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Dr. Justin Robinson, Head of Department & Lecturer in Management Studies,UWI,Cave Hill

On Friday August 5 2011, while most of Barbados was partying with Rihanna, there was a loud bang, and the financial world was shaken to the core with the news that major Credit Rating Agency, Standard & Poors (S&P) had downgraded the long term credit rating of the United States of America from AAA to AA+, and with a negative outlook. This momentous decision to downgrade the USA, justified or not, may well in my opinion, hasten a dramatic reduction in the role and influence of the CRAs in global financial markets, and the financial world will be much better for it.

CRAs are private profit oriented entities that issue an opinion on the likelihood a borrower will default on its debt. The opinion is issued in the form of a letter grade, with AAA being the highest rating. The industry is dominated by Moodys Investors Services and Standard & Poors, with Fitch running a distant third. Financial economists have long questioned the value added by the CRAs. To put it simply, many argue that in good times, rating agencies upgrade borrowers, and in bad times they downgrade them. Do you really need them to state the obvious? The CRAs were much maligned for assigning AAA ratings to now worthless subprime mortgage loans, and infamously rating Enron as “Investment Grade” in the same week the company filed for bankruptcy.

Much of the power of the CRAs seems to come from the fact that the credit opinions (ratings) they issue have been written into the law and contracts in many countries. For example, by law or contractual agreement many institutions are only allowed to invest in financial instruments carrying a certain credit rating by one of the major agencies. Also, in many instances, contracts require that financial instruments posted as collateral have a AAA rating. Financial Economists refer to this as the regulatory license granted to the CRAs. In essence to be a player in many financial markets you need the blessing of the CRAs. Due to this fact, attaining or losing a certain credit rating by one of the major agencies is a major issue for many investors and financial institutions. If these laws and contracts are enforced, then come Monday, a number of contracts would have been violated and investors may be forced to sell assets, find new collateral and so on. My guess is rather than face this massive inconvenience, or rather chaos, a number of clauses will either not be enforced or simply changed to allow institutions to continue to hold US government securities and use them as collateral for all kinds of financial contracts despite the downgrade. If this happens, the regulatory license, which has the source of the power of the CRAs would have been undermined and with it some of their influence.

In addition, this decision may force investors to rely more on their judgement than on credit ratings. US government securities have traditionally been viewed as the safest investment in the world. By removing the AAA rating, S&P are in effect saying they are not. If this opinion carries weight then we should see major investors like the Chinese and other Asian governments move money out of US government securities into the now “safer” investments of Canada, France, UK, Germany, Australia, Isle of Man and every other country with a AAA rating. My own sense is that, if only because of the depth and breadth of the US government debt market, many investors will still continue to pour their money into US government debt, in effect ignoring S&P. The Chinese, for example, will now have a choice of continuing to buy US debt, buy more European debt, buy government debt in relatively illiquid financial markets or allow the Chinese currency to appreciate and undermine its export lead economic growth. I suspect they will choose to continue to buy US debt, in effect ignoring S&P and the downgrade. If money continues to pour into US government securities despite the downgrade, the downgrade may well appear meaningless, and the power and influence of the CRAs would have been undermined, with investors substituting their own judgement for that of the CRAs.

While its tempting to salute S&P for daring to downgrade the great USA, the downgrade and the likely critique will in my view serve to to expose the high degree of subjectivity in sovereign credit ratings and further undermine the credibility of the CRAs and their ratings. The USA does have serious fiscal issues and the recent debt ceiling debate does raise questions about the willingness of the USA to pay its debts and hence the probability of default. The fact that raising the debt ceiling, which was routinely done around 60 times previously, became and may well remain a political issue must have been a major factor contributing to the downgrade. However, in my opinion, the downgrade would have been far more credible if S&P had waited to see the outcome of the long term deficit reduction process set up by the US government, as part of the congressional deal to raise the debt ceiling. S&P could, and probably should have waited to see what the so- called “super committee” of congress came up with before concluding that the political process in the USA was incapable of producing a credible deficit reduction plan. This willingness to jump the proverbial gun and prejudge the outcome of Political Economy processes has been a feature of recent ratings decisions in Europe. These are very subjective calls and serves to undermine the notion of the CRAs as objective analysts of the likelihood a borrower will default.

This downgrade also leads to a number of glaring inconsistencies in ratings across the globe, which in my opinion, also serves to undermine the credibility of the CRAs and their ratings. The USA has a reserve currency and can print money to pay its debts (what economists call monetizing the debt), yet France with its generous entitlement programs, aging population and an inability to print money (due to its membership of the Euro) maintains a AAA credit rating. How do you justify that? The US Central Bank has been downgraded to AA+ as well, yet the European Central Bank with its large holdings of Greek, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish government debt, retains a AAA credit rating. How do you justify that? Can the US corporations with AAA ratings, maintain such ratings while the sovereign has been downgraded? Consistency seems require that S&p review a number of ratings around the world, but if ratings are generally reviewed downwards, has the relative rankings changed, and if not what has really changed?

While the immediate loser is likely to be President Obama, I think in the medium to long term the real loser will be the rating agencies themselves. This decision exposes the subjective nature of the ratings and will encourage investors to revoke the regulatory license granted to the CRAs and encourage investors to use their own judgement rather than slavish follow ratings. This would be a good thing indeed.


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  1. By the way CRAs is an acronymn for Credit Rating Agencies.


  2. No doubt Obama will be the fall guy, as if he created the problem any way.

    Brutus asked earlier will will provide the analysis (opinion) of the CRAs if they are to be written out of the financial agreements.

    One remembers when Sagicor’s rating was downgraded recently because of the mark down of the sovereign rating of Jamaica for example.

    Let us watch the hypocrisy play out.


  3. Justin, a very informative article. Can I repost to Facebook?


  4. An interesting parable about money and growth:

    Once upon a time, in a small village in the Outback, people used barter for all their transactions. On every market day, people walked around with chickens, eggs, hams, and breads, and engaged in prolonged negotiations among themselves to exchange what they needed. At key periods of the year, like harvests or whenever someone’s barn needed big repairs after a storm, people recalled the tradition of helping each other out that they had brought from the old country. They knew that if they had a problem someday, others would aid them in return.

    One market day, a stranger with shiny black shoes and an elegant white hat came by and observed the whole process with a sardonic smile. When he saw one farmer running around to corral the six chickens he wanted to exchange for a big ham, he could not refrain from laughing. “Poor people,” he said, “so primitive.” The farmer’s wife overheard him and challenged the stranger, “Do you think you can do a better job handling chickens?” “Chickens, no,” responded the stranger, “But there is a much better way to eliminate all that hassle.” “Oh yes, how so?” asked the woman. “See that tree there?” the stranger replied. “Well, I will go wait there for one of you to bring me one large cowhide. Then have every family visit me. I’ll explain the better way.”

    And so it happened. He took the cowhide, and cut perfect leather rounds in it, and put an elaborate and graceful little stamp on each round. Then he gave to each family 10 rounds, and explained that each represented the value of one chicken. “Now you can trade and bargain with the rounds instead of the unwieldy chickens,” he explained.

    It made sense. Everybody was impressed with the man with the shiny shoes and inspiring hat.

    “Oh, by the way,” he added after every family had received their 10 rounds, “in a year’s time, I will come back and sit under that same tree. I want you to each bring me back 11 rounds. That 11th round is a token of appreciation for the technological improvement I just made possible in your lives.” “But where will the 11th round come from?” asked the farmer with the six chickens. “You’ll see,” said the man with a reassuring smile.

    Above parable excerpted from:http://www.realitysandwich.com/sacred_economics_ch_6_usury


  5. Here’s a clickable link for Sacred Economics Ch 6 “The Economics of Usury”:

    http://www.realitysandwich.com/sacred_economics_ch_6_usury

    Looks like the link I posted above got screwed up somehow


  6. No problem you can post to facebook.

    I think the ratings being removed from the contracts would be a good thing. Investors would now have to do their work and use their judgement along with the ratings, rather than slavishly following ratings.

    Yes, it will be interesting to see if the so called “sovereign ceiling” where a private entity is not typically rated higher than the country will now be applied to Microsoft.


  7. Message to David,

    Didn’t mean to hog the thread with my lengthly post about the money parable. If you would like to edit it down to a few paragraphs with the link to the original, I have no problem with that.

    GM.


