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Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley
Leader of the Opposition Barbados Labour Party Mia Mottley
Mr. Harold Hoyte is a founding member of the Nation Group and is President and Editor-in-Chief of The Nation Publishing Company in Barbados.
Harold Hoyte Editor Emeritus of The Nation Publishing Company
Lindsay Holder, former Chairman of the BAMC
Lindsay Holder is a former Chairman of the Barbados Agricultural Management Company Limited

Over the last couple years BU has articulated, we hope dispassionately, on the issue of the open immigration policy which was practiced by the previous government. At no time have we supported xenophobic behaviour or bigotry in the ensuing discourse. We have simply held a position that while Barbados should be committed to its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, it does not mean that our borders should be assaulted by all and sundry seeking the proverbial streets lined with gold at the expense of the vision which Barbadians have held-up for itself through the years. BU readers can do a search using the keyword โ€˜immigrationโ€™ to access the many blogs posted on this subject.

The conspiracy which has emerged across the region to spin a false position in response to Prime Minister David Thompsonโ€™s Ministerial Statement after he announced an amnesty for CARICOM nationals, has been blatant and symptomatic of a political and social immaturity.

Any interested observer of regional affairs would conclude that the issue of immigration is a topical one. Since the announcement by Thompson of the amnesty the issue has become accentuated. In the Advocate Newspaper of 14 June 2009 a Mr. Lindsay Holder was as clear as anyone can be in elucidating on the immigration issue which Barbados and the region is currently battling, he did so without the use of jargon, fuzzy logic, ideological or jingoistic biases. We highly commend the Advocate Newspaper for giving voice to this important issue which is being manipulated by politicians, academics, Fourth Estate and prominent and other influential persons in Barbados and across the region.

As the popular saying goes we will probably not agree with the many persons who submit articles to be published on BU, but we will always defend their right to be heard. In recent days BU in this vain would have published two submissions by George Braithwaite, a PhD Candidate in International Politics researching the topic of immigration in the region.

In the Sunday Sun of 14 June 2009 the headline Bad Rep, the Opposition Leader of Barbados Mia Mottley was highly critical of the Barbados governmentโ€™s new immigration policy. She suggested that Barbados isย  likely to suffer a backlash from some Caricom members as a result. The point which continues to elude Mottley is the fact that managing our borders is a matter of sovereignty and MUST not be dictated by those who themselves have done a muck-up job of managing their own countries.

Increasingly in recent weeks one of the characteristics which defines an American has beenย  been flickering in the minds of the BU household. The best definition we could find of what it meansย  to be an American is an unswerving support and devotion to our flag, our elected officials, our men and women in uniform. For others, patriotism means criticizing politicians when they take America in the wrong direction, protesting in the streetsโ€”sometimes even burning the flag. Patriotism also has complex ties to citizenship, race, and nationalism, as well as to the ways in which we remember our wars and the people who fought in them โ€“ University of Chicago.

Barbados for all that it has accomplished, and which has led to it being considered the island of opportunity in the region, has been allowing slowly but surely, a conspiracy by some to take root to undermine the Bajan success. The issue which Barbados faces is not honouring its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, but one of ensuring that it effectively manages the country in the way that it has successfully done in a post-independence era.ย  Many of the countries in the region who are crying foul of the new immigration policy i.e. Guyana and St. Vincent would do well to use Barbados as a model to their own revival of political and economic fortunes.

The two stakeholders in Barbados we are most disappointed are the Opposition Barbados Labour Party and the Fourth Estate. In the face of a regional conspiracy to undermine the reputation and goodwill of Barbados which was built under the astute management by successive governments, we have a situation now where for political expediency the government in waiting is safeguarding it legacy by confusing the illegal immigration problem faced by Barbados by masking its position in the known challenges of implementing a political and economic union. In another place BU used the analogy that if CARICOM/CSME were a regional company its profitability would hinge on an efficient implementation of aย  vertical integration strategy. CARICOM conversely has not done enough to strengthen and harmonize key institutions and procedures.

The Fourth Estate in Barbados has aided and abetted the vulnerable position which Barbados now finds itself by being unpatriotic in the positions is has taken, the Nation Newspapers and Voice of Barbados the main culprits. The media in Barbados has been generous in giving a voice to an anti-government sentiment concerning the immigration issue. The populist view in Barbados is a commonsense view that the previous governmentโ€™s position of allowing unskilled people whether from Guyana, Jamaica and elsewhere is untenable. Even the other ethnic groups from Europe and China have come under the microscope. Talk show host Dennis Johnson always uses the example that all are welcome to Barbados but it must be done under agreed terms. In other words if you are invited to someone’s home one still needs to knock on the door and remain seated in the sitting room before being invited to the bedroom. After all it is our home and respect and common courtesies are due!

The fact that our Fourth Estate in Barbados gives a generous voice to Rickey Singh, who continues to bite the hand which has fed him for so many years, and not give EQUAL voice to other views which represent ordinary Barbadians is disgusting. Bare in mind that Singh has not used his pen to expose the atrocities currently at play in Guyana.

