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muslim_mafiaIt is no secret to BU the 911 event which occurred in New York on the 11 September 2001 has added to tensions between the Muslim and Christian worlds. The reported terrorist acts which resulted in the demolition of the Twin Towers, damaged to the Pentagon and tragically resulted in the loss of many lifes has scared world history. The act was tracked to the Al Qaeda network by the US authorities and predictably the fallout has reverberated across the world. During the last US Presidential Election Campaign the foreign policy the candidates would adopt if elected was placed under heavy scrutiny especially concerning the current conflicts in Muslimย  Iraq, Afghanistan and for other reasons Iran. To President Barack Obamaโ€™s credit he fulfilled a campaign promise when he delivered a speech targeting his message at the Muslim world back in May designed to ease tension. He demonstrated courage and imagination by travelling to Egypt to do so.

Eight years later BU is not sure there has been any deflation of tensions even though President Obama has been able to benefit by being awarded a Nobel Peace prize significantly attributed to his efforts at enabling a climate which encourages peace.

It must concern President Obama now that he carries the weight of being a Nobel Laureate; the unravelling revelation in a book just released that the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been fingered in a memo obtained through Paul Sperry’s newest book Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America, CAIR lays out plans to place interns in the Committees on the Judiciary, Intelligence, and Homeland Security for the purpose of influencing policy.

Interesting indeed, so what does the future hold?

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‘Now we have proof’ jihadis infiltrating D.C.

Congress seizes on explosive new book based on daring undercover CAIR probe

In the wake of the sensational ACORN video sting operation by two young investigators, an even more daring, dangerous and devastating undercover investigation – this one infiltrating the nation’s most aggressive Muslim “civil rights” organization for six months – has resulted in stunning revelations about the supposedly “moderate” group, backed up by 12,000 pages of documents and 300 hours of covert video obtained during the secret op.

As revealed in a new book detailing the operation and its findings, the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Rather, as indisputable evidence now shows, CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood โ€“ the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas โ€“ to infiltrate and destroy the American system.

Until now, CAIR has remained a powerful force in the nation’s capitol and across the country, from demanding the Obama administration stop FBI counter-terrorism tactics to compelling a school district to apologize to Muslims.

That influence, many believe, may be coming to an end, as a result of the stunning undercover investigation — which included the son of a veteran counter-terrorism investigator, who grew a beard and converted to Islam, as well as two veiled female interns.

CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad shakes hands with intern Chris Gaubatz, aka David Marshall, at CAIR’s national headquarters in Washington, D.C., in 2008

“Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America,” a WND Books publication by counter-terrorism investigator Dave Gaubatz and “Infiltration” author Paul Sperry, documents CAIR’s ultimate purpose to transform the United States into an Islamic nation under the authority of the Quran.

The book already has prompted action on Capitol Hill.

With evidence from “Muslim Mafia” in hand, U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., co-founder of the Congressional Anti-Terror Caucus, and other members of Congress โ€“ including Reps. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., and Paul Broun, R-Ga. โ€“ plan to hold a press conference today in Washington calling for an investigation and an end to political lobbying by front groups such as CAIR.

“Now we have proof โ€“ from the secret documents that this investigative team has uncovered, coupled with the ones recently declassified by the FBI โ€“ that [radical Islamists] agents living among us have a plan in place, and they are successfully carrying out that subversive plan,” Myrick writes in the foreword to “Muslim Mafia.”

Noting that CAIR has tried to hide its strategy, finances, membership, internal disputes and much more from public view since its founding in 1994, Islam expert Daniel Pipes lauded “Muslim Mafia” for definitively exposing the “tawdry and often illegal inner workings of radical Islam’s most aggressive organization in North America.”

“The revelations in this book should both put CAIR out of business and permanently discredit the Islamist cause,” Pipes said.

Undercover

The book begins as a real-life, heart-pounding thriller, with Chris Gaubatz, the son of co-author David Gaubatz, preparing to go underground as an intern for CAIR at its Herndon, Va., office.

Astoundingly, the younger Gaubatz, posing as a bearded Muslim convert, ends up with a position at CAIR’s national office in Washington, just three blocks from the U.S. Capitol building, working alongside top leaders Ibrahim Hooper, Nihad Awad and Corey Saylor.

Along with declassified government documents, the book unveils thousands of e-mails, faxes and internal memos that were never meant for public viewing.

Chris Gaubatz and CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper working the CAIR booth at the 45th annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America in Columbus, Ohio, in 2008

The new evidence shows that CAIR โ€“ already designated an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terror-financing case in U.S. history โ€“ is part of an organized crime network in America made up of more than 100 other Muslim front groups that collectively comprise the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood.

“Muslim Mafia” also exposes the inner workings of the mob-like Brotherhood and explains its broader conspiracy of infiltrating the American government and “destroying Western civilization from within.”

“The evidence found in the investigation is incontrovertible,” said co-author Sperry, noting that the book has more than 40 pages of footnotes and an appendix with more than 50 pages of exclusive confidential documents.

The Brotherhood is known within Islamist circles as the “Ikhwan mafia” because of its highly organized structure, centralized control and covert operations. CAIR, reveals “Muslim Mafia,” is one part of the network of front groups, cut-outs and shell companies that shield the Brotherhood’s criminal activities from authorities.

“These guys talk about jihad and murdering Jews like the mob talked about killing โ€“ totally casual, like they were ordering pizza,” said one FBI official in Washington quoted in the book.

Some key smoking-gun revelations detailed in “Muslim Mafia” include:

  • New evidence that CAIR was launched to support the Hamas terrorist group, and has transferred tens of thousands of dollars to a group recently convicted as Hamas’ top fundraising arm in the U.S. – money that ended up aiding terrorist attacks on Israelis and Americans;
  • Internal documents showing CAIR, despite claims of cooperating with law enforcement, actively works behind the scenes to mislead and deceive the FBI on behalf of terrorism suspects – and has even cultivated Muslim moles inside law enforcement who have tipped off FBI terror targets;
  • CAIR is more closely tied to al-Qaida than previously reported;
  • CAIR claims to represent all Muslim Americans, however, it has victimized some 100 indigent Muslims in a massive fraud and threatened them when they tried to go to the media; and internally, personnel complaints reveal CAIR discriminates against Shiite Muslims and Muslim women within its own headquarters;
  • CAIR and its sister fronts are funded by foreign Muslim Brotherhood sources;
  • CAIR leaders share the Muslim Brotherhood’s ultimate goal to replace the U.S. Constitution with Shariah law;
  • The Muslim Brotherhood investment in corporate America will be used to pressure U.S. companies into compliance with Islamic principles.

The book also shows radical Muslims in the U.S. are working to support Palestinian terrorists, destroy Israel, gut U.S. anti-terrorism laws, loosen U.S. Muslim immigration policies and convert Americans to Islam.

The authors explain they targeted CAIR because it helps control the “religious crime syndicate from its power base in Washington, the capitol of the same government it wishes to overthrow.”

While the FBI has cut formal ties to CAIR in the wake of its designation as an unindicted co-conspirator in a plot to fund the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, the group has virtually unfettered access to Capitol Hill and continues to wield influence in the White House.

Certificate signed by Nihad Awad and awarded to Chris Gaubatz for completing his internship

CAIR, the book reveals, regularly reserves meeting rooms and prays Fridays alongside Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and a growing number of Muslim staffers.

The first Muslim elected to Congress and a de facto CAIR board member, Ellison predicted in one CAIR power breakfast he soon would be flanked by 15 other Muslim congressmen, “Muslim Mafia” notes.

Chris Gaubatz, in fact, once found himself praying elbow-to-elbow with Ellison during a Friday prayer gathering attended by CAIR inside the U.S. Capitol.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the book says, is totally in the dark about the threat, and so is the White House.

In fact, reveals “Muslim Mafia,” in the White House President Obama is hiring Muslims โ€“ including an adviser who advocates compliance with Shariah law โ€“ based on resumes solicited from Muslim Brotherhood fronts.

Meanwhile, the FBI is in conflict internally about how to deal with the Brotherhood, with some top officials in favor of maintaining outreach, while counter-terror case agents in the field strongly object, pointing to evidence the network is a factory for homegrown terror and is secretly carrying out activities hostile to the U.S.

“They’ve achieved outrageous penetration at senior levels of our government,” veteran FBI special agent John Guandolo warns in the book.

Until recently, the FBI engaged in outreach activities with CAIR, including forcing rookie agents to take cultural field trips to area mosques.

The “Muslim Mafia” authors obtained notes revealing the FBI even has offered to sponsor Muslim youth camps with the Boys Clubs of America.

A shortage of Arab linguists and dozens of discrimination suits by Arab and Muslim employees has prompted the FBI to recruit from Brotherhood-related groups, such as the Islamic Society of North America

A Muslim agent who drew national attention when he refused to tape-record a fellow Muslim during a terrorism investigation was promoted and now recruits other Muslims to become agents and linguists.

‘Hit sheets’

The book also presents evidence CAIR has prepared “hit sheets” on its critics in the news media in an effort to intimidate them into silence.

Internal memos show, for example, top officials privately met with CNN executives in Atlanta to press them to cancel Glenn Beck’s program on its Headline News network. Beck now has a highly rated afternoon show on the Fox News Channel.

CAIR’s campaign to boycott leading nationally syndicated radio talk-show host Michael Savage’s advertisers cost more than $160,000, the book reveals. The authors recount how CAIR ran out of money before it could crack Savage’s most loyal sponsors.

The book also includes new revelations about CAIR’s role in the “flying imams” case in 2006 in which six Muslim leaders were removed from an airline flight in Minneapolis after passengers and crew members reported what they believed to be suspicious behavior.

“Muslim Mafia” also exposes CAIR’s secret agenda to criminalize anti-terror profiling by police and private entities.

Gaubatz is a veteran federal investigator and counter-terrorism specialist who served for more than a decade as a special agent in the U.S. Air Force’s elite Office of Special Investigations. He held the U.S. government’s highest security clearances, including Top Secret/SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information), and was briefed in many so-called black projects.

Gaubatz also is a State Department-trained Arabic linguist with more than two decades of experience in the Middle East, including tours in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan and Iraq. In 2003, he led a 15-man team to rescue the family members of the Iraqi lawyer credited with saving Army Private First Class Jessica Lynch.

Sperry, a media fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, is former Washington bureau chief for Investor’s Business Daily and former Washington bureau chief of WorldNetDaily.com.

His bestseller “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington,” is being used by the U.S. military and top law enforcement departments nationwide. Many of the numerous stories he has broken on national security and counter-terrorism have been cited by the Washington Post, USA Today, UPI and the Associated Press, among others. His columns have appeared in publications such as the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Houston Chronicle, American Spectator and Reason.

One FBI official quoted in “Muslim Mafia” says CAIR and the other Muslim Brotherhood front groups differ from al-Qaida in that, while all share the same goals, they use different methods to achieve them.

“The only difference between the guys in the suits and the guys with the AK-47s is timing and tactics,” the official explained.


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603 responses to “Muslim Mafia In America: What Does The Future Bode?”


  1. @ Not Saved

    WAIT….. you is some kind of Deacon now? I thought that you did not believe any of this stuff… now you is MME’s right hand man?

    Which Paul you talking ’bout?
    McCartney?
    ROTFL…


  2. @MME

    “Ye are many โ€” they are fewโ€

    That poem is fatally flawed.
    …the opposite is true now.


  3. @BT,

    LOL

    And you still giving us the gospel according to the church of BT.



  4. Seems we have a 5th column demonic clear and present danger.

    Perhaps our BU christian soldiers will exhort us to take up the sword against them.


  5. MME and NS:

    I am sorry.

    You have now passed the threshold of reasonable discussion. (And certainly, I have spent far more time in trying to explain, correct and balance, step by step than is required by the principle of going the second mile.)

    NS, recall you accused me unjustly of racism, justification of violent aggression etc, and posted several posts trying to argue that Hitler was acting like other german leaders; in a context that suggested moderation and reasonableness of his actions, as your allusion to AJP Taylor shows. It is I who had to point out that AJP was speaking of Hitler as being typical of behaviours that were anything but moderate, in light of largely medieval exemplars. But the issues of immoderation and aggression I rased were not on “hypotheses” but on evident facts and well-known testimony, tracing to the surviving german genrals, Churchill [a participant and witness himself — read 1st vol of his history, focussing on the FACTS in evidence e.g. on the confidential german dissident testimony on the arms buildup that he broached in disguise in the UK parliament etc.] and others.

