530 responses to “UN Inquiry Accuses Israel Of War Crimes In Gaza”

1. 

   Christopher Halsall

   September 29, 2009 at 4:52 pm

   
   

   @BU Family et al…

   I have to admit it. I am extremely worried about all our future.

   The reason I am worried is that some (importantly, some in important positions of influence) believe that the world is going to end soon.

   Quoting a Mr. Georgie Porgie (probably not his real name) on another Entry here on BU: “THE BELIEVERS WOULD HAVE LEFT IN THE RAPTURE. If we are wrong, we wont be worse of than you then would we?

   From Mr. Porgie’s above quote, it is clear that some are making a bet. If they are right, they will “escape” to heaven. If they are wrong, they will suffer the same fate as everyone else.

   But… If those who are betting that the world will end soon are wrong, they would have caused a worse situation for everyone.

   What Mr. Porgie is arguing is that it is OK is to take advantage of the system. It is OK to leverage everything he and his can for his and his advantage, no matter the negative impact on others.

   This is what is generally referred to as “the fouling of the commons”.

   Some feel it is perfectly OK to foul the commons. To take advantage of the “system”, and make others take the “downside” so that they might enjoy “upside”.

   I, and *many* others, disagree; simply because it isn’t sustainable. And fundamentally, it is immoral.

   To repeat myself, I am extremely worried….

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   Georgie Porgie

   September 29, 2009 at 5:24 pm

   
   

   To put it as politely as I can CH YOU ARE A BIG LIAR! You are not worried about our future at all, and neither are those of your ilk and persuasion! And you KNOW IT!

   Next, I have no influence in Barbados or anywhere else in the world.

   My belief that the world as we know it is going to end soon, means nothing to you and those of your ilk and persuasion! And you KNOW IT!

   I am not a betting man CH, but I expect to go up in the rapture. And I don’t at all think that I AM WRONG IN THAT BELIEF! OK?

   I can not see how if those who are predicting that the world will end soon are wrong, how we would have caused a worse situation for everyone, or anyone. You guys believe what you want to believe, as you are entitled to do. We are mocked and scoffed at for our right to believe what we wish, but to do so is now fouling of the commons and taking advantage of the “system”!

   You don’t argue at all like a man who pretends to know about Quantum Physics man.
   You are telling me that all the poor people around the world who believe in the God of the Bible are taking advantage of the “system”, and will make others take the “downside” so that they might enjoy “upside?”

   How can a poor believer make someone take the “downside?” How can a poor believer be fundamentally immoral for believing what he chooses to believe- i.e in salvation through grace by faith in Christ?

   How am I taking advantage of the system, by doing a little bit of work here and there , now and again , when I get it. How am I or any believer leverage everything or anything for their advantage. Most believers don have anything to leverage Sir? Most believers around the world are very poor people.

   I ought to be extremely worried that a man who claims to be learned can talk so much nonsense, and be serious while doing so. I ought to be extremely worried that no one on BU except perhaps Zoe has the guts to tell you that you should go and talk into Lowdown’s bio-digester and create some useful energy for the electric grid thereby.

   BT will come in here and tell me that I must open my mind to these faecoliths, and conform to the cosmos diabolicus.

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3. 

   Christopher Halsall

   September 29, 2009 at 5:32 pm

   
   

   @GP: “You are not worried about our future at all, and neither are those of your ilk and persuasion! And you KNOW IT!

   Please don’t tell me what I know.

   @GP… Let me please ask you (yet another) direct question?

   Is, or is not, George W. Bush a “True Believer”?

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4. 

   Ramgoat Liver

   September 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm

   
   

   Worried? Worried? Y’all Worried???

   Too late Hose! With Iran bulking up nuke wise and Afghanistan and Pakistan in the mire,

   Get ready for the ‘rapture’ as GP calls it.

   One BIG Kaboom!!!!!

   Nuff said!!

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5. 

