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Cynthia McKinney, in Tripoli (Repost)

 While serving on the House International Relations Committee from 1993 to 2003, it became clear to me that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was an anachronism.  Founded in 1945 at the end of World War II, NATO was founded by the United States in response to the Soviet Union’s survival as a Communist state.  NATO was the U.S. insurance policy that capitalist ownership and domination of European, Asian, and African economies would continue.  This also would ensure the survival of the then-extant global apartheid.

NATO is a collective security pact wherein member states pledge that an attack upon one is an attack against all.  Therefore, should the Soviet Union have attacked any European Member State, the United States military shield would be activated.  The Soviet Response was the Warsaw Pact that maintained a “cordon sanitaire” around the Russian Heartland should NATO ever attack.  Thus, the world was broken into blocs which gave rise to the “Cold War.”

Avowed “Cold Warriors” of today still view the world in these terms and, unfortunately, cannot move past Communist China and an amputated Soviet Empire as enemy states of the U.S. whose moves any where on the planet are to be contested.  The collapse of the Soviet Union provided an accelerated opportunity to exert U.S. hegemony in an area of previous Russian influence.  Africa and the Eurasian landmass containing former Soviet satellite states and Afghanistan and Pakistan along with the many other “stans” of the region, have always factored prominently in the theories of “containment” or “rollback” guiding U.S. policy up to today.

With that as background, last night’s NATO rocket attack on Tripoli is inexplicable.  A civilian metropolitan area of around 2 million people, Tripoli sustained 22 to 25 bombings last night, rattling and breaking windows and glass and shaking the foundation of my hotel.

I left my room at the Rexis Al Nasr Hotel and walked outside the hotel and I could smell the exploded bombs. There were local people everywhere milling with foreign journalists from around the world. As we stood there more bombs struck around the city. The sky flashed red with explosions and more rockets from NATO jets cut through low cloud before exploding.

I could taste the thick dust stirred up by the exploded bombs. I immediately thought about the depleted uranium munitions reportedly being used here–along with white phosphorus.  If depleted uranium weapons were being used what affect on the local civilians?

Women carrying young children ran out of the hotel. Others ran to wash the dust from their eyes.  With sirens blaring, emergency vehicles made their way to the scene of the attack.  Car alarms, set off by the repeated blasts, could be heard underneath the defiant chants of the people.

Sporadic gunfire broke out and it seemed everywhere around me.  Euronews showed video of nurses and doctors chanting even at the hospitals as they treated those injured from NATO’s latest installation of shock and awe.  Suddenly, the streets around my hotel became full of chanting people, car horns blowing, I could not tell how many were walking, how many were driving.  Inside the hotel, one Libyan woman carrying a baby came to me and asked me why are they doing this to us?

Whatever the military objectives of the attack (and I and many others question the military value of these attacks) the fact remains the air attack was launched a major city packed with hundreds of thousands of civilians.

I did wonder too if the any of the politicians who had authorized this air attack had themselves ever been on the receiving end of laser guided depleted uranium munitions. Had they ever seen the awful damage that these weapons do a city and its population? Perhaps if they actually been in the city of air attack and felt the concussion from these bombs and saw the mayhem caused they just might not be so inclined to authorize an attack on a civilian population.

I am confident that NATO would not have been so reckless with human life if they had called on to attack a major western city. Indeed, I am confident that would not be called upon ever to attack a western city. NATO only attacks (as does the US and its allies) the poor and underprivileged of the 3rd world.

Only the day before, at a women’s event in Tripoli, one woman came up to me with tears in her eyes:  her mother is in Benghazi and she can’t get back to see if her mother is OK or not.  People from the east and west of the country lived with each other, loved each other, intermarried, and now, because of NATO’s “humanitarian intervention,” artificial divisions are becoming hardened.  NATO’s recruitment of allies in eastern Libya smacks of the same strain of cold warriorism that sought to assassinate Fidel Castro and overthrow the Cuban Revolution with “homegrown” Cubans willing to commit acts of terror against their former home country.  More recently, Democratic Republic of Congo has been amputated de facto after Laurent Kabila refused a request from the Clinton Administration to formally shave off the eastern part of his country.  Laurent Kabila personally recounted the meeting at which this request and refusal were delivered.  This plan to balkanize and amputate an African country (as has been done in Sudan) did not work because Kabila said “no” while Congolese around the world organized to protect the “territorial integrity” of their country.

