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Then in February 2009 an FBI whistle blower revealed that prosecutors had conspired to withhold exculpatory evidence from the defense and had falsified records. In particular, the prosecutors withheld testimony that the cost of the renovations was actually less than Stevens had paid. They also knew that the star witness was likely lying at trial when he said that a friend of Stevens had told him to ignore the senator’s request for an invoiceNational Post

Deseased former Senator Ted Stevens (l) US Attorney General Eric Holder (r)

In the build up to the last General Election the then opposition party highlighted the relationship between VECO and the Barbados Labour Part government with good effect. Barbadians it seemed bought into the allegations that the Arthur Administration had become tainted by relationships with VECO, the company which built the Dodds Prison, 3S, the company which widened the ABC Highway and would have built the contentious flyovers and others.

The story quoted above maybe of interest to Barbadians to expose how reputations can be crushed by a US Justice System believed to be just but which can be manipulated all the same by those with political agendas. The following comment was received by BU and in the interest of promoting free and frank exchanges, we publish:

Please read this incredible miscarriage of justice. I hope Barbadians understand that this had a connection to a company called VECO and the accusations, groundless it seems, led to its demise.  At least a Barbadian (Holder) had the courage to stop the rot. You should be proud. How easy it is to spread rumours and falsehoods!!! You should publish this as a lesson in the extent to which the US justice system will go to destroy somebody.

Here is the link to the National Post story (copy pasted for those who don’t link to follow links:

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Father Raymond J. de Souza August 12, 2010 – 9:30 am

Kevin Lamarque / Reuters

Then Alaska Republican Senator Ted Stevens leaves the U.S. District Court in Washington on Oct. 22, 2008.

The worst moment of the late Ted Stevens’ long political career was the most important.

Senator Stevens died in a plane crash on Monday, having spent 40 years in the United States Senate. He devoted himself to bringing home the bacon to Alaska, and by all accounts his pork-barreling was prodigiously successful. Americans regarded the geriatric senator — decades in office, gaming the system for ever more extravagant dollops of federal largesse, then proudly cutting the ribbons on projects named in his honour — as something of a noble figure. They resolutely re-elect such men for tenures that make most crowned heads seem transient.

So entrenched was Stevens that when he was defeated in the 2008 election it was regarded as a career prematurely cut short. Those who marinated in the Senate even longer than he did — Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd — were at least allowed the monarch’s privilege of dying in office. But Stevens was defeated by the slimmest of margins in 2008, having been convicted in a criminal trial just days before the election.

Stevens was convicted of something relatively minor but still criminal: making false statements on his Senate financial disclosure forms in relation to renovations on his Alaska home. The federal prosecutors — from the justice department’s public integrity section — claimed that Stevens knowingly underpaid for the renovations, rendering them an illegal gift or perhaps a bribe. Stevens was convicted on all counts and lost the 2008 election a week later by a margin of less than 1.5%. A 40 year career apparently had ended in disgrace.

Then in February 2009 an FBI whistle blower revealed that prosecutors had conspired to withhold exculpatory evidence from the defense and had falsified records. In particular, the prosecutors withheld testimony that the cost of the renovations was actually less than Stevens had paid. They also knew that the star witness was likely lying at trial when he said that a friend of Stevens had told him to ignore the senator’s request for an invoice.

It was a monstrous miscarriage of justice. Prosecutors at the highest levels of the justice department had deliberately conspired to convict a man who should never have been charged. It was a wrongful conviction, done with malice aforethought. Absent the whistle-blower, the prosecutors would have gotten away with it. Once it was revealed, the attorney general, Eric Holder, withdrew the charges, vacating the conviction. The presiding judge, Emmett Sullivan, called it the worst case of prosecutorial misconduct he had seen in 25 years on the bench and initiated a criminal contempt investigation of the responsible prosecutors.

Ted Stevens was one of most influential senators in Washington. He could not have been prosecuted without the approval of the most senior and experienced lawyers in the justice department. If America’s prosecutorial state could grind him up, then no one before American courts is safe from wrongful and malicious prosecution. Throwing innocent people in jail is not an anomaly in the American criminal justice system, but routine practice. Thanks to the whistle-blower we know what was done to Stevens. Imagine what is done daily to the human debris swept off America’s streets.

