9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out Video

Submitted by Green Monkey

Professional Engineers, civil Engineers, structural Engineers,  mechanical engineers,  fire protection engineers,  chemical engineers, a metallurgical engineer, an electrical engineer,  an ex-military combat engineer, architects, ex-firefighters, scientists (inlcuding mathementaticians, chemists and physicists) explain why the National Institute of Sceince and Technology (NIST) explanation for the destruction of the 3 WTC towers on 9/11 solely as the result of the collision of the hijacked airliners and resulting office fires or, in the case of WTC 7, just office fires alone, is a coverup.

These enigneers, scientists and academics believe that sinces the bulk of the evidence from the WTC site was shipped out before it was subject to a forensic examination; since NIST ignored multiple reports by first responders, news reporters and others witnesses of explosions and flashes of light at the time of (or just prior to) the collapses;  since NIST did not follow established procedure as laid out in regulations to test for incendiaries at sites of building destructions where molten steel or molten concrete is found ( both were found at the WTC after 9/11); since NIST ignored the evidence of the minute iron spheres in the WTC dust (evidence of much higher temperatures than can be caused by office fires or burning jet fuel); and since NIST final explanations  of the way the buildings fell are clearly  in contravention of some very fundamental laws of physics, their investigaion is invalid.  They believe the NIST reports must be rejected and a new investigation, independent of government,  completed which will look at all the available evidence and take into full account the laws of physics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ (2hr 15min)

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  1. Schuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupse! This one is right up there with the “grassy knoll” and “area 51” theories. Better suited for “Coast to Coast” with Art Bell than on a forum where there just may be intelligent life.


    • @Chris

      Even if we agree there is no conspiracy theory, why the haste to export the WTC7 steel to China for melting?

      Wouldn’t the government want its scientist to investigate?

      What about the appearance of transparency?


  2. Love the five minute video…! Ha ha haaaaa…….!
    Never has been any doubt in my mind what went on there…from the moment the news came on… I watched every second for hours and hours…still had that same gut feeling…Conspiracy? NEVAH! AH! AH!…
    Life is like a box of chocolates – you nevah know what you are going to get!!!


  3. A NY Times newspaper columnist by the name of Sydney Schanberg -while musing over the way the Johson Administration and the Pentagon had used the fake Gulf of Tonkin incident to lead US politicians and the US public by the nose into the deadly and costly (but immensely profitable to the MIC) Vietnam morass ….. er, I mean Vietnam war – wrote: “We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe the government is telling us the truth.”

    A good precept to keep in mind perhaps as we consider a world changing event like 9/11.

    30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
    Media Beat (7/27/94)

    By Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon

    Thirty years ago, it all seemed very clear.

    “American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression”, announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

    That same day, the front page of the New York Times reported: “President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and ‘certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam’ after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin.”

    But there was no “second attack” by North Vietnam — no “renewed attacks against American destroyers.” By reporting official claims as absolute truths, American journalism opened the floodgates for the bloody Vietnam War.

    A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media…leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

    The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an “unprovoked attack” against a U.S. destroyer on “routine patrol” in the Tonkin Gulf on Aug. 2 — and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up with a “deliberate attack” on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.

    The truth was very different.

    snip

    An exhaustive new book, The War Within: America’s Battle Over Vietnam, begins with a dramatic account of the Tonkin Gulf incidents. In an interview, author Tom Wells told us that American media “described the air strikes that Johnson launched in response as merely `tit for tat’ — when in reality they reflected plans the administration had already drawn up for gradually increasing its overt military pressure against the North.”

    Why such inaccurate news coverage? Wells points to the media’s “almost exclusive reliance on U.S. government officials as sources of information” — as well as “reluctance to question official pronouncements on ‘national security issues.'”

    Daniel Hallin’s classic book The “Uncensored War” observes that journalists had “a great deal of information available which contradicted the official account [of Tonkin Gulf events]; it simply wasn’t used. The day before the first incident, Hanoi had protested the attacks on its territory by Laotian aircraft and South Vietnamese gunboats.”

    What’s more, “It was generally known…that `covert’ operations against North Vietnam, carried out by South Vietnamese forces with U.S. support and direction, had been going on for some time.”

    In the absence of independent journalism, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution — the closest thing there ever was to a declaration of war against North Vietnam — sailed through Congress on Aug. 7. (Two courageous senators, Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska, provided the only “no” votes.) The resolution authorized the president “to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression.”

    The rest is tragic history.

    Nearly three decades later, during the Gulf War, columnist Sydney Schanberg warned journalists not to forget “our unquestioning chorus of agreeability when Lyndon Johnson bamboozled us with his fabrication of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.”

    Schanberg blamed not only the press but also “the apparent amnesia of the wider American public.”

    And he added: “We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth.”

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261


    • The question is whether the US media has been manipulated to whip up fear as a result of 9/11.

