Almost Saved But Entirely Lost: “As It Was In The ‘Days’ Of Lot” – Rampant Sexual Perversion, Socio-Material Affluenza Compounded By Moral And Religious Breakdown

Submitted by Terence Blackett

 

The Khajuraho Monument

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will all these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the world?” Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in My Name, claiming that I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come…”

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ [as] spoken of through the prophet Daniel – let the reader understand – then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now – and never to be equaled again. “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the Elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the very Elect. See, I have told you ahead of time…”

“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man…” Matthew 24:4-26 (New International Version, ©2010)

“As it was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulphur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed… (Luke 17:28-30 Ibid, ©2010).

Can anyone deny that we are indeed the Matthew chapter 24 generation? At no other time in all of recorded human history has there been a need for a more urgent call to arms. Yet the weapons of our warfare are NOT* guns and bullets but the last bastions of “TRUTH”, Righteousness, Morality and a decision that “If God be God – then serve Him – but if Satan be ‘god’ then serve him”. There can be no sitting on the fence any longer. There is no middle ground or 3rd way!

Clearly this is an “Age” of so-called faith without works; men want freedom without accountability; seeking happiness without holiness; searching for riches without a moral compass of integrity and knocking on the door of “Paradise” but without having soul purity. This is the days of Lot!

In our modern world, men have seen the graphic nature of an exploding nuclear bomb and the horrific devastation it can cause, but who has ever heard of fire and brimstone raining down from the heavens completely annihilating the two cities of Sodom & Gomorrah because of its inhumanity, its treatment of the poor, its licentious perverted sexual appetites and its false economic security caused by affluenza and the need to get rich or DIE* trying. Science can give us natural (if not inhuman) phenomenon but the destruction wrought in the days of Lot was a “supernatural” act of God-like proportion brought to bear upon men because of disobedience and a complete disregard for the Law of God.

One writer puts it so succinctly – “Never did this message apply with greater force than it applies today. More and more the world is setting at naught the claims of God. Men have become bold in transgression. The wickedness of the inhabitants of the world has almost filled up the measure of their iniquity. This earth has almost reached the place where God will permit the destroyer to work his will upon it. The substitution of the laws of men for the Law of God, the exaltation, by merely human authority, of Sunday in place of the Bible Sabbath, is the last act in the drama. When this substitution becomes universal, God will reveal Himself. He will arise in His majesty to shake terribly the earth. He will come out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the world for their iniquity, and the earth shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain.”

Yet with all the warnings, signs, wonders and portents we are witnessing today – men’s hearts are still hardened against the things of God. Let it be clear that God shall act decisively at some point in the near future just as He did in the days of Lot. When earthly rebellion has reached tipping-point; where political leaders in cahoots with religious false prophets do malicious violence to God’s Holy Law by instituting man-made laws and decrees such as laws that redefine marriage and the family; legalize the killing of helpless babies through abortion and infanticide; gives a nod of approval to rampant prostitution through salacious pornography, paedophilia and incest and where the ultimate worship of Sunday is enacted as the law of the land and men both great and small are expected to worship according to the legislation in the land – hence we can see why God uses the tragedy of Lot as a viral resource reminder for us to understand the gravity, parity, polarity and the penalty for devilish transgression.

As we survey a postmodern world in major social, economic and religious upheaval, it is easy to see the correlation between the days of Lot and the days we now live in. We are reminded that “In the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear]. For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane. [They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good. [They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God. For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].” 2 Timothy 3:1-5 (Amplified Bible)

Just as in the days of Lot, he escaped the inferno with his wife and two daughters – so we too must do the same. Sadly, Lot’s wife disobeyed the commands given to her and perished as a result. Lot’s wife is representative of that major class of people in the last days who are “almost saved but entirely lost” due to compromise, wanting to do things their own way and really didn’t have a true change of heart.

Rampant sexual perversion, socio-material affluenza compounded by moral and religious breakdown epitomizes the days in which we currently live and just as Sodom was given a long rope – it had to be reeled in. Finally God had heard the prayer requests of Abraham and would not have destroyed the cities of the plain had He been able to find even [10] righteous people there – in the end, their cup of iniquity was full and annihilation and complete destruction was the only just course of action for a God who will only tolerate so much and no more!

So there’s no counter-argument, “For God’s [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative. For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them. For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks).”

“So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification], because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it)…”

For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one. And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another – men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.”

“And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome, until they were filled (permeated and saturated) with every kind of unrighteousness, iniquity, grasping and covetous greed, and malice. [They were] full of envy and jealousy, murder, strife, deceit and treachery, ill will and cruel ways. [They were] secret backbiters and gossipers, slanderers, hateful to and hating God, full of insolence, arrogance, [and] boasting; inventors of new forms of evil, disobedient and undutiful to parents. [They were] without understanding, conscienceless and faithless, heartless and loveless [and] merciless. Though they are fully aware of God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them.” Romans 1:18-32 (Amplified Bible)

This is the pathetic state affairs our world finds itself in and if Christ is not the answer – then tell me what is!!!

183 thoughts on “Almost Saved But Entirely Lost: “As It Was In The ‘Days’ Of Lot” – Rampant Sexual Perversion, Socio-Material Affluenza Compounded By Moral And Religious Breakdown


  1. @Zoe……..You and your nonsense talk about FGM, how about Rabbis having sex with little children [boys & girls].

    Zoe, I hope that Gadaffi set ablaze his oil fields because I’m really getting sick of this shite right about now. Tunisia & Egypt uprising were warranted but there’s some sinister shite going down now. Yemenis needs to get rid of their western jackass too but there’s a time bomb ticking somewhere. Right now the west is repackaging pure crap and trading it on their markets, they’ve literally run out of steam and their plan was to have made headway into Afghanistan about now, but all they’re coming up with is pure, unrelenting resistance from the those BRAVE Taliban. They’re mad as hell that they can’t get their grimmy hands on those minerals so now they’re turning their attention to the M.E. I say to Ghaddafi bun it to rass! His problem is that he wants to be everybody’s friend…can’t work.

    Stinking Cameron just scurried over to Egypt but he too should have been greeted with a few soles bearing some foul camel fuel. Don’t let the bloodsuckers into your country. DON’T DO IT! Stop putting your money into European bank and the US. Right now they’re so broke they’ll hold onto your money and say it all about human rights. When you lay with DOGS you get up with fleas. Let Saddam be your example.

    Zoe, look how those Muslim brothers are about to reuinte…watch Iran ship sail thru the Suez without let or hindrance and watch the lying dogs froth at the mouth….you gotta stop em! they’re carrying nuclear weapons!oohh they wanna kill us! As usual nothing but LIES from their craws.

    And just watch the Egyptians without let or hindrance, they sail thru. Ain’t that beautiful Zoe! Wah you think?

    Enough for now!


    • @Kiki

      You are probably using a new version browser which is giving WP trouble. When in doubt use FF.

      @mwan

      Thanks for the feedback.


  2. I don’t buy this shit that is being drummed up about Libya either … Husein might be a good example but if you stick closer to home you can speak to those who are still available, Aristide and Noreiga … so-called regime change, by any means necessary …! Would like to hear Cahvez’s view on all this …!


  3. Hopi, there have been only a few things able to unite Arabs in all their history. The most important unifier was Mohammad and the initial impact of Islam. But over time, even religion could not hold
    the different Arab tribes together.

    In our present era, the most powerful unifying factor of all has arisen. Nothing can unite the waring Muslim factions like their age-old hatred for Jews and the reborn State of Israel. To Muslims, the State of Israel’s existence in the midst of what they consider their sacred sphere of the world is the ultimate sacrilege. It is an insult to Allah that must be revenged. To the Muslim, the FACT that Israel has BEATEN them in FIVE WARS threatens the veracity of the Koran, which promises them victory over the infidels, especially when it is a “Jihad to liberate their third holiest site – Jerusalem.” This is terible “humiliation” that must be avenged for the sake and honor of Allah and the Koran. This escalates into a passion that cannot be fathomed by the West.

    Hopi, listen to the prophetic scenario on exactly what began in 1948/9 only hours after the official sanctioned statehood of Israel by the League of Nations, the precusor to the UN, with the combined military might of the Arab/Mulim nations, to annihilate Israel and the Jews, and every time they attempt to WIPE Israel off the earth, they are soundly defeated, EVERY TIME, why is this SO?

    Armageddon: The Climax of Hate!

