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Dr. Don Marshall, Senior Fellow, UWI Cave Hill
Dr. Don Marshall, Senior Fellow, UWI Cave Hill

There comes a time in the affairs of man when he must take the bull by the tail and face the situation – W. C. Fields

The recent downgrade in the outlook of Barbados investment paper by Standards & Poors given our  BBB  rating continues to generate much debate in Barbados. What seems to be fuelling the debate even more is the hint that a downgrade to our investment grade maybe around the corner given the rapid rate Barbados continues to accumulate debt. Barbadians have become alarmed at the prospect of having its investment paper perched at the brink of junk rating, a status most unfamiliar to Barbadians through the years. The fallout from attracting low credit rating by the credit rating agencies is the high cost to borrow if Barbados needs to float bonds in the capital markets.

Isn’t it ironic the current financial crisis which precipitated the global recession and led developing countries like Barbados to go enter an economic tailspin would have to suffer the penalty of credit rating downgrades by agencies which played a part to begin with?  BU rejects the explanation by Professor Dr. Avinash Persaud that the credit rating agencies failed when rating structured products and not country ratings. How can one excuse the model for one area of their business over the next?

Dr. Avinash D. Persaud, Chairman of Intelligence Capital Ltd

The current debate from the academics has tossed out some interesting takeaways for John Citizen. In one corner we have the world renown Barbadian Professor Dr. Avinash Persaud who believes the imminent downgrade of Barbados investment paper to junk status will be disastrous and must be avoided at all cost. In the other corner we have the homegrown Senior Fellow at UWI Sir Arthur Lewis Institute Dr. Don Marshall who believes Barbados should seize the opportunity to find creative ways to reduce government spending and enable the environment to encourage entrepreneurial projects to lead growth by expanding exports. He has been very bold by suggesting the Barbados Defence Force should be bastardized to support the police recruitment drive to benefit from opportunity cost savings.

BU is on the side of Dr. Don Marshall. Interestingly we are about to celebrate our 43 year of independence and Dr. Marshall has been strident in advocating the dismantlement of the Barrow (Father of Independence) model which has served us well. The billions of dollars which Barbados has invested in our people in the post-independence period now has to spew forth results. It is crunch time! In makes no sense boasting of how Barbados has used education to enfranchise its people but we continue to build out an economy based on mendicancy i.e. tourism and foreign direct investment

It seems the opposition party remains fixed on sucking political mileage from the defensive economic position the government finds itself. The political polarization in Barbados makes it mandatory that both political parties demonstrate leadership to bring the country together now more than ever to generate ideas. What better time than in the month of November to do it.


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114 responses to “It Is Crunch Time”

  1. Living in Barbados Avatar
    Living in Barbados

    @ Anonymous // November 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM “Dennis jones just went on Starcom’s ‘Tell it like it is and talk a pile of jobby.

    Nobody at all listening to he nor avinash persaud except VOB.” [Unless I cannot understand English, and judging by a few calls I just got, someone was listening, other than VOB, including you. So, it’s nice to know that the audience is alive and kicking.]


  2. Barbados has not become one of the leading developing countries by following the status quo.
    All those who want Barbados to follow a model which makes us a slave to the world’s financial agencies need to keep their advice.

  3. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    I am wondering what the Barbados Labour Party and it’s operatives will do when the Barbados economy does collapse by now and the end of the year?

    Persaud, Mia and Dennis Jones will be so disappointed.

  4. Living in Barbados Avatar
    Living in Barbados

    @David, “Barbados has not become one of the leading developing countries by following the status quo.
    All those who want Barbados to follow a model which makes us a slave to the world’s financial agencies need to keep their advice.” sounds great but what does it mean? Who but you has introduced an extreme notion such as ‘enslavement’, literal or metaphorical? You may have an empty room if you are looking for those who ascribe to your notion. Then, like Pancho Villa tilting at windmills, what will you be opposing?

    But let’s get Barbados into perspective.

    Barbados has about half of its government debt owned to foreigners or in foreign currency. Those lenders are reassured by knowing what financial agencies think of Barbados and by the fact that the country has a record of good debt service.

