A Feast Of Blood For NATO Last Night

Cynthia McKinney, in Tripoli (Repost)

 While serving on the House International Relations Committee from 1993 to 2003, it became clear to me that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was an anachronism.  Founded in 1945 at the end of World War II, NATO was founded by the United States in response to the Soviet Union’s survival as a Communist state.  NATO was the U.S. insurance policy that capitalist ownership and domination of European, Asian, and African economies would continue.  This also would ensure the survival of the then-extant global apartheid.

NATO is a collective security pact wherein member states pledge that an attack upon one is an attack against all.  Therefore, should the Soviet Union have attacked any European Member State, the United States military shield would be activated.  The Soviet Response was the Warsaw Pact that maintained a “cordon sanitaire” around the Russian Heartland should NATO ever attack.  Thus, the world was broken into blocs which gave rise to the “Cold War.”

Avowed “Cold Warriors” of today still view the world in these terms and, unfortunately, cannot move past Communist China and an amputated Soviet Empire as enemy states of the U.S. whose moves any where on the planet are to be contested.  The collapse of the Soviet Union provided an accelerated opportunity to exert U.S. hegemony in an area of previous Russian influence.  Africa and the Eurasian landmass containing former Soviet satellite states and Afghanistan and Pakistan along with the many other “stans” of the region, have always factored prominently in the theories of “containment” or “rollback” guiding U.S. policy up to today.

With that as background, last night’s NATO rocket attack on Tripoli is inexplicable.  A civilian metropolitan area of around 2 million people, Tripoli sustained 22 to 25 bombings last night, rattling and breaking windows and glass and shaking the foundation of my hotel.

I left my room at the Rexis Al Nasr Hotel and walked outside the hotel and I could smell the exploded bombs. There were local people everywhere milling with foreign journalists from around the world. As we stood there more bombs struck around the city. The sky flashed red with explosions and more rockets from NATO jets cut through low cloud before exploding.

I could taste the thick dust stirred up by the exploded bombs. I immediately thought about the depleted uranium munitions reportedly being used here–along with white phosphorus.  If depleted uranium weapons were being used what affect on the local civilians?

Women carrying young children ran out of the hotel. Others ran to wash the dust from their eyes.  With sirens blaring, emergency vehicles made their way to the scene of the attack.  Car alarms, set off by the repeated blasts, could be heard underneath the defiant chants of the people.

Sporadic gunfire broke out and it seemed everywhere around me.  Euronews showed video of nurses and doctors chanting even at the hospitals as they treated those injured from NATO’s latest installation of shock and awe.  Suddenly, the streets around my hotel became full of chanting people, car horns blowing, I could not tell how many were walking, how many were driving.  Inside the hotel, one Libyan woman carrying a baby came to me and asked me why are they doing this to us?

Whatever the military objectives of the attack (and I and many others question the military value of these attacks) the fact remains the air attack was launched a major city packed with hundreds of thousands of civilians.

I did wonder too if the any of the politicians who had authorized this air attack had themselves ever been on the receiving end of laser guided depleted uranium munitions. Had they ever seen the awful damage that these weapons do a city and its population? Perhaps if they actually been in the city of air attack and felt the concussion from these bombs and saw the mayhem caused they just might not be so inclined to authorize an attack on a civilian population.

I am confident that NATO would not have been so reckless with human life if they had called on to attack a major western city. Indeed, I am confident that would not be called upon ever to attack a western city. NATO only attacks (as does the US and its allies) the poor and underprivileged of the 3rd world.

Only the day before, at a women’s event in Tripoli, one woman came up to me with tears in her eyes:  her mother is in Benghazi and she can’t get back to see if her mother is OK or not.  People from the east and west of the country lived with each other, loved each other, intermarried, and now, because of NATO’s “humanitarian intervention,” artificial divisions are becoming hardened.  NATO’s recruitment of allies in eastern Libya smacks of the same strain of cold warriorism that sought to assassinate Fidel Castro and overthrow the Cuban Revolution with “homegrown” Cubans willing to commit acts of terror against their former home country.  More recently, Democratic Republic of Congo has been amputated de facto after Laurent Kabila refused a request from the Clinton Administration to formally shave off the eastern part of his country.  Laurent Kabila personally recounted the meeting at which this request and refusal were delivered.  This plan to balkanize and amputate an African country (as has been done in Sudan) did not work because Kabila said “no” while Congolese around the world organized to protect the “territorial integrity” of their country.

I was horrified to learn that NATO allies (the Rebels) in Libya have reportedly lynched, butchered and then their darker-skinned compatriots after U.S. press reports labeled Black Libyans as “Black mercenaries.”  Now, tell me this, pray tell.  How are you going to take Blacks out of Africa?  Press reports have suggested that Americans were “surprised” to see dark-skinned people in Africa.  Now, what does that tell us about them?

The sad fact, however, is that it is the Libyans themselves, who have been insulted, terrorized, lynched, and murdered as a result of the press reports that hyper-sensationalized this base ignorance.  Who will be held accountable for the lives lost in the bloodletting frenzy unleashed as a result of these lies?

Which brings me back to the lady’s question:  why is this happening?  Honestly, I could not give her the educated reasoned response that she was looking for.  In my view the international public is struggling to answer “Why?”.

What we do know, and what is quite clear, is this:  what I experienced last night is no “humanitarian intervention.”

Many suspect it is about all the oil under Libya. Call me skeptical but I have to wonder why the combined armed sea, land and air forces of NATO and the US costing billions of dollars are being arraigned against a relatively small North African country and we’re expected to believe its in the defense of democracy.

What I have seen in long lines to get fuel is not “humanitarian intervention.”  Refusal to allow purchases of medicine for the hospitals is not “humanitarian intervention.”  What is most sad is that I cannot give a cogent explanation of why to people now terrified by NATO’s bombs, but it is transparently clear now that NATO has exceeded its mandate, lied about its intentions, is guilty of extra-judicial killings–all in the name of “humanitarian intervention.”  Where is the Congress as the President exceeds his war-making authority?  Where is the “Conscience of the Congress?”

For those of who disagree with Dick Cheney’s warning to us to prepare for war for the next generation, please support any one who will stop this madness.  Please organize and then vote for peace.  People around the world need us to stand up and speak out for ourselves and them because  Iran and Venezuela are also in the cross-hairs.  Libyans don’t need NATO helicopter gunships, smart bombs, cruise missiles, and depleted uranium to settle their differences.  NATO’s “humanitarian intervention” needs to be exposed for what it is with the bright, shining light of the truth.

As dusk descends on Tripoli, let me prepare myself with the local civilian population for some more NATO humanitarianism.

Stop bombing Africa and the poor of the world!

201 thoughts on “A Feast Of Blood For NATO Last Night


  1. @David
    You perspective has some validity. Indeed, it will prove to be their undoing. I have been concerned( for 20yrs+) on the US’s behalf (and BIM’s as a result) that so easily embracing China and India ‘s rise bound to be a very serious strategic error if only because of the evidence presented by Japan in the 1970s where the Japs shreddded them in Electronics, autos etc based on the same type of strategies being used by China today. If you want to join the men’s club you cant cry when the 225 lb muscular fast bowler is marking out his runup. You gots to play by the rules or go home!

