Now how you know that the lady is who she say she is ….? You don’ think that a true woman/politician would have better things to do this Sunday than reading all this tripe …?

@@BAFBFP,
True women and men can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Politics
You seem to be a real ol time gentleman. But you would agree with me that there is a break down in morality in the society today and it starts in the home. I am a working mother of grown sons now but when they were growing up and we were out working they knew that it was not possible for me to be at home to care for them they way I would like because of the financial constraints. They turned out ok. Because even though you cannot always be a stay at home mom, discipline is the key that has to be instilled from an early age and this is very lacking in today’s world. My boys knew from very early how far to go with me. Their dad was an easy walk over where discipline was concerned so I had the dual role of disciplining and I had no problem with that at all. I never spared the rod. Their botsy was mine when they fell by de way-side.
I don’t think that materialism has a lot to do with women becoming independent and striving for success. Some men are way more materialistic that women, especially when it comes to their car.
Off topic: What do you think of stay at home dads?
Here’s my take on that; as long as you’re strong n able-bodies, get up offa ya ass n wuk.

David
I tawt dat i was BU matriarch? stupseeeeeeee, you does get me rale sick, hare? LOLLLLLLLL

Senator Irene
Welcome N Congrats.
You are a very down to earth individual. I admire you. I am a granny now but when/if I ever get a daughter, I want her to be just like you. LOLL
Bonny is very naughty at times so please by-pass my posts. LOLL

@Bonny Peppa,
YOU, seem to be a REAL OL TIME LADY.

I am all for the discipline you mentioned above. And, yes, there is a break-down in morality in the society today which has its roots in the home.

Clearly in your case you could not have stayed home. You had no choice. It is good to hear that your children turned out all right. I suspect that “balanced and loving discipline” had a part to play in your success (I mentioned balanced and loving discipline less I be accused of supporting juvenile brutality)

STAY HOME DADS – Modern invention. Not meant to be. However, there may be exceptions to this where circumstances dictate that a man may have to stay at home.
However, generally speaking, this is an example of mixed-up roles. The man was made to “take the reins”. Dysfunction is the result when a man surrenders his role.

@Bonny Peppa,
I am not an ol time gentleman; like you, I was born in 2000

Are there any PERFECT FAMILIES? Mine wasn’t.

I got divorced when my daughter was 4 yrs old. Her dad was selective when he wanted her when it was convenient for him. That didn’t bother me at all I would encourage him to come and get her and take her to ballet, swimming and spend quality time with her. He backed out many times. And when he wanted to spend time with his new wife he would let her know that. Yet his only thing in life was to convert her to his religion.

She went away on a scholarship at 17 years. He supported her sporadically by sending little pocket change when I got vex and old him off. I was cussed for sending her away to school because I didn’t consult him. He didn’t have to pay one red cent towards her education. When she went on to do her Masters degree he said that she did not consult him so he will not supporting her with the little bds $400.00 a month that he used to give me for her support and that he even took me to court to reduce it and failed .

She has completed her Masters and is back home working. She is a beautiful level headed well mannered young woman. When she was at university in the USA I would get soo many compliments about her manners and her attitude. She knew that I loved her, had confidence in her and would support her through good times and bad. A parent’s duty is prepare their children to be good moral citizens and independent thinkers.

Many fathers have failed their offspring yet it is mothers who had to sacrifice, work hard and put their own lives on hold to raise their children. Woman strong, could tek more stress dan man, cud bear more pain dan man and cud survive widouta man. An somma wunna feel dat she ain capable to lead?

islandgal246 hush do ….!

Politics
I beginnin ta get a ‘feelin’ fa you ya. ya too swoite. Jus now sumbody gun tell me dat i wutliss causen i in luv wid all de BU menz. such is life. as Sparraw sa, ‘de moe de merriah’.
I was born Feb.31st 2000. A Wensdee ta be xack.

islandgal
me n you is two thorofares but we raze we chil’ren rale good nah? blessins to de two a we. n we do um almos singlehanded. kudos ta de two BU thorofares dat raze good, productiv chil’ren.
doan mind BAF. he is a gallas-bate. he like bare ‘noise’. LOLL
girl if divorce mean failure, well i fail bout 5 times n lookin at failure #6 as we speak. murtherrrrrrrrrrrr.