I was horrified to learn that NATO allies (the Rebels) in Libya have reportedly lynched, butchered and then their darker-skinned compatriots after U.S. press reports labeled Black Libyans as “Black mercenaries.”  Now, tell me this, pray tell.  How are you going to take Blacks out of Africa?  Press reports have suggested that Americans were “surprised” to see dark-skinned people in Africa.  Now, what does that tell us about them?

The sad fact, however, is that it is the Libyans themselves, who have been insulted, terrorized, lynched, and murdered as a result of the press reports that hyper-sensationalized this base ignorance.  Who will be held accountable for the lives lost in the bloodletting frenzy unleashed as a result of these lies?

Which brings me back to the lady’s question:  why is this happening?  Honestly, I could not give her the educated reasoned response that she was looking for.  In my view the international public is struggling to answer “Why?”.

What we do know, and what is quite clear, is this:  what I experienced last night is no “humanitarian intervention.”

Many suspect it is about all the oil under Libya. Call me skeptical but I have to wonder why the combined armed sea, land and air forces of NATO and the US costing billions of dollars are being arraigned against a relatively small North African country and we’re expected to believe its in the defense of democracy.

What I have seen in long lines to get fuel is not “humanitarian intervention.”  Refusal to allow purchases of medicine for the hospitals is not “humanitarian intervention.”  What is most sad is that I cannot give a cogent explanation of why to people now terrified by NATO’s bombs, but it is transparently clear now that NATO has exceeded its mandate, lied about its intentions, is guilty of extra-judicial killings–all in the name of “humanitarian intervention.”  Where is the Congress as the President exceeds his war-making authority?  Where is the “Conscience of the Congress?”

For those of who disagree with Dick Cheney’s warning to us to prepare for war for the next generation, please support any one who will stop this madness.  Please organize and then vote for peace.  People around the world need us to stand up and speak out for ourselves and them because  Iran and Venezuela are also in the cross-hairs.  Libyans don’t need NATO helicopter gunships, smart bombs, cruise missiles, and depleted uranium to settle their differences.  NATO’s “humanitarian intervention” needs to be exposed for what it is with the bright, shining light of the truth.

As dusk descends on Tripoli, let me prepare myself with the local civilian population for some more NATO humanitarianism.

Stop bombing Africa and the poor of the world!


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201 responses to “A Feast Of Blood For NATO Last Night”


  1. Jesus!

    Thanks Gilbert

    David


  2. Quite simply, the answer for this has already been described on these blogs, under Libya.

    The answer lies in the OWG, lies in the fact that the European economies are on the brink of collapse (that is not fiction), both Greece and Portugal are about to renege on sovereign debt, which will present disaster for the EU and its member stats, along with the Euro.

    That is the reason for this. The ‘rebuilding’ (obviously by European firms, not Arab) aka bloodsucking of resources from Libya, after the coup, will enable the facade of economic stability in the world to be prolonged a bit longer.

    Alas, the ‘shock and awe’, has proven as lies, the assertion that this was to protect civilians who are now being butchered by bombs, while destroying the infrastructure that will then be rebuilt by European firms using Libyan wealth.

    Neither is this about removing Gaddafi, as that would be too easy and is but a small facet of the operation, which is to plunder the Libyan wealth to fuel the failing economies in Europe.

    Maybe, just maybe, he could have told them the truth as above.

    The thing is, the European Governments and those in the OWG, would tell you that the alternative is worse, being the collapse of the world’s financial system, literally.

    Shock and awe, maybe shock and disgust would be more appropriate.

