Racism Will Always Be With Us

Here is Tiger Woods former caddie Steve Williams reported to have directed a comment at Tiger Woods which can only be labelled as a racist remark. Many may feel that Tiger deserves it because he has never been one to present himself as the poster boy for Black causes. To think Williams owes Tiger for all the money he has made over the years.

It does not matter how we try to suppress the feeling,  how many Whites feel about Blacks always rises to the surface, especially when under the influence of alcohol.

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  1. YES! Racism is very much alive today. I know because I have been fighting it for almost 11 years now in the UK. This is heading straight to the law courts & I trust that God will guide the tongues of those who stand up against racism & allow this fight to be a successful one.

    These people have no qualms about taking a black person’s money, but they sure have a problem with the color of our skin.
    They have no reservations when a black person help them make money, but yet they have a problem with our skin color.

    We as ethnic people have ourselves to blame more so than the sorry Asses we call racist. We as black people are our own enemies. We join with other races to fight against our own.
    It is disgusting that this man should make racist comments about Tiger Woods, but sad to say Tiger brought it on himself. Have you ever noticed that he married a white woman & all of the woman who he had extra marital affairs with were white (most blond haired, blue eyed).
    I rest my case.
    Blessings.


  2. It must be said that Tiger is NOT black for obvious scientific reasons, his mother is 100% Thai and so he is 50% Thai and since his Dad was obviously mixed approximately 50:50 African: Caucasian the Tiger must be considered Thai!

    His Dad was obviously a clever,loving gentleman who ensured his son would be successful by discipline which MR W probably learned in the Military.

    I have not heard what was said but certainly understand it was racist by all accounts. Humans love to fragment into Belonging Groups. Take London, as an example, white people would gladly fight for their beloved Arsenal football team in a brawl with their adversaries from Tottenham from a few hundred metres away, even though their cousins may be among the opposing fans. Same is true for black people in Jamaica who live in the garrison communities and kill each other over politics at election time. WHY?

    People are irrational and race is the most obvious way to discriminate!
    I am white and my wife is Chinese and when her father was told she intended to marry me he threatened to kill her! He had never met me!
    Pure racism!

    There is no easy answer to racism but in my opinion the best attitude is to conduct oneself in a non racist way and assume that the people you meet will appreciate you for who you are and not make any assumptions due to one’s class, colour or creed. Surely we must never forget that some people are just plain racist and we must always be ready to deal with them as necessary.


  3. When we joined others some years ago ,quite rightly ,in turning our backs on the racist South African regime, we extended open arms ,especially to the cricketing world of New Zealand and Australia, who operated less overtly than South Africa. As the saying goes, the chickens ,or Kiwis, are coming home to roost.


    • @Moneybrain

      Forget the scientific definition.

      Tiger looks Black and he is considered to be Black by most.

      The comment by Williams that he would shove something up his Black ars**** rams home the point.


  4. @Moneybrain

    So Williams should have said “I wanted to ram something up his Thai/Asian/Caucasian/Black/Native Arse?” ( for the record Tiger has said he considers himself Cablinasian and he also has North American Native ancestry through his father).

    As you live in Canada why don’t you read Lawrence Hill’s “Black Berry Sweet Juice”, I think he has a chapter along the lines Black + White=Black; Black + White is never White.

    So for all intents and purposes Tiger Woods is Black, just like Barack.


  5. DO you know that Racism was “never always with us” and only started at a certain point in history ???

    SO what dogmatic crap statement are you making in respect of Racism that it “will always be with us” ??

    DO you know that this is the worse article I never read ?


  6. Dawn Rollins wrote “he married a white woman & all of the woman who he had extra marital affairs with were white”

    It is quite simple.
    White women (European and North American) are more sexually liberated.
    Nuh lotta drama to get them to gih yuh some.


  7. David. Greetings. I am one brother who is not going to get all riled up about Mr Williams comment about Tiger’s “black ass”. Why? Because in my opinion, Tiger has a very caucasian mindset and the way he perceive himself in that dominant group.His lifestyle is a indicator of that perception. Maybe , comments like those, will wake him up from his slumber of post-racial and race – neutral american society.


