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Binyamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel
Binyamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel

A United Nation inquiry has made the claim that Israel engaged in:

…a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorise a civilian population in Gaza.

It further asserted that some individuals should face:

…individual criminal responsibility and both Hamas and the Israeli committed war crimes and possible crimes against humanity…

Although the inquiry subjected Hamas to censure it was not as severe as that on Israel. The conflict Dec 2008 – Jan 2009 – debated on BU ( Barbados Underground)  – was as a result of tunnels built by Hamas to circumvent the Israeli blockade being bombed by Israel.  Hamas intensified their belligerence and fired rockets into Southern Israel in retaliation, causing panic in the civilian population.  In the resultant war when the Israeli Military crossed into Gaza, in excess of 1,300 Palestinians were killed including 320 children, official figures gave the Israeli death toll as 20.

Due to the high number of Palestinians who lost their lives and the disproportionate force used by Israel with consequent civilian damage in Gaza, pressure was put on the UN to conduct an inquiry. The UN chose the  experienced and respected South African Judge Richard Goldstein, he came with a background  suited to the task.  “He was the Chief Prosecutor for the United Nations International Criminal Tribunals for the Yugoslavia and Rwanda from 15 August 1994 to September 1996. He was a member of the International Panel of the Commission of Enquiry into the Activities of Nazism in Argentina ( CEANA ) established in 1997 to identify Nazi war criminals who had emigrated to Argentina.”

The UN inquiry has called for an independent investigation, if this is not done the matter should be referred to the International Criminal Court.

Israel has been robust in their defence of the military action taken in Gaza.  Saying their accusers are against Israel, this is not surprising as the allegations against Israel are serious indeed: the inquiry noted  “Grave breaches” of the fourth Geneva Convention and of a war crime for using Palestinians as human shields.”

It is difficult to understand the reasoning behind Israel’s claim that the accusers are against Israel.  Richard Goldstein – chairman of the UN inquiry – is Jewish and a very experienced Judge, with close ties to Israel.

Mark Regev the Israeli government spokesman has said:…”the Israeli Government is conducting its own investigation into the conflict”.  However, Judge Goldstein responded that ” the Israeli investigations are being conducted behind closed doors and as such are not to an “acceptable standard”.

Israel’s Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu condemned the report as a “kangaroo court”, a charge which does not carry much credence because the Israeli Government refused to participate in the UN investigations…thus having no  input.

Judge Richard Goldstein’s daughter with less hyperbolic language is reported to have said:

“My father is a Zionist who loves Israel.”

“I know better than anyone else that he thought however hard it was to accept it, he was doing the best thing for everyone, including Israel,…”He is honest, tells things how he sees them and wants to uncover the truth.”

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530 responses to “UN Inquiry Accuses Israel Of War Crimes In Gaza”

  1. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @ Terence, thanks for your much valued compliment and support to GP and me!

    So help us God, we will continue to ‘Contend for the FAITH, once delivered to the saints” (Jude 1).

    Blessings to you and yours, in Jesus Mighty and Matchless Name!

  2. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    @ Chris Halsall

    Surely you can find these publications at the Univeristy Library? Or is it a university only in name? In my days at my alma mater during the early 70’s Penthouse and Playboy were to be had!

  3. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Pat: “Surely you can find these publications at the Univeristy Library? Or is it a university only in name?

    An excellent question and statement Pat.

    I would be truly interested if anyone could tell me if any of the authors I listed have books available from the University Library.

    Could any student of the UWI look into and speak to this?

  4. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Zoe: “Thank God, hopefully, NONE of these books are available in book stores in B’dos, we DON’T want this POISON to destroy our brains, re critical thought

    I’m quite sure that you are quite thankful that critical thought is not common….

  5. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    Zoe

    • Thank God, hopefully, NONE of these books are available in book stores in B’dos, we DON’T want this POISON to destroy our brains, re critical thought, which you think you have, when in fact, your are CRITICALLY IMPAIRED mentally, through the CRAP that you have ingested!
    *************************************
    I haven’t been following this thread but I happened to catch the above comment and checked to see which books or authors were being discussed and although I haven’t read any of those authors I didn’t think that Bajans would be susceptible to brain damage just by reading a book.

    However if you want to embark on a campaign to rid Barbados of all the books that would “destroy brains etc” could you start with Cave Shepherd? I mean get rid of those “urban erotic thrillers” before they destroy anymore brains or else insist that they only be sold to tourists.

    On second thought burn all the books (except the ones approved by Zoe & TB of course).

  6. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @NS

    First and foremost, my colleagues are also my friends…

    I have enjoyed a long and illustrious career as an academic and a researcher writing Political Sociology literary discourse which TODAY* is used as reference-based material for undergraduate students.

    Thank GOD* for British educational institutions which values critical thought and appreciate views which are often so off-the-wall, and going against the grain of conventionality but eventually does become mainstream due its practical application…

    For those who are ultra-sensitive and “touchy” about people’s credentials – I let my work within “specific” circles speak for itself – until such times when like “SALMAN RUSHDIE” I write and dare to have someone publish my version of “Satanic Verses” that will NOT* only cause both an uproar in the scientific, religious, political and social ethersphere – but will probably invoke a similar type “FATWA” as in the case of our learned Salman…

    Until then (as the Americans say) – “It is, what it is!”

