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Julian Assange of Wikileaks fame

You need to be aware that there is a legal base in the UK, the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987, that would allow us to take actions in order to arrest Mr Assange in the current premises of the Embassy.

“We sincerely hope that we do not reach that point, but if you are not capable of resolving this matter of Mr Assange’s presence in your premises, this is an open option for us.

The Telegraph

The unprecedented support which Julian Assange continues to muster from ordinary citizens across the world makes for interesting study. As a blogger BU empathize with Assange and wish him well.

The threat by the United Kingdom to invoke a law to trespass on what is usually regarded as hallowed ground confirms that the First World powers will not allow Assange to slip through a loophole without baring its muscle.  Ecuador can look forward to a battle. Let us hope it has a David ending.

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  1. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    Craig Murray, human rights activist and former British ambassador to Uzbekistan (fired from the diplomatic service by the UK Foreign Office after he disobeyed orders to stop asking his bosses in the UK to take some type of action to pressure the Uzbek dictator – a US/UK ally in the “war on terror” – into ceasing from torturing dissenters and his political opponents) has commented on this matter.

    He claims on his blog that his inside sources informed him that No. 10, under heavy pressure from the Obama administration, has made the decision to invade the embassy of Ecuador to capture Assange. So far this has not happened. Perhaps his sources were wrong, or perhaps the furor that has been raised over the UK committing such a blatant violation of international law and established diplomatic protocols has caused No. 10 to reconsider such an action, no matter how much heat they are feeling from Washington. There is, I suppose, the possibility that the Brits are still biding their time and just waiting for an opportune moment to put such a plan into action, and the SAS Storm Troopers are still on standby..

    Since the article is not that long, and Murray specifically requested that it be freely reposted, I have copied his entire blog post below.

    America’s Vassal Acts Decisively and Illegally
    By Craig Murray

    UPDATE

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    I returned to the UK today to be astonished by private confirmation from within the FCO (FCO = Foreign and Commonwealth Office /GM) that the UK government has indeed decided – after immense pressure from the Obama administration – to enter the Ecuadorean Embassy and seize Julian Assange.

    This will be, beyond any argument, a blatant breach of the Vienna Convention of 1961, to which the UK is one of the original parties and which encodes the centuries – arguably millennia – of practice which have enabled diplomatic relations to function. The Vienna Convention is the most subscribed single international treaty in the world.

    The provisions of the Vienna Convention on the status of diplomatic premises are expressed in deliberately absolute terms. There is no modification or qualification elsewhere in the treaty.

    Article 22

    1.The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter
    them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.
    2.The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises
    of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the
    mission or impairment of its dignity.
    3.The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other property thereon and the means of
    transport of the mission shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution.

    Not even the Chinese government tried to enter the US Embassy to arrest the Chinese dissident Chen Guangchen. Even during the decades of the Cold War, defectors or dissidents were never seized from each other’s embassies. Murder in Samarkand relates in detail my attempts in the British Embassy to help Uzbek dissidents. This terrible breach of international law will result in British Embassies being subject to raids and harassment worldwide.

    The government’s calculation is that, unlike Ecuador, Britain is a strong enough power to deter such intrusions. This is yet another symptom of the “might is right” principle in international relations, in the era of the neo-conservative abandonment of the idea of the rule of international law.

    The British Government bases its argument on domestic British legislation. But the domestic legislation of a country cannot counter its obligations in international law, unless it chooses to withdraw from them. If the government does not wish to follow the obligations imposed on it by the Vienna Convention, it has the right to resile from it – which would leave British diplomats with no protection worldwide.

    I hope to have more information soon on the threats used by the US administration. William Hague had been supporting the move against the concerted advice of his own officials; Ken Clarke has been opposing the move against the advice of his. I gather the decision to act has been taken in Number 10.