    A substantial amount of Barbados’ investments are financed by foreign direct investment. Those investors also depended on knowing what financial agencies think of Barbados, as well as their own project specific assessments or general economic appraisals. They depend on financial agencies certifying that banks in Barbados are alright to deal with.

    Barbados imports more goods than it exports and that is possible become foreign suppliers and their creditors believe that Barbados is a good credit risk, which is determined by another set of financial agencies.

    The relative ease with which Barbados has been able to finance the developments that have allowed it to reach where it is is a reflection of good economic stewardship and a willingness to work within the status quo international financial systems. It has not been some kind of maverick country, and it has followed the good examples of many countries, so is very much part of the status quo. Had you started with ‘Cuba’ I would have understood.

    Barbados also has reserves to cover about 4 months of imports. That’s viewed as ‘comfortable’ because most other flows from abroad, while lower, have not dried up. But Barbados cannot stand alone for very long with only 16 weeks of reserves.


  5. Dennis Jones/living in Barbados

    Who were the few calls you got after your contribution on VOB this evening?

    Avinash persaud,mia mottley and the BLP crew?

    He,he,he.


  6. Barbados has about half of its government debt owned to foreigners or in foreign currency? Is this true? or no one really reads what the Jamaican LIB says, and do not care to comment?


  7. It seems to me that Jamaica is missing a clown for the circus, why not return to the troupe Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)?

    If you think so much of yourself why not provide your valued advice to the country from which you came Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)?


  8. @DJakaLIB………Can anything good come out of Bretton Woods? You obviously will defend such institutions because of your affiliation and your staples, but ask those countries whose economies have been ruined by them exactly what they think of them?

    The Europeans only became powerhouses because of their contact with Africa. And we little peon states idolise these same crooks and criminals, emulating their every system even after they raped and pillaged us.

    Capitalism as a system is bound to fail and that means that people like you will no longer have anyone to pimp.

    It would serve Black nations well to sever all ties with these bloodsuckers and form their own institutions. But then again, seeing your mindset you would not understand that.

    Oma akwu-kwo iyi, ima-ari ihe iyi ma!

  9. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Adrian Hinds: “Barbados has about half of its government debt owned to foreigners or in foreign currency? Is this true?” [Having posed the question, I would have expected confirmation or correction. But feel free to see the source I used, Barbados 2009 IMF Article IV consultation, http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2009/cr09291.pdf). That shows external debt at 50% of GDP (p30), and public sector debt at 115% of GDP (p28).]

  10. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Hopi, stating that “The Europeans only became powerhouses because of their contact with Africa.” is not correct. Europe had been amassing power well before it had contact with Africa, part of that was by exploitation of states within Europe itself, part was from exploitation what we now call the Middle East and the Mediterranean, and part was from exploitation in Asia. Different European powers gained more from different exploitation.

    If capitalism fails will be no surprise and nothing lasts forever. But, it has weathered many a storm, and other systems that promised to replace it have not.

    But, who said that I am a capitalist? But even if I were who around you is not. I need not quote Proudhon that ‘property is theft’.

    Non-capitalists have been might exploiters too, so maybe we have a basic human weakness to contend with.

  11. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @ Wishing In Vain // November 17, 2009 at 10:34 PM I actually do not think that much of myself. I let others judge.

    It’s so interesting that the thread of discussions get lost in searches for personalisation when the going gets tough and substantiation is sought. Does that give a hint at why problem solving is a such problem here? The fox should never forget to keep chasing the rabbit and not get distracted by what wafts in the air.


  12. @DJ
    Europe had been amassing what wealth? They were fighting among themselves for the scrapings they had using piracy as a means of relieving one another of the wealth they had.

    You had monarchs paying explorers to go and find wealth because they had none but still had to find the money t pay their soldiers and keep a standing army to secure the monarchy; The taxes were just not enough and you know that too. There was always this dream of untold riches throughout the history of Europe prior to the invasion of Africa and the Americas.