    But then, wealthy and powerful as they are, those in the OWG have not learnt the golden rule, that what is sown is reaped, that the Almighty is the only God, not money, not a government.

    Mother nature is of God. Hence, no victim of this atrocity has to do anything, the Earth shall look after its own, its people and retribution will be much.

    My advice is to be humble, sit tight and wait for the Almighty to unleash the necessary.

    Once you hands are clean, you have nothing to fear.


  3. That is why I support Iran obtaining new clear technology.


  4. You know, I posted and walked away from the computer, then had a thought.

    What difference this wholesale bombing of a capital, where civilians in the millions reside and what Hiteler did?

    Why is the world not in ‘shock and disgust’?

    Where is our ‘independent media? At least those not owned by Rupert Murdoch?

    How can we sit idly by and watch such an atrocity, all the while being so gullible as to believe that this is about ‘protecting civilians’?

    Things are truly in a sad state.

    Any form of total authoritarianism, such as this is, should be resisted, where does it stop?

    Who will call in our favour, when we are the ones being attacked?

    Has the ‘west’ lost all reasonsing and ability to deal with issues other than by the gun?

    Men such as JFK, Gandhi, MLK, Robert Kennedy, would all be frowning at such as this.

    What did mankind fight for in the WWII, but against such authoritarian rule?

    The Empire? Will we be labelled as outcasts, when we refuse to stop opening our borders to people and companies to do business, when the OECD tax people decide to ostracise us for being democratic and seeking our sovereign right??

    Will we too be labelled outcasts?

    Horrible.


  5. I continue to struggle with the view that the “rebels are representing Libyans” while Gadaffi is representing himself.
    I am yet to understand how what was touted as an assault on dictatorship became within 24 hours armed rebellion with not so much as a wimper from the same NATO.
    Do we understand the degree of fire power that is being unleashed on Libya in an effort to “protect civilians”? The question is why?


  6. The march of the hegemonist continues briskly.

    Our people including Bajans have been brainwashed to believe that if you are on the side the US and Europe which we are emotionally familiar then deaths in the name of the cause is an acceptable position.


  7. @David: “Our people including Bajans have been brainwashed to believe that if you are on the side the US and Europe which we are emotionally familiar then deaths in the name of the cause is an acceptable position.

    Amen!

    I guess….


  8. Wednesday, May 25, 2011
    Daniel Ellsberg: “Secrets … Can Be Kept Reliably … For Decades … Even Though They Are Known to THOUSANDS of Insiders”

    Indeed, even Obama’s information tzar – who advocates using the power of the state to shut down talk of conspiracies – admits:

    Some conspiracy theories, under our definition, have turned out to be true … The Watergate hotel room used by Democratic National Committee was, in fact, bugged by Republican officials, operating at the behest of the White House. In the 1950s, the CIA did, in fact, administer LSD and related drugs under Project MKULTRA, in an effort to investigate the possibility of ‘mind control.’” [This post isn’t going down the rabbit hole of mind control.]

    Can’t Hide It

    Those accusing Goldman Sachs, Dick Cheney or some other powerful people of conspiring to enrich their interests are often met with the argument that “someone would have spilled the beans” if there had really been a conspiracy.

    But famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg explains:

    It is a commonplace that “you can’t keep secrets in Washington” or “in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you’re likely to read it the next day in the New York Times.” These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn’t in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.

    snip

    “All Wars Are Based on Propaganda”

    Tom Brokaw notes:

    All wars are based on propaganda.

    There are numerous examples, such as dressing corpses in fake uniforms and planting false intelligence on them to mislead enemies.

    In addition, governments from around the world have admitted to false flag terror. In all of these cases, more than a handful of people were involved in planning, funding and carrying out the attacks. And yet no one spilled the beans or – if someone did – they were not believed.