      This week on Listening Post: The ongoing narrative of fear in the US media. Plus, publisher Hameed Haroon on Pakistan and the dangers of reporting the country.
      Last week we looked at the performance of the US news media in decade following the 9/11 attacks. A big part of that story was the role the media played in creating a climate of fear in the US. This week we go a step further and look at the phenomenon of Islamophobia in the media – the people behind it, the organisations paying for it and the news outlets pedalling it.
      The Centre for American Progress recently published a study it called ‘Fear Incorporated’. It looked at the voices pushing the anti-Islam agenda in the media one sound bite at a time. Then it looked at how those voices were getting on the air and staying there by following the money trail. It turns out $42 million can buy a lot of airtime.
      Link to article


  4. @david what is the point of your question to Chris? I mean afterall it is all about making money? Maybe the profits gained was worth more than having to spend thousands of dollars to scientist for an investigation.


    • @ac

      A building collapses which is built to withstand 140 miles and hour wind and an747 aircraft collision and you don’t care no investigation was done?

      How else can man learn and improve?


  5. Another good video documentary to watch is “Press for Truth”.

    It is a documentary about the no holds barred struggle that some of the 9/11 victims families had to undergo with the Bush Administration to get a public inquiry into 9/11. Bush and Cheney were adamantly opposed to holding such an inquiry until they were shamed into it by some of the 9/11 widows known as the “Jersey Girls” who refused to back down and kept pressing in media appearances and at protests for an official inquiry to be called.

    The victims’ families were allowed to form a steering committe for the 9./11 Commission of Inquiry to formulate some questions and raise areas of concern they hoped the Commission would examine and address in the Commission’s final report. They said after the final report came out that 70% of this steering committe’s questions were either not addressed in a satisfactory manner or not addressed at all. One of the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission Tom Kean later said the Commission had been “set up to fail.”

    The video also documents some of the glaring inconsistencies between the Bush Administration’s initial claims of being completely blind sided by the 9/11 attacks and what later became known of the extent of the foreknowledge of upcoming attacks, the planned use of hijacked planes as weapons, and that the WTC would be a prime target for these attacks that existed in the administration and US government intelligence agencies.

    Watch Bush’s reaction in the video at around the 43/44 minute mark when a reporter asks him in a press conference for a response to Democratic Presidential candidate Howard Dean musing aloud that he (Bush) had foreknowledge of the attacks.


  6. @David.
    as far as i know there were several investigations. However as with human nature we like to chery pick and form our own conclusions. No mater how many experts or advisors or scientist the Government provides. the facts would never be sufficient for :The conspiracytheorist..”.
    that they had tested Learning and having an outright conclusion doesn’t always work. The arcihitect of the towers can attest to the fact as he said recently in an interview that every forseen possibility was tested except that of tw0 747 ramming into the towers at such maiximum speed. The only conspiracy proven here are those who have a vested interest in selling books and videos.

    except that of two 747 ramming into the building at maximun speed . The only conspiractors are those who have a vested interset in selling books and vidoes to a gullable public.

    that could have brought down the towers except that of two boeing 747 ramming into the towers at such a tremendous speed .Everybody knows
    who the prepetrators of the 911 are expect those who having a vested interset in selling videos and books.

    those who are unwilling to believe it and that too goes back to books .Now you see who are the “True Conspirators”


  7. Knowing the violent treacherous history of the United States of America, recognizing of course that there is great money to be made by having a war without end (Colin Powel in 1991 said after the Russians decided to drop the socialist ideal that the United States were quickly running out of villains to fight), there was, is and forever will be absolutely no doubt in my mind as to who is behind this thing.

    For me though the greater issue is the knowledge that there was not even a need for a marginally sophisticated story line to attract the sympathies of most of the Barbadian public … What shights these people are .. including Chris Hassoul and AdriAss Hinds!


  8. Jimmy Bishop | September 17, 2011 at 5:48 PM |
    wrote:
    Schuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupse! This one is right up there with the “grassy knoll” and “area 51″ theories. Better suited for “Coast to Coast” with Art Bell than on a forum where there just may be intelligent life

    Don’t know about you Jimmy, but I would call 1500 architects and engineers intelligent life: http://ae911truth.org

    Also many of the life forms found here: http://patriotsquestion911.com seem to be quite intelligent; e.g. (just a couple of examples):

    Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University. •Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

    “Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise—including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots—have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

    They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

    Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

    We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now—not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books—so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

    We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media.”

    •Video 9/11/04: “A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

    Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

    I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder.”

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures. Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis. Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career

    Statement to this website 3/25/07: “After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.

