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The WikiLeaks saga has given rise to some interesting analysis. Is Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks, justified in leaking what has been classified as sensitive communication between the US State Department and its embassies and consulates around the world? Assange’s position is ‘the disclosures are purely an exercise in democracy, which is partly understood to include embarrassing government officials and exposing what is seen as hypocrisy in national and international politics.” US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has rebutted by stating “the publication of classified diplomatic cables constitutes an “attack on the international community. It is an attack on…the alliances and partnerships, the conversations and negotiations that safeguard global security and advance economic prosperity.”

Modernghanna.com used an interesting analogy to describe how a diminutive Australian by the name of Julian Assange has used the Internet to expose the demagogy of the world’s most powerful countries.

“An old African story teaches that the size of the elephant is no guarantee that it is safe from the machinations of small and lesser known animals in the forest. So the tiny ant could find its way into the elephant’s nose, and the elephant would spend days begging the little ant to stop biting.”

One of the WikiLeaks cables targets how the Chinese government orchestrated cyber attacks on search engine giant Google dating back to 2002. Although it has been reported  Google resolved the issue in July to prevent censorship of Chinese search traffic, there is a learning which BU and others have been highlighting for some time. There is a comfort level by mainstream media and others to quote government spokespersons and so-called reputable news services without question.  What should be evident from the WikiLeaks saga is the firm confirmation of how trusted ‘entities’ have abused positions of privilege in the name of maintaining democracy or stoking geopolitcal interest.

In the same way 911 has changed world travel so too WikiLeaks has changed how news and information is given credibility by ordinary citizens. What a mess humankind, the intelligent species of the world now finds itself.

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153 responses to “WikiLeaks Has Shown How Freedom Of Speech Can Be Manipulated By Trusted Sources”

  1. David Avatar
    David

    A related matter about how the powers that be can manipulate information to the detriment of John Citizenry.

    EU-Google antitrust probe: Microsoft case was very different

    The news that Google is to be investigated by European Commissioners immediately recalls the long wranglings between Microsoft and the EU over Internet Explorer – those culminated in multi-billion Euro fines, and every European user of Windows being presented with a screen that told them other web browsers were available.

    In fact, however, this new case is very different: Google is accused by a small number of search sites of unfairly lowering their rankings. Although none of them want to make Google’s secret methods completely public, they’re demanding greater transparency in how Google ranks the “Quality” of sites.

    Read full article

  2. Sid Boyce Avatar
    Sid Boyce

    I always get nervous when I read “human” and “intelligent” in the same sentence as I don’t see the fit. Put a man in a loin cloth and he is a savage, put the same man in a uniform and he is a soldier – he is still the basic savage he always was – characterised elsewhere as an accessorized savage and that’s most of humanity.
    WikiLeaks tries to demonstrate just how primitive modern though and action is, just dressed up to appear as something wholesome and right.
    Another offspring of the internet is an application called (CIA) Citizen Intelligence Agency which is a piece of software that monitors the performance of Members of the Swedish parliament. Now that could do wonders if adapted to monitoring parliaments across the globe where citizens are parliaments’ worse enemies.

  3. Sid Boyce Avatar
    Sid Boyce

    “modern though” should read “modern thought”.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    @Sid Boyce

    It makes you think doesn’t it?

    If governments will manipulate information what about the other entities that makeup civil society?

    In Barbados those large companies that contribute significant advertising dollars to the media, it begs the question to what degree is the Barbados public being suckered.

  5. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    @David. My position on all this is:

    If we accept the principal of Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy (and Ontario has it right – they are indivisible: Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act
    R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER F.31), we have to accept that nations, by their elected governments, have the right to the protection of their privacy from and against other nations.

    There, therefore, exists a fine line as to what ought to be revealed and what ought not to be revealed and there is no way of revealing national secrets to JUST the nationals of any given country and expecting them to be kept secret. We are in the age of the Internet, after all and even if we were not, it is a non-starter anyway.

