Barbadians – A Proud People

Submitted by Andrew Nehaul

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.The Barbados Coat of Arms bears the words ”Pride and Industry” but what exactly can we say about Bajans. They are proud of their country but don’t really show it like others do.

In most developed countries, one can see their citizens bearing their flag with pride on their cars, houses, shirts and other possessions – but not in Barbados. Let us change this by feeling better about ourselves and our Country.  This beautiful  flag is comprised of a deep blue, golden yellow and striking black. Together they blend to make a fantastic hue which as a Bajan emanates into an inward glow which can only be the pride to which the Coat of Arms refers.  This is especially so when one is away from Barbados!

Politics aside for a moment. Let us put BARBADOS first! Let us be Barbadians and then political pundits second or third.

Why not let us do the following:

  • Let every house, dwelling, apartment, office, abode etc. fly the Barbados flag proudly. Up at sunrise and down at sunset
  • Every car should bear a bumper sticker with the flag and a text “Proud to be Bajan”
  • Print tee shirts with a LARGE flag and the word Barbados using the current BTA Logo
  • Every website with the domain .bb and official websites should carry the Barbados flag on the index page. There is none today even on http://www.visitbarbados.org/ or http://www.gisbarbados.gov.bb/  A part of the flag is found on http://www.foreign.gov.bb/
  • Every product produced in Barbados should have the flag and words “Produced in Barbados”
  • Arrivals at Grantley Adams Airport and the port should be greeted by a large Barbados flag (in good repair)
  • The Police and fire service uniforms should carry a small flag
  • The flag is and should be the property of ALL Bajans.  Both externally and in their hearts
  • It should be illegal to burn the flag. It should not be denigrated  or desecrated

Barbados has never had a catastrophe therefore the feeling of rallying around the flag has never been in question but do we really need this to put Barbados first? I think not.

Let the blue, yellow and black fly freely over these 166 sq. miles.

110 thoughts on “Barbadians – A Proud People


  1. My two cents worth

    Why not let us do the following:

    Every house dwelling building have a clean green space with a tree or trees.

    Every business give good service and value for money

    Government remove the vat on food and utility bills.

    Grow more food to reduce our import food bill.

    Stop the banks from digging out we eye with nonsensical fees.

    Regulate lawyers and doctors fees

    Get rid of the pests that roam our beaches posing as vendors.

    Clean up the capital Bridgetown

    Have a proper garbage collection service for ALL of the island

    Prosecute those who dump illegally

    Rid the island of dangerous chemicals

    Stop growing sugarcane for export and start producing by products for export


  2. Politics aside for a moment. Let us put BARBADOS first! Let us be Barbadians and then political pundits second or third.

    —————-
    you dont just arrive at such a position by saying Lets us —there is no magic word —-
    you have to do but first you have to identify the problem, the solution and what it must take to solve the problem.

    we have serious issues that are not being dealt with at any level—so come again
    This IS BARE USELESS TALK


  3. Barbadians in general seem to think that patriotism abounds only around November, during the month of independence celebrations. Walking around Bridgetown one is more likely to see an abundance of people wearing shirts proclaiming “I Love NY” rather than any with the islands colours or motto.
    The livery of the State -owned Transport Board comprise the national colours of Barbados, yet daily we see many of these buses running around with large advertisings superimposed on the national colours. This is an insult to our national colours, and an indication that commerce, ie making money, takes precedence over a sense of patriotism. If the Transport Board must advertise, let it revert to its original red livery.


    • @Tina Roach

      How do you think the awareness begins?

      By talking about it.

      By using symbols etc.


  4. @ Islandgal. I couldnot agree with you more.I for one is not a flag waver and detest nationalism to the core. I consider myself a citizen of the world just enjoying the little time I have on this insignificant place called earth.


    • @40 acres

      Being a citizen of the world does not preclude one from being patriotic and proud of ones birthplace.

      It is that sentiment which drives the individual to be the best that they can be.

      Is it not amazing that most individuals from other countries thrive and root their success in being patriots but a Bajan can always rationalize the benefits of assimilating into other cultures?

      Oh no 40 acres we have to disagree.


  5. “Let every house, dwelling, apartment, office, abode etc. fly the Barbados flag proudly. Up at sunrise and down at sunset” right at the top of the list.. dis aint North Korea … this is chauvinism .. are we under attack ? the only thing flying in my house will be my underware out to get some sun


    • @Bush Tea

      The last 15 years Barbadians were intoxicated by greed stimulated by the economic boom.

      We are in a different time which hopefully will act as an epiphany for a changed mentality.


  6. I will raise the flag for a cleaner, greener and a better service Barbados. I will not raise it for mediocrity that has been the bar level for many years.


  7. Typical Bajan response….. expected it to come from Hants …..LOL

    Let us say the ‘right things’
    let us wave the flag
    let us feel good about ourselves
    …..and all will be well.

    Skipper, (as Islandgal says,) we need to DO the right things first…. then it becomes natural to ‘show’ and ‘wave’ and feel good….

    ….for example, there is nothing more sickening than people talking bout ‘rallying round the West Indies’ when the ‘WI’ represent themselves as a bunch of low class jokers….from the Board to the ground staff.

    What pride what??!!
    …in people who after decades of independence, ‘development’, and education;
    – sell their land to the highest bidder, and now complaining bout high taxes
    -sell their bank and businesses to people who would not even sign a fishing agreement with them
    -sell their telecom company to the same white capitalist who used their fore parents as slaves
    – sell their sole electric company to different white capitalists for 25 pieces of silver per share

    What wave what flag what??!!
    ….we should be waving sack cloth and ashes…..and we will be – soon.


  8. May I say that flag waving is the last recourse of the lazy thinker? First develop oneself, only then can you be of help to the herd!