    There appears to have been no input of any kind from the Liberal Democrats. That opens a wider question – there appears to be no “liberal” impact now in any question of coalition policy. It is amazing how government salaries and privileges and ministerial limousines are worth far more than any belief to these people. I cannot now conceive how I was a member of that party for over thirty years, deluded into a genuine belief that they had principles.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/08/americas-vassal-acts-decisively-and-illegally/

  2. David Avatar
    David

    Of interest:

    There is a factual error circulating. I’ve made this error as well. The Ecuador government granted Assange diplomatic asylum, not political asylum. The difference is described here in an AP story:
    Significantly, Ecuador did not grant political but rather diplomatic asylum to Assange.
    “Political asylum would imply that Great Britain is persecuting him or threatens to persecute him,” said Robert Sloane, international law professor at Boston University. By granting diplomatic asylum, Ecuador is keeping the door open to political negotiations. Sloane said that the type of asylum does not confer any diplomatic status or special privileges on Assange.

  3. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    It will be interesting to see whether Britain follows through with its threat to raid the Ecuadorean Embassy, the British didn’t raid the Libyan Embassy after Yvonne Fletcher (British policewoman) was shot by someone from inside the Embassy during a demonstration against Gaddafi in 1984.

    Any action by Britain would open the flood gates for “rogue” states to enter any Embassy under any pretext if they want someone who may have taken refuge there. Perhaps Cameron needs reminding that Britain has diplomats and citizens in many countries and there is nothing that a bit of diplomacy can’t resolve.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    @Sargeant

    Can’t fault your view but the Assange case seems to be pushing button in high places.

  5. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Taken from the blog that David linked.

    “6:20 PM EST More from State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland:

    QUESTION: All right. And then just back to the Assange thing, the reason that the Ecuadorians gave – have given him asylum is because they say that they agree with his claim that he would be – could face persecution, government persecution, if for any reason he was to come to the United States under whatever circumstances. Do you find that that’s a credible argument? Does anyone face unwarranted or illegal government persecution in the United States?”

    F#ck yes ….!

  6. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    People have very short memories. Gen. Noriega from Panama sought political asylum in the Vatican embassy in Panama away from the clutches of the US government which sent soldiers and war planes to invade Panama and kill over four thousand four hundred Panamanians of Barbadian decent. The soldiers set up huge loud speakers outside of the building and turned them on at full blast with heavy metal music. Noriega in a bid to spare his Pope the humiliation of the way that his Embassy was being violated gave himself up to a Kangaroo court. Had any other country done this, there would be NO forgetting.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    Bottomline, if Ecuador is some how able to squirrel Assange out of the country we will have another Cuba in the making.

    10:08 PM EST AP report on the notion that the Ecuador government granted asylum to show it is “morally superior.” Includes a quote from a US congressman, who is most likely one of many elected keepers of the Washington Consensus that Latin American countries now increasingly challenge:
    U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel, a ranking member of the U.S. House’s Western Hemisphere subcommittee, has met Correa several times and believes he understand the wager.
    “He’s a very smart guy and this wasn’t done in a vacuum,” Engel, a New York Democrat, said. “The reason is to kind of be the head of the poke-the-United States-in-the-eye group.”
    He was referring to the alliance that includes Cuba, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Argentina and President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, whose longevity is in question after a bout with cancer.

  8. David Avatar
    David

    Here is another live blogging on the standoff from traditional media:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/aug/16/julian-assange-ecuador-embassy-asylum-live

    Interesting perspective from a Canadian journalist. It is unfortunate we don’t have local media practitioners who can give a view.

     
    Why seizing Assange could break international law
    By Mark Gollom, CBC News
    Posted: Aug 16, 2012 5:00 PM ET
    Last Updated: Aug 16, 2012 4:27 PM ET

    British police officers stand guard outside the Ecuadorian Embassy in central London after Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino announced that he had granted political asylum to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. (Sang Tan/Associated Press)
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    The British government could find itself hauled before an international court if it moves in on the Ecuadorian embassy where WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been granted political asylum.
    “It’s pretty simple under international law,” Temple University international law professor Peter Spiro told CBC News. “Without the consent of the state whose embassy is implicated, the host state may not enter those premises.”
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/08/16/foreign-embassy-julian-assange-sovereignty.html

  9. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    The support stems from the perception that charges against him only appeared AFTER his enterprise disclosed secrets that would have traversed the electronic waves.