    “They say, ‘Come, LET US WIPE THEM OUT AS A NATION; LET THE NAME OF ISRAEL BE REMEMBERED NO MORE,” They conspire with one accord, against You they make a covenant – tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites (The Arabs), Moab and Hagrites, Gebal and Ammon and Amalek (Jordan), Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre (Lebanon); Assyria (Syria) also joined them…” (Psalm 83: 4-8, Emphasis added)

    Hopi, the above from Psalms taken from the Old Testament, (1000-300 B.C) literally sounds as though it was written within the last 63 years, applying ALL that has been said in HATRED against the modern day state of Israel, by its Arab/Muslim HATERS, dosen’t it, but, Almighty God’s prophetic declarations NEVER FAIL, as HE knows and forsees ALL things, spoken through His prophets, as He divinely ispired them to record these and other End-Time events, ALL consistently unfoldring as He said it would.

    Let us read on from His Word, the Bible:

    “The Word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: “Have you not noticed that these people ( Israel’s neighboring nations ate saying, “The LORD has rejected the two families he chose’? SO THEY DESPISE MY PEOPLE AND NO LONGER REGARD THEM AS A NATION>” ‘This is what the LORD says: “If I have not established MY COVENANT with day and night and FIXED LAWS of heaven and earth, then I will eject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant and will not choose one of his sons to rule over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I WILL bring them back from captivity and have compassion of them.” (Jeremiah 33: 23-26 Emphasis added)

    Hopi, hear what Almighty God then says to the Haters of Israel, the Arab/Muslim people.

    “I WILL lay waste your cities, and you will become a desolution. Then you will KNOW than I am the LORD. BECAUSE YOU (the Arab people) HAVE HAD EVERLASTING ENMITY and have delivered the sons of Israel to the power of the sword at the time of their calamity, at the time of the punishment of the end-time, therefore, as I LIVE, ” declares the LORD God, “I will give YOU over to bloodshed, and bloodshed WILL pursue you, since you have NOT hated bloodshed, theirfore bloodshed will pursue you.” (Ezekiel 35: 4-6 Emphasis added).

    Overview of Prophetic Scenario

    Hopi, beginning 3400 years ago and continuing into the next 1400 years, the Hebrew prophets of Almighty God, predicted a PRICISE sequence of events would fit together. All the elements of this predicted pattern would lead to a cataclysmic WAR of such magnitude that it will almost end life on this planet.

    Hopi, the scenarion, has and IS literally unfolding exactly as the LORD God said it would, especially re Israel and its ancient HATERS of its very existence on earth, now formenting daily, for the beginning of World War III, plus the other convergeance of economic crisis, the devaluation of the US dollar, etc, etc, AND it is with the rebirth of Israel, that IS the KEY sign and factor, May 15, 1948, when the miraculous return of the Jews to their ancient homeland, having been scattered throughout the world, especially in Arab nations, that the END-TIME events unfold rapidly.

    It WAS when Jerusalem was finally recaptured by Israel in the 1967, six day war, for the first time in over 2000 years, that Islam’s Jihad for Jerusalem began in earnest, hear again the Word of God on Jerusalem.

    “Behold, I am going to make JERUSALEM a cup that causes INTOXICATION to ALL surrounding peoples; and when the siege is AGAINST Jerusalem,, it will also be against Judah (the Jews). And it will come about in that DAY (season) that I will make JERUSALEM a BURDENSOME stone for ALL the peoples; who ATTEMPT to lift it will be SEVERELY injured. And ALL the nations of the earth will be gathered (for WAR) because of IT.” (Zechariah 12: 2-3 Emphasis added)

    As prophesied in God’s Word, the Bible, Israel has regained control of its ancient Capital city, Jerusalem, amid tremendous opposition from surrounding nations. Like the prophet Zachariah forsaw some 2450 years ago, Jerusalem will cause all of the neighboring natins (which are Muslim today) to become intoxicated with religious passion to possess it.

    The metaphor, “a cup that causes INTOXICATION” is used in the Bible to illustrate OUT OF CONTROL religious passions. Just as a drunk person acts emotionally without reason, so it was predicted the neighboring states would be intoxicated with this Islamist driven, vehement hatred against Israel, and Jerusalem. (THE EVERLASTING HATRED, The Roots of Jihad, pp. 225-229)

    Hopi, we can speculate, spiritualize, form all kinds of humanistic, spiritualistic concepts and biased opinions on this unfolding crisis in the Middle East, and other world events, BUT, there is only one Divinely inspired source of absolute revelation that gives us exactly the reasons why, and how this will all play out, and it would have been IMPOSSIBLE, even improble for any one man or group of ancient men, to have seen these events, so graphically clear and precise, over THOUSANDS of years ago, UNLESS Almighty God, gave and revealed it to them, and this is what HE DID. It can be scoffed at, rediculed, but it simplu cannot be refuted, as it has, and continues to unfold with:

    Logical consistency
    Empirical adequacy, and,
    Experiential relevancy.


  4. @ Zoe ….or any other familiar with the Bible….

    Can you post the exact verse that relates to….’Hopi, hear what Almighty God then says to the Haters of Israel, the Arab/Muslim people.

    Did he actually describe the Arab/Muslim people in the Bible?
    Did God actually single out and describe the Arab/Muslim people as the ‘Haters of Israel’?


  5. Can’t help you there Technician, but perhaps someone can point me to the exact passage in revelations that declares that in the latter days there will be those that claim to be Jews but are not. They would be in fact the synagogue of Satan.

    Peace


  6. @Zoe…………..God DID NOT SAY THAT re[Tech query]. Didn’t I tell you before that it were many different people that conspired & write this bible in their favour. Why do you have more than 1 version of the bible. The bible that makes Black people the servant of everyone else. The only god that could have said something like that was the god of the ‘jew.’

    If the arabs/muslims can unite against the state of israhell, that’s a great unification. Won’t you agree?

    Zoe you don’t need no divinely inspired source of revelation for what’s going on in the M.E. Open your eyes and see the game of total economic destabalisation for full spectrum dominance.

    But I’m not too worried about that region Zoe, because I know that my sand nigger cousins ain’t like us land niggers who just love being in the company of our enemy. We love to ‘forgive’ and forget who our enemy is but not the Arabs…they have elephant memory. Do you remember the crusades? They won’t roll over and play dead Zoe, they die for their beliefs so I don’t think it will be easy for western ‘powers’ to totally control that region.

    Redshield is mad about the fact that they can’t get any blood money[interest,,late fees etc] from their banks. They don’t engage in thievery like your christian cohorts and ‘jew’ overlords.

    So keep your ears to the ground Zoe. Had you honoured your Black Ancestors you’d be able to tune into a frequency higher than google.

    @maat…..I don’t think that’s in the bk of revelation, I think that’s somewhere in 1 of those gospels, but I stand to be corrected by that Pauline Zoe.


  7. Do you know who the descendants of Edom and the Ishmalites are? Do you know who are the descendants of Moab, Hagmites, Gebal, ammon and Amalek are? Who are the descendants of Tyre and Assyria?

    BTW, the above et al were the ancient people in the OT, that were sworn enemies of Israel, haters of the Jews, which has continued for thousands of years, and vehementy intensified with Mohammad and the founding of Islam in the seventh century A.D, and has NEVER stopped, right up until today!

    BTW, note carefully, who are identified in Psalm 84: 4-8, as saying,

    “Come, LET US WIPE THEM OUT AS A NATION…” The haters of Israel.

    BTW, who are the present day ‘nations’ surrounding the State of Israel? That repeatedly and openly declare that their INTENT, is to WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP?

    BTW, who are the descendants TODAY, of the ancient haters of Israel in the OT? That are continuously carrying on the TERROR, and vehement HATRED against Israel and Jews, that started WAY back in the Old Testament, thousands of years ago?


  8. Hops, As spiritually deceived and confused as you are, don’t tell me, you are that dum intellectually, to believe that Jews wrote thousands of years in advance, the OT, giving specific details, events, grapic descriptions of numerous historic predictions, (proleptically speaking) before they came to pass, AND, then in only what can be described as MIRACULOUS, actually carried out, lived out ALL that, according to YOUR fantabulous imagination, was planned by them in such minute detail before , then setting about to play out ALL these incredible, amazing feats, like a well orchastrated play?

    Come now Hopi, only a demented jackass would fabricate such utter HOGWASH as you have!


  9. ‘History is written by the victors.”

    Well, in this case, Israel was for thousands of years, the dispersed VICTIMS, scattered througout the nations of the world, exactly as prophesied in the Word of God, the Bible. Their dispersion in 135 A.D, by emperor Hadrian of Rome, lasted right through until, the 19th century, VICTIMS of abuse, pillage, murder, and second class citizens in the Arab countries they lived in for hundreds of years, and had to FLEE, from their homes, businesses, properties, for Israel, the only place that historically and rightfully IS their homeland.