  7. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @CS & CO;

    As for the post-nocturnal ramblings over the burning of books, the CRAP* on offer at C&S, the inerrancy of the authors cited by ZOE* – all the “pish-stash” is frankly an exercise in futility…

    What does Terry Prachett & Co; (who is currently suffering with a serious bout of Alzheimer + dementia having just given £5 million for research into the disease) now realize that his so-called prize asset used for last 30 years to cough up nothing but absolute “cozwobble” which many hunger after, calling it literary scholarship and having earned £50 million – what good is the “bloody” money to him, if he is losing his mind and can’t spend or enjoy it what he has toiled so long for but moreover the chances are someone will have to probably wipe his backside sooner or later ….

    So much for the invincibility of those who see themselves as “human” gods!!!

    The only ONE* worthy and I will say it again is – JESUS CHRIST*…

    Everything else is just a pathetic nonsense occupying space until that “Great Day”!!!

  8. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ZOE

    I am absolutely amazed at the kind of faith required to “believe” in evolution…

    The disciples of Darwin who espouse this sinister idea that human life evolved from non-human life clearly are both “intellectually dishonest” and are “consistently CLUELESS” of the biomedical science and evidence that does NOT* support such a thesis…

    The pack of cards on BU* has a few “JOKERS” in it and these are the said ones who are constantly using their fuglehorns to trumpet this bewildering concept called “empirical evidence”…

    The question is – where is their “FACTUAL” evidence (PROOF*) to support their diabolically ludicrous Darwinian claims…

    And PLEASE* guys – those of you who rant and rave over “CUT & PASTE” – desist from what you yourself harp on about and have the tenacity, the “balls” and the intellectual fortitude to present coherent, analytical arguments in your own scholarship if that is the “RED FLAG” you keep waving!!!

    As you must know, what is good for the “goose” must be good for the “gander”…

  9. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Terrence M. Blackette

    Today my theme is, “Ye shall know them by their fruit”.

    I see that you have joined the ling of hurling insults at people for their ideas. I put it to you, that is persecution; the very thing which christians charge others of doing to them.

    It seems that this is therefore normal behaviour for christians of your ilk and that anybody who is a “so-called” intellectual dabbling in Christianity is so affected and afflicted.

    The problem with people like you is that you have taken the faith and put your own spin on it, completely corrupting the religion and, as a result, these foul words spew forth from people like you.

    It is not only unbecoming, it is not even a good academic standard. You claimed that you have been taught to think critically, but certainly the insults that gushes from your pen does not reflect critical thinking.

    If you were truly taught to think critically, but when you come to the bible and christianity, all critical thinking is lost, then by these fruits, one would have to admit that there is something diabolical about the bible and christianity; or maybe there is something diabolical about educated people who turn to the bible and christianity.

    I would hate to think that this is the critical test of Christianity because the fruit are sour and all decency is withered. There is no love in your words, no comfort in your testimony and only a source by which others breed contempt for you; then you will complain of persecution, but it is just that people are doing to you what you do unto them. You start the persecution and then accuse others of it.

    Taken to it logical conclusion, one can then understand why the christians burned so much literature and I dare say that if you had the power today, more books would be burned, plunging all mankind into total darkness and stripped of any freedom to think critically.

    It is because of this unbridled destruction of knowledge that Europe went through the dark ages. Everywhere they landed the same kind of total destruction prevailed. So rather than learn from the conquered they laid waste their lands, their cultures and their religions.

    If the bible was saying that you know the true christians by their fruit, you guys ceratainly are not christians. However, judging from the violence of your god which he admitted to in the passages of the bible, how can the followers of such be anything less than violent and ill-willed?

    So, do we know you by your fruit?
    Your fruits:
    1. Inability to debate using critical thinking;
    2. Resort to insults in lieu of being able to bring evidence;
    3. Resort to persecution when you are not able to persuade people that you are right;
    4. Fabricating stories and lies to try to prove a point;
    5. Fabricating evidence in your zeal to try to prove you are right;

    One question though. Do you understand what is a faith? Do you understand why christianity is called a belief? Well anytime you really had the evidence, it would no longer be a belief or a faith and actually, any attempt to bring proof or evidence when there is none would be to the discredit of the belief or faith.

    We know there is no evidence. We know there is no proof. Where do you stand Mr. Blackette in the face of the evidence that over the near 2000 years this bible has been studied by tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of scholars who have established that there is no proof. Do you have proof? If you do, then you are the saviour of this world. Until then, give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto your god what is for him. Respect due!

  10. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @Halsall, “I am quite sure that you are quite thankful that critical thought is not common…”

    Critical thought, is certainly not common, (unfortunately) just look at yourself, NS, Rok et all! Sad! Sad! Sad!

    The following is not directed to those, who not only are ‘unable’ to think critically, BUT, simply do not understand the meaning of critical thought!

    On the Fallacy of Selective Hyperskepticism; Or, how to identify and avoid (or if necessary, counter) a common variety of skeptical Question-Begging frequently met with in debates over Christian Evidences.