    The “collapse” of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein’s video taped confession in which he states “they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse.” [Editor’s note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission’s “full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.” Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

    We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

    We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”


  9. Pro-Al Qaeda brigades control Qaddafi Tripoli strongholds seized by rebels

    DEBKAfile Exclusive Report August 28, 2011, 11:47 AM (GMT+02:00) Tags:

    ” Members of the Al Qaeda-linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group – LIFG, are in control of the former strongholds of Muammar Qaddafi captured by Libyan rebels last Sunday, Aug. 21, debkafile reports from sources in Libya. They are fighting under the command of Abd Al-Hakim Belhadj, an al Qaeda veteran from Afghanistan whom the CIA captured in Malaysia in 2003 and extradited six years later to Libya where Qaddafi held him in prison.

    Belhadj is on record as rejecting any political form of coexistence with the Crusaders excepting jihad.

    His brigades were the principal rebel force in the operation for the capture of Qaddafi’s Bab al-Aziziya ruling compound on Aug. 23. Saturday, Aug. 27, those brigades overran the Abu Salim district of southern Tripoli taking it from the last pro-Qaddafi holdouts in the city. Many of the prisoners released from the local jail belonged to al Qaeda.
    The LIFG chief now styles himself “Commander of the Tripoli Military Council.” Asked by our sources whether they plan to hand control of the Libyan capital to the National Transitional Council, which has been recognized in the West, the jihadi fighters made a gesture of dismissal without answering.

    According to US and British media, at least half of the members of the NTC have moved from Benghazi to Tripoli, the key condition for the receipt of Qaddafi’s frozen assets and international aid. But there is no confirmation from our sources that this has happened. Tripoli is rife with disorder, awash with weapons and prey to reciprocal allegations of atrocities. Our sources doubt that the council will be able to assert control of – or even a presence in – Tripoli any time soon. US intelligence sources in Tripoli see no sign that the NTC will be able to persuade the Islamist brigades to relinquish control of the city in the near future – or even lay down arms.”

    THE WEST IS SUPPORTING AL QAEDA TERRORIST IN LIBYA. I THOUGHT AL QAEDA WAS THE ENEMY OF THE WEST.


  10. taseti wrote:
    I THOUGHT AL QAEDA WAS THE ENEMY OF THE WEST.

    More like sometimes a friend, sometimes an enemy as circumstances dictate. See this:

    Al Qaeda and the “War on Terrorism”
    by Michel Chossudovsky

    Introduction

    One of the main objectives of war propaganda is to “fabricate an enemy”. The “outside enemy” personified by Osama bin Laden is “threatening America”.

    Pre-emptive war directed against “Islamic terrorists” is required to defend the Homeland. Realities are turned upside down. America is under attack.

    In the wake of 9/11, the creation of this “outside enemy” has served to obfuscate the real economic and strategic objectives behind the war in the Middle East and Central Asia. Waged on the grounds of self-defense, the pre-emptive war is upheld as a “just war” with a humanitarian mandate.

    As anti-war sentiment grows and the political legitimacy the Bush Administration falters, doubts regarding the existence of this illusive “outside enemy” must be dispelled.

    Counter-terrorism and war propaganda are intertwined. The propaganda apparatus feeds disinformation into the news chain. The terror warnings must appear to be “genuine”. The objective is to present the terror groups as “enemies of America.”

    Ironically, Al Qaeda –the “outside enemy of America” as well as the alleged architect of the 9/11 attacks– is a creation of the CIA.

    From the outset of the Soviet-Afghan war in the early 1980s, the US intelligence apparatus has supported the formation of the “Islamic brigades”. Propaganda purports to erase the history of Al Qaeda, drown the truth and “kill the evidence” on how this “outside enemy” was fabricated and transformed into “Enemy Number One”.

    The US intelligence apparatus has created it own terrorist organizations. And at the same time, it creates its own terrorist warnings concerning the terrorist organizations which it has itself created. Meanwhile, a cohesive multibillion dollar counterterrorism program “to go after” these terrorist organizations has been put in place.

    Portrayed in stylized fashion by the Western media, Osama bin Laden, supported by his various henchmen, constitutes America’s post-Cold war bogeyman, who “threatens Western democracy”. The alleged threat of “Islamic terrorists”, permeates the entire US national security doctrine. Its purpose is to justify wars of aggression in the Middle East, while establishing within America, the contours of the Homeland Security State.

    SNIP

    Erasing the History of Al Qaeda

    Since September 2001, this history of Al Qaeda has largely been erased. The links of successive US administrations to the “Islamic terror network” is rarely mentioned.

    A major war in the Middle East and Central Asia, supposedly “against international terrorism” was launched in October 2001 by a government which had been harboring international terrorism as part of its foreign policy agenda. In other words, the main justification for waging war on Afghanistan and Iraq has been totally fabricated. The American people have been deliberately and consciously misled by their government.

    This decision to mislead the American people was taken on September 11, 2001 barely a few hours after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre. Without supporting evidence, Osama had already been tagged as the “prime suspect”. Two days later on Thursday the 13th of September — while the FBI investigation had barely commenced — President Bush pledged to “lead the world to victory”.