    BTW, tell me how they the Jews, in Israel, since 1948, have so well orchastrated their persecution and repeated TERRORISM from their Arab/Muslim HATERS, they wrote all of this too?

    Also, when Almighty God, of historic divine revelation, SPOKE that once He brought them back to Israel, AFTER multiplied centuries of DISPERSION, that they would NEVER AGAIN be uprooted from their ancient Capital, Jerusalem, and no matter how hard the HATERS of Israel try, in combined force, these Islamists Jihadists, CANNOT defeat the Jew, or every remove them again from their, God-given homeland.

    So, Hopi et al, you can HUFF and PUFF, rant and rage, together with your sand coloured Islamists brothers, BUT, you nor them, will EVER be able to EVER again defeat Israel, yes, it may appear, as the Word of God states, that Jerusalem will be trodden down by its enemies, when all seems to be lost, the KING OF KINGS, and LORD OF LORDS, Jesus Christ, will make His Glorious, Majestic appearance in the sky, and just by the breath of His Omnipotent mouth, will DESTROY all of the enemies of Israel, and the arrayed Anti-Christ, Satanic World Government, it is only a matter of time, not in the too distant future either, it is around the corner, just wait and see!


  10. Zoe……..Israel was NEVER any dispersed victim. That a damn lie! These AshkeNAZIS poured out of Europe and stole land..PLAIN & SIMPLE, ZOE…. BUT since you haven’t brought anything to sway me toward that vile sect which you so defend, have it your way. They’re gonna get the armageddon that they’re looking for. But in due course of time we will see you and your ilk EAT your words. So far I’ve seen some good come out of that Egyptian revolt….they’re opening up the borders with the Palestinians so that they can at least have some humanity brought back to their life…the humanity that ‘god’s chosen’ with the aid of Mubarak robbed them of’.


  11. Hopi, You are wilfully ignorant of the historic FACTS, from 135 A.D, throughout the following centuries, of the dispersion of the Jews, until, their miraculous regathering by Almighty God, exactly as He promised He would, inspite of their terribly failing Him, back to their ancient homeland, Israel, in May 14, 1948.

    Hopi, lets look at some of the facts, numbers, math, taken from the Old Testament dates and prophecies, concerning Israel’s rebirth in modern times, May 14, 1948.

    The utterly miraculous regathering of Jews from the North, East, etc, as Almighty God declared He would do, in bringng them back HOME, to Israel, are strikingly supported by the FACTS and math, when carefully analysized; as predicted 2,500 years in advance.

    2, 520 years X 360 days/year = 907, 200 days.
    907, 200 days = 2,483 ‘modern’ exact (365.24225) years + 304 days ‘left over’

    Therefore, we take,

    July 15, 537 B.C.
    + 1 year (because there is no year 0)
    + 2, 483 years
    +304 days = May 14, 1948, the exact day Israel was officially proclaimed a State, by Jewish leader, David Ben Gurion.

    Hopi, only the Omnipotent hand of Almighty God, NOT man, could fulfill with such amazing accuracy, HIS prophetic declaration on the people, the Jews and their modern-day State, Israel, after multiplied centuries of dispersion, from this, their ancient home land, ISRAEL!

    Now, Hopi, lets have a brief look at the Lord Jesus Christ, and His fulfillment of OT prophecies concerning Himself as Messiah, which came to pass exactly as spoken from the Old Testament.

    The numbers, (math) when computed from the OT text, work out exactly to the day Jesus entered into Jerusalem, AND, it was the ONLY time, that He officially presented Himself to Israel (the Jews) as their Messiah.

    Daniel prophesied that after this, that Jesus, Messiah, would be violently murdered, NOT for Himself, BUT, for the sins of all of mankind.

    Let us look at the numbers (math) as taken from Daniel and Nehemiah, bearing in mind, that a year in the Bible always refers to a Jewish year of 360 days, the prophecy was written in Babylon, which also used a 360-day year.

    69 ‘sevens’ = 69x 7 Jewish years = 483 Jewish years.

    483 Jewish years = 483 x 360 days = 173, 880 days.

    Therefore, we need to add 173, 880 days to the start date of 1 Nisan, 445 B.C. to see the date of the prophecy, 173, 880 days = 476 ‘modern’ (365.25 days) year + 21 days ‘left over’

    So, again, we take: Nisan 1, 445 B.C. + 1 year (because there is no year 0) + 476 year, and this comes out to March 14, 32 A.D.

    From this date, add 2 days (because there is no leap year every 400 years and we passed two of them) and add the 21 days we had ‘left over’

    The result is Sunday, April 6, A.D. 32, ‘Palm Sunday’ the exact day of Jesus’ entry into Jerusalem. Confirmed by the NT Gospel narrative accounts.

    Hopi, only wilfully intellectually DISHONEST people, could deny the absolute reality, of these FACTS, that ONLY Almighty God, the One True and Living God, could FULFILL His Word, as declared HUNDREDS of years before, re His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, in such exact detail, dates, etc.

    Oh, BTW, there are Ten Bible Prophecies fulfilled in recent times, AFTER 1948, when Israel became an independent Nation for the second time in history. These prophecies foretold of modern Israel’s stunning military victories, and of its transition from a DESERT wasteland, to one of the most prosperous nations, ever!


  12. @Zoe: “Oh, BTW, there are Ten Bible Prophecies fulfilled in recent times, AFTER 1948, when Israel became an independent Nation for the second time in history.

    Could you please document your claim for all observing?

    One by one (by one) would be fine.


  13. Hopi, a few more amazing facts concerning the ‘promised’ land, that Almighty God, covenanted to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, the Jews, as an Everlasting Possession, the nation of Israel.

    The Prophecy of “Rejuvenation”

    “Certainly, the Land;s bountifulness was magnificant for the first 1500 years after the Exodus from Egypt. Certainly, the subsequent 1800 year-long miracle of DEFICIENCY and DEPRIVATION was impressive in its own right ( besides the ‘unexpectedness’ of its appearance and the absence of scientific explanation to account for this phenomenon). Yet, several other miracles were appended and these miracles were most remarkable due, also, to there SUDDEN and rationally inexplicable appearance. After 1800 years of drought and with no apparent scientific explanation, the hills began BLOSSOMING at the turn of the 20th Century. You must pay attention to what follows: For more than 1500 years the HolyLand blossomed, and for the next 1800 years it didn’t rain for the Jews in Palestine. It didn’t rain for the Romans. It didn’t rain for e Mongols. It didn’t rain for the Crusaders. It didn’t rain for the Turks. It didn’t rain for ANYBODY for 1800 years. And THEN, for no apparent reason, at the turn of the 20th Century, for the first time in nearly two millennia, the Holy Land suddenly began to experience normal amounts of rainfall, amounts necessary to sustain life. Also, with no apparent scientific explanation, earthquakes stopped killing people. Can any one believe that these events were simply acts of happenstance?”

    “If this sudden resumption of rain wasn’t remarkable enough, another momumental event occurred. After prolonged absence of 1800 years- and again, withy no reasonable explanation – the Jews suddenly begin resettling the Holy Land in the early 1900s. Millions would return to the Holy Land in the 20th Century. So now, in the beginning of the 20th Century, with no logical explanation:”

    * Suddenly and coincidentally, 1800 years of horrible drought end.
    * Suddenly and coincendentally, the rains begin.
    * Suddenly and coincendentally, the reoccurring destructive earthquakes stop killing people.
    * Suddenly and coincendentally, the ‘randomly’ appearing lovust plagues also disappear.
    * Suddenly and coincendentally, the Land begins to blossom.
    * Suddenly and coincendentally, Jews return to the Land in the thousands, without a cohesive and rational explanation, millions of Jews will follow.

    “Do all these events really crop up so suddenly, coincendentally, and without scientific explanation? These events appear to occur without rhyme or reason only if one doesn’t study Torah and is, thus OBLIVIOUS to prophecy. A person who is OBLIVIOUS to Torah would NEVER be able to note how these unusual series of events are FORETOLD in the greatest of detail. Such a person would NEVER be able to note how these unusual series of events COMBINE into one magnificent and Divinely orchastrated pattern. On the other hand, the one who studies will note how Torah even describes the societal conditions under which these miracles unfold.”