    For example:

    The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950’s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister

    Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)

    The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (and see this)(Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred)

    As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960’s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Official State Department documents show that – only nine months before – the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. (While the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed as a serious proposal for Operation Northwoods to be carried out, cooler heads fortunately prevailed; President Kennedy or his Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara apparently vetoed the plan)

    The South African Truth and Reconciliation Council found that, in 1989, the Civil Cooperation Bureau (a covert branch of the South African Defense Force) approached an explosives expert and asked him “to participate in an operation aimed at discrediting the ANC [the African National Congress] by bombing the police vehicle of the investigating officer into the murder incident”, thus framing the ANC for the bombing

    An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army admit that, in the 1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this video; and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian Defamation Suit Against Author)

    Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton says that a Clinton cabinet member proposed letting Saddam kill an American pilot as a pretext for war in Iraq (and see this)

    According to the Washington Post, Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.

    The well-respected former Indonesian president also admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings

    As reported by BBC, the New York Times, and Associated Press, Macedonian officials admit that the government murdered 7 innocent immigrants in cold blood and pretended that they were Al Qaeda soldiers attempting to assassinate Macedonian police, in order to join the “war on terror”.

    Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.”

    United Press International reported in June 2005:

    U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S. authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the illegitimacy of the resistance.

    Quebec police admitted that, in 2007, thugs carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually undercover Quebec police officers

    At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament saw plain clothes police officers attempting to incite the crowd to violence

    There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history proven by the historical evidence. See this, this and this.

    In summary, the claim that conspiracies couldn’t have happened or else we would have known when someone bragged about their deeds completely false.

    Conspiracies are generally not discovered unless the facts are aggressively investigated and prosecuted.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/05/daniel-ellsberg-secrets-can-be-kept.html
    (see also the many embedded links in the original)


  9. Cynthia-Anne McKinney, Green Monkey and even Crusoe kicking in, man David this is going to be breath taking … Thanks man, thanks. To me all of the high-profile invasions and bombings (in my life time), Cuba, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. were equally conniving and disgusting, but this Libya campaign is the most likely to anger the general population of the world. Of course do not look to Jul;lius Gittens, David Ellis or Stedson Babb for a comment (if you challenge them at all they would more than likely judge you as a conspiracist)


  10. @Observer
    You support IAMANUTJOB and Iran having as you put it new clear bombs(nuclear). Are you serious? Those bastards in Iran control their own people in a theocracy. You cant fart there unless they say fart now. Iran does not have freedom like BIM. Those theocrats would use their arsenal of bombs to kill everybody on Earth, based on their belief that all non-muslims deserve to die and the Muslims will die and go to heaven with their deserved 72 Vestal Virgins. I begging you to learn to THINK FIRST before chatting crap.

    I certainly dont pretend to understand what the WEST is trying to achieve in Libya. Surely they dont always behave correctly. But crazy ass Muslims can NOT and should NOT have NUKES! Pakistan has to be watched like a hawk so that they dont sell everything to these Iranians or use their warheads on India, who would surely vaporise their hindquarters. Anyway these Arab Muslims have not been exactly kind to the Black Christians in Sudan having murdered about ONE MILLION and literally enSLAVED MANY MORE. The key question should be why the UN/ USA did not stop that aggression years ago???????????

    Regarding Libya, why they risking the lives of innocent Libyans instead of killing Ghadaffi and his henchmen?


  11. The latest news off the wire is that the US/NATO forces plan to bomb Libya into oblivion until Gadaffi steps down.


  12. David
    Yes, and this is humanitarian …

    BTW that Poneybrain nincompoop now gone and spoil things .. You can’ censor he in a totalitarian, theocraic kind ah way?


  13. ”The latest news off the wire is that the US/NATO forces plan to bomb Libya into oblivion until Gadaffi steps down.”

    Exactly as per plan. Every building destroyed, every bridge destroyed, is another few hundred million in new contract work for foreign firms, when the ‘new installed government’ takes control.

    By the way, how is an installed government democracy?

    And again, when is Nato going into Egypt where civilians really are being butchered by the government?

    Problem is, Egypt does not have the huge gold and foreign exchange reserves that Libya has, so no point bombing their buildings.

    Just one more thing.