    I believe we agree that leaders must only care about the people under their charge and thus ensure they have jobs, food etc The govt in the US obviously is run by the rich who are greedy beyond belief. Politicians there are NOT statesmen but lackeys, who are in it for the power and $$$$$$. That is why I warned peeps that BO would disappoint alot of voters because he has limits set on what he can CHANGE and like JFK he will presumably face serious lead poisoning if he gets too far outa line. (mind you JFK may well have deserved removal because of his sexual weakness resulting in female East German agents visiting the WH for encounters) NOT a risk with BO cause Mich will” shorten him” or “Bobbit him” if he even thinks about it.


  2. Money

    I normally go Ad hominem with those that I care little of, I have no problem with just leaving you alone


  3. @Crusoe
    Well as you know, the Pakistanis gladly except their US$3BN/ yr.
    No one could possibly trust them! The Taliban are from Pak and purposely invaded Afghanistan to control them and enlist them in their Fundamentalist doctrine. They openly alow madrassas to teach hate and the wiping out of ALL NON MUSLIMS of all races.

    OBL was located in a military town in the heart of the Pak not a couple miles from Afghanistan. Coincidence my hindquarters!

    There were 2 main probs with US auto Coys. Unions had out-negotiated Stempel in 1990 and were being paid total cost of $80/hr, not worth it with Japs receiving $55. Autoco managements were inept and along with pisspoor Govt direction failed to move the market to smaller vehicles. BTW the BO administration and the judiciary played fast and free with pension funds and other investors money when restructuring Chrysler. They ruled against Bondholders who should have legally had a significant piece of the NEWCO, But gave the Unions and Fiat big chunks. Dangerous precedent!

    I have my doubts about whether Chrysler should be saved or even deserved to be saved. 3 US Autocos makes no market sense. They should insist that if you want to sell cars in the US above a certain level of volume you must manufacture in the US. JOBS yes! That is my belief that jobs are Govts priority, always and everywhere, thats why I was upset that Bim lost 1000 jobs with Intel 1n 1980. Find the solution to keep those jobs.

    China and India will cripple the US if they dont change their (USs )approach. Trillions of US$ created by fiat in the last couple of years and what 8mn still officially unemployed, 5.5 mn not working but off the roles, 43 MN on food stamps! House prices still collapsing in many markets. Policy has to harden against Chindia! Neaarly 3BN people want our lifestyle To be continued


  4. When the people of the east migrate to the Wst. They have no problem with embracing their new found freedom and gleefully becomes citizens of those countries. With all the hatred beingthrown around at western Society the word democracy that once divide them from the west is whatgive those people lives a fair chance when compared to the tyrannical rulership under which they lived before


  5. @Crusoe
    The US/West can not permit China et al to have free access to our markets and not reciprocate on an even playing field. That would be like winning the toss and sending China into bat on a perfect batsman’s paradise wicket and after they have scored 750 for 2 we then take the hose and soak the pitch for 3hrs before going out to bat! China has been laughing at how stupid the US is, China’s only major concern is whether they will ever get back their money at close to full purchasing power.


  6. This debate is a lot of fun, so if you folks will indulge me I’ll post the clip I should have posted earlier, the one with Howard Cosell’s call “Down goes Frazier”


  7. @BAFBFP
    I must say that you are very good and forceful in making your points even if sometimes you maybe, well, a little misguided in your political stance or then again maybe you enjoy a lil fun by pushing convincingly hard left and radical.


  8. MoneyB you have not even touched the issue of Chinese cyber attacks to obtain economic, military or Gov’t data.. Recently the US defense contractor Lockheed Martin was the target of these attacks.

    Earlier this year in Canada, The Treasury Board and the Finance Dept had to go offline to try to thwart these attacks.

    I’m sure that we only hear when Western networks are breached but this game is played by both sides.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/cyber-attack-hits-ottawa-probe-focuses-on-ip-addresses-from-china/article1910769/


  9. BAFBFP

    I think that some kind of line was crossed with that comment, David I don’t usually support censorship of any stripe but I think that comment should be stricken from the record.


  10. @Sarge
    WW3 or as some would argue WW4 has already started in CYBERSPACE. Problem is that the Indians and Chinese are very brilliant in that realm and few of us Bajans likely to benefit.
    Except those of us that own stocks that sell natural resources/ commodities to them or hi tech solutions to the Us/ West.


  11. @Sarge,

    ‘Down goes Frazier…down…etc’, the commentator really got into it…

    Seeing Frazier, himself a superlative boxer, being pummelled by Foreman, is jaw-dropping. Note that anyone other than Smoking Joe or Ali would probably have been out cold with the first drop.

    Those three were a class above anyone in the last thirty years, any one of them would have mauled anyone including Buster Douglas, Tyson or Holyfield in the last twenty years.

    Frazier was a legendary boxer in his won right, but he came up against the two most amazing guys in boxing, Ali and Foreman.

    Suffice it to say, at least the three are known for the greatest era in bocing.

    One other point, is that while Foreman may be known for being massive and powerful, if you watch him you will see that he was actually an excellent technical boxer, not just powerful.

    I would suggest that Ken Norton was a fourth to these guys, not that he was not good, but they were amazing.


  12. David | May 30, 2011 at 5:29 PM |

    “BU had hoped BAFBFP would have proffered an apology to ac by now. BU removed the comment.”

    Now what comment are your talking about? How could I possibly have insulted ac?


  13. Moneybrain and Sarge and the Rest

    With reasonable people one can reason. Judging from your thoughts and approach above, there really has been no communication between you and me. I refuse to believe that you are the shining examples of what Crumpton Street and Waterford High Schools could produce … Nah, not wunna


  14. @Crusoe
    Yes I distinctly remember arguing with our HC bros the day of the Frazier vs Foreman Fight in JA and making it clear Foreman was a BEAST that would win, HIT TOO HARD!


  15. @BAFBFP
    You too used to convincing people that dont have independent thoughts and that you overwhelm with your very confident style. Probably would make a star politician!

    I still cant appreciate how you can seriously believe that your list of favourite dictators should even be discussed in the same year with LKY of Singapore.


  16. @Crusoe

    I don’t follow boxing today but when I did it was always the heavyweights. For people in the generation prior to mine their favourite was Joe Louis but my favourite was Cassius Marcellus Clay who became Muhammad Ali.

    For me Ali was the best bar none, I started following him from the time he fought Sonny Liston who was then the most feared heavy weight boxer. Ali put the “sweet” in the “sweet science” as the sport is sometimes called.

    The call “Down goes Frazier” was made by Howard Cosell then one of the most famous sports announcers in the USA, and it is well known among boxing aficionados. The phrase has its own google entry.

    If you really want to watch an excellent boxing documentary I would recommend “When we were Kings” , it won an Academy Award for best documentary in 1996. It covered the events leading up to the fight and the fight between Ali and Foreman in Kinshasa, Zaire in 1974.

    The fight is known as “The Rumble in the Jungle”


  17. @David
    I did not read the comments posted by Baf. However if the comments were derogatory or insensitve. I do respect your response in removing. Critical thinking is an important principle before one exercisesthe right to “free Speech”if not the end result can be damaging to parties involved.