    We are told by the Almighty:

    “Behold, the days are coming, says the Almighty…the mountaimns will drip the nectar fruits…I WILL BRING BACK the captives of My people Israel and they will rebuild the desolate cities and SETTLE them; they will plant vineyards and drink wine; they will cultivate gardens and eat their fruit. I WILL PLANT THEM UPON THEIR LAND and they will NEVER BE UPROOTED FROM THEIR LAND that I HAVE GIVEN THEM.” (Amos 9: 13-15 Emphasis added)

    “And so it happened that for 660,000 days there was virtually no rainfal and for 660,000 days there were many, many resultant deaths. THEN, as the Bible describes, in anticipation of many, many returing Jews, the Land suddenly begins to blossom once AGAIN.” (PROPHECIES For The Era of Muslim Terror, A Torah Perspective on World Events, pp. 34,35 Emphasis added)
    This is just skimming the surface of the historic FACTS, pertaining to the Jews, their ancient homeland, that became a virtual, barren, desert, with no rainfall, during their EXILE from it, AND, that it only starts to rain, and flourish AGAIN, WHEN, Almighty God brings back to it, His covenanted people the Jews, and its absolutely amazing developments, in literally every sphere of life, over the last 63 years since its statehood, in the 20th Century, IS a marval to behold, especially in the FACE of the most virulent, vehement, vicious ATTACKS upon this tinny small area of land, relative to the vast amounts of MILLIONS of square miles of land covering the Arab/Muslim nations, who only DESIRE ANNIHILATION of this Jewish state and Jews, BUT, they CAN’T, and NEVER WILL BE ABLE to defeat Israel, because, Almighty God, will NEVER AGAIN, as He declared, allow them Iarael to be uprooted!


  14. Halsall, Yes, zero exist, but can you kindly explain how ‘Zero year’ exist?

    Do enlighten us, please, how do you number ‘Zero years(s)?


  15. @Hopi… Zoe talks to you…

    “Hopi, a few more amazing facts concerning the ‘promised’ land, that Almighty God, covenanted to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, the Jews, as an Everlasting Possession, the nation of Israel.

    Why are those who are very certain they are in the favour of God so very needy?

    Uncertain minds want to know….


  16. Here are (2) of Ten Bible prophecies fulfilled since the Jewish State of Israel was established in May, 1948.

    1. The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt.

    Bible passage: Amos 9:11, 13
    Written: About 750 B.C.
    Fulfilled: Late 1900s

    “In Amos 9: 11, 13, the prophet said that God would restore the land of David. ( King David ruled Israel from about 1010 BC to about 970 BC). The land of David – Israel – was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans, The land has been in RUINS for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past hundred years. Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel’s ancient cities. Amos also said there would be continuous planting and harvesting. During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn BARREN land into productive farmland. Toda, Israel is a source of food for many countries.”

    Here is Amos 9: 11,13

    “In that day I will restore David’s fallen tent. I will repare its broken places, RESTORE its RUINS, and BUILD it as it used to be,” … “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountaina and flow from all hills.”

    2. Ezekiel prophecsied the modern-day Israel

    Bible passage: Ezekiel 36: 11
    Written: between 593-571 BC.
    Fulfilled: late 1900s

    “In Ezekiel 36: 11, the prophet said that there would come a time when Israel would be more prosperous than it was in the past. The Bible describes Israel as being a prosperous nation during the time of King David and King Solomon about 3000 years ago. But, Ezekiel knew a very different Israel. In Ezekiel’s day (he lived about 2600 years ago), the nothern Kindgom of Israel already had been decimated by the Assyrians, and the southern Kingdom (called Judah) was being destroyed by the Babylonians. In the centuries that followed these destructions, Jews rebuilt the city of Jerusalem, but the homeland was destoyed again, by the omans, about 1900 years ago. Since then, a majority of Jews from around the world moved to Israel and they have been rebuilding the country once again. Today, Israel again is an independent nation, as it was in the days of King David, and it IS one of the world’s most prosperous countries. In 1999, Israel had the highest per capita Gross Domestic Product of any nearby cpuntry, even though the surrounding countries have many oil resources.”

    Here is Ezekiel 36: 11

    “I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitfull and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past, and will make you PROSPEROUS more than BEFORE. Then you will KNOW that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 36:11 Emphasis added)

    The correlation between the Old Testament prophecies, uttered by God’s divinely inspired men, the amazing gap of over 2000 years, between the dated prophecies, and their fulfillment, in Israel today, beginning only 63 years ago, (1948) is credible, warranted proof, of the veracity and reliability of Almighty God’s written Word, the Bible!


  17. Come now, Halsall,

    T minus 10 seconds,

    T Minus 5 seconds,

    Ignition

    Lift-off!

    This IS NOT the same thing as ‘Zero year(s) is IT?!


  18. Re Israel, similarly, Almighty God announces:

    “But, you, the mountains of ISRAEL – you will give forth blossoming branches and produce your luscious fruit for MY PEOPLE ISRAEL – For they are SOON TO ARRIVE…The land will be tilled and sown. I WILL make the people numerous- the entire House of Israel. The cities will be inhabited and ruins will be rebuilt…I WILL make it better than it ever WAS…They will inherit the land which will be theirs for a possession and the Land WILL NEVER AGAIN be bereaved of THEM.” (Ezekkiel 36: 8-12 Emphasis added)

    Here Almighty God provides us with two more, great prophecies about Israel and their Land.

    “AS an aside consider a few non-agricultural creations: the cell phone technology, most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems, the Pentium MMX Chip technology, the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor, voice mail technology, and the AOL Instant Messenger ICO. On a per-capita basis, Israel leads the world in the number of published books & scientific papers, start-up companies, NASDAQ listed companies, museums, and college degrees. Israel also has the highest concentration of hi-tec companies and one of the highest rates of filed patents. Recent developments also include: the first ingestible video camera (so small it fits inside a pill), a device that helps the heart pump blood (through a sophisticated system of sensors), the first fully computerized, no-radiation instrumentation for detecting breast cancer, the ClearLight device that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct (without damaging surrounding skin or tissue), and a laerge-scale solar-powered electricity generating plant in California. Israel’s $100 billio9n economy is larger than ALL of its immediate neighbors combined and Israel’s living standards already exceed that of England.”

    Another look at the no rainfall for 1800 years, and then, when the Jews start returing to their homeland, BOOM, the hand of Almighty God, starts favor once again, for its rightful inhabitants.

    “It is mind-boggling: NO RAIN for 1800 years, and then, just as incredible, rains begin to suddenly fall simply becauser Jews are once again returing to Israel. NO RAIN and, then, the sudden resumption of rain- both happening as predicted. This IS beyond the realm of coincidence: 1800 years of drought, in and of itself, is an unbelievable miracle and a very mighty prophecy – especially in a region which produced such bounty during its first 1500 years. This most prolonged drought ends ‘unexpectedly’ – again, as predicted – WHEN Jews begin returning to the Lans in great numbers. This IS a double prophecy who SIPERNATURAL qualities can never be captured by our limited languages.”

    The development is neither logical NOR statistically probable.

    * A once firtile land that suffers drought

    * 1800 years of starvation and DESERT conditions

    * Then the surprising resumption of RAIN

    * Then the sudden GREENING of the Land

    * Just as suddenly, the ultimate RETURN of millions of Jews.

    To those skeptics, scoffers, and unbelievers, DON’T MESS with Almighty God, and with Israel, let HIM deal with the wicked, godless Jews, and He will, as to the soveriegn NATION of Israel, He has an Everlasting Covenant, with this ‘entity’ and whoever messes with them, to ANNIHILATE them off the map, will ultimately FEEL His Wrath!


  19. @ Zoe

    So through your years of serious Bible Study you have divined that God decreed that Christ would be born on his first birthday!
    (WOW .. both an immaculate conception and delivery, two miracles for the price of one)

    So your research begs the question is the intelligent designer of the whole universe a grade C- maths student, or could your own biblical hermeneutics concievably be at fault?

    Which is it, are you or God wrong in your written calculations?
    The answer should be interesting, for those who give a toss.


  20. Halsall, for someone who claims to be a scientist, with a bent on maths, physics and so on, be informed that the dates (years) quoted from the Biblical text, have no bearing on Einstein’s ‘Time is relative’ as we are dealing here with ‘Calender’ periods of time,

    Deal with it!!


  21. Zoe:

    Get your head out of that book, and fold a piece of A4 in half.
    Along the crease draw a manger.
    Consider that the left hand edge is now one year before Christ’s birth (1BC)
    Thus the right hand edge is one year after (1AD)
    Now place a big fat zero (a halo if you wish) above the boy child.
    Geddit?
    Remember to let the lord know, whilst on your knees tonight.


  22. Interesting that some are talking about military intervention in Libya, that which was never mentioned for Egypt….I wonder why?

    Would not be OIL…would it?

    Even if Gaddafi IS a nutter…still a sovereign country.

    Somebody is playing some interesting Middle East games.

    Are we about to see the dawn of a ‘new day’ in the Arab states?

    At least the jobless rate in western countries will go down, because they will all be occupying Arab states…for the military.

    Here we go.