   Ramgoat Liver

   September 29, 2009 at 6:53 pm

   
   

   I think Barbados tourism can make something of this.

   We can have the ‘pre-Big Bang Bash’, a perpetual 24 hour per day, 7 days per week, 52 weeks per year, carnival and street party, to ring out the old and…..well not too sure about the new…

   But, hows about it?

   Advertise worldwide, for people to come and party the final days?

   Cool?

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6. 

   Christopher Halsall

   September 29, 2009 at 7:19 pm

   
   

   @Ramgoat Liver… LOL…

   The list of countries who are know to have nuclear weapons able to be placed on top of long or medium range delivery platforms:

   The US of A. Russia. The UK. France. China. India. Pakistan.

   Those countries who are thought to *possibly* be able to produce a nuclear device (although they will probably have to be delivered by way of a boat or a truck):

   North Korea and Iran.

   (Please note, importantly, that Iraq is not in either list…)

   And to think that there are still those who think that honest discussion is not worthwhile.

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7. 

   Christopher Halsall

   September 29, 2009 at 10:32 pm

   
   

   @CH: “@GP… Let me please ask you (yet another) direct question?

   What’s wrong Georgie Porgie, Zoe, et al…

   Cat got your tongue(s)?

   Can’t you find anything appropriate to cut-and-paste?

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8. 

   Zoe

   September 30, 2009 at 12:08 pm

   
   

   “Nobody Made It”
   Sir Isaac Newton had a replica of our solar system made in miniature. In the center was the sun with irs retinue of planets revolving around it. A sciebtist entered Newton’s study one day, and exclaimed. “My! What an exquisite thing this is! Who MADE IT?” “Nobody! replied Newton to the questioner who wa an UNBELIEVER.” You must think I am a FOOL; of course somebody made it, and he is a genius.”
   Laying his book aside, Newton arose and laid a hand on his friend’ shoulder and said: “This thing is but a punny imitation of a much GRANDER system whose laws you and I KNOW, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a DESIGNER and maker; yet you profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken, has come into being with either designer or maker. Now tell me, by what sort of ‘reasoning’ do you reach such INCONGRUOUS conclusions?”
   -W.G. Polack.

   Astronauts Read Genesis I.

   THE MOON (EP) – On Christimas Eve, somewhere above the forbidding land-scape of the moon, the voices of Frank Borman, James Lovell, and William Anders carried to earth dwellers the story of Creation as found in Genesis 1: 1-10.

   “In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth,” intoned Anders in Apollo 8′ unannounced litany broadcast as the astronauts’ TV camera flashed back a remarkable picture of the deeply shadowed lunar landscape.

   Borman closed the lunar telecast with these words: “Good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas, and God bless all of you upon the good earth.”

   The trio then closed the moonship’s fourth telecast and began preparation for a successful blast out of lunar orbit to return to the “GRAND OASIS IN THE VASTNESS OF SPACE, EARTH.”

   Complete Bible On The Moon.

   And then on February 5, 1970, a microfilm packet containing Genesis I:I in sixteen languages and a complete RSV Bible were deposited on the Moon by Apollo 14 Commander Edgar Mitchell.

   ONLY, “The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrup, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psa, 14: 1)

   Off course we have the ‘Agnostics’ a slighly different brand of FOOL; but just as wilfully ignorant as the Athiest!

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9. 

   Not Saved

   September 30, 2009 at 1:09 pm

   
   

   And another LIE from Zoe………..

   See :

   Who Made It?
   The Isaac Newton Orrery Story: Another Mythic Tale Misused by Creationists – Tom McIver

   Skeptic Magazine
   Volume 10 Number 3

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10. 

    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    
    

    @Not Saved: “See: “Who made it?” The Isaac Newton Orrery story: another mythic tale misused by creationists

    Available at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmske/is_3_10/ai_n29056446/

    …for anyone who’s interested….

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11. 

    Not Saved

    September 30, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    
    

    @CH,

    Thanks

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12. 

    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    
    

    @Not Saved…

    Thank you.