  8. @40 acres

    Greetings!

    What you wrote is probably true but it does not remove the notion that Steve William’s comment is racist and probably reflects the thinking of his ilk.


  9. Stupse…..I am sooo tired of people talking about other people’s racist comments when we black people are sooo racist among ourselves. The way I look at racism is that we all have some kind of prejudice in all of us. If someone don’t like me because I am black that is ok with me because at least I know where I stand with you. No one has to like my skin colour and if they have a problem with it “Dem can KISS my BIG BLACK ASS” I once called my sister a big black dog ( we called each other names like that) and someone overheard and was shocked. She told me that I should not call her a black dog, I asked her if it is ok to call her a white dog. To call Tiger Woods racist by the company he keeps is none of our business. If he wants to marry white it is his choice not ours. And Hants stop stereotyping white women, you getting on as if Black women aint easy to give it up. Dem got nuff dat giving it up for a car ride so you tawking bare shoite.


  10. Having read the “alleged” remarks attributed to Steve Williams to my thinking they appear racist in intent. He could easily have said, stuff it up his arse, but the black reference was made for a reason.

    It is very easy to raise the spectre of racism in many situations when it is not warranted. However, in my experience having lived in a few countries in Europe over many years, the most racist of people never say anything in your presence that could be considered racist, because they are always “concious” of who you are.

    Racism often raises its head when you are not there, in secret conversations and actions that you are not expected to hear or know about. It is then away from non prying eys or ears true racism rears its head…that is the really dangerous kind.

    Then there are others who are not your close friends, with whom you might never have had a conversation with, but then in a tight situation would support you to the death. In life you often never really know for sure, so broad brush statements are often without foundation.


  11. David ……you are living in la la land. There are black people who don’t want to associate with other black people because they are a shade darker than they are. When black men only would marry high brown when they can’t get white, when those who don’t want nappy head children. Then there are those who will promote a high brown person first and leave out a dark skinned brother. Who are we fooling? When a friend of mine told me this story. She was at the supermarket shopping and stopped in front of the poultry chiller to choose her chicken. She felt someone tapping on her back so she stopped and looked around. There was this old black women behind her who asked her to step aside and let the white women behind her choose her chicken first.. My friend asked her where did she come from and it it 2011 along with a few choice words. The white lady told my friend not to mind the old lady. There are still many who still think this way and if that isn’t racism then what is it?


  12. If you have the time, and I suggest that everyone should take it, watch the movie NY NAME IS KHAN. A grand Bollywood production that certainly has within the story so many lessons to be learned by so many. And by the way I can safely say WORLD… I AM NOT A RACIST. I AM A FOOD TERRORIST, however. *see the movie*

    My only comment is this: EARTH I LOVE YOU. We, like nature in all its glory, are one people….just different beautiful colours. And we were painted by the highest most creative artist in the Universe. How boring it would be if we were not. Bless.


  13. islandgal246 | November 5, 2011 at 6:58 PM |
    I arranged to have my newspaper delivered by a man that delivered papers in the neighborhood. After a few weeks, I noticed that he would get out of his vehicle, walk up to my White neighbor’s house, around the corner from me, and deliver the paper, then drive around to my house, sit in his vehicle and blow the horn. I simply told him that we decided to make other arrangements.


  14. I never recognized the typically racist definition of black, probably because I wanted to identify with Mohamed Ali and Garry Sobers, who were my childhood idols. At school most of my friends were certainly not white!

    @Sarge
    Trust me, I know the race situation very well, I spent my youth arguing with a somewhat racist mother.

    SHADISM is common among black and Indians. At school dark kids would always tease some fella called Black Shadows, Black Pearl etc and Indians have done the same thing to really dark Indians Darks, Blacks etc White people call a really white fella papsy, spoggy, etc

    Islandgirl makes some very sound points. In Toronto, I have witnessed white referees in Baskeball games make calls that favoured darker teams to the point that it was very obvious. Weird but true.

