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Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley
Leader of the Opposition Barbados Labour Party Mia Mottley
Mr. Harold Hoyte is a founding member of the Nation Group and is President and Editor-in-Chief of The Nation Publishing Company in Barbados.
Harold Hoyte Editor Emeritus of The Nation Publishing Company
Lindsay Holder, former Chairman of the BAMC
Lindsay Holder is a former Chairman of the Barbados Agricultural Management Company Limited

Over the last couple years BU has articulated, we hope dispassionately, on the issue of the open immigration policy which was practiced by the previous government. At no time have we supported xenophobic behaviour or bigotry in the ensuing discourse. We have simply held a position that while Barbados should be committed to its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, it does not mean that our borders should be assaulted by all and sundry seeking the proverbial streets lined with gold at the expense of the vision which Barbadians have held-up for itself through the years. BU readers can do a search using the keyword โ€˜immigrationโ€™ to access the many blogs posted on this subject.

The conspiracy which has emerged across the region to spin a false position in response to Prime Minister David Thompsonโ€™s Ministerial Statement after he announced an amnesty for CARICOM nationals, has been blatant and symptomatic of a political and social immaturity.

Any interested observer of regional affairs would conclude that the issue of immigration is a topical one. Since the announcement by Thompson of the amnesty the issue has become accentuated. In the Advocate Newspaper of 14 June 2009 a Mr. Lindsay Holder was as clear as anyone can be in elucidating on the immigration issue which Barbados and the region is currently battling, he did so without the use of jargon, fuzzy logic, ideological or jingoistic biases. We highly commend the Advocate Newspaper for giving voice to this important issue which is being manipulated by politicians, academics, Fourth Estate and prominent and other influential persons in Barbados and across the region.

As the popular saying goes we will probably not agree with the many persons who submit articles to be published on BU, but we will always defend their right to be heard. In recent days BU in this vain would have published two submissions by George Braithwaite, a PhD Candidate in International Politics researching the topic of immigration in the region.

In the Sunday Sun of 14 June 2009 the headline Bad Rep, the Opposition Leader of Barbados Mia Mottley was highly critical of the Barbados governmentโ€™s new immigration policy. She suggested that Barbados isย  likely to suffer a backlash from some Caricom members as a result. The point which continues to elude Mottley is the fact that managing our borders is a matter of sovereignty and MUST not be dictated by those who themselves have done a muck-up job of managing their own countries.

Increasingly in recent weeks one of the characteristics which defines an American has beenย  been flickering in the minds of the BU household. The best definition we could find of what it meansย  to be an American is an unswerving support and devotion to our flag, our elected officials, our men and women in uniform. For others, patriotism means criticizing politicians when they take America in the wrong direction, protesting in the streetsโ€”sometimes even burning the flag. Patriotism also has complex ties to citizenship, race, and nationalism, as well as to the ways in which we remember our wars and the people who fought in them โ€“ University of Chicago.

Barbados for all that it has accomplished, and which has led to it being considered the island of opportunity in the region, has been allowing slowly but surely, a conspiracy by some to take root to undermine the Bajan success. The issue which Barbados faces is not honouring its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, but one of ensuring that it effectively manages the country in the way that it has successfully done in a post-independence era.ย  Many of the countries in the region who are crying foul of the new immigration policy i.e. Guyana and St. Vincent would do well to use Barbados as a model to their own revival of political and economic fortunes.

The two stakeholders in Barbados we are most disappointed are the Opposition Barbados Labour Party and the Fourth Estate. In the face of a regional conspiracy to undermine the reputation and goodwill of Barbados which was built under the astute management by successive governments, we have a situation now where for political expediency the government in waiting is safeguarding it legacy by confusing the illegal immigration problem faced by Barbados by masking its position in the known challenges of implementing a political and economic union. In another place BU used the analogy that if CARICOM/CSME were a regional company its profitability would hinge on an efficient implementation of aย  vertical integration strategy. CARICOM conversely has not done enough to strengthen and harmonize key institutions and procedures.

The Fourth Estate in Barbados has aided and abetted the vulnerable position which Barbados now finds itself by being unpatriotic in the positions is has taken, the Nation Newspapers and Voice of Barbados the main culprits. The media in Barbados has been generous in giving a voice to an anti-government sentiment concerning the immigration issue. The populist view in Barbados is a commonsense view that the previous governmentโ€™s position of allowing unskilled people whether from Guyana, Jamaica and elsewhere is untenable. Even the other ethnic groups from Europe and China have come under the microscope. Talk show host Dennis Johnson always uses the example that all are welcome to Barbados but it must be done under agreed terms. In other words if you are invited to someone’s home one still needs to knock on the door and remain seated in the sitting room before being invited to the bedroom. After all it is our home and respect and common courtesies are due!