    Watch Portugal and Greece closely, they are in deep financial trouble, the news out of there will give you an understanding of the European money issues.

    Germany et al cannot afford to bail them out.


  14. Beautiful.

    Our bible study group recently finished a short study on the Middle East in Bible Prophecy, starting with Rev 6:1-8 and the 4 Horses (Christianinty – white horse, Humanism – red horse, Satanism/Paganism – black horse, Catholicism – pale horse), with the fifth entity to “follow” or mimic Catholicism (Apostate Protestantism). We then expanded this into our current day as seen in Rev 7:1-4; here the activity of the horses has intensified to the extent of being called “winds” which are amalgamating their forces into a “whirlwind” and a “World-wind” against Christ and against God. These winds are all killers and since they blow on the earth from the four corners of the earth, we can loosely pick them out from a quick look at the geopolitical landscape, with a religious commentary overlay:

    Northeast = communistic countries i.e. China, Russia. Philosophy is based on humanistic theories, and deny God. Main colour is red (colour of blood; Red Square), from the red horse. A killing machine – Stalin (20M), Mao (40-70M) and Pol Pot in Cambodia (1.5-2.5M)

    Southeast= pagan or satanic foundation (hence the colour black) for non-Christian (or anti-God) systems, like Islam, Hinduism, Voodoo, ancestor or spirit worship, nature worship). Can be located around Africa, Middle East, Southeast Asia

    Southwest – South America and Europe, the home of avowed Catholicism (pale horse) – a mix of Christianity, paganism, and humanism, so it is a sickly pale colour.

    Northwest – principally US – the home of Apostate Protestantism, employs the same tactics as Catholicism (using state to enforce church wishes, speaks of peace but actively involved in war); it pretends to be Christian, so is not really white (pure), so lets call it off-white or bone white – remember Rev 6:8 “and Hell followed with him”

    So what do we see? That over time, the pale, red and off-white powers have cooperated and combined forces towards that OWG, or NWO, so all that if left is to bring the black powers on board, kicking and screaming. Once they are all united, they can then turn their attention to the last little group that stands out – those that “obey the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus”, those that cannot go with the flow, when the UN and others dictate the conscience to enforce laws that are at odds with the Commandments.

    Sound plausable?


  15. Crusoe

    I like your call, but knowing what you say is one thing, what can we now do about it …?


  16. Here is something we read on fb:

    In the near future there will be five economic blocks on the earth. The first one will be the United States and Canada aligned with Brittain. The second one is Europe headed by Germany. The third one will be the Gaza strip aligned with India and they will be very prosperous. The fourth will be an economic/peace pact between Israel and Iran. And the fifth economic block will be Korea, Taiwan and China led by Japan, not the other way around. Bob the clogger


  17. @David

    No one wants to bomb Libya into oblivion, Is Tripoli/Gadaffi Libya? They just want to get rid of Gadaffi but he wants to keep the reins for his children …. overthrow one monarchy and establish your own. Gaddafi doesn’t have anywhere to run he is a pariah and will stay until he snuffed out unless he runs to his pal Castro who talks a good game but doesn’t want him.

    What is your position on dictators who overthrow a Gov’t in the name of the people and tries to install a monarchy which benefits their offspring?

    @Crusoe

    Is a dictatorship democracy?

    Why should NATO go into Egypt? I thought that Egypt was the flavour of the month, are you insinuating that the “Peoples revolution” was all for naught? If you delve into the history of the country you will see that religious tension between Christians and Muslims was always beneath the surface, this has come to the fore in wake of Mubarak’s removal in the form of rioting. When the security forces tries to quell the riots blood shed is inevitable.

    A reading of the history of Yugoslavia after Tito’s demise will shed some light on what can happen after the departure of a dictator.


  18. @Sarge

    On your comment Libya is in for a rough ride. Ethnic conflict, possible succession by the East?


  19. Rent Party NYC Style


  20. @David

    I can’t predict what will happen in Libya but Gaddafi is a member of a minority tribe, I am sure that plays into some of the opposition against him.