    Hence, while charges against him are serious, the perception is that they have been trumped up to persecute him for disclosure of matters that governments’ worldwide feel is their sole domain.

    The issue goes back to one of our own i.e. transparency and integirty.

    Why SHOULD such disclosed facts not be disclosed?

    Whye SHOULD we believe and follow politicians worldwide like sheep to slaughter?

    THAT is where the support for Assange comes from, that people worldwide have had enough of what they see lying and deceitful governments and do not believe that any government has a right to withhold information from its citizens.

    Withholding of information and ‘state secrets’ are the first step to authoritarian governments, which actually already exist to an extent.

    ALL information (apart from identity and location of security agents and their families and persons of diplomatic and political sensitivity, should be available to the public.

    But it could and will never happen, the powers that rule the world will not allow it.

  10. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    Paul Craig Roberts, former member of the Ronald Reagan Administration, calls it as he sees it:

    Ecuador President Rafael “We Are Not A Colony” Correa Stands Up To The Jackbooted British Gestapo

    snip

    Let’s be clear, Assange is not a fugitive from justice. He has not been charged with any crime in any country. He has not raped any women. There are no indictments pending in any court, and as no charges have been brought against him, there is no validity to the Swedish extradition request. It is not normal for people to be extradited for questioning, especially when, as in Assange’s case, he expressed his complete cooperation with being questioned a second time by Swedish officials in London.

    What is this all about? First, according to news reports, Assange was picked up by two celebrity-hunting Swedish women who took him home to their beds. Later for reasons unknown, one complained that he had not used a condom, and the other complained that she had offered one helping, but he had taken two. A Swedish prosecutor looked into the case, found that there was nothing to it, and dismissed the case.

    Assange left for England. Then another Swedish prosecutor, a woman, claiming what authority I do not know, reopened the case and issued an extradition order for Assange. This is such an unusual procedure that it worked its way through the entire British court system to the Supreme Court and then back to the Supreme Court on appeal. In the end British “justice” did what the Washington overlord ordered and came down on the side of the strange extradition request.

    Assange, realizing that the Swedish government was going to turn him over to Washington to be held in indefinite detention, tortured, and framed as a spy, sought protection from the Ecuadorean Embassy in London. As corrupt as the British are, the UK government was unwilling to release Assange directly to Washington. By turning him over to Sweden, the British could feel that their hands were clean.

    snip

    The entire world, including Washington’s servile puppet states, understands that once Assange is in Swedish hands, Washington will deliver an extradition order, with which Sweden, unlike the British, would comply. Regardless, Ecuador understands this. The Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino announced that Ecuador granted Assange asylum because “there are indications to presume that there could be political persecution.” In the US, Patino acknowledged, Assange would not get a fair trial and could face the death penalty in a trumped up case.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/08/16/ecuador-president-rafael-we-are-not-a-colony-correa-stands-up-to-the-jackbooted-british-gestapo/

  11. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Green Monkey

    Let us assume that the man did do something wrong to two women in Sweden. Does this merit all of this police time, court time and British tax payer’s money? Don’t these people have something better to do with their time. Clearly something is afoot.

    The US has been doing so much shite for so long all over the world, violating every human right and convention imaginable and yet it still appears to be the most popular Government in the world … Now how dey get dah do …?

  12. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    My opinion, for what it is worth, is that while the legislation would appear to be in place for the UK to enter the Ecuadorian Embassy, is it really. The legislation itself is designed for terrorism and terrorist acts and ought not and cannot, in my view, to be applied to this instance. I don’t believe that the Brits will storm the Ecuador Embassy. Why bother. They are perfectly within their rights to prevent Assange from leaving the Embassy and, if he does leave, to stop any vehicle in which he is contained and detain him. End of story.

