked as a maid, gardener or labourer under the master and mistress where everything was yes missus, yes master, eyes looking down when speaking, white children telling children that they are black and poor so they can’t play with them, or playing with them as children and having these same children pass you on the street and never speaking or acknowledging your presence. Going to work in a firm where your natural hairstyle was prohibited, where bright colours were banned and speaking to the boss with a bent head and eyes to the floor is accepted. Being told that your child can’t be accepted at ballet class (because she is too dark skinned), being told that the school is full (because they do not want too many black students). Toy shops only selling white dolls to black children. This is very damaging to the black psyche it is telling them that they are not good enough.

  46. @ DAvid

    just for the record Your attempt at labelling hair as “mock” is out of sync with the reality of the hair industry and the marketing of the product by no way would the very expensive varieties of hairs which are known as weaves ! extensions! or wigs would be classified as “mock” these very varieties of hair as i noted comes a very high price label and yes woman used them for different reason. i personally have gotten to like them because their are manageable and less expensive than having to go to the beautician regularly and also a person can required a look or a preferable style hassle free. so yes i like them i wear them and yes i also was blessed with a bountiful supply of hair which is expensive to manage.

  47. @CH

    Quote : is this such a time?

    Answer: the time has past and those who you were trying to aggravate did the right thing in esssence took silence and turned it into gold , the other side of the coin is that you could have met a george zimmerman. next time you take out your camera you might come face to face with george zimmerman and that would not be a pretti picture

  48. @islandgal246: “It is easy for a white person to say…

    I don’t necessarily disagree.

    @islandgal246: “This is very damaging to the black psyche it is telling them that they are not good enough.

    There is an old saying: “Sticks and stones may break my bones; but words will never hurt me.

    Why do words appear to hurt you?

  49. @ac: “Answer: the time has past…

    Just wondering… Did Jesus ever choose the silent path?

  50. Black people are their own enemies, especially in this part of the world. Black african woman are proud of their skin and are some of the most beatiful women I’ve seen, they don’t consider themselves inferior to whites. Now I see black woman bleeching their skin to look white or as near as possible, white white are darkening their skin to look black or as close as possible. Check the white tourists who stay on the beach all day to get a tan, some even go to Harris Smith beach and strip to get a complete tan while blacks go to saloons to bleech

  51. @ david.

    Quote” the opposite of natural hair is mock hair

    can you substantiate the comment and the writer and its author. i mean the word natural when combine with mock =mockstick then in essence are you calling the female a mockstick. David words can heal the soul and with a female pleas don’t try to further degrade us by calloing us mock sticks because we choose to adore our heads with expensive hair some of which are synthetic and also natural.

  52. I remember an English woman telling me on her first visit to Barbados with her parents. The ship docked in Carlisle bay (this was before the deep water harbour was built) and she was on deck watching the men in small boats rowing towards the ship to collect the passengers. She was watching intently and excitedly pointed them out to her mother. She was told sternly not to look at them nor talk to them. She married a white bajan and still lives on the island.

    A friend told me that his English grandmother came to Barbados to marry a black bajan she had met in England. Before she got married she was told by an Anglican priest that he can’t marry her in that church if she wanted to marry this black man. The priest even wrote to her parents asking them to stop the marriage. The woman got married in the Methodist church.

  53. Check the white tourists who stay on the beach all day to get a tan, some even go to Harris Smith beach and strip to get a complete tan while blacks go to saloons to bleech

    Peeping Tom Peeping Tom Peeping Scout

  54. @islandgal246: “Before she got married she was told by an Anglican priest that he can’t marry her in that church if she wanted to marry this black man. The priest even wrote to her parents asking them to stop the marriage. The woman got married in the Methodist church.