    The real problem is that some people always look to divide, cause trouble etc.


    • @Moneybrain

      The scenario here is simple, a man who worked for a Black man for 12 years seemed joyous in expressing what he would like to do to his former boss’ Black ass.


  15. islandgal246 wrote “And Hants stop stereotyping white women, you getting on as if Black women aint easy to give it up.”

    islandgal246 that has been my considerable personal experience. Fuh true.


  16. Islandgal is correct we all have our prejudices. Whether it be religion, politics, tribe, language, race, nationality etc. These social construction can be very destructive when internalized and allow to reign free by certain groups in the society. I don’t support the homosexual agenda , therefore I am prejudiced in that respect toward homosexuals.

    Black folks, especially we in the diaspora, have our own issues of color prejudices and self-hatred to sort out. Some of us kill each other for mere spoils and crumbs with impunity. Some of us try in vain to modify our phenotypical traits. And when that don’t work we try very hard to mate with other people with those trait. From a psycho-analytic perspective we are a messed up bunch of people.

    You know what I find crazy about this issue of Tiger Woods and his former caddy ? I find it ridiculous and repugnant that a person can become a multi-millionaire by walking around with a golf bag. What next? a millionaire dog walker.


  17. There is Racism and there is “Learned Behaviour. The latter is which blacks not all frequently used on each other. This behaviour has it roots in slavery and some blacks have been unable to rid themselves of it


  18. @Sargeant ”As you live in Canada why don’t you read Lawrence Hill’s “Black Berry Sweet Juice”, I think he has a chapter along the lines Black + White=Black; Black + White is never White. ”

    BINGO! Although you did not mention the ‘honorary white’ depending on how much money or position you have?

    By the way, we have a beautiful representative at Miss World show (dont usually pay much attention to these sorts of shows, as they usually have political and other motives, but only because she is so lovely I will be keen to see it.)

    It is tonight.


  19. Hants | November 5, 2011 at 3:11 PM |

    Dawn Rollins wrote “he married a white woman & all of the woman who he had extra marital affairs with were white”

    It is quite simple.
    White women (European and North American) are more sexually liberated.
    Nuh lotta drama to get them to gih yuh some.

    LOL….Montreal !!!


  20. It was quite refreshing to read comments from others & get their personal point of view regarding this subject. However, I believe that each & everyone of us are entitled to our own opinions, whether we agree or not. One thing I must say though, I did not like the abuse leveled towards others.
    Blessings.


  21. Mark Twain was quoted as calling Golf “A good walk spoiled”, but Steve Williams made so much money carrying Eldrick’s bag that he was able to start his own charitable foundation. Now that he and Tiger are on the outs he discovered that Tiger was Black and not “Cablinasian” (Tiger’s word). In fact Tiger was William’s best man when he got married ( must be a bitch for Stevie to go through the album, one wonders if he has used a scissors to remove photos of Tiger) but if he wanted a brown face at his nuptials he could have asked one of the local Maoris to do the honours.

    I don’t play Golf but I tend to watch if Tiger is playing; years ago when Nicklaus was in his prime there was a Black man who used to carry his bag but now there is big money to be made you can’t find a brother toting a bag on the course.

    Tiger despite his success and the money that he has generated for Golf in general and the purses of the other golfers is not popular among his peers and none of them have made any statement condemning Williams. In contrast Fuzzy Zoeller was roundly criticised when he quipped that Tiger (as defending Champion) was going to choose “fried chicken” for the Menu at the Champion’s dinner.

    Golfers change caddies all the time (Tiger fired his first caddie) and then selected Williams, now its Williams’ turn he doesn’t like it.