    I am actually not sure why everyone is sure that something is afoot. I don’t think that there is. I believe that this is what Assange would like everyone to think, but I personally do not buy into it. The UK is under a legal imperative to extradite Assange to answer rape charges in Sweden. If the roles were reversed, Sweden would be under a legal imperative to extradite Assange to the UK.

    Also, frankly, given he volume of publicity that this whole issue has generated, the USA is not going to go dashing ahead and court further controversy by pursing someone who is no longer any threat.

    So, I believe that it is high time that we stopped playing into Assange’s hands. The number of people who have been left financially up the creek by this man is legion. They stood surety for him, in some cases mortgaging all they had, and he skipped to the Ecuador Embassy, which means that they are paying massive interest on money that they cannot get back. And if he escapes to Ecuador, they are truly f**k*d.

    I also don’t like the message that some are sending, even if it is their right to send such a message. Forget about Wikileaks and all that. The message that is being sent is that Assange must not be tried for the violation of two women and these women must forego their day in court and just forget it, because of who Assange is. I condemn that view.

  13. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Amused

    Just when I was beginning to warm towards you … Look if I had the US gunning for me I would duck too. Look at Jamaica for a second, when the US was focused on Dudas Coke. Do you really think that this Coke could be so stupid as to wave his right to an extradition hearing? Did you not notice how conveniently things sorted themselves out, his lawyer (A senator) becoming a mouth piece in defense of what took place, no real redress for the actions of the “security forces”, a PM resigning from office and coke winding up in a US prison and being made to look like an idiot with a woman’s wig by the international press. What do you think would happen to Assange in Sweden, a “soft target” for US vendettas to be exercised ..!?

  14. Colonel Buggy. Avatar
    Colonel Buggy.

    Maybe Raul Garcia should take a leaf out of Mr Assange’s book, and at the first opportunity on being released , make a beeline for the US Embassy ,stay there , and demand refugee status.

  15. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Must say that Bushie is at a complete loss in trying to follow Amused. This is as clear a case of typical Amerikan bullying as one can get.

    These are people who have managed to accumulate for themselves a most despicable and shameless record of bullying, terrorism and greed….and they have managed to do this against a background of championing democracy, law and order and respect for human rights.

    But there is a reason for all this…..
    Very shortly, they will come to realize that you always reap what you sow….some will call it God’s judgement, but spiritual Laws are irrefutable

    It is particularly distressful when we recall the PROMISES of transparency, diplomacy, peace and cooperation made by Obama and the diametrically opposite reality of his presidency.

    …the British are indeed pathetic… One would have thought that after the folly of following Bush to Iraq, and then Obama to Afganistan, they would be more cautious when asked to play this puppy role with Assange…. But perhaps puppies will always be puppies.

  16. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    @Amused et al ”

    I also don’t like the message that some are sending, even if it is their right to send such a message. Forget about Wikileaks and all that. The message that is being sent is that Assange must not be tried for the violation of two women and these women must forego their day in court and just forget it, because of who Assange is. I condemn that view.

    —————

    I do not think that is the view being expressed at all. The view being expressed is one of concern for human rights and the possible scenario of trumped up charges, to silence an individual who is at the forefront of the electronic march for freedom of information.

    That is the issue, it is not as simple as you are making it sound. And to allege that others are defending illegal acts is disingenuous.

    Why, after Wikileaks became so prolific, even very suddenly, did these charges surface, just as suddenly?

    Coincidence? Or the reaction being too much of a coincidence and of such a type that would frustrate his Wikileaks actions, a case of, as you legal people would say ‘Res Ipsa Loquitor’?

    Sorry Skipper, being around too long and become too versed in the ways of people and things….and still being shocked and disappointed daily, to believe otherwise!

  17. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    Sorry for the large copy, only intended Amused last paragraph, computer playing tricks.