    My comment on Egypt was directed at Crusoe who wrote about civilians being “butchered” by the Govt. When the weight of a dictatorship is lifted from people all sorts of ethnic and religious tensions rise to the surface. Dictators are good at keeping order, any protest is met with a bullet or imprisonment (Italians were said to be fond of Mussolini because the trains ran on time) People feel free to vent their true feelings when they believe they are free from the iron fist.

    Re Yugoslavia Ratko Mladic was arrested today.


  21. I wonder if a segment of the population in the US, UK, or France had rise up against the rule of law in any of these countries and the leadership of President Obama, Prime Minister Cameroon or President Sarkozy if the would not do all in their power to squash any such revolt.
    What would you do if your leadership and stability is threaten?


  22. @weary baje: “What would you do if your leadership and stability is threaten?

    An interesting question.

    Shooting your own people for daring to disagree probably wouldn’t be “in the cards” for Obama, Cameroon nor Sarkozy. (Nor Harper nor Stuart et al….)


  23. @BAFBFP
    I was in the throes of starting to appreciate your caustic nature. When next do you visit your psychologist? His report should be great for intellectual sport.


  24. @ C H<

    Are you sure about that? Are you sure?
    History has shown differently. Every time the populous rise in demonstration against the government of the day in those said countries they have reacted with brute force against they very own people.


  25. What happened in the UK not too long ago when Thatcher tried to implement the poll tax?


  26. @FB as per David
    This quote based on current variables has Isreal in a pact with Iran????? Obviously not the same Iranians that exists today, mussee post rebellion and the elimination of the theocrats. Iamanutjob has sworn to drive the Jewish Isrealis into the Mediterranean. They finance Hezbollah to the tune of $1BN / yr and supply munitions in huge quantities.

    An Asian pact LED by Japan????? Does the author not realise that the Japs in the 1940s conducted the “RAPE of Nanking” where 1MN chinese were killed and babies were torn from their mothers arms and tossed in the air in order to be BAYONETTED on the way down! Japan has failed financially with a Debt: GDP that is the worst in the G20 at over 200%. Japan will NOT be leading any entity with the possible exception of being the first Nation to suffer, absolutely destructive Earthquakes before sinking into the depths of the Pacific.


  27. @weary baje: “Are you sure about that? Are you sure?

    I am very open to correction.

    @wb: “every time the populous rise in demonstration against the government of the day in those said countries they have reacted with brute force against they very own people.

    Care to provide evidence to support your claims?


  28. @Moneybrain

    Logic was absent from the comment which is why it attracted attention.


  29. @ C H<

    Seattle 1999; L A 1992; France 2005 & 2006; UK 1985; All these were instances where a segment of the populous demonstrated against the leadership and rule of lwa in their respective country and was met with brute force.
    I also recalled a demonstration at the UWI in Barbados a decade ago which was met with brute force.

    So I asked the question again which leader of a country seeing uprising or revolt against his leadership in his country is not going to use the resources at his disposal to squash that said revolt or uprising?

    BTW …what evidences is there to substantiate that Gaddafi army was the ones killing the innocent people.


  30. @weary baje: “Seattle 1999; L A 1992; France 2005 & 2006; UK 1985; All these were instances where a segment of the populous demonstrated against the leadership and rule of lwa in their respective country and was met with brute force.
    I also recalled a demonstration at the UWI in Barbados a decade ago which was met with brute force.

    But, with respect… How many died?

    If this is actually an important to you, you should be able to answer this basic question…

    Exactly how many died?


  31. African Leaders are begging the US and NATO to stop the bombing but will they heed?

    Addis Ababa – African leaders on Thursday called for an end to Nato airstrikes on Libya to pave the way for a political solution to the conflict.

    The leaders made the call after a summit dedicated to the Libyan crisis held at the African Union headquarters in Addis Ababa.