  8. To ensure the BU family does not get lost in the debate here is some useful info:
      What is Standard & Poor’s?
    Standard & Poor’s (S&P) is an independent agency that conducts analysis and provides intelligence on international markets. The data it provides is presented in the form of credit ratings, indices, investment research and risk evaluations and solutions. Investors use these materials to make business decisions.  What is a credit rating?
    A credit rating is a calculated opinion about the ability or willingness of a person, corporation or government to meet its financial obligations in full and on time.
    Investors use credit ratings to make decisions, but do not base them on ratings alone. Other factors that they may take into consideration include the current make-up of their investment portfolios, investment strategies and timelines, tolerance for risk and an estimate of an investment’s value compared to other investment opportunities.
    How does Standard & Poor’s calculate credit ratings?
    S&P combines quantitative measures with qualitative assessments to calculate credit ratings. Within those qualitative assessments are assumptions, or projection estimates, of figures that may not already exist, but are likely to in the future.
    What does the drop in the US credit from AAA to AA+ mean?
    S&P’s credit ratings are presented in the form of a grade, ranging from D to AAA.
    According to S&P, a credit rating of AAA means that the evaluated body has an “extremely strong capacity to meet financial commitments.” The AA rating means that it has a “very strong capacity to meet financial commitments.”
    While the difference may seem negligible, it’s not. The demotion means S&P sees a negative outlook for the US economy. If the US government does not employ policies to reverse this trend, its credit rating may fall even lower – which may cause alarm for investors who are currently invested or planning on investing in the US market.
    Why was the US credit rating downgraded?
    S&P downgraded the US credit rating because of its debt and deficit burden. The nation currently spends more money than it takes in, and is having trouble paying back its loans.
    Washington recently agreed to raise the country’s debt limit so it could borrow more funds and not default on credit payments. S&P does not believe that this is an adequate solution to the country’s financial troubles. It says political gridlock is preventing the country from dealing effectively with the issue.
    How will the downgraded credit rating affect Americans?
    Some experts believe it could result in higher interest rates for home mortgages, credit cards, car loans and other loans to consumers and businesses.
    What does the US need to do to repair its S&P credit rating?
    The country needs to prove it can meet its financial obligations – not just by borrowing more money, but by maintaining a healthy balance of credit to debt.
    S&P has implied that it may take years before the US’ credit rating is restored to AAA standing.
    Have other countries experienced credit downgrades?
    Japan’s S&P credit rating was downgraded to an AA+ in 2001. Earlier this year, it was downgraded again to a AA-. Other countries, like Canada and Australia, have also been downgraded in the past. None of these downgrades have had lasting detrimental effects on the respective economies.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/08/20118614439277977.html


  9. @Dr. Justin Robinson
    Salutation
    And your point is?
    Firstly I would never be insulting to imply that I know anything about economic, except my reality tells me in simplified terms that if corn-beef is £1.50 and steak is £3.00 and I only have £1.50 then corn-beef it is. what is it for you?

    The problem is that the Americans and others in the world alike has been having steak which they evidently, consistently, not been able to pay for.in this decade.
    You would chastise the CRA for not repeating the same mistake as with Enron, yet with it I pause to ask, Do we really need a CRA to downgrade the US AAA rating to comprehend that in any circumstances a borrower who is $54 trillion in debt and climbing, in order to avoid default on payment, such borrower has to raised a debt ceiling in order to bolster the illusion that they can clear their obligatory repayments by acquiring additional debt, is nothing more than the delay of harder times ahead. What happens when it is time for the next payment? Btw it is called a debt ceiling to encourage good spending judgement and discipline is it not?
    My point is leave the CRA alone. I just wish people would accept that now is the time more than ever to call a spade a SPADE. But greed and self interest always gets in the way. Which by such a sentiment can raise it’s greedy arrogant head to suggest that there be be a coup against the CRA decision to turn on the lights to see if there is anybody in the US government, ready to demonstrate debt ridden fiscal policy. Maybe too late.

    Yet in my gut I know that none of these events are coincidental. I have too much historic documented dialogue from the politician elite themselves who have repeatedly stated that “nothing in politics is accidental; if it happen then it was meant to happen”. Yes it is hard to grasp because there seem to be so many agencies and special interest involved. But long before I was a sperm count, the game was a foot.

    What is in my view the treasonous acts that helped led us here, is what the politicians of the world have done and continue to do? they have continue to transfer PRIVATE debt to Public responsibility. they sided with the few at the expense of the many. It was a cash give away and no amount of Constitutional oversight seems for the moment, to stop this trip to the glue factory of cheated lives. Now why is that?

    Try these two sites for true patriotism and a understanding of the immediate tasks at hand. http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org; http://www.larouchepac.com

    Take care of yourself and each other


  10. For those interested follow the link to read the reasons S&P gave for the downgrade.

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    “They have continue to transfer PRIVATE debt to Public responsibility. they sided with the few at the expense of the many.” Myturn2speak, in the above 10.48 pm, August 6, 2011 post.

    Well said!!

    That is one of the principal reasons why the PDC has seen the notion of the government debt of Barbados as being far bigger than the usually thought of financial problem that it is.

    Indeed, this particular extra-financial problem relate to those persons who – inside of the so-called top ranks of the government and the private sector in Barbados – use the nomenclature of government – and who use this thing about the people – to assist them in borrowing money or getting income investments in the name of the government and people of Barbados, from out of the local and international financial capital markets.

    But, just before or well before doing so, their aims would have been to position themselves and some of their families, friends, etc. in whatever personal commercial business ways, to benefit from such loans at the expense of the majority of the people.

    So, that when they succeed at getting these loans – apart from the social technical benefits to members of the public or of the government itself – what would have been long part of their aims would have been to make sure that the satisfy their wealth and income aggrandization schemes; where upon once they have succeeded in doing so too, to get these wicked evil governments – of which they are invariably a part of – to later go and in the final analysis TAX – STEAL FROM – the incomes of the relevant people, businesses and others in Barbados, to make sure that these so-called government loans and the interest costs that are of part of these loans are paid off.

    So, what a disgraceful state of affairs that is happening in Barbados, but which surely must be smashed with the might of the people!!

    No doubt such forms an actal part of the established, open flagrant corrupting and contaminating of government business in this country.

    That is why – in response to such sinful corruption in government and to overcome some of the worst effects of many aspects of this exploitative sickening Euro-centric political economic financial system that has been over the years adopted in Barbados – we have incorporated into our policies programs, the policies that whenever a PDC Government is formed in this country that TAXATION MUST GO; THAT INTEREST RATES MUST GO, THAT REPAYABLE INSTITUTIONAL PRODUCTIVE LOANS MUST GO – THAT HOME AND BUILDING MORTGAGES WILL GO; THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILLL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ISSUE GOVERNMENT PAPER, and such like.

    That is why too we insist on greater freedom and liberty for the broad masses and middle classes of people of Barbados from this particularly virulent form of political economic financial bondage inside and outside of this country.

    Green Monkey,

    Whosoever you are, keep up the mission of educating many BU readers about the many dangers and evil associated with this western political material financial system.

    And do recognize the fundamental differences between how you write and intone under this blog and how the writer of the lead article does.

    So, whereas you write to help free and liberate many of us and many future generations from the yoke and peonage of this wicked political money system, that academic JOKER helps to greater imprison us and many future generations, with his otiose useless commentaries.

    PDC


  12. Now that the carnival is finished and Barbadians have used the outlet to relieve themselves of their frustrations, the source of which is the protracted economic situation; the Rihanna Show which extended the season of revelry, it is time for the government to lead the recalibration of Barbadians seemingly required despite the preponderance of evidence to sensitized to the current social and economic realities.

    When is the budget?

    When will the CJ be permanently appointed?

    When will integrity legislation appear from its commital to select committee?

    When will FOIA be proclaimed?

    Is there a functioning Public Accounts Committee in Barbados?

    Barbadians need to participate in our democracy in a way that aligns with our reputation as a jurisdiction which expends a healthy % of gdp on education.


  13. I am so tired of this man’s opinions … Christ I am just sick of his effeminate demeanor …!


  14. @PDC
    I very much doubt that your party will ever have to worry about governing, indeed the attainment of one seat would require the infinitesimal stretching of my active imagination. You are missing some basic points about incentive based economies, especially in relation to Bim;
    1 people (Bajans) want to improve their lives in many aspects and
    having the opportunity to make more and accumulate more money is paramount. Medical Doctors dont want to make the same as garbage collectors. This is the psychological disposition of humans.

    2 If you were correct about the failings of the principles of incentive based economics I doubt the following nations would have radically altered their approach in the last 25yrs ie China, India (socialist bureaucracy) and Russia. The West would have gone Communist!

    @DR JR

    Given your position it is very difficult to expose the basics.The CRAs and Stock Raters have great difficulty presenting accurate findings for several reasons;
    1 the CRAs are PAID by those they rate in many instances, certainly in the corporate world. CONFLICT of INTERESTS.

    2 Politics and connections. The powerful gang up against the raters, some even believing they are correct, to persuade the raters not to downgrade.
    On the stock side the powerful even sue raters ie Trump et al, who went bankrupt about one year after, as predicted.

    The solution could well be to force CRAs to provide insurance based on their ratings ie combine with or become insurance companies. When humans have much to loose they tend to conduct themselves at a higher level. Corruption is so rife that this probably should extend to CA audit firms too!

    Will continue later

  15. The People's Democratic Congress Avatar
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    Moneybrain,

    The Almighty Creator, the People of Barbados and we will principally determine how far we get in this political electoral system.

    “You are missing some basic points about incentive based economies, especially in relation to Bim;
    1 people (Bajans) want to improve their lives in many aspects and
    having the opportunity to make more and accumulate more money is paramount.”

    MISSING SOME BASIC POINTS????

    First, tell us about these incentive based economies, and this incentive based economy called Barbados. What are they? Are they different from the really specific interchanging human political material financial activities which are still currently described as economies? Or is this another term for those said activities?

    Secondly, with regard to your no 1 point, the fundamental thing is that these things are an elementary part of what we are about for this country and its people.

    Thirdly, with regard to your 2nd point, the thing is that this Barbados economy has been for a long time ( since the mid 80s) totally failing and is continuing to fail, as it was from the time of 1966 designed to so happen, eventually.