The fact that our Fourth Estate in Barbados gives a generous voice to Rickey Singh, who continues to bite the hand which has fed him for so many years, and not give EQUAL voice to other views which represent ordinary Barbadians is disgusting. Bare in mind that Singh has not used his pen to expose the atrocities currently at play in Guyana.

The fact that the Fourth Estate ignores the hatchet job being done on the good reputation of Barbados by Singh, Saunders et al who are syndicated columnists and remain passive to respond is an indictment on their duty to accurately report the views of ordinary Barbadians who are its supporters.

The fact that the Guyanese media has been freely publishing articles which are unfairly critical of Barbadosโ€™ immigration policy with no response from the Barbados media except to cherry pick those opinions which support narrow political views is hypocrisy of a high level.

The fact that the media in Barbados continues to blackout reporting on the political and racial tensions in Guyana which have spurred an exodus of Guyanese to swarm the smaller Caribbean nations to the North is journalistic dishonesty.

The fact that the media has ignored the commonsense concern of ordinary Barbadians that learned behaviours derived in a Guyanese environment rifted with racial conflict may pose issues to the stable host population of Barbados is ignorant.

The fact that the Fourth Estate and the Opposition Party of Barbados led by Mia Mottley sit passively and allow Jagdeo to cherry pick the issue of immigration to undermine the earned good reputation of Barbados is unpatriotic. The known political and racial conflict in Guyana and the accommodation of unsavoury people like Roger Khan et al which have been left silent represent a betrayal of Barbados and a usurping of their core responsibilities.

The Chairmanship of CARICOM will be passed to Jagdeo in July, he will without a doubt use tit o promote his narrow interest.ย  It maybe the last straw which will break the backย  and or setback the regional initiative of CARICOM and the CSME.


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  1. See this is what i mean about fluff to bluff. George C Brathwaite wrote SOME TERMS CAN AND DO SEND WRONG MESSAGES: A CLARIFICATION ON โ€˜ILLEGAL MIGRANTSโ€™

    which was done to redefine or make null and void what our constitution which is still the supreme law of Barbados says about citizenship status and immigration. It is an attempt to have some treaty that the Government of the day signed on and that may be at odds with the constitution to take precident in our lives.

    Dennis Jones sought out George Brathwaite’s approval to post his comments on his blog, they were not submitted by George. I can only assumed that he agree with the contents before seeking this approval to post. Yet he is here willing to tell us that he does not support illegal immigration, when he may have agreed with George that such a label does not exist.

  2. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    Adrian

    “What is the utility in discussing global immigration within debates about illegal immigration in Barbados, while at the same time ignoring the details behind the positions for and against what is occuring locally? You have demonstrated your position time and time again. It starts with a dim view of Bajans, so your position on the BARBADOS IMMIGRATION debate and inspite of the fluff (global trends in immigration) could as well been arrived at by sticking your middle finger at us under the pretence of get sense of the winds of positions opposite to those of the pesky bajans.”

    We’ve had this discussion before, and a straw man is just that. You presume my position, which then makes it easy to try to dismiss my argument. So, let me say that ‘pesky bajans’ is your term. I take exception to things that do not make sense.

    My discussion is not about global immigration (and even if it were, then illegal immigration would be a subset).

    Illegals do not arrive in Barbados in spaceships or just on boats at dead of night at ports where no one pays attention. They mainly come through the legitimate ports of entry. From there, things go wrong. Some may give false information/have false documentation to secure access to the country: bad intent on one side, but also poor compliance system. For those who employ an ‘illegal’ it means that they conveniently turn a blind eye (and it happens at many levels). Some may give honest information, but then cannot be tracked if they overstay: Barbados is no different from most countries there, and an overstayer’s problem only comes when he/she tries to leave and it’s clear that the person has overstayed.

    The quest for data is to deal with such claims as are made about pressure on resources.

  3. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian

    Interesting point for David to reflect on, when seeking to widen debate by asking BLP supporters to post on BU, so as to balance the contributions of known DLP commentators.

    George’s writings are his own, but I also know that that is proprietory and it is just common curtesy to seek approval to post the material. If he refuses, so be it.

    What a to-do if you seek to widen discussion, but only for some!


  4. you said:
    My discussion of the immigration issue is not specific to Barbados, but applies universally.

    you also said:
    My discussion is not about global immigration (and even if it were, then illegal immigration would be a subset).

    Does not the universality of your non-Barbados specific immigration points makes your conversation global in nature?????

    @ David:
    I just emailed you George C Brathwaite’s 7 page response to Linsay Holders two articles. At your convenience please put it up so we can have a go at it. Interestingly he titled it “RED ALERT IN CARICOM” he wasn’t nice to Mr. Holder. Think of HOW a scared canine would bare his teeth in a last ditch to save it’s life by baring it’s teeth.