    As we as a Nation move towards protection of our individual privacy, we have to accept that we also have to protect our National privacy as entrusted to our government. And that is why the FOI legislation is indivisible – because it sets the rules by which it can be determined what is and is not privacy protected.

    For that reason, Wikileaks, in my humble opinion, is no better than a fifth column or international spy cartel and the sources of its information ought to be criminally indicted for treason. It has the potential to place at risk the lives and well-being of many people, not least civil (diplomatic) servants whose job it is to serve their countries by carrying out the policies of those countries.

    Having said that (and as I have said) there is a fine line and it behoves us as a democratic nation to use whatever resources we have to ensure that the people of repressive regimes have a voice.

    This is no black and white issue, but one in which there are many shades of grey – and basically these shades of grey can only be determined by the individual National ethic. Not by some self-appointed spy.

    It is all very well for us to jump up and down with excitement at the thought of the USA, UK and others having their secrets exposed – but where they lead, we will inevitably follow. And then it is just a short step before our individual privacy is compromised.

    Have I read the Wikileaks – you bet I have. Very interesting and, in some cases, highly amusing. Do I agree with the leaks – no way!!!

  6. David Avatar
    David

    @Amused

    Your position has so much merit. The phenomenon of the Internet has given the opportunity for ordinary citizens to challenge the establishment which hitherto was very difficult to accomplish. FOI will help but the nature of how governments operate means that such legislation will be crafted to protect the deep/dark secrets of central government.

    Let us agree that the Internet as long as it exist will create a certain tension which should hopefully keep all the players on Ps and Qs.

  7. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    @David. Agreed.

    I would hate to think that private and privileged communcations and files of my country (Barbados) would be published by anyone on the Internet where the result would be disadvantageous or downright dangerous to Barbados or any single Bajan.

    For many centuries, we have had laws governing privilege – whether absolute or qualified. At their most identifiable, absolute privilege attaches to doctor-patient and lawyer-client relationships and communications. It also attaches to communications between husband and wife. Wikileaks strikes at the very basis of this privilege and at the very foundation of family.

    I would guess that you have been the recipient of supported information that you, in the National and non-political partisanship interest, have taken the decision to withhold. In doing so, you have used the Internet responsibly. Much of the Wikileaks information could have been disclosed without adverse effect to the security of the nations concerned. However, there is much of it that adversely affects diplomatic efforts to secure peaceful solutions, thereby placing lives at risk. To quote Jack McCoy in Law and Order, “Reckless indifference”. And that is what Wikileaks has been – recklessly indifferent to the lives and safety of many. I cannot say that they have displayed bad judgement – I do not believe that they have exercised ANY judgement. They have also placed a weapon in the hands of those who will try to use it to limit freedom of speech. That is deplorable. I hope Sweden gets this man, locks his ass up and throws the key away. What might have been used as a positive force for good has, instead, been used as a launch-pad for potential evil.

  8. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    It is really enlightening to hear a lawyer speak in terms of ‘good’ and ‘evil’. The bushman was under the impression that those in the legal fraternity only understood ‘legal’ and ‘illegal’.

    So Assange has been using his leaks as a ‘launch pad for evil’!!!!!?

    The Bushman wonders how Amused would assess the manner in which the ‘establishment’ – From world governments to his legal profession – has been using their previously protected status?

    Is he happy that the US and other world governments have been using their privileged control of information ‘for the public good’?

    Has the protection of secrets from the public been for the ‘good’ of the Barbadian public in the administration of justice in Barbados?

    The Bushman is no supporter of Assange, but would be VERY interested to hear exactly how the exposure of THE TRUTH to the public can be “a launch pad for evil”.

    Where security operations are above board, decisions are transparent and operations are well intentioned in the first place, how can someone exposing the background information to the public be classified as evil?

    It seems to a simplistic bushman that ‘evil’ fits much better as a description of the kind of establishment that would commence a war with Iraq on false pretenses, and kill or maim millions of innocent people.