Prosecutors were no doubt eager to take down the giant of Alaska politics. Such a grand prize required more than the usual abuse of state power by the prosecutors, and Ted Stevens would have died this week a convicted felon, absent one FBI agent who was sufficiently disgusted to blow the whistle on his law enforcement colleagues. Stevens’ greatest legacy ought not be his artful manipulation of the appropriations system, but rather how his case exposed the top-to-bottom corruption of American criminal justice — a scandal that ought to shake the rotten system to its foundations.

When Stevens was convicted in 2008, both presidential candidates called for him to resign, as did many of his longtime Senate colleagues. To their shame, they believed the American criminal justice system to be credible. If it wasn’t evident before, the Stevens case has made clear that no one should ever be considered guilty solely because of a verdict in an American court. The abuse of prosecutorial and police power is so rampant that a guilty verdict means nothing in itself. No doubt guilty people are indeed convicted, but a person should not be considered guilty solely by reason of his conviction.

In Canada, we should not be smug. We have our own parade of wrongful convictions. Just this week the Ontario government announced niggardly compensation for parents who were wrongfully convicted of molesting and killing their own children. Here the overzealous prosecutors employed the false testimony of an incompetent pathologist. America’s shameful justice system should be a warning to us — it can happen here too.


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136 responses to “The Ted Stevens Revelation – The Connection To VECO, A US Justice System Manipulated, Barbadian Eric Holder To The Rescue”


  1. My explicit question for you to answer is:-
    How does a building specifically designed not to fall in on itself totally collapse.
    Not one, but two buildings designed to withstand multiple air strikes, as per the designer’s statements, and still they fall to the ground as if totally unsupported, 1,000,000’s of tons of concrete, people, furniture, carpets, desks, chairs, computers, pulverised to a pyroclastic cloud which bore shredded bone fragments hundreds of feet away onto roofs, still being discovered to this day.
    Collapse…ridiculous, …explosive force is necessary to shoot human fragments on to the neighbouring Amex building roof 300 yds away, were their remnants blown there, or were they squashed as a toothpaste tube by the pancaking floors.
    This is why we need an independent enquiry.
    No conspiracies involved, just how did this horror happen and how can we prevent it?
    Perhaps the answer lies in the fact there has been no FIAA investigation of the four airplane crashes on 9/11/01, for the first time ever.
    Sure makes you think? … or should do.


  2. @Straight talk: “How does a building specifically designed not to fall in on itself totally collapse.

    Because *no* building is designed to support the kinetic impulse the WTC towers experienced.

    @ST: “Not one, but two buildings designed to withstand multiple air strikes, as per the designer’s statements…

    Please support that statement (no joke intended).

    @ST: “…1,000,000′s of tons of concrete, people, furniture, carpets, desks, chairs, computers, pulverised to a pyroclastic cloud which bore shredded bone fragments hundreds of feet away onto roofs, still being discovered to this day.

    A tragedy — I will agree.

    But how natural is it to have that much weight (and I think your numbers might be a bit off) that far above the ground?

    The cowards who attacked the WTC didn’t need to plant explosives in the buildings. They were naturally unstable.

    They just needed to know where to “push”….


  3. I’ve just tried to retrieve a Youtube showing the 4×3 columns
    disintegrating to dust, but it has been withdrawn by Google.
    It was the ome with the water towers in the foreground
    http://www.youtube.com/index?ytsession=1zCmatnm092HkyY2-pZTeOe9Zx_Poa1QKm67OOXnB6drRIgM8prRSwp4Sv7K_0IIl_wmXTzU65I4PSE4BRHKqmKn-YWEw9uj7quBecCylPmx2L9kdvGzORY3yC5Ripo5j1Ypesq2iMd5usE-qbcGgt3Uf7goqtNtoA6AZh3iTojLejEFz0-qo4BYS__1PVNZyLb0vBDgqO2B0BD1YLrjBBUJeKCo9_vL78qQB2VTv-rSeqAa11-b_NUfiVdenrNe1NZ68j7xjo51SMDhNmuLpoilBzHOO-27G3Xq1CRuHs_19MgXAhgzgaWZCnFFdW0K8W-JoJGDHU2EJBokXw9IoVAvvBO5TRE_INm2vA7HmZslm0aFwE2bHQ.
    If anyone ( maybe Green Monkey) still has a hard copy please provide link to disprove this pancake collapse idiocy.