    You had Germany and Russia at one another throats like savages and a bunch of warlords ambushing people to steal their wealth for their leaders. What wealth what?

    Sometimes I have to wonder where you come from and if you actually could sleep well at night. Might I suggest that if you do, it means you have no conscience.

    Come on Denis man, you know that what you say could never be possible. What wealth what!


  13. Dennis Jones … What a lucky man!

    The IMF pays his bills, his wife has a cushy job and he spends his time eating food, chatting nuff rubbish with an affected British accent, enjoying sweet Barbados and trashing Barbados.

    Why doesn’t the DLP government notice him? That’s the advice of one of his IMF colleagues who described him as, “a publicist!”

    Is that all? I asked.

    She said, “Yes!”


  14. @ DJ

    “But, it has weathered many a storm, and other systems that promised to replace it have not.”

    Come on Denis. Stealing has weathered the storm. Fraud has weathered the storm and can be found in every corrupt society.

    Ignorance too has weathered the storm; prostitution, rape, drug abuse, etc. These are the things that have really weathered the storm and capitalism was constructed to facilitate them. So, yes, I agree but I am not putting it down to human weaknesses. I have to put it down to the white man weaknesses which he has perpetrated. One bad boy in the school don’t make the whole school bad.

    As far back as the Romans and the Greeks, standing armies have been the headache for empires. Hear what they said? “An army marches upon its belly.” It speaks to the cost of paying the men which do not go away even if the men are idle. Why you think Errol Barrow called the Civil Service “An ‘Army’ of Occupation”? Takes up the biggest chunk every month and don’t produce enough.

    Now you show me what wealth the Europeans got from Asia and the Middle East? There was no oil then. If it was so much why did they run and leave it when they found Africa? Why are they back in the Middle East now? Which by the way is Africa.

    Europe was in a dilemma. The more lands they conquered the more they had to put out to keep them, the more they taxed the people they invaded. Where was the wealth? Give an idea of how much it was as opposed to how much they got out of Africa? There is no doubt that Africa sealed the deal. I am calling for you to provide facts for your assertions. Let’s see if problem solving is a problem for you too and not simply here (we Bajans).


  15. @ROK,

    I’m not sure where you start your history of Europe. Mine starts from at least the Roman and Hellenic Empires, and took in the Ottoman. All major wealth accumulation needs to exploit resources from outside at some stage, however, you get them.

    Your comments indicate that whatever systems have been in place most have had major negatives and exploitation. It’s ironic that the latest Transparency International Corruption Perception Index has most (130 of 180) countries graded as perceived to be corrupt (ie the score less than 5 on a scale of 1-10). So the absence of corruption is the norm.

    The Soviet Union was rampant with corruption.

    Unless you are using an odd map, the Middle East is not Africa.

    Asia provided commodities at different times (tea, rubber, minerals, for instance). The Middle East did not provide much by way of tangible resources before oil, but provided important access, so control of that space was important for expansion.


  16. Was not both sides of the Red Sea considered Africa and dominated by the Sumerians and the Egyptians after them? The Middle East is a modern political divide and it was only after the fall of the Egyptian Dynasties that this area was dominated by these different racial groups. True, it continues to be a strategic location and was a very strategic part of the Egyptian Empire. Places like Jordan etc. were considered part of Africa and even now, Egypt is now part of the Middle East and is at least one-third of the territory referred to as the Middle East and the entire thing is the same territory that was once referred to as part and parcel of the core of the Egyptian Empire. The old books will tell you that Egypt was born between there and the Nile Valley

    If I am wrong, I am willing to concede. Check the old texts and tell me if my interpretation is wrong.


  17. Spangy
    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/spangy/
    Construction
    Destruction
    Eruption
    Version
    Ishen
    We need a revolution
    Tribulation
    Action
    Vibration
    To solve this situation
    Creation
    To stop this frustration
    All nation

  18. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Veritas, let’s try to look at what you are trying to say and not feel that we are still in some school play ground looking for balloons to burst or a school bag into which we can pour honey.