    What other approach would Amused suggest to bring the ‘evil’ of which the bushman (and obviously, Assange) is concerned, to and end…?

  9. David Avatar
    David

    Some background to the man behind WikiLeaks.

  10. ac Avatar
    ac

    @BUSH TEA
    Does Classified Informationfall in the same category as Freedom of Information Or The Public Right to Know?

  11. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    The Bushman is on to something.

    Has Amused considered that agencies like cia cisis mi5 uses the “secret and classified informaation” as part of their modus operandi.

    Who decides how secret a secret is to be? Lawyers
    and politicians? mmmmmmmm

  12. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Evil! What is it? What does our Creator say on this matter, as it relates to mankind?

    Hear HIM!

    “The heart (inner self, which thinks, feels, and acts, it is central to man, see Prov. 4:23) is DECEITFUL above ALL things, and desperately WICKED; Who can know it? ( Only God) I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.” ( Jer. 17: 9,10) emphasis added.

  13. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ ac,

    “Classified” information, like the manner in which “‘sub judice” is used in Barbados, is nothing but a convenience used by those in authority to protect their privileges and positions from public scrutiny.

    No doubt there are some secrets that are best kept from general knowledge in the overall scheme of things, but the general practice has been so manipulated by EVIL persons in privileged positions, that many now feel that it may be best to bare it all and let the chips fall where they may….

    Think about this very carefully David, it goes to the very heart of the value and importance of BU.

    Lawyers will be understandably biased in this matter. They may not be interested in whether their client is GUILTY or INNOCENT, but rather in how they can successfully defend them from prosecution.
    But for those of us interested in TRUTH and JUSTICE, it is hard to see how the truth can be anything but LIBERATING.

  14. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    As a follow on:

    “My son, give attention to my Words; Incline your EAR to My sayings, Do not let them depart from your EYES; Keep them in the midst of your heart ( the inner self, which thinks, feels and acts)For they are life to those who find them. And health to ALL their flesh. Keep your HEART with all diligence. for out of IT spring the issues of LIFE. Put away from you a deceitful mouth. And put perverse lips far from you. Let your eyes look straight ahead, And your eyelids look right before you. Ponder the path of your feet, And let all your ways be established. Do not turn to the right or the left; Remove your foot from EVIL.” ( Proverbs 4: 20-27) emphasis added.

  15. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @Zoe,
    You have disrupted the flow of this conversation. Please let us finish before you interject your higher level of understanding.

  16. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    You would have gleaned from BU postings about WikiLeaks there is an ambivalence while understanding the risks in releasing the info given the nature of some of it. WikiLeaks has shown the conniving ways governments operate. Yes it is understood clandestine activity may have to occur but based on what we have read we don’t like some of the decisions taken at all.

    Can you imagine a negative story breaking about LIME or DIGICEL? How would the Nation deal with it? What kind of discussion would occur between the editor and the company?

  17. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Barbados will have to be careful how the FOI act is implemented.

    I am also curious as to whether Tax treaties and other “agreements” can give foreign governments access to our “information”.

    We have seen the lawsuit against the GOB tried in Ontario.

  18. Zion1971 Avatar
    Zion1971

    People who are crying over the wikileaks are just embarrassed that they have been caught “swimming naked”. And the poor analysis about putting people lives in danger is just straw grabbing.What wikileaks does for us is to provide proof of the duplicitious nature especially of US foreign policy. We already knew most of their intention but coudnot prove it and wikileaks just provide us with this proof. I dont know about you guys but for me it feels liberating and frightening at the same time when I read some of these cables. Now, the UN spying was the one that took the cake for me, that goes to the heart of international diplomacy and international law and people like Amused come on this forum espousing gibberish. @ David, how much damaged can be done if through wikileaks we get to find out that officials in government or the private sector here in Baradaos are involved in criminality and treasonable activities? Some people cant handle the truth because of embarrassment and the like but my brother the truth is a very orgasmic feeling.