    Your resort to further attacks to the man may well confuse those who will not scroll up, but the track record above speaks for itself. So far, it is deeply evident that you are not being serious on the merits.

    Your snide use of a video with the radical secularist Rev Barry Lynn is a proof positive of that.

    When you were called on what you have done, you failed to correct your mishbehaviour or apologise. You now add to your pattern of uncivil conduct.

    That tells the sober minded onlooker what is really going on.

    Please, think, change your mind and do better.

    MME, I have already shown you enough to address the issue of the defence of the civil peace of justice, on the merits, if you really want to do so.

    And, it is most definitely NOT misleading to point out that on many subjects the fathers were all over the place — and indeed I could give you in extenso on Augustine — greatest of the Latin fathers — from City of God on his views on civil authority. (Think about his discussion on the counsel the prophet John gave to Theodosius regarding military challenges and resulting battles.)

    Of course Augustine was post Nicea.

    That brings up the point: it is the merits on the facts not the personal circumstances that count; otherwise one indulges in appeals to or against the person, not the merits of the case. On those merits, for a considerable time now, you have a lot of the foundational C1 documentation and its implications presented above, with onward linked discussions. You have never been able to soundly address it, attempts to use excerpts from Rom 12 notwithstanding. For instance, the counsel to be civil with neighbours is not to be confused with or cast into contradiction to the duty of the civil official to defend the civil peace of justice.

    I suggest you start from the issue as to whether the police should be armed in defence of the law, and whether a Christian can be a policeman; in light of the relevant texts and context. (The same test case you have repeatedly ignored.)

    NS: you need to ask yourself whether the police, immigration etc had a proper duty and right to defend the general public of the USA [etc] from the 9-11 terrorist circle — who had no previous terrorism convictions or the like — in the months leading up to Sept 10 – 11, 2001. Defend them through enforcing the law, backed up with the force of arms. Defend them from a 5th column in their midst, comprising students at flying schools etc. defend them from a long planned attack that cost 3,000 their lives, destroyed major financial centres by turning hostage filled commercial airliners into suicide cruise missiles and in the process triggering major economic upheavals, while coming close to being a successful leadership decapitation strike on the leading western power.

    Similarly were the passengers on flight 93 right to rise up against their hijackers, with improvised weapons?

    [Onlookers, see what is really at stake? See what a 5th column is in reality, not the caricatured dismissals of NS?]

    Good day

    Dictionary

  6. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “I feel that some architect or something using your handle MME”

    LOL… low blow

    “Ye are many – they are few”

    Context BTโ€ฆ Shelley was an atheistโ€ฆ his last line means that the oppressed outnumber the oppressorsโ€ฆ as opposed to the โ€˜savedโ€™ outnumbering the โ€˜unsavedโ€™โ€ฆ but his use of Christian imagery and the irony of a nonbeliever promoting the strategy of nonviolent resistance against an oppressive โ€˜Christianโ€™ regime (as would be repeated by another famous โ€˜nonbelieverโ€™ from India)โ€ฆ that is priceless ๐Ÿ™‚

    “Of course others can reap salvation besides Christians. โ€ฆ(a man can adoptโ€ฆ)”

    … but look at my crosses though. I ask you about a half dozen easy yes/no questions higher up the thread that you refuse to answer… yet you choose to answer the one question I specifically ask you not to respond toโ€ฆ

    โ€ฆ you on your own when the โ€˜righteous brothersโ€™ show up with guns blazing. ๐Ÿ™‚

  7. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    … you know what else is priceless?

    Dictionary uses Augustine as an example of Church fathers being all over the place…

    “it is most definitely NOT misleading to point out that on many subjects the fathers were all over the place โ€” and indeed I could give you in extenso on Augustine”

    … but then goes on to contradict himself by acknowledging that St. Augustine was one of those who came after most ‘Christians’ had sold their soul…

    “Of course Augustine was post Nicea.”

    This is as illogical a response to my submission as you can get.

    ROTFL… What happen Dictionary… had trouble finding a pre-313 example to support your argument? Maybe Zoe and his exhaustive library on Church history can come to your rescue.

    … by the way, show some respect and put the man title “Saint” before his name… LOL


  8. PS: Sigh. A summary on the subject of NS’s cirtes from Wiki on AJP [BTW, read the whole of that article!] from Hitler, Stresemann and the Discontinuity of German Foreign Policy Feuchtwanger, Edgar.

    ______________

    >>When Hitler remilitarised the Rhineland in March 1936, it was a decisive turning point in the move of the Third Reich towards territorial expansion and war. Up to then Hitler might have been stopped without war and the Nazi regime might have been toppled as a result. With Germany’s western frontier again defended and soon fortified, as came to be the case after 1936, the Versailles system of security in Europe was finally undermined and the road was open to German expansion. Hitler’s coup in the spring of 1936, which he himself described as the most nerve-racking 24 hours of his career, would have been impossible had not the Allies withdrawn their troops from the Rhineland in June 1930, five years ahead of the date envisaged in the Treaty of Versailles. This withdrawal was the final achievement of Gustav Stresemann, the strong man of the Weimar Republic, who controlled German foreign policy continuously from 1923 until his death in October 1929. From this and from other revisions of the Versailles treaty negotiated by Stresemann it can be argued that his policy prepared the ground for Hitler’s drive towards war and conquest. An argument along these lines was advanced by A.J.P. Taylor in his revisionist book The Origins of the Second World War, published in 1961. According to Taylor, Hitler was not essentially different from other German leaders, going back well beyond Bismarck, who had all striven for expansion and domination. Yet few historians would now subscribe without reservation to this thesis, especially since Taylor failed to acknowledge the significance of Nazi ideology in bringing about war. In this article it is intended to highlight the deep differences between the policies pursued during the Weimar years, principally by Stresemann, and the racial ideology that motivated Hitler’s conduct . . . .

    When Hitler became chancellor on 30 January 1933 much of the Versailles system had already been dismantled. This enabled him initially to give the impression that his foreign policy would be simply a continuation of that pursued by previous German governments. The impression was confirmed by his retention of the same foreign minister, von Neurath, a career diplomat who had served in the cabinets of Papen and Schleicher. This deceptive continuity in foreign policy had its counterpart in the domestic situation, where the veneer of legality had enabled Hitler and his party to take over the whole state apparatus without resistance. In fact the Nazi take-over was a profound revolution, arguably the most significant of the twentieth century, and the prelude to the greatest upheaval of the century, the second world war. In private Hitler made little secret of his intentions. In an address to the leading generals of the army, given within days of becoming chancellor, he spoke of โ€˜the conquest of new living space [Lebensraum] in the east and its ruthless Germanisationโ€™. [NB: as announced in his Mein Kampf, c 1925] To achieve this there would be a complete reversal of the current situation at home: โ€˜the most stringent authoritarian regime, removal of the cancer of democracy โ€ฆ total extermination of Marxismโ€™. There would be re-armament, military training for all, and pacifism would be completely expunged. It was to be war at home and abroad. Few of the generals listening to their new chancellor realised the full implications of what he was saying. As on many other occasions, Hitler was telling his audience what they wanted to hear. The aims of conservative German nationalists and the aims of Hitler were for the moment pointing in the same direction.

    Hitler’s revolution

    Initially Hitler did indeed proceed with considerable caution. He could not be sure that the Western Allies, suspecting his true aims, would not mount a pre-emptive strike while Germany was still disarmed. He was not the driving force behind early anti-Versailles moves in 1933, such as the German departure from the League of Nations and from the disarmament conference. He went out of his way to calm foreign fears about his regime, which were particularly aroused by his anti-Jewish measures. In a speech on 17 May 1933 he was profuse with declarations of peaceful intent, while also claiming that Germany had the right to equality with other nations. Even the SPD had to give its support to this speech, when it was in fact within days of being totally suppressed. Hitler had great success in hiding his ultimate purpose, arousing illusions both at home and abroad and feeding the hopes of those minded to appease him.

    Hitler’s first major unilateral defiance of the Versailles treaty was his announcement, in March 1935, that conscription would be reintroduced and that an army of 55 divisions, as well as an air force, would be rapidly created. The remilitarisation of the Rhineland a year later, Mussolini’s breach with the Western powers over Abyssinia, and the Spanish civil war created a situation increasingly favourable to his intention of radically redrawing the map of Europe. By the end of 1937, Hitler, at the meeting with his senior advisers on 5 November recorded by Colonel Hossbach, was projecting immediate territorial expansion against Czechoslovakia and Austria. He was about to practise what he had envisaged in his book Mein Kampf, written in 1925 as a justification of his ideas after the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch. Thereafter his conduct of policy became increasingly reckless, until, with his attack on Poland in September 1939, he deliberately precipitated war, when he could have achieved his immediate aims without it. (When in 1945 he was holed up in his bunker, soon to commit suicide, he still regretted that he had not started the war a year earlier over Czechoslovakia.) Hitler’s impatience was fuelled by the fear that the rearmament of Britain and France would soon catch up with Germany’s, and by the knowledge that his charismatic leadership, the linchpin of the whole Nazi regime, had constantly to be renewed by ever more sensational successes. Rearmament at break-neck speed, on which he had insisted, was also compelling him into early action.

    Change or continuity?

    There was a world of difference between Hitler’s revolutionary drive for a racially-based empire and the cautious policy of Stresemann, conscious that even a revived Germany would have strict limits to her power. It was indeed one of the tragedies of the situation that the Allies, and France in particular, only made reluctant concessions to the democratic governments of Weimar, while it took them a long time to summon up the will to resist Hitler’s brutal creation of accomplished facts. The illusions which led to the policy of appeasement were fed, amongst other factors, by the difficulty of distinguishing between the aims of moderate German nationalists and the extremism of Hitler. Many in Britain thought that at Versailles Germany had been treated badly and that a far-reaching revision of the Versailles system was a price well worth paying for the maintenance of peace. In Germany conservative nationalists, such as the leaders of the army, thought that Hitler was advancing along the same road they wanted to tread. Even Stresemann had envisaged that changes, particularly of the German-Polish border, would in due course become feasible and that the Locarno treaties had not closed the door to this. The smoke-screen with which Hitler successfully disguised his radical aims meant that it eventually required a world war, entailing immense loss of life and destruction, to frustrate the Nazi project of domination and racial supremacy . . .

    ___________

    Edgar Feuchtwanger teaches history at Southampton University and is the author of From Weimar to Hitler: Germany 1918-33 (2nd edn., Macmillan, 1995). He is at present writing a book on Imperial Germany and a biography of Bismarck. >>
    _________________

    Onlookers, I trust this helps set a base for a clearer understanding of the defects of the rhetoric used above to try to distract from the historically underscored issue of the failure of appeasement with the radically unappeasable and the significance of responding in good time to serious breaches of treaties meant to preserve a delicate balance of peace, before the situation spins utterly out of control.


  9. pardon, messed up a link


  10. Asking ‘Not Saved’ as Dictionary has so graciously done, “Please, think, change you mind and do better.” Is like asking a leopard to change its *spots* or a *Fox* not to be *cunning* or *sly*

    Not Saved is like his (spiritual) ‘father’ unable to think objectively, cannot discern ‘Truth’ from falsehood nor downright *lies* entirely consistent with being a rancorous *atheist* and the *befuddled* “Leftist” that he is!

    MME, on the other hand, an intelligent man, BUT, treading into the arena of Biblical theology, and Chruch history,without having the necessary preparatory skills, expertise, know-how, in order to engage in any substantial, tangible, debate, meaningful to the facts, etc, etc.

    Also, and this is where I am disappointed in MME, unlike Not Saved, who is *dead* spiritually; MME, has, based on the merited, condign, warranted facts, biblically, has chosen to be, *intellectually* dishonest, to save face, rather than admit he is wrong!


  11. This thread is like comedy central. Dictionary reads like a stuffed shirt, and halloween just gone.


  12. Dictionary is obviuosly well educated, and an untellectual- not quite life the rift raf that frequents BU.

    Does he not have the right to be himself.

    Can you add anything of substance to the debate Pat, except for your little dirty jabs?


  13. @ MME
    by the way, show some respect and put the man title โ€œSaintโ€ before his nameโ€ฆ LOL

    Why? Do you think that Augustine wanted to be canonized?

    What is the bibical definition of a saint?
    It certainly is not one who has been canonnized by the RC church- the only organisation that does this.