  22. @Sargeant

    “when Nicklaus was in his prime there was a Black man who used to carry his bag but now there is big money to be made you can’t find a brother toting a bag on the course.”
    ___________________________________________________________
    You’re right, of course, but the reasons are nothing to do with money, but more sociological and racial. The fact is that a white golfer with a black man toting his bag around the course conjurs-up an image that is uncomfortable for most people in the modern era. I would suggest that if such were still the case, many posters here would be the first to point out that such a practice would be racist. The shame is that, Tiger apart, as he was a child prodigy, many golfers get their start in the game through being caddies, black and white. So the decline in the number of black caddies has also regrettably coincided with the decline in the number of black professional golfers. Hopefully there will be a change as the children of black executives and successful black businesspersons are introduced to the game, as no doubt it is expensive. There’s no shortage of talent, just shortage of opportunities.
    Finally, I would say that Steve Williams himself has always been a bit of an “arsehole”, and that Tiger took the opportunity to benefit from Williams’ gamesmanship on many occasions. The comment was racist, and in my opinion excuses cannot be made for him just because he’s good at his job. He should never carry a bag for a professional again.


  23. @Peltdownman

    You’re right, of course, but the reasons are nothing to do with money, but more sociological and racial. The fact is that a white golfer with a black man toting his bag around the course conjurs-up an image that is uncomfortable for most people in the modern era.
    **************
    Sorry, can’t buy the sociological argument there are still thousands of Black caddies carrying white golfers’ bags but we don’t see them on TV. How many Black caddies would turn down the opportunity to work for a professional Golfer on the PGA tour? Do you think those caddies would give a hoot about the bystanders on the sidelines if they have the chance to earn a decent pay cheque?

    Steve Williams wasn’t the least bit embarrassed or humiliated when he carried Tiger’s bags, he was only interested in the money I suspect it would be the same for a Black caddy working for a white golfer.


  24. @Sarge
    Sorry Sarge, but you’ve missed the point. It’s not that black caddies do not want to carry for white professional golfers, it is because white golfers feel that it doesn’t look right to have a black person toting their bag along behind them. That is a social and racial matter, nothing to do with money. As for Steve Williams and Tiger, well the shoe was on the other foot, wasn’t it? Williams obviously still thinks that Tiger is beneath him.


  25. The Oxford English Dictionary defines racism as the “belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races” and the expression of such prejudice. By that definition, some of posts in this thread (eg about white women’s prediliction for extra marital affairs or the “Causcasian mindset”) are also racist. Racial stereotyping is wrong, no matter what the contaxt.


  26. It does not surprise me Tiger Wood former caddy Steve Williams has made some racist remarks against him.Those remarks have signalled the decline of Tiger Woods as a prominent golfer.
    Tiger Woods is one the most despised golfer on the international arena today.The white world that he wanted to live in has now come crashing down on him.He has lost his white blond wife,who took a substantial amount of his fortune with her.He has also lost his fame as the leading golfer in the world.Tiger Woods has fallen from grace and is now enduring the treatment that many prominent Black people such as O.J Simpson,Michael Jackson and few other encountered.
    I have no sympathy for Tiger Woods,neither O J Simpson,Michael Jackson and the other stupid Blacks who tasted success and rejected their Black heritage to embrace a white life.
    It is blatant to see that white people do not want us Blacks around them,but many stupid Blacks especially the successful ones always neglect their black heritage to adopt a white life.In the end it does not work out and when the whites had enough of them,they bring them down and let them know that they could use them and then dispose of them.We will never learn.
    Tiger Woods is a stupid Black man who is receiving the treatment he deserves.He thought that his riches & fame and the rejection of his Black heritage would have endear him to the white community It did not and the fool is now realising the stupidity of his ways.
    Tiger Woods has joined the ranks of O J Simpson & the others stupid Blacks who wanted to live a white life and was rejected.
    Herman Cain is next.


  27. “… in the eyes of Negroman [an elderly foreign visitor beaten to death on a beach in Barbados] is nothing but white trash”


  28. Sorry about what seems to be a duplicate post.

    Interestingly, BU’s filter seems to harvest out a particular surname.

    But hey, Negroman: The time might not be that far away where a Black Barbadian Hitler might be needed in Barbados.


