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overpassesFirst let me clarify a simple point.  The structures now being called flyovers are more correctly termed overpass bridges.

The analysis carried out by 3S and presented to Government (both administrations) used the Norman Niles roundabout as the test junction.  The analysis showed that the “flyover” solution would have alleviated the congestion along the highway.  It did however show that even with the “flyovers” gridlock would still exist in the east-west, that is, into Bridgetown.  The analysis had some errors that should be pointed out.  These are (1) the analysis did not take into consideration that the traffic crossing any one roundabout in the north-south direction traversed several roundabouts while almost all the traffic in the east-west direction crossed only one roundabout.  This tended to give a much higher count and therefore weight to the north-south traffic.  (2) the economic analysis that showed the flyover solution to be cost effective assumed a similar economic value to traffic in all directions.  We all know that delays to traffic into Bridgetown on mornings have a significantly greater economic impact than traffic in any other direction.  (3) at the time the analysis was done the stated cost of the flyovers was considerably less than August 2007 when a revised cost was given.  This could have had a considerable impact on the cost-benefit analysis.

The type of construction for the flyovers is also to be questioned.  The flyovers were to have been constructed of structural steel (Structural Steel Solutions Ltd.).  In view of our poor track record on maintenance in Barbados several Engineers felt that this was not the preferred solution.  A pre-stressed concrete solution would have been preferable since maintenance would be considerably less and the cost may have been lower given the rapid increases in the cost of steel.  In addition, there has been a similar structure constructed in the recent past in Barbados.  I refer to the Lancaster bridge which was designed in Barbados by Barbadian Engineers, erected by a Barbadian contractor and the pre-stressed beams were made in Trinidad, our Caricom neighbour.  In fact, construction of the Lancaster bridge was a far more difficult undertaking than any flyover on the highway would have been since the central pier for the Lancaster bridge was in the bottom of a 60 feet deep gully while all the piers for the flyovers would have been at road level.

Rethinking the flyovers was therefore prudent.  Whether or not they are revisited in the future the design (and designers) should be seriously reconsidered and our considerable local expertise employed.


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  1. I would point out one flaw in the above post. Most of the traffic on the highway in the morning is actually going into Bridgetown, so to assign a higher economic value to the traffic crossing the roundabout would be an error. Most of the traffic on the highway is actually going to the roundabout of their choice to go into town.

    The second flaw in the above analysis is that undoubtably pre stress concrete would have been more robust but it also would have been interesting to see how the construction measured up in terms of cost. And the impact of this on the cost benefit analysis. While the pre stressed concrete option would not have been as affected by the price of steel, arguably it could have been starting from a more expensive base. The post is unclear on this and the impact it would have on the cost of the project.

    I’m not sure what the argument is with several verses one roundabout however I would point out that the traffic flow on the roads crossing the highway is not so much constricted by the roundabout but by the roads going into town. (Drivers can testify to being in bumper to bumper traffic on either side of the highway) Traffic on the highway tends to slow down or stop at each roundabout before they get to the roundabout (or exit) of their choice where they tend to join a bumper to bumper stream of traffic into town. Hence the use of flyovers offers considerable savings to the large numbers of vehicles going along the highway but limited impact to the flow going into town. The proponents of flyovers never indicated that they would fix this problem but it does offer relief for a large number of road users.

    What would be interesting to know in this analysis would be what percentage of the traffic on the “town side” of the road crossing the higway comes from the highway and not from directly across it.

    What I also find interesting in this post is the admission that traffic studies WERE done. When we have been hearing on the blog repeatedly that no such studies were carried out. Perhaps the poster would care to comment on that as well.


  2. Was it not part of the 3S mandate to conduct a traffic study? I certainly recall seeing a gentlemen with a Spanish name on television explaining various aspects of the study, although I cannot now recall the details.

    Further I think the writer misses the essential point – traffic on a highway should be as free-flowing as possible, which given the large increase in vehicles on the road since the ABC was first constructed it no longer is.