    ALL ECONOMIES IN THIS WORLD have on the whole either been tending towards total failure or would have been long been failing, and will therefore continue to do so along these veins as well.

    ALL ECONOMIES are existing in the long distant past (pardon the oxymoron).

    Given the totally ideologically politically bankrupt discredited nature of economics and western finance, it is high time an entirely new or different and effective way of organizing modern human, political, material and financial interrrelationships be established or evolved and a new language, scientific method, etc. developed at the same time to help foster such, locally, regionally and internationally.

    A sufficient knowledge of international relations, particularly globalism ( do not be confused with theories on globalization) and global elitism, global banking, insurance and financial elitism, and international political economy, and would show why the Chinese, to a greater etent, and the Russians and Indians, to a lesser extent, are the better political financial targets of the so-called big movers and top rankers/votaries of such belief systems now more than ever before in recent world history.

    Many Chinese, Russian and Indian political business financial elites inside and outside of their respective countries are also part of the so called big-movers and top-rankers and pure-blooded votaries of those belief systems.

    These Chinese, Russian and Indian political business and financial elites have NOT fundamentally altered their approaches over the years.

    They have basically maintained and retained their own rapacious globalist agendas for donkey years.

    It is the Governments of these countries that have either changed substantially, or that have been more accomodating to the global elitist agendas because to them it seems more legitimate to do so, ideologically, politically and other wise.

    For instance, with the fall of the Soviet Union – which signified a dark age in Communist/Socialist thought – it became obviously more logical for the Russian government to take a substantially different ideological political course from the one that the government of the Soviet Union had been taking.

    Moneybrain, it might have been better therefore for you to look at some of the circumstances why the Chinese ( arguably a former Communist country ) have apparently “succeeded” in making the TRANSITION from a communist command type economy to a post-communist market driven economy ( whilst at the same time really making it worse for their people in the long term ( they are now putting on the dingy economic robes that the Americans, British and French ought to have discarded long time ago), and to look at the part of the significance why Market reform ideologies were TAKEN TO China by NIXON ( part of the globalist agenda ) in the 70s, rather than for you to give the impression that the West are really the ones that are better ( OR BETTER SUITED? ) AT CARRYING OUT those major political material systems that been historically known to the WEST.

    Well, it is clear that this ( a political geo-graphic reference ) is a logical non sequitar following non-sequentially from your argument that the WEST has been tantamount to betterment economically, and that the Communists were tantamount to deprivation economically, given your inherent biases toward a particular path for accounting for material progress.

    Hence, the Chinese case, defeats your argument.

    Finally, what is very clear is that in the absence of fairly strong countervailing, coherent national or internationalist ideological political systems across the world, the globalism/global elites will always perform “better” than if such systems had existed in any other major region of this world – WEST, EAST, NORTH, SOUTH.

    PDC


  16. @PDC and ALL Lefties

    Karl Marx’s wife said ” If Karl invested more time into making DAS KAPITAL rather than writing his book, DAS KAPITAL, his family would have been FAR BETTER OFF”

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    Line 41 down – it should have been after the comma, the following: “would show why….” and not after the comma, the following: “and would show why……..”

    Line 75 down – it should have been, the following: “that part of the significance….”,
    and not the following: “the part of the significance…”

    For us, a line is two words plus a particular letter – most likely a in the English alphabet, and more words ( whatever the shortness or longness of them).

    PDC


  18. @ PDC

    The Western economic/ financial approach has NOT FAILED it is the CROOKS in INVESTMENT BANKING who have paid off the EQUALLY CORRUPT POLITICIANS in GOVT to change the laws and rules developed from the lessons of the GREAT DEPRESSION of the 1930s. For most of the post WW2 period Japan and the West were exceptionally successful at raising the standard of living of their citizens. This has also occurred in Bim.

    The reason for this collapse is CORRUPTION! It is all about GREEDY HUMANS! The lower middle and lower classes were COMPLICIT! (although I dont blame them for falling for the actions of Govt permitted inducements regarding large mortgages, credit cards etc) Nearly everyone wanted the trappings of material possessions they could NOT afford! You must know Bajans who have an expensive BMW nearly as big as their home!

    One of the major problems is that people should receive education about money, budgeting etc at SCHOOL! They should also be educated in how to spot CROOKED POLS who would say and do anything to have the opportunity to THIEF the peoples money ie even tell voters we will have INTEGRITY LEGISLATION. Voters should be cautious of POLS who claim to have some UTOPIAN NONSENSICAL AGENDA! eg geniuses like Manley and Burnham who ruin their countries!


  19. I have been getting quite a bit of feedback, and probably due to my poor writing skills many did not seem to get my argument.

    What did investors, the chinese and others find out about the USA that they did not know at 5PM on Friday gone? If they had serious concerns about the credit quality of US debt what prevented them from using their own judgement and acting accordingly?

    What is so special about this S&P pronouncement except that the requirement to have a particular credit rating has been written into law and various contracts? I think we will see less and less of this and investors using their own judgement along with the Credit ratings.

    And I think thats a good thing. The credeit rating should be one of the things investors use and not have this legal mandate.

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    Moneybrain,

    Just to remark very seriously about the ASSOCIATION ( NOT AN ACCUSATION OR STATEMENT OF FACT THOUGH) that you made above: We ARE NOT lefties, have NEVER BEEN and WILL EVER NEVER BE, okay!!

    We are a people-centered nationalist party.

    Over the past couple of years we have had to correct a number of Barbadians – of various political suasions and intellectual backgrounds, who previously were thinking – out of their own wits – that we were this way.

    Well, for every body sake we are neither LEFT, RIGHT or CENTER.

    We are on the side of what is right and reasonable and what is good and great for the country and for the broad masses and middle classes of this country, socially, politically, materially, etc.

    PDC

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    Moneybrain,

    It would be good if you follow a lot of Green Monkey’s BU posts.

    Many of these same economic financial approaches are based on absolute selfishness, self aggrandisement and corruption laced with thievery and banditry.

    And they are intended – through the school college and university system and through some aspects of the informal education system – in Barbados to condition and or reinforce in the minds of the uncritical and unthinking that these are what is – that they are scientific – unchangeable immutable and insusceptible even to the forces of political imperial change through social conflict or agreement.

    So, how else can TAXATION

    INTEREST RATES

    REPAYABLE INSTITIONAL PRODUCTIVE LOANS

    BUILDING MORTGAGES

    INSURANCE SCHEMES (ALL OF THE PRESENT TYPES)

    HIRE PURCHASE

    WORK,

    and other such things be partially explained.

    While it is true that these vices were around before TAXATION, INTEREST RATES, ETC, a rigorously thorough intellectual search would show that many of these features pre-existed CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM, and certainly did not begin with any changes to the laws and rules developed from the lessons of the Great Depression in the 1930s.

    PDC


  22. @Green Monkey
    Interest on money is RENT. Usury is not the problem. People who are GREEDY and CORRUPT are the problem. In Business and Accounting 101 we learn that even the best small businesses can go under due to OVERTRADING. Trying to grow too fast. People go bankrupt because they want material possessions too quickly. Everytime I went to buy a bigger home I was told that I should buy an even bigger home because of my financial capacity, I never listened stayed conservative because I appreciate that others have their MOTIVATION, NOT my best interest in mind.

    The real question about debt and money creation is” can it be JUSTIFIED”?
    The country needs new schools, new highway etc so we borrow to increase productivity, if this is conducted professionally it will be to the benefit of the people. When pols do this and pay a ridiculously high price for a “white elephant” and thief the money then it obviously is wrong.

    When a family buys a home with a mortgage (NB mort in Latin is DEATH) it works in their favour the vast majority of the time once they have not been ignorant, greedy and permitted themselves to be misled through their own lack of research. My family had a large mortgage in 1950 at 3% for 30 yrs and our home went up in price dramatically by 1980. Who lost? The lender!

    I have a Line of Credit for investment purposes primarily, for more than $1MN which I have had access to for 12yrs, BUT I did NOT rush out to buy the new Mercedes 560SL nor did I buy stocks which were very expensive in 1999 nor 2007. I don’t take stupid risk with my own money far less other peoples.

    The Muslims tend to be against Usury or charging/ paying interest so do they have very successful economies, wealth equality? NO WAY! NOT even the countries FLOATING ON OIL! WHY?
    Greed! Look at Dubai, they were very greedy and overbuilt beyond logic or belief. Lil piss ass country, that itself has lil oil, insists on building the World’s tallest building, The Burj”. GREED and STUPIDITY are a potent and very dangerous mixture.

    The historical system of helping your neighbor has much merit as does barter. So I would encourage Bajans or any group to start a barter coop. We have such in Toronto. My family had breadfruit and limes which we willingly shared with those who asked BUT those who climbed the tree to thief had to endure a couple bullets passing close by.

    The problems of incentive based economies, comes back to poor Govt Policy. Govts should give basic financial education to all students/ citizens.
    Govt should have systems in place to assist the people in terms of education, health care, insurance etc. However, these said systems must be run efficiently and effectively like any other business (ACCOUNTABILITY). Families meeting misfortune would be assisted once their need is GENUINE and they are prepared to work at sensible solutions. This idea of 40yrs on WELFARE is nonsense. ( as is multi generational) Once the state has tried to help people, who then prove that they have no intention of becoming productive members of society then such people should be sent to Labour Camp facilities! Shirkers, not mentally or physically handicapped.