  4. @Straight talk: “Not one, but two buildings designed to withstand multiple air strikes, as per the designer’s statements…

    Further to my above… Please note that technically the Twin Towers *did* survive air-strikes — by almost fully fuelled airliners.

    They just didn’t survive the resulting fires….


  5. CH:
    You want to hear the WTC designer who died brfore 9/11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BZfUYRUkHg&feature=search
    I’ll find the lomger interview about miltiple stikes, if you doubt me

  6. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    David… no wonder my ears were ringing all day… and here I was thinking it was just a mild hangover. I here watching some uh Green Monkey videos now… I thought we had settled this 9/11 business already.


  7. Settled by Popular Mechanisations?
    Bring on your evidence MEM

  8. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    LOL ST… we covered all this before, but maybe something worthwhile can come out of a rehash if some lessons in critical thinking are included this time around. Let’s start with two of Green Monkey’s comments…

    “Perhaps MME can write a paper to set at ease the minds of the 1200+ engineers”

    Category: Fallacies of Relevance > Appeal to Authority

    Explanation: This fallacy occurs any time the sheer numbers of people who agree to something is used as a reason to get you to agree to it
    Comment: It doesn’t matter how many people join that website claiming to be ‘engineering and architectural professionals’.
    …………………………………….

    “We believe that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that the World Trade Center buildings #1 (North Tower), #2 (South Tower), and #7 (the 47 story high-rise across Vesey St.) were destroyed not by jet impact and fires but by controlled demolition with explosives.”

    Category: Fallacies of Evidence & Causality > Confirmation Bias

    Explanation: Confirmation bias occurs when we selectively notice or focus upon evidence which tends to support the things we already believe or want to be true while ignoring that evidence which would serve to disconfirm those beliefs or ideas.

    Comment: I have read some of the material and watched the videos at websites like ae911truth.org. I have read some of the material and links posted at websites like http://www.jod911.com. Having examined both sides of the issue, I have concluded that the two planes we all saw crash into the twin towers were the primary cause of the collapse. BAFBFP has alluded to one of the reasons I find claims of controlled demolition implausible. Elsewhere on BU I have given others. A simple investigation anyone can do for himself or herself, is to view a few close-up videos of controlled demolitions (there are several on YouTube) and then compare these to the close-up videos of the twin towers collapsing… the differences will be immediately evident.
    …………………………………………

    now for one of ST’s…

    “Still not explained to me why a paraffin heater doesn’t melt when lit, if kerosene does that to fireproofed 4 inch thick steel in under an hour”

    Category: Fallacies of Presumption > Straw Man

    Explanation: Occurs when we misrepresent an opponent’s position.

    Comment: Nice try ST, but have I ever suggested that the failure of the tower was in any way related to steel melting? These were total progressive collapses… by the way, where you and BT get this freefall story from… wunna watch the videos? LOL… the buildings took almost twice as long to fall as they would have under freefall conditions.


  9. Sadly man from East watch GP wipe out with pomp and ceremony on early thread… Not hear from GP for few weeks, now man from East get to watch MME wipe out too … gutifying no?

    By and way “vuvuzela” now proper English, part of English dictionary … Maybe small islands hold World Cup and get “wukup” and “blood clat” in diction too … no?


  10. Technicality aside, the big picture, irrespective of whether the planes or demlition may have caused the collapses, is who was behind the’incident’.

    Personally, I am still bemused by the lack of response to off-course airliners, multiple at that, from the military.

    Getting caught up i technalities, while certainly does bring an element of ‘hard-evidence’ and thus contribute to conclusion, can nevertheless lead one to be side-tracked from the big picture.

    As such, where was the airforce response? Where were the controls on runaway airliners, multiple?