    I presume that you will also take issue with the arrangements made for the PM, and Barbados’ Ambassador to China, for example and their spouses. To stay on topic, if the spouses paid for themselves there could be substantial savings for the budget. I’ll let you make the suggestion to your political representative or to the PM/Finance Minister himself and get due credit.

    I presume that all the diplomatic and representational persons (private and public sector) posted in Barbados (or if we really want to go full out, any where in the world) will also be in for your tongue lashing. If not why not?

    I guess when I was posted abroad I should have made sure that my spouse paid her own expenses. That would have been very wholesome.

    Let’s think about opinions. I just had a conversation with someone who says that they know you and that of all the people in the world that they have ever met…I wont finish. But really.

  19. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @ROK, Anonymous // November 18, 2009 at 8:13 AM was me, if it’s not apparent.

    “Was not both sides of the Red Sea considered Africa and dominated by the Sumerians and the Egyptians after them?” [I’ve always understood the Red Sea to be the divide between Africa and Asia, and for me Africa was always a continuous space (apart from its northern connection by Egypt and the associated islands that are now considered part of Africa). If you want to include those lands that fringe the Red Sea (say Syria and Jordan) that would not bother me, as far as the general argument goes; but not all of the space to the east of the Red Sea (such as Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia).]

    We can take this up off thread if you want, as we are drifting off topic to my mind.


  20. @LIBakaDJ…………………You need a History lesson in Geography and an Economics lesson in History.

    Before there was any region called the Middle East it was ALL AFRICA populated by AFRICANS! The A-rabs, the Jewish ones and the in-betweens are all Johnnies-come-lately.

    And like I said before the Europeans empires would be NOTHING [not that they are] today without AFRICA!

    On all the other moral issues, ROK has answered you well.

    Oma akwu-kwo iyi, ima-ari ihe iyi ma!


  21. As a matter of fact, the wealth they found in Africa was so vast that peace reigned everywhere else and the misery of the African peoples began. Let’s not talk about the cold war or the world wars before that because those can be described as rival gangs fighting for the ill-gotten spoils of Africa.

  22. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Hopi, as we are all using the words and observations of many generations before, we cannot prove anything. But I would concede if you show us two independent sources that says/demonstrate that all of what is now deemed the Middle East was once called or deemed Africa. That would be a history and geography lesson not just for my benefit. If not, I will hold my view. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

    I’m not sure what moral lessons ROK has given. But here’s a take. If Europe was taxing people increasingly as he indicated was the case what was being taxed? It could not have been a source of income/assets that was not growing. Wealth is the accumulation of assets. You cannot tax what is not there.

  23. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @ROK, Africa was a stop along the route of exploiting, not its origin, nor its end. People of European origins have also tried to exploit the sea and space, to varying degrees. Asians too have had their exploitative phases (and now also getting their feet stuck into Africa), as too have those whom we can agree are Africans (Moors), who also took their place exploiting Europe. I would not wish to leave them out as their marks are still very visible, though different. Were the Europeans better at the exploitation game? You all seem to think so. I dont share your admiration.


  24. here’s a nice european american and african american
    film about equality
    http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMRtuxjHBmi4

    Description:

    Kunta Kinte (LeVar Burton) gets bullwhipped after running away. He is also forced to accept his new name, Toby


  25. @DJ
    I see that you have a warped sense of this thing. If you agree that there is nowhere else on earth where there is the abundance of wealth to match Africa, then to talk about Asians and the Moors is moot. Who went into Africa first? Who started the idea of ownership which is central to capitalism?

    You cannot deny that this focus on personal riches and wealth is a white thing… and that this quest for wealth has cause untold untold evils to be inflicted on humanity?

    You remember there was a jet-ski culture on the West Coast? I saw it transferred to the ZR culture. Well let me tell you something, one man started all that and because of his greed, everybody started acting like him because he constantly did it. Crack cocaine was driving him.

    For example, an operator would have some tourists who would say yes and while that operator is off getting his skiis, this man would move in on them and they would take the ski from him, thinking he was sent by the original operator and of course he took the money from the tourist for their rides, so by the time the other operator comes back, this man got all the money for all the rides for that group, leaving the man who sold the rides to them out of bread.