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13. 

    Not Saved

    September 30, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    
    

    Zoe quotes the bible….

    “The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrup, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psa, 14: 1)

    ————–

    Have a look…

    The bible got it wrong.

    Anyone surprised a text written in the bronze age merely by men could get it so wrong?

    Anyone surprised that a book which fails completely to unequivocally condemn slavery could get it so wrong?
    (this one for you, Hopi)

    I am not surprised.

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14. 

    Not Saved

    September 30, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    
    

    There are at least 2 errors in the above referenced video which the author admits in his video information.

    The errors do not detract from the point being made.

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15. 

    Terence M. Blackett

    September 30, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    
    

    @CH

    How about some bedtime reading ole’ chap???

    Many believe that “science” and the “BIBLE” are incompatible but compare these finding from the Evidence Bible…

    1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the “things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”

    2. Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day.

    3. At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: “He…hangs the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7).

    4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: “It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth” (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, it was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote).

    5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: “Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?” (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when “British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing” (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia).

    6. Job 38:19 asks, “Where is the way where light dwells?” Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a “way,” traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

    7. Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: “When the morning stars sang together…”

    8. “Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth” (Time, Dec. 1976).

    9. Solomon described a “cycle” of air currents two thousand years before scientists “discovered” them. “The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits” (Ecclesiastes 1:6).

    10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion. Genesis 1:1, 2 revealed such truths to the Hebrews in 1450 B.C.: “In the beginning [time] God created [power] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter] . . . And the Spirit of God moved [motion] upon the face of the waters.” The first thing God tells man is that He controls all aspects of the universe.

    11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were “bled,” and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood.”

    12. All things were made by Him (see John 1:3), including dinosaurs. Why then did the dinosaur disappear? The answer may be in Job 40:15–24. In this passage, God speaks about a great creature called “behemoth.” Some commentators think this was a hippopotamus. However, the hippo’s tail isn’t like a large tree, but a small twig. Following are the characteristics of this huge animal: It was the largest of all the creatures God made; was plant-eating (herbivorous); had its strength in its hips and a tail like a large tree. It had very strong bones, lived among the trees, drank massive amounts of water, and was not disturbed by a raging river. He appears impervious to attack because his nose could pierce through snares, but Scripture says, “He that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.” In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct.

    13. Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped to 2 percent. Look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: “And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean” (Leviticus 15:13). Until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However, the Bible says specifically to wash hands under “running water.”

    14. Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time.

    15. “During the devastating Black Death of the 14th century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to ‘bad air’ or ‘evil spirits.’ However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this Biblical medical law: ‘The laws against leprosy in Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation’ (A History of Medicine).” Grant R. Jeffery, The Signature of God.

    With all these truths revealed in Scripture, how could a thinking person deny that the Bible is supernatural in origin? There is no other book in any of the world’s religions – (Vedas, Bhagavad-Gita, Koran, Book of Mormon, etc.) that contains scientific truth. In fact, they contain statements that are clearly unscientific.

    Hank Hanegraaff said, “Faith in Christ is not some blind leap into a dark chasm, but a faith based on established evidence.”

    A FULL LIST AT: http://www.newchristian.org.uk/scientificfactsinbible.html

    A complete study resources at: http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

    For the (ALL*) you scientists including my notable BRUVS* GP & ZOE – you will find the following website highly academically informative…

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj

    Good nite* boys and girls!!!!

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16. 

    Georgie Porgie

    September 30, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    
    

    Why do you bother Sir (except for those who are reading and learning in silence)?

    You will now be accused of cutting and pasting (as others do on this blog) and of being incapable of original thought (whem many who come in these threads have NO thoughts at all or thoughts that are scarcely suitable even for the land fill!).

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17. 

    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    
    

    @TMB: “How about some bedtime reading ole’ chap???

    No need for bedtime reading. I can answer below off the top of my head…

    @TMB: “1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms.