  5. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hopi

    “You never miss an opportunity to mention that you are an economist, so since you always bring it up [MY BAD. NOT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IS MY PROFESSION AND IT IS MEANT TO BE CONTEXT. BUT IF IT DETRACTS, THEN SO BE IT.]

    “Why is the world facing economic turmoil now and how will you solve it [BAD LENDING DECISIONS, BAD SUPERVISION, BAD PERSONAL AND CORPORATE DEBT MANAGEMENT. INSTITUTIONS THAT STAYED WITH GOOD PRACTICES HAVE TENDED TO BE LESS/NOT AFFECTED.] and how are you single-handedly aiding the Barbados, Jamaican and Guyanese economy right now?” [I AM NOT. I DO NOT WORK FOR OR WITH ANY GOVERNMENT. TO TRY SINGLE-HANDLEDLY TO AID ANY CARIBBEAN COUNTRY SEEMS A BIT CRAZY, ANYWAY.]

    โ€œFor me, the resolution of any problem of illegal immigrants is much less one that depends on them but depends more on those who support, need and use them.โ€

    Seems like you donโ€™t care that the problem of illegal immigrants is resolved one way or the other,neither do you care that there are illegal immigrants and how they affect Barbados as a whole,you just care about the affect their removal will have on those who depend on them? To sum it up you only care about the law-breakers! [NOT AT ALL. FOR COMPARISON: IT’S TOO EASY TO TARGET THOSE WHO ACCEPT BRIBES, AND DO NOTHING ABOUT THOSE WHO GIVE THEM. THAT’S NO SOLUTION.]

    โ€œThey could decide to help to regularise the status of illegal migrants because it is in their self interest to keep the services of these people.โ€

    The problem here is that of oneโ€™s โ€™self-interest.โ€™ Barbados did not get to the point where sheโ€™s at now because of the self-interest on one or a few! [I DID NOT SAY ONE OR A FEW. THE SELF INTEREST IS OF MANY. IT MUST BE SO IF YOU SAY THAT A COUNTRY OF 280,000 HAS 50-70,000 ILLEGALS LIVING AND WORKING THERE.]

    Should they regularise all illegal immigrants? And where will you put them? [THE PM’S STATEMENT SAYS THAT IF ILLEGALS REGULARISE THEIR STATUS THEY CAN STAY. SO, HE EITHER HOPES THAT THEY DO NOT REGULARISE OR HE FEELS THAT HE CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO DO. THAT’S WHY THE NUMBERS BECOME IMPORTANT.] Or should ALL just live live rats with the population bursting at the seams, resulting in societal disintegration


  6. Thanks Adrian, George emailed the document which we have not had a chance to read. Unfortunately he appears reluctant to join the debate on BU.


  7. Ok David:
    George is an academic or at least he behaves like one. by that I mean he doesn’t discuss or debate with lay people he tells us what we shoud do and how we should think lol! We got to give some credit to Dennis Jones for slugging it out with us lay-people from time to time. However I will never forgive him for his Anti Bajan comments but then again he is a Jamaican, so I should understand?. lol! my god that ascent! ha ha ha ha ha


  8. @LIB

    A point of clarification.

    Our interpretation is that the regularization process will determine the value the immigrant is making. The government we have to give credit would have scoped this issue in a way to adequate inform the recent policy. The PM has stated that he will come clean on this matter, the nation waits.


  9. @LIB………..You are a classic eg of an indoctrinated mind trying to spread your influence. As an economist you tend to think according to your ‘inducation’ as opposed to stepping out of that indoctrinated box and examining the real situation. None of the reasons you’ve given above about the downturn in the economy are real.

    So what do you do as an economist? Shouldn’t you be at the helm of the movement in the C’bean to help stabalise economies? What are you doing with all your expertise? Why would it be a bit crazy for you to aid the region?

    You did not say one or a few, neither did you say the many. You said ‘their’ self-interest. ‘Their’ being the lawbreaking employers/upholders.’ Are they in the majority that you would call them the ‘many’ and the ‘many’ is not equivalent to the ‘majority’ since the #s are in dispute. Out of that 50-70k how many are actually employed?

    How do you know what the PM ‘feels’ and ‘hopes?’


  10. @LIB……..Don’t Articles 46 para 3 & 47 para.1 of the 2001 revised Treaty give Bajans and David Thompson the right to protect & preserve Barbados from any and all economic and social (and other) hardships that maybe a result of this immigration influx?

  11. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David

    For those interested, I wanted to post Lindsay Holder’s article and also Peter Wickham’s pieces, but neither was available online (Advocate archives only that day’s paper online, and at last check the Wickham article still was not online). If you have managed to find a link, I’d be grateful if you could point me/us to it.