    This has made me remember one thing that the 3S traffic expert said. The flyovers are only one aspect of the solution and there would have to be a change to traffic flows (one-way only) on certain arteries into Bridgetown.

    Not certain why we are making such a meal of this. I have driven in other countries where for instance a central lane is one way in one direction in the morning and the other way in the afternoon. Granted we do not have the space on our roadways in the populated suburban areas for this type of solution, but the point is that if we put aside the politics and the egos, I am certain that a common sense solution can be found. Right now we have spent a lot of money and things are even worse than they were before with no end in sight.


  3. If Minister John Boyce and the government is serious about enacting Freedom of Information (FOI) legislation, what is the big deal making document used in the ABC Highway project available to the public? Let the public see the MOU, traffic studies and other related documents. Let the people decide for themselves.

    For too long government officials (politicians/civil servants) have been taking us for fools. BU family member Chris Halsall has been asking for certain documents without success.

    This is significant taxpayers dollars being spent yet we seem happy to pursue political arguments.


  4. The pre-stressed concrete solution for the Lancaster Bridge was the more economical solution. The bridge was originally designed in structural steel.


  5. Here are many things a future PDC Government shall do in Barbados:

    1) Abolish ALL TAXATION;

    2) Abolish Interest Rates;

    3) Abolish ALL Exchange Rates Parities with the Barbados Dollar;

    4) Abolish ALL Motor Vehicle Insurance;

    5) Make Imports of Goods and Services “Zero-priced” at all points of entry;

    6) Make Exports of Goods and Services once destined for the external markets to be paid for in local currency/”prices”;

    7) Ensure that ALL Institutional Loans for Productive Purposes become Non-Repayable;

    8) Make sure that the Hire Purchase system is seriously reformed in this country;

    9) Disabuse with the notion of “Inflation” but at the same time to make sure that at any time – even at such a time as now when there is a political economic depression in Barbados – as much PRODUCTIVE money/value as possible circulates within the country with a view of ever helping to expand our productive sectors and ever helping to grow our so-called economy;

    10) Making sure that NO foreigners will – at the time of our being at the helm of government in this country – own the rights to our Land spaces – ONLY Barbadian citizens and businesses and other entities – Foreigners will ONLY be able to lease such rights;

    11) Make sure that there is a regime of Rent Control instituted in this country for ALL residential, commercial, and other relevant properties;

    12) Making sure that partnerships are the ONLY multi-member corporate business entities possible in Barbados – this dispensation will ensure that present day workers, managers and owners of present day business enterprises will become future partners in future enterprises in this country and that each of them, et al, will be remunerated in profits;

    13) The share holder culture in Barbados will be reformed to make sure that ANY LOCAL OR FOREIGN MONEY INVESTORS WILL NEVER EVER BECOME – when our party remains at the helm of government in this country – OWNERS OR PART OWNERS of any business enterprises in Barbados on the basis of merely injecting cash/value into commercial enterprises – THEY SHALL BE SEEN AS JUST MONEY INVESTORS who are simply entitled to profits;

    14) That NO completely foreign owned businesses will exist in Barbados – Foreigners and and foreign entities shall ONLY be capable of entering into joint ventures or strategic alliances with Barbadian interests in whatever areas of business in Barbados, to a maximum of 51% ownership of such enterprises;

    15) Ensure that there is installed in this country a modern efficient railway system very much on or along the existing ABC/Spring Garden/Ronald Highways;

    16) The bringing about of more TV stations in this country – and one of which will have to cater to assisting in the cultural development of this country – the elimination of as many corrupt negative foreign influences as possible from our social landscape;

    17) The creation of Technological, Technical, Commercial, Languages, Science, Culinary, Sporting Academies in the secondary school system and in which each Academy will – basic subjects apart – specialize in the teaching, the instilling, and the engaging in of those theoretical and experiential knowledges and activities that are ever so important to the country’s future greater development;

    18) The Abolition of the Common Entrance Examination and in its place the establishment of A National Continuous Assessment Program;

    19) The building of a modern acute care public hospital in the north of the country;

    20) The making sure that Constituents will debate and pass the laws of this country – NOT like this big foolish idea called constituency councils;

    21) Making sure that the Constitution of Barbados provides for the operation of Coalitional Government in Barbados – and of which, et al, the head of such will be an elected Executive President of Barbados and of which it will be composed of elected party, non-party-political and independent non-partisan members;

    22) The removal of the Queen as Head of State of this country;

    23) The removal of the first past the post electoral system and in its place a variant of the proportional representational electoral system; and

    24) The election nationally of ALL Judges of the High Court and some other senior governmental officials like the DPP – all of whom will be adjunct members of the Cabinet of Barbados.