  9. islandgal246 | July 3, 2011 at 11:07 AM | My two cents worth
    Why not let us do the following:
    Every house dwelling building have a clean green space with a tree or trees.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    GOB has entered into some form of contract with private developers which promote zero lot size.

    If this is the way of the future there is little chance of planting trees on individual lots.

    Pass up the ABC Highway and have a look at the new concept in action, if you can.

    It makes me sick to look so I will understand if you don’t.


  10. My experience suggests that Barbadians are very proud of our Nation and its progress over the last 44.6 yrs. Indeed maybe so proud that we forget that the basis for superior performance is grounded in constructive and straightforward assessment and criticism. Yes Bim has exceeded the averages of most other Nations independent of their colonisers, BUT has Bim performed to her full potential?

    Food production has not met with reasonable expectations, WHY? Is this because agriculture has negative connotations due to its perceived links to slavery? Therefore, it is not politically positive to push the food production issues to resolution. Surely the vast majority of issues have a solution eg monkeys,(cull), predial larceny (prevention and strict justice, it is NOT some poor hungry victim thiefing to survive). There are many other sectors where Bim can increase its performance.

    @Andrew
    Bajans can be aggressively proud as we witnessed a few weeks back with the “WAR” with Jamaicans over the alleged treatment of Ms M at GAIA. This site was HOT, vitriolic no less. Bajans here were somewhat overboard slicing and dicing!

    @Amusing
    I trust that your underwear will NOT be blocking the SUN?

    @40 Acres
    While I agree that senseless and cosmetic utilisation of the flag is pointless without first setting policies/ strategies for improvement, I must say that over 90% of my adult life has been spent out of Bdos BUT I feel as emotionally attached as I did on Nov 30th 1966. What happened to you????????


  11. @ BushTea
    Thanks for enlightening me to the fact that the purchasers of the telephone company have an average age of well over 200yrs, I would never have guessed since my only clue were passages in the Bible.
    Surely the judgement on any sale is the price exacted??????????? Did the vendors receive far above fair value or not??????


  12. Bush Tea | July 3, 2011 at 12:30 PM |
    “Typical Bajan response….. expected it to come from Hants.”

    Bush Tea wha de brass bowl you call my name fuh. I doan rice at you.lol

    Now dat is a typical Bajan response.


    • @40 acres

      Understand your reasoning but how can you conjure up a patriotic feeling at the O;Olympics but stunt it in other spheres of life?


  13. @David and Money Brain. Let’s just say I have evolved beyond the the pettiness and triviality of rallying around anybodies flag, because I am always looking at the BIGGER picture in life. I guess you can say I was bitten by the bug of anti-politcs, anti-religion and anti-nationalism after doing some work in cosmology and after reading a lot about Albert Einstein . Einstein detest Nationalism and flag waving because he sees what it did to Germany and was never a supporter initially of Zionist Israel. Every country on the face of this earth feels they are better than their other neighbours. I donot know about you, but this national pride thing is for people who are suffring from an inferiority complex. Eg.In New york city, every other country wants their own parade day ( Puerto Rico, Dominica, Hiati, Irish, etc). Absurd and ludicrous if you ask me. Because Puerto Rican and Dominician donot see themselves as West indian so they opt for their own parade day.Silly. It is this misplaced sense of flag waving why we in the caribbean will never be a united front.The only type of flag waving and natiionalism I will tolerate or support is during the Olympics.


  14. I was involved in the independence parade in 1966 at the Garrison, however, my feeling of patiorism, though still very strong, has dwindled. When I see people thar should know better for self gain, will use his/her own citizens, people who once they get a little “power” will drive around as though they are the “king” of their country, these things gobble my mind.. Too many of our administrators, who are the product of “free education” , who were otherwise destined to work in the canefields with their parents or at best become a carpenter, mason, or machinic, now see themselves as superior beings and look down that the people they grow up with as lessor beings than themselves. These are some of the things that has caused my partiorism to dwindle, even though I LOVE my country dearly.


  15. @40acres and Scout
    Very good points of which I totally have considered previously and yes these factors bother me too. Maybe it is because I dont live at home ( BIM) and so dont have to face these factors on a daily basis.
    Please be cautious of becoming too cynical, it is unlikely to aid your health.


  16. @Scout , I share your feelings.In conjunction with the flying of the Broken Trident, we shout to the top of our voices about ”These field and hills beyond recall, are now our very own,” topped off about being “Firm craftsmen of our fate” But the truth is that for the majority of Barbadians we still do not own those hills and fields, and others, mostly from outside are really the Craftymen of our fate.


  17. To me being pariotic is being able to control my country”s destiny and that is by voting.. There is no other bigger and better patriotic act than that. The power by which ever citizen has in their hands with the vote controls and determines the countrys failures and successes. Next belection be patriotic go and vote.


  18. Quite frankly I wouldn’t want to see our flag flying at every house everyday of the year because that would look really weird indeed. What I would like to see and hear are the words to our national anthem being sung at events, rather than just hearing the instrumental alone. I’ve won bets in rumshops that the average bajan adult cannot remember and sing all the words of our national anthem without messing it up, and were more likely to know all the words of the Star Spangled Banner.


  19. @David. I guess because the Olympics comes every four years and I am a big track and field fan. LOL. What I meant though was that I am not bothered as much when people celebrate in this fashion because at the olympics you cannot represent yourself per se but your country. So I will give that a pass. Like in life their is an exception for everything.

    @MoneyBrainer. Thanks for the advice.


  20. Andrew Nehaul
    Your two posts on this blog were all about positive thinking but as usual there are some people on this blog who would throw cold water on any idea to make Barbados a better place. They are either looking back, passing the buck, blaming others or confusing the issues for e.g. Tina Roach. But what do you expect from a person who projected the end of the world just months earlier.
    Keep putting forward your ideas and one day coming soon you may see some good results.


  21. @Zack
    The naitonal anthem is only supposed to be played or sung at national events. You may wish to check the protocal section of the ministry of fx.