    Synopsis: “The fallacy of ‘Selective Hyperskepticism’ occurs when one exerts (perhaps inadvertently) a DOUBLE-STANDARD of warrant demanded for accepting testimony, claims, or reports on matters of ‘FACT’ matters which Harvard’s Simon Greenleaf (one of the fathers of modern theory of evidence) observed, can only be shown to be so beyond reasonable doubt, i.e., to *moral* rather than *demonstrative* certainty. Also, given Kurt Godel’s work in the 1930’s even mathematical demonstrations fail of absolute certainty, as – for sufficiently rich axiomatic mathematical systems – complete sets of axioms will be inconsistent and there is no constructive procedure to create sets of axioms which are known to be consistent. The *fallacy* is *rooted* in the problem that if *radical skepticism* is universally applied, it ends in *self-referential absurdity* through corroding itself. However, sometimes, when a claim does not sit well with one’s worldview, one is tempted to dismiss it through selectively – thus *inconsistently* – requiring a degree of evidence that, by the very nature of the case, a matter of fact cannot attain. (This problem of double-standard in assessing evidence, unfortunately, is particularly commonly met with in discussions on the ‘authenticating evidential underpinnings’ of the Christian faith.) Instead of falling into such inconsistencies, it is wiser to first examine the *comparative difficulties* of the worldview level claims and commitments thus involved, on *factual adequacy* *coherence* and *simplicity/ad hocness* leading to a position that can be called, “reasonable faith.” In so doing, reasonable principles of assessing *fact-claims* and associated basic *beliefs* can be applied, on a fair and balanced basis. For such a process, Greenleaf, in his ‘Testimony of the Evangelists”, also provides several rules of thumb for practical reasoning on such matters, and *well-warranted* confidence – amounting to *moral* (as opposed to demomstrative) certainty – in the truth of well-authenticated records and testimony, such as are encountered in an examination of the credibility of the New Testament roots of the Christian faith.”

    “In the 19th Century, Law Professor Simon Greenleaf of Harvard, in Anglophone Jurisprudence, observed in his ‘Testimony of the Evangelists’ that:

    “[26]…It should be observed that the subject of inquiry [i.e., evidence relating to the credibility of the New Testament accounts] is a matter of *fact* and NOT of abstract mathematical proof. The later alone is susceptible of that high degree of proof, usually termed ‘demonstration’ which excludes the possibility of error. ‘…In the ordinary affairs of life we do not require nor expect demonstrative evidence, because it is *inconsistent* with the nature of *matters of fact* and to insist on its production would be unreasonable and *absurd*…The error of the skeptic consist in ‘pretenting’ or ‘supposing’ that there is a *difference* concerning things which are not susceptible of any other than *moral evidence* alone, and of which the utmost than can be said, is, that there is no reasonable doubt about the truth…”

    To those who stupidly and ignorantly, continue to insist, that there is no *non-Christian* sources giving credence to the New Testement history, there is no better place to start than a resume of the consensus view of early ‘non-Christian’ sources from late CI to early C2, on the roots of the Christian faith and its charateristics:

    1. Jesus was executed (by crucifixion) in Judea during the period Tiberius was Emperor (AD 14-37) and Pontius Pilate was Governor (AD 26-36) [Tacitus]

    2. The movement spread from Judea to Rome [Tacitus]

    3. Jesus claimed to be God and that He would depart and return. [Eliezer]

    4. His followers worshipped Him as (a) god. [Pliny]

    5. He was called “the christ” [Josephus]

    6. His followers were called “Christians.” [Tacitus, Pliny]

    7. They were numerous in Bithynia and Rome [Tacitus, Pliny]

    8. It was a world-wide movement. [Eliezer]

    9. His brother was James. [Josephus]

    The pattern in these corroborating sources is instantly familiar; that is, the NT accounts plainly FIT into a recognisible *historical* pattern of *facts* credibly established through a range of quite early ‘non-Christian’ sources on the CI origins, claims, and spreading of the Christian movement; though of course, the ‘primary’ Christian sources give far more details than one would expect from sources that mention such *facts* in passing as they go on to make their own points.

    That corroboration should not be surprising, given that, the very first cluster of writing sub-apostolic ‘Church Fathers’ Clement of Rome [c. AD 96], Ignatius [c. 108] and Polycarp [c. 110], 25 of the 27 books of the New Testament are cited or alluded to, as authentic and authoritative Scripture [only the two rather brief works, 2 Jn and Jude, are not cited or alluded to]; so the subsequent textual history of the NT documents in an unbroken chain of custody, to the origin of printing.

    This is just scratching the surface of the vast amount of evidence, historic, logical, legal, etc, etc, that support and confirm, ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ not mathematical certainty, the *FACTUAL* reliability of the Christian faith; reasonable FAITH.

    No doubt, that the ‘Selective’ Hyperskeptics’ will still chose to NOT believe, because, they simply are unable, OR, have chosen NOT to think *Critically* objectively, and ‘cannot’ soundly refute the *COHERENCE* of the historic FACTS, confirmed by non-Christian sources from as early as CI!

