After TRAYVON MARTIN: Black Boys Speak

Submitted by Kevin Powell – Twitter Profile

Greetings everyone. I hope you all are well. I am respectfully asking that you view a new video that Bucktown USA  Entertainment and I just produced entitled “After Trayvon: Black Boys Speak.” It is an inspiring and emotionally gripping public conversation amongst 9 Black and Latino boys ages 10-17. It was shot in Brooklyn, New York in early April 2012 at the famous House of the Lord Church just days before George Zimmerman was arrested for the fatal shooting. “After Trayvon” brings together these young boys to discuss Trayvon Martin, their own feelings of vulnerability and fear, education, leadership, violence in all forms, history as they understand it, and how they view America, their America. I serve as moderator for the conversation.

We want this video to go viral, and I am personally asking that all of you share the video near and far, that you embed it on your website and or listserve with a note encouraging folks to watch it and to use it as a conversation piece and or a teaching tool. This is our contribution to a national and international conversation that needs to happen. And who better to lead it than the young males who are most affected by the issue of racial profiling?

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  1. The video of those young black boys/men, and their innocent perspective, in view of some of their experiences with Police ‘profiling’ them at their tender ages, is NOT good at all. Also, their versions of how they came to know of the Zimmerman/Martin shooting, IS terribly biased, because of the Media Hype, and especially the Sharpton, ‘Black Panthers’ RACE hatred, and a RUSH to judgment WITHOUT* all of the facts, especially those FACTS as revealed in the following, investegative report, from WITHIN* the very gated community, by BLACKS who live there, and what they SAW and heard, building up to the Zimmerman/Martin, case/

    George Zimmerman: Prelude to a Shooting.
    By Chris Francescani, Sanford, Florida, Wed, April 25, 2012, 5:20pm EDT

    (Reuters) – A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.

    The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law’s dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

    “Don’t use pepper spray,” he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. “It’ll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you,” he said.

    “Get a gun.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425


  2. i have followed this story and was overwhelmed by the support and respect the american black community showed for the martin family without this kind of support this injustice would have been swept under the rug and george zimmerman would have been walking scotch free , strenght comes in numbers and in this case the black community did not hesitate to show such strength.


  3. Did ‘racial’ profiling of Blacks start before the record of homocide killings by Blacks? What are some of the facts?

    “A US Black is 7 times as likely to kill a White, than a White to kill a Black.”

    “At the very beginning of his 911 call, Zimmerman tells the operator that there have been a lot of break-ins recently. In fact, there were eight burglaries in the previous fifteen months. Where the intruders were identified, most were young black males, including two who invaded the home of a young mother and tried to break into the bedroom she had locked herself into with her infant son. This must have been a terrifying experience, but it was not of interest to the MSM. Zimmerman met with the woman afterward.”

    Is Twin Lakes in Sanford an anomaly?

    Like the 911 calls, Justice Department statistics are a click or two away.

    “Between 1976 and 2005, African-Americans, 12.6% of the population in the last census, committed 52.2% of all homicides.”

    “That is, over the 30-year period, African-Americans committed murder at about 7.33 times the white rate. (Whites here include Hispanics.)”

    “Of homicides committed by strangers, on average, 18.77% involved blacks killing whites, while in 5.08% of the cases, whites killed blacks. African-Americans were therefore nearly 3.7 times more likely to kill a white than a white to kill a black”

    “Actually, it is worse if you look at the criminality of the individual person. There are about 5.6 times more Whites 72.4% then Blacks 12.6% . So very few blacks kill 3.7 times more whites then 5 times as many whites kill Blacks. Thus an individual Black is about 20 times as likely to kill a White then an individual White to kill a Black person. And considering that Hispanic Whites commit a larger percentage of crime then non-Hispanic whites (63.7%) the numbers get even bigger compared to non-Hispanic Whites.”

    “My math might be off. It looks like Blacks are “only” 7 times as likely to kill a White, compared to Whites killing Blacks (homicide tables). It would be interesting to find the table that separates the Hispanic and the non-Hispanic Whites.”

    “So racial profiling is totally justified. Yes, Blacks kill Blacks too, and certainly honest reputable Blacks are afraid of adolescent gang toughs and probably strive to avoid and fear a group of Blacks more then a group of Whites. In spite of alleged racism that would make Blacks fear Whites.”