The fact that the Fourth Estate ignores the hatchet job being done on the good reputation of Barbados by Singh, Saunders et al who are syndicated columnists and remain passive to respond is an indictment on their duty to accurately report the views of ordinary Barbadians who are its supporters.

The fact that the Guyanese media has been freely publishing articles which are unfairly critical of Barbadosโ€™ immigration policy with no response from the Barbados media except to cherry pick those opinions which support narrow political views is hypocrisy of a high level.

The fact that the media in Barbados continues to blackout reporting on the political and racial tensions in Guyana which have spurred an exodus of Guyanese to swarm the smaller Caribbean nations to the North is journalistic dishonesty.

The fact that the media has ignored the commonsense concern of ordinary Barbadians that learned behaviours derived in a Guyanese environment rifted with racial conflict may pose issues to the stable host population of Barbados is ignorant.

The fact that the Fourth Estate and the Opposition Party of Barbados led by Mia Mottley sit passively and allow Jagdeo to cherry pick the issue of immigration to undermine the earned good reputation of Barbados is unpatriotic. The known political and racial conflict in Guyana and the accommodation of unsavoury people like Roger Khan et al which have been left silent represent a betrayal of Barbados and a usurping of their core responsibilities.

The Chairmanship of CARICOM will be passed to Jagdeo in July, he will without a doubt use tit o promote his narrow interest.ย  It maybe the last straw which will break the backย  and or setback the regional initiative of CARICOM and the CSME.


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  1. A Black Guyanese citizen was on Benschop radio Saturday evening and he complained that Faria only represent the interest of Indian Guyanese in barbados. The Guy said that whenever they go to see Faria he always come out wearing tight tight short pants, and gives no help to black people.

    Faria is one of the architects of the PPP’s racist policies against black guyanese. Jagdeo has hired a lot of white racist from all over the world, paying some of them as much as fifteen thousand US a month to advise him. They were even planning to recruit former white members of the South African apartheid era secret police to assist Roger Khan and his killing squad.

    Faria and them rest trying to keep people silent while they carry out their dirty schemes. People all over the world are learning about the transplantation of apartheid in the commonwealth caribbean. It all coming out now.


  2. I warned bajans from the start of this realisation of the influx of these guyanese, especially the indians into Barbados, then when they get here in sufficient numbers that they are going to cause havoc in this country. Problems only now start, the P.M has got to be firm and use all methods possible to get these illegals out or else pure hell brek down in we little Barbados. Already I hearing that many of them say they are not leaving, they would jump first, whatever that means.


  3. We Bajans are a strange lot.

    Over the years, how many of you have ever reported a suspected illegal immigrant to the immigration department?

    How many of you, have objected to them being employed by Barbadian employers?

    How many people refuse to rent them accommodation?

    When will we recognize that illegal immigrants do not exist in a vacuum?

    A large number of people and businesses profit in some form or fashion from having illegal immigrants on the island.

    Which politician has gonads big enough to upset this apple cart?

    I am of the belief that when this blows over, there will be not be any significant change in the status quo.


  4. You had better believe it, General Lee. This is just an exercise in diversion.


  5. “mash up & buy back // June 19, 2009 at 5:25 pm Kim young buzz off yuh creep.”

    Dear mash up and buy back:

    I am not Kim Young. I don’t know Ms. Young. I don’t know Ezra Alleyne either. I’ve never met Kim nor Ezra, not Lucille Baird”

    I am INDIFFERENT to them all, and to you too.

    But isn’t the church in zone 1 just a few metres across the gully from the “Bull’s Eye” reservoir at Carlton?

    If proper permission was obtained surely you can tell us when and where?

    Oh and I am not a creep either.


  6. So General Lee, are you willing to take your argument further? let me help you.

    What year was it that Owen Arthur made his famous statement “I employ guyanese too”?

    Why did need to say this?

    What year was it that the IMF via it’s yearly consultations with the Government of Barbados, first reported that wages in Barbados were comming down as a direct result to the importation of workers from the region?

    What year was it that an illegal immigrant working on a construction site in Barbados lost both hands in an accident?

    What year was it that Sir Roy Trotman complain of Bajans being sent home in favour of non-nationals, and made a call for an Employee registry?

    What year was it that the then GoB embarked on making changes to the immigration laws of Barbados?

    What year was it that we had 14 non-nationals working in Barbados for 10 dollars a day?

    What year was it that an illegal immigrant jump into the careenage in an attempt to escape lawfull apprehension after being deported three times?

    Continue to believe that this immigration debate just started. I understand why you would want to believe this, but the reality of the situation is that you are vastly outnumbered by persons with a differening view, and you should know that the majority always set the agenda. Their truth will win over yours. The only thing that is likely to blow over as a result is your view.