    PDC

  6. Johnny Postle @ Avatar

    PDC you got my vote for the next election. May I suggest that on the ballad paper the entry to be made with respect to the nominated candidate also includes a section for the PDC candidates with all surnames ending in looney. For example, David Looney. Those in favour, like myself, can easily vote for the PDC who obviously have the solutions to fixing all problems relevant to scourges of political control that have angered the people over the years.


  7. Why do you want to put the judges in the Cabinet, PDC? Just to let you know that I will not be voting for you…your manifesto seems most impractical!


  8. It seems our engineers in the BU family show some fear to comment on this ABC Highway issue. From inception Gline Clarke and his crew indicated that the flyovers/overpasses and road widening was the first part of the solution to resolve traffic issues.

    The question posed by the BU family is whether it makes since to spend millions on roads and flyovers/overpasses as a oppose to mass transit solutions. The fact that corruption in when such large projects occur is always present is a parallel issue.


  9. @ABC Source, and BU.David, for bringing this forward. Again…

    My position on this is rather than simply tell us “Flyovers are the only solution”, please present the *evidence* that this is so.

    Show us the analysis, including the inputs, so it can be peer reviewed.

    I also question if the analysis was complete enough. Taking a single roundabout as a “test” is, IMHO, simplifying things *way* too much. Our road network is a *network*. The whole thing must be considered.

    As an analogy, it would be a bit like someone being told that they have a 54 mb/s wireless connection to their xDSL modem, and expecting to be able to download content from some remote server at that rate.

    Is I pointed out somewhere else here on BU quite some time ago, it would be trivial and inexpensive to use the cellular networks to determine *true* vehicular movement, while still maintaining anonymity for each driver. This would allow for a *true* analysis of *actual* traffic flow characteristics.

    If I (and we) can be provided with the above, and the analysis proves me wrong (read: that there would be economic benefit from the investment), I’ll be the first to admit it.

    But this hasn’t happened yet….


  10. @BU Family…

    Further to my above…

    Before *any* money should be put into construction, we need to *know* what the results will be from said construction.

    This means simulation, analysis and *hard, empirical, data*, across the entire network.

    There already exists Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) software to do this. All we need are the inputs.

    My opinion is a few very inexpensive things which could be done to mitigate the horrendous traffic problems here in Barbados include:

    1. Make several routes into and out of Bridgetown one-way-only. Possibly, with the direction changing depending on the time of day.

    2. Introduce the rule (enforced by law and fines and high-resolution video cameras *which are actually observed and acted upon*) that no-one should enter a roundabout if they know they cannot exit within ten seconds. This would eliminate the prisoner’s dilemma I’ve written about extensively before, which results in those who *could* exit immediately currently being blocked by those crossing to a congested “drain”.

    3. Fully blocking, or making one-way-only (by way of inexpensive, but very effective, “Severe Tire Damage” devices, since almost no one is actually going to honour the laws/rules), exits onto several of the major arteries.

    I believe, after thinking about this a great deal, that my (and other’s) above suggestions would be much less costly, and much more economically beneficial, than “Flyovers”.

    Best regards to all.


  11. @Chris

    Thanks for the above. Is there a hint as to why the inputs used to informed decisions on the ABC overpasses and road widening has not been made public?
    Not to beat up on the BAPE people but is/was there a window for their voices to be/have been more strident as far as requesting info from MPW is concerned?