  18. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    And also, as legal people such as Amused would understand, the circumstances of a case, in getting at the issues of said case, are relevant. Fact that there were a number of embarrassing issues surfacing as a result of Wikileaks, before, suddenly, these charges surfaced.

    Some would reply, that these charges are independent of those issue,s but one must acknowledge that secret services have for many years worked behind the scenese where necessary, to achieve desired outcomes. To believe otherwise is not only naive, but idiocy.

    That the easiest way to shut down Wikileaks is to discredit the messenger i.e. Assange, by charges that are demeaning, is obvious.

    What Assange needed to do was sell or otherwise part with Wikileaks to some other group, who has similar objectives as he does or in the beginning to structure it so that there is no one ‘head’ to aim for.

    Of course, one then risks being hit with some other ‘label’ that the media then rush to propagate at will, for the sheeples to follow, dribbling while they sit on the sofa eating salt ridden snacks and drinking an extra large soda.

    Fodder for the masses, riches for the wealthy.

  19. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    The U.S. wants Assange. And the U.S. like the Mounties “always gets their man”
    Ecuador is giving the U.S. the [middle] “finger”.
    The British would be happy to see the back of Assange.
    Assange would be happy to be back home in Australia.
    The British won’t invade the Ecuadorean Embassy. They will wait it out.

  20. Amused Avatar
    Amused

    @Crusoe. So Assange comes to Barbados and sexually assaults your daughter and then flees to the UK and, after an order for extradition is given, goes to the Ecuador Embassy and is granted asylum. And by your standards, since you have been round for so long and know the ropes, you will take the view that your daughter is part of a CIA conspiracy to defame and bring down Assange and that therefore Assange ought to be allowed to get away with the rape of your daughter, a rape which you doubt in any case, because you think she is in league with the CIA.

    Got it!

  21. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    @Amused,

    Dont try to counter with the ridiculous. Of course that is not what I am saying.

    And you are being deliberately disingenuous. You know VERY well how these things work.

    Come on, as an experienced litigant dont you even have the slightest wonder that these charges cropped up right after the embarrassing disclosures?

  22. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    I guess my daughter would have to come to me or her mother and admit that she was NOT put up to it. I have known her for a long time and would know if she is lying. But of course my daughter is no where near as stupid as to find herself in a situation that was said to have occurred in Sweden, but even if she were, knowing that the US Government is involved in some way, I would persuade her to suck it up and move on, for her own personal safety.

    These two women who are accusing the man of wrong doing probably have NO living fathers.

  23. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Come on Amused.
    This was initially dismissed by a Swedish prosecutor as nonsense. One of the women said that she gave him peace (as Hants would term it) and he did not use a condom. The other said that she gave him peace and he took two….
    A different female prosecutor decided that it was serious…. The man volunteered to be questioned in England….
    …get real!

  24. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    I think Amused should be credited with learning from Stephen Lashley’s “How to Draw Attention to Yourself” free classroom sessions … Come on people the man havin’ lil fun … and why not ..!? HA HA HA

  25. David Avatar
    David

    Taken from Richard Drayton’s facebook page:

    Richard Drayton

    Since people in my friends and networks insist on prejudging Assange, quoting out of context the testimony against him, and seem to ignore (or be ignorant of) the many improper and strange aspects of the prosecution I post this.

    The key subsequent issue is why Sweden cannot agree either (a) to interview him on Ecuadorian soil or (b) to guarantee that Assange, if he returns to Sweden, will not on no circumstances extradited to any country outside of the EU?

    http://notesonwikileaks.tumblr.com/post/15251907983/assange-extradition-fact-sheet

    Assange Extradition Fact Sheet

    notesonwikileaks.tumblr.com

    15 Overlooked Facts About the Assange Extradition Case 1) Julian Assange is not charged with anything in Sweden or any other country. [Source: @wikileaks] 2) Julian Assange did not flee Sweden to…

    Like · · Share · about an hour ago near Cambridge, England ·

    Stephen Small and 3 others like this.