Nuff respect Islandgal246 and daughter.

@Politics, you are doing very well for a 10 year old.

@Haunts,
Thanks, I knew you would have come around to my wisdom. Doesn’t the Bible say: “A little child shall lead them?”

Island Girl
Good to know that you have pulled through despite the odds. You, however, are carrying some serious baggage and need to let go.

If you are implying above that men don’t support their children (based on your side of the story with your ex.); please take note and come again: There are many, many men out there who love and support their children (even divorced men through Child Maintenance).

The reason why Child Support turns ugly is because of the father’s perceived response from the mother.

Both parents turn bitter against each other with the child being used as a weapon, and, unfortunately, being burnt and held to ransom.

@Island Girl
“Divorce does not mean failure; look at it as liberation” (Your quote).

Divorce is ugly and should never be, but we live in a cruel world where fair play and honesty are wanting and scarce.

Are you sure, though, that your quote is correct? Is your hypothesis a remedy in helping to build a stronger relationship?

@Politics

Like you turn bush counselor. The only baggage I got is the two suit cases I am packing for my trip next week. LOLLLL

Mistakes happen in life, we own them and do something about them. Liberte, egalite, fraternite

@Island Girl
I agree. A woman should never have to take a man to court for supporting his child, but there is no one-fit answer to this question.

Sometimes the father is delinquent; sometimes he is intentionally delinquent; to get back at the mother.
There is also the case where the mother uses child support as means of milking a perceived cash cow.

@Politics .
Man you are true defender for the indefensible. Two people have a child together and one refusesto to show any kind of responsibilty financially or otherwise and you pleading selfdefense on the mans part for relinquishing his responsibilty to the child because of something that might have happen between him and the mother, Who do you think the court going to favour ? Another one of your cockamame excuses !

@Politics “There is good and bad in life. Divorce can be liberating for some and traumatic for others.

In the old days women and even men stayed in violent abusive relationships.

It is better for children to be raised by a good single parent than in a loveless abusive relationship.

@Haunts,
I agree with your sentiments.

However, stats show that divorce is USUALLY ugly; especially for the children.

I believe that it is better sometimes not to marry. Of course this is based on hindsight.

@Politics
“But, it is better to divorce than to stay in a sexually abusive relationship.
With respect to a physically abusive relationship, I think separation is the better choice.”

OH MY GOD! I can’t believe that someone would state the above.

You are way out on a limb…you really do not understand physical abuse can be sexual abuse. There is no difference between them, it is all physical. I am astonished to hear this from a man. Your comprehension of physical abuse has left me in shock. Mental abuse is another serious matter. It is very obvious that this is way beyond your imagination and comprehension.

@Politics

So you are saying it is better to separate than divorce a spouse who has beaten their partner to pulp, maim them for life and nearly killed them to remain married to them? That says everything about you as a human being. It is clearly why people with your beliefs are usually the perpetrators of of domestic abuse.

You also said “Divorce allows you to leave one set of trouble and glide into another set.” Which planet are you on? What kind of troubles?

Marriage should never be a life sentence for those who have gone into it and have suffered abuse. Whether they live together as common law or have a piece of paper, I consider it still a union.

Whether it’s physical, sexual or mental, anyone who does this to another is committing a crime against humanity and self.

Congratulations Irene you are a striking beauty with some brains. My wish for you is to send that short jackass George’ Barrack’ Payne packing.

Payne and Barrack are brothers I say. No two vertically challenged men could look so anal in hats and not be related.

You will have backing of Mia Labourites for the backstabbing he and Owen cowardly did to Mia.

1) Cabinet Minister when Barrack got contract? George Payne
Legal Counsel for Barrack at the time? Ask George Payne if he wasn’t.
Conflict of interest? If it wasn’t, then the interest ($) is now a conflict.
Note that he cannot say a word in Parliament when this matter come up.
2) Minister in charge of BWA at one time? George Payne
Legal firm responsible for BWA’s business? Dowell’s
Chambers.
Chief cook and pot-washer at Dowell’s Chambers? George
Payne (in association with Dale Marshall).
Conflict of interest? You decide.