  11. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    To those who stupidly and ignorantly, continue to insist, that there is no *non-Christian* sources giving credence to the New Testement history, there is no better place to start than a resume of the consensus view of early ‘non-Christian’ sources from late CI to early C2, on the roots of the Christian faith and its charateristics:

    1. Jesus was executed (by crucifixion) in Judea during the period Tiberius was Emperor (AD 14-37) and Pontius Pilate was Governor (AD 26-36) [Tacitus] WHERE IS THE PROOF BESIDES YOUR INSISTENCE THAT IT WAS SO? TACITUS NEVER MENTIONED JESUS CHRIST BUT TOLD OF THE FIRE OF ROME AND SUBSEQUENT ACTION BY THE STATE AGAINST ABOMINABLE PEOPLE CALLED CHRISTIANS; STILL ABOMINABLE TODAY AS YOU CLEARLY SHOW.

    2. The movement spread from Judea to Rome [Tacitus] YOU ARE TAKING AN ACCOUNT OF SOCIAL DISTURBANCES WHICH WERE QUELLED BY THE ROMANS. THERE WAS NO SPREAD OF ANYTHING.

    3. Jesus claimed to be God and that He would depart and return. [Eliezer] YOU SURELY CATCHING AT STRAWS. WHICH ELIEZER WAS THIS ONE? Moses?

    4. His followers worshipped Him as (a) god. [Pliny]
    PLINY? WHERE IN PLINY WAS THERE A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST?

    5. He was called “the christ” [Josephus]
    DON’T WORRY WITH THIS ONE. IT IS A KNOW INSERTION INTO THE WORKS OF JOSEPHUS; POOR FELLOW.

    6. His followers were called “Christians.” [Tacitus, Pliny] OUTRIGHT LIE!

    7. They were numerous in Bithynia and Rome [Tacitus, Pliny] NOT SURE WHERE THIS GOING?

    8. It was a world-wide movement. [Eliezer] HE NEVER SAID THAT. WHAT HE SAID WAS THAT ALL THE WICKEDNESS OF THE WORLD COULD BE FOUND IN CHRISTIANS.

    9. His brother was James. [Josephus] WE KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

    WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? YOU ARE GRASPING AT STRAWS. WHY DON’T YOU CUT AND PASTE THE RELEVANT PARAGRAPHS AND NOT SNIPS OF THINGS THAT BEAR THE OPPOSITE MEANING OF WHAT YOU TRYING TO SAY.

    REPEAT: THE REASON THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A FAITH AND A BELIEF IS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DROP OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT. THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT EXIST, IT NEVER DID EXIST AND NEVER WILL EXIST.

  12. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Terence M. Blackett… I have to speak to your insulting words about the (IMHO) truly great author Terry Pratchett.

    @TMB: “What does Terry Pratchett … who is currently suffering with a serious bout of Alzheimer + dementia having just given £5 million for research into the disease … now realize that his so-called prize asset [his brain] used for last 30 years…

    It is a sad, but true fact that all people eventually get sick. *All* people die.

    @TMB: “…to cough up nothing but absolute “cozwobble” which many hunger after, calling it literary scholarship and having earned £50 million`

    But Mr. Pratchett was Knighted for his life’s work. And he’s sold over 55 million books, translated into 36 languages.

    Obviously (empirically) his work meant a lot of many people.

    @TMB: “…what good is the “bloody” money to him, if he is losing his mind and can’t spend or enjoy it what he has toiled so long for…

    Have you considered that perhaps Mr. Pratchett simply enjoyed writing? And that perhaps we has happy that others enjoyed his work? The fact he made a *lot* of money doing so was to be expected from the quality of his work.

    But, importantly Mr. Blackett, I find your above to be most interesting in the observation that you ask the question what good was Mr. Pratchett’s efforts if he couldn’t take advantage of them.

    May I simply counter with: perhaps he did, and does, for the entire period he was, and is, alive.

    And long after he’s gone, I, and many others, will be enjoying his amazingly witty, insightful, deep, meaningful — and truly genius — work.

    Is it possible that Mr. Pratchett is thoughtful enough to consider that if he’s brought enjoyment and insight to others, that this is also personal upside?

    @Gentle reader…

    Of Mr. Terry Pratchett’s work, I particularly recommend:

    o Going Postal
    o Making Money
    o Night Watch
    o Monstrous Regiment
    o The Science of Discworld (with Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen)
    o Good Omens (with Neil Gaiman)

    Available from Amazon, and most book retailers in North America or England.

    But, interestingly, no where here in Barbados….

  13. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    @Terence,

    Its amusing that you find your “colleagues” (in biology departments everywhere) to be……….

    “consistently CLUELESS of the biomedical science and evidence that does NOT* support such a thesis…”

    and you come to this conclusion after your…….

    “long and illustrious career as an academic and a researcher writing Political Sociology literary discourse”

    at institution(s) unstated.

    I suspect we can evaluate the quality of your claims accordingly.

  14. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    @Terence,

    Terence says…

    “First and foremost, my colleagues are also my friends…”

    ——-

    Elsewhere you tell us that you choose your words with great care.

    A colleague in the context of university means a fellow member.

    If you wanted to say a friend, I am sure a man who prides himself on precise language would have said a friend.

    I put it it to you, the choice of the word “colleague” was quite deliberate.

    Quite deliberate to mislead.

  15. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Gentle reader…

    My deepest apologies… I made several mistakes in my immediate above…

    Instead of “Of Mr. Terry Pratchett’s work, I particularly recommend:

    This should have read:

    Of SIR Terry Pratchett’s work, I particularly recommend….