    Debt nullification is great for certain situations eg Haiti. However, in Haiti’s case the 150 families that totally dominate will likely conduct themselves exactly the same in future. So what is required is an outside force to straighten that country out and develop the people, it does not help when you live on the leeward side of 10,000ft mountains and thereby receive inadequate rain. Nor does it help to have catholicism encouraging ridiculous population growth.

    Why should Greece ever be the recipients of debt nullification??????
    In the last 200yrs they have been corrupt! More than 50% of the population do not pay their taxes and we non Greeks should pay for them? MADNESS!


  23. @Moneybrain

    Try using Firefox browser to avoid the moderation queue.


  24. @PDC
    You say you want the best for the people then read the principles I have laid out above!


  25. The story which Green Monkey seems to be sending by his story is the inability of the world to sustain the level of consumption from a space which has finite resources.


  26. @ DR JR
    I agree with your sentiments. However, once we have CRAs then surely they must perform at the highest levels of integrity in every respect.

    I know from interactions with other academics that you have to be very careful how you speak of organisations and Govts. I was trying to make it very clear why CRAs are poor performers.


  27. The Earth does indeed have finite resources and this is precisely why we need proper Statesmen in Govt to lead sensibly. Energy costs are very high in the US (BIM et al) Pollution is a major concern. Yet the US has known for 40yrs+ and has not properly encouraged conservation through smaller cars, alternative energy, nuclear, inter/ intra city transport by trains etc. WHY? OIL $$$$$$ from internal and external sources!

    If the Earth has reached its population limits then be warned that the “culling” is probably operational. Therefore, be wary of Vaccinations, processed foods, drinking water etc as you maybe excess human inventory.
    Why do the ultra rich and powerful need 7 BN people? Nanotech, superfast chips, robotics etc makes the situation even more disadvantagous for the bottom 2BN or more who have no productive role BUT consume finite resources.


  28. @ Green Monkey
    The piece you requested we read stated “one man’s prosperity is another mans poverty” Where is the proof????? Utter nonsense! If I become rich producing Chickens in a competitive situation why does that have to make somebody poor? Indeed it should help to raise the standard of living by producing cheaper food for many. Where do people get these false ideas from??????

    The bottom line is that business oriented Nations have the highest average standard of living! Singapore crushes Cuba! The only people who believe otherwise are failures, plain lazy or incurable blind lefties.


  29. The head of S&P has defended the decision to downgrade the US two trillion dollar mistake not withstanding. In their estimation (opinion) the US deficit will trend upwards for the next decade. If Moodys and Fitch have maintained AAA what is the big deal anyway?


  30. @Moneybrain

    Don’t tell me that you subscribe to conspiracy theories too,Where will the population culling start? China? India? Indonesia? Nigeria?


  31. I think the downgrade can have the effect of triggering a double dip recession. If confidence gets further eroded this is bad in an already wek recovery. Also if teh USA and other major economies opt for more austerity that will also slow growth.

    US stock futures are already plunging. The auusie and NZ currencies have weakened quite a bit against the dollar as well.

    This downgrade was illtimed at best and can do a lot of economic damage,. and much of that damage may well occur outside the USA.


  32. http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/07/markets/world_markets_downgrade/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

    Stock futures sell off in early trading
    By CNNMoney staff August 7, 2011: 6:48 PM ETNEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Stock futures tumbled more than 2% at the start of electronic trading Sunday, signaling a nasty investor reaction to the Standard & Poor’s downgrade of the nation’s debt.

    The reaction of major world markets was scheduled to begin later in the evening.

    182PrintAccording to data from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, S&P 500 futures fell 30 points, or 2.7%. Nasdaq-100 futures contracts slipped 54 points, or 2.5%. Dow Jones industrial average futures were 292 points, or 2.6%, lower.

    The futures were the first gauge of investor sentiment following Friday night’s downgrade, removing the United States’ AAA status for the first time. They give an indication of how investors will react when regular-hours U.S. trading begins at 9:30 a.m. ET Monday.

    Trading began at 6 p.m. ET, two hours before the opening of the key Tokyo stock market.

    Ahead of the start of futures trading, most economists and investment strategists say that while there could be an initial shock, the downgrade itself should not impact markets too much.

    Stocks after the downgrade
    “S&P doesn’t know anything that investors don’t already know, so the downgrade should not change expectations and interest rates,” said Martin Feldstein, Harvard economist and former head of the National Bureau of Economic Research.

    First Published: August 7, 2011: 6:44 PM ET


  33. Tomorrow S&P is set to issue its ratings on a number of government related bonds tomorrow. Bonds issued by states and municipalities may well be downgraded tomorrow. Many US states are already under pressure and have been a major source of job losses. The downgrades may well have more impact on them than federal government securities.

    All in all the prospects for a double dip recession with disastrous consequences for all of us just got a lot bigger.


  34. @Sargeant

    Maybe the culling started already with water fluoridation, H1N1 vaccine and known poisons in certain foods eg HFC…high fructose corn syrop allegedly causes consumers to eat more food, pharmaceutical companies produce statins to reduce cholesterol BUT the evidence shows that since the statins deplete Co enzyme Q10 they cause more heart attacks, indeed Pharmcos have been trying to convince the FDA to extend patents based on the addition of CoQ10.

    I have seen an interview with a MD who said that she had a patient who was very politically powerful and during a chat told her the culling was operational and that the true global controllers (ie NOT Obama et al) thought that they would need about 2BN people in the future not 7+.

    I dont just believe anything BUT it makes sense to be acquainted with info that needs to be monitored, so we may avoid suspected negatives. I did not take the H1N1 vaccine BUT millions rushed to get it even though cursory investigation revealed that the said vaccine was produced without normal processing times. WHY?

    I do believe we need as many people as possible to be monitoring, listening, investigating all the various forms of corruption that is plaguing this Earth. I am in the investment business and always do independent thinking and investigation because the very best liars are in the investment business trying to influence me to recommend crap strategies and products to my clients. Indeed, it works well for me being skeptical because I have trained myself to take a better, differentiated approach to markets.


  35. All predicted by the BU crew!


  36. Clearly if we get a double dip the strategy of the government of Barbados will have to change which was protecting jobs by riding out the recession and racking up a huge deficit in the process.

    There is no more fat in the local economy.

    It is crunch time.

    What is the BLp saying?

    Arthur has been very silent.


  37. For the USA, is it
    – right man, right time
    – right man, wrong time
    – wrong man, wrong time
    – wrong man, right time


  38. @ Moneybrain wrote “the evidence shows that since the statins deplete Co enzyme Q10 they cause more heart attacks,”

    I hope you know what you talkin bout.

    Ever heard of a fella bout hey called Dr.GP?


  39. Will the many Barbadians with US dollars held overseas look to bring that money home?


  40. I hope the Ministry of Agriculture have a good supply of vegetable and fruit seeds.
    There will soon be a rush to Haggat Hall.

    Time to plough some golf courses yet?


  41. @Alien, I promise that I will not take any money out of Barbados.

    Whatever I have in Barbados will stay in Barbados.

    Feel betta now?


  42. Moneybrain

    I am sorry man but you really ain’ no skeptic …! You trying to fool people. Sometimes you is blow hot, and depending on who is the target you is freeze up …! That is my skeptic’s opinion.

    When the culling starts, I hope they put people in the legal advice business at the head of the line (of course followed by sterile macro economists and politicians)!


  43. Interesting to note the economists are saying the US economy is weaker now than it was in 2007.

    Second Recession in U.S. Could Be Worse Than First
    By CATHERINE RAMPELL
    Published: August 7, 2011

    If the economy falls back into recession, as many economists are now warning, the bloodletting could be a lot more painful than the last time around.

    Given the tumult of the Great Recession, this may be hard to believe. But the economy is much weaker than it was at the outset of the last recession in December 2007, with most major measures of economic health — including jobs, incomes, output and industrial production — worse today than they were back then. And growth has been so weak that almost no ground has been recouped, even though a recovery technically started in June 2009.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/a-second-recession-could-be-much-worse-than-the-first.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto


  44. Here are some exchanges among some of Barbados’ finest including the talk show moderator which has come under some criticism by her inclination to be verbose and aloof.
     
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    Lorenzo Harewood
    USA loses its AAA debt rating, China suggests that the world needs a new global currency. No surprise there. Inevitable really.Yesterday at 6:01am ·Like ·


    Veronica Price and 6 others like this.