    1.A. Only if you consider recent years to be since 1838.

    2.A. No need for an answer.

    3.A. No need for an answer.

    @TMB: “4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round … This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere.

    4.A. The Natural Philosophers of Classical Greece concluded that the earth must be spherical as early as 400 BC. (Anyone who watched a ship depart over the horizon would have concluded this, if they had thought about it…)

    4.A.2. Can you provide supporting evidence of your claim that the reference to a flat disk was instead intended to mean a sphere?

    @TMB: “5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: “Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?” (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light?

    5.A. You’re taking *quite* the leap of faith here TMB…

    But please trust me when I tell you that, yes, I understand that radio waves travel at the speed of light.

    (They are just photons below our ability to perceive them. Aren’t they?)

    6.A. Please see 5.A. above.

    7.A. Again, you’re making quite a stretch. Please see 5.A. above.

    @TMB: “8. Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth” (Time, Dec. 1976).

    8.A. I’m not so sure most cosmologists would agree with this statement.

    @TMB: “9. Solomon described a “cycle” of air currents two thousand years before scientists “discovered” them.

    9.A. But, interestingly, it is (and only) the mathematicians who are able to (somewhat accurately) model the earth’s air currents, using a *whole* lot of computing power.

    9.A.2. It is worth noting that chaos is mathematics was discovered during the work on modelling the weather (read: the Mandelbrot set et al.).

    @TMB: “10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion.

    10.A. Where is energy in your list? Where is uncertainty in your list?

    @TMB: “11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years.

    11.A. Are you familiar with artificial blood? Are you familiar with the importance of haemoglobin? Do you understand why carbon-monoxide is so dangerous?

    @TMB: “12. All things were made by Him (see John 1:3), including dinosaurs. Why then did the dinosaur disappear?

    12.A. I give up. According to you and yours, humans and dinosaurs co-existed….

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18. 

    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    
    

    @Terence M. Blackett…

    Having answered twelve of your questions, please let me ask you one (again)…

    What, if anything, does the Bible say about Quantum Uncertainty?

    Of have you already answered this question with the answer “nothing”?

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    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    
    

    @Georgie Porgie… Nice to see you back.

    Perhaps you missed my direct question to you above. Please let me repeat it…

    @Georgie Porgie…

    Is, or is not, George W. Bush a “True Believer”?

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20. 

    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    
    

    @Gentle reader…

    Mr. Blackett has just cut-and-pasted a great deal of language to support his argument.

    I, personally, don’t cut and paste. I am comfortable arguing my point(s) standing alone.

    I do, however, highly recommend the following publication; targeted towards those who have the intellectual and moral strength to think for themselves…

    http://www.skeptic.com/

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21. 

    Not Saved

    September 30, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    
    

    Terence,

    The Muslims can this game as well as you with the Koran.

    http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1.htm

    You are both equally ridiculous.

    Of course if you are right, then the nobel prize will surely come your way because you can just look up the next great scientific discovery.

    I will look out for you winning the prize.

    By the way, you never answered to which institution that you belong.

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22. 

    Zoe

    September 30, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    
    

    @Halsall & Not Saved; The pronouncement of Almighty God upon such as your Ilk:

    “FOOLS because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted” (Psa. 107: 17).

    “The fear of the Lord IS the beginning of wisdom and instruction” (Pro. 1:7).

    “Wise men lay up knowledge; but the mouth of the FOOLISH is near destruction” (Pro. 10:14).

    “The lips of the righteous feed many, but FOOLS die for want of wisdom” (Pro. 10: 21).

    “FOOLS make a mock at sin, but among the righteous there is favour” (Pro. 14: 9).

    “Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge; but a FOOL layeth open his FOLLY” (Pro. 13: 16)

    ” A FOOL’S lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes” (pro. 18: 7).

    “Wisdom is TOO HIGH for A FOOL, he openeth not his mouth in the gate” (Pro. 24: 7).

    “A FOOL also is full of words; a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him; who can tell him” (Ecc. 10: 14).