  16. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Chant Them Down †
    ♥ ♠ ♣ ♥
    ♦ No Dreams °

    http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/chant-them-down-no-dreams/

  17. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @ Rok, You ‘pinhead’ fool, you are blowing in the wind!

    E.g. Governor Pliny’s description: judicial inquiry to Trajan, from Pontus-Bithynia, c. 112.

    “…in the case of those who were denounced as CHRISTIANS; those who confessed, I INTERROGATED a second and third time, threating them with punishment; and those who PERSISTED I ordered EXECUTED [cf. Acts 5:12-42, I Peter 1:1-9 & 2:11-17]…Those who denied that they were or had been CHRISTIANS, when they invoked the gods (pagan) in words dictated by ME, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image…and moreoever cursed CHRIST–none of which those WHO WERE REALLY CHRISTIANS, it is said, CAN BE FORCED TO DO [ cf. I Cor 12:2-3] – THESE I thought should be discharged…Others named by the informer declared that THEY WERE CHRISTIANS, bu then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as TWENTY FIVE YEARS. They all worshipped your image and the statutes of the gods, and cursed CHRIST.”

    “They asserted, howver, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they WERE ACCUSTOMED TO MEET ON A FIXED DAY BEFORE DAWN, and sing responsively a hymn TO CHRIST, as to a god [Cf. Ohil 2:5-11], and to bind themselves bu oath, not to some crime, but NOT TO COMMIT FRAUD, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food, but ordinary and innocent food [i.e., not cannibalism, cf. I Cor. 10: 1-11: 1, esp 10: 16-17]…Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the by truth was by TORTURING two female slaves who were called deaconesses, [Cf. Rom 16:1-2] But I discovered nothing else but depraved excessive superstition.”

    YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST, Almighty God, YOU ARE A COMPLETE STRANGER to the Biblical and Historic FACTS, both INTERNAL and EXTERNAL *SOURCES*

  18. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Zoe…

    I have to thank you…

    You prove my points with what you say better than I could ever have hoped to….

  19. Margaret Avatar
    Margaret

    Harsall
    I read somewhere you said you were dyslexic?

    It definitely shows in your arguements.

    You contribute very little to this debate. You obviously have never read the Bible, so you cant discuss any issue concerning it. You have not read about it or Church history either.

    All you seem capable of doing is making silly stupid interjections and asking irrelevant questions, and trying to sound like a scientist by calling names of things whichyou never discuss.

    Why Zoe wastes time with you is beyond comprehension.

  20. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Margaret: “Harsall

    Actually… My name is Halsall. Christopher Halsall…

    We’ve met before. You asked to be my friend of Facebook. I accepted. But then I dropped your friendship, when you showed your true intentions…

    @Margaret: “All you seem capable of doing is making silly stupid interjections and asking irrelevant questions, and trying to sound like a scientist by calling names of things whichyou never discuss.

    Are you, Margaret, joining in the club of those who insult anyone who disagrees with you?

    @Margaret… Here’s a simple question directly directed to you, which none of yours have been able to answer.

    Perhaps you can…

    What does the Bible say about Quantum Mechanics?

    Thanks for stepping up Margaret.

    Perhaps you can answer my simple question?

  21. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Chris,
    Scientists have less girlfriends.
    You could say scientists have also
    caused a lot of the worlds problems as
    well. Historically the purpose of science
    was to learn about the workings of god
    in the world and the universe beyond
    which they never managed to achieve.
    Now they want to obtain the power of
    god with the hadron collider and
    simulate the big bang theory. Breaking
    the laws of physics is only a misdemeanor.

  22. Margaret Avatar
    Margaret

    hardsell

    Re We’ve met before. You asked to be my friend of Facebook. I accepted. But then I dropped your friendship, when you showed your true intentions…

    You have the wrong Margaret. Not only are you stupid you are too short!

  23. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Margaret: “You have the wrong Margaret. Not only are you stupid you are too short!

    My mistake… Please forgive me. I’m stupid. And worse than that, I’m short!

    Care to speak to my direct question to you?

    “What does the Bible say about Quantum Mechanics?

  24. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Zoe

    Your god may be almighty to you but not to me… but nowhere in your quotation did you show any evidence of the life of christ; that he was alive; or that he led anything; that he was among those arrested and tortured.

    In that whole fire inquest, the first three people to die were women. there was no christ on a cross and these were ordinary people who were fighting up against the rule of Rome that the Romans were arresting and sending them to cruel deaths.

    You have not given any evidence and that thing about fighting against your almighty god does not carry any weight. It is not persuasive at all. You come here telling all the lies in the world to prove a point and then tell me I am fighting against almighty god? Are you almighty god? Furthermore, gods are not almighty. The Creator is and your god surely ain’t the Creator.

    Tell me exactly what is all that cut and paste saying?

    Is it saying that christ was alive?
    is it saying that christ was arrested?
    is it saying that christ was crucified?
    Is it saying that a man named christ was identified?

    You had better check yourself; getting on in that vile manner; over what? Over what you can’t prove? Who is the real idiot? Who is the real ignorant person?