    One man! And I was there to witness it with my 2 eyes. Today we complaining about the ZR culture still; the legacy of that culture that started on the beaches of the West Coast with one man; a paro.

  26. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    ROK, I wont accept that my view is warped; different maybe. Having just spent the weekend in the Belizean jungle and listened again to accounts of Mayan history I will not let you give white European credit for notions of ownership that you say are central to capitalism. From what I heard, the Mayans had their value and ownership system that was very different and very sophisticated. My memory on Incan history is rusty, but I remember there were many similarities.

    “You cannot deny that this focus on personal riches and wealth is a white thing… and that this quest for wealth has cause untold untold evils to be inflicted on humanity?” [Yes I can. See above. The Mayans and Incas had human sacrifices before they encountered any Europeans. Europeans tried to use and exploit what they found where ever they went. We know that Caribs and Arawaks did likewise way before any contact with Europeans. We know Egyptians accumulated wealth and possessions; so too did the Mayans/Incas, etc. We also know that such practices were evident in human societies in Africa and Asia before Europeans. So, why do you want to load all of the ‘kudos’ on Europeans?]

    The jet ski/ZR discussion is just about greed and I remember reading about that in the Bible. Isn’t avarice a deadly sin?


  27. @DJ
    “Africa was a stop along the route of exploiting…”

    Nonsense. After 400 years and they have not moved on, it cannot be a mere stop along the route, like a harbour or an oasis or an overnight motel. They have grown roots right into the ground and sent it people asunder; all for riches. We are the only people to suffer this in this extreme.

    You know what I want to tell you? the depth and totality of our suffering is directly proportional to the wealth they stealing from Africa; even as we speak. Our suffering will only end they day they think that Africa is totally plundered. Then it will be more mass murders, this time in the diaspora and done by the whitey authorities.


  28. @DJ

    You commenting for comment sake? Man the concept of personal ownership came directly from Whitey. You mixing up things? I don’t believe it.

    The Mayans never had a system of personal ownership. They had communities, zones, etc. and yes the notion of sovereignty which is far different, without any comparison whatsoever, to the notion of ownership.

    If there were notions of ownership then there would also have been notions of market value. That a man could trade his land for profit. No such thing existed in the Mayan or Inca society. people took what they wanted and did not try the to own his neighbours land.

    You have my belly feeling nauseated with that talk about sacrifice. That had to do with religion. Where did the So-called South American Indians plunder? There was a lot of synergy and communication between the Incas and the Mayans.

    Furthermore, there is evidence that they used to trade with Africans long before the Europeans came. Where was the hostility except in the stories told by the white man himself to try to justify his crimes against humanity? If they were so hostile, do you think a handful of white men could have taken them like that? They would not even have been able to land foot on South America. Those stories do not match the evidence. It was the white man’s plagues and sickness that took out the Indians and when the Indians were too sick to fight and had dwindled in population, the white man finished licking the stuffings out of them, with monks bearing crosses.


  29. @DJ
    “The jet ski/ZR discussion is just about greed and I remember reading about that in the Bible. Isn’t avarice a deadly sin?”

    Yes please. The first bit of evidence to back up my point. Obviously, the white man either did not read that part or choose to ignore it.

    Let me explain that the bible as you call it embodies all the principles of law and society that came out of Egypt. Therefore, if “avarice and greed” were against the law, it means that they were not allowed in the society.

    This further means that such things as ownership and usury were unknown in those societies. Up to today, the US and Canada are still paying reparations to the Indians. This in itself is evidence and admission of “thiefery”. If the Indians practiced ownership, then there is no way that for a few crates of whiskey they could take over all the land of the peoples of the First Nation of the Americas and all like now there would be no need for reparations.

    Wheel and come again. You like a lot of long talk.

  30. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @ROK, you’re free to keep your view, and I am free to have mine.