    Face it, even a small turboprop could not enter US airspace without query, even before 9/11, you know that is true. So, how in heck could multiple planes go off-course and not be queried / responded to?

    THAT is my issue. From an outsiders view, it looks as if someone meddled in the response scenario.

    Who?


  11. Note too that without the planes hitting, the technicality on the collapse would be moot, as either there would have been a demolition or not.

    The big question or ‘trigger-point’ in the incident, wais the planes going off course in the first place. with no response.


  12. Ah ha … must ask, in absence of smoking gun… who had mean, opportunity, motive, previous history … then what about appropriateness of response … no?

  13. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Crusoe,

    IMHO you have highlighted the space in which the conspiracy theorists’ time would be better spent. The point you have made about leading “one to be side-tracked from the big picture” is one I have also made previously here on BU… ‘truth movements’ (not all, but those like the ones linked above) do a wonderful job of distracting masses from real issues… like gross government incompetence.

  14. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “Face it, even a small turboprop could not enter US airspace without query, even before 9/11, you know that is true. ”

    These planes did not “enter” US air space, they were hijacked while already in it. You put a lot more confidence in “air force response” than it deserves.


  15. @MME

    Are you not tired battling BT and ST?

    What you and Crusoe have dragged into this debate is the possibility of a massive manipulation of the US media. Even if there was some bungling by the authorities who marshall airspace why is the matter not being discussed in the US more; the land of the free?

  16. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    … I guess we have Hollywood to thank for that.

  17. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    My last comment related to Crusoe’s confidence in the US air force.

    David, I have no battle with BT and ST… I support them on many issues… my battle is with irrationality LOL


  18. Man MME how you could let ST draw you out into the open to be ambushed like this?

    The Bushman could forgive laymen for accepting that buildings of the class of WTC towers could be reduced to pulverized rubble in a few hours…… but for you, the great MME, to suggest such, is eye brow raising.
    Surely you know that there exists probably only 3 or 4 engineering firms worldwide, which have the technical demolition skills to reproduce what occurred on 911.

    Additionally, the number of coincident ‘coincidences’ must surely be beyond statistical reasonableness (although this seems not to phase you on the evolution question LOL)
    > The third building that fell – not having been ‘fuel soaked’
    >The owner giving instructions to ‘pull it’ before it fell
    > Its fall announced on TV in advance of falling.
    > No detailed Air Transport report on the planes that crashed
    > No engines found on the Pentagon site (Not AIRCRAFT engines)
    > Very limited surveillance video of the Pentagon ‘plane’ (due to seizure by FBI)
    > Military air cover removed from that sector for that day
    > President ‘conveniently’ out of town
    > Numerous high officials conveniently ‘not in office’ on that day in the towers..

    …etc etc
    Now if Observing were to advise us that the design of those towers were such that the collapse of 20 or so top floors would be sufficient to hammer the remaining floors into the pulverized state that we witnessed, then the Bushman would desist from the explosive demolition theory. After all, the compressed air escaping as floors collapsed may be quite explosive.

    HOWEVER, it will take MUCH more to explain:
    – why the rubble (evidence) was moved and disposed of within weeks without ANY serious analysis.
    – why the best air defense system that ever existed, failed to intercept EVEN ONE of those 4 planes
    – why the investigation was so secret and suspicious

    …..and why the whole thing smacks so much of ‘wag the dog’.


  19. @ MME
    Look at this video and honestly tell us what you think.
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c02_1195311838

  20. Opposition at Sea Avatar
    Opposition at Sea

    I guess that the tee shirts Mottley was planning to bring out are for tonight, what a sad and poor opposition leader choice.

    One could suggest that she will be advertising her own problem with her party and their concern with poor performance, her leadership has been anything less than stellar actually it has been poor, its hallmark so far has been the open and frank and for once honest comment of the former Prime Minister that she is unfit to lead, now who better to know how fit or unfit Mottley would be to lead but her very good Cabinet colleague and friend the former Prime Minister after all he had her molesting various ministries and even as his deputy so I think he would well know her other short comings in addition to her Moral shortfalls they are others that he is very aware of that must have marked her as unfit that he has not yet revealed to the public .