    What is the Biblical warrant for caslling some body Saint X? There is none!


  14. anon?

    Come on Georgie, we know that is you, show yourself.

    Dirty little jabs? Dictionary/GEM is the king.

    LOL


  15. anon // November 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM
    ***********************

    And which “Anon” are you?

    Do you think that because someone can cut and paste and link to others opinions that they are educated and intellectual?

    Well poor you! What do you have to add, except for being the “police” of this blog? Who appointed you “overseer”?

    Cheupse….


  16. Touche MME,
    ….you trick me with the Shelley thing…. you know full well that unlike Zoe, my library was largely made up of Biggles… when I had one, that is…!
    LOL.

    What would a bushman know about Shelley anyway?!! rotfl…

    If as man, you would just admit that the use of force -in the right circumstances, with the right motive and in the right hands, is quite appropriate for a Christian we can all move on to more substantial topics….
    ….after all, there is no greater ‘user of force’ than BBE, and Christians are charged to strive to become like BBE…

    …and if we cannot be trusted with using small force now, how can we ever be trusted with the ultimate…?
    review the parable of the talents again…

    ……..
    Current score= 2 to you; and 1 to BT


  17. @MME
    “โ€ฆ you on your own when the โ€˜righteous brothersโ€™ show up with guns blazing. :-)”
    LOL

    …as if you normally provide any covering fire when the bushman comes under such attack…. ROTFL…

    …..BT is trembling in his boots… Ha ha

    I still can’t believe that you got NS on your side on this blog!!!

    THAT alone should tell you that yuh wrong!!!! ha ha ha HA HA


  18. Now, back to the central theme of this thread, *MUSLIM Mafia*, and the recently released, devastating book, uncovering the Islamist agenda that’s conspiring to Islamize America, from within, the “Council on American-Islamic Relations” (CAIR) not withstanding the massive volume of evidence stacked against it, exposing its deadly Islamist plot and plan, based on its *roots* in the “Muslim Brotherhood Credo” which states:

    “Allah IS our goal, the Prophet (Muhammad) IS our guide, the Quran IS our constitution, Jihad IS our way, and *DEATH* for the glory of Allah IS our greatest ambition.” emphasis added.

    Chris Gaubatz, along with two young ladies, pretended to convert to Islam, he grew a baird, they wore veils, and were able to infiltrate CAIR, whose national headquaters is just three blocks from the US Capitol, clandestinely, and legally, were able to remove, literally tons of evidence conforming the sinister plans by CAIR to *Islamize* America.

    It is a fact, that CAIR is known by the U.S. government to be a Saudi-funded *terrorist* front group, whose terror connections caused the FBI earlier this year to cut off ties with the organization. The U.S Justice Department has likewise branded CAIR an “unindicted c0-conspirator” in the largest terror-funding trial in U.S. history. In other words, in law enforcement terms CAIR is a “nasty” organization. It has supported known terror groups like *Hamas*, it has engaged in placing interns and staffers in key congressional offices, and works ceaselessly to undermine America’s post-911 security, supported by numerous FBI agents confirmation.

    Just like ACORN, who rather than admitting to its obvious corruption, once exposed, maintained its innocence, suing the duo who videotaped them, CAIR, yesterday, began the same thing, denying everything, blaming the FBI, and disputing the Justice Department designation as terror co-conspirator, and condemning members of Congress, who based on the irrefutable evidence from ‘within’ CAIR headquarters, have recently called for three separate federal probes into CAIR.

    True to form, CAIR, yesterday, filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., a lawsuit against Chris Gaubatz and his father, “Muslim Mafia” co-author, P. David Gaubatz.

    On the Middle East side of things, the following is an article by Dr. David Zangen, Ma’ariv, 27. 10.09, p.2)

    ISRAELI DOCTOR: DEAR JUDGE GOLDSTONE, THEY DECEIVED YOU, YOU ARE WRONG.

    “Dear Judge Goldstone,
    My name is Dr. David Zangen, I am consultant in Pediatric Endocrinology and Diabetes at Hadassah University Hospital in Jerusalem. Over 50% of my patients population is Palestinian from Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. I speak Arabic and initiated the first program for Palestinian physicians in the feild of Pediatric Endocrinology. The trained physicians were fully respected and were included as first authors of our studies that are published in the world’s leading professional journals.

    But, at the same time, I happened to be the Chief Medical Officer of my brigade during Operation Defensive Shield, in Jenin, 2002. I was responsible for the medical treatment of our soldiers, but also for enabling the hospital in Jenin to provide full medical services to the civilian population, and I was personally involved in numerous medical treatments that Palestinians (including fighters) received from Isaeli physicians.

    During and after the operation the Jenin Hospital was a source for what has been falsely called the massacre in Jenin in which 5,000 people were slaughtered. This same person, Dr. Abu Rali, has claimed that one part of the Jenin hospital was destrpyed by Israeli tank missiles: “12 tank rockets were shot at the hospital.” You should know, honorable Judge, that these statements have been proven and documented as outright lies, not only by Israeli sources but also by Human rights Watch and UN organizations, which counted only 52 dead on the Paslestinian side and 23 on the Israeli side. These organizations, and photograps of Jenin Hospital following the operation, showed no evidence of any destruction at the hospital buildings. this Dr. Abu Rali, a hospital director and physician, lies and incites in the service of false testimony. I cannot understand it. And you cannot understand it. But, unfortunately, this is what happened. Even people who would normally be considered reliable sources become advocates of blatant lies. Tragically, moral misbehaviour of doctors in the Palestinian Authority is not new. The Pediatrician, George Habash, sent his terrorists to kill children in Israeli schools, as did Hamas’ leader and pediatrician, Dr. Abd al-Aziz Rantisi, as well as pedistrician, Dr. Mahmud Zaher, who continues to encourage the launching of rockets from Gaza against innocent Israeli schools.

    Please Judge Goldstone, you should really be careful when such blatant liars serve as the basis for your report. I am sure that you mean well, but being an eyewitness, both to the events in Jenin and to the subsequent media, and initially flase, UN reporting, I do understand what happened to you, how a person of such statue and integrity, could become associated with such a faulty report. Look, Judge Goldstone, at your report on the Al Fakhura incident on January 5-6th 2009 (paragraphs 652-688). You do report how Israel was accused for directly bombing the UNRWA school. It took two weeks for this accusation to be withdrawn. But you, honored Judge, went back to get your testimony only from the same people who spread the blood libel of the school bombing. Moreover, when analyzing the scene you claim that you could not verify the numbers of 24 dead and 40 wounded, but these numbers are not considered exaggerated. Finally, in the Factual Findings’ section, you already determine that 24 people were killed and 40 injured!

    Did you, by any chance, try to validate any of these invented and inciting details. Did you look at the Al Jazeera or BBC reports from the same very day of the event? Did you try to validate your ‘Factual Findings’ conclusions by at least getting emergency room charts on the people admitted to their trauma department on this very day? Did you go over the ID’s of the “dead” and the place or cemetery where they were supposedly buried? No, you didn’t!

    As a Judge I am sure that you did not mean to hurt Israel. I try to believe that you came to Gaza without prejudice. But a judge is expected to look, at least, for some evidence and varification (media, emergency room registration, burial places, etc) of the testimonies and not accept impossible “facts”. You have allowed yourself to be mislead by frabication made either by terrorists or doctors such as Dr. Abu Rali from Jenin.

    I and my colleagues in Israel, are pround of the medical service that is given equally to every human being regardless of origin, we are also proud to belong to a nation that is identifed as having higher moral strandards than others.

    I can tell you Judge Goldstone. Take this Al Fakhura incident, look at the media coverage from the very same day. See the events in their context. Try to live one day with the rrsponsibility for the existence of this small nation of 6,000,000 Jwes threatened consistantly by 300 million Muslims. I call on you to try and not draw conclusions from such lies and misleading witnesses, even if they come from so-called professionls. In the modern world, propaganda and lies are definitely a part of war. And as a judge, you should not serve as a tool for augmenting hatred and conflicts.

    We desire peace. We love peace. And we try our utmost to fight for our right to exist while maintaining the highest possible moral standards, even at the cost of our lives.”

    Another honest report from one was there, helping to care and attend, even wounded Palestinain fighters.


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  20. Hip Hop Fury – GZA


  21. MME, re Augustine:

    I simply chose to give you the leading Latin Father [who discussed the Christian and the state in extenso in the best known work from the fathers, City of God].

    As I further explicitly stated (and which you ducked in responding, thus falling into a strawman fallacy), I used the post Nicea issue to show that the question is not persons and dates but issues and also the foundational teaching. And BTW, there is no good ground for inferring or suggesting or hinting that there was a sudden and dramatic imposed change in key church theology post 325 AD. (Dan Brown et al are propagating slanderous myths; myths they knew or should have known are false. that is there is a serious breach of duties of care here, especially when one asserts in one’s best selling work that the statements on artwork, documents etc are true. They demonstrably — cf here for simple starters and here for a solid theological response in extenso — are NOT.)

    Thereafter there was indeed a progressively closer involvement of church and state but this was controversial, and records have survived on both sides.

    So, the issue is back to what Luther said: given that the Fathers etc are in fact coming from diverse views on any number of topics, what they have to say may be interesting or even helpful on any given topic, but is plainly not decisive. For the Christian, what is decisive is the foundational teaching and example. Which is what I have laid out time and again above, step by step, with onward links for more.

    And, while pacifism and indeed absolutised pacifism have been popular in many eras of church history, this is one side of the story. there is another side too, and the issue is what is the balanced, well-warranted view. Having surveyed the text and showed my reasons in outline, with onward links, I have summarised:

    __________

    >> . . . we should not be waspish, we should go the extra mile, we should respect legitimate authority from the teacher to the Queen, the civil officer has a duty to protect the civil peace, when a leader goes wrong, other leaders are duty bound to act in defence of justice, and that if a leader cannot be corrected he should be removed by responsible authorities and the people, with the general election being a specific mechanism for doing so peacefully. And, that in this context the force of words, the force of boycott, the force of the court of law, or the force of the sword are all instruments of force that must be judged on principles of justice and defence of the civil peace. >>

    _____________

    I have now given general and specific cases on the police as a key test.

    In short: given that the police are plainly necessary, if your theology implies that he police are inherently unnecessary and evil, something is wrong. And, if Rom 13 etc show tha the civl authority is God’s servant to do us good by defending justice, one is hard pressed indeed to justify why a Christian cannot then serve as a policeman.

    To date, you have provided no serious Bible study much less exegetical grounds or valid common sense reason [in light of the policeman example] that shows your point of view is correct to the C1, foundational era and teachings.

    And, the astute onlooker can easily enough see that.

    It is also why I am treating your attempt to divert from the foundational teachings to a subsequent era and sources that are lesser weight, as a fallacy of distraction.

    G’day

    Dictionary

    __________

    PS: On the actual theme in the main, cf developments here, where CAIR has reportedly filed a lawsuit against Gaubatz. of note from the article:

    >> In the lawsuit, however, CAIR, which describes itself as a Muslim civil-rights group, does not defend itself against the book’s claims . . . . CAIR says it seeks to prevent any further disclosure or distribution of the 12,000 pages of documents Chris Gaubatz acquired from the group while working as an intern under the pseudonym David Marshall . . . .

    Dave Gaubatz told WND the “research project pertaining to CAIR was conducted in a professional and legal manner.”

    He said it was “funded by a high profile U.S. organization with very close ties to senior law enforcement and U.S. government officials.” . . . .

    The publisher of “Muslim Mafia,” WND CEO Joseph Farah, defended the Gaubatzes two weeks ago in a letter to members of the Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus who had been warned by CAIR not to go ahead with a press conference calling for investigations of the book’s findings.

    Farah asserted the CAIR material was legally obtained by Chris Gaubatz, who had been asked by CAIR officials “to shred documents he believed might be criminal evidence โ€ฆ and involve matters of national security.”

    “On advice from counsel, he collected those documents and preserved them. None of the documents were ‘stolen,’” Farah said.

    “They were, in fact, handed to him by CAIR employees for destruction,” Farah wrote to the Congress members. “All of the documents are available for review by appropriate law-enforcement authorities and, in fact, some have already been provided to them.”

    Farah concluded Chris Gaubatz’s “patriotic activities within CAIR, an unindicted terrorist co-conspirator, were done on advice of counsel at every step, and were in accordance with District of Columbia and Virginia state law.”