    Ah… So finally we get down to the nut of it…


  55. there seems to be a phobia in Barbados for just about everything under the sun . now hair! woman wearing hair is a big problem for men. We woman don’t complain when we see the men all blown up like bull frogs and having over sized biceps and triceps posing on the cover of magazines even though it does not look at all natural we support them and think that if it makes them happy that is a good thing. so you men get real and let the woman do their thing and enjoy the ride.

    • @ac

      It is not a problem for the BU household because our women all believe in natural.

      We are however discussing why Black women seem to love mock hair, mock nails, mock botsy mock every thing.

      Where is there pride in their identity?

  56. I’ve dealt with and given much info on Ancient African religions/belief systems before on BU, which like all other ancient civilizations, have a DIRECT bearing, effect on their prosperity, stability, and a host of other social, economic, and other factors, I.e., development and so on, which CANNOT be seperated from Almighty God’s either blessing, or cursing, regardless of ‘Colour’ ethnicity, which IS* a confirmed fact of historic veracity, over the course of human history; not a popular subject, but of necessity, it simply cannot be ignored.


    Kofi Asare Opoku + Tasha Davis 2005-2011

    “Religion is a bottle with a label on it, sprituality is the thing inside. Religion is simply the culture of spiritual belief”

    Alik Shahadah

    “See also Traditional Healing | Islam and Africa | Vodon | African Christian.”

    ” Most spirtual practised by Africans whether native or mainstream are organized into religions. The rituals of Voodoo, Orisha, Serer, etc are all highly organized and without exception function in communal setting. The key difference is most native or traditional faiths are ethno-specific and generally lack a written tradition. Beyond this even Indigenous beliefs systems share elements in common with each other, as well as with the Abrahamic faiths.”

    War & Religion (E)

    ” While generalizations are difficult due to the diversity of African based religions they do share some common features: a belief in a supreme deity above a host of lesser gods or semi-divine figures; a belief in the power and intercession of ancestral spirits; the idea of sacrifice or libation, to ensure divine protection and generosity; the need to undergo rites of passage to move from the different stages of life (childhood to adulthood, from life to death). Many African religions have a creation stories which speak of the framework for the self-identity of these communities in a universal context. The role of humanity is generally seen as a harmonizing relationship between nature and the super-natural forces.”

    “In parts of Africa harsh distinctions are blurred as aspects of Islam and Christianity coexist and syncretize with elements of indigenous spirituality. Some of these elements are cultural traditions misidentified as religion. There has also been an over emphasis on syncretizing which seems to paint Africa’s own orthodoxies as not pure; discounting that Africa can produce them. But when it comes to Europe syncretizing is just called Catholic Church. Indigenous African faiths (ATR) also are the core ideology behind the Abrahamic faiths. I.e. Abrahamic faiths are the product of mixing with local “Middle Eastern” traditions with African traditions. (Black God, 1994) After the Jews left Egypt (according to the Bible) they took with them the African systems to the Levant. Even in Islam the African “saint” Bilal referred to Islam as the “old religion” he knew in Africa.”

    “Africans are a deeply spiritual people, that is perhaps the most unifying trait, so even when we have an academic debate we factor-in, and do not alienate the spiritual component. There is therefore no dichotomy in how the two worlds coexist: There is no natural competing objectives between science and spirituality. Beyond the titles people put on their faiths we must first understand religions are always a set of traditions (like wisdom) from old used as templates to instruct humanities moral direction. Its ultimate purpose is to keep people on track by preserving culture, ethos and ethics.”

    “Islam is also a traditional African religion, while not indigenous, because of its long coexistence with the last 1400 years of African history. And so would Christianity and Judaism in Ethiopia. Islam in Africa is diverse and made up of two processes; the Islamization of African people, and African people’s Africanization of Islam. Both forces create a diverse reading of Islam with its own plethora of “orthodoxies.” (Alik Shahadah)

    ” The Africans who were forcefully uprooted from their homes in Africa and transplanted in the Americas came from well-established societies with vital cultures,”

    “And wherever they settled their cultures grew roots and blossomed luxuriantly to the extent of profoundly influencing the formation of new cultures in the Americas.”