    BTW Chris the GIS has advertised that any member of the public can call to make an appointment to speak to the Minister on any matter. Perhaps there is an opportunity…


  12. Chris

    Do you seriously think that you are the only person who knows how to run a computer programme?

    All engineers and especially traffic engineers/road builders do this all the time?
    These people are experts in their fields – they have nothing to gain at all by NOT doing the most professional job possible. The ABC highway was a prestigious project that could only enhance an engineers reputation .

    Just because these thing have been deliberately withheld from the public doesn’t mean that they dont exist.

    We all know that there was an MOU as proven by Mia Mottley in her reply to the opposition speech. We know it was signed by Nash Lovell and Winston Coppin on behalf of the Barbados Government.

    Even it appears the BU has now acknowledged that there is a comprehensive traffic study that covers all aspects of the traffic problems here.
    This traffic study will of course reappear in due course – probably masquerading as the work of the MPW.

    It now appears a change in thinking – the flyovers will at some point in the future be built – using local expertise
    However whats the betting it will be the 3S designs that ARE implemented when this time comes.

    Of course they will ( at this time in the future) be twice as expensive as all the bodge up road work will have to be undone)


  13. @David: “Is there a hint as to why the inputs used to informed decisions on the ABC overpasses and road widening has not been made public?

    No hints… But one might speculate…

    @David: “Not to beat up on the BAPE people but is/was there a window for their voices to be/have been more strident as far as requesting info from MPW is concerned?

    Probably. But keep in mind, as far as I know, most BAPE members understand construction more than networks. (I’m happy to be proven wrong on this point.)

    @David: “Chris the GIS has advertised that any member of the public can call to make an appointment to speak to the Minister on any matter. Perhaps there is an opportunity…

    Indeed, perhaps there is….


  14. @ru4real… Sigh…

    @ru4real: “Do you seriously think that you are the only person who knows how to run a computer programme?

    Show me where I ever said this.

    In fact, I went further, and said that such software is COTS!!! I.e., that *anyone* can run such software. So long as they have the inputs. (And, of course, be able to question said inputs.)

    All I am now, and have ever, asked for is: the *data* and the resulting *analysis*… And, perhaps, those who did the latter…

    None of this has been particularity forthcoming….


  15. @ David

    The question posed by the BU family is whether it makes since to spend millions on roads and flyovers/overpasses as a oppose to mass transit solutions.
    ___________________________

    Yes it does!!

    The cost of mass transit infrastructure and maintenance, the subsidised fares plus a lack of the required levels of ridership would cripple it

    I repeat the solution lies in an analysis of the existing land use pattern and its relationship with the highway NOT simply engineering cosmetics. The ‘creation’ at Wildey is purely engineering and clearly failed to identify that relationship.


  16. @Enuff… I agree with *part* of your above.

    Specifically: “The ‘creation’ at Wildey is purely engineering and clearly failed to identify that relationship.

    What IDIOT suggested *that* solution? Seriously, I’d like to know exactly WHO put their name behind that solution…

    Clearly, that solution had not be analysed, nor simulated.

    It was more along the lines, of: “Let’s spend a few million, and see if this helps…

    Software simulation is *much* less expensive than construction. And you can try many different solutions, before committing to any.

    IMHO, you only construct *after* the software simulations tells you (with a reasonable level of probability) that the construction costs will be worth the investment…

    And only after you’ve tested *many* different options.

    (If you’re serious, you’ll explore the *entire* possible solution space of *all* the different options (using cheap CPU time running simulations based upon hard data, rather than construction costs). But one step at a time here in Barbados, apparently…).


  17. @Chris
    What IDIOT suggested *that* solution? Seriously, I’d like to know exactly WHO put their name behind that solution…
    ***************************************
    Former DLP candidate Abdul Pandor


  18. @Miss Ting… LOL… Really?

    Did M. Pandor have an engineering background? Did they have supporting engineering documentation?

    I grow *so* tired of those who try to change the laws of physics because it suites them at that particular instant….


  19. @Chris

    Are you questioning Pandor’s credentials? Have a look in the Telephone Directory (yellow pages), he is a registered licensed engineer.