    According to a Washington attorney, “it is a federal and state crime to participate in the destruction of evidence of a crime if reasonable suspicion exists the documents are evidence of criminal activity.”

    David Gaubatz said he continues to maintain contact with law enforcement officials . . . >>

    Smoking guns?

    PPS: Link on the article cited yesterday on Hitler’s intent and action and why appeasement failed. The astute onlooker will recognise that apart from grumbling on excerpts [from REAL experts on the subject!], NS etc are unable to defend their revisionising of Hitler. Let us draw the appropriate lesson on what happens when we try to appease the unreasonable, so that we will not be doomed to repeat some of the worst chapters of history, this time with nukes in play.

    PPPS: I trust, too, that onlookers will understand that — pace NS’s mockery above — the sort of hostage taking cutting the throats of stewardesses to gain access to cockpits, murder of flight deck crew and the deliberate flying of civil airliners filled with hostages into buildings where ordinary people were going about the ordinary affairs of life that took place on Sept 11 2001 was plainly demonic evil.

    P4s: Peter on how Paul can be wrenched: >> 2 Pet 3:15 And regard the patience of our Lord as salvation,51 just as also our dear brother Paul52 wrote to you,53 according to the wisdom given to him, 3:16 speaking of these things in all his letters.54 Some things in these letters55 are hard to understand, things56 the ignorant and unstable twist57 to their own destruction, as they also do to the rest of the scriptures.58 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned,59 be on your guard that you do not get led astray by the error of these unprincipled men60 and fall from your firm grasp on the truth.61 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge62 of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the honor both now and on63 that eternal day. >> We have been warned, not just on Paul but on the Scriptures as a whole.


  22. Footnote: A link on basic principles of sound Bible study. I have already highly recommended the eSWORD freeware Bible software [there are others out there too such as The Word and Xiphos] for those who want to dig in, accessing a rich library of original language texts, research tools, dictionaries, commentaries, and much more.


  23. No preponderance of views/opinions coming from either the post-apostolic fathers, or for that matter any other group thereafter, IS valid, if it does not rest on sound exegesis and hermeneutics based on the self-authenticating authority of God’s Word.

    It is patently obvious from the writings of many of the early ‘fathers’ that they did NOT grasp some of Paul’s profoundly inspired theology; i.e., Baptism, ‘Does Baptism Save Anyone?’ On this issue, our first explicit reference to infant baptism, which is unscriptural, comes from Terullian, a leader in the church in North Africa (ca 200). The second reference to infant baptism comes from the writings of Origen from Alexandria, Egypt. the third reference is found in the writngs of Cyprian, also from North Africa, in about ca 251.

    Augustine is our fourth witness from North Africa who advocated infant baptism, and infant Communion, hear Augustine.

    “If then, as so many divine testimonies agree, neither salvation nor eternal life is to be hoped for by any, *without* baptism and the body and blood of our Lord, it is in vain promised to infants without them.”

    This practice of infant baptism, contrary to any scriptural warrant, then arose in North Africa in the latter part of the second century, largely due to the (unscriptual) belief that forgiveness of sins came through the sacraments. In keeping with this sacramentalism, Communion was also given to infants as well.

    Only, the sealed authority of God’s Word, NOT the preponderance of views, held to by any amount of ‘fathers’ can validate any doctrine, this IS why millions of “Christians” deemed heretics, were slaughtered in the most brutal fashion, by Roman Catholicism, as they would NOT ‘recant’ their resolute ‘belief’ in God’s Word, for the FALSE doctrine of Romanism!

    So, you see MME, they were always, the dissenting sects, before ca 313, and way after, who would NOT budge from the absolute doctrinal *truth* of God’s Word, “…Once for ALL delivered to the saints.” (Jude).


  24. FRONTING FOR HAMAS

    “From its founding by Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR conspired with other affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood to support terrorists.”

    -U.S. Justice Department.

    As the Trinidadians say, ‘Taking in front before in front take you.”

    Because there is such *tons* of incriminating evidence against CAIR, systematically linking and connecting this Islamist organization to its covert agenda, within America, for the express purpose of eventually replacing the American Constitution with *Shariah* Islamist law, and the fact that:

    “Sheet to sheet, the pages of evidence would stretch more than two miles, or the length of about thirty-five football fields. Stacked on top of each other, the boxes of printed material would weigh nearly a quarter of a ton and require a forklift to move it. They include:

    *confidential internal memos; *propriertary minutes of board meetings; *budget reports; * real estate records; * strategy papers; * agendas;
    *employee evaluations,;bank statements, *proposals, *handwritten notes; *letters; *brochures; *spreadsheets; *visitors logs; and *a host of other raw materials not reported by the media or even by law enforcement.”
    (MUSLIM MAFIA, Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America, P. David Gaubatz, Former Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Paul Sperry, Author of Infiltration, Preface, pp.iii-1v).

    “In addition, this book is backed by more than three hundred hours of videotaped footage taken by professionally trained investigators and researchers working undercover inside CAIR’s headquarters, located just three blocks from the U,S. Capitol building in Washington DC.” (Ibid, iv).

    “Together with recently declassified FBI evidence, the internal documents and video surveillance for the first time provide a clear road map to the criminal conspiracy by CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America, and other outwardly benign Muslim organizations to support violent jihad and undermine law enforcement – with the ultimate goal of “eliminating and destroying” American society “from within.” This ‘grand jihad,” as they refer to it in their secret Arabic writings, requires infiltrating our political system and using our religious and political freedoms against us.”

    “Now the tables are turned on the bad guys. For the first time, their own system has been infiltrated.” (Ibid., pp.iv-v).

    In light of this massive pile of evidence, it is no wonder then, that two days ago, CAIR filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., a lawsuit against Chris Gaubatz and his father, “Muslim Mafia” co-author P. David Gaubatz.

    Naturally, CAIR are claiming that the 12,000 pages of incriminating internal evidence was stolen by them. This is an attempt to short-circuit the federal probe into this INFERO of evidence, to play for time, as CAIR and its Islamist cohorts have been found out, it was just a matter of time before it would all come together, and IT HAS!

    HAMAS, that tyrannical organization of TERROR based in Gaza, whose sole intention, as stated in article 7 of its charter, IS to destroy Israel, has deep connections with CAIR in the U.S.

    “During last years’s Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial, FBI agent Lara Burns took the stand to go over wiretap transcripts from a secret 1993 Philadelphia meeting held by HAMAS leaders in America. Federal prosecutors asked her about a passage from Shukri Abu Baker, who recorded talking about the need to form a new front organization to support their “movement,” one seemingly detached from the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Prosecutor Barry Jonas – deputy chief of the Justice Department terrorist financing unit- asked agent burns whether any groups formed after the 1993 meeting fit their description, “CAIR,” she replied.”

    “It has taken fifteen years for all of the extremist baggage to catch up to this self-proclaimed “moderate” Muslim group. But now there is no denying its terrorist roots.” (Ibid., p.42).

    How did this Hamas front all come about?

    “It’s instructive to go back to the beginning days of the Brotherhood movement in America, when the Brotherhood leaders created CAIR’s parent. They called in the Islamic Association for Palestine, or IAP, and there’s no doubt it was a U.S. “front” for Palestinian Jihad against Israel, because that’s the language they used to describe it in their secret manifestos.”

    “Two well-educated, if radicalized, members of the Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee took over the reins of IAP not long after Hamas launched its “blessed Intifada” against Israel in the late ’80s. Omar Agmad and Nihad Awad were born in the same Palestinian refugee camp and they *burned* with *hatred* toward Israel as well as their adopted counry for supporting the Jewish nation economically and militarily.”

    “In 1992, Hamas asked the committee for more American money to finance suicide bombing operations against Israel, complaining its “financial needs” were not being met, “Provide us with what helps us of funds and weapons,” it pleaded in one letter from Gaza Strip. “Weapons, weapons, our brothers.”

    “Jihad in Palestine is different from an Jihad,” the letter continued. “The meaning of killing a Jew for the liberation of Palestine *cannot* be compared to any *Jihad* on earth.”

    “Ahmad dutifully stepped up support. Among other things, he brought in Hamas speakers to IAP conferences to help raise funds and joined them in exalting suicide bombers as martyers for Islam.”

    “Then in October 1993, Ahmad called to order a secret Hamas summit at a Courtyard by Marriott hotel in Philiadelphia. There, IAP and Holy Land officials hatched a scheme to disguise payments to Hamas terrorists and their families as charity. Wiretaps also record them stating the need to *deceive* Americans about the true objective while Hamas launched a campaign of terror attacks.” (Ibid., pp.42-43).

    Yes, its ALL there in RAW evidence, and this is only skimming the surface of the voluminous stacks of *evidence* against these evil Jihadists!


  25. ‘A MEDIA TWINKLE’

    A further peep into the birth of CAIR in the U.S. from inside sources, as earlier posted. All quotation are taken from ‘MUSLIM MAFIA, by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry.

    ” The (Islamic Association for Palestine ) IAP and Holy Land officials worried, however, that the Hamas infrastructure in America was insufficiently equipped to launch a convincing propaganda campaign, Missing was a media office savvy enough to seduce both the American media and the government into looking the other way as they advanced their radical agenda of supporting *violent* Jihad abroad while slowly institutionlizing a *shariah* theocracy at home. They needed a new front group that, in Abu Baker’s words, could give their subversive agenda “a media twinkle.”

    “CAIR is first mentioned by name in Brotherhood documents as part of the July 30, 1994, agenda of the Palestine Committee. This IS the smoking gun linking CAIR directly to the Hamas network inside America. Minutes reveal the purpose of the meeting was to discuss “suggestions to develop [the] work of CAIR” and its “coordination” with the HAMAS triumvirate of IAO, Holy Land ( which shared its Dallas offices with IAP), and the Washington-based United Association for Studies and Research, or UASR. Along with IAP, USAR was co-founded by the deputy chief of Hamas’s political operation, Mousa Abu Marzook, who led the Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee in America before being designated a terrorist by the U.S. He is now considered a fugitive living in Syria.”

    “He and other participants at the July 1994 committee meeting also talked about satisfying the “need for trained resources in the media and political fields” to “exert more efforts in the advancement of the Palestine Cause from the Islamic aspect.”

    “Fittingly, CAIR was incorporated less than two months later, on September 15, 1994.”

    “The group’s leadership was plucked directly from IAP and the Palestine Committee. In fact, all three CAIR incorporators – Ahmad, Awad, and Rafeeq Jaber – have held senior positions at IAP. The *Troika* simply shifted positions to CAIR.. Also, Ibrahim “Dougie” Hooper, a Muslim convert and TV producer also assisted Awad’s media efforts at IAP, became CAIR’s communications director. And Mohammed Nimer, a protege of Marzook at UASR, transfered to CAIR to head up its research department.”

    “It’s one big happy *Islamofascist* family at the new ‘alternative’ front for HAMAS in America.” (Ibid., pp, 44, 45) emphasis added.

    So, to those on this BU thread, who jokingly and stupidly laughed at this revelation weeks ago, either were/are still HEAD buried deep in the sand, with their feet firmly planted in “mid-air” OR, are *Leftist* and or Islamists oriented supporters of this diabolical, wicked, evil, godless agenda spawned by the *Muslim Brotherhood” in Egypt, whose blatant credo, spells out succintly in so many words:

    “Allah IS our goal, the Prophet IS our guide, the Quran IS our constitution, JIHAD IS our way, and DEATH for the glory of Allah IS our greatest ambition.” emphasis added.

    Emphatically, then, as repeated over and over again, the DESTRUCTION of Israel and all Jews, IS their primary target, with the United States following closely behind, and other Western democratic nations, then the whole world must be subdued, if necessary by FORCE to be ruled by *Shariah* Islamic law.

    Logically, it is only rationally expected, that such covert activities, by these Islamist radicals are quietly organizing themselves well within our region; as Hamas is alrady suspected to be in Venezuela, and no doubt already planted within our Caribbean Island chain, mixing and interacting with many of us, appearing ‘harmless’ as we are just small fish in a big world-wide pond, to be ultimately conquered for Allah, the Prophet and their DEATH cult.


  26. …….STTTTUUUPPPPPSSSSSEEEEE!!!!

    If all this is prophesied in the Bible and has to be fulfilled, why harp on it…..just make yourself right and you should be ok.
    Obviously there is nothing anyone can do to change prophecy.