    “As bearers of culture, the Africans brought with them a distinctly African world-view, that enabled them to endure the indescribable hardships of the transatlantic journey and the unspeakably brutal and unimaginably painful life as slaves on plantations and homes. Their physical condition, as people who were essentially the property of others, people in chains, whose very fate depended on the arbitrary whim and fickle fancy of others, was the very opposite of their spiritual condition, which was strong, resolute and robust. The strength of their spirit, in the end, did not only enable them to survive, but also, on the basis of what they brought with them, contributed, singularly and permanently, to the new cultures that were to emerge in the Americas”.(Kofi Asare Opoku)

    “Today, native faiths are in direct competition with both Islam and Christianity for adherence. It is a tug of war which is seeing a decline in native beliefs. But elements do survive in pockets in Africa; as the popular saying goes “Jesus in the morning, Vodon in the night.” Like Christianity, one problem compounding many native faiths is corruption, exploitation and commercialization. In Cuba Santeria, and so-called Muti in South Africa, have become a quick way to earn a buck. Tourism has further trivialized many aspects of these rituals.”


  57. @Zoe: “I’ve dealt with and given much info on Ancient African religions/belief systems before on BU…

    But as a teacher you must understand that you might sometimes have to repeat yourself.

    Or, perhaps even better, answer direct questions.

    islandgal246 had a very pertinent question earlier in this thread: “Would Christianity have been so popular if Jesus was a Negro?

    What says you to that?

  58. Halsall asked, “Just wondering…Did Jesus ever choose the silent path?”

    “Pilate saith to him, ‘What is truth?’ and this having said, again he went forth unto the Jews, and saith to them, ‘I do find no fault in him;” (John 18:38)

    Barnes’ Notes on the Bible

    “What is truth? – This question was probably asked in CONTEMPT, and hence Jesus DID NOT ANSWER IT. Had the question been sincere, and had Pilate really sought it as Nicodemus had done John 3, Jesus would not have hesitated to explain to him the nature of his kingdom.”

    In another situation, “Thomas said to Him, ‘Lord, we do not know where you are going, and how we can KNOW* the way. Jesus said to him. “I AM THE WAY, (not one of many ways) the TRUTH (not one of many truths) and the LIFE* (The only way to eternal Life, not one of many) NO one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through ME.” (John 14: 5,6) Emphasis added.

    So, contemptuous, insidious questions, will be met with by silence!

  59. @Zoe: “So, contemptuous, insidious questions, will be met with by silence!

    You don’t claim to be Jesus. Do you?

    To the best of my knowledge, those who were disciples were more than happy to speak.

    You clearly are very happy to speak.

    You just don’t like answering honest questions….

  60. @ David !

    Why do black woman prefer artificial to natural! firstly it rans it in all races no one race is exempt the black race is more highlighted because of our ethnicity and also we are defined by certain traits our characteristic which we cannot hide so we seem to stand out more in a crowd don;t be fooled all these artificial trinkets were made popular by the whites who have worn them like a badge of honour the black only join of recent because of the image they were sold and also to compete on the white stage for a little acceptance by the white establishment who have always defined what is beautiful .

    • @Sarge

      Keeping it real.

      No mock hair, no mock finger and toenails, no mock botsy, no mock hair 🙂

      Like it natural.

  61. @David

    As we used to say back in the day, “you is a boy I like but yuh doing shite”. Don’t you know it is hazardous to your health if you comment negatively on Black women’s hair? Take it from someone who has been around a little longer than you, this is very dangerous territory and you are getting AC riled up and if you continue the sisterhood will hunt you down and well this is a family forum so I wont describe what they will do to you.

    In the meanwhile watch a short trailer from Chris Rock’s documentary “Good Hair”.

    Layaway Plan 🙂

  62. “Would Christianity have been so popular if Jesus had been a negro?”