    Thus one bad term as Leader don’t deserve another either, their choices go from bad to worse but many even die hard BLP suggest that they will never vote for the BLP again with Mottley as the leader.

    Ms Boung on pun it, has been jumping on all things but is getting no results only frustrating herself and telling a series of lies and un truths, tell me have you seen those receiving their keys to their new homes do you see a look of anger or frustration on any of their faces ?

    What I see are happy Barbadian faces with a look of glee on their faces who have waited 14 in limbo and now 2 1/2 years into a new government they are owing their own homes a vast numbers.

    This is certainly a sign of a misspent Opposition to oppose the good that is being done for our Barbadian people as opposed to the good that was being done for Ted Stevens and his clan and Veco, Jonathan Danos or Danos 3 S, Steven Hobson, Hallam Nicholls who brought both VECO and DANOS to our shores and Glyne Bannister who has made millions out of the seat of a Mercedes vehicle, these guys with Mottley’s and Arthur’s help raped the Barbadian people of multi millions, shame on the leadership ( what leadership ) of the BLP.


  21. @ST

    Sorry I don’t have the video you were looking for, but I find this one is quite informative as well:

    Just to clarify a point about which there is still some confusion. The earlier theory advanced by the defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory in debunking articles (eg Popular Mechanics) and news reports and by the NIST investigators of “pancaking floors” has since been discounted by NIST (the officials investigators) itself as not valid. In the pancaking floors theory, the towers’ collapses are caused by floors dropping one on top of the other leading to a snowball effect as the weight got heavier and heavier and more floors gave away. So just so we are all on the same wavelength in that regard, there were no pancaking floors as per NIST.

    Unfortunately, the credentialed experts were wrong again. Until NIST’s final report came out in 2005, the “Pancake Theory” had replaced the column failure theory as the most widely accepted explanation for collapse. FEMA, along with a professor of Engineering from Northwestern, Zdenek Bazant, championed this theory of pancaking floors as the major explanation for the collapse of both towers, directly contradicting the Silverstein-Weidlinger report. This was strange, considering many of the same experts were involved in both the FEMA and Weidlinger investigations, including Gene Corley.

    Amazingly enough, just last summer NIST finally admitted that the explanation could not involve pancaking floors either, by saying “NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse”.[13]

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5071

    Apparently in the case of the two towers, the theory is now that somehow the top floors of the building above the aircraft impact zone suddenly dropped a few stories, impacted the floor underneath, and acted as a pile driver on the lower structure causing the whole lower structure to give way underneath it.

    That is what the David Chandler video I posted from reprehensor’s youtube page was all about. Chandler used some software to measure the acceleration of the collapsing roofline of the top section of building 2 and noted that it underwent constant acceleration. Theoretically, as per Newton’s laws of motion, there should have been a decrease in acceleration as the top section impacted the lower section below, if it did indeed act as a pile driver on the structure below. That was not observed up until the roofline had fallen a distance comparable to it’s entire height and disappeared behind a cloud of smoke.

    The Chandler video also shows the destruction of a multi-story building in France where the supporting structure in a few stories at the middle of the building is removed (by I believe by hydraulic rams) and then the top floors of the building collapse on and destroy the lower floors as they themselves, (as per Newton’s Laws of Motion) are destroyed in the process. This process is apparently now what is alleged to have happened with the WTC towers.

    With the French demolition, in comparison to the WTC2 video, the software tool showed a marked decrease in the acceleration and then a decrease in velocity as the top half of the building impacted the bottom as some of the energy in the fall was absorbed in destroying the structure underneath.

    Also, as Chandler remarked, the video shows the top section of the building (the pile driver so to speak) was simultaneously being destroyed along with the lower section as a result of the “to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” part of Newton’s laws. That is why the structure was destroyed at the middle of the building to initiate the collapse. The mass at the top equaled the mass at the bottom and therefore the two masses neatly destroyed themselves.

    Now in terms of the WTC tower, that meant as the 10 story top section was pile driving the lower section it would have been in the process destroying itself as well. As the process went on, as per Newton again, the process would have come to a halt when the top block destroyed a mass equivalent to its own originating mass (roughly 10 stories) in the lower part of the building and the top block itself was also destroyed. Unless, of course, there were other forces at work removing the lower (and heavier built) structure below.