    I must admit to u, i probably would not remember all the words, but i am fiercely nationalistic. We have to start in the schoolsd, socialising the children about what it is to be nationalistic. We have to take an approach like america, some years i sat in a class room in america and heard a professor stated that they give scholarships to socialise people to their way of thinking, because when those person reach the decision making process in their respective countries, invariably they look at america in a positive light. Think about that for a while.

    When i first started to work, every department ministry use to have a flag raised in the morning and lowered in the evening. do you see it happening. and the flag is not supposed to touch the ground. there is disrepect for our flag, no flag should fly higher than our flag, and i have seen that happens on occasion, but, when i do see it, i insist that the our natioonal flage be given its respect.

    some years ago, i went to a regianal volley ball event, and a youngster refused to stand for the natioanl athem, i shouted so loud that he got up. Our values are being eroded by the infiltration of certaiin cultures and the bad boy and bad guy approach seem to reject order and discipline. Before we can treat the symptoms, we need to understand why there is this decadent approach towards things barbadians and the embracing of thing from over and away with realtive ease.


  22. @ac | July 3, 2011 at 4:00 PM | The power by which ever citizen has in their hands with the vote controls and determines the countrys failures and successes.
    =================
    Have you given serious thought to your statement above? You can only vote for a personparty to take office, but you have no control over what that personparty does or doesn’t do after taking office. I was expecting integrity legislation to be on the books by now.


  23. just only asking | July 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM | @Zack
    The naitonal anthem is only supposed to be played or sung at national events. You may wish to check the protocal section of the ministry of fx.
    ================
    Are you missing my point or what. I said I’d like to hear the words being sung and not just the instrumental music being played. When last have you heard anybody sing the words of our national anthem at ANY event…national or otherwise?


  24. It’s ok to be nationalistic to a certain degree, but we should be sober and humble enough to understand that we are not a self-sufficient country. We’re very inter-dependent on others and should always show some humility. The day we’re hit by a major hurricane or possibly an earthquake, I’m sure that’s the day we’ll be welcoming our Caribbean neighbours to come and offer any assistance they can.


  25. My dear Zack The power of the vote is controlling in that we can always throw out the bums and replaced them unless one wishes to be a political yardfowl. My statement stands as is . . Only if it reminds us all that patriotism does not mean loyalty to anyone political party or entity.The keys are in the hands of “US” the people if only we would use them wisely. As for me i know how to deal with those politicians who have violated my trust in them by abusing my vote. I can wave the Flag all i want . But patriotism beings with love of one country and not love of Party


  26. I hear a man, talking bout raising the flag
    Again and again, reasons all good
    I hear a man faising he flag
    Wishing and wishing I too would

    Whoa bama lam, Whoa bamba lam

    I hear a man, telling me to raise for pride
    When all I know, is de Guvment tekking we fuh a ride
    Deh keep raising taxes and I gotta live
    In this fair land, all I do is give and give

    Raise my flag, doan shake muh rag

    Dey does mek me pay, fuh de drugs ting
    Expect that wid higher, I still got bling
    Dey does mek me vote, but nothing change
    De food cost summuch, I soon going got de mange

    And he tell me, raise muh flag, raise muh flag

    De guvment cant even pay, al barack
    Living on he land, ignoring de man
    Cases tek suh long and tings suh slack
    And all I does look forward to is the Crop Over band

    But he tell me, raise my flag, raise it high
    If I do, we going fly and fly

    I remember, a bet-ter time
    When pon evenings, I uses tuh lime
    Playing cric-ket an dominoes
    Now every last man, just watch tv an in their size, it shows

    But, he tell me tuh raise muh flag, it going do well
    It going make things better and make things sell
    As if I, aint got no pride, I been working day and noght
    Hoping upon hopin, things In Bim become right

    Raise yuh flag and throw away de rag

    But if this is true, we gotta stop, listening to polit-icans
    Who make promises based upon lies
    Where is de transparency and clar-ity
    I am a proud Bajan, I want truth and work, not char-ity

    And all, he asking, pam de lam, is for me tuh raise muh flag

    It will take, a whole lot more
    To make things work bout here
    It will take integrity and transpareny first and fore
    To make us think pride and truth gone clear

    But let me say, raise yuh flag, because I am a proud bajan
    And bout Bim, I am going tuh brag

    (c) Bentwood 2011


  27. Every licence plate should bear the Barbados flag and the national motto – “Pride and Industry”. Every American state and Canadian Province produce licence plates with their flag and motto, and you can’t follow another car without reading that – and after a while it makes a difference.

    I also like the mandatory “Made In Barbados” sticker or imprint on every product made in Bim – now that’s pride IN industry!!


  28. I note the article on the ‘other site’ referencing the sado etc etc….image of a star and Barbados male issues etc etc.

    Therefore, if we have indeed moved from Pride and Industry or as above poster recommends, Pride In Industry and are not making headway in moving back, might a suitable and relevant national motto now be..

    ‘Barbados – Land of the Big Bamboo’?

    And, certainly that might be a motto that is somewhat easier to hold erect and firm (as Lowdown might say).


  29. If one is a young Barbadian of humble parentage, of “average” intelligence, law abiding, well mannered (as most of our young people are), with no exceptional talent or beauty, no legacy of portions of land, no inheritance of money, no personal connections to those in political and economic power and no other nationality or residence status in any other country … what (on the balance of probability) does the future hold for you in Barbados?

    Andrew Nehaul (like so many others) is so proud of Barbados that he lives in Sweden.


  30. The naitonal anthem is only supposed to be played or sung at national events. You may wish to check the protocal section of the ministry of fx.

    I must admit to u, i probably would not remember all the words, but i am fiercely nationalistic. We have to start in the schoolsd, socialising the children about what it is to be nationalistic. We have to take an approach like america, some years i sat in a class room in america and heard a professor stated that they give scholarships to socialise people to their way of thinking, because when those person reach the decision making process in their respective countries, invariably they look at america in a positive light. Think about that for a while.