  12. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian and David

    First, I am not going to get into a debate about how you can think outside the box that your life has built. That is existentialism, and I’ll leave it to Jean-Paul Sartre.

    George’s work was sent to me by someone else, and I sought the author’s permission to post it. I have no idea if he was aware of my blog, but it’s his work to do with as he chooses. I also suggested that he seek a wider airing by approaching BU, BFP and the papers. He clearly did that, and might have done so without my suggestion. He now has to deal with these various forums. I guess, I due course, he will respond. He may want to reflect on the collective wisdom. That is also quite sensibible.

    I have a variety of pieces sent to me to review on a range of subjects and I will be deciding on posting them later today.

    I’m not sure where Adrian gets this ‘view’ of his about academics not discussing with lay people. I ‘slug it out’ because I was taught by academics to defend my positions.

    I will say again, however, do not make slighting personal remarks. I have a brain nurtured in the Caribbean and honed in the English system. If as a result of that I speak a certain way, what of it. If I were to write and speak in French or Russian would that make you feel better? Stop besmirching people, tending to let the discussions degenerate. Let’s deal with the substsance.

  13. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hopi

    No disagreement on what soveriegn governments can do. But, as I said before, the application of “right to protect & preserve Barbados from any and all economic and social (and other) hardships that maybe a result of this immigration influx” needs to be across the board. So, I look forward to hearing of, and seeing the consequences for, those enterprises, etc. who have been benefitting from the use of illegals.

  14. Mash up &buy back Avatar
    Mash up &buy back

    David

    Did you hear lindsay holder on down to brasstacks just now.

    Man he lick up foolish george brathwaite.

    Another haffa idiot called in and talking about educating the masses and investigating before you change to a policy of managed migration.

    Man some of these people too like to talk rubbish.

    I wish linsday holder will be invited on brasstacks again,perhaps on a sunday.

    Heard david ellis too yesterday,but he did not come across as being genuine at all.

    Up to last month he was singing a different tune.


  15. Yes we did some of it.

    Where has he been in all the debate so far?

  16. Mash up &buy back Avatar
    Mash up &buy back

    I don’t think any body – neither in government,nor in the media,nor the opposition politicians – believed that bajans would still be passionately discussing this immigration issue going on 3 years.

    I tell you owen arthur and the blp will never be forgiven,nor will VOB and the Nation newspaper.

  17. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hopi

    I read very carefully. My remarks referred to my ‘singlehandedly’…being a bit crazy (not to say a bit arrogant, too–I’m no Messiah).

    Pity you think the reasons for the economic problems are not real. I would love to hear your view on the causes.

    What do I do? After decades of trying to help other countries, I now enjoy time thinking about just raising my family, writing, occasionally teaching graduate studies to businessmen and government officials in the region. I also occasionally coach local children in Barbados soccer and tennis (for free). I basically, do things I want to. ๐Ÿ™‚


  18. When the Prime Minister indicated that he was prepared to offer amnesty to illegal Caribbean nationals,the cut off period he was considering was 2005.After a perusal of the immigration records for that period,it was decided that to extend amnesty from that period of time would have caused serious problems for Barbados and the amnesty will have little impact on the illegal immigration problem we are now encountering.The vast majority of illegal Caribbean immigrants came into Barbados during that period of time.

    The crux of the matter lies with the number of illegals and the implications for the peace,tranquility & cohesive society that Barbados was able to established in the post 1937 era.The White people in Barbados understand the need to free up some of the resources of this land so that the standard of life those White bastards have in Barbados could be maintained.They understand the wrath of Black Barbadians and the threat it poses to their lifestyle.

    This government was cognizant of the fact that expanding the amnesty to allow many non-black Caribbean people from Guyana especially to receive status in Barbados would have had some serious social implications for the island.I know for a fact and take it from Negroman that the contributions of many bloggers were taken into consideration when the new immigration policy was in its drafting stage.

    The social issues that are affecting Guyana,Trinidad & Tobago,Fiji,Mauritius & other countries where there is a a large influx of Indians were taken into consideration when drafting of the new immigration policy took place.

    The shifting demographics of Barbados were the primary focus in this new immigration policy.We Balck People in Barbados could tolerate and live with the few White bastards, the few rat catcher/mango seller Indians & Pakistani and I lump all those people from that region under that heading including the Syrians,Palestinians & the few Arabs we have in Barbados.We definitely are going to put a lid on the few Chinese in Barbados.Those other ethnic groups will never build up a large enough population in Black Barbados to threaten the status & progress that we Blacks have achieve in this island.