    While the CIA tacitly acknowledges that Al Qaeda was an “intelligence asset” during the Cold War, the relationship is said to “go way back” to a bygone era.

    Most post-September 11 news reports tend to consider that these Al Qaeda -CIA links belong to the “bygone era” of the Soviet-Afghan war. They are invariably viewed as irrelevant to an understanding of 9/11 and the “Global War on Terrorism”. Yet barely a few months before 9/11, there was evidence of active collaboration between members of the US military and Al Qaeda operatives in the civil war in Macedonia. (my emphasis /GM))

    More at:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7718


  11. re: 9/11/01
    ‘official government secret’
    ‘national interest’
    rules may be applicable
    2011 running body count
    nyc=3,000,
    iraq & afghanistan=100,000


  12. Give it a rest Green Monkey.

    Anyone who still believes the official story on 911 deserves to continue along that line….

    By Independence day this year, events will be such that they will be begging you to explain what is going on…..


    • Now that we are into conspiracy theories does anyone remember that one week after 9/11 there was the Anthrax incident?


  13. @David

    That Anthrax incident surely falls under the rubric of a false flag attack. I.e. one country, country A, attacks itself (or its own ally, lets say country B) in an underhanded or devious manner while under the guise of being another party altogether. Lets call this party allegedly perpetrating this “dastardly” attack as country C, The idea of course is to raise the anger, blood lust and the desire to seek revenge in the population of country A (and/or country B) against country C and thereby enhance public support for war in country A (and possibly B) against country C.

    In the case of the mailout of the envelopes containing the anthrax spores in Oct 2011 to media figures and to two US senators within a month or so of 9/11.2001, the envelopes contained letters which were designed to appear as coming from Muslim terrorists. The letters said such things as, “Death to Israel; Death to America; Allah is great” etc. The “anthrax attack” was immediately latched onto by politicians and media commentators as further evidence of the Muslim terrorists perfidy and underhanded, back stabbing ways. (N.B. this was while the Bush/Cheney junta was eagerly casting about for any justification to invade Iraq). John McCain and some media commentators alleged the anthrax came from one of Saddam Hussein’s supposed secret WMD labs. Conveniently, the White House staff along with Bush and Cheney had started taking the antibiotic Cipro, which is the standard antidote used against anthrax, following the 9/11 attacks.

    It was admitted eventually that the anthrax came from a highly secure US military lab rather than from Saddam’s non-existent WMD labs or from any imaginary Al-Qaeda terrorists’ underground labs in Afghan caves. Salon commentator Glenn Greenwald wrote:

    The 2001 anthrax attacks remain one of the great mysteries of the post-9/11 era. After 9/11 itself, the anthrax attacks were probably the most consequential event of the Bush presidency. One could make a persuasive case that they were actually more consequential. The 9/11 attacks were obviously traumatic for the country, but in the absence of the anthrax attacks, 9/11 could easily have been perceived as a single, isolated event. It was really the anthrax letters — with the first one sent on September 18, just one week after 9/11 — that severely ratcheted up the fear levels and created the climate that would dominate in this country for the next several years after. It was anthrax — sent directly into the heart of the country’s elite political and media institutions, to then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD), Sen. Pat Leahy (D-Vt), NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw, and other leading media outlets — that created the impression that social order itself was genuinely threatened by Islamic radicalism.

    snip

    During the last week of October, 2001, ABC News, led by Brian Ross, continuously trumpeted the claim as their top news story that government tests conducted on the anthrax — tests conducted at Ft. Detrick — revealed that the anthrax sent to Daschele contained the chemical additive known as bentonite. ABC News, including Peter Jennings, repeatedly claimed that the presence of bentonite in the anthrax was compelling evidence that Iraq was responsible for the attacks, since — as ABC variously claimed — bentonite “is a trademark of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program” and “only one country, Iraq, has used bentonite to produce biological weapons.”

    ABC News’ claim — which they said came at first from “three well-placed but separate sources,” followed by “four well-placed and separate sources” — was completely false from the beginning. There never was any bentonite detected in the anthrax (a fact ABC News acknowledged for the first time in 2007 only as a result of my badgering them about this issue). It’s critical to note that it isn’t the case that preliminary tests really did detect bentonite and then subsequent tests found there was none. No tests ever found or even suggested the presence of bentonite. The claim was just concocted from the start. It just never happened.

    That means that ABC News’ “four well-placed and separate sources” fed them information that was completely false — false information that created a very significant link in the public mind between the anthrax attacks and Saddam Hussein.