    When i first started to work, every department ministry use to have a flag raised in the morning and lowered in the evening. do you see it happening. and the flag is not supposed to touch the ground. there is disrepect for our flag, no flag should fly higher than our flag, and i have seen that happens on occasion, but, when i do see it, i insist that the our natioonal flage be given its respect.

    some years ago, i went to a regianal volley ball event, and a youngster refused to stand for the natioanl athem, i shouted so loud that he got up. Our values are being eroded by the infiltration of certaiin cultures and the bad boy and bad guy approach seem to reject order and discipline. Before we can treat the symptoms, we need to understand why there is this decadent approach towards things barbadians and the embracing of thing from over and away with realtive ease.


  31. Pride and Industry Hmmmm………

    Empty fried chicken containers littering the roadways,,,,,Plastic cups thrown willy nilly out on the highways,,,Plastic forks and knives everywhere,,,Paper napkins flowering in every conceivable area,,,,dead this and dead that along the way,,,Old fridges and stoves and beds and household implements in our sacred gullys,,,,etc,,,OH YEEESSS SUCH PRIDE!!!!!!!

    Hardback strong men liming under breadfruit trees while we import Foreign Labour,,,,,Attitude at the checkout counters,,,Army of Occupation(According to Hon.Errol Barrow),,,And Oh YEESS Industry.HMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!


  32. @ac | July 3, 2011 at 4:58 PM | My dear Zack The power of the vote is controlling in that we can always throw out the bums and replaced them unless one wishes to be a political yardfowl.
    ====================
    All we do is go from one set of “bums”, as you call them, to another set. And each set of bums are guaranteed at lease 5 years to do as they please when we vote them in. We don’t have alot of say in the matter regardless of which set we vote in or vote out.


    • Maybe just maybe if we become a little more patriotic the very politicians who would be selected from the pool would be more amenable to representing the people in a more relevant way.

      The reason why using the symbols of the flag is important is that it generates awareness, when the awareness level goes up then the number of symbols would not necessarily be required.

      With awareness will trigger the cognitive and hopefully action will follow.

      No wonder when one of our CARIFTA athletes won gold medal this year a Bajan flag was not immediately available to use in his celebration. The Jamaicans and Trinis had no such issues.

      Bajans we are so educated but we just don’t get it, even the Guyanese in Barbados go out and support its national team against Barbados with Guyanese flags and Bajan flags can hardly be seen.


  33. @Ping Pong…..”Andrew Nehaul (like so many others) is so proud of Barbados that he lives in Sweden.” My thoughts exactly!


    • How many Bajans had to leave Barbados for whatever reason?

      What does it mean?

      They can’t be proud or still contribute to Barbados?

      Do you people know how many Bajans live abroad?

      We need to get real and leave the messenger alone.

      Is his message sound or not?


  34. Many who have left our shores have a different view of things when they left. If they lived here they would have a different outlook on things now. They say absence makes the heart grow fonder so this might just be a case of nostalgia. Andrew please come for a reality check. Stay at least for two years and let us know your thoughts. The Pride has rusted and the Industry has come to a trickle. Where do we go from here? How can we force ourselves to feel good about ourselves when many things have deteriorated. Materially we may look good on the outside but we are a shadow of what we used to be. We need good leadership to inspire and motivate and that is sadly lacking.


  35. @ David
    We are in a different time which hopefully will act as an epiphany for a changed mentality.
    **************************************
    …either that, or we will all suffer the consequences of our folly and blindness.

    @ moneybrain
    Surely the judgement on any sale is the price exacted??????????? Did the vendors receive far above fair value or not??????
    *************************************
    One wonders what would be fair value to borrow your spouse or daughter for a week?
    How much to buy your family home cash???? ….will be willing to rent it back to your family at market rent.
    How much do you charge to ‘look the other way’? or maybe to bend over…?
    ‘PRIDE’ means that some things are NOT for sale….
    …your nom de plume is well chosen.

    @ Hants

    Your brass bowl name easy to call….. LOL
    …and your mate GP busy making money…so that leaves you!

    @ Ping Pong
    Andrew Nehaul (like so many others) is so proud of Barbados that he lives in Sweden.
    *******************************
    LOL …. and Hants real proud too – up there in Canada


    • How about we do nothing?

      Our productivity continues to slip.

      Our army of occupation continues to ask for wage hikes in an economy that is shrinking.

      Our politicians continue to hire even though our public service is bloated.

      Our unions continue to ask for a blanket % wage hike, to hell with productivity.

      Where the hell is our pride and industry anyway.

      That is right, shoot the damn messenger.


  36. A number of barbadians live overseas and have supported their famillies back home, they contribute by sending home much needed foreign exchange, they build houses, they pay taxes. Why do you think they have done all of that, becuse they are loyal sons and daughters

    As David said, leave the messenger, lets agree or disagree with the message. Only attack when you are attacked.


  37. Hi how are you folks. This makes interesting reading.I am perplexed since you only need to select the person to run to lead the country. In Guyana they ahve a race problem and seem unable to shake it. Come guys in Little England do what is right by yourself.


  38. Many men from homeland be Nationalistic and tattoo name of country on velly private part of anatomy … Maybe Bajan man do same … no? I many year ago try this … only got as far as “CHI” … I run out of space .. no?


  39. @David

    I have to disagree with you, the union has to appease its members by submitting proposals for a wage increase, but the govt has to show that it cannot gant any increase. Thats what negotiaitons is about. The Unions are intereting in maintaining jobs at this time..

    You must supply the proof that the pulic service is an army of occupation. Yes some public officers are not producitive, but you cant paint all with the same brush. Further, we have unproductive persons in the privtate sector milking the comapnies and paying humongous salaries and and benefits, thank god those are now taxed..