  18. @Sargeant
    Ali was indeed great, although I would like to have seen him at his peak versus Foreman without the gamesmanship ie loose ropes.

    Today boxing has lost prominance to MMA…Mixed Martial Arts.
    I have always been an ardent fan but have lost track over the last few years.


  19. @Sarge, Moneybrain and Crusoe

    How can you guys claim to be boxing aficionados and be so intoxicated/blinded by the heavys – Ali, Forman,Frazier and Norton?

    What about the class down also dominated by Sugar Ray, Hagler, Duran?


  20. Moneybrain

    To be honest, Nothing about you sounds that indepenent to me, and you know something, I have worked in the Philippines and Malaysia, which means of course that I spent weekends in Singapore. Your knack is one of pointing out deficiencies in others that are actually more prevalent in yourself.

    ac

    If I truly had critical thinkers to deal with, there would be no problem


  21. @Sarge / Moneybrain/David,

    Sarge thanks for the tip, will check for the documentary. David, agreed that was a ‘group’ of greats too, but I really could not put that threesome, no matter their superb quality, against Alai, Foreman and Frazier, though some claim that Sugar Ray Leonard was the best pound for pound, while obviously Duran and Hagler were brute forces.

    @All,

    Back on track, from NBC, this is Karzai in the news today ”Karzai said he would no longer allow NATO airstrikes on houses because they have caused too many civilian casualties.

    “If they don’t stop airstrikes on Afghan homes, their presence in Afghanistan will be considered as an occupying force and against the will of the Afghan people,” Karzai told a news conference in Kabul Tuesday. “From this moment, airstrikes on the houses of people are not allowed.”………..
    reporting continued ….”The strikes were ordered after a patrol had come under fire. Graphic television footage after the strikes showed grieving relatives holding the bodies of several children, including babies.

    The commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) later apologized for the deaths, saying the strikes on the compound had been ordered because insurgents were using them as a base. ”

    —–

    There are multiple problems reflected in this news report. Firstly, it obviously reinforces the anger growing against civilian deaths and thus the Nato forces.

    Secondly, the commander’s ‘apology’ and ‘explanation/ excuse’ are unsatisfactory. That the strikes were ordered, in spite of possibility pprobability of civilians also being at the properties and thus possible or probable civilian deaths indicates callouness, indeed the excuse itself is callous, indicating that they made the decision, in spite of possible to use their term ‘collateral damage’.

    Dead children and I even have trouble writing this next ‘dead babies’, can not ever be ‘collateral damage’.

    Sick and twisted.

    That these areas were bombed per se and the ‘reason’, reflects a third problem in that the Nato forces are, rightfully afraid to use ground forces, because they expect their own casualties to mount if they do, hence in trying the limit their own badybags going home, they have chosen civilian casualties instead.

    The fourth problem partially dervived from the third but in of itself different philosophically, is that this war is unwinnable.

    Contrary to the media glorificaiton of bombings in the Iraq war, it is not possible to ‘win hearts and minds’ by bombing the bejeezus out of a nation, nor is it possible to win hearts and minds by war in of itself.

    War or invasion, whatever you want to call it, is a matter of conquest and forced change, anyone who tells you otherwise is talking nonsense and being deliberately misleading.

    Thus, from a goal perspective, I assert that this will be unwinnable, because the goal of removing the Taliban and extremists will not be achieved, without significant further time and effort, which is already proving troublesome.

    The removal of Bin Laden was the most effective method to be applied, albeit Pakistan’s vexation and charge that it must not happen again, not sure why they would say that, unless the know that Zawahiri is also on their soil.

    Tactical and surgical removal of such ‘targets’, also removal of any training camps as they sprout, together with media used for education and social changes, is probably the best way forward.

    Hence, why media such as Voice of America, BBC, and internet educaiton, are so important in opening the minds around the world and educating as to lifestyle alternatives.

    You may call it propaganda, but as we see from American television the reality is that, media can have profound effects on a nations thought process, even capturing the nation in some instances.

    Hence, from a tactical viewpoint, one should put resources into broadcast media across those areas, with translations etc.

    Without that, any military works will not be effectual in the long run.


  22. These thugs are invading sovereign territories under the guise of protecting civilians from dictators. In the process they cause more human death and suffering than any of the dictators could be held responsible for. My problem is that the critical independent thinkers ’bout hey see this as justifiable.

    I wish that these NATO people would miss and “surgically strike” Crumpton Street High and Waterford High pun a Sunday (when nobody dey) and we gun see how fast opinions gun change ’bout hey …!


  23. Crusoe,

    A NATO bomb kills my child and NATO controlled television and internet will help to make me feel better … Jesus Christ, what is wrong with you people ..?


  24. @ David

    Would you please delete the comment above that was made by ac. It is unwarranted and very insulting; some kind of line was crossed!!! 🙂


  25. sock it to them ac. your comments are the most balanced. what amazes me is that since it is a given that most of the economies in the caribbean depend on the vagaries of the us economy and by extension the so called corruption and atrocities and god knows what else to keep it afloat which benefit us directly or indirectly, yet we shortsightedly seem to find pleasure in lashing the great satan from whose crumbs we benefit but on the other hand extolling the vicious virtues of barbaric countires like russia and china who have invaded nations with impunity and countries like cuba zimbabwe and other african countries ruled by despots without free and fair elections and who have shown no mercy to their own citizens who dissent.you hypocrites whom i am sure are still in receipt of us documentation, give me a break. i hold no brief for the us but citizens from barbados, the caribbean, and the other wparts of the world seeking opportunuty and a better life do not go to russia, china, cuba, zimbabwe, venezuela , they go to the great satan first, the second satan england second and betwixt and between canada third.


  26. @BAFBFPO, exactly, the killing of children is plain wrong, which is the point I have made repeatedly, not sure you are reading me correctly.

    @Balance,

    WRONG. Many students here are indeed using opportunities from China, Venexuela (have for years) and Cuba.

    Secondly, it is people like you who stood aside and let Hitler murder Jews and Japan slaughter Asians, until the idiot Japanese decided to bomb Pearl Harbour.

    People like you only feel it when it hits home. Obviously you see nothing wrong with the latest ‘Nato’ casualties.

    You are your ‘collateral damage’.


  27. BAFBFP: “Balance, You Retard …!”

    An argument of uncommon concision and bewildering pointlessness.


  28. BAFBFP: “NATO controlled television and internet”

    Mnnnn … right. And I always loved that statue of Elvis on the moon. Mnnnn …


  29. Richard Head

    Hi man heed these words … You just can’ come in at end and drop remarks dah don’ connect with the sentiments of people who have been commenting over the past few days … Retard!

    Crusoe;

    You strike me as an honest man. After all of the evidence that have been dug up on this Pearl Harbor deal, do you not think that the Japanese had good cause to militarily take on the US? They were actually sucked into the war, and the one serious mistake that they made is that they went soft, being honorable they did not obliterate the place and proceed onwards from there. They did just enough to put the facility out of commission and withdrew. The response was two nuclear warheads dropped on civilian targets at the break of dawn, to my mind the greatest war crime of them all, but of course many among you will not see it so …


  30. They only reason America hasn’t obliterated Castro and his Generals the way they doing Gadaffi is because Key West is about 90 mls offshore o Cuba. and it would be pointless starting a war that eventually would have brought Castro t his knees and would have”maybe caused civilian casualty in Key west. Truthfully it wouldn’t have worth it. In the mean time Castro has brought his people to their knees with rampant poverty and unnecessary death trying to flee from “The Iron Fist” .The Bay of pigs was a failure due to the lack of proper planning and america depending on the anti castro rebels .Castro might have think he dogged the bullet but only time will tell.