  19. ac Avatar
    ac

    @BushTea
    How can you say That Classified Information is “Only a Convience”used to protect the privilege from public privilege . Maybeyou are only thinking of the way things are done in little Bim. However on an International Level. There are certain clandestine operations which must should be planned in th utermost secretcy in order to protect the citizens of the country. This is not BS vs’ D’s . These are governments who see each other as threats to their National Security . Therefore certains measures have to be put in place in order to protect their people and country.
    Question: What other options would you prefer theGovernmentsto use.

  20. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    @BT. If you read what I said properly, it may just become obvious to you that I have already answered you. You must be having an off day. Also, your comments about the Bajans who happen to practice law are gratutitous and ignorant – we are, after all, Bajans first and I would remind you that two of our greatest sons of Barbados were lawyers and Q.C’s. Errol Barrow and Tom Adams. Or do you propose to question their dedication and commitment to the good of Barbados and its people?

    Some years ago, at what was then Bartel, before we could dial direct for overseas, an incident occurred. An overseas call to Dominica was placed with one of the Bartel operators. The lady in question inadvertently left the line open and heard the caller, whom I shall call Mr A, speaking to his mercenaries in Dominica about the overthrow and military take-over of the government and people of Barbados. The then PM, who is named above, was informed at once and, in concert with the Government of Dominica, managed to bloodlessly avoid the planned coup. I speak under correction, but I do not believe that Barbados had a defense force then and do you really think that members of the RBPF, even armed, would have been a match for these merceneries?

    Take that incident and translate it to today (minus or plus defense force) and add in Wikileaks. Let us suppose that Wikileaks got hold of our government’s information and plans and published them. One of two things could happen. Mr A could give up his plans – or he could just change them – and the blood bath that would ensue as every Bajan with a gun tried to take on fully armed mercenaries would, I suppose, BT, be an acceptable price to pay in your opinion, just so that your agenda could be met. And it is no good telling me that the USA would step in – we know that – but after how many Bajans lives were lost. And for what? So that Wikileaks could financially profit? To give you a platform to hit out at “right to know” and at the legal profession that has supplied us with three (3) of our greatest prime ministers?

    Clearly, BT, you are having an off day that prohibits you from reading (or remembering – senile dementia perchance?) your history from only 30 years ago. Time to up your game, don’t you think? Or take your pills.

  21. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Verily I say unto you;

    Should I not have every reason to believe that Amused is a retiree ?
    Should he not be protected against rebuttal and criticism?

  22. kiki Avatar
    kiki

  23. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Wikileaks is cool but it would be way more interesting if pictures could be uploaded and downloaded and circulated

  24. David Avatar
    David

    We had the cold war period which transgressed to a preference for diplomacy.

    Agree or not Wikileaks is moving the goal posts regarding how decisions and associated information is generated and managed. It is no easy subject.

  25. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    @BAFBFP | December 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM |. Whether I am a retiree or not should not make a difference – without differing opinions, no one learns anything, so I have no problem with that at all.

  26. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    I am not so sure that countries should have this secrecy when it comes to government business. Privacy is one thing but secrecy is another. Amused, I am not with you at all. wikileaks can only hurt those who have been doing foolishness and while you telling me about them getting hurt, these people hurt poor people, cause their deaths, rob them, etc. They can’t be innocent; nor their families that benefit at the expense of poor people.

    In this country, any Bajan can be PM, so what is the privacy about? What we condone is putting people up there whom we know will not act in our interests and give license to them to proceed in a covert manner. Then we sit, grumble and quarrel about our plight.

    Any secrecy in this world cannot be of any good to the people of this earth, but merely designed to give advantage to a select few. Secrecy should be a no-no in today’s world. We don’t need any more 911s secretly perpetrated by government. We don’t need a select few to sit down and decide to sell out Barbados and don’t care who they hurt in the grab for the almighty dollar. All of this justification for secrecy is a bare facade that they have us educated so well, not to see.