  27. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    โ€œWhy? Do you think that Augustine wanted to be canonized?โ€

    No Dr. โ€˜Anonโ€™, I donโ€™t think Saint Augustine wanted to be canonizedโ€ฆ by the way, welcome to the discussion. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Calling Dictionary an โ€œuntellectualโ€ was quite harshโ€ฆ it is not customary to throw out insults so early in a debateโ€ฆ but I know you are not one to mix words LOL.
    ………………………….

    @BTโ€ฆ you sure you want to use the parable of talents in defense of violent resistance? LOLโ€ฆ I am much more comfortable dealing with the low hanging fruit presented by Zoe and Dictionary than with your questions, nonethelessโ€ฆ

    The parable of talents is not unique in this regardโ€ฆ eight of the parables actually end quite violentlyโ€ฆ the Tares (Matt 13:24-30), Drawing in the Net (Matt 13:47-50), Unmerciful Servant (Matt 18:23-35), Wicked Husbandmen (Matt 21:33-43), Wedding Feast (Matt 22:1-14), Faithful Servant (Matt 24:42-51), Talents (Matt 25:14-30) and the Sheep and the Goats (Matt 25:31-46). We see everything ranging from being thrown into a fiery pit, to being crushed and torn to pieces, as punishment for evildoers.

    How do we reconcile these violent endings with Jesusโ€™ explicit instruction not to return violence with violence?
    You actually touched on the answer in the โ€œWhat Stop What Bullying Whatโ€ thread, when, in one of your responses to me you said…

    โ€œAs to how JC would deal with bulliesโ€ฆ probably turn the cheek, or walk away โ€“ or even allow them to crucify him. But this is because he understood the overall much bigger picture to come in future phases.When the next phase comes- it is THEN that you will see real righteous bullyingโ€โ€ฆ

    You are quite rightโ€ฆ and this โ€˜righteous bullyingโ€™ at the END of phase 1 is exactly what these parables all refer to. The instructions given by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, and the examples he set for how we should respond to persecution and violent aggressors, are rules for living in the here and nowโ€ฆ the gruesome endings described in those eight parables are symbolic of what will happen at the time of reckoning (the endgame) if our house is not in order, and are exclusively within BBE’s jurisdiction… โ€œDearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.โ€ Roman 12:19


  28. Onlookers:

    I observe, sadly, that MME has yet to cogently and substantially address the simple test case of the need for the police and the question of whether a Christian can legitimately be a policeman.

    That should tell us a lot about the significance of Rom 13:1 – 10 and Ac 21 – 23 as already discussed in light of Paul’s status as apostle to the nations appointed by the risen Christ [Ac 9] and acknowledged [cf Ac 15] by the college of apostles in the council of Jerusalem of 48 AD.

    G’day

    D

    PS: Zoe has added some significant developments on the original issue, which we would do well to heed; and to note the onward substantiation in the teeth of the sorts of dismissals that were made in early comments, e.g. NS’s remarks in the very first comment: “A Wing Nut Daily Book.” [Looks like the “wing nuts” have a use after all . . . just check your friendly local hardware store.]

    PPS: Biblical prophecy is not about fatalism, it is about letting us see who is in ultimate control of history despite the raging of rebellious and sinful men, especially those who wield power. It is also an implicit warning to keep out of joining in rebellions and conspiracies against God and his righteous requirements; which in the end will be in vain. [Cf Psalm 2]


  29. FOOTNOTE:

    MME, I invite you to observe with me BBE’s normal way of addressing evildoers under current circumstances; observing the distinction made between personal waspishness and the upholding of the community peace of justice by the delegated power of the sword:
    ______________

    >> Rom 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil; consider what is good before all people.12 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all people.13 12:19 Do not avenge yourselves, dear friends, but give place to Godโ€™s wrath,14 for it is written, โ€œVengeance [ ekdikesis
    Thayer Definition: 1) a revenging, vengeance, punishment] is mine, I will repay,โ€15 says the Lord. 12:20 Rather, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in doing this you will be heaping burning coals on his head.16 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by Godโ€™s appointment,1 and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 13:2 So the person who resists such authority2 resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment 13:3 (for rulers cause no fear for good conduct but for bad [notice the stipulation, i.e the “correct” situation is being specified; thus onward the issue of interposition by magistrates acting correctly defending the public or individuals from those that are doing the opposite, as in Ac 21 – 23 and Daniel Ch 1 etc]). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation, 13:4 for it is Godโ€™s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword [ machaira Thayer Definition: . . . 2) a small sword, as distinguished from a large sword
    2a) curved sword, for a cutting stroke 2b) a straight sword, for thrusting] in vain. It is Godโ€™s servant to administer retribution [ekdikos Thayer Definition: . . . 2) exacting penalty from one
    2a) an avenger, punisher] on the wrongdoer.
    13:5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath of the authorities3 but also because of your conscience.4 13:6 For this reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities5 are Godโ€™s servants devoted to governing.6 13:7 Pay everyone what is owed: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

    13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 13:9 For the commandments,7 โ€œDo not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet,โ€8 (and if there is any other commandment) are summed up in this, โ€œLove your neighbor as yourself.โ€9 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.>>
    _________

    Again, we see the contrast between personal behaviour within the circle of civil peace, and the duty of the civil authority as God’s servant of justice to defend that civil peace from evildoers, domestic or foreign. And, if civil authority is a sphere of service under God, and an ordination of God, then those who acknowledge themselves to be God’s penitent and forgiven servants (having been rebels and resisters against God’s goodness and justice) through faith in the Christ who died for our sins, was buried and rose — with over 500 eyewitnesses [cf 1 Cor 15:1 – 11] — can if they are called to do so serve as God’s servants in government. For instance, in the police force. (And, judging by what just happened in Guyana, we need much more of that!)

    It is on the balance of the counsel of scripture — and the associated common sense understanding of a world of sheep, wolves and armed shepherds who defend the sheep from the wolves even at hazard of their lives (a very biblical image) — that I find it impossible to justify absolutised pacifism either biblically or ethically/ philosophically or on common sense grounds.

    Clearly, we are not to be waspish [living at peace with all insofar as it lies with ours, going the second mile etc], but we must support justice in the community, with taxes and with support for the government authorities armed with the sword to defend justice. And, that is what Paul teaches us. Insofar as later Fathers and theologians have often tended to absolutise pacifism, they are in error; a noble error but a serious one and one with potentially disastrous consequences for the community. As the history of the 1930’s soberly reminds us: there are evil doers who can only be resisted, not reasoned or compromised with.

    Insofar as we might seek to “contain” them diplomatically, only when they have good reason to know that the words of treaties are backed up by swords will they pay any attention to them. For, “the gentiles always break their treaties.”

    D


  30. FURTHER FOOTNOTE:

    MME:

    Peter, on the Christian in society, English majority text version:

    ____________

    >> 1 Pet 2: 11 Beloved, I implore you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from the lusts of the flesh which war against the soul; 12 having your manner of life noble among the Gentiles, so that, whenever they speak against you as evildoers, when they observe the good works, they may glorify God in the day of visitation.

    13 Therefore subject yourselves to every human institution on account of the Lord: whether to the king as [to one] having authority, 14 or to governors, as to those being sent for the punishment [Ekdikesis (Thayer) 1. a revenging, vengeance, punishment In 2 Cor 7:11 — meeting out of justice; doing justice to allparties. See Luke 18:3, 21:22. The word also has the sense ofacquittal and carries the sense of vindication. – Vincent III p. 329 ] of evildoers and for the praise [of those] doing good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may silence the ignorance of foolish men- 16 as free, yet not using freedom as a cover for wickedness, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all [people]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king . . . .

    1 Pet 4:3 . . . we have spent enough of our past lifetime to accomplish the will of the Gentiles-having walked in wantonness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they are surprised that you do not run with them in the same flood of debauchery, reviling you. 5 They will render an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 Unto this [end] was the gospel proclaimed also to those who are dead, in order that they might be judged according to men in [the] flesh, but [that] they might live according to God in [the] spirit . . . . >>

    __________

    You will note just how close that theology is to the teachings of Paul in Rom 13, down to words being used.

    No surprise, 1 Peter was likely composed in Rome [or just possibly in the literal Babylon, then still in business, or in a town more or less a suburb of Alexandria . . . ] , several years after Romans. And Peter’s theology is often surprisingly close to Paul’s. (Maybe that is part of how he knew that here were things in Paul that are hard to understand . . . )

    D


  31. MUSLIM MAFIA.

    Hear a bit more from within CAIR’s executive files.

    “Washington must attempt to understand Islamic movements in the area, and start supporting Islamic groups including Mr, Bin Laden and his associates.”

    -Draft of 2004 talking points memo found in CAIR’s execuative files.

    “It comes as little suprise that a Palestinian terrorist front rule by Palestinian refugees and created from a Palestinian terrorist group would support Palestinian terrorists. But CAIR also supports Al-Qaida and Taliban terrorists, as well as homegrown terrorists who kill cops. It’s a full-service terror support group.” (Ibid., p 50).

    “Entries in CAIR’s visitor register reveal its headquarters has an open door policy for such terrorists. CAIR is the only place in America (outside of criminal defense law firms) where terrorists are valued clients.”

    “Curiously, there are no clients or visitors listed in CAIR’s national register during the month of September 2001. By comparison, numerous visitors made entries during the month of August 2001 and October 2001.” (Ibid., p 53).

    The rock star of the Jihad preaching circuit, Anwar N. Aulaqi, has cultivated some fans amomg CAIR. One Affad Shaikh, who has listened to Aulaqi’s lectures and posted links to his Web site on his blog *Muslamics*. Shaikh, appears to have a death wish.

    “In death there is something to celebrate.” “Our culture of martydom needs to be revived.” the *imam* fumes, “because the enemy of Allah fears nothing more than our *love* of death.” Global domination is the goal. “We will impliment the rule of Allah on earth by the tip of the *sword* whether the masses like it or not.” He has written.” (Ibid., p 62).

    “A senior Homeland Security official warns that Aulaqi, whom he describes as “an al-Qaida supporter” – is actively targeting “U.S. Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen.”

    “Aulaqi also was involed briefly with the Virginia Jihad Network,led by a CAIR official. Before fleeing the country, Aulaqi met with the spiritual advisor to the Virginia Jihadists, whose ringleader, Royer, worked out of CAIR’s national headquarters.” (Ibid., pp 64,65).

    Washington and New York will ‘Tremble’

    “…Maulana Maududi, the late violent Pakistani radical who preached that Islam will destroy the West.”

    “The objective of Islamic Jihad IS to put and end to the dominance of un-Islamic systems of government and replace them with Islamic rule,” wrote Maududi, founder of Pakistan’s religious party Jammaat e-Islami. “A time will come when capitalistic demoncracy will tremble for its safty in Washington and New York,” he ominously warned before the 9/11 attacks on those cities.”

    “CAIR actually uses works by Maududi for internal training, and recommends his book as “sources of *dawah* training material,” according to a document found at its headquarters. Dawah is the Muslim mission to convert others to Islam.” (Ibid, p.77).

    THE GUYANA BUNCH.

    “In a related development, recently declassified U.S. Muslim Brotherhood documents reveal that the Brotherhood in America, which is led in part by CAIR’s founder, has established operations in, of all places, the South American country of GUYANA.”

    “El-Shukrijumah happens to have been raised in Guyana, and some suspect he may be hiding there, if not in Pakistan.”

    “Brotherhood leaders over the past couple of decades have sent money to GUYANA to support an unnamed *imam* and his mosque, and an unidentified “institute,” according to one document.”

    “They’ve also trevelled to GUYANA to visit the “Guyana brothers,” but it’s not immediately known if any of them had contacts with el-Shukrijumahs while traveling there. Known among al-Qaida operatives as the “south American,” el-Shukrijumah has a Guyanese passport, as well as possibly a *Trinidadian* passport. His late father, Sheik Gulshair, was born in Guyana and worked there as a Muslim missionary, helping to establish a mosque with Saudi funding. He also has aunts and uncles who still live there.”

    Including the Caribbean.

    “In that same, little-noticed Brotherhood document listing the 1991-1992 goals of its “South American Committee” ( which includes the CARIBBEAN), the final item on the list , goal No, 169: “Organizing the CARIBBEAN group in cooperation with Sh. New York.” (Ibid., pp. 93-94) emphasis added.

    That info was taken from CAIR documents for the period 1991-1992, goals. Certainly, they have established these Jihadists cells, not only in Guyana, but, only God knows to what extent they are also well planted within our Caribbean region, and right here at home in Barbados!