    RFLMAO


  23. Straight talk, ask, “Which is it, are you or God wrong in your written calculations?”

    Tell us, kind Sir, how the calculations from Daniel 9: 24-27, should be correctly worked out and understood? Do please illuminate us all!


  24. Crusoe, Do you know the possible reasons for Obama’s silence re Lybia, before finally speaking, I think it was yesterday?

    Obama’s Leftist associations and affiliations are gradually been revealed more and more!

    Obama’s former church leader, Rev. Wright, a known radical Liberation Theology exponent, visited Gadafi in Lybia, along with Louis Farrakan, a well known leader of the ‘Nation of Islam’ and his pronouncement, that Obama is, the Messiah, how very interesting are the connections of Obama, and his devious agenda, that’s wrapped in so many different shades of deception!


  25. I’m pretty sure that certain people with a three letter name on this blog knows where to find the ‘Synagogue of Satan’ in the Bible but they cannot explain it away with a long winded rant.

    Some reading I did recognised that many influential Romans converted to Judaism before the collapse of the Roman empire and were also scattered abroad at the time of the Jews.

    The puzzle has always been, what happened to the wealth of Rome, and where did these previously supposed poor Jews coming into Palestine from all over Europe get their wealth from?

    Another interesting point is that it is well known that Israeli money runs the United States and that the privately owned federal reserve has been headed by a succession of alleged Jews. The United States is really an extension of the Roman system of senators, with many symbols taken directly from the Roman empire.

    Putting 2 and 2 together one might believe that the wealth of Rome was hidden behind the facade of being Jewish. In many instances someone being raised as Jewish for generations in Europe would not have any idea that their ancestors were in fact wealthy Romans.

    These are the false Jews. Families like the Rothchilds and many other global elitist also claim Jewish descent. The Romans were the victors, they are the ones who shaped and manipulated ancient stories into the Bible that so many believe in up to this day.

    Peace


  26. @Zoe

    Obama’s former church leader, Rev. Wright, a known radical Liberation Theology exponent, visited Gadafi in Lybia, along with Louis Farrakan, a well known leader of the ‘Nation of Islam’ and his pronouncement, that Obama is, the Messiah, how very interesting are the connections of Obama, and his devious agenda, that’s wrapped in so many different shades of deception!
    ********************
    I don’t know if any of the above men speaks for Obama, but who did Condoleeza Rice speak for when she visited? Gaddafi also met with Tony Blair, is Blair a leftist also? For the record Gaddafi met Blair on more than one occasion So did Sarkozy; Berlusconi…..
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/rice-meets-gaddafi-on-historic-visit/2008/09/06/1220121568706.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552871/Blair-meets-Gaddafi-on-African-farewell-tour.html
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/07/25/us-france-sarkozy-libya-idUSL2583050020070725


  27. Zoe:

    Understand Daniel, what for?

    If after a misspent lifetime of study you still fail miserably to interpret his mystic ramblings and now, according to your recent posts, some other nutter’s tortuous numerology, I think I’m best saving my limited time, tolerance and credulity and keep them all classified with Nostradamus alongside Joseph Smith, Erich von Daniken and other assorted historically irrelevant charlatans.

    Somewhat aware, yet piteous of their adherents.


  28. @Zoe…….Do you know that if I was to do the Math as to the Lord’s plan for my birth from thought being year zero to conception to birth it would also be miraculous?

    Zoe, do you know that there are some christians who do not feel the same way you do about these ‘jews’? Why do you defend them so much?

    If ‘God’ blessed them so much why do they have to do so much evil to hold onto that land? Zoe isn’t it against God’s law to murder, lie,and steal?


  29. Straight talk, Continue smartly in your deluded intellectual ignorance, as you and those of your ilk, pose as paragons of wisdom, commiserating the followers of Christ, talk learnedly and patronisingly about things YOU are grossly ignorant.

    If the light that be in you IS DARKNESS, O’ how great is that DARKNESS; professing yourself to be wise, you are a fool!


  30. Here are a few more Bible prophecies re Israel and fulfillment, since 1948; some are in partial fulfillment.

    3. Israel will prevail over its enemies

    Bible passage: Isaiah 41: 12-14
    Written: Between 701-681 BC
    Fulfilled: Late 1900s

    “In Isaiah 41: 12-14, the prophet said God would help Israel during times of conflict with enemies (if the people have in God). Isaiah said this during a time when the northern kingdom of Israel had already been conquered by the Assyrian Empire. And the southern kingdom, Judah, was about to be conquered by Babylon. (The Bible explains that Israel and Judah lost their independence because so many of the residents had turned to false religions). But, since 1948 when Israel was re-established, Israel has been attacked by much larger countries. And IUstael has prevailed in each of those attacks. This prophecy has found partian fulfillment.”

    Here is Isaiah 41: 12-14

    “Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the LORD your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I Myself will help you,” declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.”

    4. Trees agan would grow in Israel

    Bible passage: Isaiah 41: 18-20
    Written: Between 701-681 BC
    Fulfilled: Late 1900s

    “In Isaiah 41: 18-20, the prophet ‘s talk of a future restoration of Israel coincides with an occurrence in modern Israel – the construction of a vast irrigation system to improve framing. The lack of available water, including rain, is one reason why Israel had been a desolate, unproductive during much of the past 2000 years. But, during the 1900s when many Jews returned to their ancient homeland, they built a network of irrigation tems. And during the past century, more than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel.”

    Here is Isaiah 41: 18-20

    “I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may SEE and KNOW, may consider and UNDERSTAND, that the HAND of the LORD has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has CREATED IT.”

    “In other words, the book of the prophets and their writings were included in the Bible, because they are relevant for us today, because their messages are vital for us.”

    “torah prophecies detail some rather alarming and chilling events in the pre-Messianic era. Included in the prophecies of this era are challenges facing the family and soceity such as: disrespect, intergenerational conflicts, and the very painful disintegration of many families, in addition to the challenges to society in dealing with immorality, crime, and perversions in the justice system. Of course, this era has also seen many nations challenging the rights of Jews to Israel. this century has experienced waves of TERRORISM, as well as the death of nearly 200 million people because of wars and murders ordered by just Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. So the Almighty provided the world with prophecies to alert us to the challenges that lie ahead, and to convince conscientious people to take proper precautions to protect those who are dear to them.”

    “And now, for the outstanding finale to the chapter: who ever heard of a people who returned to their ancestral homeland, after an ABSENCE of 1800 years? Moreover, who EVER HEARD of a people maintaining their national identity during the many years of their being separated from their land? In fact, who ever heard of a people who for 1800 years were always making plans to return? Eventually, most immigrants assimilate into the host country, and adopt its culture quickly. After three generatins at most, the family’s country of origin amounts to nothing more than insignificant genealogical information. Third -generation children of immigrants do not usually dream of returing to a grandparent’s country of origin in order to take up permanent residency there. …this is one of the aspects of assimilation. Certainly, after an absence of 1800 yars, no person would ever dream of returing to live in the ancestral homeland. After an absence of 1800 years, it is not “normal’ for a people to still ream of rerning to their ancestral home. After an absence of 1800 years, for the same people to actually return to their country of origin – this is definitely baffling.”

    “Only the Ultimate Controller of weather and history, Almighty God could have propesied ALL these super-ordinary conditions with their respective sub-miracles. Only the Creator of history could have Created the following miracles:

    * A very productive land

    *An 1800-year exile

    * The prolonged drought and desolation

    * The suddeen greening of the Lands, better than EVER

    *The ultimate return of Jews to their homeland (after an absence of 1800 years.

    “In the face of such overwhelming EVIDENCE, only an intellectually dishonest person could STUBBORNLY persist in maintaining that this series of events occurred by hapenstance. Truly, these stupendous events are incontrovertible PROOF of Almighty God’s active existence, as the Bible itself proclaims.” (PROPHECIES For The Era of Muslim Terror, A Torah Perspective on World Events, pp. 38-40 Emphasis added)

    Absolutely!!! Yes, Lord God Almighty, you control ‘nature’ for it IS Your Creation, to fulfill ALL of Your Decrees, throughout history, one way or the other, according Your Eternal Sovereignty!!!


  31. (PROPHECIES For The Era of Muslim Terror, A Torah Perspective on World Events, pp. 38-40 Emphasis added.

    Poor Zoe, all credibility was lost when you referenced this book.
    Do you really want others to take you seriously when you continue to blatantly expose you obvious biases?
    …And you call people ignorant, blind and in darkness??
    I see no difference between your rants and those of the Muslim radicals you despise…..two sides of the same coin!!


  32. Lies and big lies bent on promoting hatred against innocent members of the Jewish religion, and the USA too, by persons above.

    Lying and Islamic/ist (?) Maat, sins of omission and deception, outright untruths. Thaat is wicked.