    “As far as Nato airstrikes are concerned… you will see [in the summit declaration not yet made public] a clear call by heads of state and government for those airstrikes to come to an end,” said Ramtane Lamamra, the AU’s Peace and Security Commissioner

    http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/AU-urges-end-to-Nato-Libya-strikes-20110526


  32. @ C H
    The amount of people who died is besides the point…..
    The point of the matter is all populous revolts challenging the rule of law and the leadership of any country are met brute force to squash it. Collateral will damage will occur to bring back law and oder to the society, the extent of the damage depends on those revolting.


  33. Another case of the USA shifting the goal post as to why it joined with NATO to bomb Libya to oblivion.

    It is now about rule change.

    What is it they say when a US president shifts his focus to foreign policy?

    It must be crap on the home front.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/world/africa/27policy.html/?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes

    BreakingNews Breaking News
    British government OK’s use of attack helicopters in Libya, officials tell Reuters


  34. and Obama says america stays in Libya until Gaddafi gets out DEAD or ALIVE. think the first is most likely!


  35. Hey Moneybrain

    I am very prepared to be caustic, but what will it matter with likes of Sargeant ( May 26, 2011 at 8:01 AM ) knockin’ ’bout? You really think that noise and logic will turn people like this part time idiot? (Part time because it is not always that he shows these lapses)


  36. Anyone ever heard of the Kent State massacre on US soil?


  37. @CH

    No one died because the civilians abandoned their cause at the first sign of government force. Had they continued ….. who knows?


  38. Christopher Halsall | May 26, 2011 at 3:39 PM |

    “every time the populous rise in demonstration against the government of the day in those said countries they have reacted with brute force …Care to provide evidence to support your claims?”

    Hi Chris you is a Canadian right …? Would you like to have a conversation with the Tutchonekutchin and Hydah and others, or are these people considered insurgents when they demonstrate?


  39. @Sargeant,

    I do not know about you, but when guns are turned on the populace to decide who can or cannot rule, that is not democracy.

    Democracy, shamocracy.

    This is all unexpurgated bollocks. Further, embargoes can be placed on Cuba for years, to attempt to force democracy, or at the elast, refuse to work with an authoritarian government.

    But in Libya, it is for some reason, urgent to remove Gaddafi? In months?

    What a laugh. Sad though that many little children will be written in some cockeyed, messed-up reporting as ‘collateral damage’.

    Children can never be such. They are the future.

    So, in twenty years when some Libyan, who saw his brother, sister , father, mother or cousin blown to bits or mangled by a Nato bomb, does something reckless, people will be saying what a sickhead he is.

    Yes, he would be a sickhead, so created by callous and unnecessary warfare, by politicians and generals who sit in the comfort of a cigar room, assessing how their latest weapon fared in the field test.

    In twenty years, when whichever ‘leader’ is installed now, turns and bites like the rabid rottweiler….who ya gonna blame?

    I am all for building proper political accoutability and reasonable approach to international relations, all for it, but that is just the issue.

    Accountability, reform and reason cannot have a foundation of idiocy and callous warfare.

    It takes insight, careful assessment and much work.

    Add to that the ‘coincidence’ of Libya’s current wealth and the contradictory approahc to other similar regimes and one cannot but come to unfortunate conclusions as to motives.


  40. Crusoe

    Why bother man …


  41. @Crusoe

    You wrote the following “By the way, how is an installed government democracy?”

    Hence my response “Is a dictatorship democracy? Here is what Churchill said about democracy “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

    I hope that you exercise your democratic right every four or five years, there are many who never get the opportunity or if they do they have to vote for the only name on the ballot.

    Back to the main point

    Gadaffi threatened to exterminate his own people because they dared to oppose him. Gadaffi does not make idle threats, many Libyan opponents of his regime have been assassinated in foreign lands. Gadaffi sealed his fate from the time he made that threat because it provided all the countries who were standing on the sidelines the excuse to intervene, these countries had privately concluded that the rag tag group of rebels who opposed him were no match for his trained soldiers.

    Now he will probably suffer the same fate as Saddam i.e.at the end of a rope if a “smart bomb’ doesn’t take him out first.