    Perhaps the question to be asked is whether he is/was the man to finish the ABC job/advise government. The fact that he is a former DLP candidate and card carrying member who ran against Billy smacks of political patrimony. Is this the way we want to run our affairs?


  20. @David… Be careful… I don’t do politics. I do *reality*…

    I’ve simply said that what is currently happening at (on the) Wildey (triangle) is stupid…

    Someone else has said that M. Pandor was behind this.

    I stand behind what I say — what is happening at the “Wildey Triangle” is stupid. This was obviously not well thought out…

    Best regards, to all….


  21. @BU.David: “Have a look in the Telephone Directory (yellow pages), he is a registered licensed engineer.

    Wow. Impressive. I’ll bow down immediately….


  22. I’m now bowing…


  23. Please, sirs, let me know when I might stand up….


  24. @BU David, et al…

    I stand behind my statement (bowing) that M. Pandor was *stupid* if he actually stood behind and believed in the “Wildey Triangle”.

    Please let me know when I might stand up again….


  25. @Chris

    You need to rise before you contract a bad case of the cramps!

    BU is with you about the Wildey Triangle being a decision of the utmost stupidity.


  26. @David… Hia Sensei!


  27. @David,
    What exactly is wrong with the Wildey Triangle…..


  28. @Bush Tea

    The side of the triangle which stretches from BET to the gas station and receives traffic from Upton on one side and Wildey the other, makes it very challenging for motorists. Over a very short stretch motorists need to find the correct lanes. The fact that vehicles are barrelling down the BET hill at speed spices the task.

    BT you must know this right? Your question is rhetorical?


  29. @Bush Tea… Or from another point of view…

    Let us assume (as we assume you know)… You’re travelling west and you wish to turn north up the hill past BET, CBC and then Pine Hill…

    No, you can’t actually do that now… Instead you must keep travelling west, and then do a 170 degree U-turn at Carters (for which you have the right of way, but very few will actually give you the right of way…) to then travel east to then turn left (north) to continue on your intended route.

    Quite possibly the dumbest solution ever….


  30. Ok David,….so it is a another tricky stretch of the ‘so-called highway. There are many other ‘tricky’ ( read Dangerous) sections of this highway.

    The point however is that this is a ‘highway’ only in the sense that highway 2a and East coast road are ‘highways’…

    What highway what!??

    This is a regular road – just a bit wider. You ever see a highway with pedestrian crossings ever few kilometers?

    You ever see a highway with old ladies and schoolchildren routinely having to cross it?

    The problem is that some people went way and come back to this little 2 X 4 island with grand ideas….

    The Wildey triangle in the current circumstances is not an unreasonable compromise. It would indeed be stupid if it was part of a ‘real real’ highway. The sooner we realize that the ABC is a ROAD and impose the 60 Km/hr speed limit the better it will be for everyone.
    ….its not as though it is possible to get anywhere at 80 km/hr anyway – this limit only encourages recklessness.

    Re the triangle, do you agree that those who prefer not to change lanes have the option of staying in lane and going around the appropriate roundabout to reach their destination?..

    The point however is, given the political, financial and traffic conditions what other options could you or CH see?

    LOL, of course ru4real would like to place flyovers over ever pothole….


  31. @Chris
    Don’t come with that one!

    Every highway system in the world have examples of roundabout routes that must be taken in the interest of continuous flow.
    We all would like to take a straight line route to our destinations – but life just is not like that.

    When *that* option was available there were many other ‘traffic problems’ and other delays.


  32. @Bush Tea…

    You don’t actually live here in Bim.

    Do you?


  33. @Bush Tea

    You know we have discussed the Wildey Triangle at length and two clear blogs came out of it, 1 and 2.

    Also surprise at your comment

    The Wildey triangle in the current circumstances is not an unreasonable compromise. It would indeed be stupid if it was part of a ‘real real’ highway. The sooner we realize that the ABC is a ROAD and impose the 60 Km/hr speed limit the better it will be for everyone.