    To paint “the Jews” as evil, false Jews who control everything??

    Don’t blame the ‘Jews’ when BARBADOS develops your Muslim Brotherhood violent issues and falls apart. Blame will be on you yourselves, the ‘Maat and Terrence Blackett and Technician’ Muslim Brotherhood.

    Your members are on local radio promoting Islam on the call-in shows, your members defend yourselves from attacks on Barbados Freepress, but here on Barbados Underground you are just as badly in the gutter- you turn around, lie and attack us trying to educate Bajans in wrong tings about Jewish people. I am an innocent man, Jewish are peaceful and we do not participate in this war you all are creating. We are at peace with our local Muslim cousins.

    The 2 mouthed thing that some of you are doing here is Hypocrisy. WICKEDNESS. ARE YOU ALL LOCAL?

    It is wrong to say ‘peace’ and to lay the foundations of conflict in this island the way you are becoming accustomed to doing.

    PLEASE TAKE NOTE BARBADOS, we are NOT responsible!

    I will be found on and in my job, not upon the blog, working totally positively for the good of this Island! Don’t care what religion! Don’t care what colour!! Don’t care how much money you got!!! Leave us alone!!!!


  33. Wow…..

    Now I am a member of the Muslim Brotherhood…ROFLMAO!!!

    There goes my Johnnie Walker Black and coconut water……among so many other vices……..bummer!!


  34. @Zoe…….You still haven’t changed my mind about this wicked, corrupt lot. Instead of putting all your eggs in others’ baskets put them into your own. Stop putting so much confidence in man. I met you as ‘someone else’ but now you’ve morphed into Zoe so all is not lost, you might still come full circle and see that your salvation is contingent on YOUR DEEDS ONLY!

    BUT

    I wish you LOVE, not the love that Hopi gives but the LOVE in its purest form and I also wish you PEACE, the PEACE that passeth ALL Understanding. Go into the recesses of your MIND because the MIND IS ALL!


  35. @Zoe: “Halsall, for someone who claims to be a scientist, with a bent on maths, physics and so on, be informed that the dates (years) quoted from the Biblical text, have no bearing on Einstein’s ‘Time is relative’ as we are dealing here with ‘Calender’ periods of time, Deal with it!

    What I find interesting is in the era the Bible was written the number zero was not understood. Let’s not even talk about negative numbers…

    If I have five goats, and you take two away, and someone else takes three away, what am I left with?

    Zero. Seems pretty simple to me.

    And if I had previously promised a third person one of my goats, what am I left with?

    Negative one goats…

    You, Zoe, tell us to believe the Bible without question, and yet it was written without this most basic of mathematical understanding….


  36. Halsall, Your foolish arguments on this ‘zero’ thing, are blatantly distractive, used as a ‘redhering’ which CANNOT dismiss the central focus on the Biblical chronological time line, establishing the fact that working from Daniel’s 360 day (years) chronology, (the study of historical records to establish the DATES of past events) puts Jesus correctly in Jerusalem A.D 32 the ‘Palm Sunday’, His exact ‘time’ entry there!

    Even hostile witness Wiki, states on this matter, that there was NO Zero year, in the chonological calender dating of years, so, your typical redhering distractives, simply will NOT work, in seeking to strawmanize your intent, as the facts are all there, in simple chronology of dates, years, and logical conclusions, which cannot be disputed!

    Your attempt at ‘splitting’ hairs, on this ‘zero’ thing, is stupid, as whether or not in that era, they understood it, is irrelevant to the facts of the matter in hand!


  37. @ Zoe
    So if as you say there was no Zero AD, and Christ entered Jerusalem on Palm SundayAD32, this means he was only 30 years old when crucified.


  38. Hopi, “Stop putting so much confidence in man.”

    Hops, I put no confidence in any man; my confidence, trust, and resolute FAITH, is IN Almighty God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Almighty Creator, whose historic, divine revelation, as contained in HIS WORD, the Bible, which is forever settled in Heaven, has NEVER FAILED ONCE, in its precise accuracy and fulfillment, of ALL things prophesied and declared therein, NEVER, and will NEVER fail, confirmed by the FACTS and EVIDENCE that simply cannot be refuted, no matter what.

    Secondly, your attempt at paraphrasing the Word’s of Jesus, WHO IS the Only One, that can give any of us His Peace, as He said:

    “Peace I leave with you, My peace I GIVE unto you, NOT as the world gives do I GIVE you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” ( John 14:27 Emphasis added)

    Hopi, I KNOW that Peace, that only Jesus can give, and IT does pass ALL understanding, as NO religious ritual can give that Peace, as it only comes from knowing the Prince of Peace, Himself as ones personal Saviour and Lord, there is nothing like it!

    No money can buy it, there is NOTHING in the world that can even come close to this Peace that Jesus gives to those who Love Him.

    Thirdly, NO amount of ‘good works’ doing good deeds, can save any ones soul from going to Hell. Why is this so?

    “For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH, and that NOT of yourselves: (Why not? Because) It IS the gift of God, NOT of works ( good deed etc) lest any one should boast.” (Eph. 2: 8,9 Emphasis added)

    All other religions, are ‘works’ good deeds oriented, man’s futile attempts at trying to reach God through humanistic/religious efforts, a complete waste of time, as we have nothing to offer God to satisfy His Holy, Just, requirements, in order to be Redeemed from our sinful condition; this is WHY He had to initiate our Salvation, and this He DID, by sending His Son, Jesus Christ, who took our place, bore our SINS, He became our substitute, and PAID IN FULL, the penalty we ALL deserve in Hell, so that, If, we sincerely Repent, and by faith, accept and receive Him into our arts and lives, He gives us His ‘Peace’ that passes ALL understanding, and the Gift of Eternal Life with Him in Heaven when we depart this earthly sojourn.

    The biggest LIE that Satan has fostered on mankind, is that we can work for ur salvation, by good works and deeds, a LIE from the pit of hell.

    However, once one is Saved, justified, redeemed through the Only Saviour there is, Jesus Christ, THEN, go and do ‘good works’ and good deeds, if, one is trying to earn salvation doing by good works, apart from being Saved through Jesus, it is like ‘putting the cart before the horse’ to pull it, can’t work, won’t work!


  39. So, will Zoe lead us in song? ‘Onward Christian Soldiers, marching as to war…’

    What is the next bar?

    ‘To secure our oil reserves’…oops

    That wrong…right?

    ‘with the cross…’there we go.

    What a world. In centuries mankind has not changed, still full of greed, nutters, haters, bigots.

    But, who am I to judge, I can only count for myself and take responsibility for myself.


  40. Crusoe,

    “What is the next bar?”

    “To secure our oil reserves…oop”

    “That wrong-right?”

    My friend, continue with your jocular jesting, and facetious joking, instead of worrying about you salvation, continue focusing on secular things, and see where it will get you,

    “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, (i.e., oil, gold, wealth, etc)and LOSES his own soul. Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?” (Mark 8:36, 37)

    Hear Jesus yet again:

    “Do NOT lay up for yourselves treasures on EARTH where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do NOT break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:19-21 Emphasis added)

    What more glaring example do we have RIGHT NOW, before us, with the Middle East crisis, Mubarak lived like a royal King, HOARDING vast sums of BILLIONS of $$$, yet, he had to RUN away, look at Gaddafi, another tyrrant, whose wealth is untold, today he is fighting like a crab, and the story goes on; look at Berie Mad-OFF, another crab, who now exist like a dog, and the list goes on, and it knows no colour, Arabs, Jews, Europeans, whites, blacks et al, when the Great Depression hit the world in the 1930s, the mega-rich, many of them, who had no time for Jesus, committed suicide, all of their wealth, was gone in a flash, hopelessly, they died in utter dispair.

    Hear God’s word, again:

    “Come now, you RICH, weep and HOWL for your MISERIES that are coming upon you. Your riches are CORRUPTED, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your GOLD and SILVER are CORRODED, and their corosion will be a WITNESS against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up TREASURE in the last day….you have lived on earth in pleasure and luxury, you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter.” (James 5: 1-5 Emphasis added)

    “Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You LUST and do NOT hav. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the worl (system) IS enmity with God. Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.” (James 4: 1-4)

    There are also, many poor people who are Godless and wicked as well, poverity does not mean, that a man/woman is right with God because they are poor!

    Also, they are Rich and Poor, who love the Lord, riches in itself is not evil, it is what one does with their wealth, that matters to God, and they are poor people who Love and trust the Lord, and He lloks after them as well.

    Money is not evil in itself, it is the LOVE and LUST, GREED, of IT, that corrups.