    More at: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax/index.html

    What is also particularly interesting to note is that the two US senators Dachle and Leahy who received anthrax filled envelopes were threatening to hold up passage of the so-called Patriot Act in the Senate. The Patriot Act (doubtless named by fans of Orwell’s 1984) significantly curtailed the traditional rights and freedoms enjoyed by US citizens under the guise of being necessary for the public’s safety in the “war on terror”. It had been written prior to the 9/11 attack and had been sitting on the shelf waiting for an opportune moment to be slipped into law. After the anthrax mailout the Patriot Act sailed though the House and Senate with no opposition and it was discovered afterwards most politicians who voted in its favour had never even read it or understood the full implications of its contents.

    The FBI, as is its wont in these types of cases, cast about for one of the usual “lone nut” crazies to pin the crime on so they could put this affair to bed and take the heat off. After a miscue or two along the way, they finally settled on anthrax researcher Bruce Ivins (now conveniently deceased by suicide and not a Muslim in any case) to take the blame. However, problems remain with the case against Ivins.

    Grassley Challenges DOJ, FBI on Anthrax Case

    snip

    The anthrax attacks killed five people in New York, Connecticut, Washington, D.C., and Florida, sickened 17 others and forced an estimated 30,000 people to take extended antibiotics therapy as a precaution. The $100 million, eight-year hunt for the perpetrator has been described as the most complex investigation in the FBI’s history.

    In his letter, sent Wednesday, (Congressman) Grassley said the Justice Department’s initial filing in the court case “seemingly eliminated” the government’s circumstantial case against Ivins, who committed suicide in 2008 after learning that prosecutors planned to seek his indictment on five counts of capital murder.

    Grassley said he found the department’s contradictory filings “particularly troubling” because a National Academy of Sciences panel in February called into question the FBI’s assertion that genetic sequencing had definitively traced the source of the anthrax powder to a flask in Ivins’ lab. He noted that two USAMRIID scientists, in sworn depositions in the suit, disputed the FBI’s conclusion that Ivins could have made the powder in his laboratory.

    http://www.propublica.org/article/grassley-challenges-doj-fbi-on-anthrax-case


  14. Well, Well it must be a slow Saturday/Sunday when the Grand Daddy of the Conspiracy theorists raises its head on BU led by the master of the cut and paste “Green Monkey” himself.

    “Truthers” come from all spectrums of the political arena, they all believe in some outlandish theory and when confronted with facts they change the narrative to support their line of reasoning.

    If the “Blind Sheik” had succeeded in bringing down the WTC in 1993, it would still be an inside job perpetrated by the CIA/FBI/Zionists or some shadowy organization.

    After Obama produced his Birth Certificate did that stop some of them? Is Obama Christian or Muslim? It’s also “New World Order” led by the UN/Trilateral Commission/Bilderberg Group. Did man really land on the Moon or was it some grainy film shot on a back lot of some studio?

    Why should conspiracy theories be International in scope? I think I should start some home grown conspiracy theories e.g. Was Tom’s death of natural causes or did Bree do him in? Bree was leader of the BLP before Tom and the only way he could become PM was if Tom departed? Did Thompson really die of cancer or was it some slow poison delivered by some elements who were against FOI and Integrity Legislation? How about Stuart since he and David did not always see eye to eye when the DLP was in Opposition? Did Mia conspire with David to knock Mascoll out of the loop with Hardwood? ( she did shed a tear at his viewing)

    I’ve run out of time got to work on some home projects, will be back….


  15. Conspiracy theories or not, no one on this earth could suspend Newton’s Laws of Motion for the convenience of the 9/11 terrorists.

    People in general have a hard time accepting the concept that democratic governments or even renegade elements of democratic governments could engage in a deliberate strategy of using false flag attacks to achieve desired objectives.. That’s not really surprising since we are kept in the dark of some recent aspects of history.

    For example, how many in the general population are aware that the Pentagon Joint Chiefs of Staff (the most senior generals and admirals in the US Armed services) in the early 1960’s prepared plans for false flag attacks against US citizens and Cuban refugees under the code name Operation Northwoods? These plans included blowing up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay (shades of the “Remember the Maine” incident); staging a shootdown of a US airliner (actually a drone with no passengers) over Cuban territory; possibly sinking rafts or boats with Cuban refugees on the high seas trying to escape from Cuba; organizing terror bombings etc. in Miami. These would be designed to look as if they came from Castro’s forces and stimulate enough anger against Castro and his revolution in the US population that the US public would support a full scale US invasion of Cuba to overthrow Castro. The Northwoods plans were submitted by the Joint Chiefs to the Kennedy White House, but apparently never approved to be put into action.

    Some details from the US Joint Chiefs of Staff’s Operation Northwoods Plans.

    Among the actions recommended was “a series of well coordinated incidents to take place in and around” the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This included dressing “friendly” Cubans in Cuban military uniforms and then have them “start riots near the main gate of the base. Others would pretend to be saboteurs inside the base. Ammunition would be blown up, fires started, aircraft sabotaged, mortars fired at the base with damage to installations.”