    What embargo? Who suffers under and embargo? Certainly not the leaders, impose an embargo and give him free rein of the country so he can massacre the people who fought against him.

    Why are you sure that a Gov’t will be installed? There are many able Libyans who are capable of governing their country some even worked for Gadaffi in the past, the days of “installed” Gov’ts are long over


  42. @BAFBFP

    I am insulted, here I was thinking that I was a fulltime idiot and you only give me credit as a “part time idiot”

    I am crushed


  43. Sargeant has met with these men and know them intimately, to the point where he can comfortably refer to them by first and or last name. Funny how people CREATE horrible scenarios to defend the actions of the mighty and ignore the obvious atrocities of the same mighty, who they support and promote. Cowards to a fault. The West Can Do No Wrong…!


  44. You know I really do wish that you were a full time idiot, because then I would ignore you; you would be one less poster to consider. Sorry but part time idiot is the best that I can do … can’t explain it otherwise


  45. The US and NATO continue to pound Libya, looks like Sarge will get his wish.

    This guy must have done something really bad, in fact you can compare what he did to what the Syrian government is doing – SHOOTING CIVILIANS!


  46. If these guys have the intelligence where Gadaffi is why has it taken 2 months to sortie him out?

    NATO has carried out 2,600 bombing sorties over the past two months, which reached a new peak in Tripoli early Tuesday when, according to NATO officials, 28 bunker-busting bombs were dropped on Colonel Qaddafi’s compound.

    The Guardian quoted the official as saying that the sense that the Libyan leader has been rattled by the bombing is one of the reasons that Mr. Cameron and the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, have approved the deployment of attack helicopters as part of the NATO air campaign. British officials have said that adding British Apaches and French Tiger helicopters equipped with powerful missiles will allow for low-level, pinpoint attacks on urban targets, including Libyan officials.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/world/africa/27libya.html?_r=2


  47. @David

    Please don’t saddle me as having a yearning to see Gadaffi bombed re your comment “looks like Sarge will get his wish.”

    I was expressing an opinion on how events are likely to unfold in Libya. When NATO started their campaign against Libya how did you think it was going to end? You thought that they would drop a few bombs and fold their tents and go home if he didn’t step down? They are “in for a penny in for a pound’ If they left him in power his gonads would fill the whole of North Africa and give him unprecedented power and prestige.

    They don’t want him to become the poster boy for a group of would be dictators.


  48. So Sarge, two questions, if you wish to consider an answer.

    – who will take charge of Libya’s massive wealth after this ‘operation’?

    – who will get the contracts for the massive rebuilding that these bombings create the need for, Arab companies (not subsisiaries of foerign entities), African companies (ditto), Chinese companies, Soviet companies, South American companies, Caribbean companies or…US, British and French companies?

    Will the contracts be issued by tender as is the internationally recognised standard, will these tenders be ‘independently’ verified, by a panel ncluding Libyan and Arab and African neighbours who would hold Libya’s interests at heart, or would it be a selection committee of British, French and US people?

    Ha ha.

    Sorry Sarge, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, chances are…its a duck!


  49. Hilary Clinton is reported as saying that US is committed to a relationship with Pakistan.

    Is it not more than ‘passing strange’ that this commitment is stated at a time just after Pakistan, whether by desin or fault has been caught harbouring the ‘world’s most wanted terrorist’?

    That Pakistan did not thank the US for removing said danger from their territory but instead has chastised the US , is not only inexplicable but is all the more reason that the US opening endorsing the regime should be queried.

    That Gaddafi did not harbour such an individual or representative of such an extreme group, seems of little concern to the powers that be.

    What if Gaddafi had?

    Yet, the Murdoch driven media asks us and even manages to persuade the sheeples, to accept that these two contrdictory treatments make sense.

    Further, that Saudi Arabia has long being known as a major source of funding for terrorists groups is being willingly ignored, bacause tehy are an ‘ally’, whatever that means.

    The West has overplayed its hand and exposed its motives, all too clearly.

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