  27. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    I fully support monitoring paid government officials to hold them accountable but I find the secret surveillance and supervision and blacklisting of innocent citizens incorrectly stereotyped and identified objectionable. Data Protection and Human Rights legislation should permit individuals to request all Government (and Credit Agencies) to release all data held on file in their name (within 28 days).

  28. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Kiki

    I think there is still something like that on the law books. Any government department that has a file on a person, that person has the right to see it.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    Recent WikiLeaks leak appear to be of concern as far as national security goes:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8183136/Wikileaks-US-identifies-key-sites-around-world-for-security.html

  30. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    Talking about WIKILEAKS On FB or Twitter could endanger your job prospects, a State Department official warned students at Columbia University School of International & Public Affairs… (see Huffington Post)

  31. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    wikileaks aiding terrorism? Government is the biggest terrorist. They wriggling like pigs under the knife. Terrorism cannot be used as an excuse for secrecy.

  32. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    I am so convinced that if the secrecy stops, so will the terrorism.

  33. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    Sources suggest that if Assange is extradited to face bogus charges in Sweden for “leaking” sperm – what will be released will make all previous cables look like child’s play…

  34. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ ROK
    “Terrorism cannot be used as an excuse for secrecy…”

    How else can they achieve compliance?

  35. David Avatar
    David

    @ROK & TB

    Understand and appreciate the thrust of your positions but don’t allow yourself to be naïve on this matter.

    Are we not operating in a time where a clash of cultures and religions give rise to nations waring against nation?

  36. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    @David
    =======
    Are we not operating in a time where a clash of cultures and religions give rise to nations waring against nation?
    =======
    Yes we are not operating in a time where a clash of cultures and religions give rise to nations waring against nation?

    (or should that read as : no we not operating…… in a time where a clash of cultures and religions give rise to nations waring against nation?)

  37. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    (Adrian Sherwood) Boogaloo / The Ignorant Version / Majestic

  38. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @BU.David… Please don’t be naïve yourself.

    We now live in a time when there is a ***lot*** of money to be made from the clash of cultures and religions.

    Trust that while “mini-Bush” may have Believed in his illegal war with Iraq (searching for weapons of mass destruction which his own people didn’t think were there — and which were never found), trust that many others around him saw dollar signs dancing before their eyes….

  39. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    WIKILEALKS USA – MORE CABLE AT 9!!.. & POSSIBLY 11?? MBS CDO’S & MMD’S REAL WMD’S ==> TARGET WT7 911 ASAP

  40. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    Also please note BU.David et al that in the entire history of the “Great” US of A no “war president” (read: a president sitting during a time of war) has ever lost a re-election for their second term.

    To be cynical, “Jr.” might have been advised to declare war simply to ensure a second term. What does the cost of many lives compare to the opportunities that provides?

    I often wonder how history might have played out if Al Gore was President at the time of the 9-11 attacks.

  41. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    ROK | December 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM | On the contrary – we ARE together on what you said. Re-read what I said and you will see that. Social commentary and revelations about government wrongdoing is laudable. However, exposing the plans of government in matters of national security are NOT. Somehow, ROK, I have the feeling that a man of your calibre would NEVER do anything to endanger the security and safety of your fellow man. Exposing government corruption, on the other hand, is not only the duty of every citizen, it should be a pleasure – at least I (and my record speaks for itself) have always found it so. So, as always, ROK, we DO agree.

  42. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Amused: “Social commentary and revelations about government wrongdoing is laudable. However, exposing the plans of government in matters of national security are NOT.

    Oh, please come to terms with reality Amused. I suspect you’re able.

    It is aledged that all of these leaks are because of a single 22 year old private in the army downloading the information, and then burning it to a CDR. The only reason the source of the leak was found was because he was stupid enough to brag about it.

    Some questions for you:

    1. Why would a private have access to “secret” information?

    2. Why would the systems not pick up this private accessing information he did not “need to know”?

    3. How the (*%&$#!!!!ing) heck did this private have access to a computer which allowed him to burn a CDR and/or write to a memory stick which also had access to all this information?