    “If there were notions of ownership then there would also have been notions of market value. That a man could trade his land for profit. No such thing existed in the Mayan or Inca society.” [Not so. Mayans used chocolate for currency. I can put you in touch with my Mayan descended guide if you like. He’s the source.]

    You say “You have my belly feeling nauseated with that talk about sacrifice. That had to do with religion. Where did the So-called South American Indians plunder?” [So, killing the best of your society for a set of religious beliefs that deemed that the living would then get a straight passage to heaven is ok, but plunder is not? Hmm.]

    Disease and contact with Europeans did kill off some/many races, but was not the sole or main reason for their demise. They Mayans did what the Malagasy are doing now, which is to chop down their forests ( (70% deforestation in 2 decades, I recall, in Madagascar), and then end up with an eco system that could not produce food.

    On your references to the Bible (not as I call it, mon frere). The fact that something was banned or deemed bad means that the society did not like it, not that it did not exist. As with charging interest in Islamic culture, it is not the same to forbid something as to deny its existence. Otherwise we could easily eradicate sin with edicts.

    It’s a fabulous debate and maybe you can invite me onto BANGO TV and we can argue all day. I now move to other things, on this thread but am glad to take this up by e-mail (it’s on my blog) or over a civilized plate of non-European dishes and cactus wine.

    I’m not sure if your saying that I like long talk is a complement or a criticism. Should we do a comparative word count?


  31. @DJ

    “Mayans used chocolate for currency.”

    I take it they used chocolate to buy land? Like how the Indians sold land for whiskey?

    “So, killing the best of your society for a set of religious beliefs that deemed that the living would then get a straight passage to heaven is ok, but plunder is not? Hmm.”

    I take it that you condone plundering.

    Sorry, but I not going out of my way to discuss this with you. If you come on BANGO TV it would have to be with a Jamaican accent. I know many Jamaicans that less bright than you and Bajans does understand them.

  32. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @ROK, really my last word, so you and anyone else can have full reign after this.

    I do not condone plunder but I do value human life above all other things.

    The Mayans were using chocolate for exchanges before any Europeans arrived.

    I have no problem speaking with a Jamaican accent (not sure what the brightness point is supposed to mean), if you think it will make for better TV. I’ll start practising now, but if I am misunderstood then I can blame someone else for asking me to comply with their wishes.

    Let me know if you want to meet the Belizean guide (he’s certified so I take that to mean something). He can show you a lot of interesting Mayan stuff deep in the jungles and in the caves.

    You may not see it the same way but your arguments about Europeans is putting them on a pedestal for having been so determinant in how our world works. I am not in that camp.

    But as I said, no more discussion here. It’s crunch time for other tasks.

    Have a wonderful day.


  33. @LIBakaDJ………….Isn’t that what the IMF and World Bank do excellently…graph their words and observations to trick the unsuspecting and eventually pillage and rape nations…?

    With all the words you’re throwing all over this this thread you still have not DISPROVED that the IMF and World Bank pillage unsuspecting nations.

    So as usual you are blowing smoke!

  34. BRAIN POWER (BP) Avatar

    ROK ! ROK ! ROK !
    Whither thou ROK
    I saw a vagrant in the SUNDAY SUN, it looked like you -was it you who was being shaved by that kind lady ??


  35. Cryptic Copacetic

    Igbo Reading: Oma akwu-kwo iyi, ima-ri ihe iyi ma.

    Literal Translation: “You who (claim to) know the vegetation of the riverside, do you have the river’s knowledge?”

    Lesson: Literacy is not wisdom. A man’s knowledge cannot compare to that of the Eternal Being.


  36. One of the saddest aspects to the debate on Standard & Poors credit rating debate and attendant issues related to the economy is the high profile the Persaud’s and people based outside of Barbados are being given prominence within the media. Later in the week BU expects to provide an insight on this problem from an academic who is on the ground and understands the Barbados experience.


  37. Every sound of the drum you hear
    Is an african beat
    Very well
    I’m leaving

    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/very-well/


  38. Bless you Kiki!


  39. Hi David,

    Thanks for emailing me. Interesting thread.