    • @just only asking

      There is something call leadership, the union should learn to practice it. Members are intelligence to understand the concept of reasonability.


  40. Ref: Zack: all we do is go from one bum to anothert”and may i ask whose fault is it?
    The very thought of living under a dictatorship is very replusive. Having the freedom to charter one’s course is enough for one to be patriotic. A great Leader John F. Kennedy once said” Ask not what your country can do for you !but what you can do for your country” in other words don’t rest your hopes on politicians each and every one of us has a role to play we too can make a difference.


  41. @David | July 3, 2011 at 7:09 PM | Maybe just maybe if we become a little more patriotic the very politicians who would be selected from the pool would be more amenable to representing the people in a more relevant way.
    =====================
    I wouldn’t use the word patriotism in this case. I would say that if more persons stop being such political yardfowls, and give credit where credit is due, and lay blame where blame belongs, then we’d all be much better off. But as long as we have partisan political yardfowls on both sides who will defend their respective party to every fault, and be critical of everything the opposing side does, we will be none the wiser. Hopefully the yardfowls are a dying breed.


    • @Zack

      We are probably both saying the same thing, when one is patriotic it means you do what is in the interest of the country come what may.


  42. You know what! tomorrow is the 4th of July in america Independence Day .The economy is in a nose dive. However with all the negative the people going to be ultra patriotic with they RED ! WHITE and BLUE! lettimg the whole worldknow that come hell or high water politician or no politician they love and respect their country. With the statue of Liberty leading the charge! .


  43. @ David
    Man what shoot what damn messenger what??!! You see somebody with a gun…?

    And nobody is saying to ‘DO NOTHING’, the call is indeed to DO SOMETHING other than talk BS….. and believe the bushman, flying flags and singing patriotic songs is NOT doing something, that is BS!!

    The situation is quite serious, only SERIOUS, DRASTIC measures now have any chance of dampening the coming impacts, this is not time for Crumpton Street analysts who never lived in the REAL Bajan world anyway – and who don’t even PHYSICALLY live here now, to be telling us to feel good and smile for the tourists.

    Get real David, YOU know of the real problems that need to be addressed. What wave what flag what??!!


  44. @David

    The union has shown leadership, it has submitted its proposal and when the gove say it cant afford an increase it will inform its members. The same thing happened when we had the septem 11 incidence. Submissions were submitted and there was a wage freeze.

    This is the union forte and i will trust it. I will bet you that there will soon be an announcement that in light of the prevailing conditions, there will be no increase in wages or salaries.


  45. Well Mr. Nehaul, we all can start pretending to feel good about ourselves and our country. Genuinely feeling good, however, will need a bit more – too much discrimination, too much marginalization, too much victimization, too much hate, too much…


  46. @David who wrote:
    Bajans we are so educated but we just don’t get it, even the Guyanese in Barbados go out and support its national team against Barbados with Guyanese flags and Bajan flags can hardly be seen.
    ==================
    I can see the need for patriotism and flags in competitive sports between countries, but I fail to see what placing a flag on every house and every license plate would really achieve in Barbados.


  47. @ac
    I guess you’re not going to accept that a mere vote does not mean you are chartering your own course, so continue smartly.


    • In Barbados we articulate as if there is despair to the point we are in a very dark-place.

      Andrew’s post does not suggest that using flags is the be all and and all.

      It is just another initiative to mount along with all the other things we have to do.

      See this HC envy shinning through a ready?

      Boy!


  48. zack who ever says that voting alone completes the whole . We are all in this together! “I will carry on smartly” trying to make a difference and hopefully others would do th same.
    Never once in your comments did you bring anything of real value which would of benefit to the country.


    • @Caswell

      Have you ever stood on a podium before a large crowd and all present have to listen to your national anthem played?

      If you have can you describe the feeling which more oft than not swells in the bosom of those receiving the honour?

      People will rally around a symbol which affords them the opportunity to evince pride and or make an emotional connection to their country.

      We have to begin somewhere, a flag at what it means is only part of the strategy.


  49. I really believe that Andrew Nehaul means well, but his suggestions, apart from being against the law, is symptomatic of what is wrong in this country. Rather than do something meaningful to arrest the decline in this country, someone comes up with some symbolic imported nonsense. Because people in some countries drive around flying flags, we should not copy that practice. By now Barbadians should realise that our problems come from copying usually negative things that we see from other countries. It would have been good if Mr. Nehaul came up with something home grown. Maybe, we should take Islandgal 246 suggestions (two cents worth) seriously.


  50. BTW to all naysayers . Try living in a country like Jamaica! but yuh see how dem like dey country. even wid de jerk chicken and fried dumplin.and de corrupt politician. anywhere in de world yuh would see a jamaican flying de flag pon he car or wearing de bandetta. I”ll bet some bajans recognize the Jamaican flag more easily than barbados flag. Wait de buju guy got 10 years in de slammer.


  51. Perhaps those Bajans who live overseas probably display more tangible acts of patriotism towards Barbados moreso than many at home. We may live or have lived abroad, held passports in those respective countries, served in those countries armed forces,swear allegiance to their rulers, but for sure , those countries might have had our Bodies, but never our Hearts.


    • @ac

      Never a truer statement have you written, it is not uncommon to see Bajans wearing Jamaican colours.


  52. But one would have thought that the new Anglican Hymnal of the Province of the West Indies would have included the National Anthems of the respective countries.
    Do you know that many Barbadians,including myself, are unable to sing the words of our national anthem without a song sheet, but can remember every word of God Save Our Gracious Queen?,and this has noting to do with patriotism. The same goes for Trinidad & Tobago national anthem, the original of which was presented to school to learn as the possible National Anthem of the short live Federation of the West Indies.


    • @Bush Tea

      Not sentitive at all but does anyone here know Andrew’s circumstance?