  31. i might be retard but i am not a stranger to the truth or the proverbial jackass who can’t think for myself. the problem with people like you is that you can’t separate fact from fiction and allow emotion to cloud your judgment. the scholarships from cuba are given to boost the image of the regime on the backs of the majority of downtrodden cuban workers who can’t make ends meet.bajans getting schorlarships or free eye care in cuba are better off than the average person in cuba. had not for the great satan and the second satan, and hitler had had his way perhaps you would be singing a different tune now.and the cold war was started by the soviet union, not the west.


  32. @ac….
    They only reason America hasn’t obliterated Castro and his Generals the way they doing Gadaffi is because Key West is about 90 mls offshore o Cuba. and it would be pointless starting a war that eventually would have brought Castro t his knees and would have”maybe caused civilian casualty in Key west.

    Seriously ac…I am kind of lost here. Can you explain this a bit more in detail?
    I don’t want to come away with the wrong impression.


  33. ac i have a different perspective on the bay of pigs fiasco. it was planned to fail from the start. was the usa prepared to handle the fallout which would have resulted with the influx of free cubans invading the shores of florida? i am beginning to wonder if the supposed cold war between cuba and the usa is not a hoax used by both countires for their own ends.


  34. ac i have a different perspective on the bay of pigs fiasco. it was planned to fail from the start. was the usa prepared to handle the fallout which would have resulted with the influx of free cubans invading the shores of florida? i am beginning to wonder if the supposed cold war between cuba and the usa is not a hoax used by both countires for their own ends. my first comment.


  35. …..’the problem with people like you is that you can’t separate fact from fiction and allow emotion to cloud your judgment.’

    In all fairness……much of what was once passed on as fact , has now been proven to be fiction and vice versa.


  36. Techie

    I guess you know where Key West is? Taking that into consideration. The possibility of Cuba retaliating would be no doubt! Then don’t you think a war similar to which is being levy on Libya would have affected the citizens of Key West which would have caused more of an overflow of Cubans seeking refuge to the USA. That’s Why the embargo was used because it has less cost for the USA and no death on the part of the US citizen ad as well as Cubans . Waging a war with Cuba would eventually cost the USA millions not to mention death on both sides and for what?.


  37. @David
    Actually I did think of straying further into that but decided to bring in the MMA. Today, Pacquiao, Sugar Shane etc and a few years back Pernell”Sweet Pea” Whittiker, Roy JonesJnr, The Golden Boy…


  38. @BAFBFP
    No need to get dicombobulated because Your magic does not work on me. Indeed, I am a strong personality who does think INDEPENDENTLY but am willing to consider your POV.

    I have made many decisions in my life that very few had the confidence in themselves to make eg going against the crowd and selling most stocks BEFORE the Stock market Crashes of 2000-2003 and 2007-2009. Buying Gold in 2002 at $300 and believing in its rise ever since when most Investment Managers thought Gold was a “Barborous relic”. I regularly go up against highly accepted investment wisdom and point out the flaws.

    I have praised you for your tenacity and ability BUT you dont seem to realise that regardless of what policies, corruption and the detailed info we will never have, there is only one way we can judge Cuba vs Singapore and that is RESULTS on the key variables
    1 standard of living 2 FREEDOM et al. The truth is Cuba is very far back NOT even in LKY rear view mirror. You see LKY’s dictatorial ways in the same light as Fidel’s BUT I really doubt that is fair to LKY.


  39. Moneybrain

    My simple question is this. How long do you think Singapore and LKY would have lasted had they been placed under the same type of embargo as Cuba (or as it turns out, Zimbabwe)?. How long do you think LKY would have lived if he carried the same size target on his back as many of the leaders that you are so hostile towards?

    You are a trader then …. You and BIMBRO / Man With No Name will make good mates. Your exploits in that world does not amaze me as too many in your line of work just follow the crowd and plunge the rest of the world into deep shit. I make money the old fashion way, through design, production and sales. Your one-up manship carries no clout ’bout hey Padre…!


  40. How about Cubas success story which is a great model for the world to follow only losers would appreciate that kind of success.Scientist etc good for early morning laugh . Loser!


  41. Hi ac

    Last year I made 1.2 million dollars in international sales alone. I gave a lot of it away to charity. With that in mind, I think maybe I have something real to offer … What say you mag girl?


  42. babufo- the embargo is a tool used by the regime to rally the people in its denunciation of the usa. one day it will be exposed for the myth it is. research suggest that over 173 countries trade with cuba and the usa is its fourth largest trading partner.does this not boggle the mind?


  43. Four years ago Allan Stanford was forced by the Government of the United States of America to drop the Cuban Cricket team from his inter-regional competition. I swear to God, a good few ah wunna people in just seriously mislead, wunna sick as shite …!


  44. balance | June 1, 2011 at 7:28 AM |

    babufo- the embargo is a tool used by the regime to rally the people in its denunciation of the usa. one day it will be exposed for the myth it is. research suggest that over 173 countries trade with cuba and the usa is its fourth largest trading partner.does this not boggle the mind?

    This statement certainly does boggle the mind.
    A tool used by the regime?
    I am lost 😉


  45. Wait ac I always knew that you had a pair of nice looking eyes, wait don’ tell me you willing to sell them now. …? Wah price you askin’?


  46. @BAFBFP
    My bro YOU challenged my ability to think INDEPENDENTLY, remember? This has nothing to do with one upsmanship! The point is there are very few people who have the independent thoughts to conclude that stocks are going to crash and advise their clients to get out or reduce their exposure substantially. I doubt even 5%. The reality is that i DONT follow the crowd and I DIDNT contribute to the creation of this massive fiasco and MOST importantly my clients did not suffer.

    I am pleased that you are comfortable in your creative exploits and I trust that you have made your clients as happy as I have made mine during times of serious uncertainty.

    LKY was clever enough to figure out that the winning formulae was an incentive based system and not an utopian system that is totally impractical and where the vast majority of humans are incapable of faithfully performing. Naturally, when you are located 90 miles from the then largest incentive economy and you purposely join with their arch enemy that bound to lead to problems. But my personal opinion is that Embargoes are wrong because it hurts the kids, poor etc and the pols still have access to all the spoils.


  47. I have heard that Cuba and the US conduct alot of business but I have no way to prove that. In reality the main reason the US continues this embargo nonsense is due to very powerful Cubans and the millions of votes they represent. I anticipate that this sentiment is starting to fade since the last research pole i heard of suggested that it has been relegated to a fairly low position.


  48. Moneybrain | June 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM |

    …..’ In reality the main reason the US continues this embargo nonsense is due to very powerful Cubans and the millions of votes they represent.’

    balance | June 1, 2011 at 7:28 AM |

    babufo- the embargo is a tool used by the regime to rally the people in its denunciation of the usa. one day it will be exposed for the myth it is.