    To a Christian Jesus’ skin colour would not have mattered.

    Nor for one in love – HER skin colour, the colour or texture of her hair, her nails, the shape of her ass –

    It might irritate if, in answer to her name being called, she said “Yes, please”. (see CH above).

    One thing: I first met the use of Venus de Milo cream in Africa.

  63. Oh..on “Yes please” – I first met that in Africa too – and stupsing. And on the business (see CH again) of not giving names – again it’s an inherited thing – if you give someone your name you give them power over you which can be used to exact retribution.

  64. @robert ross: “…if you give someone your name you give them power over you which can be used to exact retribution.

    On the other hand…

    If you give someone your name, and they don’t reciprocate, then the situation can be reversed when things get serious.

  65. @ CH

    Though Zoe in the earlier part of his contributions here has, I think, been maligned on the subject of race, please do not describe him as a “teacher”. Nor should he be regarded as any kind of authority on religion. He is a self-confessed quoter of other people’s words – often at excessive length – and I do not think for a moment that he would claim any more elevated status. To each their own.

  66. @robert ross: “Though Zoe in the earlier part of his contributions here has, I think, been maligned on the subject of race, please do not describe him as a “teacher”.

    My humour is sometimes misunderstood.

    Zoe talks a lot…

    I would really like it if he said something serious and meaningful, rather than simply talking a lot….

  67. @ CH

    I suspect – no, I know – that if someone asked me my name in the situation you outlined, I would either give it or, if you’d irritated me enough, say “What’s that got to do with you? F**k O**”. BUT I do accept there’s magic in a name. I suppose the bottom line is that I reckon (perversely) my magic is stronger than yours.

  68. @ CH

    Actually, when Zoe is NOT talking religion I think he sometimes writes perceptively and persuasively. But on religion the wisest course, as I’ve learned (tutored by Miller), is simply to pass by on the other side.

  69. @robert ross: “I suppose the bottom line is that I reckon (perversely) my magic is stronger than yours.

    Shall we test this?

    Met me at the Garrison at Noon.

    (Sorry. Inside joke. If you’re available I’ll buy you a coffee, give you a book, and engage you with interesting conversation.)

  70. “Would Christianity have been so popular if Jesus had been a negro?”

    Robert Ross said that ……”To a Christian Jesus’ skin colour would not have mattered.”
    Robert that answer is from someone who is afraid to think outside the circle. Why do I say that? Had Jesus been a black man this religion called Christianity would never have been the white man’s religion and therefore it would never have been forced onto the slaves.

    To the Jews the Massiah has never been seen and they are still awaiting his arrival. The Christians have chosen a Jew and made him into their God.

  71. @islandgal246… Robert’s answer was exactly correct.

    Your response simply points the complexities which have been introduced….

  72. who is to say that the injuries were not inflicted after the fact? Did the police report recognize any injuires?

  73. @Onions
    how do u classied a man or woman who have sex with the same and opposite sex, and what r ur views on it.

  74. @ sarge
    like Solomon your are a man of wisdom and thou does know how to entertain and be gracious to the female. Thou does get my repesct.

  75. Yeah david imitation maybe the finest form of flattery because the caucasian race over the years have also imitated the features of black how can one forget the generation of silicone breast implants some of them having sizes like breadfruits and having their arsses jack up with injections and their lips overblown to where they can’t close them to look like blacks and which is highly accepatablein the caucasian race .we are johnny come lately aiming to please , Just leave us Black woman alone with our fancy trinkets imitation hair and fake nails maybe it is because some of the men too cheap to want to bother/talk about fake how about men who wear toupee to cover their bald spot not a whisper about that coming from men but we woman laugh at them.

  76. To Ac:
    What do you say to a vegetarian who spends all day preparing a meal covered with mock meat.

  77. David most men appreciate when a woman spends time making herself looking beautiful ony mockmen doesn.t i hope you have not put yourself in that catergory although it is getting very hard for me to believe not

  78. @BU.David: “Men like different things in their women this David likes natural ok?