    “To provide some raw numbers, in 2005, the last year for which the DOJ statistics are available, 10,285 African-Americans committed murders. As 8.8% of these were “black on white,” there were, assuming only one death per murderer, 905 whites killed, almost 2.5 per day. In the same year, again assuming one killing per perpetrator, 267 blacks were murdered by whites (3.2% of 8,350 killings).”

    “Crime is a young man’s métier. The vast majority of the 52.2% of U.S. murders committed by African-Americans are the work of the roughly 2% of the population who are black males between the ages of 15 and 25.”

    “Would these figures, courtesy of Eric Holder, surprise most Americans?”

    “Not if you scroll down to the comments in local papers below stories of murders, like this one on March 31.”

    “Not if you judge by demographic trends since the 1960s.”

    “But this is a subject that cannot be mentioned by the national media. With rare exceptions, when blacks kill whites, it’s local news.”

    “One of the exceptions was Eve Carson, student body president of UNC, killed by two African-American men on March 5, 2008. Another white student, Lauren Burk, a freshman at Auburn, was kidnapped and killed by a black man the day before, but because of Carson’s position, her record of public service and academic accomplishments, and, no doubt, her attractiveness, the story was picked up. American Thinker”

    “Black on White crime is routinely white washed, the race hidden behind the Euphemism “Man beat up by group of Youth”. So readers get a wrong impression.”

    “Facts are stubborn things, and only the stubborn refuse to accept them.” ( Dr.Martin Luther King)


  4. aren’t we blacks dumb down enough now zoe comes along with information that has nothing to do with trayvon being shot to death at the hands of george zimmerman.now zoe are blacks supposed to be blamed for the death of trayvon. can you deal with what has happened here ?do you think that all blacks are stupid. How in the hell does your comment justify trayvons death and furthermore if this was one of your favourite Israelis killed at the hands of a black would you be trying to justify such a killing . WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOUR THINKING Have you gone mad seriously!


    • @Zoe

      Don’t understand the line you are going down, these boys are articulating their perceptions living in the USA today. Who are you to challenge what they believe?


  5. “Facts are STUBBORN things, and ONLY* the stubborn (wilfully IGNORANT) REFUSE to accept them.” ( MLK)

    So it be!


  6. @David, you’re beginning to sound like ac, not reasoning the FACTS and evidence, which are:

    “Crime is a young man’s métier. The vast majority of the 52.2% of U.S. murders committed by African-Americans are the work of the roughly 2% of the population who are black males between the ages of 15 and 25.”

    David, the FACTS are seperate FROM the experiences of these young blacks, because “The VAST majority of the 52% of us MUDERS committed by African’Americans are the WORK of roughly 2% of the population WHO are BLACK MALES between (What ages?) of 15 and 25.”

    With these FACTS, what do you expect the Police to DO?

    Blacks in the gated community in which the Zimmerman/Martin, encounter occurred, SAW with their eyes, other BLACK YOUTH, committing crimes, or attempted crimes WITHIN this community; PLUS the pictorial evidence from the record thus far, has Zimmerman with blood flowing from the back of his head, conforming that he was forced DOWN on the ground, against the FACTS and evidence nationally in America, AND the crimes committed WITHIN the community, varified by OTHER BLACKS, what do you expect Zimmerman to have done?


  7. this incident is an eyeopener to those who do not believe how blacks are treated in america .even with a black president the attitudes towards black has not changed and never will change imagine in the 21st century after years of blacks having to fight for their civil rights an incident such as this occurs the accuser walks free without even an investigation from the police i would like to ask the apologist on this blog for george zimmerman is “where is the justice in that” and if trayvon was your son would it be o.k. to let the murder get away with the crime. this is unbelievable but not surprising that in this day and age the apologist would go as far as blaming the “hoodie for Trayvon death. i guess the don;t have the guts to blame his color but who knows what there are thinking wouldn’t surprise me


  8. look there are facts and there are circumstances surrounding each fact so Zoe get your little know facts together and analyse them according to each circumstance and stop poo- pooing an incident of a different magnitude and circumstance and tying everything into a neat ball that doesn’t make sense. this george zimmerman guy was belligerent and gung ho pistol packing ignoramus out to draw blood and teach trayvon a lesson.and the end result was george zimmerman committing murder on a boy who only was packing a bag of skittles


    • @Zoe

      What the empiricals say cannot be argued but often times one has to evoke meaning to the stats to to paint a truer picture


  9. Well, David, who are you going to blame for the FACTS? Why do an absolute minority of the US Population, young Blacks, account for the majority of Murders committed?