    See the videos:
    Downward acceleration of the North Tower

    What a gravity driven collapse looks like

    The NIST theory of collapse, as well as requiring a suspension of Newton’s Laws of Motion, is unable to account for the presence of residues of a very modern and high tech explosive known as nano-thermite in the dust from the destruction of the WTC buildings which spread all over Manhattan on 9/11. The discovery of nano-thermite is explained in this peer reviewed article at The Open Chemical Physics Journal: http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

    The official NIST theory is also unable to account for the presence of extremely high heat at the WTC site even days after the collapses. This heat was much higher than you can obtain by hydrocarbon based fires.

    In more than 100 steel-framed, high-rise fires (most of them very hot, very large and very long-lasting), not one has collapsed, ever. So it behooves all of us, as your own former chief of NIST’s Fire Science Division, Dr. James Quintiere, said, “to look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of these collapses.”

    Let’s start with temperatures – 1,340° F. temperatures, recorded in thermal images of the surface of the World Trade Center rubble pile a week after 9/11 by NASA’s AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights. Such temperatures cannot be achieved by oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires. Such fires burn at only 600 to 800° F. Remember, there was no fire on the top of the pile. The source of this incredible heat was therefore below the surface of the rubble, where it must have been far hotter than 1,340 degrees.

    Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who was hired for the Building 7 cleanup, said that “molten steel was found at 7 WTC.” Leslie Robertson, World Trade Center structural engineer, stated that on October 5, “21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” Fire department personnel, recorded on video, reported seeing “molten steel running down the channel rails… like you’re in a foundry – like lava from a volcano.” Joe O’Toole, a Bronx firefighter, saw a crane lifting a steel beam vertically from deep within a pile. He said “it was dripping from the molten steel.” Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save “relics from the rubble,” stated about the multi-ton “meteorite” that it was a “fused element of molten steel and concrete.”

    The knowledge that this evidence even exists was denied by one of your top engineers, John Gross, in his appearance at the University of Texas in April of this year.

    Steel melts at about 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit, about twice the temperature of the World Trade Center Tower 1 and 2 fires as estimated by NIST. So what melted the steel?

    Appendix C of FEMA’s BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting. A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this “the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.”

    NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why? Because it didn’t fit in with the official conspiracy theory.

    http://www2.ae911truth.org/info/24

  22. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    ROFL BT… watched your video… fuzzy pixelation?!? What we thought were planes were actually tomahawk missiles with digitally enhanced wings?!? LOL
    Man BT… I know you have to be joking now.


  23. Here’s a Youtube video showing NIST lead engineer on the WTC collapses, John Goss, denying that he knew of any reports of excessively high temperatures in the WTC rubble and then the video shows the reports from first responders and others of of high temperatures, molten steel etc. (including a snip showing the lump of molten concrete fused with steel).

    Watch what a slimeball Goss is. First he denies that there were any reports of molten steel or excessively high temperatures in the rubble. Then the questioner refers him to some NASA satellite images showing these high temperatures existed from NASA’s own satellite temperature readings. Goss says, OK, can you email them to me? Which the guy agrees to do. However at the end of the talk when he approaches Goss to get his email address, Goss refuses to give it to him.

  24. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Green Monkey,

    Here is your molten steel rubbish debunked…

    http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm


  25. MME:
    to rejoin the fray as per your comment
    “IMHO you have highlighted the space in which the conspiracy theorists’ time would be better spent. The point you have made about leading “one to be side-tracked from the big picture” is one I have also made previously here on BU… ‘truth movements’ (not all, but those like the ones linked above) do a wonderful job of distracting masses from real issues… like gross government incompetence.”

    Aside from the fact that destroyed WTC7 housed the Enron investigation paperwork, and September 10th 2001 was the date that Donald Rumsfeld announced the trillion dollar black hole in the Pentagon’s accounting. Can you give me a credible explanation as to why Cheney in his newly designated position of Defense Co-ordinator gave permission for the semi- auto AA missiles ringing the most defended building on earth to be neutralised, allowing the Pentagon attack to take place, looping around the building as a jet fightervand striking the actual audit office investigating this shortfall?
    See Transport Secretary Norman Minetta’s testimony to the enquiry.