    Much easier. Much cheaper. Much faster…

    I personally can’t stand it when a woman has to spend more than ten minutes in front of a mirror before she considers herself to be “presentable”….

  79. @ Islandgal

    Actually, I was saying in a veiled way that there have been very few authentic followers of Jesus then and now. But it’s nice to be called Robert!

  80. @ david /

    Right! Rolling my eyes !See ! Look closer ! i hope your significant other is beautiful but again beauty is in the eyes of the beholder as with :Beauty and the Beast!


    Obama’s“coming out” in support of gay marriage just in time for George Clooney’s Hollywood fundraiser.

    No sooner did he make his announcement favoring same-sex marriage on May 9, 2012, than Obama found himself handed $15 million in campaign contributions at Clooney’s Jew-filled extravaganza held at his Laurel Canyon mansion the very next day.

    Before an ecstatic group of homosexuals and lesbians, Obama proclaimed: “Yesterday we made some news. We’re not going to turn back the clock. You will no longer be discriminated against based on who you love. [Screams & Howls!] We are moving forward!”

    Jewish notables in attendance united in their agenda to destroy America’s Christian consciousness included Newsweek’s Barry Diller (now “officially” bi-sexual after marrying Dianna Von Furstenberg); Jeffrey Katzenberg of Dream Works, who organized the fund raiser; singer Barbara Streisand; and “gay” sitcom actor, Billy Crystal.

  82. Here is a challenging and responsible excerpt from re Ms.g irresponsible, and ignorant post May 16, 2012 at 2;02am.

    Friday, May 25, 2012Rom 1 reply, 7: “A revealing comment at a popular bajan blog, that ties hostility to the Scriptures to the idea that “people do not have any right to tell others who they can marry or be in a relationship with . . . ”

    “A few days ago, at the popular Barbadian blog, Barbados Underground, a Ms G posted the following remarks; which reveal an increasingly common attitude that we now need to address, whether on the streets, on verandahs, on campus, by the workplace water cooler, or on the Internet:. . .

    “…the bottom line is people do not have any right to tell others who they can marry or be in a relationship with and then to back up their bigotry and hatred use the Bible as a way to enforce their feelings.”

    “The Bible was written by man how many dongs ago. I have never in all my life heard that God himself wrote the Bible therefore we are controlled by whomever wrote the Bible. It is funny how the Bible states that you should not take counsel from mediums etc however the Bible is full of prophets…..I personally feel many parts of the Bible are misconstrued”

    “The first, most tellingly revealing problem, here, is that biblical morality is casually equated with bigotry, hatred and busybody-ness.”

    “Evidently, Mrs G does not understand just how serious it is to so casually accuse a great many people of bigotry and hate. And, it should be plain to a more fair minded onlooker, that there is a lot of turn-about projection at work here, that serves to justify the hostility to the Christian faith and its adherents that is here revealed.”

    “In short, we can see the polarising civilisational divide at work, just as was intended by those who have been promoting the homosexualisation of marriage.”

    “This sort of toxic talking point usually points to an underlying contempt for the Christian faith — typically, with roots in scientism: roughly, the notion that “science” delimits “real” knowledge so that which cuts across evolutionary materialist beliefs or agendas connected to such is necessarily irrational. Such closed-minded contempt as a rule does not trouble to seriously inquire whether there may be warrant for the moral views in question, or regarding how rights may be grounded, or for the Gospel and the Christian faith. To such minds, it is enough that the views are “religion,” and on this they can be dismissed without further consideration.”

    “We will turn to the issues on the Christian faith later, but first let us focus on the homosexualised marriage talking point.”

    “Alan Keyes, in responding to former US First Lady Barbara Bush, remarks:”

    “. . . isn’t love the foundation of marriage? Why should some loving couples enjoy legal recognition and privileges that are denied to others?”