  7. BAJAN BORN // June 20, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Skipper, yuh flogging a dead horse bout โ€œdiscriminating aginst black peopleโ€. It dead.

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    ha ha ha ha keep dreaming. A recent incident of a black boy being beaten about the face while being called a nigger by two white men in Highgate gardens, proves this to a likely figment of your imagination.

    A recent incident of a white couple hurling racial epithets at a black motoris in Barbados during a traffic accident again proves your ignorance.


  8. Adrian H white Bajan racists like Bajan Born relish this distraction of blacks by the illegal immigrants. As Richie Haynes said look out for much more consolidation of their economic power and increase in their seperatist discrimination.

  9. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    I just heard annalee davis in jamaica saying the most horrible,horrible lies about barbados on jamaican radio.

    Saying that the immigration officers are torturing guyanese deportees when they are held at the airport by leaving the lights on all night etc.

    Is Paul Davis related to annalee davis.

    Why is the panel stacked in favour of the pro illegal immigration bunch.

    Only lindsay holder there is strongly putting forward the managed migration position.

    Listen to caswell franklyn who called and lindsay holder corrobating his call about how they are insulted by guyanese when they are in guyana – all because of the trouble stirred up by norman faria mia mottley ricky singh etc.

  10. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Negroman

    I hope you are listening to stinkin greaves telling caswell franklyn that no passports have ever been sold by any immigration officer.

    Listen to him saying how he regularised illegal non nationals during the construction boom.

    So these illegal immigrants once they were discovered were given regularised status because he did not want ‘the man project to come to a halt’.

    That is the decent’upright ‘ mr greaves Negroman,and there is more to come.


  11. Adrian Hinds // June 21, 2009 at 9:42 am

    I am perplexed by your conclusion. How could you have arrived at such from my above?
    As David would say, do a search of BU, using immigration as the keyword, to ascertain my position on this issue.

    How much censure did the former PM attract after his admission?

    How much was L&T fined for employing the 14 without work permits?

    What has happened to Barbadian companies and employers doing the same?

    Who were the enforcers then, am I to believe that every single one was unable to function effectively previously but will do so henceforth?

    The point I was trying to make in the above post is this; illegal immigration is driven by economics, as stated already by others.
    The majority that you speak of, having no economic clout, can do little more than complain. The present crop now in government, while in opposition said and did precious little to highlight this issue.

    Am I now supposed to believe that they have awaken from their slumber and are not simply jumping on this particular wagon?


  12. Good points General Lee!


  13. The point I was trying to make in the above post is this; illegal immigration is driven by economics, as stated already by others.
    The majority that you speak of, having no economic clout, can do little more than complain. The present crop now in government, while in opposition said and did precious little to highlight this issue.

    Am I now supposed to believe that they have awaken from their slumber and are not simply jumping on this particular wagon?
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    For me it is not a matter of their (dlp) sincerity. It is supporting the position that the majority of voter citizens have been agitating for, for sometime. When I look at your comments above, I see the points of a person who has the potential to see things as they are and deal with them in a non-partisan manner, but your presentation gives me pause, that this may not be your motive.

    The majority does have economic influence; they have chosen not to exercise it to their own detriment. They also have political influence, which is still not manifested in its clearest sense due to a malingering but dying practice for party diehard-ism. It is true that the two political parties behave very similar when in opposition, and we should continue to call them on it if we think the issue is of National importance. I set the example that I wish others to follow with the Trini fishing/maritime boundaries dispute, as I am here once again doing the same with immigration. It is entirely possible that the DLP is not sincere in their approach. It is possible that there is an abundance of political calculation in their willingness to take on the wishes of the people at this time. This is what I expect from political parties. As a non-partisan politically active voter citizen I to will not shy away from using, threatening, and demanding from the political class that my local and national needs be met. If they choose to do so with the caveat that it helps their position, I am not that concern. Therefore, while their sincerity would be a good thing, it is not a requirement for me to support a position that coalesces with mine.

  14. Johnnie Too Bad Avatar
    Johnnie Too Bad

    How beautiful it is to see and hear your selfish disposition Adrian, You are not concerned with the sincerity of your polticians once your needs are met, Taken to a logical conclusion, surely you must be concerned if your needs are met and the jokers thief the whole of the country at midnight. No, I do want some sincerity in my politicos, just how do you square this circle Adrian?
    Johnnietoobad.


  15. Haha, luckily i am too busy to be on everyday, unlike you adrian…do the phrases ” self righteous and pompous ” or “overly opinionated” strike a cord with you ?

    Listen, i have read your posts, and you do make some good points, altho u dont afford that kudo to others…however POLITICS is NOT everything, as someone noted ECONOMICS is the actual driving force behind all things globally “see iraq etc” …The immigration issue both problem and policy has always been driven by the socio economic dynamic of the country, when we were going thru the construction boom, the need for large quantities of cheap labour was there, thus the influx of guyanese…excuse me for not expanding, but all i am saying is that this issue cannot be dealt with on the POLITICAl landscape…it has to be dealt with at the root cause…which is in the demographic of the socio (social) economic landscape…as many of these aliens(our brothers and sisters) have established deep social ties with barbados and barbadians….