      He has made suggestions and what commonsense says, if we want to engage in constructive debate, is that we should ofter suggestions on how what he has put on the table can be improved upon.


    • The mistake some are making here is to equate patriotism with nationalism. It is simply a love of ones country. Is there any thing wrong with it?

      if you love your wife hold her hands sometimes in public.

      If you love your country wave a flag sometimes.


  53. @ac | July 3, 2011 at 9:15 PM | Never once in your comments did you bring anything of real value which would of benefit to the country.
    =============
    You’re entitled to your opinion.


  54. @ David
    Why so sensitive? suddenly have problems with robust debate?

    What HC envy would that be?

    When we spend hundreds of millions on our education system each year, how is it envy to expect serious and meaningful solutions to come from those who benefited from the VERY best that our taxes had to offer…?

    How come so many of our best and brightest choose to pontificate to us from over and away? At least the Bushman understands GP’s position….don’t mind bushie would still pull his leg a bit.


  55. @colonel Buggy

    Your comments spoken with much pride and repect and love of country. You are true patriot. I salute you.


  56. “….If you have can you describe the feeling which more oft than not swells in the bosom of those receiving the honour?”
    *************************************
    Few countries have experienced this honour more than has Jamaica…..and it is indeed impressive. BUT given the priorities of issues faced, and in light of the current scheme of things…..would it be your primary, or even major, focus…?


  57. Speaking of Jamaicans and their patriotism, they have alot to be proud of in terms of their entertainers and athletes, but they also have alot to be shameful of in terms of political corruption, drugs lords, and murders. So to what do you attribute their successes and failures?


  58. @Bush Tea
    While I appreciate your point of view, the reality is that most companies, RE and other inanimate objects are for sale at a price. Surely utilities are regulated by the GOB and if some foreign company can pay a high price, offer equal or better service at stipulated prices then why do said organisations have to be owned locally. If it is such a great business then such a widely owned company would have been retained by locals. Maybe wunna should nationalise everything and become know as” lil Cuba”.

    What part of FREE MARKET dont you like or understand? Are you Bajan, cause most Bajns love FREE anything! I know you will think I am just another Crumpton St Analyst BUT indeed I am far more dangerous than that because I am successful in the real world not just academic.I do agree with your point about Flying flags etc. However, in my case it maybe true that I dont live in Bdos but that does not suggest that my contribution can not be productive.

    So BT I have made several points on the processes to be followed in achieving a better strategic plan for the tourist product in the 2 areas of this blog, what have you recommended of substance?


  59. Fair enough David.

    Bush Tea spent years railing against CSME on the grounds that it was a simple minded and ill conceived straw at which our so called ‘leaders’ were clutching like drowning men.
    As a result we spent many years, millions of dollars, and LOTS of legal and other resources that SHOULD have been directed at improving productivity, rewarding creativity, defining national goals and identifying required talents, in support of this idiocy.

    Now with multiple CRISES on our doorstep we hear calls to go after Chinese and Brazilian tourists, and now to fly national flags…. and you vex because BT critical?

    How much more time and money we got to waste?

    We need a National VISION
    We need a common PLAN for Barbados
    We need supporting ground rules for everyone living here
    We need to be PRODUCTIVE and we need to REWARD productivity and efficiency
    We need LEADERSHIP.

    ……Well – guess we’re DEAD!!


  60. @money brain
    BT is the proverbial pessimist who is awaiting the almighty fury of “Granny”.

    @Zack
    There success is in part by wanting to do something which would be of benefit to the country which in it self is patriotic. Failures does not mean being unpatriotic. However “FAILING”” to do anything is unpatriotic.


  61. @BT
    Now that you have submitted your proposal for “Change” How do you implement such changes.
    When do i expect to see such changes in place.


  62. @ moneybrain
    I am far more dangerous than that because I am successful in the real world not just academic
    *******************************************
    What is success?
    Do you mean that you have been able to accumulate a few dollars in somebody else’s country? That does not sound very difficult to do -for someone willing to sell anything for the highest dollar.
    Do you have more than Dudus Coke had?
    ….more than Sanford?
    …Parris?

    How about the kind of success that contributes to the development of other less fortunate citizens?
    How about coming home with a plan like Barrow did, and dedicating your life to national development?

    How about focusing that ‘real world success’ on Bajan national development…


  63. @BT
    We are encouraging young educated people to be entrepreneurs, but naturally the Barbados market is too small and competitive for all those young people to operate viably. What would you suggest if not the Caricom Single Market.


  64. @ac who wrote:
    @Zack
    There success is in part by wanting to do something which would be of benefit to the country which in it self is patriotic. Failures does not mean being unpatriotic. However “FAILING”” to do anything is unpatriotic.
    ==============
    All this talk about patriotic and unpatriotic is pure gibberish. If a person has a talent he driven to use it for his own benefit and glory first and foremost, love of country is a natural second. The Jamaican is no different from the Barbadian in this regard. As Barbadians we do celebrate the shining stars we have, but because of our size we’ll never produce the number of stars that Jamaica would.


  65. David
    Do not worry about or take Sir Roy seriously about anything that he says, and this applies to the entire BWU under his leadership. That union also praised Chefette as a good employer after they concluded their last agreement. I was forced to ask, why would a union praise an employer with 600 employees but with less than 40 being permanently employed.


  66. I just woke up from a nightmare! In my nightmare, the name of this island was changed from Barbados to barracoon and we were waving flags and singing “patriotic” songs like … “Umbrella” by Rihanna . Am I really awake?!! Somebody please tell me it was just a bad dream!


  67. Ping Pong ……WAKE UP WAKE UP…yuh hallucinating! Lemme get some cold water to throw pon yuh. WAKE UP! LOLLL Man get outta bed and walk bout yuh gine feel bettea!