    “But the plausible conviction that loving homosexual couples “ought to have…the same sort of rights that everyone has” immediately runs afoul of the simple fact that homosexuals are not the only loving couples without the legal right to marry. Parents and their children don’t have it. Siblings don’t have it. Children not yet of legal age don’t have it; and so on. In principle, all such people are capable of forming loving, committed relationships. By the logic Mrs. Bush relies on, “they ought to have… the same sort of rights that everyone has.”

    “In short, once we see obvious exceptions to a suggested “rule” like that, something is fundamentally wrong with the rule. What is it? Keyes continues:”

    “Why are parents and their children forbidden to marry one another? Cut to the chase and the answer is simple. The right to marry includes legal recognition (legitimization) of the married couple’s right to have sexual relations with one another. But it is wrong for parents to have sexual relations with their children. It’s wrong for siblings to have sexual relations with each other. It’s wrong for adults to have sexual relations with underage children. Obviously, unless Mrs. Bush means to argue that these restrictions are unjustified, a committed loving relationship is not enough to establish that people “ought to have” the right to marry.”

    “He then digs in further, addressing the pivotal term, “ought”:
    Mrs. Bush’s use of the word “ought” deserves further attention. The difference between what people do and what people ought to do is a matter of moral judgment. The word “ought” implies the application of a moral standard, a rule or principle that distinguishes right from wrong. People ought to do what is right. They ought not to do what is wrong. When people do what is right, they have the right to act (i.e., have right on their side as they act.) But can the same be said of those who do what is wrong?”

    “He then points to a key breakdown triggered by the modern confusion of liberty and license — the abuse of freedom:”

    “In everyday parlance these days, we use the term “right” as though it is synonymous with the freedom to act as we choose. But if the choice is wrong, it makes no sense to assert that the chooser has the right to act on it (i.e., has right on his side as he does so.) What someone can do (has the physical capacity or opportunity to do) differs from what they ought to do. This is in fact the rationale for all criminal laws. It’s what allows us to recognize that simply having the opportunity and power to take someone’s life or goods does not grant the right to do so, does not make it right.”

    “In short, until the moral legitimacy of homosexual conduct is solidly grounded (and until the harmlessness of such a legislative — or, these days, often, a judicial — act is sufficiently shown), we have a perfect right to question the notion that our civilisation’s states should take the step of legitimising homosexual relationships as marriages under the law. Which of course is a very big question indeed, and one on which all serious voices have a right to be heard. Including, those who look to the truly great religious teachers of mankind, as proved moral instructors.”

    “So, why is it that Mrs G and others of like ilk are so busily and broadly imputing that those who, on moral grounds, object to homosexual behaviour and legitimisation of such relationships, are bigoted and hateful?”

    “Precisely, because, they cannot ground the legitimacy of such behaviour — much of which is warning label dangerous, and all of which is objectively disordered and counter to the naturally evident creation-order complementarity of man and woman, and the requisites of sound child bearing and nurture (as well as being notoriously counter to the teachings of ALL major religions) — on sound reasoning. So, we are seeing a cheap tactic of appealing to the all too common prejudice against Bible-believing Christians, to promote an agenda that is itself questionable. That is irresponsible and itself a manifestation of a further immoral act: spite.”

    “Perhaps, with faint hints of what the Russians call: nekulturny. (Please, please, please, think again before deriding and branding those who are following the principles and concerns raised by some of the greatest teachers of our race, ever.)”

    “Now, why do I point out that these cannot ground the legitimacy of such behaviour?”

    “Because of the problem of grounding OUGHT in IS.”

  83. Ms G, Says, “…I am a SPIRITUALIST so what I DEAL WITH is a deeper level that just reading a man written book although I love my Psalms and the Lords Prayer.” Emphasis added

    Ms G, You are terribly deceived, and are DEALING with the Devil, the father of ALL LIES and deception. BTW, occultist like yourself, love to use and claim a love for God’s Word, in the Psalms and the Lords Prayer, so typical.