  26. @ MME
    What pixels what??!!
    ….How about the lack of any aircraft debris at the various crash sites – including the one that crashed into the ground?

    How about the entry hole in the pentagon not matching an aircraft – and where did the engine and other hard debris go?

    Do you know that the tail number of one of the down flights matches an aircraft that had been decommissioned years before?

    Give it up MME

  27. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    “In the late 70’s the Labour Prime Minister(Tom Adams) wanted to pretend that an international small arms broker and MI6 agent, Sydney Burnett-Alleyne, planned to invade the country and my QC brought up a bill in parliament to try Burnett-Alleyne for treason. The number of weapons, which the Martinique government listed in whose waters Alleyne was arrested could not have taken over a well-armed house so The BarbadosLabour Party lied. They did not think that they would win another election and had to have some one to oppose so they built the Alleyne story with the intention to declare a state of emergency.”


  28. Bushie man:

    Whilst researching this subject two years ago, i bookmarked several You tube vids of smoking guns.
    Now on checking my archive of bookmarks they seem all to be have removed by Google as they contravened their terms of use policy.
    One which I will try to recover from other sources show a scar in the ground at Shanksville taken by the US Geographical Survey, some time in the 1940s.
    As luck would have it Flight 77 plopped straight into the very same scar with no appreciable debris.
    What a coincidence, trillions to one I suppose, but hey strange things happen when there are billions at stake.
    I’ll post it when I find it elsewhere.


  29. My intelligent agent acting on best information available inform that Comrade Osama had many option to blow including Statue of woman, four head sculpture in cliff face, Wellow stone etcetera, but decided to go for most bang for buck. My intelligent agent claim that Comrade KNEW that building will fall dramatically, even though building built to withstand hurricane wind and space ship collision… Comade and MME KNEW what no one else in world knew and result in BIG fight with lieutenant who thought that just exploding plane in building waste of good plan, no drama… Comrade Osama, engineer like MME, trained in same University prove right … Maybe Comrade acted on tip off … no? Maybe MME involved with plan … no?


  30. CCC

    You have explained great mistery. My intelligent agent inform that Comrade Sydney was imprisonated for many year … no? What was final outcome of case?


  31. LOL at BAFBFP
    Maybe MME involved with plan … no?
    ***********************************
    ….maybe MME is Osama bin Laden
    ROTFL
    Ha ha aha
    muh belly!!


  32. Seriously though, Bushman REALLY admires MME. The man is BRIGHT!! …. however,

    MME suffers from a very serious and common shortcoming …… (as does our host BU David.)

    …He (they) thinks that the world is an intrinsically good place, with a few bad apples scattered around the place; that our societies are run by fairly intelligent people who actually understand what they are doing and who have a plan.

    Hell, MME probably thinks that courts are there to dispense justice; that the role of police is to prevent crime; and that doctors are focused on promoting health and healing the sick.

    HA HA HA LOL
    No wonder MME is such an optimist and so willing to believe the official story about 911, evolution and even BP.

    Man MME, you and David need to wake up and smell the evil….


  33. @Bushman

    You may scoff and mock all you want at MME and yours truly (stated with all the indignation we can muster with a straight face) but there is something to be said about being eternally optimistic. Some may go as far to suggest it is the fuel for the indomitable spirit which propels humankind’s existence.

  34. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    BAFBFP
    I am not sure right now.

    The reason why I posted that excert was to show how the Barbados Labour Party lied to and manipulated the voters of Barbados into to voting them back into office. Without this Sydney Burnett-Alleyne invasion lie they would have been removed by the electorate from office. But a sympthy vote keep them in office. They did poorly in their first term in office, I think that it was from 1976 onwards. Remember that the Democratic Labour Party had been in office for three terms and did a masterful job. The Barbados Labour Party was considered at that time as second rate.

    When Burnett-Alleyne was intercepted in the Waters off Martinque he had with him about two .22 pistols and a .38.