    The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. “We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,” they proposed; “casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”

    There seemed no limit to their fanaticism: “We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” they wrote. “The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States.

    We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). . . . We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized.”

    Bombings were proposed, false arrests, hijackings:

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html

    Operation Gladio and the “Strategy of Tension”

    During the cold war there were false flag operations in Western Europe where underground cells of “stay behind armies” (designed initially to stay behind and fight a guerrilla war in case of a Soviet invasion) were co-opted by the CIA, and with the help of different NATO countries’ intelligence services, some far right fanatics, ex Nazis from WWII etc.
    who were members or associates of these Stay Behind Armies staged terror attacks against civilians in order to make it look like the terror attacks were being committed by left wing radicals and communists. The aim was to scare the Europeans into not voting for communists in their political elections, as it was feared that, especially in Italy, the communists had a good chance of winning elections, and if they got control of a NATO state’s government, it could severely damage the cohesiveness of the NATO alliance. In Italy this false flag operation was given the code name Operation Gladio by the Italian intelligence agencies.

    From a review of the book NATO’s Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Swiss academic and historian Daniel Ganser:

    This path-breaking work by Daniele Ganser, a Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at Zurich’s Federal Institute of Technology, exposes the secret anti-communist terrorist organisation set up across Europe by the US and British states after World War Two. They created the Gladio network in all 16 NATO member countries and in the neutral nations of Sweden, Finland, Austria and Switzerland. They recruited former SS members as part of Germany’s network.

    As Ganser writes, these networks “became activists in political causes as a rule and not as an exception.” The US and British states used them “to manipulate and control the democracies of Western Europe from within, unknown to both European populations and parliaments. This strategy led to terror and fear, as well as to `humiliation and maltreatment of democratic institutions’.” They created and manipulated a terrorist threat, developing a `strategy of tension’ to strengthen Europe’s ruling classes.

    Ganser points out, “Sometimes these efforts involved violence, even terrorism, and sometimes the terrorists made use of the very equipment furnished to them for their Cold War function.” He observes, “The secret armies … were involved in a whole series of terrorist operations and human rights violations that they wrongly blamed on the Communists in order to discredit the left at the polls. The operations always aimed spreading maximum fear among the population and ranged from bomb massacres in trains and market squares (Italy), the use of systematic torture of opponents of the regime (Turkey), the support for right-wing coups d’etats (Greece and Turkey), to the smashing of opposition groups (Portugal and Spain).”

    The Gladio terrorists massacred 38 people in Turkey in 1977, 491 people in Italy between 1969 and 1980, and 28 people in Belgium in 1983-85. They assisted coups in France in 1958 and 1961, in Greece in 1967 and in Turkey in 1960, 1971 and 1980. They carried out the assassinations of Eduardo Mondlane, the leader of Mozambique’s national liberation movement, in 1969, and of Aldo Moro, who had been Prime Minister of Italy, in 1978.

    http://www.amazon.com/review/R220659XKSZEMS/ref=cm_cr_dp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0714685003&nodeID=283155&tag=&linkCode=

    “You have to attack civilians, women, children” says architect of staged/manufactured events

    snip

    “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,” right-wing terrorist and GLADIO agent Vincezo Vinciguerra explained the so-called “strategy of tension” in sworn testimony.

    “The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened.”

    GLADIO-orchestrated false flag terror attacks, such as the Bologna train bombing in 1980 which killed 85 people, were revealed during the Italian parliamentary investigation as having been overseen by elements of the U.S. intelligence apparatus. At the very least, U.S. intelligence sat on prior knowledge of bombings and allowed them to go ahead.

    http://civicsnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/you-have-to-attack-civilians-women.html


    • @Green Monkey

      You don”t have to get so technical with Sarge, ask him about the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam and the effect the dioxin has had on members of the US military.

      Would one have believed the coverup on this matter?

      Hell, what about testing syphilis on blacks by US military

      Sarge most people are skeptical when it comes to believing the worst about the government but crap happens.


  16. @David
    What pancake theory. Fires which spread throughout the building caused the steel to melt and the eventual collapse of the building.


  17. Why is it so difficult to believe that the Great US of A got slapped by a small group of intelligent and motivated terrorists.

    The concept that Americans planned and executed the 9/11 attack is typical of the American mantra “we are the greatest nation on earth and only we can kick our own ass.”

    Not easy admitting that the great USA got “caught with their pants down” and failed to protect their citizens.


  18. @Hants
    What you said is too rationale and not easy for the irrationale amd conspirators to understand. They would always theorize and form conclusion similiar to that of “The Pancake theory”


  19. @David

    I guess that I need to be educated that the use of Agent Orange was also a Conspiracy theory, but I refer to my immediate above about changing the narrative re “false flags”

    Don’t have much time today still engaged in a home project, but in my world- Happy wife = Happy life :-).