  32. H’mm:

    Seems the CAIR issue may be directly relevant to our region after all.

    D


  33. PS: Is the recent mass-shooting of 43 soldiers (12 dead) at Fort Hood by a reportedly “troubled” US Army psychiatrist — who lists his nationality as “Palestinian” and who recently was investigated for praising suicide bombers — a related development? [Cf Power Line blog’s report here. The publishers and authors of the Muslim Mafia book that is the prime focus of this blog threadcomment here. Money-quote snippet: >> Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military โ€“ which is too blinded by political correctness to see the threat . . . . Quoting from a classified military briefing, “Muslim Mafia” reveals that this Fifth Column has penetrated “every branch of the U.S. military.” The Islamist enemy has even infiltrated the al-Qaida detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba . . . . “Three years of investigations have revealed the presence of pro-jihad/anti-Western activities among the civilian contractor and military linguist population serving Joint Task Force Guantanamo,” states a copy of the classified Gitmo briefing, which was prepared in May 2009 for the FBI and CIA, as well as the congressional intelligence committees . . . >> ]


  34. In keeping with the fact that these Islamist Jihadists are only a small fraction of the world wide population of Islam, nevertheless, we may have forgotten from history’s pages what minority tyrants have done to multitudes the world over.

    Here’s a reminder from a well respected German psychiatrist.

    A German’s View on Islam.

    “A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. ‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’

    “We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that ISLAM is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrevelent. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somwhow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.”

    “The fact is that the fanatics RULE Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worlwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christians or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact, is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.”

    “Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrevelent.”

    “China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communist managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians, most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.”

    “Who can forget Rwanda, which collaped into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

    “History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, YET, for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrevelent by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.”

    “Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.”

    Oh, how history repeats itself, almost always, because we just don’t listen, do we?


  35. MUSLIM MAFIA.

    “Political correctness had darn near beaten comon-sense police work to death.”

    -Ben R. Furman, former FBI counterterrorism Chief, Detroit.

    I’m sure most of us remember a few days after the 9/11 attacks, President Bush, appeared at the Islamic Center of Washington, standing next to officials representing what appeared to be a innocent, well-meaning group of Muslims, Bush said, with these Muslims standing at his side.

    “It is my honor to be meeting with leaders who ‘FEEL’ just the same way I do…They’re outraged, they’re sad. They love America just as much as I do.”

    Bush was so deceived, just like many high ranking officials at the FBI, Police, and the very Department of Homeland Security.

    Let us learn a bit more from inside CAIR’s devious plans to gradually infiltrate, even the very White House.

    “Cameras captured the Muslim leaders rubbing shoulders with the President during an ill-advised photo opportunity, which unfortunately was just one of many that provided CAIR and other Muslim mob boses with valuable political insurance.” (Ibid., p 100).

    “CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad stands to the President’s left,” CAIR notes below a treasured photo of Bush and Awad that the group has posted on its Web site. It offers proof that “CAIR officials have met or regularly meet with U.S. presidents.” And therefore can’t possibly be in league with terrorists.”

    “The radical front group is even prouder of its engagement with federal law enforcement. It’s a relationship based for the most part on threats and appeasement, however, with CAIR charging cultural insensitivity or outright discrimination, and federal authorities bending over backward to prove otherwise.”

    “On its Web site, CAIR clucks about senior FBI officials attending its annual banquets, and senior CAIR officials huddling with FBI brass at the J. Edgar Hoover Building inWashington.”

    “CAIR has established a status of enviable prestige within [the] highest echelons of the “Washington establishment,” the group brags.”

    “While CAIR has been known to exaggerate, its boast are all too true in this case. In fact, CAIR’s hostile information campaign against the feds has been so successful that both the FBI and Homeland Security have invited it to conduct sensitivity training seminars for their agents, a dangerous disinformation campaign designed to desensitize police to the threat from Islamic terrorism.”

    “How did this happen? After 9/11, the PC-addled FBI- the organization that’s suppose to be on the front line in our domestic defense against terrorists and their supporters, made outreach to CAIR and other dubious Muslim groups a top priority, and even tied senior level performance bonuses to outreach activity.”

    “In perhaps the ultimate concession, headquarters recently proposed sending agents on field trips to area mosques allied with CAIR and its sister group ISNA for cultural awareness education. The FBI also offered to sponsor special summer camps for Muslim youth, internal burea documents reveal.”

    “The FBI praises CAIR’s dedication in representing the heart of the Muslim American community.” the agency gushed in one congratulatory letter to CAIR.” (Ibid., p. 101).

    CAIR, and these deceitful, vicious Muslims, whose sole purpose and intent, was to quietly befriend from the very President, FBI, Homeland Security officials, et al, giving the impression that they ‘love’ America, all the while working behind the scenes, with their *deadly* Muslim Brotherhood brothers, in the Middle East, just waiting and planning, at the right moment, to *TERRORIZE* America with Jihad!

    “But then in summer of 2008, the bureau suddenly stopped blowing kisses to CAIR. And the group’s unfettered political acccess, and blanket immunity, came to an abrupt halt.”

    “During a previous search of a terrorist suspect’s home in the Washington suburbs, agents with the FBI’s Washington field office discovered a trove of secret documents naming CAIR and other “mainstream” groups as part of a Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy to suppor and infiltrate the American system from within. The documents were entered as evidence in the largest terror-financing case in American history, and prosecutors listed CAIR among the front groups participating in the conspiracy.”

    “The listing reopened the debate over CAIR’s terror ties, and made outreach to CAIR politically untenable for the bureau, as much as some politically correct higher-ups wanted it to continue. Fresh evidence also emerged triggering a closer look at CAIR’s executives and their connections to HAMAS , namely, CAIR’s founding chairman Omar Agmad and its active director Awad. CAIR’s legal defense team tried to flash the group’s grip-and-grin photos with President Bush as proof it was not radical, but the federal judge hearing the case was not impressed. He left CAIR on the government blacklist.”

    “We were laughing about that one in the office,” says a senior FBI agent in the Washington field office. “We said we wouldn’t have to dig very deep and we can get you a picture of Alamoudi standing with Bush as well, and that guy is sttting in the pen.” Abdurahman Alamoudi, another Muslim Brotherhood leader and a former CAIR advisory board member, schmoozed Washington politicians while secretly raising millions for al-Qaida, and is now serving twenty-three years in federal prison for plotting terroism.” (Ibid., pp. 101-102).

    No one, is beyond deception, BUT, truth, confirmed by facts and evidence will ALWAYS prevail, one way or the other!


  36. They’ve done it again! Just a few months before 9/11 John Miller from NBC…? interviewed Bin Laden….? in some cave in the Graveyard of Empires, then 3 building in Babylon imploded.

    What do we have today? Another muslim being accused of another mass murder! Just after someone put out a report on CAIR!

    More smoke n’ mirrors! I smell another stinking rat. Somewhere, somehow, something is going down!


  37. “Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military ”

    +++

    Did not take long for the fear mongering and hate mongering to start.


  38. WND falsely claimed alleged Fort Hood shooter “advised Obama transition”

    Details here:

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200911060011


  39. Onlookers:

    It should be clear that Hopi and NS are in need of a reality check, in light of previous article details, some of which were excerpted Nov 6 4:20 am.

    Especially as there is evidence of a Muslim Brotherhood campaign of penetration and there is a record of specific incidents of attacks [a fragging incident in Kuwait cmes to immediate mind] and manipulation of translations and of even spying. Facts are stubborn things, and the reality of covert penetration by opposite forces in a war is a reality of war; not a stirring of hate or bigotry. (Mind you there is also a problem of Cripps and Bloods penetration in the US armed forces, and other similar problems too.)

    In short, we see here the repeated resort to malicious atmosphere-poisoning accusations again; in a context where there has been failure to apologise for previous false accusation.

    A good start to reality checking is Mark Steyn at NRO:

    ____________

    >> Friday, November 06, 2009

    Shooting Raises Fears For Sanity Of Entire Western World [Mark Steyn]

    The Headline of the Day, from the BBC:

    Shooting Raises Fears For Muslims In US Army

    Really? Right now the body count stands at:

    Non-Muslims 13
    Muslims 0

    I was reading from some of this kind of coverage on the Rush Limbaugh show today. Even if you are concerned that it would be terribly unfair if all Muslims were to be tarred by Major Hasan’s brush, it is, to put it at its mildest, the grossest bad taste to default every single time within minutes to the position that what’s of most interest about an actual atrocity with real victims is that it may provoke an entirely hypothetical atrocity with entirely hypothetical victims. I refer you yet again to this note-perfect parody:

    British Muslims Fear Repercussions Over Tomorrow’s Train Bombing

    This kind of media coverage is really a form of mental illness far more advanced than whatever Major Hasan’s lawyers eventually enter in mitigation, and apparently pandemic, at least among the western media.

    On a related note, from David Horowitz: “Is everybody out of their mind?”

    Bonus: “We’re the ones who love death – our own.” >>
    ______________

    Power Line’s Hinderaker has a useful comment too:

    ______________

    >> Living in a World Gone Mad
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    November 6, 2009 Posted by John at 6:40 PM

    Mark Steyn, at The Corner:

    The Headline of the Day, from the BBC:

    Shooting Raises Fears For Muslims In US Army

    Really? Right now the body count stands at:

    Non-Muslims 13
    Muslims 0

    …Even if you take the view that it would be grossly unfair if all Muslims were to be tarred by Major Hasan’s brush, it is, to put it at its mildest, the grossest bad taste to default every single time within minutes to the position that what’s of most interest about an actual actrocity with real victims is that it may provoke an entirely hypothetical atrocity with entirely hypothetical victims.

    The BBC article is actually worse than the headline. There is, though, a certain black humor to this kind of news coverage. For example:

    Kamran Memon of the organisation Muslims For a Safe America says the subject splits America’s Muslim community down the middle.

    “Those at one end of the spectrum say we should have nothing to do with the US armed forces as they are involved in wars with our fellow Muslims abroad,” he told the BBC.

    “Those at the other end say we should definitely serve and help defend our country against those who wish to attack it.

    “There is no easy answer to this.”

    It’s a puzzle, all right.

    Mr Memon says the vast majority of Muslim citizens in America are “able to live peaceful lives”, even though they have probably suffered some discrimination, if only a hostile look, since the 11 September 2001 attacks.

    Raise your hand if no one has given you a hostile look since 2001. I actually get a lot of them, but then, I’m a lawyer.

    However, there have been some high profile incidents in recent years that have fuelled tensions.

    At a camp in Kuwait, as his unit prepared to move into Iraq in March 2003, Sergeant Hasan Akbar threw hand grenades and opened fire on a tent full of sleeping soldiers in the early hours of the morning.

    Yes, that could tend to fuel tensions. Maybe even lead to a hostile look. Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for that hypothetical atrocity, as Mark put it, with its hypothetical victims. >>

    D

    PS: Going back to the new incident, it is being reported 9adni saw an earlier report under Drudge] — subject to confirmation or disconfirmation of course — that Major Hasan gave out the traditional war cry of muslim warriors before shooting:

    >> Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan reportedly shouted the familiar Islamic phrase asserting the supremacy of Allah, “Allahu Akbar,” before he killed at least 13 fellow soldiers and wounded 28 at Fort Hood in Texas, according to the base commander.

    Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told reporters he’s received unconfirmed reports that Hasan uttered the Arabic phrase meaning “Allah is the greatest.”

    The father of one of the soldiers who was at a staging area for medical and dental checks said she heard the shooter exclaim “Allahu Akbar” as he opened fire, reported KSL-TV in Salt Lake City.

    She described the incident as an attack by terrorists.

    KSL did not identify the family, saying they agreed to talk on condition of anonymity, because they feared their daughter could get in trouble with her superiors. >>

    This, if confirmed, would be consistent with a terrorist attack by a jihadist sympathiser.

    As long since noted this is a minority faction in Islam, and in fact the vast majority of their victims over the years are fellow muslims [who they conveniently reclassify as apostates and heretics; as former jihadist Hassan Butt of the UK reminded us some years ago].

    PPS: Media Matters vs WND. A check at Wiki will show that MM is:

    >> a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded in 2004 by journalist and author David Brock. Media Matters for America describes itself as “a web-based, not-for-profit, progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.” Media Matters for America defines “conservative misinformation” as “news or commentary presented in the media that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda.” >>

    In short, it is an anti-conservative PR operation, which from that perspective would take in a libertarian news-site. (From WND’s perspective it is Libertarian as opposed to Conservative; i.e. it has an intrinsic suspicion of government powers [tends towards anarchism but recognises, perhaps grudgingly that some govt powers are necessary . . . IMHO, this is contrary to Rom 13:1 – 10], not just a rejection of particular left-leaning policies as conservatives tend to have.) That should be noted in evaluating its claims.