    Who forces them to be driven to commit such crimes? Is it the Whites, you are going to blame? Who are the Whites who commit such crimes going to blame, or the Hispanics?

    This PASSING of the BLAME is a non sequiter; can’t WORK, its a cop-out, to blame someone else for your own FAILURE, to take advantage of the opportunities, that MANY other Blacks, Hispanics et al, have TAKEN, and have done WELL!

    Why is the incidence of HIV/AIDS so HIGH amoung blacks in the US? Are they not exposed to the same info, as the rest of the population? Why don’t they avail themselves of Condoms, that are so freely there to purchase?

    Are you going to blame the White man for this gross irresponsibilty on the part of the Blacks too?


    • @Zoe

      The answer is simple. Blacks in America have been ring fenced in a bad place. The Black Ghetto is a place which begets violence.


  10. Facts and EVIDENCE, stand on their own strength, regardless, of WHO is presenting them. Facts and evidence are COLOURLESS!
    *************
    If you lift an article or part of an article from another source you should give them credit. It’s the Christian thing to do.
    There are three kinds of lies, lies damn lies and statistics,did your source ever publish any “Evidence” of White crimes? They tried to put the victim on trial but it didn’t succeed, now let’s put all black people on trial. In the wake of Trayvon’s death let’s try to alter the conversation and bring up the bogeyman of back crime.

    Zimmerman had a choice, he called the Police and was told to stand down, the Police were on their way but this neighbourhood vigilante decided to take the law into his own hands. BTW wasn’t Zimmerman the choir boy once charged with assaulting a Policeman?


  11. Like george zimmerman Zoe is on the hunt targetting and blaming blacks his theory is to prove that because blacks commit crime george zimmerman had a right to be suspicious of Trayvon which in part was really the cause of zimmerman having to killed trayvon .that is zoe cock-a-mamie defense for zimmerman that is why heis drawn to bring out all these statics trying to prove that”Suspicion” is a sufficient defense to “stand your ground.” also remember the apologist also tried “the hoodie ” theory but that didn’t work.


    • The fact in this case which Zoe is overlooking is that Zimmerman was told to standdown. He was in no danger to cause him to have to pull a gun.


  12. Zoe is not stupid but in this case he is trying to find a self defense theory to support the “stand your ground law” when all he is doing is stereotyping all black males and at the same time showing his inhibitions and fear of black men!


  13. it is interesting to note that in this instance Zoe has not relied on the Bible law but has using man’s statistics to prove his theory into convincing people probable cause for trayvon’s death. after all these years of bible teachings here on BU he has conveniently ignored the teachings and laws of the bible which emphatically states “Thou shalt not Kill” “an eye for an eye” turn the other cheek” and last but not least to you i say “To whom much is given much is expected. in the Trayvon case you have shown all and given nothing ! shame on you Zoe! Shame on You!


  14. @ David, says:

    “The answer is simple. Blacks in America have been ring fenced in a bad place. The Black Ghetto is a place which begets violence.”

    David, WHO “…ring FENCED (Blacks) in a bad place…” Where IS* the ring fence, David? Are they not FREE to move around, like other Blacks, who choose to behave non-violently; OR, have they not choosen to remain in, “The Black Ghetto IS a place which begets violence” just like ours here in Bimshire, while MANY other Blacks, in the US and B;dos CHOOSE to lift themselves UP, get a good education, and are DOING well… CHOICE, David, CHOICE, STOP blaming the White man, et al, the ONLY ‘ring fence’ is in their own MINDS!


  15. “There are three kinds of lies, lies damn lies and statistics,did your source ever publish any “Evidence” of White crimes?”

    Is the following good enough for you?

    “Of homicides committed by strangers, on average, 18.77% involved blacks killing whites, while in 5.08% of the cases, whites killed blacks. African-Americans were therefore nearly 3.7 times more likely to kill a white than a white to kill a black”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/zimmermanandketman.html

    Or http:www. reuters.com/article/2012/0425/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idusbre83018h20120425


  16. It is a FACT, that whenever Blacks Murder Whites, it IS kept very low keyed by the ‘White’ media establishment, AND Black Racists like Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, et al, say little or NOTHING. BUT, when it is a White that murders a Black, ALL hell brakes loose!