    “The wise man’s eyes are in his head; but the FOOL walketh in DARKNESS, and I myself perceived also that one happeneth to THEM ALL” (Ecc. 2: 14).

    What destitute FOOLS you are!

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23. 

    Zoe

    September 30, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    
    

    @CH, “No need for bedtime reading. I can answer off the top of my head”

    That’s obviously why your retort IS so shallow, and void of any meaningful substance!

    That’s also why, “…I am comfortable arguing my point(s) standing alone”

    In your arrogant, blissful, blinded ignorance, you don’t even realize, know, nor understand who IT IS that deceitfully and deceptively leads you along this path! For he has convinced you that he does not exist!

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24. 

    Christopher Halsall

    September 30, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    
    

    @Zoe…

    I am very comfortable being called a fool…

    Particularly by an ignorant idiot….

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25. 

    Not Saved

    September 30, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    
    

    There much to be said for being called a fool by a proven liar.

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26. 

    Zoe

    October 1, 2009 at 9:32 am

    
    

    @ All those silent readers, et al let US NEVER forget, that the real agenda behind Halsall & Not Saved and others of their ilk, in seeking to defend Naturalistic Evolution; IS NOT true science AT ALL, but a psuedo-science fiction, or as Professor Richard Lewontin openly opined:

    “We take the side of science in spite of the PATENT ABSURDITY of some of its constructs in spite of its failures to fulfill many of ITS EXTRAVAGANT promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for JUST-SO STORIES, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism (atheism), it is that the methods and institutions of science, somehow complel us to accept a material explanation of the PHENOMENAL world, but, on the contray, that we are FORCED by our priori adherence to material causes (blatant atheism) to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts (however false and absurd) that produce material explanations, NO MATTER how COUNTERINTUITIVE, no matter how MYSTIFYING to the uninitiated.”

    “Moreover, that materalism is absolute, for WE CANNOT ALLOW a DIVINE FOOT IN THE DOOR.” emphasis added.

    The real purpose and agenda is emphatically revealed by the last paragraph, “…WE CANNOT ALLOW A DIVINE FOOT IN THE DOOR.”

    Lewontin, Halsall, NS, et all, seek with vengeance to write Almighty God out of the Universe He Created and sustains; then proagate their true agenda, which IS, in fact, a PHILOSOPHICAL ideology of rampant, RABID, RANCID, ATHEISM, couched, veneered, and convoluted in a MAZE of pseudo-scientific jargon, which continues to deceive many who simple have not taken the time to examine the FACTS, the preponderance of which overwhelmingly SUPPORT and CONFIRM the Creationist model as outlined in God’s Word, the Bible in Genesis 1 and 2.

    The blatant LIE of evolution is HOGWASH, and when the window dressing is stripped away, every manjack will know what you are proposing, masquerading under the guise of counterfeit, bogus, science.

    Who ARE the real LIARS?

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    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    
    

    @Zoe…

    Your position appears to be in direct opposition with the Vatican…

    “VATICAN CITY — A professor at a Vatican-sponsored university expressed dismay Tuesday that some Christian groups reject the theory of evolution — implicitly criticizing the literal interpretation of the Bible.

    Please see http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424942,00.html

    @Zoe: “Who ARE the real LIARS?

    Good question….

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28. 

    kiki

    October 1, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    
    

    The Meditations
    – Much Smarter.

    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/much-smarter/

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29. 

    Zoe

    October 1, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    
    

    @CH, “Your position appears to be in direct opposition with the Vatican.”

    Absolutely, not only re evolution, but in its maze of FALSE doctrine, Roman Catholicism and the Vatican, ARE NOT a Christian church; IT IS the mose vile, wicked, religious/political institution to EVER to be granted existence on earth. Catholicisn HAS DONE more harm to the cause of Christ, and His Gospel, than any other institution!