    WHAT YOU HAVE IS A BELIEF AND AS SUCH THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DROP OF PROOF AND YOU CAN CUSS UNTIL THE MOON TURN BLACK IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACTS THAT CHRIST NEVER EXISTED.

  25. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    All these people with little respect for humanity all of a sudden; calling people fools and ignorant. Really, can we blame the children if even the adults cannot behave with some manner of respect?

  26. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @Rok, You are, INTELLECTUALLY, SCRIPTURALLY, HISTORICALLY, and LINGUISTICALLY, a very DISHONEST, FOOL!

    @ Halsall, to Margret, “What does the Bible say about Quantum Mechanics?”

    Halsall, what does the Bible say about your ilk?

    “In the mouth of the *FOOLISH* is a rod of *PRIDE* but the lips of the wise shall preserve him” (Prov. 14: 3) emphasis added.

    Why do you ask such silly, PRIDE-FILLED, *FOOLISH* questions?

    The answer is obvious!

    @ Not Saved, “So tell me Zoe, does Pro Lewontin accept your creationist nonsense as you try to imply?”

    What an IDIOT you are! Any one with a modicum of basic common sense, who can understand *language* and its proper construct, would *KNOW* that NOWHERE in anything I said re Lewontin, could remotely *IMPLY* what your are claiming I implied!

    In truth and fact, I CLEARLY, delineated, represented, rendered, from the VERY *WORDS* used by Lewontin, what he was *essentially* saying, OPENLY, THAT he and his fellow (evoluntionists) ARE *LIARS* in using pseudo-science to FABRICATE, “…in SPITE OF THE PATENT *ABSURDITY*…of some of its constructs in SPITE of its FAILURES to fulfill MANY *EXTRAVAGANT* promises….Moreover, that materialism is absolute (ABSURD LIES!) for we CANNOT ALLOW A DIVINE FOOT IN THE DOOR.”

    Lewontin, as plainly and AS openly as anyone in his position as a scientist, could, BY his very choice of words, not only re-affirmed his diabolical belief in Evolution, BUT, then proceded to ADMIT that most of the *SCIENCE* used is *PATENT ABSURDITY* (LIES!) *EXTRAVAGANT* promises, and why does he have to go this route of ‘pseudo science’ because, as his OWN words explicitely STATE:

    “…for WE *CANNOT* ALLOW A DIVINE FOOT IN THE DOOR.”

    In so many word, either implied, or explicitely stated, he admits to being a LIAR, a FRAUD, in using PATENT ABSURDITY, in order to promote the DASTARDLY *HOAX” of evolution!

  27. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Zoe

    You are displaying all the signs of a mentally disturbed person. This one is for you:
    ………………………………………………..

    Ralph and Edna were both patients in a mental hospital. One day while they were walking past the hospital swimming pool, Ralph suddenly jumped into the deep end.

    He sank to the bottom of the pool and stayed there.

    Edna promptly jumped in to save him. She swam to the bottom and pulled him out. When the Head Nurse Director became aware of Edna’s heroic act she immediately ordered her to be discharged from the hospital, as she now considered her to be mentally stable.

    When she went to tell Edna the news she said, ‘Edna, I have good news and bad news. The good news is you’re being discharged, since you were able to rationally respond to a crisis by jumping in and saving the life of the person you love. I have concluded that your act displays sound mindedness.

    ‘The bad news is, Ralph hung himself in the bathroom with his bathrobe belt right after you saved him. I am so sorry, but he’s dead.’

    Edna replied, ‘He didn’t hang himself. I put him there to dry…. How soon can I go home?’

    Happy Mental Health Day!

  28. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    @Zoe,

    Zoe says…….

    “In truth and fact, I CLEARLY, delineated, represented, rendered, from the VERY *WORDS* used by Lewontin, what he was *essentially* saying”

    ———

    “the very words”…………..what he was essentially saying”

    .

    Bit of a contradiction there, LOL

    Yet another LIE. You inserted words in his quote. You neither quotes his “very words” nor what he was “essentially” saying.

    And Zoe also says …..

    “any one with a modicum of basic common sense, who can understand *language* and its proper construct, would *KNOW* that NOWHERE in anything I said re Lewontin, could remotely *IMPLY* what your are claiming I implied!”

    Before going on to admit to the very thing……..

    “In so many word, either implied, or explicitely stated, he admits to being a LIAR, a FRAUD, in using PATENT ABSURDITY, in order to promote the DASTARDLY *HOAX” of evolution!”

    You are really quite amusing.

  29. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    With your reading limited to creationist nonsense, you probably not aware…….

    That for example quantum mechanics has many “absurd constructs” but they are not wrong.

    That for example the theory of relativity has many “counterintuitive” constructs but also they are not wrong.

    Of course since you quoted Lewontin from his book review out of context you have not a clue what he was talking about.

    It shows.

  30. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    And rather pathetically no matter how much Prof Lewontin himself protests the misuse of his words by creationists, you and your ilk will no doubt continue to do so.

  31. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @ROK… ROTFL..

    Thanks for that…

    I would have fallen off my chair, and rolled on the floor laughing…

    Except, I seem to find myself chained to my chair….

  32. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    People like Zoe have been misquoting Lewontin for a long time before this latest episode…..