    Black Crime against Whites.Newsom/Christian

    “Black Crime,Obama refuses to correct the problem, the new black panthers were on the way to prison and Obama let them go! been covered up by the media!The far left blacks like the NAACP has been trying to deceive the American people that blacks are just like they are, peace loving and trusting! The big lie and deception that got the two young people killed in Knoxville, Tennessee, to make matters worse they said it was not a hate crime and the national media did not cover the story! A group of KKK and other whites came to Knoxville to make sure it was not a cover up. Where was the racist Sharpton and Jackson. If it had been 4 or 5 whites that raped and killed A YOUNG BLACK COUPLE WE WOULD HAVE THE BLACK RACIST AND SHARPTON FLOODING THE STREETS OF KNOXVILLE CALLING WHITE RACIST! tHE NATIONAL MEDIA WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. It was only a young white couple on a date car jacked raped and killed by 5 blacks nothing to write about! America you had better wake up!”

    http://blackcrime.dove777.com


  17. I had NO idea that the stats and FACTS on this issue of Black crime committed against Whites, are this terrible!

    Justice Department Statistics About Black On White Race Violence
    ‘The Race War Of Black Against White’ by Paul Sheehan The Sydney Morning Herald , Australia, 20 May 1995

    “The longest war America has ever fought is the Dirty War, and it is not over. It has lasted 30 years so far and claimed more than 25 million victims. It has cost almost as many lives as the Vietnam War. It determined the result of last year’s congressional election.”

    “Yet the American news media do not want to talk about the Dirty War, which remains between the lines and unreported. In fact, to even suggest that the war exists is to be discredited. So let’s start suggesting, immediately.”

    “No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 years a large segment of black America has waged a war of violent retribution against white America.”

    “And the problem is getting worse, not better. In the past 20 years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the population. Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young whites.”

    “Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves, have not been reported in America:”

    • According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

    • Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims”, published in 1993.

    • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

    • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

    • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

    “These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960’s, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement.”

    “Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.”

    “When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse).”

    “When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II.”

    “All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist by the American news media. It prefers to maintain a paternalistic double-standard in its coverage of black America, a lower standard.”

    http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

    Against these FACTS, is it any wonder that racial ‘profiling’ became necessary by the Police?!


  18. @Zoe

    What is so difficult to understand that Black on Black violence although reprehensible is a different issue to the racial profiling applicable in this case? Also the perception of young Blacks in America as represented in the video should worry many about the extent this situation is poised to repeat itself in perpetuity.


  19. Does this recent murder, also in Florida, exhibit racial profiling of the victims by the murderer?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/28/florida-shooting-trial-shawn-tyson-james-cooper-james-kouzaris_n_1386377.html

    In deciding to hold up the two victims the murderer profiled them as “crackers” based on their colour.

    Does it matter that the two victims were profiled …. or that they are dead and cold blooded first degree murder was committed?


  20. here we go again zoe in his blatant attack to blame the Victim in his total blindness and ignorance of the law he chooses to ignore the facts and some of the procedures relevant to trayvon killing but would vehemently defend george zimmeran viligant form of justice to prove his point.why zoe have you suddenly have a case of amnesia and the teachings of your higly and touted WORD the BIBLE has lost its relevancy how zoe you have totally lost your way


  21. John re. your 8.59 post;

    What racial profiling what?

    Racial profiling, in the context in which it is normally used, refers to a rush to judgement by police or other authority figures on the activities or likely actions of individuals based on their racial characteristics. It is not an assessment by an individual of the race of another individual or even on predicting what another individual might or might not do in a certain situation based on his or her race. Would you assess as racial profiling an attempt by tourism planners to be able to predict the spending habits of our visitors based on their race?

    Deleterious action resulting from racial profiling is a key element of the term. The effects of racial profiling is typically uncalled for actions by a powerful authority group using a racial profile to condemn, mistreat or disadvantage an individual without due process. That is not evident in your example.


  22. David | May 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM |
    @John

    Can you separate the two?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The decision to accost the two victims was based on their profile as crackers.

    The act of murder need not have happened.

    It was open to the murderer to walk away, before there was any murder.

    They are therefore quite separate and distinct.


  23. Mr Tyson was in his neighbourhood.

    No doubt he weilded some power and authority.

    He saw two persons enter his neighbourhood who did not belong.

    He accosted them based on the profile they appeared to fit.

    The murder is a quite separate issue.


  24. John re. your 11.25 post;

    What facts are hard to answer what?
    The Trayvon Martin case and the case you brought up are illustrative of two separate and distinct situations under the prism of racial profiling.

    I tried to get you to see that the term “racial profiling” relates to cases that are different to “normal” US inner city rascality and hoodlumism. Similarly, I think David tried to get you to see that difference. All to no avail.