    Interesting points! 😉


  49. Moneybrain | June 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM |

    “I have heard that Cuba and the US conduct alot of business but I have no way to prove that. In reality the main reason the US continues this embargo nonsense is due to very powerful Cubans and the millions of votes they represent”

    And you have no way to prove that the politicians are guilty of all this corruption that you have insinuated as well (In any event, corruption knows no political boundaries) If you want to fault anything about the way people live in Cuba, you must first focus on the “US continuing this embargo nonsense”. And in the same vain, the US invading Iraq under the guise that its president had designs of invading all of its neighboring states is also nonsense; that Osama Bin Laden (who was not even on the FBI’s most wanted list) was responsible for 9-11 is also nonsense; that the President of Libya was killing its citizens in a manner that would not have taken place anywhere else in the world under similar conditions is also nonsense … and so on!

    Nonsense happens because people who are gifted enough to know better simply DO NOT TRY HARD ENOUGH, and in so doing, allow the true criminals of this world to continue doing what they have become accustom to doing, but with more arrogance and reckless abandon. The guys and the system that you stand strongly behind is today mankind’s greatest enemy. I hope to be on BU long enough to witness yourself and BIMBRO come close (at least close) to admitting this!


  50. @BAFBFP
    I stand strongly behind no Politician, Party or ism as practiced currently. While I believe in Incentive based systems and many would like to categorise me as Rightwing in fact I do believe in some Socialist concepts BUT with ACCOUNTABILITY/ DISCIPLINE. The reason is the weakness of humans who appreciate CARROT or STICK.

    I fail to see how it is nonsense that Sodamninsane was not interested in invading neighbours when he did fight with Iran and invaded Kuwait! Now you may argue that the US Ambassador purposely gave him the OK for Kuwait BUT if that was so why didnt the US go to Baghdad then. That failure really pissed off the Shia, who were very happy and ready to deal with the Bathists and Sode.

    OBL was not on the FBI list? I cant remember that, but when Clinton FAILED to deal with him in 1998 I was convinced of an ever increasing emboldened effort so when WTC occured I immediately assumed OBL was responsible. Maybe he wasnt involved but if Clinton had conducted his neutralisation earlier I could not have reached such conclusions.

    Regading the corrupt Wall St/ Washington Cabal that have fried World finances I have expressed that those involved should be tried, convicted, jailed and all ill gotten gains placed in a pool to assist the harmed. I dont approve of the actions taken to date because all the banks should have been taken over by the Govt and all shares should have been rendered worthless. Then Govt could have professionals repair the damage and 5-10 yrs later the banks could be sold into the markets at a profit in order to repay taxpayers.

    I have no intention of singlehandedly making a ruckus on Wall st or Washington since that is the job of far more powerful professional politicians and the very rich.

    While I have already elucidated my view that there is plenty EVIL in the West the results of head to head comparisons between Communist Nations/ ME Dictatorships versus “Western” Nations of various stripes can be easily solved by one key variable……..IN WHAT DIRECTION HAVE PEOPLE BEEN FLEEING IN THE LAST 50YRS? WHOSE CITIZENS HAVE RESORTED TO UNRELIABLE INNER TUBES/ OTHER craft to ESCAPE WHICH SYSTEM? When there is an overwhelming reversal in this flow I will consider changing my bottom line view. What is most disturbing is that you insist that the ME and other dictators are better than Western leaders, the onus is on you to bring the bountiful evidence necessary to persuade me.


  51. @ “moneybrain”
    “Those theocrats would use their arsenal of bombs to kill everybody on Earth, based on their belief that all non-muslims deserve to die and the Muslims will die and go to heaven with their deserved 72 Vestal Virgins. I begging you to learn to THINK FIRST before chatting crap.”

    Wasn’t it Hitler who said “…for a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the ‘truth’ so infamously.” and Goebbels, his propagandist: with THE BIG LIE TECHNIQUES; which is based on the principle that “a lie, if AUDACIOUS ENOUGH and REPEATED ENOUGH TIMES, will be believed by the masses.” seem like you are an ardent repeater of the BIG LIE

    Who blitzed London, Palestine, carpet bombed Germany,Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the many other places that would exhaust these pages? Were they “crazy ass” Muslims? WHO WERE THEY???

    Stop pretending to have a working brain…every time you try to think away-from the channels of FOX CNN, BBC and the likes, you slip in your own drivel

    The West is in a NO WIN position because if they continue doing business with dictators they are WRONG and if they lift a fingure to help remove the said same Dictator they are WRONG!”
    So Mr. “Moneybrain” you buys eggs from a neighbour, you wake up one morning and decide that the neighbour is an awful cretin so you get your dynamite and blow his house up? What about letting him ‘stuff’ his eggs and live n let live?

    Dropping in your DISCLAIMER: “I am not condoning bombing Tripoli and I am not suggesting current methods of engagement are acceptable…” is suppose to make it more palatable does it?

    Stop pretending to have a working brain…every time you try to think away from the channels of FOX CNN, BBC, you slip in your drivel


  52. @Franktalk
    You seem to be suggesting that it is a myth that Fundamentalist Islamists exist? Totally a figament of CNN et al? Madrassas dreamed up? Iamanutjob is no doubt your blood brother. Next you will say that the London Bombs were placed by Scotland Yard, not Islamist fundamentalist who did NOT even care to PROTECT other Muslims by avoiding the Edgeware Rd Bus, a known route with heavy Muslim traffic.

    So in another time period supposed Christians (mainly caucasians, if you like) fought each other and bombed/ killed horrendous numbers of people. Additionally, the Natzis conned the Germans into condoning atrocities. I never said that this info was false! So what? It does not absolve Fundamentalist terrorists of anything. They are crazy ass fundamentalists and as long as they want to kill innocent people(and even you) they must be dealt with just as the Natzis and Japanese were. Maybe you have proof that WW2 was a conspiracy of the Evil British Empire or????
    Seems like you are walking in your own crap as you are NOT making any point whatsoever! Your attempts should focus on elucidating the situation and on how I am being conned and why. Naturally, that will prove a tough assignment so you resort to making a fool of yourself with some assistance from yours truly.

    You should know that the dominant leader regardless of whether it is a country, sports team, person et al is in the position of being considered wrong no matter what. Basic principle of human existance that is all i was saying, there was no specific application to Libya specifically, but of course you missed that, mussee all that crap coming from your head. NB head not brain!

    Feel free to go and live with your brothers in Pakistan, the Taliban Pakistanis who infested Afghanistan, the nutjobs in Iran who the Iranians themselves would dearly love to remove, it is only a matter of time before these crazies cause the death of millions. Afterall they have been using their own propaganda to influence young people to kill themselves, it is working far better than Hitler and Goebells ever managed.


  53. Moneybrain

    I am obliged to carry on from Frank Talk above.

    You might not be aware of this, but Iraq has always had a traditional claim on Kuwait (very much like Venezuela and the larger part of Guyana). For centuries until the British separated the two, Iraq claimed supervisory authority, and it was one of the Bath party’s promises to return the Kingdom to civilian government. When Hussein invaded the kingdom, and yes with the blessings of the US, he made the claim that both countries were tapping from a common subterranean resource and that the Kingdom was over-exploiting it. He referred to this as “economic terrorism”. Why do you fault Mr. Hussein for invading one neighbor and condone the US and UK’s invasion and occupation of Iraq (and the killing of 1.5 MILLION people in the process)?