  68. Comrade Caswell Franklyn

    Maybe You give good reason for Bajan to love flag …no? Not for me to say, but maybe you have good reason …


  69. @BT / Moneybrain, Enjoy both of your regular contribution.S, not to take anything form you Money, but gotta say though @ BT’s comment >
    ”What is success?
    Do you mean that you have been able to accumulate a few dollars in somebody else’s country? That does not sound very difficult to do -for someone willing to sell anything for the highest dollar.
    Do you have more than Dudus Coke had?
    ….more than Sanford?
    …Parris?”

    —————-

    Spanked straight through the covers, not a man moved.


  70. @David

    I know the social and historical signifance of the union movement which emereged after the Moyne’s Comiinision. The Trade Union movement is an instittuion that contributed to the upliftment of workers in Barbados and the region.

    If you want to take me on of the social and historical signifcance of the trade union movement, let us start the discussion, but I wont allow you to make a bland statment that you dont have any time for the union, I hope that you are not implying that it has no relevance to Barbadian sociiety, Had not for the trade union movement, my parents and grand parents would perhaps be around the plantations working for substandard wages.

    By the way, political parties emeged out of the trade union movement, perhaps Caswell can enlighten you about that, So do you have uses for poliitcal parties?


  71. @David et al re CF ”By now Barbadians should realise that our problems come from copying usually negative things that we see from other countries”

    ———–
    True words at the root of the issue. How we define ourselves comes from more than a flag. Yes, at a marketing level you create a symnolic stance and move from there.

    But after all these years and much accomplished, including Barbadians who have gone abroad and done very well (I also could go overseas and get a decent job tomorrow, based on my qualifications), there should be more than just a flag to make us rally.

    As Caswell said, we adopt silly ways, such as that stupid dropped pants foolishness from US a few years back.

    The failing there is a lack of ‘real’ education, past the sheer academics. Pride is based on behaviours and discipline. That comes from our homes and schools. Telling our youngsters how to behave and not disgrace themselves, teaching them values like work and respect.

    I disagree that a flag alone can bring this about, although I do not disagree that it would be prideful to see ones flag on travels.

    On an aside, Crumpton Street produced those who excelled and those who did not, just as any school. I therefore hold no brief for nor against that institution, yes I went there also. Contrary to some, I am not a card-carrying, chest-beating Crumptonian, I do think as with any institution, certain values were missing and it fell short in those ways, as with any school having its advantages and disadvantages.

    Remember, a lot who went there were already the ‘top academic achievers’ from the time they entered and some fell through the cracks. That should tell you something.


  72. Look “Flag waving ” only is an outward gesture shown by people as a repect for their country. Peoplewith genuine love for their country see their country foremost and all else secondary . It doesn’t really matter if one is a success or failure .There is a genuine love and respect which supersedes all else . Many people have fought and died out of Love for their country. Patriots are a dying breed and when they go it open the country for who sover will to take over. In some way they are the eyes and ears of a democracy


  73. If the premise Andrew is drawing on that Bajans are a proud lot what does it say about our reluctance to demonstrate outsides to rally the troops?


  74. David Bajans pride can be superficial since politically their allegiance falls heavily to one political party or another . . We do have that “endorsement mentality” wether or not it is reason enough to to proud is another topic. The question really can be divided into two . Are we as a people “PROUD” of our country? Or do we only feel a sense of “”PRIDE when good things are bestowed upon us?


  75. Good points AC……many are proud of what they have personally achieved, where they went to school , which rung of the ladder their family stand in society, how well their children have done. Love for country is convenient and fickle at times. Yes it is superficial, take for instance when we visit a sister island for the first time. Many I have heard come back laughing saying that the sister island so poor and they don’t have what we have. Do you call that pride? We have forgotten we were in that same place once and can get back there in a blink of an eye. We have become tribal …..It is visible that we are more Parish proud than we are country proud.


  76. Love for country make sense when put in context … “Love” is blind…!
    Blind people velly good at not seeing elephant when elephant stand in middle of room …no?
    And blind people not find even one person with one eye to lead …no?
    And when even justice blind …people not see proper avenue to proceed with cause …no?
    Blind people easy to deceive, so blind people get lost in flag and country …no?


  77. @island girl’

    Now we are getting to the truth of the matter! It is False pride. that most bajans protray. That is why when the topic of Flag waving is so sensitive to all and sundry!


  78. I see where this blog is going and as a loyal bajan I agree with many of the sentiments expressed … However its simply too late, the house slave mentally has made it to the core of who we are…


  79. AC ……Shhhhhh….. dem gine deny dat but dat is de trut ! We’ve got a whole lot of False Pride! We now have to learn what true pride is.


  80. Caribbean people so called -pride and claim-to-fame.

    Trinidad:
    Oil, Calypso, Trini-style carnival, the Steel pan, a Nobel Laureate, Hasley Crawford, Brian Lara, Ato Boldon, Richard Thompson , Angostura bitters and two Miss Universe.

    Barbados:
    Mount Gaye, literacy rate, cricketers(W.I), Oba, Rhiri, Ryan Braithwaite, breadfruit cukoo and flying fish.

    St. Lucia:
    2 nobel Laureate. Lewis and Walcott. and Darren Sammy.

    St Kitts:
    Kim collins.

    Jamaica:
    crime rate per capita, Reggae(music) and entertainers( Marley, Jimmy cliff, etc) Rastafariansim( religion) , Red stripe, Appleton, Tia Maria, Jerk, Track and field superstars, Bobsleighing, Claude Mckay,Marcus Garvey and two Miss worlds

    Bhamas:
    Sunshine girls

    Antigua:
    Viv Richards , Daniel Bailey, Jamaica Kincaid and Allen Stanford..

    Grenada:
    Kirani James and spice.


  81. @Bush Tea
    Excellent points on CSME……….time and money wasting etc Inclined to agree entirely.