    Richard Drayton http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-intends-to-chase-assange-cables-show-20120817-24e1l.html

    US intends to chase Assange, cables show

    http://www.smh.com.au

    US intends to chase Assange, cables show

    51 minutes ago · Like

    Jack Tunstall The strategist(s) who came up with the idea of splitting the ‘progressives’ on this issue by shifting the focus to how rapey Julian allegedly is, rather than the sinister and apparently extra-legal nature of this whole prosecution, really struck gold with this one.

    32 minutes ago via mobile · Like

  26. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    And the world keeps on turning….. any one with an iota of common sense realizes that the US wants Assange because he published their “secret” cables. The Brits are just cooperating by delivering him back to Sweden where he will face some trumped up charges of violating the sanctity of two Swedish women. Imagine tha,t Sweden the country that started this new sexual revolution by giving us “I am curious Yellow” is charging a man with rape because he had dalliances with these women. After his deportation the Swedes will conveniently transfer him to the US where he will face the full brunt of US “justice”, I suppose that he will share living quarters with the soldier who leaked the documents.

    Meanwhile back in the USSR Putin has shown that the old Soviet system is still alive and kicking ( he led the KGB after all) by ensuring that the members of “Pussy Riot” ( there is a name that BAFBFP will love) will spend some time in jail for opposing him. interesting how many opponents of Putin end up dead or in jail.

    Finally BU has been spending so much time navel gazing that it failed to mention how South African Police massacred some black miners (shades of Vorster), and to think that South Africa has a Black President and the Police Commissioner is a Black woman, plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

  27. David Avatar
    David

    @Sargeant

    Certainly it is not beyond to have submitted a view on it? Sometimes you guys expect blood.

  28. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    No David You do it .. And you forget about the Campus Trenz conviction … You slipping man. You know you got a lot of blood to go around … HA HA HA

    Pussy Riot … HA HA … Tell me another …!

  29. David Avatar
    David

    What happened!

    http://youtu.be/yu4WCskniEc

  30. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Sargeant “Finally BU has been spending so much time navel gazing”

    I think BU has its priorities right. Focus on Barbados.AX and wiretapping. The coming elections. Wutlessness damaging our children. The imploding economy

    Ease up pun David. BU can’t cover everything.

  31. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201294_model.html

  32. David Avatar
    David

    Ecuador’s President wants a guarantee that Assange will not be extradited to a third country, don’t see how Sweden can promise this given its history:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19309183

  33. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    Errata
    It should be “shades of Verwoerd” not” shades of Vorster”.

  34. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    The former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan,Craig Murray, speaking at the Ecuador Embassy 19/08/2012 in support of Assange

  35. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    @Green Monkey et al,

    No doubt that many people worldwide are very concerned at the type of authoritarian actions that have been exhibited in the past few years.

    Smokescreens and games, we must all be very wary. Traps close before we realise.

    The best advise anyone can give is to tell others not to take up a weapon for any ‘war’ cause.

    If all the ‘peasants’ like us worldwide refuse to raise a weapon, the warmongers could not do dibble.

  36. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    And from abc news, a comment quoted from Republican Congressman running for Senata, Akin.

    ”Akin first told KTVI-TV on Sunday: “First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

    ???Fruitcake!!!

  37. David Avatar
    David

    "No idea really": Sweden says it will not give reasons why it cannot interview Assange in UK: MUST LISTEN http://t.co/YRAigAmB

  38. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    @Crusoe

    The man is not a fruitcake, he just spoke what he believes, so what if it is a medieval concept? Some of these people would fit right in with medieval times. Do you know that he is a member of the House Science, Technology and Space sub Committee? Was he selected to membership because he is a “Space Cadet”? 🙂

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h-word/2012/aug/20/legitimate-rape-medieval-medical-concept

    http://science.house.gov/jurisdiction

  39. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    @David
    The Swedish police went to Serbia to interview a murder suspect, why refuse to go to London to interview Assange?

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