    “Modern expressions of creationism and especially so-called “scientific” creationism are making extensive use of the tactic of selective quotation in order to make it appear that numerous biologists doubt the reality of evolution…………………………………. These patently dishonest practices of misquotation give us a right to question even the sincerity of creationists.”

    Richard Lewontin
    in ‘Misquoted Scientists Respond’, by John Cole.
    1981

  33. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Chris Man
    As our resident egg head science expert
    can you confirm whether explosives were used in nyc on 9/11 for the wtc

  34. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    I think the conspiratorial element in Banking should not be over-stressed.
    It is impossible to talk about bankers’ conspiracies since 1930’s without
    people thinking you are a nazi or an anti-semite.
    This is called a conditioned association, or uncritical inference and
    however illogical it is, it is very wide spread.

    The problem with the banking system is structural not personal.
    It’s not the players it’s the game itself that is the problem.

  35. David Avatar
    David

    Tomorrow we post a blog where a BU family member attacks the controversial topic of Banking In Barbados.

  36. Margaret Avatar
    Margaret

    A little girl stood near a small church from which she had been turned away because it was ‘too crowded.’

    ‘I can’t go to Sunday School,’ she sobbed to the pastor as he walked by.

    Seeing her shabby, unkempt appearance, the pastor guessed the reason and, taking her by the hand, took her inside and found a place for her in the Sunday school class. The child was so happy that they found room for her, and she went to bed that night thinking of the children who have no place to worship Jesus.

    Some two years later, this child lay dead in one of the poor tenement buildings.. Her parents called for the kindhearted pastor who had befriended their daughter to handle the final arrangements.

    As her poor little body was being moved, a worn and crumpled red purse was found which seemed to have been rummaged from some trash dump.

    Inside was found 57 cents and a note, scribbled in childish handwriting, which read: ‘This is to help build the little church bigger so more children can go to Sunday School.’

    For two years she had saved for this offering of love.

    When the pastor tearfully read that note, he knew instantly what he would do. Carrying this note and the cracked, red pocketbook to the pulpit, he told the story of her unselfish love and devotion.

    He challenged his deacons to get busy and raise enough money for the larger building.

    But the story does not end there…
    A newspaper learned of the story and published It. It was read by a wealthy realtor who offered them a parcel of land worth many thousands.

    When told that the church could not pay so much, he offered to sell it to the little church for 57 cents.

    Church members made large donations. Checks came from far and wide.
    Within five years the little girl’s gift had increased to $250,000.00–a huge sum for that time (near the turn of the century). Her unselfish love had paid large dividends.
    When you are in the city of Philadelphia , look up Temple Baptist Church, with a seating capacity of 3,300. And be sure to visit TempleUniversity, where thousands of students are educated.

    Have a look, too, at the Good Samaritan Hospital and at a Sunday School building which houses hundreds of beautiful children, built so that no child in the area will ever need to be left outside during Sunday school time.
    In one of the rooms of this building may be seen the picture of the sweet face of the little girl whose 57 cents, so sacrificially saved, made such remarkable history. Alongside of it is a portrait of her kind pastor, Dr. Russell H. Conwell, author of the book, ‘Acres of Diamonds’.

    This is a true story, which goes to show WHAT GOD CAN DO WITH 57 CENTS.

  37. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @kiki: “As our resident egg head science expert can you confirm whether explosives were used in nyc on 9/11 for the wtc

    @kiki… I consider you to be a parasitic troll… But I will speak to this question as best I can…

    1. I obviously can’t confirm if explosives were used, since I wasn’t involved, nor ask to be part of any investigative team.

    2. This video (or, more accurately, the Narrative) is a typical example of someone speaking from a basis of presupposition, with a conclusion already drawn.

    3. The narrator (a Mr. David Chandler) starts with “The starting point of Science is Observation”.

    3.1. This is correct. However, importantly, the touch-stone of Science is to always examine all possible explanations, and to constantly test one’s presuppositions.

    4. Mr. Chandler makes a great deal about the explosions from the corner of the tower. He says “perhaps you imagine a natural cause; I can’t”.

    He then concludes that these explosions were because of “squibs” (explosive devices) used to bring down the building.

    4.1. Importantly however, if you have two outward moving wave fronts at ninety degrees to each other, the corner axis will have the lowest pressure, and thus it is to be expected to see higher velocity ejections from that point.

    4.2. Equally important, please note that the corner of the WTC towers are not the major load-bearing members.

    5. Mr. Chandler makes a great deal about the explosions on floors below the immediate collapse.

    5.1. This is to be expected. The towers each had a central core for elevators and services. A great deal of pressure was being generated as each floor collapsed, reducing the volume of air within tens of milliseconds from many thousands of cubic meters down to effectively nothing. (Boyle’s Law.)

    6. Mr. Chandler makes a great deal about the distance the debris was thrown, including the distance some very massive ejaculate (forgive me for that) was thrown.

    6.1. It is important to note, however, that it would take nothing less than a nuclear device (or a hurricane) to throw such massive objects such a distance unless they were falling from a very high height.

    To conclude, Mr. Chandler is a typical non-scientist, who believes that he “knows” something because of what he’s seen and concluded.