    This new immigration policy is a step in the direction to preserve the demographics of Black Barbados.
    Bharat Jagdeo,musty Norman Faria,funny man Peter Wickham,funny lady Mia Mottley,perverted Ralph Gonsalves,the idiot George Brathwaite and the rest will not derail this government intentions of limiting the amount of Indo-Guyanese miscreants in Black Barbados..

    Breaking news Charles Grant the nation photographer is alleged to have sexually molested a four (4) year old child.
    WELL,WELL,WELL .


  19. Roy Morris and now he! I hope this is not true!

  20. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David
    As I mentioned, the Advocate online is only archived for 24 hours, so the link you have in this story brings up today’s (Tuesday) paper. For furture reference, what works is to download the relevant page(s) as PDFs and then save and link to those. You may recall The Advocate explaining this policy some weeks ago as a safeguard against possible libel suits.


  21. @LIB

    See the BU library. We will update the blog link. Thanks for the feedback!


  22. @LIB
    I made my statement about Academics and then used you actions here as contrary to that view. You should be thanking me. I have always admired the various british acsents, even yours, and would listen to them for hours at a time, and the benefit I derived from them spans the spectrum of adoration to fits of laughter. lol! Please don’t talk to me about besmirching people, something you seem to have taken great pleasure in doing, unless you don’t see Bajans as people.

    I am transcribing the jpeg files of Lindsay Holder’s speech I will make them available to all. I am sure Lindsay would not mind since he said that bajans owe it to themselves to protect our interest.
    The advocate files are downloaded as jpegs not pdfs or did i miss something?


  23. jpegs can be converted to pdf (if you dident know)
    http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Business/MS_Office_Add-ins/JPG_to_PDF_Converter.html


  24. Guyana is 83000 square miles. Its population occupy less than 10% of theland space. The name Guyana mean “Land of Many Waters”. That is in relation to the massive sweet water rivers and streams that run through the rain forest. But Guyanese in the capital, less than 25 miles from the flow of the nearest mass of sweet water, do not see water running through their taps.

    Anything you put in the ground in Guyana grows and grows. There are very few things that many nations yearn for, that is not in Guyana.

    What puzzles me is the kind of dum dum reasoning that comes out of the mouths of those who heap criticism on Barbados for trying to keep the little it has, but ignore the indictable incompetence and corruption of Jagdeo and his regime for their inability to keep Guyanese home and satisfied on the plenty they have. That is why black people spent centuries in slavery. Because whenever brothers began to agitate for freedom, the house slaves would turn to them and lambaste them for being ungrateful.


  25. To BU, why do you allow such behaviour from Negroman?


  26. Get off negroman’s back.

    He is free like everyone else to make his point.

    If you don’t like his style,there is always BFP.

  27. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian

    I understood that you were not including me amongst the ‘academics’, but the view of them was still bewildering to me.

    I now feel fortified about my accent; the irony had escaped me.

    Being critical of people or things that are not up to the mark is not besmirching, and is very much in keeping with most of the BU threads, nationalities notwithstanding.


  28. @LIB:
    Just so you know. You and I can never friends of any sort or kind. I do not forgive or forget other islanders when they seek to pull down bajans unprovoked. You made your comments on your blog, and no bajan is given the chance to respond, but that is your right. I will let my hammer fall your way whenever, and however I see fit. Not all bajans can be ridden roughshod over, and some of us can be as vindictive as any other islander.


  29. @David:
    I don’t think it is misplace to say that we must keep our ear and eyes open. There is a lot at stake here. A lot of people’s fortunes are dependent on this silly march to allowing free movement to people who practice “apanjaat” and it is not unusual to think that persons who object as elequently as Linsay may be place in harms way. It is for this reason that I also join with you in holding aloft the yellow blue flag and rally and let him know that we are rallying around our Prime Minister.


  30. Thanks AH!


  31. This situation is a little confusing to me as it relates to the skills certificate.Do teachers fall under the 8 categories?

    On the other hand it shows that the Antiguan immigration and judicial authorities are no bleeding hearts and they are serious about managing their population.

    (Antigua Sun) โ€“ A young Guyanese mother of twin girls was ordered deported from Antigua last Friday after she pleaded guilty to remaining in the country after the expiration of a permit.

    Mishana Paul-Hodge of Lower Ottos appeared before Chief Magistrate Ivan Walters in the St. Johnโ€™s Magistratesโ€™ Court.
    Walters forfeited the fine, but granted the removal order for her to leave Antigua last Friday afternoon.

    Paul-Hodge arrived in Antigua on 8 August, 2008, and was given an entry permit to remain here until 9 September. On that day she presented herself to the Immigration Departmentโ€™s extension division and made application for an extension to remain in Antigua as the holder of a Skilled National Certificate. She was granted an extension from 9 September, 2008, to 8 February, 2009, a period of five months.