    Yes it is a happy compromise in the design in lieu of overpasses but has anybody factored how dangerous it is?


  34. @ Bush Tea

    ABC is a HIGHWAY within the Barbadian context!!!


  35. @BU Family… This is *so* funny…

    Bush Tea has just outed himself that he doesn’t actually live in Barbados…

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL….


  36. OK David,

    ….still waiting for the obvious alternative option….


  37. @Enough

    …so is the Ermie Bourne Highway….
    ..or do I need to spell it out?


  38. “Also, as stated at earlier points in this Manifesto, the other public officials that shall become nationally elected are: Judges on the High Court and Court of Appeal of Barbados, the Chancellor and Vice- Chancellor of the University of Barbados, the President and Vice-President of the National Investigations Bureau, the Director and Deputy Director of Public Prosecution and Defense Offices, the President and Vice-President of the State Audit Office, and the President and Vice-President of the National Non-Repayable Productive Loans Scheme, and the President and Vice-President of the National Money Value System.”

    “Such persons shall be elected every four years, except for Judges whom shall be every five years. These individuals shall be elected at the same time as when members of the Cabinet of Barbados are being elected. Also, these kinds of public officials shall also be elected from nominations provided to such positions. Such nominations will be on Nomination Day. And the elections to such positions conducted on the basis of National Elections to such the positions on National Election Day.”

    “They shall serve as Assistants to the Cabinet (quasi-Cabinet positions) in their capacities as advisors to the Cabinet, in their own right, and from the perspective of their respective substantive professional positions, and as initiators of policy and legislation which both the Cabinet and Legislature shall be bound NOT to refuse to consider/acknowledge, but which shall – in the same or amended form – have to have majority approval from the Cabinet or the People’s Legislature, or in the case of fundamental legislation going to the Legislature, two thirds approval of the legislature before becoming the policy or law of the country.”

    “Amendments shall be done by the initiators themselves or the Cabinet or the Legislature. These Cabinet Assistants shall also have the right to attend Cabinet Meetings but NOT the right to vote on decisions of the Cabinet. They shall be Partners in State Partnership Incorporated. No Cabinet Assistant can be dismissed by the Cabinet or another Cabinet Assistant. Moreover, these Assistants shall ONLY be regulated by what the then to be reformed Barbados Constitution states or any other appropriate laws in regard of their functions, but anyhow shall NOT be ruled over by the Cabinet in relation to being Assistants to the Cabinet.” – Pages 399-400 of the SMFD/PDC Manifesto.

    This type of intervention is necessary and crucial from the point of view of bringing clarity to some issues that might otherwise result from the earlier blog by PDC relative to what will be the role of Judges in relationship to the Coalition Executive Cabinet of Barbados, whenever a PDC Government comes to office in this country.

    PDC


  39. LOL, of course ru4real would like to place flyovers over ever pothole….
    ——————————————–
    That would be an unending task!
    Ever asked yourself why there are so many potholes?
    Because the road building methods are crap and slipshod and outdated.
    We have one decently laid road the ABC highway at least the bit before the reversion to the time honoured bodgeit and babarit system.


  40. One road builder has identified the cause of the pothole problem and has the solution for it.
    It involves importing material for the foundations, as the rock found in most places here is said to be too soft for road building.

    A stretch of road in Lears demonstrates the ability to pave roads that can withstand the abuse of heavy duty vehicles.

    Men have become millionaires using the “bodgeit and babarit” system. Why would they willingly change a system that works for them?


  41. The merge lane from the highway going to Salters at Norman Niles, creates problems for those coming from Bridgetown wanting to go to Salters, as the solid line forces you to the right and into the path of those who continue to believe that the right lane is the best option for going straight.

    The single lane is too short to permit effective merging at the exit and will create a bottleneck. Someone need to take a second look at those markings before Wednesday.


  42. @ru4real
    ….ha ha, I note that you did not dispute the suggestion that you would like to ‘flyover’ ever pothole (LOL)

    I actually agree with you about the shoddy road construction leading to quick degradation. But the ABC will degrade just now too…

    …as General Lee says, if you could make millions in profits from some idiots (us) by rebuilding a road every two years why would you make it last 40 years?