    “For the LOVE of money IS the ROOT of all kinds of EVIL, for some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and have PIERCED themselves through with many sorrows.” (I Timothy 6: 10 Emphasis added)

    Let him who has an ear, hear!


  41. Please…..Zoe..spare us!!

    My question is simple, do you enjoy any of the things of this world?
    Like nice suits, clothes, a nice house etc.
    I can hardly picture you living of the land dressed like how Moses was portrayed, having nothing to do with the things of this world, just going around preaching while awaiting the 2nd coming.


  42. The quotation from the beginning of this thread, taken from Matthew, who Zoe claims was an eyewitness to all that he wrote, proclaims that the disciples went up to Jesus privately, does that mean that they let Matthew in amongst them to witness this conversation and record it, or was Matthew told of this conversation which he wrote about 60 or 70 years later?

    Again I ask Zoe where were those writers who witnessed the last supper. They tell us that the disciples were gathered together with Jesus.

    They do not mention each other as witnesses and scribes. For instance Matthew does not mention John being there or vica versa, Mark does not mention Luke at any of the events that they supposedly witnessed; Moses gives no indication on where he was hiding in the Garden of Eden to describe all that he wrote about, and at that time only Adam and Eve were around, right?.

    Some of us need to take the log out of our eyes before we try to encourage others towards salvation.

    Peace


  43. @Zoe ‘My friend, continue with your jocular jesting, and facetious joking, instead of worrying about you salvation, continue focusing on secular things, and see where it will get you”

    Just because I speak of the intricacies of politics and economics and the implications therein of current powerplay in the Middle East, does not mean that I do not have my own view of spirituality and (in my own belief) my own view of what you term as ‘salvation’.

    How DARE you preusume to put yourself as judge and jury towards others, indeed was this not a prime teaching of the prophet and teacher Jesus of Nazareth?

    Your zealotish belief that your and only your beliefs are accruate and correct is not only presumptious, but ludicrous and based on NOTHING other than faith itself, which is fine per se.

    BUT, admit it instead of quoting writings, which are opinions in of themselves by various equally zealotish individuals.

    Bear in mind that thus far I have been very civil, yet you choose to ridicule, whomever you decide bears any viewpoint other than your own tunnel vision.

    I will now revert to the real issue in the Middle East, which is OIL.

    If ever oil became irrelevant, there would be no more issues in the Middle East, indeed every (note the word every) country in that region would instantly lose any international political relevance.

    The fact is, that the current power play has its roots in the oil needs of the world and the necessity of ensuring that supply is uninterrupted.

    Nothing else.

    And please, do now come now with the ‘oh solo mio’ crap that you have used thus far, that you are scorned and ridiculed, for then remember to use your own advice before you attempt to fester your extreme ideas upon others.


  44. @Zoe: “Halsall, Your foolish arguments on this ‘zero’ thing, are blatantly distractive, used as a ‘redhering’ which CANNOT dismiss the central focus on the Biblical chronological time line, establishing the fact that working from Daniel’s 360 day (years) chronology, (the study of historical records to establish the DATES of past events)

    Earth calling Zoe. Please come in Zoe.

    Please forgive me for pointing out that 2000 years ago our instruments, our measurements, and our understanding, were not a good as they are now today.

    For example, we now know that the earth revolves around the Sun (not the son) approximately once every 365.256363 days (read: revolutions of the earth). Not every 360.000000 days.

    This is why we have leap years (with special cases (such that the year 2000 was a leap year, while 1900 wasn’t and 2100 won’t be) and leap seconds…).

    There is an entire scientific discipline dealing with the accurate measurement of time and any “time math” required.

    Interestingly, this discipline understands the number zero…

    @Zoe: “Even hostile witness Wiki, states on this matter, that there was NO Zero year, in the chonological calender dating of years, so, your typical redhering distractives, simply will NOT work, in seeking to strawmanize your intent, as the facts are all there, in simple chronology of dates, years, and logical conclusions, which cannot be disputed!

    You misunderstand (as usual).

    I agree that there was no “year Zero” in the Bible.

    This is exactly my point.

    To say again, why should we trust a document written when even the most basic of numbers — zero — wasn’t understood?


  45. Crusoe, “How DARE you presume to put youself as judge and jury towards others, indeed was this not a prime teaching of the prophet and teacher Jesus of Nazareth?”

    FYI, I stand upon the Great Commission of the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Word, the Bible, NOT my own, I can judge no one, but rest assured HE will, and His Word, I therefore, proceed upon His command to His disciples, TO:

    “Go into ALL the world and PREACH the Gospel to EVERY creatue. He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved, but he who DOES NOT believe will be condemned.” ( Mark 16: 15, 16 Emphasis added.

    If that offends you, tuff, you are entirely free to believe whatever non-historical, unsubstantiated, mystical, abstract nonsense you pull out of a ‘hat’ like hot-air, but, this will never stop or prevent me, from declaring the truth of His Word, which HAS and continues to transform multiplied millions around the world every year, with living, real, testimonials.

    Nothing that man can do, will stop the devastating erruption presently taking place in the Middle East, and its consequent fall-out, over the world, so continue to try and ‘secure’ what is simply not securable.

    Where are you going to run and hide, when the reality further its home, in where ever you live? Which false ‘demon’ god are you going to call on then?


  46. @Zoe: “Where are you going to run and hide, when the reality further its home, in where ever you live? Which false ‘demon’ god are you going to call on then?

    I do notice, with interest, that you have quoted a great deal, but have not answered my direct questions…

    Hmmmm….


  47. Halsall, “…the entire scientific discipline dealing with accurate measurements of time…” etc, while I understand this point, it STILL remains irrevelant to the facts re the Biblical data, all of which are taken into account by leap years, etc, in arriving at the truth.

    Further, as already stated, whether or not, Daniel et al knew about Zero year, is simply not the point, it is a non sequiter, a scientific ‘redhering’ thrown into the facts, to distract from the truth of the math, which is sound and sccurate, regardless of ‘Zero’ year.

    Its like one man using centimetres to measure something, while another uses inches, at the end of the day, it matters not whether centimeters or inches are used, as long as the final computation is correct and accurate; and this IS so with the Biblical data.

    Deal with man, and stop your scientific jargonized ‘redhering’ nonsense!


  48. @Zoe: “Further, as already stated, whether or not, Daniel et al knew about Zero year, is simply not the point, it is a non sequiter, a scientific ‘redhering’ thrown into the facts, to distract from the truth of the math, which is sound and sccurate, regardless of ‘Zero’ year.

    OK… Let’s play this further…

    When the Bible was written, was it believed the Earth orbited around the sun?

    Or was it believed that the Earth was the centre of the Universe?

    (A great man was put in jail for daring to argue the former…)


  49. @Zoe ”FYI, I stand upon the Great Commission of the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Word’


    Bullshit. the Bible was written by men and hence, corrupt and an abridged version of history, to suit the needs of a select few. Or will we accept that anything written eons ago is unfiltered and ‘clean’, in which case, soo too is the Qu’ran.

    Zoe- Which false ‘demon’ god are you going to call on then.

    I don’t have a false demon, only God.

    You Bible toting screamers don’t have sole rights to God , and if that offends you ‘tuff’ , as you say. You also are free to believe whatever ‘you are entirely free to believe whatever abridged-historical, unsubstantiated, mystical, abstract nonsense’ that you wish also.

    But the problem is that you Bible-thumpers and your kin the Qu-ran-thumpers are going to go head to head and kill us all, fruitcakes.

    Bunch of nutters.

    And if you dont like that …tuff.


  50. Zoe states….
    “Go into ALL the world and PREACH the Gospel to EVERY creature. He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved, but he who DOES NOT believe will be condemned.” ( Mark 16: 15, 16 Emphasis added.

    Zoe goes on to say……
    ….”If that offends you, tuff, you are entirely free to believe whatever non-historical, unsubstantiated, mystical, abstract nonsense you pull out of a ‘hat’ like hot-air, but, this will never stop or prevent me, from declaring the truth of His Word”…………

    Yet still it is also written in Matthew 10, these instructions from Christ……

    “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet”………..

    Then why in Gods name does Zoe still persist to the point of insulting others, to shove his beliefs down their throats, contrary to the instructions given?


  51. @Jack Spratte ‘jack spratt | February 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM | Why are religions so obsessed with sex and the “end ” of the world?’

    One possible, is that because both have to do with second coming?


  52. Anyway, enough blog entertainment for the night. Have a nice night all. Including Zoe….even if the second coming don’t happen tonight. Lol


  53. Crusoe et al, I’ve posted this many times before, and, I’ll say it again, as it is principled on Logical absolutes, which guide us to ‘think’ ‘reason’ critically, objectively, and coherently, on any given subject matter.