  20. @David
    But again the fires spread by underground cables help to bring it down. I wish you would have seen . The rebuilding of ground Zero on the science channel and expert opinion on how the fires were the culprit in brining down all of them


  21. ” Don’t have much time today still engaged in a home project, but in my world- Happy wife = Happy life 🙂 ”

    hants
    .. that’s not what she told me 😉

    issue should be that american’s question the murders, means motives opportunities evidence and theories
    but they choose to unquestioningly toe the official line


  22. Hants/AC

    Are the two of you purposely trying to sound like stupid idiotic jackasses? View the videos of the objecting professionals and do some service to the deceased by not allowing the guilty to remain hidden behind accusations of conspiracies … Hey people conspire. You are saying that Bin Ladden conspired to bring those buildings down, does that not make the two of you conspiracy theorists too?

    Sarge

    I will check to see if there is an e version of the book. How else could I get one?


  23. Kind advice to Sarge:

    Best to keep quiet and be regarded as gullible, rather than attack people with access to provable facts, than confirm your absolute ignorance of the subject.
    Your blind sheikh reference to the original WTC attack omits to mention the an FBI employee (on tape) built the bomb involved.

    I think the phrase is “hoisted by your own petard”.

    Read up, and engage your brain before illustrating your lack of knowledge.

    Start here:


  24. @ BAFBFP

    You wrote:
    Hants/AC
    Are the two of you purposely trying to sound like stupid idiotic jackasses? View the videos of the objecting professionals and do some service to the deceased by not allowing the guilty to remain hidden behind accusations of conspiracies …

    Considering that ac repeated a discredited argument about Building 7, i.e that fires spread throughout the building and the steel consequently melted as a result of these fires (the argument also implying the steel melted from these office fires alone without pre-placed incendiaries or accelerants), it is clear that ac has NOT looked at the video at the top of the page. Or if he/she did, he/she was unable to absorb the material that was presented by the professional engineers and well credentialed scientists in the video,
    .
    Ac and others might avoid watching the video, or have difficulty comprehending it if they do watch it, because the implications of the information it contains could be very difficult and uncomfortable to deal with from a psychological point of view, as it would probably contradict an already well established picture in their minds as to how the world is supposed to operate – a situation I think psychologists refer to as cognitive dissonance.


    • A pity Micro Mock Engineer has not put in an appearance here.

      It was interesting to listen to a few of the experts on the video refer to the fact that the airplane fuel could not have generated the heat needed to melt iron in the building under the crash to create the free fall witnessed in WTC B7.

      Then there is one expert who claimed to have found sulfur residue on molten steel after the fall..

      Just too many questions which need to be answered.


  25. @Straight Talk

    So what if you consider me stupid? What the hell are the “provable facts” surrounding the Towers collapse anyway? Are they provable because they support a particular theory? What about the facts which prove that two planes loaded with jet fuel crashing into two skyscrapers are likely to destroy them? Within minutes of the Towers falling someone was claiming it was an inside job; that Jewish employees were told to stay away from work etc.

    What read up? You are free to believe in whatever you want to believe, I choose to go in a different direction.

    Why don’t you bring your superior brain knowledge to the fore? The WTC was man made; any man made object can be destroyed. Show me a man made object that cannot be destroyed.

    Why is it that some people are so convinced that they are right about a particular subject that they attack any person with a different viewpoint by insulting their intelligence?.

    “Hoisted by your own petard”, why don’t you look in the mirror?


  26. Sarge seriously, look at the videos, at least the first one. It is two hours long but worth it. I read a couple book reviews on the book that you identified and I wont insult you by passing judgement in public. Watch the videos. My aunt died in those buildings, she was an Antiguan night auditor. Man do it for her nah ..! (Dimitri Khalezov gives the most complete scenario of the possible reason for the free fall, but that is another tale)


  27. @BAFBFP

    I am sorry that you lost a relative at WTC but many others also lost relatives, however the Central theme of the post by Conspiracy aficionados is that the US Gov’t was responsible for the destruction of the Towers. That suggestion is pure unadulterated nonsense, what is true is that the personnel from the various US agencies responsible for the country’s security missed many important clues which could have prevented the attack.

    There are many videos and articles which will show that the Towers fell as a result of the impact and subsequent fire resulting from the crash but it is not my role to try to dissuade you from whatever you want to believe. The bottom line is that the people responsible for the security of the US (FBI/ NSC etc.) failed to share or interpret information as it came into their hands. That doesn’t mean that they planned and executed the destruction of the Towers it just means that they were unable to connect the dots.


  28. Here is a recent entry from his blog by US lawyer Kurt Haskell. He and his wife just happened to be passengers on Northwest Airlines Flt 253 at Christmas Dec 2009. This was the same flight the “underwear bomber” was on from Amsterdam to Detroit.