  29. @ David

    It seems as if your nemesis has has managed to get around your filters with a new ID. Namely “Dave Idde” and “Boring Public . . . etc”.


    • @de hood

      Thanks we noticed.

      You like others in the BU family know that we have the patience of Job, we will continue to survive these puerile attempts to distract.


  30. @Peltdownman

    Sorry Sarge, but you’ve missed the point. It’s not that black caddies do not want to carry for white professional golfers, it is because white golfers feel that it doesn’t look right to have a black person toting their bag along behind them.
    ***************
    You are right I just don’t get it, so according to your analysis White golfers are so wracked with guilt at the thought of a Black caddy carrying their bags that to ensure that appearances look “right” they employ a White caddy.

    That way they ensure all the social mores are respected and all the racial niceties are observed. I hope that kind of thinking doesn’t catch on in the USA otherwise Black unemployment which is already high will reach astronomical levels.


  31. Now BU family members (especially negroman), stop all this talk about Caddie Steve Williams is a Racist!
    Tiger Woods have just declared his former employee as innocent of such false charges. According to Tiger, Willy does not have a racist iron in his caddie bag.
    What sayest thou, negroman? Should Tiger be lynched for his house slave mentality?


  32. @ Shanique Shonika Scantelbury-Smith-Williams | November:

    With a white name like yours it’s easy pickings for whitey to brainwash you into giving it up!


  33. “His Dad was obviously a clever,loving gentleman who ensured his son would be successful by discipline which MR W probably learned in the Military….”

    Why does it have to be the Military? Why not his decent God fearing parent?

    “have not heard what was said but certainly understand it was racist by all accounts. Humans love to fragment into Belonging Groups. Take London, as an example, white people would gladly fight for their beloved Arsenal football team in a brawl with their adversaries from Tottenham from a few hundred metres away, even though their cousins may be among the opposing fans. Same is true for black people in Jamaica who live in the garrison communities and kill each other over politics at election time. WHY?”

    There is something very smelly about you…very, very odorous; I think it must be those white-bone skeletons that you have hiding behind your pleasantries


  34. @BU.David: “You like others in the BU family know that we have the patience of Job, we will continue to survive these puerile attempts to distract.

    BU.David… I assume that you (and others) are of course aware that there is now an Industry which employs people to distract others on the Internet.

    Particularly on the Blogs…. ?


  35. @Franktalk
    What an aweful assumption on my part to say Mr Woods Snr learnt discipline in The Military…Why my God Moneybrain is obviously racist too with that leap of logic! FT I said probably based on the said gentleman himself talking in Military TERMS about how he trained the TIGER eg operational procedures. Just so you know I lived next door to a black family in Bim and I know that many black fathers are disciplinarians. Hope this makes you feel better!

    It isnt me that is odorous, if I wanted to stoop to a lower Bajan level, I woulda axe ya to check your top lip BUT I far too classy fa dat.

    The real problem with you is that you lack the ability to comprehend the point, which is that people of all races find reasons to fragment society and race is only one very obvious variable. Divide and conquer is what many are interested in accomplishing.


  36. @David

    Many may feel that Tiger deserves it because he has never been one to present himself as the poster boy for Black causes
    *********************
    Why should Tiger be the “poster boy” for Black causes? Are these Black causes in the USA or elsewhere? Are other Black sportsmen required to fulfill this role? Or is the position reserved for Tiger? I don’t hear people demanding this of Kobe; The Williams sisters; or even Derek Jeter ( I know you never heard of him the black athlete who is not recognized as a black athlete) .

    The list of Black athletes explicitly supporting Black causes is very short, here are a few that I can immediately recall: Paul Robeson; Jackie Robinson; John Carlos; Tommy Smith; Arthur Ashe and Jim Brown.

    As I said it’s a short list.


    • @Sargeaant

      Perhaps it has something to do with the unprecedented global brand which a Black Tiger Woods had.