    Roberta Walcott we know where it is all heading…one world economy…new world economic order….
    Yesterday at 6:09am · Like



    Veronica Price Four years ago I went to N. My ex-husband happens to work in the Stock Exchange. I met up with him at closing time to collect a package for our son and was SHOCKED to see the China Invasionof Wall Street. 80% of those who work on Wall Street and the Stock Exchange are Chinese. I wud hazard a guess tht it’s prolly up to 90% or more by now….
    Yesterday at 6:41am · Like



    Agyeman Kofi So wunna see why the want to destroy Ghadaffi it was his dream as well as a Uninted States of Africa. Will they Bomb China?
    Yesterday at 7:00am · Like



    Leroy McClean America went down a path of service economy and outsourcing production because of cheaper labour costs. If your economy is not producing tangible goods and buying everything you consume from someone else….this is the logical conclusion. Barbados take note.
    Yesterday at 7:25am · Like · 4 people



    Merville M. Cumberbatch ‎& the Japanese? How did they get in their current position? Did they pursue service industries, outsource labour, de-emphasize product innovation and production, & import all their consumables?
    Yesterday at 8:00am · Like



    Leroy McClean
    ‎@ MMC. This one hat fits all response is part of the problem that gets us in difficulties. Because one approach is successful for one country it would be for all. If one approach causes problems for one country it causes problems for all. …See More
    Yesterday at 8:14am · Like



    Michelle Huggins There are times and and seasons for everything under the sun weather it is good or bad and we must all endure to, no matter how mighty with think we are.
    Yesterday at 8:15am · Like · 2 people



    Lorenzo Harewood Its no suprise that so many chinese on Wall street, that country is the single larges shareholder in american companies as well as the single largest holder of UD Debt instruments like T Bills and Bonds. 🙂
    Yesterday at 8:17am · Like



    Agyeman KofiLeroy McClean IS JUST WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE,BUT WILL THOSE WHO HAVE EARS AND EYES IN BARBADOS LISTEN.
    Yesterday at 8:20am · Like



    Leroy McClean Well we will suffer the consequences.
    Yesterday at 8:25am · Like



    Roberta Walcott so what happens if the Chinese economy crashes Lorenzo Harewood, do they take everyone with them including Japan, USA, and UK
    Yesterday at 8:30am · Like



    Lorenzo Harewood Well not all but a considerable chunk. even though the thirst for cheaper chinese goods and raw materials such as green earth is not subsiding. But the world is basically shaping themselves around the emerging economies.
    Yesterday at 8:32am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    Thanks, LMC. I wasn’t applying the one size fits all solution, as I’m sure you weren’t applying the “if the US fails, we’ll fail too” swathe. Actually, I was making exactly the same point that you made in the end. Japan’s economy failed …See More
    Yesterday at 8:40am · Like



    Philip Newman Matthews a global currency , I am all for it , it would stop these hardships that the money traders place on nations , but national pride comes before common sense .and places like Greece , that would not happen if there was the same treatment to Europe as to the 3rd world by the IMF.
    Yesterday at 8:58am · Like



    Al Khemet IF YOU SAW ESOTERIC AGENDA ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NO SURPRISE TO YOU…
    Yesterday at 9:00am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    Wasn’t there a cry a while back that the Japanese were buying up everything in the US – all its landmark buildings in the NYC, etc, before it faltered. The cry then was that the Japanese were taking over the US economy. What will happen to/in China as its average citizen’s standard of living rises and the billion masses start to have higher expectations of their government? What will happen as pressures increase for unionization, fair pay for labour, respect for copyrights and intellectual property and standard business practices? What happens when they are forced to open their currency to standard world market forces and not manipulate it? What happens if their non-traditional world raw material suppliers jack their prices up? What happens if their youth demand a different way of being governed? The future of China is probably more uncertain than the future of the US. But wait, wasn’t Europe set to be the world’s biggest economic bloc with the advent of the EU? What happened to its ascent?
    Yesterday at 9:03am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch It’s your turn BNB. http://tinyurl.com/bankdep​ositfee
    Yesterday at 9:13am · Like



    Maureen P Holder
    The world is concentrating on the crisis in the USA and in the Eurozone but China’s economy is not strong either-China is running a deficit , it is running out of mineral resources and raw materials to sustain its industries and keep its l…See More
    Yesterday at 9:46am · Like · 1 person



    Leroy McClean
    MMC. We are on the same page. Barbados needs to pursue economic policies that suit our environment, our needs and our resources. We educate hundreds of university students every year without a clear plan for their assimilation into the econ…See More
    Yesterday at 9:56am · Like



    Rene Ramdin the problem with currency ,,will be the maintaining of the value
    Yesterday at 10:10am · Like


    David King Globalization i.e. interconnectivity of economies, FIAT. It matters not which economy is strong or weak e.g. a third of China’s foreign investment is in US treasuries, hello? So what is the Barbados going to do, read US-pegged state?
    Yesterday at 10:14am · Like · 2 people



    Leroy McClean Your point David…is????
    Yesterday at 10:18am · Like · 1 person



    Daniel King All across the world I see this quote bearing fruit “One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” – Plato. Artificial systems can only last but so long.
    Yesterday at 10:18am · Like


    David King How long have some of us been preaching to our barren political parties the need to examine how our economy is structured? What is our gold reserves for example? How has Barbados been hedging i.e., our forex holding? People who call ed the talk shows are scoffed at for questioning our strategy defending the BB dollar. We now live in interesting times, it is out of our hands now.
    Yesterday at 10:23am · Like · 1 person



    Rene Ramdin Any System is only as good as its feedback system, and how responsive , the control mechanisms are to that feed back system , if the inputs come too fast to be compensated for by the control system
    Yesterday at 10:25am · Like



    Rene Ramdin the system gets confused and crashes
    Yesterday at 10:26am · Like



    Leroy McClean China will self-destruct for two simple reasons (1) There will eventually be mass uprisings by the people, especially those in rural areas that do no benefit from the economic growth (2) The one child per family policy has lead to widespread female infanticide, thus a shortage of women in the country which will lead to demographic and social problems. On its present path China will implode or explode.
    Yesterday at 10:26am · Like · 1 person



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    ‎@LMC, ain’t that the gospel. It seems folly to be giving tax-funded scholarships based on pure academics when there are pressing needs elsewhere. It seems to me that if you want to pursue cutting edge/future technology, e.g, solar, you sh…See More
    Yesterday at 10:28am · Like · 1 person



    Maureen P Holder
    ‎@Leroy I understand the point you are making but its difficult for a country whose post colonial development was predominately dictated by the direction of a modernists and post modernist developmentalists school of thought to revert -We …See More
    Yesterday at 10:28am · Like


    David King To cut to the point, our country needs leadership, full stop, not purrtty talk. Our people need to understand a democracy is about people participation. Intellectual discourse is fine, and we are fairly good at it, we need to do.
    Yesterday at 10:32am · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    and on top of that the world is fighting the population Bomb predicted in the 1970 , what we are seeing is a resource problem developing , and how to divi up all of them bits and bobs ,, we live on a planet with finite resources and dealing with a Mindset, from the 1800 when people thought , we could just dump our waste in the sea and it would be taken care of , all bets are off and many of the theories now stand discredited , you have to now go back to the drawing board, Just take this to heart , around the world , Many of our fishing stocks are on the verge of collapse , and we still engage in mass consumption , whill make this depleation even worse !
    Yesterday at 10:38am · Like



    Maureen P Holder
    ‎@David please my brother you are engaing in all the talk too, that you dont seem to care for … I dont understand the points you have made ..Please kindly clarify if you will –Dont go off on a tantrum stay on course …Basically -all wh…See More
    Yesterday at 10:39am · Like



    Leroy McClean
    ‎@ Maureen I do not believe that we must be at the mercies of international economic vagaries. Even though we are a part of the international community and not immune from what is happening in the rest of the world, there is a uniqueness ab…See More
    Yesterday at 10:43am · Like · 1 person



    Maureen P Holder ‎@leroy ..ok I hear you.
    Yesterday at 10:46am · Like


    David King
    I along with others have been working overtime for the last 4 years to change the conversation in Barbados. It is interesting that on our blog we have been getting it right on the issues which are now unfolding. Our forecast, the world will…See More

    U.S. loses AAA rating; G7 finance ministers to meet
    http://www.reuters.com
    NEW YORK/ROME (Reuters) – The United States lost its top-tier AAA credit rating …See More
    Yesterday at 10:47am · Like ·



    Maureen P Holder ‎@MMC-hummmh —I am still in doubt about the Singapore model–I hear you and its worth the try–the comparative advantage facilitating model is what countries like Taiwan used and it worked for these countries- Thialand and Hong kong etc -to large extent and Singapore to a lesser extent ..but you might be right MMC -a Barbadian variant of it might not hurt
    Yesterday at 10:49am · Like · 1 person


    David King
    Here is a comment borrowed which some may find useful:”I agree everyone needs some amount of cash in a shoe box for this crises, but the global central banks will never allow the deflation to run its course. How violent the printing will be, is impossible to predict. But don’t expect more than one quarter 10-14 weeks of deflation.This will be the ultimate test to see who can hyperinflate themselves out of this debt crisis, Fed or ECB?but no matter it ends the same way. There is no political will to do otherwise.As for Japan, as monstrous as debt to gdp is, a large part of it is own domestically, also much like South Korea during the 97-98 crisis, Japan has the cultural capacity to act in a nationalistic way. The gross mismanagement of there nuclear asset is the true seppuku.Europe is where the counterparty risks and contagion is greatest, and it is really only a matter of time before one of the large banks fails, with the attendant risk of sovereign default…..this is going to get ugly fast. Yet no matter the s&p downgrade people will still run into U.S treasuries in the shirt term, expect negative interest rates. These predictions are what earn the behaviour economist their due. The herd is just to use to running for T-bills.Cash is for spendingGold is to shuttle wealth over to the otherside of the system reboot but it must be PHYSICAl.Silver may have a play for spending and saving but ultimately will fail for both purposes. Due in part to supply elasticity….and not being able to compete with cash for spending or gold for saving.”
    Yesterday at 10:50am · Like



    Maureen P Holder ‎@ David you see this is where I lose interest in the discussion or anything you have to say .. Dont bother Sir carry on if you must
    Yesterday at 10:51am · Like