    The 29-year-old woman on 10 February, went to the Caribbean Single Market and Economy (CSME) Unit seeking to further extend her stay in the country. Paul-Hodge was advised by the CSME officer that her qualifications as a trained teacher did not fit any category signed on by any member-state, and that she was not eligible to receive any further extension. She was told that she would have to leave the country, but she failed to do so and did not return to the Immigration Department until 11 June. At that time she was told that she had committed an offence by remaining in the state without legal status and that she would be charged. Paul-Hodge declined to give a statement and she was arrested and charged.

    Attorney-at-law Steadroy โ€œCutieโ€ Benjamin said the woman came here with her twin daughters who hold Caricom Community passports. Benjamin told the court that Paul-Hodgeโ€™s children were granted time to remain in Antigua on 31 August, 2008, until 31 December, 2009, to attend the ACME Preschool. He said the twin girls came to Antigua to live with their grandmother.

    Check this link.

    David

  32. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Adrian
    I never asked for friendship. Again, a straw man.

    Why do you want to give people the impression that no Bajans are allowed to comment on my blog? Since when have you been privy to its administration? I have one restriction regarding comments, which is clearly stated, and that is I do not accept anonymous comments, and if comments include profanities, I take the editorial liberty to delete that. Anyone can comment as they wish, and I presume they do. I have no idea what nationality a person is from the comments offered. The same applies to this blog.

    While not so apparent in other comments, a cause cannot be progressed by wilful misrepresentation.


  33. @Anonymous,Some parts of the article are missing & it showcases that depending on the country one cannot just so easily receive a CSME certificate.It depends on the Caricom country in question as all the Caricom countries have not agreed to all aspects of CSME & only certain aspects.It also seems each country has its own interpretation of CSME.

    The one advantage that Barbados has over Antigua in getting rid of illegal immigrants however is that they cannot access the courts in order to delay their deportation,hence why it is easier for Barbados to deport anyone.The only thing that an illegal immigrant can do is appeal to an immigration officer or the Chief immigration officer as a final decision as only Permanent residents & Citizens can access the courts to appeal any immigration decision.In Antigua however,it seems even illegal immigrants can access the courts which can be used as a delay tactic.
    ———————————–
    http://www.antiguasunonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=247889:mother-of-twins-deported-to-guyana&catid=57:local&Itemid=54

    “He said she went to the Labour Department under the scheme established by Caribbean governments where she was told to go to the Immigration Department. According to Benjamin, Paul-Hodge was granted a five-month extension while her children were granted a month a piece while she processed their school papers. She eventually received one year extension for both girls.

    Paul-Hodge applied to the Ministry of Education and to other schools for a teaching job since she has been teaching for 10 years. He has five CXC subjects and a teacher training certificate from the Teacher Training College in Guyana.

    Benjamin admitted, though, that for her to obtain employment under the programme, the position must first be advertised and if no qualified Antiguan has applied to fill the vacancy, she is likely to get the job. The attorney called the immigration officers deceitful for bringing the woman to court since she told them she wanted to leave the country voluntarily. He said the officers declined to accept her offer and instead told her they would charge her and take her before the court to be deported.

    Tamika Camacho, who prosecuted the matter, reminded the court that Antigua and Barbuda has not signed the agreement for the free movement of teachers and nurses. Camacho also told the court that the Guyanese woman was working as a security guard knowing that she had no status in the country.”


  34. “A government is entitled to implement strong policies. These policies, however, must be applied consistently, fairly and humanely,” this is a statement attributed to Mia Motleyโ€™s in the Nation Newspaper on Sunday. She is further quoted as saying, “When people are asked to leave that they are given the time to pack up their belongings and leave in a manner that does not reduce them to feeling like criminals.”

    I am in complete agreement with the first part of her statement. However, the second part of her statement seems implies that the Barbados government is guilty of doing something untoward. I would like to remind her that if there is blame to go around it is her and other members of her administration that must take the lion share. One thing remains factual, Barbados NEEDS an immigration policy.

    However, this whole discourse has only shown how wholly incompetent and inept the Barbados leadership has been over the last two decades. No one in Barbados can say with any surety what kind of numbers we are talking about. We have to rely on the conjecture of Norman Faria, Bharrat Jagdeo and Ralph Gonsalves to tell us what is going on in our country. If this situation is not resolved by the current leadership, NO ONE FROM THE FORMER BLP or THIS CURRENT DLP administration should given the opportunity to represent Bajans again. This is truly an embarrassment.

    I would doubt that anyone can tell me the current population on the island, how ignorant then to speak to the demands on social services.