  37. I have come to realise that people will criticize someone for their wealth and fame especially when it is someone black. The critics , some are bitter and envious and wish the person ill. Many of us here can never achieve what Tiger has achieved and if he wants to foop white women and marry them that is his business. So those of you who feel that he didn’t look at you as marriage material too bad.

    Hants it is very ignorant to say that it is your experience that white women are easy to give it up. YOU are fcuking living in a WHITE country where there are more White women than Black ones. I am sure there are White people here in Barbados saying the same thing about Black women being easy, because there are more of them than white women. So stop tawking shoite!


    • @islandgal

      You are probably correct but do not let us even begin to believe that we live a utopian way and racism does not exist.

      Don’t agree with you that blacks can be racist to others in its race, not by the definition out there anyway.


  38. @ Moneybrain

    “Just so you know I lived next door to a black family in Bim and I know that many black fathers are disciplinarians.”

    If I had a nickel fa every tyme I read/hear this kind of ‘disclaimer’ or more precisely this kind of ‘CLAIM’ to neutrality and ‘non- racist-me’ I would purchase a ticket to South Africa and complete my ‘PhD thesis on the Psychotic Nature of the Boers who, when children, are loved, garnished and cared for by blacks maids yet when grown abuse them and banish them to places like South Western Townships (SOWETO)


  39. @Franktalk
    What you are really saying is that there is really nothing that a white person can say that you cant interpret as racist, negative, bigoted etc.

    If I said “good morning” to you, then you would hear whitey being condescending.

    If I said “Hi there Bro” to you, then you would hear some white honky trying to be black.

    So regardless of what ever interaction we have you are going to be certain that this guy has a negative motive. Skepticism can be healthy BUT a really bad attitude will consume you NOT ME.

    I am fully aware that a few black people are VIRULENT RACISTS just like some from all races are. There are 2 points that I try to bare in mind with black racists
    1 the history of slavery certainly should have some psychological impact that is difficult for some to overcome and which is reinvigorated by the actions of white et al racists.
    2 I appreciate that they hate white guys like me who have the ability, experience etc to explain that racism is only the most obvious method of discrimination between humans and that humans have many such bad traits that lead to a fragmented society.

    I will refrain from mentioning that many virulent black racists have pretensions of leadership in the black community that are likely to depend on a overtly racist agenda.


  40. @ BU
    It does appear true that a very large number of black people in the halls of Fame and Fortune chooses whites as partners…it makes you wonder how many more would purchase their way into whites beds if they had the means. However I don’t think it is, necessarily, the money or fame that is conducive to the union but the acquired confidence that enable those ‘self-hating’ Niggas with inferiority complex to make the ‘approach’ or possibly due to the fact that such ‘fame n fortunate black persons are socialized away from the black joints by their ‘other than black’ agent and cooperate promoters.

    I can recall attending a Paul Robeson Memorial at a top UK Educational Institution (As a member of the Book-trade fraternity) to discover that I was the only person of African origin there. With all those European ‘top-notch’ there I felt that Paul’s history was, totally, removes from his roost and from us.

    To add a dose of asinine I will say that when the the Black Fame & Fortunates are ‘socialised’ in those white joints they can easily become targets for white gold-diggers but the most likely explanation is the WHITE JESUS CHRIST and VIRGIN MARY SYNDROME.


  41. @ FrankTalk | November 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM |
    “I can recall attending a Paul Robeson Memorial at a top UK Educational Institution (As a member of the Book-trade fraternity) to discover that I was the only person of African origin there”.
    Paul (Ol’ Man River show boat ) Robeson was a genius – a black god on earth. That is what white people saw. Blacks would have seen him as a god only if he was born in the image of the white Jesus Christ instead of a “Curly Headed Baby feeling like a “Motherless Child”.

    Paul Robeson, Nelson Mandella and Muhammad Ali can be described as the greatest black men to walk this planet in the last 100 years like ebony gods in their own right.


  42. I once called a ZR driver who was driving with total disregard for road safety an his passengers a “stupid black c&nt”.
    He called me racist.
    I replied “No I’m not. If you were white, you’d be a stupid WHITE c&nt”
    I was merely being descriptive.