    …and General Lee, the answer does NOT lie in importing anything!!!

    …it lies in building CONCRETE ROADS with local concrete.

    ….every time COW hears that suggestion he goes on radio and TV in a panic explaining how ‘noisy’ and ‘hard’ concrete roads are….. LOL …and of course foolish Bajans buy his crap.

    …the best engineered roads in the world – the Autobahns, are usually concrete… and the best ones in Barbados are also concrete – there are many examples here….

    The ‘problem’ is that these concrete roads don’t require redoing for decades…


  43. @ General Lee

    Those new road markings on the round-abouts are ALL wrong. Surely that is some kind of joke….

    The markings actually give right of way for someone coming into the round-about (as you indicate) over a motorist already in the round-about who has to cross a lane marking in order to exit the roundabout… while someone entering from the highway has a clear lane through the round-about.

    ….fortunately hardly anyone pays any attention to these ridiculous road markings put down by the ministry….LOL … so we should be alright.


  44. @Bush Tea

    The BU household last time we checked does not have any engineers or professionals of like training present!

    At this late stage the question may not be what alternatives are open to the planners but more so what mitigating efforts can be applied to save lives. If we were in Minister John Boyce’s position the immediate decision BU would make would issue the following edict:

    Effective immediately all Wildey bound traffic (West) along Upton Road to the junction of the ABC Highway will be discontinued. All BET bound traffic along the section of the Widey triangle from Texaco to BET will have to turn left at the junction of the ABC Highway and proceed to up the hill, vehicular traffic wanting to proceed to Upton or to connect to the ABC Highway can use the CDB Roundabout. The Observatory Road will become one-way between 7AM and 6PM.

    The above is not a solution but one forced to save lifes given the current design of the Wildey Triangle. Do we recall correctly the triangle was a temporary measure? Other traffic decision would have to be rolled-out to accommodate the above.


  45. Until the planners decide to develop commercial areas outside of St. Michael, St James and Christ Church, stagger working hours and reducerestrict the amount of private vehicles entering Bridgetown, there will always be unbearable congestion on H6 and H7 to a lesser extent.

    People should avoid the ABC highway as much as possible by utilizing as many cross country roads as possible.

    More gas yes, but less frustration.


  46. Under advisement…

    I would like to publicly apologize to M. Pandor for my above comments.

    I do, however, stand behind my believe that the “Wildey Triange” was implement without a *complete* analysis of the situation, and the likely resulting dynamics.


  47. ….so CH?

    Where is the apology for the ‘outing’ of Bush Tea -falsely claiming that the bushman in a non resident flag waver?
    LOL!!

    …well?!!


  48. @BU Family… I’m not doing that well this weekend, am I?

    I would like to publicly apologize to BT for any comments I made in his general direction (or location)….


  49. @ CH

    Actually Chris, in my book you are doing damn well!!!
    I wish to join in thanking you for your well reasoned and logical defense of BU over on the BFP blog.

    ….Well reasoned and logical, but wasted….
    Those people have no time for anyone who sees things differently than they do.. It is their way – or you are damned!!

    It is a characteristic that is typical of certain nationalities – and which I truly expected from you when you first appeared on BU….. you have proved me wrong (and I have not admitted to being so proved since MME hit me with a wicked analogy about a twin otter plane last year….)

    Indeed, if you continue with this personality you may soon join ‘Lowdown’ Hoad on my list of highly admired people…..

    …but don’t get big-headed, Lowdown is a 70/100 and you now running at ’bout 30…. LOL

    …apology happily accepted. LOL


  50. The PDC contributions are often lengthy and comical. These guys can’t be serious. How can a country develop without taxation? Also, to abolish all motor vehicle insurance sounds like a one of those impossible election promises.
    I recall during the last election campaign I saw these two dreadlocked guys on TV and they were talking about what they propose to do when they win the government. I just couldn’t stop laughing. PDC, keep it up, I love good comedy.

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