    And what is this talk of “Clinton FAILING to deal with him (OBL) in 1998 (conducted his neutralization)” … You sir are advocating MURDER; murder of a bona-fide citizen of a sovereign state. Do you not therefore think that it is equally relevant to have the leaders of Western countries dealt with in like manner? After all Clinton did “surgically strike” a milk production plant in Libya, killing a few of its workers (He also killed the Presidents son and maimed his daughter) all in a bid to draw media attention from his having his cock sucked in the White House by a member of staff. By the way had Clinton “neutralized” OBL you can be sure that 9-11 would still have taken place. All that would have changed is that the blame would have been pinned on someone else..!

    Canadian executives are fleeing to places like Barbados in a bid to get away from the cold. Does that make the standard of living in Barbados higher than that of Canada? The West advertises itself at every opportunity as the land of milk and honey. The US has been attracting immigrants for centuries; its “Statue of Liberty” proclaims a welcome to such people and yes many go from all corners of the world, TO THEIR PERIL!. You read of the few success stories but the numerous failures are never spoken of.

    It is human nature to believe that grass is greener on the other side. Cubans like Barbadians and Scotsmen and Irishmen and Italians have this human failing. Nuff said …!


  54. @BAFBFP

    It seems that there is a full time clown who is a certified Saddam ass kisser to boot.

    First you claim that Saddam’s soldiers were wrongfully accused of murdering the Kurds
    ( they must have stuck their collective noggins in the oven) and then you claim that Hussein invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was exploiting a common source of oil.

    So why did “Mr.Hussein” invade Iran?

    However while you mull that one over it would be useful to check your facts when you are spouting your BS; here is another question when did Clinton bomb Libya? Could you tell me when Gaddafi’s son was killed? If you wanted to provide titillating details of what Clinton was doing or what was being done to him it doesn’t mean you can make up your own facts.


  55. Hey Sargeant

    If ever there was an ass kisser, it most definitely would be you…! It might not interest you to know that a few of

    Gaddafi’s grand children were also killed just a few weeks ago. And this too is alright with you. You sir and your

    insults, fcuk, like water off a duck’s back. The fact that there are many many Bajans who think like you is indicative of

    the level of stupidity and ignorance that is out there giving the true “International Terrorists” of this world a ready

    market to forge a popular opinion in their defense, is sickening!

    There is no question of the horrendous waste of tax payers dollars in trying to educate such a stupid lot … My God!

    How do you eradicate this slave gene …? I would if given the opportunity, bomb all ah wunna … Matter done!


  56. Yes, it was Reagan that ordered the surgical strike on Libya, when Gaddafi was shooting off his mouth, but then, Gaddafi has not threatened anyone since, which is what makes the current action invalid,as repeaded ad nauseum, the excuse that NATO has gone into Libya to protect Libyan cilivians is contryary to the lack of action in Egypt, Syria, numerous South American countries, Sudan and on and on.

    As I said at the beginning, this is about power and money, full stop.

    The master plan must include Iran, but the Iranian regime is not such an easy target, mainly because of the religious element as an arm of Government, which Gaddafi did not have to lean on, aside from the fact that the Iranian forces are formidable in of themselves.

    To suggest that embargoes do not weaken an economy is idiotic. There can be no more said on that.

    As for ‘success’, are you aware that the US economic outlook is currently declining again and that house prices, that simple measure of house building, financing and therefore major economic driver, are falling yet again.

    The US Government will at some point, to bolster the economy, be forced into public infrastructure projects such as bridge renewals, urban renewals, train system upgrades etc.

    That will be the only option to regenerating the US economy with a long enough curve to matter.

    Unfortunately it will also take mucho dollars, that must be got from somewhere, if nothing else reducing funding to their military by huge amounts.

    There is little doubt that both the European economies (and I focused on Greece and Portugal, not Spain because those are the two every close to reneging on their sovereign debt….in answer to Sargeant,he obviously missed what I said before about sovereign debt) and US economies are still under severe distress.

    There will be no upturn in Europe for at least five years, but you are probably looking at more a ten to fifteen year horizon on a stabilisation, depending on how the citizens there realise the issues, which they have failed to, up to now, as they reject their Governments’ austerity programmes.

    So, success is rather relative, albeit lifestyle is generally considered the yardstick.

    It does come with a cost, however.


  57. BAFBFP

    Looks like you can’t stand the heat, if you want to insult others with impunity be prepared to get some back. I didn’t call you a “pussy” did I? I think you wrote that as a response to another blogger. If anyone contradicts your puerile nonsense the immediate response is to call them names

    As I said before you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts here are a few examples of what you posted:

    *****

    Of Bin Laden

    “I am also inclined to believe that OBL had nothing to do with these things that he is accused of. OBL was up against a very clever foe with limitless resources and a fully compliant media. Yes, he was framed”

    Of Saddam

    “His soldiers may be wrongfully accused of killing over sixty thousand Kurds”

    “he made the claim that both countries were tapping from a common subterranean resource and that the Kingdom was over-exploiting it”
    *******
    There are other examples and people can read the other posts if they choose to do so but I should warn them that that time is the one thing that one can never recover.

    So I called you a clown, big deal, if the clown shoes fit wear ‘em.


  58. Hey BAFBFP

    I forgot to mention that I agreed with you when you wrote the following:

    ****
    “the level of stupidity and ignorance that is out there giving the true “International Terrorists” of this world a ready”
    *******
    Have you looked in the mirror recently?


  59. @BAFBFP
    You are to be commended for coming to the assistance of Franktalk because he needs your help and others of your ability also. What is really disappointing, my bro, is the flimsy argument that you bring to the table in defence of the vile dictator, Sodamninsane.

    Firstly, Sode was claiming Kuwait was sucking all HIS oil. The majority of Iraq oil is in the East on the Iranian border and this clown SODE, did little to develop and earn revenue for his Nation.
    If he was even a mediocre leader he could have had record per barrel revenue on an additional 3MN bar/day which at $50 is about $55BN in revenue/ yr.

    You defend Sode invading Kuwait on the grounds of the Brits rejigging of the borders, which to my knowledge is true, BUT if that is considered legit then Sode should have simultaneously given independence to the Kurds et al provinces that were NOT historically part of Iraq instead of using Chemical Weapons to kill them in their thousands(children, women and old folks included).

    The US/UK et al invaded Iraq to liberate the majority Shia and to send a message , on behalf of the Saudis, that expansionary moves in their direction was absolutely a no go. If Sode was clever he would never have put up more than token resistance BUT he knew the Shia wanted Sunni/ Bathist BLOOD after 50 yrs of murder, rape and torture, to say nothing of economic disadvantage. The allies were very welcomed by the majority Shia who had been very disappointed that they had not gone to Baghdad in the First Gulf War. I dont claim to have all the reasons why so many died BUT it is conceivable that if the Allies had quickly left Iraq they would have been in contravention of UN rules and the Civil War that would surely have ensued might easily have cost 2-3x the lives. Maybe the Allies should have left them to solve their future on their own BUT you guys would be squawking about 3mn lives lost. Like I have mentioned repeatedly the big guy always will be criticised regardless.