    I’d respectfully suggest that Persaud and Marshall are not occupying positions that necessitate a one-or-the-other judgement (at least judging from what is in your piece).

    Take the idea that you touch on of encouraging entrepreneurialship. If you have seen this:

    http://www

    you might conclude that Persaud also supports the notion in concrete rather than rhetorical terms. To my ear he also says several things that are critical of BOTH past and current administrations. Politicise the man one may but it would be useful to separate his factual arguments from indulgence in the mischievous alchemy of the inference-to-certainty game.

    More generally, Persaud’s criticism that the government has delayed and prayed when it comes to securing contingency funding hardly appears a political point at heart. Suppose, for example, that on top of the daily demands of running the people’s business during a devastating credit crunch that an enormous contingent liability, entered into on a discretionary basis and equal to, say, 3% or >$200m of GDP, comes catastrophically due. Does anyone imagine that this – or even some smaller fraction of it – can be readily covered? Is it mainly political to suggest that “hope for the best but plan for the worst” is superior policy to kicking the can down the road? Only when viewed exclusively through a partisan prism.

    One commenter makes the point that if, as the previous government argued, the country’s debt is manageable because much of it is held locally then it must still be. That was an argument aimed at mitigating currency risk concerns and a nod to the large amounts held by the NIS. Surely fair comment though it is worth noting that not only has the debt continued to rise but at least one local mutual fund has unusually (and publicly last week) decided to stop holding Barbados paper. This is a very important change of context not taken account of nor widely noted so far as I can tell.

    There’s also the suggestion that, contrary to what anti-government partisans say, Barbados is merely suffering the same pain as others and not some unique, self-inflicted form of economic purgatory. That is largely true. But if one considers the extend-and-pretend treatment afforded Clico Holdings (the contingent liability referred to obliquely above) and gives fair hearing to the Persaud argument that better “rainy day” funding terms should have been secured many months ago it is quite far from being completely true. Of course, that’s just a view not a fact. Perhaps it will all come good.

    I do not know what else Persaud might have said to draw the ire of BU and others but fairness suggests articulating it in factual terms in order to dismiss it.

    Regarding the comment on ratings agencies, to conclude that assessing countries and financial instruments is such a similar exercise that the failings of one must apply to the other does not bear much scrutiny. If you are able to point to a single disastrously wrong example of a S&P (or other major) country assessment (insofar as it is possible to separate the impact of the collapse of credit from these) please cite it. Further, and with the notable exception of Egan-Jones the major raters had serious conflicts of interest with product ratings arising out of their remuneration method – they got paid by the sellers of the instrument they rated. The rewards for country assessments pale into insignificance.

    That said, there does exist a strong alternative case for downplaying the relevance of country assessments: they are too conservative and invariably behind the curve. When they do pronounce it is generally the case that they are merely stating the obvious. Is there truly anyone who was genuinely surprised by the negative watch announcement?

    Finally, who could disagree with the sentiment of your concluding paragraph? But it does seem a little one-eyed to imply that the opposition enjoys a monopoly of “sucking political mileage” out of the current circumstances. Both sides seem to be doing a quite magnificent job on that front and the electorate will judge each accordingly come voting time.

    [As a small aside and without, again, the benefit of the original sources of what was argued I’d also suggest that whilst having soldiers do police work has precedents these have regularly been difficult episodes. Different training, very different purposes – overlapping duties would require careful terms of reference.]


  40. The Barbados labour Party told us that Thompy was taking his que from the IMF.
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    The IMF “Directors encouraged the authorities to develop a credible medium-term fiscal adjustment plan and start with its implementation, as soon as possible. They were of the view that, if left unchecked, the large fiscal deficits, combined with an uncertain foreign financing outlook, could result in A DETERIORATION IN INVESTOR CONFIDENCE. A concerted adjustment effort was, therefore, crucial to countering such a risk, by reducing fiscal financing needs, supporting the balance of payments, and placing public debt on a firm downward path”.
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    Thompson did not do this and hence the S&P downgrade.

    The BLP said on September 18th….