    In assessing any religious ‘worldview’ it is necessary to adhere and follow these logical rules and principles.

    1. Reason, (that is the ability to think rationally), IS necessary for revelation, (historic facts, evidence) to be coherently understood.

    FACT: The only document of antiquity, book, that gives and states with unparalelled wisdom, and knowledge, confirmed by historic veracity, the Origin, Morality, Purpose, and ultimate Destiny of mankind IS, the Bible, the Word of God.

    It IS the most read and beloved Book of all time!

    2. The structure of justification, IN defending any propositional ‘Truth Claim’ IS coherence, as coherence IS our sole criteria for TRUTH.

    FACT: The Only ancient document, book, that passes this test, criteria, overwhelmimgly , unparalelled with any other religious book, is the Bible, God’s Word.

    Its revelation, proclamations, and prophetic declarations, are ALL confirmed by:

    Logical Consistency
    Empirical Adequacy, and
    Experiential relevancy,

    Unlike any other religious book, ever!

    The blowhard scoffers, critics, and uninformed nit-wits, here and elsewher, offer NO substance, essence, whatsoever, NIL- ZERO ignorance, in their attack, denial, and idiotic folly, on God’s Word, the Bible, they only utter baseless, voidless, childlike, HOGWASH, that one would expect from some brainless, moronic twits!

    Unless, and until, David stops and blocks me from posting on BU, and he still displays commonsense, and fair-play, thank you David, I’ll never stop proclaiming, declaring, and defending, the Truth of God’s Word, never!

    Long live BU, as a forum by which both, sound, rational, intelligent, historic facts and evidence re God’s Word, can be proclaimed, and the absurd, ignorance, and down right stupidity, that flows from some who in utter NO -sense at all, in attacking it!


  54. Ignorance is ignoring to answer the hard questions. It’s like someone trying to shine a light in your eyes. You know it’s there but you keep your eyes shut and cover your ears and say blah. blah .blah.

    Peace


  55. For the benefit of other quiet observers, in Matthew 10: 11-15, Jesus said to His disciples:

    “Now whatever CITY or TOWN you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out.” (v.11)

    “And when you go into a HOUSEHOLD, greet it.” (v.12)

    “”If the household is worthy, let your peace come on it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” (v.13)

    “And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that HOUSE or city, shake off the dust from your feet.” (v.14)

    “Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of SODOM and Gomorrah in the day of Judgment than for that city.” (v.15).

    There is especially ONE, or maybe a few more haters and dispisers of God’s Word here on BU, that would love nothing better than for me to exit BU, and be silent, apart from that ain’t going to happen, the specific passages cited above, speak to the then NT world, where there were NO TV, NO Internet, or mass media communications, available, hence the words, HOUSEHOLD, or City, are used by Jesus in this particular context of “…depart that HOUSE or CITY, shake off the dust from your feet.” (v. 14b).

    However, here on BU, apart from the fact that there are many other topics, that I do not post comments on, and obviously there are other commenters, who are quietly, reading what I post et al, plus the fact that we really do not know how many overseas, in other countries, who are also reading quietly, but saying nothing, some been enlightened, PUTS BU as an Internet Blog site, in an entirely different setting, than a ‘Household’ or small city, commonsense would naturally dictate this understanding, but, then again, some don’t even have any commonsense!


  56. In the Word of God, the Bible we read:

    “He who speaks truth declares righteousness, But a FALSE witness, deceit.” (Prov. 12:17).

    “Though you grind a FOOL in a mortar with a pestle along with crushed grain, Yet his FOOLISHNESS will not DEPART from him.” (Prov. 27: 22 Emphasis added).

    Enough said!


  57. @ BU et al

    I am gobsmacked to sit and see how this idea of “religion” evokes such potent passions… The remarkable nature of the vitriol suggests that those who are trying to counter arguments against GOD*, FAITH*, THE BIBLE* & other aspects of CHRISTIANITY* clearly have NOT* presented sufficiently LOGICAL* arguments which would in anyway DEBUNK* the authenticity of the “REVEALED SCRIPTURES” as a means to disparage the notion or idea of FAITH*…

    Admittedly, there are some very “BRIGHT” folks on BU who hold very arduous yet assiduously arcane concepts while others choose to merely argue from a position of emotional semantics which beclouds their ability to openmindedly analyze specific aspects of Scripture and to elucidate counter-arguments…

    ZOE* clearly presents a “TOUGH” fundamentalist Scriptural position that can be hard to reason with, however, his epistemological persuasion has its basis in profound theological thought (something I pray that we are all able to live up to including my dear brother)…

    It maybe an uphill climb to suggest to the good folks on BU to observe a certain modicum of emotional detachment when NOT* observed, results in unnecessary arguments, name-calling and psychological pugnaciousness…


  58. Why Christianity Works: An Emotions-Focused Phenomenological Account* by Christian Smith
    (University of Notre Dame)

    It has been three centuries since Voltaire launched his attacks on the Christian Church, 160 years since Marx reduced religion to a narcotic of the oppressed, 125 years since Nietzsche proclaimed the death of God, and nearly 80 years since Freud exposed the illusion of faith as erroneous wish fulfillment in projecting a father figure. The Enlightenment and modernity brought with them profoundly anti-Christian voices and forces, and generations of these same intellectuals have debunked Christianity, deconstructed the church, and foretold the
    demise of the Christian faith. Today, more than a few heirs of this secular and secularizing tradition carry on this skeptical cause, inhabiting, in particular, knowledge
    class enclaves in higher education, the media, and various highly credentialed professions.

    http://socrel.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/2/165.full.pdf


  59. Why is it that as soon as you question the Bible, you automatically despise it?
    Must we follow blindly as sheep because our fore fathers did?
    That is the problem with you ‘christians’ today, especially the fanatics.
    You all seem to have a monopoly on the topic where it is what you say and nothing more, yet there are so many divisions who cant even agree on something like the Sabbath.

    No one one BU insults others more that Zoe once you dont share his views but I guess as long as you do it in the name of God, it is right.


  60. @ techie

    ZOE* is a zealot! That makes it hard for him to not take the crystal staircase… No one (including ZOE*) has a patent on the truth… And yes you are RIGHT* when you say that we have serious “DOCTRINAL” issues when it comes to whether we should observe the SABBATH* or sunday as a day of WORSHIP…

    If in the very near future, religious liberty is going to be a major contentious battle over whether we will be forced to observe a SPECIFIC* day – then we would have to accept that all along, ONE POSITION WAS RIGHT AND THE OTHER WRONG!!!

    Till then we plod on…


  61. TMB, Thanks for the compliment, I’m not the least bit ashamed of being called a Zealot, especially coming from you, as I’ll never compromise the TRUTH, on HIM, The Lord Jesus Christ, who IS the Eternal personification of TRUTH!

    For He said, “I AM the WAY (not one of many ways!) the TRUTH, (All of it, not just some of it!) NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT through ME.” (John 14:6 Emphasis added)

    Jesus was either the biggest liar, lunatic, and fraud, OR, He was who He claimed to be, the Eternal Son of God, the Only Saviour of mankind, manifestly, witnessed by those EYEWITNESSES, who KNEW Him, personally, and His Resurrected Power, and Glory, without which, there would have been NO indwelling Power that gave unbelievable further WITNESS to this SPIRITUAL reality, right down until today, and NO ONE, by unbelief, hatred against it, or any other devious intent, can EVER STOP its flow, as this glorious manifestation of Jesus’ authority in Heaven and on earth, comes from His Father, the One true, living and soveriegn God, who cannot be approached through any other Mediator, Advocate, and High Priest, than Jesus Christ.

    It is for this central Christological, Christocentric, TRUTH, and its attended doctrines, that I contend, and will never compromise!

    On the accusation of insulting others here on BU, the record will show, that I’ve been called all sorts of insulting things, expressly, BECAUSE of my uncomprising loyality, faith, and resolute commitment to Jesus and His Word, the Bible, AND, invariably, the insults, and insulting ALWAYS started first, by those scoffers, who could offer no, objective, sound refutation, but, resorted to words derison, redicule and mockery, AND this was launched deliberatly, AT Dictionary, a gentleman, scholar par excellence, a brilliant mind, and a son of our Caribbean region, who WAS repeadtedly INSULTED, over and over again, and NEVER responded, as I DO, well, that is Dictionary, the consummate gentleman he is, I am more a Martin Luther type personality, I do not suffer fools easily, I simply do not have time for that nonsense, come with sound, clear, well thought out, objective, valid, arguments, NOT the crap, and ignorant foolishness, disguised as ‘my opinion’ versus yours, when opinions, that ARE empty of logical content, are nothing more than, just THAT, hot-air, vacuous, venemous, malignant , pustule, BS!

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