    Maureen P Holder ‎@ All-Cheers….Good discussion folks -Thanks Good bye
    Yesterday at 10:53am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    ‎@MPH, I wasn’t so much touting the Singapore Model itself as the idea of researching and developing a model that is best or uniquely suited to us. We have few “traditional” natural resources, which to me has turned out to be a good thing – no bauxite, e.g. that would have locked us into a specific mold. From my layman’s view, we have had to adapt to changing world forces, switching from sugar production to assembly industries (Playtex, Intel) to financial and other services. I don’t think that was by design – more like necessity, but it worked in part. Flat land, great road and utilities network, and solid education were key factors.You raised a valid point – what is our basic economic principle? Even if it is “adaptation”, as silly as that sounds, we have to make sure we have the best adaptors, the best predictors of the need for adaptation and an efficient means to put the structures in place – experiments, tax-incentives, investments, etc. Whatever we do, we have to make sure that it’s not easily duplicated by another island/country with more favourable labour or newer, fancier physical centers. These days I keep hearing talk of sports-tourism, eco-tourism, health-tourism, entertainment-tourism, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. I suppose then that “-tourism” is it. So where are the hospitality infrastructures, schools, scholarships, flag-ship programmes, incentives, targeted markets, advertisements, logo, slogans? We can’t even seem to maintain our manners, the most fundamental element in tourism. Most times innovators implement their plans, tweak as necessary, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. We just seem to hope and hope and blame government.
    Yesterday at 12:11pm · Like · 2 people



    Rene Ramdin
    Learned another word today , after watching “Michael Moor’s” Capitilism a Love story,” Plutocracy”, But I believe this is just a reaction to the impending Disaster , the failure to manage the world’s Resources , till they are depleated to exaustion , and the Population bomb, , take a little time to think about this , if a disaster were to hit the world where we are deprived of power for a significant amount of time , #month perhaps , we will have to return to wiping our collective behinds with rockstones, !
    Yesterday at 12:12pm · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch Rene, why so pessimistic? Don’t underestimate human resourcefulness. We all know that we need to reverse our emphasis on fossil fuels, deforestation, etc. We have infinite resources of the sun, wind and ocean which we are only now beginning to tap. Once upon a time, empires were built on sugar and cotton trading. We survived. We always have. If we don’t… oh well, no one lives forever anyway (lol).
    Yesterday at 12:48pm · Like



    Leotta Richards
    Russian roulette. Cheap economies become rich and then they will be a formidable force to be reckoned with. I do not think that having a large percentage of Chinese in the stock exchange is significant. You have to look at the mind set of people and figure out why. Certain jobs exclude some races. The rest of the world have to be able to think outside the box and outsmart others. Too bad for those who stagnate and hoard they economy. Eventually things would implode and cause a correction.
    Yesterday at 4:50pm · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    Melville , I am usually optimistic,but the reason I am pessimistic, is because I see a senseless killing happening in slow motion, and the safety officers who could have stopped it, do not even recognize the danger,If man kind were just to …See More
    Yesterday at 7:32pm · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    I share your concern, but don’t underestimate nature in fighting back. As a reminder, we still haven’t found a cure for the “common” cold. Also, despite the seeming wanton destruction, don’t let that blind you to all the wonderful work that…See More
    Yesterday at 8:14pm · Like · 1 person



    Rene Ramdin look all in the name of consumptive economic models, we are presiding over the decline of the Shark population ,
    Yesterday at 8:33pm · Like



    Rene Ramdin just for shark fin soup ,
    Yesterday at 8:33pm · Like



    Maureen P Holder
    MMC..I want to comment to see if I could deal with all this negative energy..but what can I say that would really make a difference to the young lady RR so I will leave it alone …all I would say is, dont believe the hype …this old world has been around for millions of years….man didnt create this world and all its inhabitants so mankind cannot destroy it .. we live and then we die …its life…nothing is forever
    23 hours ago · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    the picture the matrix” Agent smith made the observation , that we Humanity do not behave like other mammals , we behave like viruses , we use up all of the resources , and then infect another host ,well at least modern city dwelling man, if we would act in a sustainable way, then we would have a lot less of a problem , but as long as we continue to cut and buzz cut mummy earth like a barber in hairdo shop we will have to live with what ever happens next ! that is not pessimism that is an observation ! there is a difference ,!the problem is we have a lot of Very Smart people denying what is happening, denying Global warming ,,denying deforestation, denying the destruction of indigenous peoples “Oh yes we making them civilazed “even with the data present , the collapse of the pelagic “top” of the chain fish, that feeds us because of Overfishing ! we need to address this ! RR is by the way a Guy” and nature is not just fighting back we have started to unleash systems that we do not even understand ! check the bbc documentary “Global Dimming” on youtube ! Check Dr Albert Bartletts “YouTube Documantery on the”Exponential Function” at least give Dr David Sazuki ,a listen ! Resources, and how we manage them, “Natural that is”
    8 hours ago · Like



    Maureen P Holder Sorry Sir my apologies ..No one can deny any of the information you bring but but we can analyse and question the sources and veracity of the statements ….Not going to though …Mr Smith on the Matrix ? ???? ..Your views Sir, by all means … Cheers
    8 hours ago · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    Rene, I salute your passion. We all could use more of it on issues that matter. However, massive earthquakes, melting icecaps, killer hurricanes and the like are forms of fighting back. The earth is not harmed in the least. It just rearranges itself. We harm ourselves only, but that is your point. Note that the Dodo bird and others have been extinct for eons, yet life continues. I agree that the self-destruction process has been accelerated, but you will not gain too many converts with an impending doom & gloom posture. Relax a little and point to the facts, preferably dehyped. We hear you, really we do, and many of us are altering our lifestyles. Cheer up!
    7 hours ago · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    have you ever haad to install a whole set of Pc and switch gear in a building of finite size “enclosed that is ” and had the air conditioner go off ? the finite size represents the earth”, then add to the equation , you add a couple more Pc’s, now the energy demands go up, the breakers to the ac then trip, the room heats up and the pc’s fail , you have informed management about the problem,”Very Smart people ” but they refuse to acknowledge the problem” failure to understand and plan for the usage of resources ” Gaia is of a finate size ! we are using the the resources at an ever increasing rate, the Us and China are purported to be the largest users of energy in the world , “Physics “we are dumping Heat into the atmosphere” and on top of that a potent set of gases that do not allow latent solar radiation to be reflected out of the atmosphere ! add to that we love to eat meat, which adds to the gas problem, Cows emit potent gasses!, as well as fecal matter from chickens ! I am not saying to act like a chicken with out a head, But to act to understand the problem ! no rocket sciences Needed! recent BBC , Radio Article , a Shell excuative alluded that , they are having to go to more length to dig the oil out of the earth ! Examine it Our collective Econimies run on the byproduct of burning oil ,our businesses use energy to generate data , to record economic activity , take away that now , stone age” do you realise that we just pased the 7billion threshold in population and they depend on the production of nitrates artificialy to feed them, we are playing with a Malthusian meltdown
    7 hours ago · Like



    Rene Ramdin With that I will Relax ! however remember that when you add salt to a glass of water ithe change fro fresh water to undrinkable happens in a flash !
    7 hours ago · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    You are going into overdrive now. We run out of fossil fuels, solar, wind, wave will become affordable. We didn’t always have electricity. The water is too salty to drink, you add some more ingredients to make it epsom salts and use it for soaking away minor pains or for farming salt water fish. The sea water’s too salty to drink, so we use the sea for entertainment. It’s never all or nothing. Chill, chill, chill. Be concerned, educate yourself and others and make adjustments, but live a little in the process. Breathe in! RELAX!!! man. In any event, most people believe they’re going to Heaven anyway. Not you too?
    7 hours ago · Like


    David King
    It is not about negative energy, it is about the reality the world’s economy is about to go to hell in a food basket and we are worried about the flowery language of the argument? It is clear the government of Barbados’ strategy of growing …See More

    China state paper says U.S. failings threaten global recovery
    http://www.reuters.com
    BEIJING (Reuters) – The United States and Europe must summon the political will …See More


  45. Our politicians may be serving other masters and not mainly focused on our wellbeing. It is possible that the wolves have deceived us into ostracizing the sheep. It is possible that those we accept as the good people are really the evil ones, who have convinced us that the truly good people are evil.

    To the politicians and other leaders that have brought us to our present situation:


  46. Here are some exchanges among some of Barbados’ finest including the moderator which has come under some criticism for her inclination to be verbose and aloof.
     
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    Lorenzo Harewood
    USA loses its AAA debt rating, China suggests that the world needs a new global currency. No surprise there. Inevitable really.Yesterday at 6:01am ·Like ·


    Veronica Price and 6 others like this.