    There are none so blind ………


  25. I have heard almost everything from almost everyone. The stand your own law is seriously flawed. Trayvon Martin was preyed upon by an over zealous neighbourhood watchman who felt that a gun in his pocket made him powerful. Part of that scenario was that Trayvon happened to be black and that he appeared to be a stranger in town. Were it a white person the results would have been different I believe.

    I believe what made it worst was how the authorities handled the incident. They were very quick to cite the stand your ground rule even though there was evidence to prove that Zimmerman was warned to desist from following Trayvon Martin. When Zimmerman chose to ignore that warning the scenario changed dramatically. Trayvon Martin had every right to confront Zimmerman as to why he was being followed. A fight ensured and Trayvon became another dead victim. Trayvon Martin was standing his ground and was killed because of it and not the other way around.

    Stand-your-ground law had a sad history before Trayvon
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/24/2710297/stand-your-ground-law-had-a-sad.html#storylink=cpy

    After listening to the video it is heart wrenching to hear these young Black and Latino males talking about their experiences with the police. One bright young man suggested that Black males should change their image to avoid the racial profiling while another said that he didn’t want to change his image but wanted to change how white people looked at Black people. Stereotyping is very common human trait and occurs in all races including the descendants of African ancestry. How can they go about changing that stereotype? Can they change it?


  26. Checkit-Out | May 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM |
    John re. your 11.25 post;

    What facts are hard to answer what?
    The Trayvon Martin case and the case you brought up are illustrative of two separate and distinct situations under the prism of racial profiling.

    I tried to get you to see that the term “racial profiling” relates to cases that are different to “normal” US inner city rascality and hoodlumism. Similarly, I think David tried to get you to see that difference. All to no avail.

    There are none so blind ………
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Racial profiling refers to the use of an individual’s race or ethnicity by law enforcement personnel as a key factor in deciding whether to engage in enforcement (e.g. make a traffic stop or arrest). The practice is controversial and is illegal in some nations”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling

    So says wikipedia.

    Strictly speaking, if wikipedia is to be believed, racial profiling cannot be said to have existed in either case because neither Messrs Zimmerman nor Tyson were part of “law enforcement”.

    The fact that Mr. Zimmerman is a neighbourhood watch captain does not make him part of law enforcement just as the fact that Mr. Tyson is enforcing the law of the jungle doesn’t make him a part of law enforcement.

    I would suggest that the use of the position of Mr. Zimmerman by the press and others is to somehow give legitimacy to the claim that he could be viewed as a part of law enforcement and hence racial profiling existed.

    I am showing that applying the logic to Mr. Tyson that he and his buddies who surveilled the two british tourists as they entered their neighbourhood and discussed their options via communication links shows they were also functioning as a neighbourhood watch and had profiled their victims based on their race before pulling them over.

    Do you realise that if wikipedia’s definition of racial profiling is applied and Mr. Zimmerman is not a member of law enforcement that the media fluff around the whole issue evaporates and the residue is the real problem … the gun ….. and a failure to communicate?

    If you go back to the 911 call, you will also see that the key factor for Mr. Zimmerman which alerted his attention was not race at all … but the behaviour of Trayvon Martin.

    … and up till then he did the right thing, call 911 and report suspicious activity.


  27. The “stand your ground “law was written with an intent to target a certain race of people.those who wrote such a law did not at all care about the ramifications there intent was to send a harsh and unrealistic message this law should have been called “the vigalante law” because it has a builtin racial overtone of targetting minorties most of whom are black based on the notion of statics.Which zoe and others are calling verifiable facts.


  28. John;

    Please!

    Zimmerman was acting in an unofficial law enforcement capacity. He called the police for advice and then proceeded to ignore that advice.

    It also seems that you forgot that you tried to equate the two cases as racial profiling in your first post. I think you may also have seen from the wikipedia definition that you were wrong and that my definition made without reference to any dictionary, was right.


  29. Why don’t you ALL ‘colour’ bigoted, intellectually dishonest supporters, of Black CRIME and Murder agaist Whites in the US; STOP trying to suppress the FACTS and EVIDENCE; by your repeated ‘Redherring’ distractive bile, and Self-Refferential Race distorted dishonesty.

    Deal with the FACTS and evidence as posted earlier, and given again below. What are you going to DO with these FACTS?

    “These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960′s, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement.”

    “Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.”

    “When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse).”