  43. @ Negrocrat | November 9, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    I am waiting for you to describe the difference between a “white” one and a “black” one! 🙂


  44. @Bo Jackman: “I believe that the younger whites will have to shape up or ship out.

    But let us take a “leap of faith”, and think in a domain wherein a person’s skin colour (or hair colour or eye colour) doesn’t actually mean anything.

    “It’s easy if you try” – John Lennon


  45. @Bald Man With Disspiriting Braces: “I sure you a jew … Every time you post a message you are traceable down to the street and building you in. I WILL GET YOU.

    Yes, I am descended from Jews (on my Father’s side).

    Shall we met in Court? Or at the Garrison for a fist fight?

    Please note I have won in both arenas (usually the opponent doesn’t show up)….


  46. @ David

    Seems like you have a character straight from the “Looney Bin” to sort out rapidly (referring to last few posts). I sure wish you the best in so dealing with it.


  47. Christopher Halsall | November 9, 2011 at 7:48 PM |
    Just bear in mind that when dealing with scum the arithmetic is as follows:
    African brain = 33.3333%
    European brain =33.3333%
    Asian brain =33.3333%
    Human brain =100.000%
    It follows therefore that a racist brain = 0000.0000000 %
    Q.E.D!


  48. @MTA…

    I agree with you, but would present it slightly differently…

    AF.Brain = 100%.
    AS.Brain = 100%
    EU.Brain = 100%.
    NA.Brain = 100%
    SA.Brain = 100%.
    ALL.Brain = 100%.

    Racist.Brain = 0%.

    QED….


  49. Christopher Halsall | November 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM |
    Seems you do not entirely accept the principle that “the sum of the parts is greater than the whole”. You assume that there are no racist in each group.
    Seems that racists form a separate “racial’ grouping altogether. Maybe Zoe can explain if these are the creations of his god or the devil!


  50. @de hood wrote to Negrocrat “I am waiting for you to describe the difference between a “white” one and a “black” one!”

    I have the answer. The texture of the hair.


  51. @ millertheanunnaki
    “Paul (Ol’ Man River show boat ) Robeson was a genius – a black god on earth. That is what white people saw. Blacks would have seen him as a god only if he was born in the image of the white Jesus Christ instead of a “Curly Headed Baby feeling like a “Motherless Child””.

    My Dear friend … it was not for lack of interest (or ‘worship’ for that matter) it was due to the fact that those ‘invitations’ were controlled.

    @ ya

    “…Paul Robeson, Nelson Mandella and Muhammad Ali can be described as the greatest black men to walk this planet in the last 100 years like ebony gods in their own right.”

    I totally DISAGREE with you; Mohammed Ali for one was a man who suffered a tremendous racial inferiority complex – in my opinion. He has shown great disrespect to other black-men-boxers. He called most of his black opponents animal names: Sonny Liston a bear, Floyd Patterson, a rabbit, Ernie Terrell a cat and (the late) Joe Frazer a gorilla. and tried to humiliate them; yet he showed, comparably, greater respect for his white opponents.

    I saw him in the flesh on two occasion and I saw how he behaved in a social environment where there were only black people…he was like a fish out of water…just swimming around looking for the lightest-skinned woman and when he found two he pull on her hair and said come with me and she and her friend went.

    in my opinion all of Mohammed Ali’s ranting and raving about his greatness was a plea to the white man to recognise and validate him.

    Another time when we shared the same environment he was the same and appeared to have nothing but disdain for the many fans who were lauding him but when white people appeared on the scene he came alive and very effervescent and jovial.

    Nelson Mandela fell far short of the power he merited (through his struggle) and that which was accorded to him when came out of prison and into leadership. The people’s lands that were seized has still not been re-appropriated, the communities have broken-down, violence has increased anf the whites have been given a clean bill of health to do business in the respectable marketplace of the world instead of under the table where they were under the embargos…yes to the extent that they are all-over Africa now making boucou money with greater empowerment; so-far they appears to be the ones who benefited most


  52. @ FrankTalk | November 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM |

    And Paul Robeson? What about him?
    Let us know what you have on him?????
    Meanwhile I suppose you would consider Martin Luther King Jr an angel because of his Southern Baptist white Jesus upbringing? Just Asking!!
    I certainly consider Pele and Gary Sobers as Kings!