    OBL was pleading for neutralisation in 1998 But Monica was sucking the life out of Willi! Poor old willi the SOCIOPATH! Your claim that 911 would have taken place regardless of OBL is based only on your conviction about a false flag attack. To be continued shortly


  60. @ Sargeant

    Crusoe corrected on the perpetrator; it was Reagen and not Clinton who dropped the bomb on Gaddafi’s home and “neutralised” his children. The facts as stated stand, and you have nothing , not even a refuting. Hey man, just be the half a’ idiot that you were designed to be and lef de place.

    Moneybrain

    “The US/UK et al invaded Iraq to liberate the majority Shia and to send a message”, even if this were true, how could you know, but like you I “believe” that it is part of the reason for the invasion/occupation, it is still criminal and plain wrong. Can you not see this? Crusoe is fixated on the business element of invading other countries and agrees that that reason is also dead wrong and therefore criminal! What is so difficult about this to understand? Who the fcuk gives these “gangsters” the moral right to act in defense of people that did not even request the help in the first place? Who the fcuk gives these “gangsters” the moral right to take the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and determine who is an appropriate leader and who is not ? And again, there were no “Allies”, they were dubbed the “Coalition of the Willing” who carried out there plan by dispensing with “Legal Niceties” (which of course included the seal of Kofi Annan, what an ass in every other respect) and so on …


  61. What ever Husseins short coming as a strategist in the exploiting of his natural resource is not a reason to separate him from any other leader in the world. Some say that he was not prepared to drain his potential reserves in the same way as the Saudis. He ran a far better economy. He had far better reason to reclaim Kuwait than any combination of Western countries in a some morally acceptable ploy against him


  62. @BAFBFP
    It is very logical to assume that without OBL, Taliban and the Gang might not have been strong enough to warrant the creation of a false flag attack, assuming that such strategy did take place.

    You reached a new low (surprisingly) with your comments on Cnd Exec going to Bdos. Surely you know that the said folks are fleeing OPPRESSIVE TAXATION, the revenue from which is waisted by politicians feathering their own political nests and encouraging enduring unsustainable DEPENDENCE in the process. I certainly hope there are many such Execs improving the standard of living in Bim with their expenditures.

    You then proceed to suggest that immigrants to the West (assuming Nth Am &Europe) have mixed results. Naturally true because they are of mixed ability, mixed work ethic etc. However it must be noted that many countries, including Bim, depend on their emigrants remittances of hard currency (maybe soon formerly) as a major foreign exchange and revenue source. The opportunity is there and many Bajans et al, improve their finances considerably I know since I do business with them eg car dealer Sales Manager, furnace repair/ sales, UPS courier, and friends who are IT Consultants x3, Accountants, none complaining that they would be financially better off in Bim. We all yearn for more warmth, sun, sand, sea and good Bajan food/ socialising tho.
    Several times in Cuba( 20yrs ago) I had to inform them that the CEO of Coca Cola was Cuban,( Goizuetta?) Bottom line in north America immigrants have performed very well. Indeeds even those that failed made $$$, like the Puerto Rican woman that immigrated in 1950 to NY and worked for a few years before going on Welfare, today her family collectively cost the US $1mn/ yr in Welfare payments.(they breed like rats)

    In many cases especially Cuban, ME and Communist cases the GRASS is GREENER in north America.


  63. BAFBFP

    Refute what? You can’t change the mindset of conspiracy theorists, they keep moving the goalpost e.g. didn’t you Cuba and Hiroshima into the discussion?

    As for Gadaffi’s children can you point me to anything which points to the death of one of his sons? I know there are claims from Libyan State TV that one of his daughters was killed but who controls Libyan State TV?

    More later I have places to go, things to do and people to see, keep looking into the mirror.


  64. @BAFBFP
    I feel very confident that tha MAJORITY Shia wanted Sode gone, remember the Oil is located in the East and south predominately their home ground and the more important reasons given earlier definitely support Shia desires. One can certainly question the methods and quantity of lives lost BUT it is clear to me that Shia and Saudis prefrerence was BYE Sode. Geopolitically it also served to tell Iran’s Theocrats watch and learn.

    The American’s surely have painted themselves in a corner re energy and really have no choice but to discipline anyone messing with destabilisation of that region. Iraq is the centre and the excuse was evident. Got to go


  65. …..’As for Gadaffi’s children can you point me to anything which points to the death of one of his sons? I know there are claims from Libyan State TV that one of his daughters was killed but who controls Libyan State TV?’

    Don’t look now Sargeant but this statement sounds just like BAFBFP 😉


  66. @BAFBFP
    Sodamninsane was a heinous dictator and i fail to appreciate why you want to champion such a vagabond. Fidel was your best bet as a person worth championing, I did try to point you in that direction BUT you had to go to the REAL EVIL side. WHY? WHY?


  67. Techie

    State control of TV does not happen in the West now does it ..? What then about control of major media houses, not just TV, by very powerful interests who continue to affect Government policy, no matter who is in power, and the information that is fed to the public … now this does not happen in the West. But of course BAFBFP would make that claim … 🙂

    Moneybrain

    President of Iraq Suddam Hussein is far less heinous, and far less a dictator than those same power brokers referred to above, that have been influencing the foreign policy decisions of the US Government for as long as I can remember …!

    BTW, I have been trying to tap into this gold thing four years ago even before the time Australia started printing certificates, and no one ’bout hey could advise me (a whole lot of useless Asset Managers and Wealth Managers, even our international bankers at HSBC in the Channel Is could not direct us). You apparently had to be part of the game in order to play it. Us normal consumers in Barbados were stumped in finding the options that you were able to offer your clientele


  68. @ “moneybrain”

    The Taleban was trained by your ass-deep friends who trained the GIs (Government Issues) that presided over Abu Ghraib and all the other inhuman acts. Muslims detest the ‘Taliban.’ America created them because they need them. America and her Western allies don’t fear ‘radical’ Islam…they can deal with them. They fear sane moderate, peace loving Islam whose way of life were having tremendous influence in the world (The fastest growing religion) filling the void that atheistic fervour is creating in the western world. Along with that ‘new’ Religion come a new world order (Not the one they were planning) if you doubt me…notice that the biggest event in the last millennium was a flop, a total FLOP an embarrassing pontificating flop. WHAT WAS IT? It was the NEW MILLENNIUM commemoration and celebration of the COMING of JESUS CHRIST ‘The Lord and Saviour of the World’. An event, if measured by the Monuments, Cathedral Churches and religious literature provided by ‘time’ down the ages, we would still be celebrating. New Churches was expected to be formed and places of worship built but there were none of that. All we had was a ‘shindig’ with a few fireworks lightening-up and polluting the` skies. In this city where I live many churches are turned into Disco-halls or Mosque…yes Mosques…there are thousands of Mosques throughout Europe (Many now meeting all kind of restrictions e.g. no minarets, no calling of the ‘azan’ (call to pray) must not be labelled as mosque but Islamic cultural centre.
    The New Millennium, the colossal of the Christian era was herald in by the haemophilic slaughter of thousand of Muslins in Bosnia/Herzegovina (1993-5 before ‘9/11’) from which a show-trial is now being conducted. Needless to say these Muslims are Europeans who converted to Islam around the 14th-16th c when Islam ruled the better part of Europe.
    That NATO intervention in Bosnia was a farce just as all the Show-Trials are farce and as ISAF (International security Assistance Force). That should read (International security Assistance Farce).
    The Muslims women that were not killed were scattered all over the world and the Muslim men were exterminated under the watchful eyes of NATO while the Muslims (White Europeans Muslims) pleaded with them to, atleast, allow them to arm themselves…a request that was systematically prevented. At the same time the Russian were also doing their bit to sterilise Islam with the Chechen War 1994- What were their plan? To Cleanse Europe of Islam? To herald-in the ‘New era and the ‘New World Order? Cleaning their backyard before they move on to the crusade?
    WHAT POINT AM I GETTING AT? The point is that, culturally speaking, Islam in the West is a greater concern to Western powers than a group of Turban-headed cave dwellers who ‘send people to plant bombs’. The West need the Taliban and such likes as a bogey man to cover their plot and to appease those oil-rich Arab states who they are selling expensive toys to for mega bucks and oil.