    Events Haskell witnessed prior to boarding (i.e. the underwear bomber being escorted around normal airport security procedures before boarding) and on that flight itself caused him to re-evaluate his trust in the US government.and the mainstream media.

    The Colossal Deceit Known As The Underwear Bomber Case
    by Kurt Haskell

    With jury selection set to begin in the Underwear Bomber Trial set to begin tomorrow, I’ve spent the evening reminiscing about Christmas Day 2009 and the 21 months since. The Underwear Bomber attack has fundamentally changed my life. Not in the way most would think, but it has destroyed any faith I’ve had in the U.S. Government, the media and this country as a whole. To say that I believe the government is corrupt and the media is complicit doesn’t fully explain my beliefs. Not only have I come to those conclusions, but I’ve witnessed that an ordinary person who sees something important can be silenced despite his efforts to spread the truth. Such is the Underwear Bomber case. I can do nothing but laugh at the TSA’s new policy of “If you see something say something.” That is exactly what I did, and not only did the U.S. Government not want to hear what I had to say, but it actively lied about it, attempted to get me to change my story, and hid, by withholding (secret government) evidence or putting a protective order on the evidence and nearly everything that would support my eyewitness account. (emphasis added /GM)

    Continued at:
    http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2011/09/colossal-deceit-known-as-underwear.html


  29. maybe people should step back look at big picture
    ignoring *harts and *sargents belief’s
    other theories may also not be unrelated in the big scheme of things such as subsequent dubious oil wars and financial crises caused by lending excess money regardless of due checks then selling it on bundled up into billions/millions


  30. @Jimmy bishop. u are a perfect fool if, u choose to bury ur head in the sand. i don’t even have to look at those documentaries to know it was an inside job. ( i saw a number of them) but there is one video which spoke volumes, it was shown from different angles, it was slowed down: how can u explain the fact that the second plane explored just as its tip touched the building? why did it explode just as it entered? that alone told me that, it was planned well. not only that, u can clearly see an object on the belly of the plane, and it was this object that exploded: look up a programmed called In Plane Site.


  31. @Jimmy bishop. I meant, how can u explain the fact that the second plane exploded just as its tip touched the building? why did it explode just as it entered? that alone told me that, it was planned well. not only that, u can clearly see an object on the belly of the plane, and it was this object that exploded: look up a programme called In Plane Site


  32. if conspiracy under bush regime s/b exposed under incumbent,
    are they 2 heads of same beast or top secret

    dedicated to baf..whatever the spellin


  33. The 9/11 Commissioners and Other Officials Don’t Believe the Government

    The 9/11 Commissioners and congressional investigators into 9/11 themselves don’t believe the government’s description of events.

    Much of the world doesn’t believe the official story.

    Psychologists: Questioning 9/11 Is the Sane Thing To Do

    Many mental health professionals have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false, and that those who believe the official version suffer from defense mechanisms. For example:

    Associate Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, Lester Grinspoon, MD

    Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD

    Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R. Komisaruk

    Distinguished Professor in the Department of Mental Health Law and Policy, Professor of Medicine in the Department of Internal Medicine and Distinguished Professor of Global Health in the College of Public Health, University of South Florida, Michael D. Knox

    More at:
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/psychologists-mental-health-questioning-911-sane.html


    • @Green Monkey

      Read the story earlier today with great interest, now we have to give some credence to the concerns of the former 911 Commissioner.


  34. Look at what video anybody can manipulate a video to present their point of view.give me a break!So the planes flew into the building on the same day america planned to blew them up? which means that america an ALqaeda were in cahoots to kill all them Jews in the Towers. Now I am really confused. You guys need to explain the series of events leadsing up to 911. it is unbelievable. Take it awayBAF.


  35. The 911commission found four failures by the USA government which led to the attack: Imagination, policy, capabilities, and management.
    As for the fires the NIST said that that the fireproofing on the steel infrastructure was blown off by the planes initial impact and had that not happened the buildings would have remained standing.


  36. Two planes smash into 2 buildings, fires burn for less than one hour, firemen on the scene call for 2 single lines of water to put out the fires, some people on the crash damaged floors make it out of the building and their are people that believe the fires were so fierce they could melt steel?

    Seismic recorders and eye witnesses in the towers report huge explosion 20 or 30 seconds before the impact of the planes on the buildings.

    In every other instance of a homicide, every possible shred of forensic evidence is gathered to ascertain the methods, yet they ship the materials from WTC off to China?

    People that believe the US government explanations are the conspiracy theorists as they believe that OBL conspired with others to pull off this hollywood classic.

    Oh yeah and within all this mayhem they were able to retrieve the leaders passport, no mention of any other passports. Amazing.

    Peace


  37. Mathematician and Physics teacher David Chandler on “WTC 7: A Refutation of the Official Account”

    9/11 – The Toronto Hearings – 09/10/11 – David Chandler

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