    PPPS: WND report claims. A check of the relevant taskforce report — subntitled: PROCEEDINGS REPORT OF THE HSPI PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TASK FORCE April 2008-January 2009 — indicates that in the list of workshop participants p. 29 there is a certain >>Nidal Hasan
    Uniformed Services University School of Medicine.>> In reporting on this, Corsi of WND states:

    ______________

    >> NEW YORK โ€“ Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday’s massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama’s transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.

    The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled “Thinking Anew โ€“ Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 โ€“ January 2009,” in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant . . . .

    Daniel Kaniewski, deputy director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University affirmed to WND in a telephone interview this morning that the Nidal Hasan listed as attending the meetings of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force was the same person as the alleged shooter in the Fort Hood massacre.

    Kaniewski said Hasan attended the meetings in his capacity as a member of the faculty of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, not as a member of the HSPI Presidential Task Force.

    Kaniewski believed Hasan applied on the institute’s website to attend the meeting and was accepted because of his professional credentials.

    Kaniewski could not tell WND whether or not Hasan made comments from the audience that influenced the task force recommendations or not.

    He further confirmed Hasan had attended several meetings held by the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University and that the institute is currently searching conference records to see if it is possible to determine what additional institute conferences he attended . . . .

    EDITOR’S NOTE: Shortly after this story was posted, the Huffington Post ran a piece claiming WND was attempting to “smear” President Obama by naming him “as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Ft. Hood yesterday.”

    However, Hasan is being reported as a participant in the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute’s Presidential Transition Task Force, not as a member, noting the group was a university think-tank, not part of the Obama administration official transition team.

    Further, the institute’s deputy director is quoted saying he is unable to say if Hasan made any input to the group’s final recommendations.

    Other participants in the task force included many members of congressional staff who work with both the House and Senate homeland security committees, as well as staff from the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice. >>

    ______________

    Onlookers should be able to assess the claims and counterclaims for themselves in light of the actual substance of what WND reports and the underlying phone interview and documentation. (I think the first paragraph of Corsi’s report is overblown, but that the underlying point that we have a case here of one who — based on the recent incident at Ft Hood –may well have acted as a jihadi terrorist being in meetings that did set out to advise on future policy on terrorism and related matters. that does tend to give credence to concerns on jihadist infiltration of US Govt and related thinktanks and initiatives.)


  40. FOOTNOTE: This report in the London Sun, may be helpful for those trying to get a handle on the facts of the case.

    Money-shot scoop-outs:

    ____________

    >>A WOMAN traffic cop was hailed a heroine yesterday after bringing the Fort Hood massacre to an end with a bloody gun fight.

    Sgt Kimberly Munley, 34, was shot in the leg by crazed army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan – but still managed to fell him with four shots.

    The mother of one had stumbled upon the mayhem, which left 13 dead, while on a routine patrol . . . .

    The 39-year-old Muslim is against the War on Terror and is believed to have been investigated by the FBI for more than six months over internet messages praising suicide bombers.

    He was furious that he was going to be sent to Afghanistan on November 28. But he smiled and appeared relaxed just hours before shooting dead 12 soldiers and a civilian worker and injuring 31 others.

    At 6.30am on Thursday he was seen on CCTV at a store on the base buying coffee and hash browns. He wore a traditional white robe and hat he usually donned while off duty.

    He went into work, changed into his uniform and armed himself with two pistols – one of them a semi-automatic. Neither was military issue as soldiers at the base only carry weapons during training exercises.

    At 1.30pm Hasan left his office in the Soldier Readiness Processing Centre, where troops about to be deployed overseas undergo health and dental checks.

    Witnesses said he cried: “Allahu Akbar” – “God is great” in Arabic, and a battle cry often used in al-Qaeda terror attacks . . . .

    After the massacre FBI investigators went to single Hasan’s apartment. Last night they were scouring his computer.

    He is reported to have written: “If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory.

    “Their intention is not to die because of some despair. Their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam.”

    Another read: “To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It’s more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause.”

    Hasam had frequent rows with colleagues about the War on Terror.

    Retired Colonel Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan, said he had warned him about showing support for terrorists.

    He recalled: “He was reacting with open glee at the death of some soldiers by a suicide bomber.

    “I told him, ‘You might not agree with this but this is the army and we are here to serve the country.’

    “He was so outspoken I once said to him, ‘Look, you gotta cool it’.” Lee said Hasan had also repeatedly demanded: “Muslims should rise up against the aggressors” and said he hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Hasan’s cousin Nader claimed the gunman had suffered constant taunts because of his Muslim background and had been troubled by the horrific experiences of his patients.

    Nader said: “He deals with stories and he’d tell us how he would hear things – horrific things . . . >>

    Read the whole account, to get a baseline on both sides.
    ____________


  41. FURTHER FOOTNOTE: I think a read of the thesis here should help gain some serious perspective on what is going on.


  42. MUSLIM MAFIA.

    As I read carefuly the amazing expose of these Jihadists Islamists who run CAIR, I have NEVER, EVER, seen such deliberate, masterfully planned *DECEPTION* the very act of wilfully setting out to to deceive, with such dubious intent to create utter *falsehood* chicanery, double-dealing, fraud, cunning deceit, guile, cozeing, bamboozling, hoaxing, manipulation, and yes, dissimulation of this plan across America, with ONE sole intent and purpose, to *infiltrate* the American political system from the very top, to through the process of gradualism, impose Islamic *Shariah* law on the American society.

    As the facts, from within CAIR’s headquarters become more and more known, even some Muslims are distancing themselves from this dubious organization, out of shame and disgust over what their fellow Muslims have being doing right in the very heart of Washington.

    Notwithstanding the inherent failures of America, these evil Islamists are still allowed due process in law, and are still living and moving about freely, as they try to counter their fate, with more LIES, on top of LIES!

    CAIR’S ARAB PAYMASTERS

    “UAE, sovereign wealth, Qatar, Saudi, you name it. Pick anywhere in the Gulf. This is [CAIR’s] donor now.”

    “If The Council on American-Islamic Relations doesn’t get its money from grassroots members, where does it get its money?”

    “That’s a question even members of Congress are beginning to ask, including GOP Representative Frank Wolf of Virgina, co-chair of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, who recently queried federal agencies: ‘Does CAIR receive contributions from foreign sources?’

    “Only he and other lawmakers aren’t getting clear answers. By IRS law, the identities and addreses if CAIR’s major donors – like those of other tax-exempt nonprofit groups – are kept secret. So the bulk of the Hamas front group’s financing remains shrouded in mystery.” (Ibid., p,164).

    “But there is no doubt that CAIR receives direct funding from foreign sources, including Arab nations tied to the 9/11 plot and other anti-Western terrorism. It’s actively getting major infusions of overseas cash to fund its campaign of deceit.”

    “Of course this is a closely guarded secret at CAIR. Publicly acknowledging it is bankrolled by Arab paymasters would risk raising alarms in Washington that it is controlled by foreign interest in the Middle East, further limiting its access to the political establishment.”

    “CAIR stil insists, despite mounting evidence to the contrary, that it is a ‘grass-roots’ organization’ supported by dues-paying members while strenuously denying it receives foreign cash. In fact, in press releases CAIR has stated unequivocally that it receives no ‘support from any overseas group or government.”

    “Once again, CAIR is dissembling. While there was a time when CAIR got most of its revenue from small American donors and dues-paying members, it’s now bankrolled by a handfull of fat-cat donors and *sheiks* from the Persian Gulf, raising serious questions about its independence and tax-exempt status.”

    “Qatar is where the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, is based. Championed by CAIR as a ‘prominent scholar.” Qaradawi has been banned from entering the U.S. due to his *fatwahs* calling for the killing of American troops and his leadership in a charity blacklisted by the U.S. Treasury as a terrorist organization, Doha-based Qaradawi has referred to CAIR as ‘our brothers there’ in America.”

    WIRE TRANSFERS FROM SAUDI BANKS.

    “Next door in Saudi Arabia, members of the ruling family have transferred hundreds of thousands of dollars in funds directly from their accounts held at the Saudi National Commercial Bank to CAIR’s Citibank account in the U.S., records show.”

    “For instance, Saudi Prince Abdullah bin Mosa’ad in 2007 wired $112,000 to CAIR, according to internal bank records kept by CAIR. ‘CAIR thanks you and HRH Prince Abdullah bin Mosa’ad for this generous contribution to CAIR.” The national office wrote in an email to the prince’s Saudi-based lawyer after varifying the funds were deposited into CAIR’s account.”

    “CAIR’s board recently proposed hiring an’international activities manager’ to help coordinate all the fundraising and other foreign activities. It has even created a special committee on ‘international affairs’ headed by Awad to help tailor its pro-Arab message to American policymakers. To that end, Awad not long ago took a trip to Saudi to meet with the secretary general of the Organization of the Islamic Conference to ‘discuss future CAIR-OIC projects.” The OIC, a Muslim Brotherhood stronghold which promotes the interest of fifty-seven Muslim nations, has defended HAMAS terorists as ‘freedom fighters,’ and rationalized the 9/11 attacks as an act of Muslim ‘frustration’ built up over years of ‘aggression commited by the West.” (Ibid., p. 164-166).

    “The Saudi pipeline to CAIR doesn’t end there.”

    “CAIR also has received at least $250,000 from a Saudi-based bank headed by former director of the Muslim World League, a charity founded by the Saudi royal family and overseen in part by the kingdom’s chief Islamic cleric, himself a government official. Osama bin Laden has identified the Muslim World League a a primary source of al-Qaida funds. Its U.S. offices also were raided after 9/11.”

    “Similarly, CAIR has downplayed revelations that textbooks issued at the Islamic Saudi Academy in northern Virgina teach Muslim children that Judaism and Christianity are false religions. The *madrassa*, which has graduated terrorists, is run by the Saudi embassy.”

    “CAIR actually helps the Saudi embassy spread its hateful ideology. According to correspondence obtained from CAIR’s executive files, CAIR routinely orders religious materials from the embassy to distribute to members and to use in converting to Islam. The request includes volumes of militant interpretations of the *hadith* or reports of the sayings and actions of Muhammad. All three text are *violent* and call for the killing of Jews, Christians, and Muslims who do not adhere to *Shariah*.

    “Bother Nihad Awad, Brother Omar Ahmad, and all the brothers and sisters from CAIR send their ‘Salaam’ and regards to everyone at the embassy.” wrote then-CAIR Operations Director Khalid Iqbal in closing out his order to the Saudis.” (Ibid., pp. 176-177).

    “Far from representing grassroots American interest, CAIR acts as an organ for Arab regimes that have faciliated *terrorist* attacks on America and are fanning a subversive Islamist movement here. Members of Congress who cozy up to CAIR should take heed when its unregistered lobbylists darken their doorways.” (Ibid., p.178).

    CAIR is a blatant outright front for the Islamist agenda, to bring America under Islamic Shariah, one way or the other. No other organization in the history of America, has so deviously infiltrated the American system as has CAIR!

    More to come!


  43. Onlookers:

    Further background information, from two key Islamist memoranda associated with the global Muslim Brotherhood; the first from 1991 for our hemisphere and esp. North America, the second from 1982 for the world.

    This time-frame is also consistent with the observed pattern of developments of the Dawah in the Caribbean, as it first came to public notice through headlines and events and the rise of people adopting distinctly Islamic dress; and as it has now begun to push for supremacy here too.

    We should note too that in recent years, several Caribbean people or descendants have come to prominent exposure in connexion with the global Jihad, ranging from the Shoe Bomber to one of the London bombers, to an Imam gaoled for subversion in the UK to el Shukrijumah and the plotters against JFK airport in NY.