    Also my sharp friend (please do not miss the sarcasm) I am not using my ignorance of the law as an excuse…i simply stated that there seems to be no middle ground, i.e a way to rectify the situation….

    Finally, why did u migrate to the US ? was it to better your standard of living or education ? hmmmm…why do the guyanese come here ? why did our fore parents migrate to Guyana in the 50s ? panama ? US in the 70s and 80s to date actually, UK in the 50s/60s/70s why ??? I mean step back from your overly opinionated POLITICAL agenda and think ! how would you feel if your offspring were rounded up like animals or you mum or dad were locked up in little more that a 10 by 10 cell and treated horribly…..I am a very fair minded person….remember…u r what u think..KARMA IS A BIT…


  16. By the way, when Chris Gayle hits a six, or sarwan/Chanderpaul hits a boundary…even poor Sammy takes a diving catch or fidel moves a stump …do you say good shot Jamaican ! well done my bajan brother ! good catch yuh Monster Rat ! hmmm? no i am sure you say well done West Indies…our boys in burgundy ! or wud u prefer them to be wearing blue and gold …All i am saying is that there must be a more humane way to deal with this that to burst into someones home at 3 am and cart them off like pigs to market…..The few times i remember groups of people being rounded up and keep in quasi cages were …Hitlers germany, and some strange times on the West African Coast !

    “LEST WE FORGET” !


  17. lolol btw the way u wouldnt guess it , but I am David Thompson’s bigggggest supporter , or i am in the top 5 ! i just speak the truth !


  18. Can any one tell me how long the deportee in custody before being deported?

    Is there not a time period after the permit has run out where the now illegal are allowed to renew?

    Is their not a amnesty in place for people to come forth and get registered?


  19. David ellis on vob with a construction manager who is speaking out against the influx of guyanese and others.

    However ellis of course is talking his usual shite.

    Taking a blow at BU without naming the blog.

    He is back to this crap about racial tension being created if you continue to speak about this issue in a certain way.

    Just an excuse to sanitise the discussion.


  20. Anonymous // June 22, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    David ellis on vob with a construction manager who is speaking out against the influx of guyanese and others.
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    his credibility is suspect, that one David Ellis. He can come here and have his say, without fear that the blogs would censor him as VOB claims it needs to do from time to time. Come on David Ellis what is stopping you? no upper hand in the coversation?


  21. All you guyanese supporters are missing a vital point. Is it not true that the guyanese are fleeing their country because of government mismanagement? If Caricom leaders are so interested in intigration, why can’t they tell Jagdeo, he has to straighten up or step down. Regionalism is not obtained by just allowing nationals to move freely? The leaders would like that while the Gonsalves, Jagdeos and Kings of the region hang on to their positions and milk the economies of the more developed nations. If you really want a coming together, let them all step down from office and let there be one P.M/ President of Caricom and one cabinet. Then and only then would there be a positive step. I’m sure with proper management Guyana would become a force to be reckoned with globally.

  22. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Scout

    Not taking issue with your position. But, “If Caricom leaders are so interested in intigration, why canโ€™t they tell Jagdeo, he has to straighten up or step down. Regionalism is not obtained by just allowing nationals to move freely? The leaders would like that while the Gonsalves, Jagdeos and Kings of the region hang on to their positions and milk the economies of the more developed nations. If you really want a coming together, let them all step down from office and let there be one P.M/ President of Caricom and one cabinet. Then and only then would there be a positive step.” means that all national leaders would have to be removed from office so that the region could have one PM/President. Is that what you really envisage? Your suggestion cannot just target those whom someone feels are ‘bad’. Your suggestion cannot just target those whom someone feels are ‘bad’.


  23. LIB
    Definately not, the entire region will have to come together AS ONE. We tried it in a Federation many years ago and we know why it didn’t work; every leader wanted to be in charge. the same thing goes today, none of them want to step down from their ivory towers and become a simple citizen of a “Caribbean Republic”. Most of them have too much skeletons in their closet. What they would like is to sit down and come up with policies that would effect the average citizens while they live large. How can Barbados allow Tom, Dick and Harry and all others to swamp here while the locals who have made this country attractive enough for the world to take note, are pushed in the background. Even a docile dog, when cornered retaliates, why should Bajans not do the same?


  24. It is clear the scout is speaking about he leaders of the the countries that are not developing at the same pace as the rest of us,in other words the leaders that ent doing their Jobs.

  25. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @The Scout
    I know of very few political leaders who ever step down once they have power in their grasp.