    Some additional questions for you:

    4. Might it be possible that the great US of A wanted these leaks?

    4.1. It might be noted that the security forces in the US of A (FBI, CIA, et al) were critisized for not sharing information?

    Observations:

    5. Please note that as a result of these “leaks”, the security forces in the US of A will now have an excuse for not sharing information.

    6. Please note that it was concluded that because of lack of sharing of information that important connections were missed in previous attacks…

    6.1. …and a great deal of money was (and lives were) wasted because of this.

    7. Hmmmm….

  43. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ CH
    “We now live in a time when there is a ***lot*** of money to be made from the clash of cultures and religions…”

    AMEN brother!!!

  44. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @TMB… It’s rather sad, isn’t it?

    Present empirical evidence and ask honest questions, and silence is the answer.

    Just what is one to do?

  45. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    Does anyone out there besides me notice a glaring hole in this leaked intel?

    Qui bono?

  46. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @All…

    Has anyone else noticed that when things get serious, much noise suddenly appears?

    @Straight talk suddenly talks about much gay stuff.

    @Bonny Peppa suddenly starts talking in a language not documented (she claims it’s English) and tries to pick up every man near “her”.

    @kiki suddenly starts including videos.

    At the end of the day, I wish to have an honest discussion on the serious matters involved.

    Why is this seemingly impossible?

  47. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Can you imagine a negative story breaking about LIME or DIGICEL? How would the Nation deal with it? What kind of discussion would occur between the editor and the company?
    ************************************
    David, what we need is for you or Amused to give us some general examples of where it is ‘wicked’ to make information that reflects THE TRUTH, public.

    The position that the US and other governments (and Amused) are taking is built around the belief that some of us are special – and are somehow entitled to restricted access to the REAL truth, while others are required to trust them completely while held in abject ignorance.

    If a negative story broke about LIME or DIGICEL, or anyone else for that matter, then what is wrong with all the facts being put on the table and letting the chips fall where they may?
    As it is now, Amused and a few of his lawyer friends would sit down together, decide who was to be protected, who was to be thrown to the wolves, and how much it will all cost the ignorant consumers. They will then concoct some far-fetched story to be fed to us sheeple to keep us distracted and stupid.

    If the bushman was a lawyer, politician or priest, Bushie would likely see it just like Amused too….

    BTW Amused, we still tight! …. no need to attack the bushman personally. Senile dementia crept in decades ago and BT do not take pills – strictly bush medicine.
    And thanks for the laugh about EWB and JMGMA having been lawyers – and your inference therefore that lawyers can not be all bad…!!!??? HA HA Ha Ha LOL Can we see the statistical analysis that supports such an inference? did you use ANOVA…?

    ….you may be a good lawyer, but you are looking to defend the indefensible, or as you would say, to take on a low probability case…LOL

  48. Zion1971 Avatar
    Zion1971

    @ CH. Right on brother. People talking about classified information when in reality over 2 million americans had access to them.You got alarmist like Amused talking about putting people life at risk…Pleeeeeeeeese.How many lives did the CIA cost thousands of innocent people during the cold war? or they were just collateral damage.? Oh I see only American lives are precious.The wikileaks controversy is just pure noise.The Wikileaks files have nothing on the former FBI director( J.Edgar Hoover) when comapre to his deeds. As a matter of fact Julien assange is an angel compare to Hoover.

  49. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “give us some general examples of where it is ‘wicked’ to make information that reflects THE TRUTH, public”
    ………………………………

    BT… how about revealing the identity and location of someone in a witness protection program?

  50. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @MME: “BT… how about revealing the identity and location of someone in a witness protection program?

    An interesting example, which I would agree with.

    However, do you know of anyone within a witness protection program here in Bim MME? (The correct answer is no.)

    So, beyond this then, is there any reason that those who do know the truth (beyond their legal responsibility to refuse to answer) shouldn’t answer honestly?

    Just asking…

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