    @ Not Saved, I AM NOT A LIAR, because I inadvertently ‘quoted’ from an Encyclopedic source, covering a wide range of subjects, without knowing that the reference to Newton was not accurate, DOES NOT MAKE ME A LIAR, it is the person who wrote the statement that I quoted, that should be held up for such misinformation!

    However, the principle of the story, the very import of what it conveys IS SOUND!

    I destest LIARS, so STOP making this false accusation against me!

    It is one thing to call someone ignorant, stupid, moronic, etc, but when I genuinely make an inadvertent error, that DOES NOT constitute being liar!

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    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    
    

    @Zoe: “I AM NOT A LIAR, because I inadvertently ‘quoted’ from an Encyclopedic source, covering a wide range of subjects, without knowing that the reference to Newton was not accurate

    Generally when you quote someone, you know that they are correct.

    Generally you are using the quoted source(s) to support your argument(s), and are thus putting your name behind what they say.

    @Zoe: “Encyclopedic source…

    You have just shown that the source you referenced is not that authoritative.

    @Zoe: “However, the principle of the story, the very import of what it conveys IS SOUND!

    An unsubstantiated leap of faith.

    @Zoe: “I destest LIARS, so STOP making this false accusation against me!

    Please correct me if I’m wrong…

    But have you not called many of us the insulting word “Fools” on this very Blog Entry?

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31. 

    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    
    

    @Zoe: “I destest LIARS, so STOP making this false accusation against me!

    @Zoe: “Who ARE the real LIARS?

    I remember reading somewhere…

    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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32. 

    Not Saved

    October 1, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    
    

    Not only are you a liar but you are fraud.

    How many words did you insert into the quote of Lewontin?

    Does Lewontin accept your creationist nonsense of does Lewontin consider evolutionary theory the “foundation of biology”?

    Which is it?

    Did you quote him from a published scientific paper or was it from a book review of a populist science book by Carl Sagan where the context was to make criticism of Sagan’s triumphal view of Science and NOT criticism of evolutionary biology.

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33. 

    Not Saved

    October 1, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    
    

    Zoe says :

    “Roman Catholicism and the Vatican, ARE NOT a Christian church”

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    I suspect that may come as a surprise to quite a few people.

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    Jack Bowman

    October 1, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    
    

    Zoe,

    First, best wishes to you.

    Second, you are misinterpreting the subtext of Ecclesiastes and your pastor should have counseled you better on both Psalms and Proverbs. S/he should certainly have alerted you to Corinthians and the Timothy letters.

    For is it not WRITTEN in Psalms (3:4) that there will come a sub-WAY, and shall it not displace the Chef/et as Ezekial (9:2) forewarned? Certainly Leviticus 2:7 abjures tobacco, but both Timothy and Corinthians are silent on this matter and many theologians have argued that Exodus 4:9 finds it to be true that the Lord is okay with the occasional Malboro Light, though not in excess (as Kings 9:1) of course warned us. Though even Kings is silent on Pall Mall lights.

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    Not Saved

    October 1, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    
    

    @Terence,

    You have referenced your “colleagues” at UCL and Kings College and your “colleagues” at the “Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences”

    Care to tell us to which institution you are attached?

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36. 

    kiki

    October 1, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    
    

    Blessed are the meek! Oh, that’s nice,
    innit? I’m glad they’re getting something
    because they had a hell of a time

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37. 

    Zoe

    October 1, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    
    

    @Not Saved, “Does Lewontin accept your creationist nonsense or does Lewontin consider evolutionary theory “foundation of biology?”

    Let Lewontin’s own words judge him by what he said openly, in the context of what he clearly intended to convey, and exactly was it that he explicitly implied?

    “We (evolutionists) take the side of science in SPITE OF THE PATENT ABSURDITY of some of its constructs in SPITE of its FAILURES to fulfill many EXTRAVAGANT promises of health and LIFE; in spite of the TOLERANCE of the scientific community for JUST-SO STORIES…”

    What does ABSURDITY mean?