    The Barbados economy is so perilously placed at the moment that it is only one shock away from disaster. The indices like GDP and foreign reserves that should be up are down
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    Lets look at some stats

    Baseline: External debt for 2007 46.5%
    Baseline: External debt for 2009 50.5%

    Imports 2007 62.0%
    Exports 2007 68.7%

    Imports 2009 53.9%
    Imports 2009 57.0%

    Public sector debt 2007 103.3%
    Public sector debt 2007 115.1%

    International reserves, which declined by almost US$100 million in 2008, are likely to broadly stabilize during 2009, boosted by the recent placement abroad of a US$120 million government bond and by SDR allocations of around US$90 million.

    The external current account deficit would narrow from 10½ percent of GDP in 2008 to 5¼ percent in 2009, and remain below 6 percent in 2010.

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    Gross international reserves (in months of imports of G&S) 1 2007 4.0

    Gross international reserves (in months of imports of G&S) 2009 4.2


  41. @Rawdon

    Thanks as always for your input on matters of this nature even though some of your commentary rubbishes BU positions, we can handle it.

    The last paragraph was made in the context the Prime Minister David Thompson making a public invite to former PM Arthur, Richie Haynes and Sir Erskine to join him at a breakfast meeting to discuss matters of state.

    You obviously are not comfortable with the mouthings and subsequent actions of government regarding the management of the CLICO problem (feel free to get more granular given how the transaction as progressed since your last comment on the matter).

    BU has nothing against Dr. Persaud and we are glad when a son of the soil represents the blue yellow at the lofty heights he obviously operates. It does not remove the obligation on our part to ask him to declare his relationship with leader of the opposition Mia Mottley.

    Despite your dismissal of BU’s point which questions the decision making process of CAs regarding not only structured products but country ratings Internet searches are replete with examples of conflicting positions between the CAs when establishing country ratings, maybe it is gods mercy one or the other has not been proved wrong yet.

    BU expects to post a commentary on the Barbados economy late Thursday night provided by one of our home grown academics.

  42. Trained Economist Avatar
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    The foreign exchange reserves are reported at 20.7 weeks of import cover. So the level of reserves can hardly be the concern of the rating agencies.

    The foreign exchange reserves have been boosted by funds raised on the T&T capital market. Whether this could have been raised earlier at cheaper rates is debatable. Speed is not everything, getting it right is also quite important.

  43. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    If Persaud did in fact comment that ” the government has delayed and prayed when it comes to securing contingency funding,” I would find that comment an unfair if not inaccurate one.

    Persaud, as knowledgeable as he is, often manages to give the impression that everything can be done overnight.

    As far as I am aware the funds raised on the TT market were in hand by June of this year. Surely one can appreciate that that there is a lag between a govt deciding on a bond issue, the actual process of placing the bond and receiving the funds.

  44. Trained Economist Avatar
    Trained Economist

    When it comes to rating agencies and governments I suggest a read of the article found at this link.

    http://www.people.hbs.edu/rabdelal/ToJudgeLeviathan.pdf


  45. @David,

    I would not want to “rubbish” anyone. Cordial debate is all.

    Re Clico I am aware this is taboo area but you are right – I think it was an error not to underwrite the balance sheet of the company as preparation for a sale. Fixating on the policyholders may actually have hollowed out the commercial viability of the company (in terms of the signal it sent to the largest holders of Clico instruments) rather than shoring it up; and has laid a large contingent liability upon the shoulders of taxpayers at a fiscally inopportune moment. Just a view.

    @TE, David: CAs on soveriegns is not a perfect relationship. I don’t suggest this. That link to the HBS paper (thanks) highlights some of the issues of economic dogma in hand with real politik (in broad terms) for sovereigns. This is quite distinct – and of a different financial scale too – from the corrupt and morally questionable interactions that occurred between the CAs and IBs.

    @TE, timing point taken. It does, of course, matter which point is chosen as that at which the clock began ticking.

    The “delay and pray” is poetic license but not an unfair characterisation of Persaud’s comments in that clip. But I accept that the subtext is up for debate.

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