    One of my challenges is to make remarks like “How can Barbados allow Tom, Dick and Harry and all others to swamp here while the locals who have made this country attractive enough for the world to take note, are pushed in the background.” It’s easy to say “swamp”, but then when asked to quantify we are in the dark. I can make any statement I want about a concern I have but I also need to know what is real. When you say “while the locals who have made this country attractive enough for the world to take note” the clear implication is that any one other than a local has made a zero contribution to Barbados’ success and that is just not going to fly.

    If you take away from illegals, foreigners have been and will continue to be a part of Barbados’ economic success. If you do not believe that, take a look at who makes up the tourist sector. Just take a look at the wasteland for business when foreigners do not come here.

    The issue about illegals is about rules/law, and that is irrespective of numbers: only 100 illegals shows laws/rules being broken, but no one might care because the number is small. The broader issues about immigration are really about numbers and composition, and could still be a problem even if there were no illegals. Legal migrants could be a real problem if by being legal they have all the rights of citizens and if they also consider making a place their home. So, zero illegal immigrants but 1000 legal immigrants could put any country into a worse situation.

  26. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Ready-Done
    “It is clear the scout is speaking about he leaders of the the countries that are not developing at the same pace as the rest of us,in other words the leaders that ent doing their Jobs.”

    But you cannot cherry-pick and I’m not sure you want to open the choice to those who are not part of the national electorate. You have PM Thomspon telling the region to butt out of national politics/policies.

    Today’s good leader may become tomorrow’s goat. The national will is what should be left to determine if they continue. If you want to get rid of whomever you see as bad, then that may work against your beloved leader at some time if others in the region feel otherwise. If you want to leave it open then recall US operations to deal with leaders in the region that they did not like.


  27. @LIB

    You continue to misunderstand the argument. A strength of the Barbados society through the years has been a sense of order. Not perfect by any means there was that sense which could easily be discern by observation. The PM has indicated he will comeback to the country on this matter of numbers and BU will hold him to it but we need to move forward. There is enough evidence whether by observation, Caricom nationals landed, anecdotal (Barbados is a tiny place). We know of the trips to Guyana by well placed people to import labour, we are aware of the contractors and cleaning companies which hire immigrants as a first option, we are aware of the corrupt immigration officers who for a loyal bed following would compromise the oversight intended by the immigration unit. Last but not least we are aware of the unprofessionalism of the media in dealing with the immigration and other matters where specific instructions were given not to mention Guyanese when they had to be portrayed in a negative light.

    We could go on but as sensible Barbadians we don’t have to wait until Barbados is mired like others around us to take action. If we are wrong we will have the benefit of the doubt thank you.


  28. LIB
    You and others are making a stupid statement, you’re looking for numbers. We don’t have to give numbers, just walk, mix ans observe the large numbers of non-bajans in this country. Check with work sites and see the amount of migrance working on these sites. Then check with locals who go on these sites and are sometimes blatantly told “we don’t employ bajans.” Plus check in a vast majority of these “big=ups” houses and see who is the maid, not a bajan. The reason why? because they can pay these illegals small wages and demand unrealistic duties from them like washing the blankets in the dog kennel by hand. When these maids protest, they are threatened by attempting to call immigration to get them deported. There are certain levels of this society that is returning Barbados to the days of slavery, or maybe back to the early 1900’s that I used to hear my Grandparents talk about. If we allow these people to dominate our soiciety then our standard of living will be drastically reduced. We bajans have worked too hard to develop the style of living that we have to allow these illegals to pull us back into the pit. We owe it to our offspring to protect this country from such.

  29. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David

    I don’t think I misunderstand ‘the’ argument (though I do not get the idea that there is one, rather than several).

    “A strength of the Barbados society through the years has been a sense of order” is something well understood. Yet, what you then bring to the table shows a series of systematic disorderly activities, in terms of things that go against the law and order. Square that circle for me. What your argument shows is more a problem of disorderly actions by Barbadians, the results of which undermine many things. If I misunderstand that, then please show how.

    “We could go on but as sensible Barbadians we donโ€™t have to wait until Barbados is mired like others around us to take action.” You suggest that you are the sensible ones are everyone else is a fool? That does not fly either, and repeating it wont make it true.


  30. I think that it would be good if we could get this immigration problem settled!

    I detest how some of the Guyanese are being treated! I know for a FACT that there is a particular person in Barbados who has a Guyanese as the housekeeper, babysitter as well as her assistant in her business.

    Cud Christ man that is not fair. Now if this was a bajan they would have to pay them WAY MORE! But because it is the GT they exploit them! UNFAIR!

    David Thompson do what you have to do!


  31. LIB YOU IS SOMETHING ELSE FUH TRUT!

    You dont give a rat’s asssss about Barbados! When it is overrun and you open your ….. mouth you will claim oh it is because of this AND I KNOW YOU AND FAMILY will disappear! (Cause remember you only come here because of your wife) That alone shows your position on this matter!

    You cant ram nothing down our throats!