    I may have misled you into believing that money is everything or = Success.
    NO it is not, but it is certainly my belief that Bdos is basically a nation of shopkeepers ie entrepreneurs of many types and vocations. This should be the foundation of our ideology. I totally enjoy buying lunch from the lil vans at the beach, coconut vendors etc and seeing their entrepreneurial activity.

    Personally my definition of succes is
    1 having enough money to retire early but really to get the world off my back. In my view this must be accomplished with utmost integrity, which I have done unlike Dudus or Stanford etc. I have made alot less money in my business by not ripping people off, even though I could have easily, like many of my cohort.

    2 My children were raised to be honest and work hard to excel academically, in sports and socially to be comfortable and accepted in diverse communities ie race, class, creed. Indeed, I conducted myself thus in Bim by having friends in the village and in the big wall houses.

    3 My kids are accomplished….son in final 8 Ont Baseball championships twice, gold medalist in swimming in TO, Capt of School Basketball team and holds a high performance Uni degree/ professional qualifications. Daughter provincial baseball championship team, National Champions, Toronto Wrestling gold, joint record (Toronto) with team in 4×400 relay, fastest swim time in 4×100 Medley Swim Ontario, holds Uni degree with Distinction. They both attended the best academic institution available to all gifted exam qualifiers.( better than HC/ QC with 21 Rhodes Scholars and 2 Nobels)

    4 worked closely with my spouse to accomplish this.

    I dont want to bore you folks to death as you surely get my point.

    Bush T, I have coached and mentored youth in life through Baseball and basketball. Canvassed to raise funds for several charitable causes eg Cancer Soc, Heart etc

    Regarding participating in Bajan politics, I must say that would NOT work well because
    1 the corruption has gone so far that I would probably have to be in the position of BENEVOLENT DICTATOR (or some like group a la Singapore) in order to make the level of impact needed and to satisfy my high standards of progress.

    2 old white guys with blue eyes, like myself, are unlikely to impress the sensiblities of the electoral majority. Although many light skin PMs have been favoured ie Tom, David, Owen.

    @Crusoe
    BTs question was indeed excellent BUT I trust you enjoyed the very pointed and civil reply? Please be cognisant that I have been driven through the covers for 4 on many occasions BUT i always appreciated that even the top batsmen are vulnerable to overconfidence at precisely that time eg bowling to Thelston and following up with a off-cutting bouncer which he duly hooked against the turn to longleg’s adequate hands. I would suffer the indignity of perfect 4s all day if I could conjure a prized wicket everytime!

    On the Crumptonian issue you are correct that most of the top talent went in and far too many failed miserably to take the opportunity seriously, I certainly confess. I have been guilty of referring to HC on this blog mainly because I understand that certain posters like to hate Kolij fellas, so it can be useful to draw out the haters. Realistically, many of us had friends and family at Lodge, Combemere, Foundation et al. I must say we sure enjoyed beating them at sports tho.


  82. fortyacres and a mule

    Maybe I not understand this thing, but maybe you include the roundabout like Henry Forde and Ermie Bourne and building like Earskin Sandiford and Tom Adams and Grantley Adams and road like Arthur Seat and the statue like Bentom and Admeral Nelson …no?


  83. A proud people???

    I was both astounded and disgusted to see the report on the back page of today’s Nation, that the Cavaliers intend to take the Amateur Basketball Association to Court over the lifetime ban of the player who droppedkicked an opponent in a recent game.

    Their attorney is alleged to have said ‘I see nothing in the rules…’

    Rules? Rules?

    THIS is why we have a problem, because the club, instead of expelling the player for awful unsportsmanlike and violent behaviour, rushes to his defense.

    And then we wonder why the Windies team has discipline problems at time.

    Same reason.

    I wonder if that club /player realise that he could be charged for assault and battery, as the drop kick was clearly not part of the game and intended to cause harm?

    Have they thought/ realised that?

    Disgraceful behaviour now being encouraged by the club instead of being chastised.

    And wunna talk of ‘proud bajan’?

    Joke.


  84. @Crusoe
    Lawyers and everyone else watching too much corrupt American injustice! Sad to say but values, even in Bim, eroding at light speed.


  85. David | July 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM | @ac

    Never a truer statement have you written, it is not uncommon to see Bajans wearing Jamaican colours.
    ——
    So true you see them in trindadian headties the thing is jamicans are adamant all bajan men are battyboys ie homos yet our lazy ignorant youth worship jamaicans thru the haze of ganja smoke in shacks and trees on the so called blocks day and night.
    patriotism is sadly lacking in Bdos moreso among the lost generation youth on the blocks puffing on their weed


  86. The Bajan people should not sell themselves short for anyone trying to talk them down, however subtly! The degradation of culture and business is suffering everywhere its not just where you are. Look at America, Britian and other parts of the world right now, there is a terminal malaise about the untruths and lies being perpetrated by jewish media around the world. They have been the hidden hand behind the propoganda that has caused arguements and wars all over the planet.
    Flag waving plays a part, but any bajan is proud enough to stand up and be counted. Someone wrote a list of what each island is known for, our leaders flew planes in the war, our artists, Marvin Gay, Diana Ross, Rihana and Beyounce and many others who are a part of bands and groups but lesser known but we are there, we also had a swimmer in the last olympics who got a silver medal. As a bajan i don’t want other cultures to dominate ours in our own land especially if its not good or benefical. Our children should be doing things that benefit them and not hanging around doing nothing and smoking ditch weed that will turn them do lally and stupid.
    Everybodies economy is down and getting worse, don’t watch anybodyelse
    when its just a lie anyway. I keep telling people to check the facts and look into things properly. We do need to get rid of that slavery colonial look about the island and the atitudes that go with them.
    Britian servives by having events such as the grand national, carnival, Glastonbury, sporting events and now the olympics. These are revenue raisers so get on it.


  87. I am proud to be a bajan I don’t live there any more but wear the flag every day on belt head on my car seats and on my car window and in my house go bajans let’s show we love barbados


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