    The people in the West turned away from religion and they turned away from politics and Education. Apathy was setting in amongst most and Celebrity worship became their new religion
    It is the decline of Christianity in the West and the Growth of Islam that caused the “WAR ON ISLAM” the worshipers in Church are the elderly and the worshipers in the Mosque are the Young. Kentucky and McDonald in the West have gone Halal. An indication of how deep the Islamic Culture is penetrating albeit via the £, $ Euro. Certainly taking root in Europe probably North America too. Do you think that a few guns and bombs are going to faze the Western powers? NO! It is the fear of losing their IDENTITY to ISLAM and the evidence of that can be seen all-over the WEST (It happened before 4th c to 14th c)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313303/Britain-goes-halal—tells-public.htm

    Mr. “moneybrain you talk about WAR “bombing” “Killing” “Taking out” “Surgical strike” and “Collateral damage” in such a crass, callous and cavaliering way without humanity that it makes you sound like a Demon of death”

    You can tell a tune from the way it sounds and you tune sounds like one of those arrogant-ass ‘bajan’ (Yes inverted comas) who had your food put on a plate for you unlike the many who grew-up with respect, discipline and decency instilled in them by their Good loving parent. To you ( it seems) life is about taking whatever you can get your hands on, by whatever means and F*** the rest…the philosophy of those who was nurtured on the blood, sweat and tears of others. Call me a “racist” again; it would not conceal the blatant callous disregard you display, on these pages, for people who are unlike you.

    Yes the ‘Taliban’ is in that frontier “Pakistan and Afghanistan” where the ‘Americans’ trained and armed them to fight their war (by proxy) with Russia. They have always been and still is, more use to the Americans and their Western allies than they have been or ever will be to the Islamic world. They are to NATO, today, what ‘Communism’ was to that organisation yesterday and when ‘communism’ ‘collapsed’ another bogey man was needed to focus the attentions of the disgruntled Westerners . Yes Taliban are in “Pakistan and Afghanistan” as you have said…you speak (a) truth but you don’t understand the truth that you speak because it comes via the deadpan media and it seem that your pea-brain is not up to it to fathom what is really going on in the world.


  69. @BAFBFP
    All the US brokers are useless regarding Gold. The industry is very small relative to the stock market and their underwriting and trading fees rule, indeed Exxon has a larger market capitalisation than the entire industry in the US. While they do have a couple Gold Stock mutual funds I doubt they have any Gold Bullion Funds like we have in Canada. Pity because Gold specie is expensive to buy in coin form with commisions of 8-10%, it is also expensive to store and security is critical. A Vancouver man had $750,000 worth of Silver at home and was robbed and beaten .
    Certificates can be very questionable and maybe the Perth Mint’s, once authentic, maybe OK.

    I told my friends in Bim years ago BUT in many cases they did not have the money outside the island to invest.


  70. Moneybrain

    You should have been on BU four years ago, I would be a comfortable man today. I hate cash that I cannot spend and the only viable option around here is land. I gun draw some comfort wid de knowledge that Americans got de same problems as me … puts a lump in my throat and makes me want to tear up!


  71. @Franktalk
    I had no idea that my friends, who are Bajan and Canadian mostly,were training Taliban and commiting inhumane acts. Thanks for quite a revelation.
    You say the Americans created the Taliban, REALLY! Most of us were under the impression that Taliban were created by Pastun tribesmen to fight the Afghanistan Northern Alliance. The word means Fundamentalist Islamic Student. The Pakistani’s were very instrumental in the formation and many Pakistanis over the years have gone across the border to lead them. The Paks have always wanted to rule Afghanistan. Anyway how did you know my connection to Pakistanis via playing in an 80% P team in London in the 1970s?

    You are right when you point out the rise of Islam and the decline of Chritianity in the West. You say the West fears Islam, BUT why then do Western nations permit immigration from muslim places? While I know many Muslims and certainly believe in freedom of religion it seems that the more radical Islamists DONT believe in FREEDOM of religion or anything else. Some Imams want the Western Countries to permit Sharia laws probably because Islam transcends religion and is a total way of life. However, if it works so well in the East then why are they migrating to the West? The radicals in Europe are going to cause many lives to be lost needlessly. The ironic fact is that I agree with their concerns about moral values, decadence etc.

    Muslims ruled the better part of SPAIN but not Western Europe. This is hardly a reminder that westerners should sit idealy by and be taken over again, so are you calling Westerners to ARMS? It sounds like The West should ban immigration from Muslim Countries before it is too late, seems like the EXPEDIENT SOLUTION based on your commentary. Naturally, repatriation would be utilised. This would seem better than all the lives that will be lost if the radical Islamists continue with their approach.

    I cant fathom why the West would exterminate Muslims in the Eastern Europe and simultaneously permit immigration to the West? Dem mussee real stupid red people in trut!

    All the negative war like words you use to attempt to describe me, I have learned from and in reaction to the Islamists types that I have observed. No need to worry my base philosophy has been to attempt to understand and tolerate people that are different than myself due to race, religion, class etc. Proof is married to diif race woman from The Orient, played in teams dominated by black, Pakistanis muslims, Guyanese, Indians, went to school at HC with mostly black friends………..hardly seems that i have a history of racial hatred. Having informed you of that, I am not the type to allow any group, individual etc to seriously believe that they are going to dominate me. So once someone shows mal intent they are in a heap of dodo.

    My dear bro this “arrogant Bajan” played cricket/ soccer in the village, still shout my friends from those days and they want to chat with me as is true with my HC bros, so please stop trying with your BS. Most of what I have written here is to balance the perspective of some like BAFBFP, who maybe well meaning but reaches conclusions that I just cant agree with eg LKY vs Fidel. You should be aware that you maybe IMPUTING some assumptions that if he says A&B he must be this type of person. NO! Your RUSH to judgement is NOT my problem.

    So you have a perfect understanding of what is going on in the World? Surely you yourself could NOT possibly believe that???? I certainly have minimal evidence.

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