  32. We have come so far in our development that we can’t turn back now. Take for example, years ago,you could tell a painter, or carpenter, mason, or any construction worker by the cloths he wears to work. Today, office worker, maid, truck driver, clerk, they all dress similarly and many of them drive to work. It is development, we are each just doing a job. This has been a bug bearer for many of those “big-boys”, that’s why they relish the opertunity to exploit these illegals and would resist the P.M in his policy.
    I was at one of these houses one day and witnessed something that turned my stomach. This couple had friends over for lunch. When they were finish eating and talking and the friends left, the lady of the house, put the food that remained from the four of them plates and called the illegal maid for her lunch. She came and ate joyfully, a few days later, because she refused to wash the dirty, messy dog blanket without gloves, that woman called immigration dept and had that woman deported. By next week another such illegal took her place. Is this what we want for Barbados. Incedentally, the lady of the house was the wife of a diector who is working here for an international organisation. Words get around at that circle, who to employ. We MUST put a stop to this. Sure you wouldn’t find a bajan do that, that is why you would hear that these illegals are doing work that bajans wouldn’t do but is this what we should encourage?


  33. We have allowed persons like you to come and judge us! You think Britain, Ireland, where ever it is that you come from, that bajans can tell the native inhabitants what to do!

    Wars have been fought for land!

    Why you here again to insult us and our way of life right!


  34. Every post on BU which has to do with Opposition Leader Mia Mottley or the BLP generates most comment.

    That suggests that the people see them as being relevant and as having what it takes to rescue Barbados and put it back on track.

    In this time of turmoil and recssion, the BLP remains a beacon of hope for Barbadians and the people of the region – hence to Barbadians.

  35. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @The Scout
    “You and others are making a stupid statement, youโ€™re looking for numbers. We donโ€™t have to give numbers, just walk, mix ans observe the large numbers of non-bajans in this country.”

    I’m with Bajans and non-Bajans a lot of the time. You equate non-Bajan with illegals. That is bogus. I have a non-Bajan working for me, whom I brought from my previous position in Africa and her working papers are in order, like mine through 2010. Several acquaintances are in a similar position. Most of the people who offer services in my neighbourhood are Bajans.

    Let me share my experience over the last week doing just that, giving some not all instances.

    1. Building site: (a) Bajan foreman, Jamaican and Guyanese carpenters (all legals, judging by the ID cards). Home owner: Barbadian. (b) Manager-English, workers Chinese (Barbadian government-sponsered).
    2. Restaurant: all serving staff Bajans (or I should say speaking with Bajan accents); cooking staff Japanese; guests mainly non-Bajans; hosts Bajans whose parents came here 60 years ago.
    3. Large regional corporation: CEO-English; executives-various, English, Bajan, St. Lucian; sales staff-all Bajan.
    4. Hotel: manager-Jamaican; front desk staff-Bajans; service staff-Bajans; bar and restaurant staff-Bajans.
    5. Plastics company: all Bajans
    6. Agricultural company: owner (white) Bajan; staff-Bajans.
    7. Court: law officers-all Bajan; violent crime offenders/accused-10 Bajans, one Jamaican (picked up at GAIA); traffic offenders-Bajans (about 60), one Canadian, one English.
    8. Schools: Teachers, mainly Bajan, some English, some Trini. Children: mainly Bajans, some foreign (Europe, US, other Caricom)
    9: Football match: crowd-all Bajan; did not get to check on the make up of the local teams playing.

    Those are some of my ‘casual observations’.

    David has said we should wait for PM Thompson to provide the numbers, which presumably he is doing because he thinks they are important–not the whole story, for sure. I will also wait and hope that his disclosures give some better understanding of what is the situation.


  36. Lawrence Dupreyโ€™s CL Financial Group provided scarcely imaginable largesse to the ruling Peopleโ€™s National Movement (PNM) party in the last general election at a time when it was already on the ropes-short on cash and highly leveraged.

    The by-then cash-poor conglomerate bankrolled the 2007 election campaign of the Patrick Manning-led PNM party to the tune of some TT$20 million, according to sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    And while much of CLโ€™s money went through a somewhat circuitous route to sundry suppliers of goods and services: from the printing of fliers and tee shirts to tent and maxi-taxi rentals, the bulk of it was applied to direct billings from advertising agencies for media activity, said sources.

    Some of it however, was paid directly into the partyโ€™s coffers. One such payment was made directly to the Peopleโ€™s National Movement from the groupโ€™s insurance subsidiary, Clico, on June 28, 2007, for the generous sum of TT$5 million.

    The TT$5 million cheque, drawn from a Republic Bank-held account at Independence Square in Port of Spain, was endorsed less than a month before the November 5, 2007, vote by Rose Janierre, assistant party secretary and Linus Rogers, PNM elections officer.

    The TT$5 million Clico payout to the PNMโ€™s war chest was made at a time when the countryโ€™s No1 insurance company had already been red-flagged with solvency issues, a statutory fund deficit of close to a billion dollars and what financial observers warned were dangerously excessive levels of inter-party transactions within the group.