  35. Mike Ashby you feel that they dont know . A littel birdie tells me that they have an idea about how many are here!

    Read negro man’s comments you think that the leaders of this country dont know what they are up against! Please!


  36. @LIB………..Ya pushing it with this Messianic talk!

    “Pity you think the reasons for the economic problems are not real.” As an indoctrinated mind you too spew forth the same establishment crap that all the others of your ilk are too dumb to see. There is ONE & only ONE cause for this downturn in the world economies and that is the CONTRACTION of visible & invisible money/credit/from the market which resulted in the domino effect that you mentioned. That’s it and I am no trained economist. Why you can’t see that?

    BTW, remember that issue we had with your ‘friends’ the Feds well they are now trying to pass a bill to have the
    bastards audited.

    For decades you ‘tried’ to help other countries. Why weren’t you effective?
    And why did you choose Barbados as opposed to your home Jamaica. Do you love Barbados? Do you feel any loyalty or patriotic duty to Barbados? Would you lay down your life for Barbados should the occasion arise?


  37. @Hopi
    You know why I like you and Adrian? …no matter where you live, wanna navel strings buried bout here. Wanna clearly love Barbados and passionate about its future.
    Bush Tea is always intrigued by people like LIB who choose to come here; abandon the country of their birth, and proceed to tell us how we should run Barbados.

    One would think that their advice and expertise would be directed at improving the lot of their own countries…. but no – they turn their backs on home and family, and offer their talents to us instead.

    This place must be real special or something.

    Wuh even if Bush Tea lived in Antarctica, all I would care about is how Bim is doing and how I could help. …and when it comes to Antarctican politics and policies, Bush Tea would hush he mouth and let the ‘Antarcticans’ handle their own business…

    …but not ’bout here!

    Every Tom Dick and Harry -from all sort of ‘brek down’ places -insists on coming here to tell us how we should do things….. and the joke is that we does listen to them!!! How you think we likely to end up? Greeks bearing gifts…

    You hear what Mia saying now? “…that we better be nice to illegal immigrants otherwise outside people will be upset with us….” well la de la

    It seems unfair to me that we should take away LIB from Jamaica where he is so much needed!

    …and if we keep all those hard working Guyanese here, who will build up GT? Should we be so selfish?

    After they have had 6 months to see how a small country can work, should they not return home focused on taking the lessons learned to their family and friends????

    Bush Tea does just smile to myself. Cause I done know just when they will all return ‘home’.
    ….. when Bim is so brek down, that their real homes become attractive again!

    There are ‘patriots’ and there are ‘opportunist’…… let us not get too tied up…


  38. Negroman wrote:

    “This government was cognizant of the fact that expanding the amnesty to allow many non-black Caribbean people from Guyana especially to receive status in Barbados would have had some serious social implications for the island.(My comment is Negroman saying then that the Barbados government immigration policy is motivated by racism?)I know for a fact (My comment: Is Negroman telling us that he is privy to Cabinet discussions?) and take it from Negroman that the contributions of many bloggers were taken into consideration when the new immigration policy was in its drafting”


  39. If as the Scout says there are 70,000 illegal immigrants in Barbados and since there are only 150 working days between June 1st and December 31st, and if all 70.00 illegal immigrants turn themselves in to Immigration does everybody understand that the Immigration Department will have to process 467 applications per day EVERY DAY until December 31st.

    My questions:

    1. Does the Immigration Department have the staff to process 467 applications each day and still carry out its regular duties?

    2. And if we are to deport these illegal immigrants do we have the airlift to do so? Between LIAT and Caribbean Airways are there 467 empty seats available everyday from now until December 31?

    Final question: Did the government think this through?


  40. Is it not strange that all the VOB moderators with the possible exception of Pat Hoyos and Wendell Callender have jumped on the immigration bandwagon? Could it be that the Starcom management has instituted a policy change on this matter? Seems strange indeed when a few months ago at the smallest mention of the word immigration listeners eardrums had to suffer dead air when the producer went to work.


  41. @ J

    Scout is clueless!!

    He dismissed your 11+ theory, but posits a ‘windscreen survey’ based argument that implies that the number of illegal immigrants seen on buses, working as maids, on construction sites and in agriculture, and hanging out in town justifies the belief that there are 60 – 70,000 illegal immigrants in B’dos.

    Firstly, a foreign accent does not mean an illegal immigrant, unless you, Scout, are authorised by the Immigration Department to do spot checks for immigrant status.

    Secondly, the persons seen on the buses are the same ones heading to work in the stores in town, on the construction sites, as maids and in agriculture. So you are more than likely counting the same person more than once.

    Thirdly, it is a fact that immigrants (illegal or legal) whether in B’town, London, New York or Toronto are the main users of public transportation and for obvious reasons.