    The following is a brief compilation of Almighty God’s rejection and condemnation of such Occultic practices, you have been DUPED into just one variation of Satan’s LIES!

    Bible Teaching about These Supernatural Powers
    Witchcraft, sorcery, etc., are condemned without qualification in both the Old and New Testaments.

    Deuteronomy 18:9-14 — Every aspect of the occult is here itemized and forbidden as an “abomination.” Specifically forbidden are: one who practices “witchcraft” (NKJV; “divination” — ASV; KJV) or a “sorcerer” (NKJV and ASV; “witch” — KJV), or a “spiritist” “SPIRITUALIST”(NKJV; “wizard” — ASV, KJV).

    Leviticus 19:31 — Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits (“wizards” — ASV, KJV); do not seek after them, to be defiled by them (NKJV).

    Leviticus 20:6 — And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits (“wizards” — ASV, KJV), to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people. (NKJV)

    Leviticus 20:27 — A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has a familiar spirit (“wizard” — ASV, KJV), shall surely be put to death (NKJV).

    Revelation 21:8 — But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

    Revelation 22:15 — But outside [heaven] are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

    Acts 13:8-10 — Elymas the sorcerer tried to keep Sergius Paulus from accepting the gospel. Paul rebuked him saying: “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?”

    Note that the Bible does not distinguish whether the witchcraft is intended to achieve a beneficial goal or a harmful one. It is all inherently wrong because it is an appeal to a forbidden source of power.

    [2 Chron. 33:6; 2 Kings 9:22; Ex. 22:18; 1 Sam. 15:23; Mic. 5:12; Nahum 3:4; Jer. 27:9; Mal. 3:5; Isa. 2:6; 2 Kings. 21:6; 23:24; Isa. 19:3]

    Specific powers of witchcraft and sorcery are named and condemned.
    Exodus 7:11,22; 8:7 — Using their “enchantments,” Pharaoh’s magicians tried to duplicate the miracles done by Moses and Aaron. “Enchantments” refer to the ceremonies or rituals sorcerers and magicians use to accomplish their ends: incantations, spells, magic words (“hocus-pocus”), wearing of charms (amulets), etc.

    As the witchcraft website says: “Spells are used by Wiccans, and are a series of rituals and prayers that are conducted in witchcraft to ask for divine help in a certain aspect of life.” But God forbids them all.

    Deuteronomy 18:10 also mentions these “enchantments” as part of that which is forbidden (“enchanters” — ASV, KJV).

    Isaiah 8:19,20 – When they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? … To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    “Whisper and mutter” refers to the incantations and spells of magicians. These words are supposed to give the user power to induce the spirit beings to accomplish the desired result. If you know the words, you can lead the spirit to do your bidding.

    Note that God’s objection is that such practices are a failure to seek after the true God.

    Galatians 5:20,21 — Those who will not inherit the kingdom of God include those who practice “sorcery” (“witchcraft” — KJV). This includes the occult in general, but refers especially to the use of drugs and potions brewed by witches in their cauldrons, etc. (Movies and books often refer to the witches’ books of spells and recipes for potions, etc. “Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble…”)

    God condemns, not only the whole practice of the occult, but also the specific methods, rituals, and mumbo-jumbo words used.

    [Lev. 19:26; 2 Kings 17:17; Isa. 47:9,12; Jer. 27:9; 2 Kings 21:6; 2 Chron. 33:6; Isa. 3:20; Rev. 9:21]

    Witches and sorcerers cannot duplicate the powers and miracles God did through inspired men.

    The Bible often warns us to avoid being deceived by lying wonders [2 Thess. 2:9; Matt. 24:24; Deut. 13:1-5]. Many Bible events involved confrontations between those who did true miracles from God and those who practiced forms of sorcery or magic.

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