    “1. Wild inappropriateness or incongruity. 2. extreme unreasonableness. 3. an absurd statement or act.” ( The Concise Oxford Dictionary).

    What does JUST-SO mean?

    1. exact arranged (they like everything just-so). (Ibid).

    And, understanding language, and the specific WORDS used by Lewontin, for he did NOT hide the obvious intent of what he was saying, clarified by his carefully chosen words, and what are they?

    “Moreover, that materalism is absolute (LIE!) for WE CANNOT ALLOW a DIVINE FOOT IN THE DOOR” As this would expose “…the PATENT ABSURDITY “…of some of its constructs…”

    Lewontin, could NOT have been more honest, IN exposing the PATENT ABSURDITY of ‘…some of its constructs…” And why was this agenda of much pseudo-science ‘created’ as Lewontin clearly revealed, which is true,

    “…For WE CANNOT ALLOW A DIVINE FOOT IN THE DOOR”

    What does Extravagant mean?

    “3. exceeding normal restraint or sense; unreasonable, ABSURD,” (Ibid.,)

    Most certainly not, Lewontin and his ilk of God-HATERS’ must continue to “…create an apparatus that produce material explanations, NO MATTER how COUNTERINTUITIVE, NO MATTER how mystifying to the uninitiated.”

    Come now, Mr. Not Saved, who is the LIAR and FRAUD?

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38. 

    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    
    

    @Zoe: “Come now, Mr. Not Saved, who is the LIAR and FRAUD?

    In *this * particular context, I personally am very comfortable saying that *YOU* are a LIAR AND A FRAUD based on your above.

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    Zoe

    October 1, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    
    

    EVOLUTION, is a ‘theory, a blatant LIE, in CRISIS; whose only support, IS PSEUDO-SCIENCE!

    Evolution, is really an entirely ‘humanistic’ philosophy, LYINGLY clothed in the guise of pseudo-science!

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    Zoe

    October 1, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    
    

    @ CH, The very NATURE of your ‘spiritual ‘father’ IS that of a LIAR and a FRAUD, so you CANNOT be expected to say otherwise, you SPEAK what your ‘father’ inspires you to SAY!

    He HAS you by the BALLS; just like the other LIAR and FRAUD!

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41. 

    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    
    

    @Zoe…

    Since you obviously are incapable of thinking or arguing outside of your own “safe” harbour”…

    Let me please ask anyone who might be able to speak to this:

    Is there anywhere in Barbados where one might purchase books written by Richard Dawkins?

    By Neil Stevenson?

    By Arthur C. Clarke?

    By William Gibson?

    By Roger Penrose?

    By Dan Simmons?

    By Terry Pratchett?

    Is there anywhere in Barbados where one might borrow any books by any of the above authors (read: a Library)?

    If not, why not?

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42. 

    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    
    

    @Gentle reader…

    I happened to witness a Barbados CBC News broadcast tonight. I happened to observe a current minister saying something along the lines of “leaders are special people” and that “special people read”.

    But, interestingly, we seem to find ourselves constrained in what we read….

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43. 

    Terence M. Blackett

    October 1, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    
    

    @ZOE
    “Is there anywhere in Barbados where one might borrow any books by any of the above authors (read: a Library)? If not, why not?

    Good evening …

    The simple answer is that all these English, American and Canadian writers are a bunch of “fantasists” writing hocus pocus as serious scholarship and having marketing depts. in the various publishing houses pushing the CRAP* as intelligent literary discourse….

    Good thing none of these “bloody” books are stocked in Cave Shepherd or any of the bookshop in BIM*…

    If Bajan are going to read – let them concentrate on books which will enlighten and inspire…

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44. 

    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    
    

    @Terence M. Blackett… Good evening. I know it is late in English, from where you write…

    @TMB: “Good thing none of these “bloody” books are stocked in Cave Shepherd or any of the bookshop in BIM*…

    So are we to understand that from your perspective it is a “good thing” that Bajan et al are constrained in what they read?