    Your theory however does raise some pertinent questions:

    Since there are so many on Transport Board buses, are they major contributors to the Board’s cash intake?

    If the illegal immigrants are truly out numbering the Bajans in town on Saturdays is it reasonable to conclude that they may also be spending more in these stores? Do they pay VAT?

    What/where are are these 60 – 70,000 illegals living? Are they living free of cost or paying rents to Bajans?

    How many of the 60 – 70,000 illegal immigrants actually qualify to remain?

    Despite their opposition to illegal immigration, the majority of posters here still support the government’s plan which in essence rewards illegal immigrants, which tells me that this issue is supported based purely on political alliance.

    Mass support does not mean a policy is right or good. Need I mention the Reich.


  42. All those Bajans living in USA or Canada or Britain or wherever should shut their damn mouts about whatever is happening in those countries because they ain’t from bout dey. At least according to Bush Tea.


  43. Bush tea admires people dat run AWAY from Barbados as people that “clearly love Barbados and passionate about its future” because they run dey mouts pun a blog but people who run TO Barbados don’t care about Barbados.


  44. Enuff/J
    The clean-up campaign has started, within a few weeks, my government would outlaw the rental of rooms, as has been the pattern in Barbados over the last 10 years or so. Therefore, this is the first step at routing the parasites out of their holes. Next, my government will move to charge anyone who employs illegals or who harbour illegals in any way. The penalty for this would be steep. There is more to come as the screws tighten. In the mean time if your documents are good, we welcome you into Barbados with open arms as we have been doing for many many years. Barbados will not become the dumping ground for refugees in the region.


  45. Do not divert the discussion on this BT issue because that’s not the point we are understanding him to make.

  46. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Hopi

    The contraction of credit (and cash money/visible money has not declined) is a consequence not a cause. It reverses bad decisions, namely lending to those who have who have borderline or bad credit ratings and should not have borrowed in the first place, and are clearly less likely to re-obtain credit even with inflated rates of interest.

    “For decades you โ€˜triedโ€™ to help other countries. Why werenโ€™t you effective? [WHO SAID I WAS INEFFECTIVE? BUT SUCCESS IS NOT GUARANTEED FOREVER.]
    And why did you choose Barbados as opposed to your home Jamaica. [I WAS INVITED AND ACCEPTED AND FOR THE SAKE OF FAMILY UNITY, I RESIGNED MY JOB] Do you love Barbados? [AFTER 2 YEARS, I REALLY LIKE THE PLACE AND ENCOURAGE VISITORS ALL THE TIME] Do you feel any loyalty or patriotic duty to Barbados? [TRICKY: I’M NOT A BARBADIAN CITIZEN AND MY PASSPORTS FORBID ME TO SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO OTHER COUNTRIES] Would you lay down your life for Barbados should the occasion arise? [DIFFICULT HYPOTHETICAL, THOUGH I WOULD SAY I WOULD DEFEND THE GROUND ON WHICH I STAND IF IT OR I WERE THREATENED.]

  47. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @David
    “Is it not strange that all the VOB moderators with the possible exception of Pat Hoyos and Wendell Callender have jumped on the immigration bandwagon? Could it be that the Starcom management has instituted a policy change on this matter? Seems strange indeed when a few months ago at the smallest mention of the word immigration listeners eardrums had to suffer dead air when the producer went to work.”

    Dennis Johnson can respond to that better. But what I have heard is more discussion of the topic on air, and that’s not surprising not least because of a change of government policy.

    But put another way, should a commercial station not be capable of moving with opinions or even seeing where its bottom line bread is buttered?


  48. @LIB

    Are we understanding you to say that a practicing Fourth Estate can be effective when carrying out its core purpose to report and inform based solely on a commercial model?


  49. David 17th june @ 6.14 a.m
    Were you referring to my comments? Well if you were, let me apologise for the divertion but I certainly don’t apologise for the remarks. Simply put, WE HAVE STARTED THE CLEAN UP OF ALL THESE UNWANTED IN BARBADOS. If Mia & Co don’t like it too bad but we stand ready to defend the sovereignty and security of Barbados

  50. Rumplestilskin Avatar
    Rumplestilskin

    Things are about to get somewhat rougher internationally. Watch the markets.

    The Government need to put additional measures in place to ease things for those laid off.

    The budget came and went. There was a suggestion on these blogs, that all final pay packages and layoff packages, in full, be tax exempt, at least for the coming year.

    Not dealt with. We KNOW that representatives of both the Government and Opposition read these blogs.

    These ‘ease’ measures are crucial to the survival and well being of employees feeling and bout to feel the pinch.

    Why were such issues not dealt with, or are we just window dressing?

    As I said, time is short, the latter part of this year will be horrid and we need special measures in place.

    What say you?

    Peace

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