  30. wCheckit-Out | May 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM |
    John;

    Please!

    Zimmerman was acting in an unofficial law enforcement capacity. He called the police for advice and then proceeded to ignore that advice.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Next time you come into contact with a law enforcement officer (particularly in the US) ask under what circumstances a member of the public can act unofficially in that officer’s capacity!!!!!!

    I don’t think there is sufficient evidence available to say that Mr. Zimmerman ignored the advice of the 911 operator!!

    There is the distinct possibility that Trayvon Martin jumped him and events unfolded.

    I am not sure the stand your ground rule applies.

    If Mr. Zimmerman approached Trayvon Martin provocatively that is not standing your ground.

    On the other hand if Trayvon Martin jumped Mr. Zimmerman it becomes a matter of self defence … but I really don’t know much about law.

    We will see what we will see.

    I purposely and blindly applied the flawed logic that was being bandied about to both cases to see what resulted.

    I then checked to see if there was an actual definition which could be used and lo and behold …. eureka!!

    My conclusion given the definition is that anytime you hear racial profiling used in the Zimmerman case disregard it and look for real facts.

    The term is being purposely used to mislead.


  31. John you are using hypothetical reasoning and unconfirmed information , the Facts are: Trayvon is DEAD! George zimmerman had no proof or evidence or caused to believe that Trayvon was in the area to commit a crime or engaging in a crime or was a danger to anyone, and if so george zimmerman should have related such knoweldge to the police. He did not and took the law in his own hands based on a perception and profiling plain and simple as this case proceeds the suggestion made by you that george was trying to defend himself is going to back fire because it could be that Trayvon was trying to defend himself against an armed george Zimmerman.afterall Trayvon only weapon of self defense was a bag of skittles which undoubtedly going to play a very important role in Trayvon;s defense. A bag of skittles Vs. a Gun:


  32. ac

    I am referring to the 911 call which went like this before it was edited.

    Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or like he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

    911 dispatcher: “OK, and this guy … is he black, white or Hispanic?”

    Zimmerman: [pauses] “He looks black.”

    Based on the above NBC apologised for editing the tape and fired a reporter.

    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/04/trayvon-martin-911-call-controversy-nbc-apologizes-for-editing-g/

    Nothing hypothetical about the editing, apology or dismissal!!

    Interestingly the term racial profiling was used in the article above but it is clear that it was the 911 operator who introduced race, Mr Zimmerman was more concerned about the suspicious activity.


  33. @ JOHN

    george zimmerman was asked a series of questions to which his reply was suggestive based on no proof. all he had to say to the operator that there was a suspicious looking guy. nothing more .the fact that he had all of theses preconceived thoughts going around in his mind and outwardly stated them goes to george zimmemans state of mind ;like in :What was he thinking” and all it is going to take is a ualified clinical psychologist to tear this case apart to show that george was indeed using “racial profiling” from the get go. his statements to the operate speaks volumes about georges state of mind before the encounter also notice the operator asking for information about the ethnicity did not ask about one race she asked about others as well. so she in essence was doing her job.


  34. ac

    I have lived in neighbourhoods in areas of Florida and have visited friends in gated communities also in Florida.

    People are either in their houses or in their cars going somewhere.

    It is totally different from Barbados where it is perfectly normal to see people walking about doing nothing.

    People walking about in the neighbourhoods I have lived in or visited are either jogging or walking a dog or moving between house and car …. and they do it briskly and it is clear they belong.

    By Bajan standards it is unnatural!!

    You do not see people just walking about.

    When you do it is with a purpose which is pretty easy to discern.

    Maybe the explanation for Trayvon Martin just walking about was as simple as he was lost.

    He was there after all visiting.


  35. John;

    Your last post makes a lot of sense.

    Wonder if Zimmerman went up to him and asked him if he was lost and offered to help him find where he was going?


  36. @Zoe

    Sadly my time is limited and I don’t have time to visit blogs and reproduce meaningless numbers in a vacuum without understanding their significance but those neo conservative blogs that you favour whose primary focus until recently was the location of Obama’s birth certificate are filled with anti black rhetoric…

    I repeated the phrase “there are three types of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics and those blogs are Exhibit No 1 .Thanks for taking us back 17 years and the enlightened view of the Aussie writer. Could you let us know who verified those statistics? Or do you subscribe to the theory that since it was published in a newspaper it must be true?

    Here is an excerpt from what you posted:

    “These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960′s, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement.”