    Roberta Walcott we know where it is all heading…one world economy…new world economic order….
    Yesterday at 6:09am · Like



    Veronica Price Four years ago I went to N. My ex-husband happens to work in the Stock Exchange. I met up with him at closing time to collect a package for our son and was SHOCKED to see the China Invasionof Wall Street. 80% of those who work on Wall Street and the Stock Exchange are Chinese. I wud hazard a guess tht it’s prolly up to 90% or more by now….
    Yesterday at 6:41am · Like



    Agyeman Kofi So wunna see why the want to destroy Ghadaffi it was his dream as well as a Uninted States of Africa. Will they Bomb China?
    Yesterday at 7:00am · Like



    Leroy McClean America went down a path of service economy and outsourcing production because of cheaper labour costs. If your economy is not producing tangible goods and buying everything you consume from someone else….this is the logical conclusion. Barbados take note.
    Yesterday at 7:25am · Like · 4 people



    Merville M. Cumberbatch ‎& the Japanese? How did they get in their current position? Did they pursue service industries, outsource labour, de-emphasize product innovation and production, & import all their consumables?
    Yesterday at 8:00am · Like



    Leroy McClean
    ‎@ MMC. This one hat fits all response is part of the problem that gets us in difficulties. Because one approach is successful for one country it would be for all. If one approach causes problems for one country it causes problems for all. …See More
    Yesterday at 8:14am · Like



    Michelle Huggins There are times and and seasons for everything under the sun weather it is good or bad and we must all endure to, no matter how mighty with think we are.
    Yesterday at 8:15am · Like · 2 people



    Lorenzo Harewood Its no suprise that so many chinese on Wall street, that country is the single larges shareholder in american companies as well as the single largest holder of UD Debt instruments like T Bills and Bonds. 🙂
    Yesterday at 8:17am · Like



    Agyeman KofiLeroy McClean IS JUST WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE,BUT WILL THOSE WHO HAVE EARS AND EYES IN BARBADOS LISTEN.
    Yesterday at 8:20am · Like



    Leroy McClean Well we will suffer the consequences.
    Yesterday at 8:25am · Like



    Roberta Walcott so what happens if the Chinese economy crashes Lorenzo Harewood, do they take everyone with them including Japan, USA, and UK
    Yesterday at 8:30am · Like



    Lorenzo Harewood Well not all but a considerable chunk. even though the thirst for cheaper chinese goods and raw materials such as green earth is not subsiding. But the world is basically shaping themselves around the emerging economies.
    Yesterday at 8:32am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    Thanks, LMC. I wasn’t applying the one size fits all solution, as I’m sure you weren’t applying the “if the US fails, we’ll fail too” swathe. Actually, I was making exactly the same point that you made in the end. Japan’s economy failed …See More
    Yesterday at 8:40am · Like



    Philip Newman Matthews a global currency , I am all for it , it would stop these hardships that the money traders place on nations , but national pride comes before common sense .and places like Greece , that would not happen if there was the same treatment to Europe as to the 3rd world by the IMF.
    Yesterday at 8:58am · Like



    Al Khemet IF YOU SAW ESOTERIC AGENDA ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NO SURPRISE TO YOU…
    Yesterday at 9:00am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    Wasn’t there a cry a while back that the Japanese were buying up everything in the US – all its landmark buildings in the NYC, etc, before it faltered. The cry then was that the Japanese were taking over the US economy. What will happen to/in China as its average citizen’s standard of living rises and the billion masses start to have higher expectations of their government? What will happen as pressures increase for unionization, fair pay for labour, respect for copyrights and intellectual property and standard business practices? What happens when they are forced to open their currency to standard world market forces and not manipulate it? What happens if their non-traditional world raw material suppliers jack their prices up? What happens if their youth demand a different way of being governed? The future of China is probably more uncertain than the future of the US. But wait, wasn’t Europe set to be the world’s biggest economic bloc with the advent of the EU? What happened to its ascent?
    Yesterday at 9:03am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch It’s your turn BNB. http://tinyurl.com/bankdep​ositfee
    Yesterday at 9:13am · Like



    Maureen P Holder
    The world is concentrating on the crisis in the USA and in the Eurozone but China’s economy is not strong either-China is running a deficit , it is running out of mineral resources and raw materials to sustain its industries and keep its l…See More
    Yesterday at 9:46am · Like · 1 person



    Leroy McClean
    MMC. We are on the same page. Barbados needs to pursue economic policies that suit our environment, our needs and our resources. We educate hundreds of university students every year without a clear plan for their assimilation into the econ…See More
    Yesterday at 9:56am · Like



    Rene Ramdin the problem with currency ,,will be the maintaining of the value
    Yesterday at 10:10am · Like


    David King Globalization i.e. interconnectivity of economies, FIAT. It matters not which economy is strong or weak e.g. a third of China’s foreign investment is in US treasuries, hello? So what is the Barbados going to do, read US-pegged state?
    Yesterday at 10:14am · Like · 2 people



    Leroy McClean Your point David…is????
    Yesterday at 10:18am · Like · 1 person



    Daniel King All across the world I see this quote bearing fruit “One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” – Plato. Artificial systems can only last but so long.
    Yesterday at 10:18am · Like


    David King How long have some of us been preaching to our barren political parties the need to examine how our economy is structured? What is our gold reserves for example? How has Barbados been hedging i.e., our forex holding? People who call ed the talk shows are scoffed at for questioning our strategy defending the BB dollar. We now live in interesting times, it is out of our hands now.
    Yesterday at 10:23am · Like · 1 person



    Rene Ramdin Any System is only as good as its feedback system, and how responsive , the control mechanisms are to that feed back system , if the inputs come too fast to be compensated for by the control system
    Yesterday at 10:25am · Like



    Rene Ramdin the system gets confused and crashes
    Yesterday at 10:26am · Like



    Leroy McClean China will self-destruct for two simple reasons (1) There will eventually be mass uprisings by the people, especially those in rural areas that do no benefit from the economic growth (2) The one child per family policy has lead to widespread female infanticide, thus a shortage of women in the country which will lead to demographic and social problems. On its present path China will implode or explode.
    Yesterday at 10:26am · Like · 1 person



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    ‎@LMC, ain’t that the gospel. It seems folly to be giving tax-funded scholarships based on pure academics when there are pressing needs elsewhere. It seems to me that if you want to pursue cutting edge/future technology, e.g, solar, you sh…See More
    Yesterday at 10:28am · Like · 1 person



    Maureen P Holder
    ‎@Leroy I understand the point you are making but its difficult for a country whose post colonial development was predominately dictated by the direction of a modernists and post modernist developmentalists school of thought to revert -We …See More
    Yesterday at 10:28am · Like


    David King To cut to the point, our country needs leadership, full stop, not purrtty talk. Our people need to understand a democracy is about people participation. Intellectual discourse is fine, and we are fairly good at it, we need to do.
    Yesterday at 10:32am · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    and on top of that the world is fighting the population Bomb predicted in the 1970 , what we are seeing is a resource problem developing , and how to divi up all of them bits and bobs ,, we live on a planet with finite resources and dealing with a Mindset, from the 1800 when people thought , we could just dump our waste in the sea and it would be taken care of , all bets are off and many of the theories now stand discredited , you have to now go back to the drawing board, Just take this to heart , around the world , Many of our fishing stocks are on the verge of collapse , and we still engage in mass consumption , whill make this depleation even worse !
    Yesterday at 10:38am · Like



    Maureen P Holder
    ‎@David please my brother you are engaing in all the talk too, that you dont seem to care for … I dont understand the points you have made ..Please kindly clarify if you will –Dont go off on a tantrum stay on course …Basically -all wh…See More
    Yesterday at 10:39am · Like



    Leroy McClean
    ‎@ Maureen I do not believe that we must be at the mercies of international economic vagaries. Even though we are a part of the international community and not immune from what is happening in the rest of the world, there is a uniqueness ab…See More
    Yesterday at 10:43am · Like · 1 person



    Maureen P Holder ‎@leroy ..ok I hear you.
    Yesterday at 10:46am · Like


    David King
    I along with others have been working overtime for the last 4 years to change the conversation in Barbados. It is interesting that on our blog we have been getting it right on the issues which are now unfolding. Our forecast, the world will…See More

    U.S. loses AAA rating; G7 finance ministers to meet
    http://www.reuters.com
    NEW YORK/ROME (Reuters) – The United States lost its top-tier AAA credit rating …See More
    Yesterday at 10:47am · Like ·



    Maureen P Holder ‎@MMC-hummmh —I am still in doubt about the Singapore model–I hear you and its worth the try–the comparative advantage facilitating model is what countries like Taiwan used and it worked for these countries- Thialand and Hong kong etc -to large extent and Singapore to a lesser extent ..but you might be right MMC -a Barbadian variant of it might not hurt
    Yesterday at 10:49am · Like · 1 person


    David King
    Here is a comment borrowed which some may find useful:”I agree everyone needs some amount of cash in a shoe box for this crises, but the global central banks will never allow the deflation to run its course. How violent the printing will be, is impossible to predict. But don’t expect more than one quarter 10-14 weeks of deflation.This will be the ultimate test to see who can hyperinflate themselves out of this debt crisis, Fed or ECB?but no matter it ends the same way. There is no political will to do otherwise.As for Japan, as monstrous as debt to gdp is, a large part of it is own domestically, also much like South Korea during the 97-98 crisis, Japan has the cultural capacity to act in a nationalistic way. The gross mismanagement of there nuclear asset is the true seppuku.Europe is where the counterparty risks and contagion is greatest, and it is really only a matter of time before one of the large banks fails, with the attendant risk of sovereign default…..this is going to get ugly fast. Yet no matter the s&p downgrade people will still run into U.S treasuries in the shirt term, expect negative interest rates. These predictions are what earn the behaviour economist their due. The herd is just to use to running for T-bills.Cash is for spendingGold is to shuttle wealth over to the otherside of the system reboot but it must be PHYSICAl.Silver may have a play for spending and saving but ultimately will fail for both purposes. Due in part to supply elasticity….and not being able to compete with cash for spending or gold for saving.”
    Yesterday at 10:50am · Like