  53. @ Miller…

    I have said what I know of Brother Paul Robeson.

    All the people you have mentioned have made contributions to the progress of our world but I do NOT quantify them as gods and I certainly do not consider ‘white jesus’ a valuable quantity for anyone…black or white.


  54. @ Christopher Halsall

    “…But let us take a “leap of faith”, and think in a domain wherein a person’s skin colour (or hair colour or eye colour) doesn’t actually mean anything.

    “It’s easy if you try” – John Lennon”

    It will be all well and good if everybody try…but WILL everybody TRY??? and should we continue to fool ourselves with fantasy???


  55. @ FrankTalk | November 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM |

    I use the noun ‘god’ to define these great men in the same sense that the Oxford English Dictionary gives as one of its definitions of a god: “a greatly admired or influential person”. Trust this clarifies any misunderstanding that could have arisen in my admiration of these great persons. No intention whatsoever to grant any apotheosis status to mortal men!


  56. @ millertheanunnaki

    Point taken. Much respect.

    PS to answer your query about Paul Robeson…He was an exceptional Artist in every sense of the art, a great entertainer, a proud black-man, a Conscientious Civil Rights Activist and much, much more. There’s an account of him lodging in a prestigious America hotel (no doubt on account of his fame) where he came down one morning to sit and read his newspaper in the lounge which aroused the concern of the hotel manager who politely approached him and asked him to refrain from using the lounge as it might offend some of the white clientele. Mr. Robertson, it was, nodded politely in assent but made sure that he was there early each morning to get the most prominent position where he would be seen by all.


  57. As the one who first brought up Paul Robeson in this thread and as one who has tried to read every scrap of info about him I would like to add that Robeson was more than an entertainer. He was a scholar (valedictorian) at Rutgers and a College All American in Football. He became a Lawyer and also played professional football. He also acted on stage, many people only know him through his rendition of “Old Man River” from the stage production of Show Boat.

    One of his most important contributions and the one that is most overlooked is his dedication to Civil and Workers’ rights. I can go on but Wiki has a lengthy piece about him.

    After they made Robeson, they broke the mould it will be along time before we see his like again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson


  58. Ex-Cop Christopher Dorner Accuses LAPD Of Racism, Says Killing Spree Will Bring About “Substantial Change”
    While authorities continue their search for ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner, more about his motivation for shooting cops, and killing a couple has been revealed.

    According to his manifesto, the shooting spree was brought on by racism, and other injustices he witnessed while on the force.

    He wrote more than 10,000 words about the LAPD, asserting that they never took action against incidents of police brutality, and racism. Instead, Dorner claims to have had his name ruined by being wrongfully accused and fired, for speaking out.

    From Police Online:

    I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days.

    You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen.

    I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
    Throughout the manifesto, Dorner outlines several instances where he fought against the corruption within the LAPD, but was ignored. One account accuses an officer of using excessive force by kicking a suspect in the face and chest, actions of which resulted in no disciplinary action.

    Dorner also had a front-row seat to a co-worker using the n-word to describe a Black person, causing the former Navy reservist to choke the officer.

    Fully aware that his story may be distorted and disputed, Dorner encouraged the media to look into the aforementioned incidents, and his past. “Journalist[s], I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won’t, because it doesn’t exist,” he wrote.

    “I want all journalist[s] to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name.”

    Read more at http://hiphopwired.com/2013/02/08/ex-cop-christopher-dorner-accuses-lapd-of-racism-says-killing-spree-will-bring-about-substantial-change/#wL3dESghScFV5Lkf.99


  59. The latest news is that the cabin has been attacked by police and burnt to the ground,without any sign of anyone escaping.

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