    How did this writer juxtapose this “increase” in crime with the civil rights movement was he casting blame on the movement? BTW did that Australian writer ever write about the indigenous people of Australia? If you wanted to compare the incidence of Black crime you could have looked at Wiki which is a far cry from 1995

    As we are discussing the USA and you have all the statistics at your beck and call, could you also inform us of the percentage of Black unemployment vs. White unemployment; Could you tell me why there is a disparity in the penalties for Crack (a drug predominately used by Blacks) vs. the penalties for powdered Cocaine or Crystal Meth or Ecstasy (primarily used by Whites).

    The Wiki article attached has the following written in 1901: “There are no reliable statistics to which one can safely appeal to measure exactly the growth of crime among the emancipated slaves. About seventy per cent of all prisoners in the South are black; this, however, is in part explained by the fact that accused Negroes are still easily convicted and get long sentences, while whites still continue to escape the penalty of many crimes even among themselves…….

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States


  37. John give it up. For better or worse the case is in the hands of the prosecutors let them do the investigation which was so sadly lacking at the outset of the incident. None of your red herrings about 2 British tourists who were shot by a black thug (He didn’t escape justice did he?) or your outlandish theory about Trayvon being lost applies here.

    You made an interesting statement:
    “People walking about in the neighbourhoods I have lived in or visited are either jogging or walking a dog or moving between house and car …. and they do it briskly and it is clear they belong”.

    “It is clear that they belong” Precisely the same mindset that Zimmerman had when he saw Trayvon It was clear to Zimmerman that he didn’t belong. Why didn’t you also reproduce the part of the conversation when Zimmerman said words to the effect that “they always get away”.

    Where do you belong John?


  38. Checkit-Out | May 7, 2012 at 11:41 PM |
    John;

    Your last post makes a lot of sense.

    Wonder if Zimmerman went up to him and asked him if he was lost and offered to help him find where he was going?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Any explanation is possible in the absence of facts.


  39. John; Your last post also makes sense and, with the earlier one, explains why it is possible that racial profiling alone might not have been the primary reason for the killing. But there are too many other factors that suggest that Zimmerman was a loose cannon with a loose cannon and that there were no overarching extenuating circumtances that can excuse his killing Trayvon Martin.


  40. In the absence of eyewitness evidence, as to what actually transpired that night; we are left with whatever ‘forensic’ evidence there is, that will either support or deny GZ story; ALL else is pure conjecture, either way.

    Martin: So far, what has been gleaned from his Post-Mortem, suggest that there was no scratches or bruising on Martin’s body.

    Zimmerman: Likewise, what has been gleaned, not from the Prosecutor, is, that the Cop who was at the scene immediately after the shooting, said that GZ was bleeding from the nose, and the back of his head; if this is supported by further evidence, such as any photos, which were in fact aired on a major TV network, with blood streaming down the back of his head, AFTER the initial Media hype, which showed GZ looking like a criminal ( in orange garb) and Martiin, a photo of him as a ‘boy’ NOT the 17 year old, 6′ 1″ teenager as he was that night, then, the evidence of physical injuries to GZ head, and nose, would be very supportive of his version of what transpired, ALL else is nothing but conjecture.

    All of the other supposed versions of what MIGHT have happened, is pure unsubstantiated hot air, coming from a very biased, RACIAL perspective, ( Blacks) only EVIDENCE, eyewitness, and/or forensic, in Law is what the Court, will be looking at, and any clear-minded Jury, as well.

    The Structure, of ‘Justification’ in any propositional Truth Claim, ( as given by GZ) is COHERENCE, as coherence IS our sole criteria for TRUTH.

    The Law of Non-Contradiction in Logic, which is absolute truth.

    Truth by definition is absolute; AND two competing Truth Claims, (I.e., the Black apologist vs GZ account) CANNOT be both right at the same time and place, they can BOTH be wrong, but they CANNOT be both right!

    Therefore, only forensic evidence, coherently presented, will beyond a reasonable doubt, settle this case; NOT Colour, or any racial diatribe; either way!


  41. The media published the photos it has, when this issue blew up due to the tenacity of Martin’s parents could Zimmerman be located? The media has access to mug shots and frequently publish them just like they do of every celebrity or public figure who runs afoul of the law. They couldn’t locate one of Zimmerman in his Sunday clothes so a prison jump suit sufficed (from of his assault of the policeman).

    So what about 6 ft black teenagers that your sources find threatening? Is it your premise that if a picture of a 6 ft black teenager was published then the rest of society would conclude that he looks like a thug and deserves to be disposed of?