    Maureen P Holder ‎@ David you see this is where I lose interest in the discussion or anything you have to say .. Dont bother Sir carry on if you must
    Yesterday at 10:51am · Like



    Maureen P Holder ‎@ All-Cheers….Good discussion folks -Thanks Good bye
    Yesterday at 10:53am · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    ‎@MPH, I wasn’t so much touting the Singapore Model itself as the idea of researching and developing a model that is best or uniquely suited to us. We have few “traditional” natural resources, which to me has turned out to be a good thing – no bauxite, e.g. that would have locked us into a specific mold. From my layman’s view, we have had to adapt to changing world forces, switching from sugar production to assembly industries (Playtex, Intel) to financial and other services. I don’t think that was by design – more like necessity, but it worked in part. Flat land, great road and utilities network, and solid education were key factors.You raised a valid point – what is our basic economic principle? Even if it is “adaptation”, as silly as that sounds, we have to make sure we have the best adaptors, the best predictors of the need for adaptation and an efficient means to put the structures in place – experiments, tax-incentives, investments, etc. Whatever we do, we have to make sure that it’s not easily duplicated by another island/country with more favourable labour or newer, fancier physical centers. These days I keep hearing talk of sports-tourism, eco-tourism, health-tourism, entertainment-tourism, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. I suppose then that “-tourism” is it. So where are the hospitality infrastructures, schools, scholarships, flag-ship programmes, incentives, targeted markets, advertisements, logo, slogans? We can’t even seem to maintain our manners, the most fundamental element in tourism. Most times innovators implement their plans, tweak as necessary, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. We just seem to hope and hope and blame government.
    Yesterday at 12:11pm · Like · 2 people



    Rene Ramdin
    Learned another word today , after watching “Michael Moor’s” Capitilism a Love story,” Plutocracy”, But I believe this is just a reaction to the impending Disaster , the failure to manage the world’s Resources , till they are depleated to exaustion , and the Population bomb, , take a little time to think about this , if a disaster were to hit the world where we are deprived of power for a significant amount of time , #month perhaps , we will have to return to wiping our collective behinds with rockstones, !
    Yesterday at 12:12pm · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch Rene, why so pessimistic? Don’t underestimate human resourcefulness. We all know that we need to reverse our emphasis on fossil fuels, deforestation, etc. We have infinite resources of the sun, wind and ocean which we are only now beginning to tap. Once upon a time, empires were built on sugar and cotton trading. We survived. We always have. If we don’t… oh well, no one lives forever anyway (lol).
    Yesterday at 12:48pm · Like



    Leotta Richards
    Russian roulette. Cheap economies become rich and then they will be a formidable force to be reckoned with. I do not think that having a large percentage of Chinese in the stock exchange is significant. You have to look at the mind set of people and figure out why. Certain jobs exclude some races. The rest of the world have to be able to think outside the box and outsmart others. Too bad for those who stagnate and hoard they economy. Eventually things would implode and cause a correction.
    Yesterday at 4:50pm · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    Melville , I am usually optimistic,but the reason I am pessimistic, is because I see a senseless killing happening in slow motion, and the safety officers who could have stopped it, do not even recognize the danger,If man kind were just to …See More
    Yesterday at 7:32pm · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    I share your concern, but don’t underestimate nature in fighting back. As a reminder, we still haven’t found a cure for the “common” cold. Also, despite the seeming wanton destruction, don’t let that blind you to all the wonderful work that…See More
    Yesterday at 8:14pm · Like · 1 person



    Rene Ramdin look all in the name of consumptive economic models, we are presiding over the decline of the Shark population ,
    Yesterday at 8:33pm · Like



    Rene Ramdin just for shark fin soup ,
    Yesterday at 8:33pm · Like



    Maureen P Holder
    MMC..I want to comment to see if I could deal with all this negative energy..but what can I say that would really make a difference to the young lady RR so I will leave it alone …all I would say is, dont believe the hype …this old world has been around for millions of years….man didnt create this world and all its inhabitants so mankind cannot destroy it .. we live and then we die …its life…nothing is forever
    23 hours ago · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    the picture the matrix” Agent smith made the observation , that we Humanity do not behave like other mammals , we behave like viruses , we use up all of the resources , and then infect another host ,well at least modern city dwelling man, if we would act in a sustainable way, then we would have a lot less of a problem , but as long as we continue to cut and buzz cut mummy earth like a barber in hairdo shop we will have to live with what ever happens next ! that is not pessimism that is an observation ! there is a difference ,!the problem is we have a lot of Very Smart people denying what is happening, denying Global warming ,,denying deforestation, denying the destruction of indigenous peoples “Oh yes we making them civilazed “even with the data present , the collapse of the pelagic “top” of the chain fish, that feeds us because of Overfishing ! we need to address this ! RR is by the way a Guy” and nature is not just fighting back we have started to unleash systems that we do not even understand ! check the bbc documentary “Global Dimming” on youtube ! Check Dr Albert Bartletts “YouTube Documantery on the”Exponential Function” at least give Dr David Sazuki ,a listen ! Resources, and how we manage them, “Natural that is”
    8 hours ago · Like



    Maureen P Holder Sorry Sir my apologies ..No one can deny any of the information you bring but but we can analyse and question the sources and veracity of the statements ….Not going to though …Mr Smith on the Matrix ? ???? ..Your views Sir, by all means … Cheers
    8 hours ago · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    Rene, I salute your passion. We all could use more of it on issues that matter. However, massive earthquakes, melting icecaps, killer hurricanes and the like are forms of fighting back. The earth is not harmed in the least. It just rearranges itself. We harm ourselves only, but that is your point. Note that the Dodo bird and others have been extinct for eons, yet life continues. I agree that the self-destruction process has been accelerated, but you will not gain too many converts with an impending doom & gloom posture. Relax a little and point to the facts, preferably dehyped. We hear you, really we do, and many of us are altering our lifestyles. Cheer up!
    7 hours ago · Like



    Rene Ramdin
    have you ever haad to install a whole set of Pc and switch gear in a building of finite size “enclosed that is ” and had the air conditioner go off ? the finite size represents the earth”, then add to the equation , you add a couple more Pc’s, now the energy demands go up, the breakers to the ac then trip, the room heats up and the pc’s fail , you have informed management about the problem,”Very Smart people ” but they refuse to acknowledge the problem” failure to understand and plan for the usage of resources ” Gaia is of a finate size ! we are using the the resources at an ever increasing rate, the Us and China are purported to be the largest users of energy in the world , “Physics “we are dumping Heat into the atmosphere” and on top of that a potent set of gases that do not allow latent solar radiation to be reflected out of the atmosphere ! add to that we love to eat meat, which adds to the gas problem, Cows emit potent gasses!, as well as fecal matter from chickens ! I am not saying to act like a chicken with out a head, But to act to understand the problem ! no rocket sciences Needed! recent BBC , Radio Article , a Shell excuative alluded that , they are having to go to more length to dig the oil out of the earth ! Examine it Our collective Econimies run on the byproduct of burning oil ,our businesses use energy to generate data , to record economic activity , take away that now , stone age” do you realise that we just pased the 7billion threshold in population and they depend on the production of nitrates artificialy to feed them, we are playing with a Malthusian meltdown
    7 hours ago · Like



    Rene Ramdin With that I will Relax ! however remember that when you add salt to a glass of water ithe change fro fresh water to undrinkable happens in a flash !
    7 hours ago · Like



    Merville M. Cumberbatch
    You are going into overdrive now. We run out of fossil fuels, solar, wind, wave will become affordable. We didn’t always have electricity. The water is too salty to drink, you add some more ingredients to make it epsom salts and use it for soaking away minor pains or for farming salt water fish. The sea water’s too salty to drink, so we use the sea for entertainment. It’s never all or nothing. Chill, chill, chill. Be concerned, educate yourself and others and make adjustments, but live a little in the process. Breathe in! RELAX!!! man. In any event, most people believe they’re going to Heaven anyway. Not you too?
    7 hours ago · Like


    David King
    It is not about negative energy, it is about the reality the world’s economy is about to go to hell in a food basket and we are worried about the flowery language of the argument? It is clear the government of Barbados’ strategy of growing …See More

    China state paper says U.S. failings threaten global recovery
    http://www.reuters.com
    BEIJING (Reuters) – The United States and Europe must summon the political will …See More


  47. David | August 7, 2011 at 8:46 PM | “Here are some exchanges among some of Barbados’ finest …”

    Barbados’ finest – like I said, it is possible that the wolves have deceived us into ostracizing the sheep. It is possible that those we accept as the good people are really the evil ones, who have convinced us that the truly good people are evil.


  48. Asian stock markets are falling, dollar declining against yen and swiaa franc, while aussie and new zealand currencies fall against dollar.

    Tomorrow will be a most interesting trading day.

    The fall in commodity based curencies like the australian dollar suggest that investors are expecting a further global economic slowdown.

    Will the Japanese and swiss central banks allow their currencies to strengthen and some investors seek to move from the dollar?

    These times are getting a bit too interesting for me.

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