  35. Bushman

    No no this not optimism, my intelligent agent acting on best information available inform that David Jewish and MME ex-Brethren … Not very likely to challenge status West establish status quo …no?


  36. @ David,
    there is something to be said about being eternally optimistic.
    ********************************************
    Yes David, optimism is the stuff that motivates sheep right up until the point where they become steak.

    Pessimists always expects the worse,( especially conspiracy theories LOL,) so we are never caught off guard and are often pleasantly surprised to have been wrong.


  37. Didnt know that sheep meat was called steak. But they say you learn something every day. That probably includes some error, I guess.


  38. “How about the entry hole in the pentagon not matching an aircraft ”

    And you know this how?


  39. @ Meat Eater
    Bushmen don’t eat meat and don’t know or care what it is called. Accept my apology if you have a problem with ‘lamb steak’, but hey… Bushie needs to learn too….

    @ Not Saved
    Where you now surface from? …there are some topics that are sure to get your attention LOL
    ….actually the Bushman was expecting you to surface earlier when we were on the rate of collapse of the WTC towers….

    Before we get to the Pentagon hole, – don’t you owe the Bushman an apology for scoffing and ridiculing the ‘BOP on BOP’ solution which I advised early in the Gulf oil spill as the only workable solution?
    MME was man enough to apologize (although with so many provisos that the apology got lost LOL) so what you going do NS?


  40. I do not recall ridiculing your solution.

    I recall ridiculing your conspiracy theory that BP were deliberately keeping the well flowing.

    Help my memory if necessary.


  41. @ NS
    Man you going make this difficult too? It don’t matter what you recall – point is you hurt the bushman’s feelings – and now being stingy with an apology.

    …so if BT could see the solution so early, you don’t think that BP could have too…? And the fact that they only applied it after months of flowing oil – and only after the US Government practically declared war on them- does NOT suggest to you that they DELIBERATELY kept the oil flowing……?
    ….or are you saying that BT is unusually brilliant and was able to work out in a matter of minutes, what took BP months to figure out….? LOL rotflans

    Man just say ‘sorry’ and let us deal with the Pentagon nuh….


  42. You must try Taiwanese steak or Tibetan steak … really velly good … We used to get Tiananmen steak but that only last few months, young and tender … lovely no?


  43. How can I apologise for something I did not do?

    I did not ridicule your solution so how could you have had your feelings hurt?

    But you still claim that BP deliberately kept the oil flowing for months? Why did they do this?


  44. MME, where is this “apology”?

  45. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “He (they) thinks that the world is an intrinsically good place, with a few bad apples scattered around the place”

    Not at all BT… I acknowledge there is much evil in the world…. BUT two valuable tools we have for navigating the perils of Phase 1 are diligence and reason… we won’t get very far with the compasses of conjecture and fear.

    “optimism is the stuff that motivates sheep right up until the point where they become steak”

    LOL… good one, but I think your analogy is misplaced. My comments were based on sound analysis of the evidence, not blind optimism. “An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be”

    “it is the fuel for the indomitable spirit which propels humankind’s existence”

    whuloss David… man dah one so hard you had BT talking bout sheep steak LOL… anytime you see de Bushman resorting to his goat farm analogies you know you got him on de back foot 🙂


  46. BT,

    Was BOP on BOP the final solution?


  47. But lets get back to the pentagon, how do you know the “hole” does not “match”?

  48. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Man NS… I don’t know what apology BT talking about. I told him that the BOP on BOP solution turned out to be a good call.

  49. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    …the final solution (relief well) is scheduled for completion this week.


  50. @ NS
    How many of your teachers, family and friends have you driven to the mental with these never-ending questions of yours?
    “and you know this how?”
    “why did they do this”
    “why do you believe this”
    “where did you get that…”

    ….Man forget the apology!!

    Here is some of your own medicine-

    What do you think is the likelihood of three inexperienced pilots who had only recently learned to fly small planes, being able to pilot three jumbo jets into three target buildings in NY on their first try -and to score direct pinpoint hits on each building?

    What do you know about the accuracy of cruise missiles?

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