    Media bias in the 21st century, did you just arrive from a distant planet?


  42. Google Earth is also worthwhile in demonstrating how completely absent from the gated comunity and its environs are pedestrians.

    Put Twin Lakes, Sanford, Florida in the address bar and look at the gated community. I see no pedestrians whatsoever.

    Look for Times Square, New York and you will see that the satellite imagery can pick up pedestrians.

    Regardless of colour, a pedestrian would stand out like a sore thumb in that gated community and would not belong in the landscape.

    Plus, at night, it may be difficult to see the colour of a person’s skin, only the fact that he may not belong walking in the area.


  43. If hindsight was twenty twenty even george would have to admit that he would have made other decision which would not have lead him down a path of confortation


  44. Let’s say Mr. Zimmerman could only know the colour of Trayvon Martin if Trayvon Martin turned and showed him his face.

    He actually has been instructed implicitly by 911 to ascertain the race of the Trayvon Martin. He can only do this by seeing Trayvon Martin’s face or getting close enough to see his hands.

    Maybe 911 screwed up by implicitly telling Mr. Zimmerman to get closer.

    Having done so Trayvon Martin turns because he is treatened.

    At that point all the instructions not to pursue are a waste.

    The die has been cast.

    Confrontation is now inevitable.

    If there is any racial profiling present it has to be from the 911 operator …. but until the operator tells Mr. Zimmerman what to do based on race, the operator has not actually taken a position and has not implicated law enforcement in racial profiling.

    I suspect 911 will be reviewing its procedures.


  45. @ Check-it-out, says:

    ” But there are too many other factors that suggest that Zimmerman was a loose cannon with a loose cannon and that there were no overarching extenuating circumtances that can excuse his killing Trayvon Martin.”

    If, the bloody nose, and photographed ‘bleeding, back of Zimmermen’s head, IS varified and authenticated IN Court as valid forensic evidence, how can you then say, “…and that there were NO overarching extenuating CIRCUMSTANCES that can excuse his killing Trayvon Martin.”

    If, as GZ has being reported to have said, that Martin Jumped him FIRST, broke his nose, pushed him down on the ground, with his head being bruised, with Martin on top of him, HOW in the name of logical reasoning, could GZ have known at that point in time, that Martin did NOT have a knife, or Gun, in his pocket, OR, what else Martin was going to DO, had GZ not taken his Gun out at that POINT, to DEFEND himself?

    Given the forensic evidence thus far gleaned, it IS illogical, nonsense, to say “…that there were NO overarching extenuating CIRCUMSTANCES that can excuse his killing Trayvon Martin.” Emphasis added.

    In short, there IS NO coherence, based on the gleaned info thus far known, in YOUR scenario; but such IS the ‘racial’ bias, coming from your camp!


  46. the long and short of the story george zimmerman overreacted based on racial profiling and 2. georgezimmerman did not follow the operators advice all of which were major contributors to the death of Trayvon


  47. Richard Hoad post about Travon Martin proves that he is an old melanin recessive mutated parasite .


  48. This is a classic case where peeps believe they know what happened BUT the truth is…… NONE of us do!

    The critical problem is that the Sanford PD did not make it clear that they were conducting a thorough, professional investigation. This PD has a somewhat checkered history in such racially charged matters, as is very likely true in the South, especially.

    Whether the media purposely decided to represent TM as an innocent looking kid and GZ as a thug is debatable BUT that was the effect of the first impression that most people received.

    Zoe’s statistical quotes may well be right and much of the crime is based in the illicit drug situation in the Ghetto. Therefore the pressing issue is how to solve the problem?

    1 make all drugs legal, therefore causing price collapse and turning illicit drugs from a massive cost into a good revenue generator. Those who use drugs would probably be Addicted no matter what…..they have the GENE that makes peeps addicts.

    2 Take the additional revenue and properly educate kids in the Ghetto.

    3 Develop several policies designed to lift people out of poverty

    4 insist that abled bodied people MUST be working towards a program of success OR cut off $$$$ in assistance. Naturally trade and other policies must be addressed.


  49. This is about HAARP.
    OK so I may be ignorant,but to me it is all new,but I beleive most are like me.
    Read it the imports of it; amazingly disturbing.
    Think about Al Gore and his World crusade about global warming.
    Whereas it appears to me USofA KNEW what was hppening and why and that THEY were responsible.
    Let me know your responses.

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