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/news/local/06/22/clico-tt20m-pnm-gift/


  37. Anonymous // June 23, 2009 at 10:04 am

    LIB YOU IS SOMETHING ELSE FUH TRUT!

    You dont give a ratโ€™s asssss about Barbados! When it is overrun and you open your โ€ฆ.. mouth you will claim oh it is because of this AND I KNOW YOU AND FAMILY will disappear! (Cause remember you only come here because of your wife) That alone shows your position on this matter!

    You cant ram nothing down our throats!
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    Why should he. He is a Jamaican with a fake British Accent. No ties that could bind him to us.

    PM although it cannot be said that he targeted Dennis Jones as I don’t think he factors that high in the thoughts of our leaders, The PM clearly spoke about activity of NON-BARBADIANS that defines Dennis Jones sojourn here. The man has demonstrated in words, his utmost dislike of many things on this island including it’s people. I would still listen to him any day. That accent is priceless comedic value. ha ha ha lol!

    Remember B.C.Pires came to us with a big roar, and all that was heard was the same empty and tired Bajan dis Bajan dah, dis island is just uh speck uh sand etc. Now today hardly anyone can recall what he writes. Having an impact? hardly. anyway Keep talking Dennis I listening. ha ha ha lol!


  38. You as well as the GOB should be shame to mention all the positions that these non nationals are taking up!

    You mean to tell me that you cannot find a bajan to fill any of those positions!

    Lets carry it a little further, and YET you crucify Barbados for not allowing non nationals to come in when you just proved that you know many persons who are legally living here!

    What is Barbados doing that is so wrong in making sure that there is a proper managed migration policy!


  39. In other words Scout, Dennis Jones is telling you that what seek to defend as already been lost. You can believe him and let it come to past. Or you can continue to put pressure on our political class ready to vote their asses in and out until you get the group that understands that YOU the born and Bread Bajan is core to this country. The Barbados that Dennis Jones describes is one to his benefit, and not yours. 2010 Cannot come sooner.


  40. Scout very well said.These pro – immigrant sentimentalists are not rational or reasonable in their support for illegal immigrants.

    It is unfair to Barbados or any country in this world that people could blatantly mislead or put false information of their immigration cards when visiting a country.I am tired of hearing that illegal immigrants are being unfair in Barbados.It serves them right because they should not be in the country in after their legal visit has ended.Illegal immigrants have no rights whatsoever and whatever treatment is meted out to them is justify.

    Living in Barbados.Why are you trying to intellectualize the issue.You are talking about scientific data,quantitative deduction & all the other fancy terms to rationalize the issue.Even though those methods are useful in many subject matters,in the context of this issue it is not necessarily.The data is there for all of us to see.We see it in our districts.We see it when we go about our daily activities such as shopping in town,on the beach or in any social setting.We do not need any set of figures to recognize that we have a real problem with illegal immigration.

    Living in Barbados ,it is non-national dishonest intellectuals like yourself who believe that Barbadians are unintelligent and are unable to rationalize or debate issues at a particular level.

    Living in Barbados I have read many of your comments and you have not impressed me and I am sure many other Barbadians that our new immigration policy is wrong and you have not given credence to support the illegal immigration issue.

    Illegal immigrants have no rights whatsoever in any country and those that caught should be treated in any manner deem desirable.

  41. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    Certain things are clear. Earlier in this thread, David argued that there is not one voice or opinion amongst journalists or politicians on this (or any matter): “Should we assume that all the journalists at the Nation and VOB think as one on the issue of immigration?” he wrote. There is also not jsut one voice or opinion more generally.

    I’m prepared (and currently have time) to make arguments that may not be shared by others, and do not bolster them by offering personal slights. I am prepared to pick holes in what I see as weak logic.

    @Adrian
    My English accent is as real as my French and Russian accents, though they come over less well on English-speaking radio. If I speak in Jamaican patois, then I would have to deal with a similar set of “Is wha’ he sey?” So, pick your poison.

    As another asked about ‘ties that bind’, should the voice of those who have left Barbados and speak from afar be the same as those who have come from afar and are now here in Barbados? Bizzy Williams has shown recently how easy it easy to confuse things on matters such as that.

    The PM’s comments about non-Barbadians pointed in several directions, for sure, but it’s also interesting that many of the opposing voices are in fact Barbadians, and well-known ones too.


  42. Immigration and Economic Growth.

    Policy makers should remember that a major objective of policy must be to increase the happiness of citizens and residents of a country. In this regard for most persons, increases in income are very important.

    Economic models inform us that increases in population will result in increases in the GDP (total wealth of the country) for the simple reason that, at a minimum, the consumption component of GDP will increase- the immigrants must eat, buy clothes, etc. Additionally, the new immigrants, mostly from the Caribbean, help to provide labour for the construction and the agricultural sectors, but there are also non- Caribbean immigrants whose contribution to the economy might be less important in terms of increasing the wealth of the average Barbadian.