    So, we should consider the relevance to ourselves of:

    1] A strategic infiltration and institutional/ cultural subversion “settlement” — as opposed to immigration — plan memo by “Mohamed Akram,” dating to 1991 for North America, and a part of the Holy Land Foundation trial documents. Read from p. 15 on, for the English translation. Note the statement on point 4 p. 21 of 32:

    >> The process of settlement is a Civilization-Jihadist process, with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Brotherhood, in Arabic — i.e. Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” and destroying its miserable house [NB: classical Islamic teaching divides the world into the house of Islam ( = submission to Allah, his prophet, law and armed state) and the house of war] by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s [= Allah’s] religion is made victorious over all other religions [alludes to Q 9:29, whereby the people of the book (Jews, Christians and by extension other established faiths) are militarily reduced to impoverishing tribute and hopeless humiliation under Islamic rule, i.e. dhimmitude]. Without this level of understanding we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack [i.e. dismisses moderate Muslims as slackers from their mandate under Allah]. But would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.>>

    –> Remember, MB is the parent organisation of Hamas, so “armed struggle” is a part and parcel of the understanding of “Jihad” involved.

    –> Q 9:5 and 29 [cf text here] are the key mandates that drive the vision involved in the Islamist-Jihadist reading adopted by the Muslim Brotherhood etc:

    >>009.005 [the Sword Verse]
    YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful . . . .

    009.029 [The verse of Tribute]
    YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. >>

    –> In that context, the above is a clear statement of general strategy of settlement, internally based subversion, and overthrow; precisely what fifth columnists are about.

    –> Within that context, the actions of Maj Hasan are immediately recognisable as lone-wolf terrorist tactics [if he was a lone wolf] or else if he was a part of a team, Jihad by Bands as described by Coughlin in the Masters thesis linked above.

    –> Lone wolf terrorist tactics come out by the indoctrination of radicalised people, and counting on disturbed individuals taking the message to heart and putting it into action. Such individuals (similar to those who are moving towards suicide or similarly extreme behaviours) usually give off signals, but will often be misinterpreted by those taking a sympathetic or optimistic view — until they explode.

    –> And if we see one swallow, summer is on the way, i.e. if one has reached the pitch of explosion, others may well be nearing that level.

    2] The 1982 Muslim Brotherhood 100 year global subjugation plan, here at Scribd. Recovered in a raid by Swiss police on an Islamist financier’s residence there, and translated.

    Select key points:

    >> This report presents a global vision of a worldwide strategy for Islamic policy [or “political Islam”]. Local Islamic policies will be drawn up in the different regions in accordance with its guidelines. It acts, first of all, to define the points of departure of that policy, then to set up the components and the most important procedures linked to each point of departure; finally we suggest several missions, by way of example only, may Allah protect us . . . . Point of Departure 5: To be used to establish an Islamic State; parallel, progressive efforts targeted at controlling the local centers of power through institutional action.

    Point of Departure 6: To work with loyalty alongside Islamic groups and institutions in multiple areas to agree on common ground, in order to โ€œcooperate on the points of agreement and set aside the points of disagreementโ€.

    Point of Departure 7: To accept the principle of temporary cooperation between Islamic movements and nationalist movements in the broad sphere and on common ground such as the struggle against colonialism, preaching and the Jewish state, without however having to form alliances. This will require, on the other hand, limited contacts between certain leaders, on a case by case basis, as long as these contacts do not violate the [shariโ€™a] law. Nevertheless, one must not give them allegiance or take them into confidence, bearing in mind that the Islamic movement must be the origin of the initiatives and orientations taken . . . .

    Point of Departure 9: To construct a permanent force of the Islamic dawa and support movements engaged in jihad across the Muslim world, to varying degrees and insofar as possible . . . .

    Point of Departure 11: To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today . . . . >>

    _________

    Reality check . . .

    Dictionary


  44. PS: WSJ report on Ft Hood massacre.


  45. A heroine:

    From the WSJ story:

    >>The first 911 calls to the police station on base came in at 1:23 p.m. Officers across the sprawling base sprang into action.

    Kimberly Munley, a 35-year-old police officer, happened to be nearby, waiting for her squad car to get a tune-up, when she heard the commotion. She raced to the scene, according to her boss, Chuck Medley, director of emergency services on base.

    As she rounded a corner, she saw Maj. Hasan chasing a wounded soldier through an open courtyard. He looked as though he was trying to “finish off” the wounded soldier, Mr. Medley said.

    “He looked extremely focused,” said Francisco De La Serna, a 23-year-old medic who had fled the building and was watching the same scene unfold from a hiding spot across the street.

    Ms. Munley’s first shot missed Maj. Hasan. He spun to face her and began charging, Mr. Medley said.

    The time was 1:27 p.m., just four minutes after the initial 911 call.

    Authorities haven’t said precisely how many shots were fired during the running gun battle between Maj. Hasan and Ms. Munley. But one of her shots hit Mr. Hasan in the torso, knocking him to the ground [he was hit at least four times, by Mrs Munley and mark Todd another officer who apparently arrived on the scene after Munley], from the Wiki account]. With that, officials say, she quite likely prevented more injuries or deaths on the base.

    Ms. Munley took two bullets to her legs. Both entered her left thigh, ripped through the flesh and lodged in her right thigh. She also received a minor wound to the right wrist.

    Specialist De La Serna, the medic hiding across the street, sprinted to the scene as the shooting stopped and put a tourniquet on Ms. Munley, who was fading in and out of consciousness, he said. Then he moved to Maj. Hasan, who had a gunshot wound through the chest. Mr. De La Serna described the wounded major as calm and quiet, conscious but weak, a handgun at his side.

    Ms. Munley underwent surgery Thursday night to halt bleeding and faces at least two more operations to remove the bullets in her thigh. Authorities said her husband, a soldier stationed at Fort Bragg, was on his way. Her Twitter account filled with messages of thanks and admiration from strangers world-wide. >>

    D

    PS: I trust this case help clarify the necessity and importance of “sword”-wielding police, per Rom 13:4.


  46. PPS: Forgot. Note the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia Hasan attended in VA, led by an imam who Daily Telegraph lists as “spiritual advisor” to three of the 9-11 hijackers. Accor to DT:
    _____________

    >>Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.

    The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

    Hasan’s eyes “lit up” when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday’s horrific shooting spree.

    As investigators look at Hasan’s motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

    Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

    Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an “al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers… who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen”. >>
    ______________

    Thus, the best explanation to date is that the major was radicalised and became a Jihadist; which also makes sense of this part of Wiki’s report:
    ____________
    >> Hasan entered his workplace, the Soldier Readiness Centerโ€”where personnel receive routine medical treatment immediately prior to and on return from deploymentโ€”at approximately 1:34 pm (CST). According to eyewitnesses he opened fire with two handguns: an FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol and a .357 Magnum Smith & Wesson revolver,[5] at soldiers processing through cubicles in the center and on a crowd gathered 30 minutes before a scheduled college graduation ceremony in a nearby theater.[6] At the start of the attack, Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted “Allahu Akbar!”[4][7][8][9] before allegedly firing more than 100 rounds in the soldier processing center.[10] A medic who treated Hasan said the pockets of his combat fatigues were full of pistol magazines. >>
    _______________


  47. MUSLIM MAFIA HALL OF SHAME

    “The Noble Quran appoints the Muslim as guardians over humanity and grants them the right of *dominion* over the world in order to carry out this sublime commission. It is their duty to establish *sovereignty* over the world.”

    -late Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna, heralded by Ikhwans as an “Islamic martyr” after his assassination in Egypt.

    “Islam wishes to do away with *all* states and governments anywhere which are opposed to this ideology and program of Islam. Islam requires the *earth* – not just a portion, but the *entire* planet.”

    -Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, late Pakistini disciple of al-Banna.

    “No political system or material power should put hinderance in the way of preaching Islam. If someone does this, then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until either he is *killed* or until he declares his submission…Bringing about the *enforcement* of the Divine Law (Shariah) and the abolition of man-made laws cannot be achieved only through preaching. When the above-mentioned obstacles and practical difficulties are put in its way, it has no recourse but to remove them by force…Islam has the right to take the initiative. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions. It is the duty of Islam to *innihilate* all such systems…Jihad in Islam is simply a name for striving to make this system of life *dominant* in the world. Wherever an Islamic community exist which is a concrete example of the Divinely ordained system of life, it has a God-given right to step forward and take control of the political authority so that it may establish the Divine system on earth.”

    -late Muslin Brotherhood leader Sayyid Quth of Egypt, bin Laden’s spiritual father (Milestone).

    “We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America, not through the sword but through dawah [Islamic proselytizing].”

    -current Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born, Qatar-based cleric, 1995.

    “If we put a nationwide infrastructure in place and marshall our resources, we’d take this country in a very short time.”

    -American Muslim cleric Zaid Shakir.

    This is the strategic plan of the Muslim Brotherhood operating within America, “…like Imam Zaid Shakir preach to the Muslim community in America about waging a *cultural jihad* now, and a *violent jihad* later – once the proper “infrastructure’ is in place.”

    “The work we should be doing is laying the infrastructure – the administrative, logistical infrastructure – putting that into place, so that if Allah put us in a situation where we did have to *fight* physically, we could translate that fighting into tangible politica gains.” Shakir advised Muslims during a lecture in the San Francisco Bay area, the contents of which are being revealed publicly here for the first time.” (Ibid., p.259).

    This has been precisely what the Muslim Brotherhood has sought to achieve over the past 15 years within America, cozeing up to law inforcement agencies, FBI, et al, infiltrating Congress, the Department of Homeland Security, Educational Institutions, up to the very White House.

    “This fits with the strategic plan outlined in the Brotherhood’s secret manifesto. It calls for achieving domination in the host country of America in stages, following the strategy of their prophet when he fled Medina.”

    “In the initial stages, when the Brotherhood is weak, the plan is to accumulate power here through peaceful means. Then in the final stages, when the Brotherhood is strong, the plan is to use coercive power – including *violence* if necessary. to take over the government and enforce *Shariah*. The Brotherhood’s plan to *Islamize* America, investigators say, essentially consist of five phases:”

    “Phase I: Establishment of an elite Muslim leadership, while raising *taqwa* or Islamic consciousness, in the Muslim community”.

    “Phase II: Creation of Islamic institutions the leadership can control, along with the formation of autonomous Muslim enclaves.”

    “Phase III: Infiltration and Islamization of America’s political, social, economic, and educational systems, forming a shadow state within the state. Escalation of religious conversions to Islam. Manuipulation of mass media, and sanitization of language offensive to Islam.”

    “Phase IV: Openly hostile public confrontation over U.S. policies, including rioting, and militant demands for special rights and accommodations for Muslims.”

    “Phase V: Final conflict and overthrow (Jihad).” (Ibid., pp.259,260).

    “The Brotherhood is now in Phase III, but patience is key to their strategy. They are willing to waite ‘a hundred years’ to achieve their subversive goal, as Alamoudi put it.”

    “Shakir, mistakenly considered mainstream and moderate by the media, warns that the faithful should be patient and avoid repeating the mistakes of Muslims in other *kaffir* nations who raised their swords too soon and died in vain.”

    “In many places where Muslims are doing jihad and killing, *kaffirs*, this infrastructural work hasn’t been done,” he said. ‘As a result, Muslims are fighting and dying, but there’s very little tangible political benefit as a result of that fighting and dying.”

    “Be smarter than that – “think stragetically”- he advises, Muslim Americans, and hold off on the violent phase until it can ‘translate into political gains.”

    “For now, he says, wage informational and financial juhad, using words and money to defeat the infidels. When the Muslim community’s numbers are large enough and its political ‘infrastructure’ is strong enough, then use bombs.”

    “First infiltrate and convert, then wage *jihad*, he reiterates. Use deception and propaganda, putting on a friendly face, until the tme is right. Then drive the sword into the backs of the enemy.”

    “We have to start doing the real tough, nitty-gritty, unglamorous boring work of developing our organizational and institutional strength in this country,” Shakir said. ‘If we put a nationwide infrastructure in place and marshaled our resources, we’d take over this country in a very short time.” (Ibid., pp. 260, 261).

    And, the Muslim Brotherhood certainly have a willing President in Obama, who either knowingly, or ignorantly, has/is opening many doors for them to infiltrate the system, from the White House, right on down!

    More to come..!


  48. …..’Thus, the best explanation to date is that the major was radicalised and became a Jihadist; which also makes sense of this part of Wikiโ€™s report:

    Is it really the ‘best’?….or the one that more fits your agenda?

    Didn’t take you and your side kick long to jump all over this.

    What find amazing, is that after this incident, all these reports and ‘facts’ are now coming out. It leaves me to wonder what the so called authorities were doing all along…maybe the dead soldiers are just ‘collateral’ damage in the grand scheme of bigger things to come….*sigh*.

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