    Now, a few points of my own…

    1. The cowards responsible for the 9/11 attacks on the WTC towers probably hit the towers as high as they did in order to limit fire-fighting efforts.

    1.2. It is worth noting that the second plane hit the second tower lower than the first.

    1.3. It has been documented that the planners of the attack suspected that burning high-octane jet fuel would likely weaken the steal in the support structures to cause the towers to pan-cake down.

    2. If the cowards who attacked the WTC towers had wanted to cause even more deaths, they would have sent two planes into each tower. One directly into the centre of each tower as close to ground-level as they could, and a second into a side of the building slightly above the first strike zone, thus ensuring that the tower would have toppled over rather than falling straight down.

    In closing, because this response will likely generate some interest from certain entities, please let me close with a link over to an article I wrote shortly after 9/11, published in my regular “Business Examiner” column in Victoria.

    http://www.ideas4lease.com/blog/2001/09/17/a-new-kind-of-war/

  38. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Kiki……….Yes explosives were used in the controlled demolition of those buildings. Just ask the Mossad and the Bankers. Planes did not take them, its all an illusion.

  39. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @kiki…

    Thanks to Hopi’s comment above, I have just thought about this a bit more…

    And I feel I can safely conclude that explosives were almost *definitely* not involved with bringing down the WTC towers. (Although explosive compression definitely was.)

    My thinking is thus:

    1. If the 9/11 cowards were able to install explosives into the towers, they would have simply triggered such explosives during the attack.

    1.2. Further, as I mentioned above, they would have planned better, and only compromised the load bearing members on one side of each tower, thusly ensuring they toppled over, killing almost everyone in each tower, and everyone each tower fell on.

    2. Further evidence… Since the 9/11 cowards had effectively guided missiles at their disposal at that instant, if the WTC towers were already loaded with explosives, they would not have wasted two of these missiles to try to cover up this fact — they would have instead directed them to other targets.

    From this, again, I feel I can safely conclude that pre-placed explosives were *not* involved in the 9/11 WTC attacks.

    BTW, I’ve done a bit of research on Mr. Chandler since my above post. It turns out he’s a high-school Physics teacher, and has been hugely discredited by many who actually know what they’re talking about….

  40. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Christopher Halsall said

    ” @kiki… I consider you to be a parasitic troll… ”
    +
    Chris, you deserve to be bitch slapped for the above comment

    in psychometric testing random questions
    includes the measurement of knowledge, abilities, attitudes, and personality traits

  41. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Any explosives would surely be an inside
    job you dummy

  42. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @kiki: “Chris, you deserve to be bitch slapped for the above comment

    I just punched you out of the ring…

    Bring on your slap!

  43. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    deluded chris,
    You never punched anyone out of the ring
    with your Arsenal of Hypocrisy and weapons of mass deception,
    (phony hypocrite)

  44. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @kiki… Oh, come on…

    You said above that I deserved to be “Bitch Slapped”.

    I dare you to try to do so…

    Or are you all talk, and little thought?

  45. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Chris “Cut and Pasted” from credible
    subject matter experts unlike yourself
    As seen in this revealing video, the Twin Towers’ destruction exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosives: (and some non-standard characteristics)

    1.
    Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
    2.
    Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
    3.
    Extremely rapid onset of destruction
    4.
    Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
    5.
    Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 60 mph
    6.
    Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
    7.
    Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
    8.
    1200-foot-dia. debris field: no “pancaked” floors found
    9.
    Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
    10.
    Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
    11.
    Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
    12.
    Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
    13.
    Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
    14.
    No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire
    And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

    1.
    Slow onset with large visible deformations
    2.
    Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
    3.
    Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
    4.
    High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

  46. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibits all the characteristics of a classic controlled demolition with explosives: (and some non-standard characteristics)

    1.
    Rapid onset of “collapse”
    2.
    Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a full second prior to collapse
    3.
    Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
    4.
    Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed mostly in its own footprint
    5.
    Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
    6.
    Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
    7.
    Chemical signature of Thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples by physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
    8.
    FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
    9.
    Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
    10.
    Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
    And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

    1.
    Slow onset with large visible deformations
    2.
    Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
    3.
    Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
    4.
    High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”.

  47. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @kiki…

    You have cut and pasted a great deal here.

    Could you please cite your sources?

    Thanks.

  48. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    Ch
    before you debunk everything like a mother fuc-ker try to be non-partial and objective.
    p.s. its ok to admit you are wrong/right
    as it is the truth we deal with

    http://www.ae911truth.org/

  49. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @kiki…

    “before you debunk everything like a mother fuc-ker try to be non-partial and objective.

    [references a certain a3991truth.org site]

    Thereon: “David Chandler is a high school physics teacher and contributing member of AE911Truth

    Meanwhile, over on http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=128194

    “In Chandler’s case, he did everything right in his calculations. Then he blew ONE thing – he did not try to QUANTIFY the forces resisting the collapse. He stayed all “touchy-feely” and assumed that they would be large enough to be seen in the deceleration of the outer wall. He assumed wrong.

    So I ask again kiki…

    Could you please site the source of your two cut-and-pastes above?

  50. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Margaret………..Huh! True story? Oh that poor little girl! Had she taken that 57 cents and bought herself some food and clothing she would have lived long enough to recognize that the church was and still is a farce and she would not have died in vain. Poor chile!

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