    Our Caribbean bothers and sisters contributions might be less but they also take less in terms of salaries and profits.

    Whether immigrants are from the Caribbean, Europe, or elsewhere we still have to determine if, at the end of the day, the average Barbadian is better off as a result of large-scale immigration? A bigger economy does not necessarily mean than the average person gets a bigger slice of the economic wealth.

    In the context of Barbados, before we get very far in the process of increasing the GDP through immigration, we would have had to deal with the balance of payments constraints. Will there be enough foreign exchange to support the increase in consumption? We can borrow foreign exchange and sell off real estate to foreigners to attract inflows and have healthy looking foreign reserves. But this approach is not sustainable

    To solve the foreign exchange problem, the structure of production in our economy would have to be changed in a manner that results in the increased production of exportables. Can we do it? The required structural changes have eluded us in the past.

    The growth models also inform us the average income for depends on the capital available to each worker and the productivity of workers. The capital per worker measures the physical and social infrastructure available to each worker. Physical capital would be primarily the equipment that can be provided. Social infrastructure would be things like education, health, housing etc. Where will the money come to provide the new immigrants and existing workers with the capital to make this economy more competitive?

    Perhaps the major influence on the income of the average Barbadian is technological change, which is essentially the ability of the workers and managers to be innovative. If the new immigrants are innovative and entrepreneurial and existing workers learn from the immigrants, there is likely to be an overall increase in productivity and an increase in income for the average Barbadian.

    The more probable outcome however, is that the immigrants will sooner or later find out that there is no pressure on them to be innovative and entrepreneurial and to export goods and services. This is true for Caribbean and non- Caribbean immigrants. They very quickly realize that retailing, wholesaling, and the food industry can provide them with a good living. The existing Barbadian operators in these sectors will be replaced by the immigrants and the desired increases in the income for the Barbadians is not likely to have been achieved.

    The conclusion is that large-scale immigration is likely to result in a bigger economy as total income would increase but is unlikely to result in increased income for the average person. Additionally we would still have to deal with the environmental and social problems such as inadequate disposal of waste, inadequate housing, poor transportation, and declining access to quality health care.


  43. LIB
    If you discovered that you were standing in a ants’ nest and they were stinging the hell out of you, would you stop to count how many ants are there before you get rid of the problem? On second thought, I think you would check numbers first to see if you can tolerate them first and what is the benefits derived by the stings.Maybe they are injecting some needed energy into your body.


  44. StudentX

    That is an excellent post. You are definately not a DEM!


  45. But Scout, what if you were not feeling the stings and someone told you that you were being stung and that you were standing in an ant’s nest? Would you not look down to see if it were true?


  46. It is time that we Barbadians who support our Government’s intent on instituting a manage migration policy, come together in meetings of the minds to plan our responses, further educate ourselves on what is propose, why it is oppose, the agendas of those who oppose it, Unify our brothers and sisters and on why we must be prepared to demonstrate our resolve with our wallets, pockets, and cheque books. They are not the only ones who can plan we can too, and so we must.

  47. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian

    My apologies for not alerting you to my commentary on Brass Tacks (on the problems of legal migrants perhaps posing a bigger burden on Barbados than illegals), which I just made. Perhaps you can catch it later ๐Ÿ™‚ Otherwise, have a wonderful day.


  48. livinginbarbados // June 23, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Certain things are clear. Earlier in this thread, David argued that there is not one voice or opinion amongst journalists or politicians on this (or any matter): โ€œShould we assume that all the journalists at the Nation and VOB think as one on the issue of immigration?โ€ he wrote. There is also not jsut one voice or opinion more generally.
    ————————————————–
    Such assumption games has no value. In the absence of clearly publicize or even privately aired views to the contrary as to what their political party and leader, their editorial page and opinions says then their secretly held opinions also has no value. How can it be said that you have a voice if you do not speak up, out or against what is the clear opinion of those around you?

    …..When a Barbados Immigration or Custom officer is accuse of “roughing-up” a visitor to the island, does Analee Davis, or Raph Gonzalves, or Jagdeo, or Norman Girvan or Mia Mottley and others selectively redicule that officer or that department? No they include the Government the Prime Minister and indeed all Barbadians. If we are all guilty because we are all proud Bajans, then i see no reason to absolve those working in or are members of an institution who’s official statement via their leader, or their Editorial page makes known where their stand.

  49. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Hog squeal

    You can’t read too good.

    Read the conclusion in the last paragraph in the post by student X and you will see that he/she does not agree with you or the BLP and in fact is saying that these immigrants (usually the indians – my interpretation) will not increase exports but will engage in importing and buying and selling.

    In addition they will put pressure on our water,schools,garbage collection etc.

    Go back to school ho squeal and learn how to read and understand.


  50. @LIB

    Was it you that said to look at the Immigration issue from the aspect of Barbados not being prepared for the amounts of persons which they think they can accept and yet still cant? lol!

    If it was you, you are playing devils advocate! lol!

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