    @TMB: “If Bajan are going to read – let them concentrate on books which will enlighten and inspire…

    I respectfully disagree.

    I would instead argue that anyone trustworthy of their faith would be willing to let others read about, discuss, and argue about alternative belief systems…

    @TMB… I assume you are trusting of your belief system?

    @Gentle reader… It is interesting to note that Science Fiction and Science Fact literature is generally unavailable as a retail product here in Barbados….

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45. 

    Terence M. Blackett

    October 1, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    
    

    @BU FAMILY*

    Is this thread going to end or what?

    Just got in to turn on my computer to find all this banter going on…

    What is the point guys….

    You guys have a lot of “flippin’ time on your hands…

    How about some charitable work folks?

    HABITAT FOR HUMANITY is building some homes in Durban South Africa in 3 and half weeks time – any volunteers?

    I didn’t think so!!!

    I recognize I have some questions posed to me by @CH, @NS and others but listen guys – some things are NOT* worth the unnecessary argument….

    For the @NS who keep posing the question almost pathetically about what “institution” I am affiliated with – (let’s just say I work for the government)…LOL!!!

    @ ZOE & GP – I admire the profound knowledge you guys possess on many matters – keep up the good fight and hold fort…

    BU has become the last bastion it seems for free speech and social expression on the internet – well I guess that’s a PLUS (I think!)

    Again, I reiterate the age old maxim – knowledge is power but wisdom come from GOD* and it takes men of understanding to separate truth from error (a journey that will take a lifetime for many).

    Good nite* folks but it is 01.10am…Time for any self-respecting person to lay down with his better half…

    The last person out – PLEASE turn out the lights!!!

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46. 

    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    
    

    @Terence M. Blackett: “Is this thread going to end or what?

    Sorry to keep you up Mr. Blackett….

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    Christopher Halsall

    October 1, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    
    

    @Gentle reader…

    Empirically, Mr. Blackett is now blissfully sleep in his (one might reasonably infer) comfortable bed in England…

    Meanwhile, there are those of us upon which the sun doesn’t set who are denied easy and free access to books which are contrary to Mr. Blackett et al beliefs.

    Hmmm….

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48. 

    Not Saved

    October 1, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    
    

    @ Terence:

    “For the @NS who keep posing the question almost pathetically about what “institution” I am affiliated with – (let’s just say I work for the government)…LOL!!!”

    ———–

    So when you reference you “colleagues” at those reputable institutions and a certain “Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences”, this is done to mislead?

    My question may be pathetic but what should we think of your response? touched a nerve it would seem.

    It would seem you and Zoe have much in common and it is more than just religion.

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49. 

    Not Saved

    October 1, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    
    

    @Zoe,

    Zoe finally writes something intelligent when he says above….

    “Let Lewontin’s own words judge him by what he said openly, in the context of what he clearly intended to convey, and exactly was it that he explicitly implied?”

    ===================

    I agree Zoe lets see what Prof. Lewontin has to say. Here here is when talking about evolution (and not being quoted out of context in a book review)

    “It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a FACT, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution………………
    ……………. It is a FACT that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.”

    R. C. Lewontin “Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth” Bioscience 31, 559 (1981)

    So tell us Zoe, does Prof Lewontin accept your creationist nonsense as you try to imply?

    I agree, lets judge him by his own words.

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50. 

    Zoe

    October 1, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    
    

    @ Terence to Halsall,

    “The simple answer is that *ALL* these English, American and Canadian writers are a *BUNCH* of ‘fantatists’ writing hocus pocus.. (*HOGWASH* Halsall!)… and having marketing depts, in the various publishing houses pushing *CRAP* as intelligent literary discourse.” PERIOD!!!

    Thank God, hopefully, NONE of these books are available in book stores in B’dos, we DON’T want this POISON to destroy our brains, re critical thought, which you think you have, when in fact, your are CRITICALLY IMPAIRED mentally, through the CRAP that you have ingested!

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